I knew they couldn't ever adapt the true cosmic horror stuff of the ending but I really wished we saw Maturin, the turtle god instead of just easter eggs.
@@thedevilsrockstxr2309 I also don’t think they’re ALL bad. Billy Summers had one of my favorite endings in his books. I never got around to Doctor Sleep. Revival also had a good ending. But the stand. IT. Yea. Not good.
After the golden age of television, I do not understand why people insist on adapting King's work for the big screen. They need to do a complete job with a limited series. I hope Mike Flannagan tries with It someday.
The problem with both mini series and film endings is the fact that they don’t adhere to the book ending closely enough. In both screen adaptations there is no struggle in the macro-verse to explain the true nature of Pennywise. The ending in the book is so much better.
@@thedevilsrockstxr2309 I don’t have a problem with any of his endings. That’s my opinion, just like you have yours. Both the visual mediums strayed from the book ending, and they suffered because of it.
@101Waylander I agree. But as we can plainly see even if he didnt people would still be disappointed in it. I too do not have a huge problem with a lot of his endings. With him, I feel like it's one of those things where, after he gets a few books under his belt and people didn't like the ending. now it's like a thing. And every book from then on it's an uphill battle to have people like the ending And it mostly stems from people just not liking several endings before in earlier books, not even as much to do with whether the ending is actually good or not lol. Anyway all of that said IT is definitely my favorite of his books by a long shot. I for one liked the book so much that it didn't matter what kind of ending it had for me, My adoration for the story would have just forced my brain into liking any ending 😂
I thought they were adapting a part 3 that changes the “cosmic ending” and “the true nature of Pennywise” into a whole new way that makes sense, and the cast returns to finish it off for good? Like It doesn't die so much like The Thing spreads?
I think taking everything that worked about the films and making it into a tv show with more scenes from the novel could be the definitive adaptation. I love the feeling and tone of the newer films as well.
I’d like that, it would be cool if it could be with the same actors because I love the child actors in these movies, but they’re all grown up now so that sucks
The Ending of Stephen King's IT (1986) novel is so much better than that of the 1990s Miniseries and IT Chapter 2 (2019) adaptation. After the Losers Club kill IT, the worst storm in Maine history passes through Derry and the downtown area collapses because IT is Derry and Derry is IT. The two had always been connected from the beginning. When IT dies, so does the city of Derry. The Losers return home and gradually begin to forget IT, Derry, and each other (as well as Stan and Eddie). Mike's memory of the summer's events as children also begins to fade, as do the notes he had previously written down, and he considers starting a new life elsewhere. Ben and Beverly go together and become a couple and Richie returns to California. Bill is the last to leave Derry. *A bittersweet ending.*
I LOVE the two It movies, the kids did incredibly, the cast of the adults matched perfectly, Bill’s Pennywise is phenomenal! I think they did an incredible job adapting the unadoptable book
I really dislike the ending to It: Chapter 2 and how they killed Pennywise. I get the novelty of staying close to the source material, but considering that Stephen King was probably on a lot of drugs when he wrote it, I think some creative liberties can be made.
The ending of the film is nothing like the book. In the book they mortally wound It during a weird cosmic mind-meld thing, then chase It down and basically tear It apart with their bare hands. In the film they talk trash at Pennywise til he shrinks into a little midget and withers away.
@@owenmahan2854 I also LOVE the ending of It. I love the magical forgetting. The final line (which I'm about to butcher) is one of the most poignant things I've ever read: "It's in those moments before waking ... that he almost remembers his childhood, and the friends with whom he shared it."
Bro I love your videos so much. I started with the walking dead videos but you branching out and doing other topic is so FIRE. Keep up the good work chief.
Taking the slingshot away from Bev and turning her into a damsel in distress, and taking away the historian role from Mike and giving it to Ben, were two changes I found borderline offensive. I think giving the two minorities in the Losers Club such pivotal roles was important to the story, and without those aspects the characters are left with nothing important to do. Just because they took out the dam-building scene (which showcased Ben's architectural talents) they didn't need to change the other characters the way they did.
One thing I really dislike about It: Chapter 2 is Stanley's suicide. In the book and miniseries, him remembering "It" overwhelms him with so much terror that he would rather kill himself right then and there then go back. But in Chapter 2, Stanley takes the time to write letters to the Losers Club (you could even call them Suicide notes) before killing himself. Makes me not like him even more because in this version, he kills himself not caring what his wife would think or do, whereas in the book and miniseries, that wasn't going through his head because he was overwhelmed by fear. I just really don't like it, the only word I can think of for it is "slimy".
Agreed tbh. Biggest problem is that we don't learn of Stanley's suicide, or should I say "sacrifice", until the very end of the IT: Chapter 2 as well. The rest of the time and even then at the end it very much comes off as him just trying to justify his cowardice and him just wanting an excuse to not even help his friends to fight.
I mean you guys gotta be honest. . If it was real and u experienced it as a kid first hand . Youd be scared shitless everytime you went to use the bathroom or turn off your lights at night😂😂😂😂😂 . The trauma alone could terrorize someone for the rest of thier life have you guys ever seen a gang violence trauma or a broken household trauma with adults you were supposed to trust . Compared to it, a completely otherworldy being, his mere existence can have someone questioning thier own reality. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 . If anything stanly stronger than any one of us. for completely trying to ignore what happened and live a normal life. . The pure paranoia and dread of having to live 24 years straight questioning if thats really it or not when you hear a noise in the night or by yourself. Would literally kill some people from pure stress 😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@sunset1326 i'm confused. that's the first scene of the second movie, no? i haven't seen this movie since it came out. the letters were an odd choice though.
I used to think the ending of IT was unfilmable until I saw Annihilation. I think the way the shimmer was portrayed would be a dead-ringer for the deadlights!
Ive read the book 'It' so many times now it's almost a close friend and no adaptation was ever going to come close to the novel in my own opinion.... now having said that - I pretty much agree with everything you have highlighted here.... the movies are good... BUT the character development needed to be waaaaaaaaay more and i totally agree the jump scares were cheap.... The one thing i disagree on with your commentary though was the 'Rock War' a scene from the book that is one of my favourites and for some reason I kinda liked the way the director dealt with it.... almost like he threw up his hands and said I'll never be able to adapt the scene the way it was written so fuck it I'll have some fun with it and I feel it worked.... one Character I wanted to have a more important and drawn out death was Patrick Hockstetter, his death should have been way more like in the book... he is such a prick in the novel and the fridge scene was a missed opportunity
Great video! I grew up watching the original movie on vhs and was really nervous about the casting for pennwise. Bill Skarsgard was incredible! I'm glad he didn't do a Tim Curry impression and made it his own version. His facial movement, his lip curling and being able to move one eye, it all added to his awesome portrayal. Plus they nailed the casting in both part 1 and 2
It wasn't scary and went against the whole vibe of what pennyeise was supposed to appear to children. Bolls pennywise was merely a demonic looking clown that didnt adhere to the book like Tim Currys version did.
I didn't think the ending of the miniseries, or the 2 movies endings was terrible but Pennywise turning into a giant spider I don't mind it but that scene in the book OMG
It (2017) is a CLASSIC. The movie is so re watchable and it just gives YOUTHFUL SUMMER ADVENTURE VIBES I absolutely loved it from beginning to end. It Ch 2 (2019) is a tough watch. The movie is super long, the flashbacks are pretty annoying especially for scenes that we’ve seen before. I also understand that the kids aged in between movies but DID THEY REALLY HAVE TO CGI THEIR FACES. God they looked so smooth and weird in the flashbacks. It’s not that hard to just establish that some scenes took place months or a few years after the first movie. And I just found it hard to really get emotionally attached to the adult version of the characters considering the kid versions are fan favorites and they kept reminding us of them with all these damn flashbacks before we could get attached w the adults
I was someone who was super stoked when Chapter 1 was announced. I was following it religiously with the news breaks, drama, and outed information. The way the promotional images were being released of Pennywise/ Bill Skarsgard were amazing. It really felt like we were going to get a proper horror adaptation. I was hyped before and after seeing chapter 1, but in time I have found the films to be entertaining at best. This is due to the films not being truly haunting or different when it comes to the coming of age aspect. It felt very by the numbers and relied to much on typical tropes. I do still really enjoy Chapter one because the magic was there. It had tone, it had crude kids, and the cast was stellar. Not to mention the amazing prosthetics and costume for Pennywise. He truly looks badass and at times very menacing. Sadly, there was never a moment of feeling true creepiness or scared. Which is what I went in expectations. It doesn’t help that Chapter 2 followed in the same vein, but went a little to far in the repetitive scare story structure. Which truly hinders the overall experience as back to back viewing feels like a chore. If we had less of the repetitive structure and more time of living in the paranoia. These films could’ve truly meant something. Don’t tell me they are scared by having Pennywise always pop up in their face, instead utilize the presence and feeling of him being everywhere. If the kids/adults entered a room and never felt safe the horror would’ve really been there. Especially when you have a character that is almost god-like. With his abilities of shapeshifting, transportation, and ability to watch over them no matter what. Instead they are run of them modern horror films that just happen to be adapting Stephen King’s IT. The concept that makes sense is to not adapt the book, but rather tell new stories within the world of IT. Which is what the show seems to be doing. I feel like Pennywise could move away from being an adaptation to being an even greater icon of horror. Considering he follows in the same path as killers like Freddy Krueger. A conniving, jokey, creepy, and violent predator who stick ls to implementing fear before killing is enough to drive a franchise. As that has been proven dozens of times. This is also due to the fact of the performance being so damn amazing by Skarsgard, that it does leave the viewer wanting more after both films seemingly under utilize him to an extent.
100% Welcome To Derry will be about the blackspot murders. As much as I love the first film in the remake duology, Mike got the least amount of screen time, which is why i think they doubled down on his character in Chapter 2, but because we didnt really get to know much about him in Chapter One versus the other Losers, it created a kind of disconnect for his character, like he was an outsider in a group of outsiders. But, with the casting of the series and it being a prequel to the events of the films, I can almost guarantee it will focus on the Blackspot, maybe even the easter egg hunt mine explosion thing, and like the civil rights movement in Derry, so most likely mid 50s to mid 60s. Given that time frame though, I wonder if they will incorporate like easter eggs from Insomnia and 11/22/63.
Them forgetting their childhood made more sense in the book because as they regained memories the closer they get to Derry, we see that play out for the entire book in long flashbacks essentially. The mini series kind of did that, but the book literally jumps back and forth the entire time.
There is something royally wrong with this world that every time I come upon a review or video analyzing Stephen King's It, most comments are like: "Oh yeah, the turtle was cool," "But the spider..." "Loved Pennywise; so creepy" or "King is such a master of great cosmic terror," and I have to scroll 20 to 40 comments before I see anyone mention THE SCENE. Is this just a huge troll that everyone is in on but me? Apparently was I absent from school that day, since I get called a prude (or Karen, now) as no one else thinks it's disgusting, freakish and a sign of a deeply disturbed human being that Stephen King included a gratuitous and grossly erotic element that is irrelevant to the plot and theme... A scene wherein the only girl in the group gets her first period so decides to fully service her half a dozen tween male friends in order to find the will to... walk out of the sewers! They had already defeated Pennywise; there was no point to any of that $h!t, so all mental contortions King's defenders come up with are worthless. And the editors allowed it? And his fans just shrug it off; thousands upon thousands of reviewers don't mention it, and if they do, well, it's just a book, so what cares? Some of you guys really need Christ. Or Buddha. Or at least a therapist, pre DSM-V.
I read IT for the first time some 12 or 13 years ago and right now, whenever I see people talking about it (mostly on IG) I feel like they only talk about that scene. I almost forgot about it if it weren´t thrown around endlessly. Though I absolutely agree, it´s pretty needless, I guess he meant it as a rite of passage into adulthood or something, idk.
King was probably on a lot of drugs when writing that novel, and his editors let him pretty much do whatever he wanted writing-wise since he was so famous. The editors couldn't be bothered to even do a second pass/talk King through other alternatives than writing child porn in one of his novels, which is absolutely wild to me. A lot of weird shit was made in the 80's when it comes to children's sexuality and lack of consent.
I gave up on Stephen King a long time precisely because of his tendency to just do this kind of thing out of the left field. I dont understand why people just gloss over it. Like.... Is this actually normal? Not a big deal? What normal kids do or did?
I LOVE Chapter 1, always feel like thats my “It”movie while part 2 aside from the perfect cast, didn’t hit for me. So Long and they treat pennywise as like a comic book instead of a horror icon i guess lol
I read Stephen King fanatically as a teen and young adult. His character development in writing is SO good! When IT came out, it was a tv movie shown over nights, not all at one time. It kept me anxious to see what they would do next. Of course the effects and makeups aren't nearly what they are in the movies, but for what we had then, it was very good. I was a huge Tim Curry fan as our whole group of friends would go into the city to see Rocky Horror at least every other Friday at midnight. Love the RHPS! The casting was also very popular actors of the time. I love both of the movies and I do not care for the majority of King's books made into movies. Books like Christine, written from the car's POV, and Cujo, written from the dog's POV, just don't work onscreen for me. The only book that was better as a movie? Stand By Me from the short story The Body. The Shawshank Redemption, also from a short story, was a great movie mainly because of the brilliant casting. Loved your review. I tend to agree with you 95% of the time. ✌💖😃
Could’ve been cool if they like, have the Chapter 2 treatment to Chapter 1 Like Chapter 1 is 75% kids and 25% adults storyline and vice versa for Chapter 2 We likely wouldn’t have had the same stellar casting But many some of the fat in Chapter 2 could’ve been trimmed and reworked with the full context of the two films Def seems like a project to film back to back
i read the book after watching the movies because I absolutely loved the movies. At first I agreed with the kid flashbacks in part 2, but after reading the book, it is actually a pretty faithful adaptation. The majority of the book is a flashback for the kids that shows a lesson or has something that ties with the current situation the adults find themselves in. It was actually very confusing in the book, but the movie did a good job making it easy to understand by them needing to remember things to get a token. I've grown to like it.
No mention of how Stanley’s arc was reduced butchered in the newest adaptation? And how Beverly was portrayed as a “cool girl” instead of a nerd like she’s supposed to be?
Thank you for adding in the behind the scenes of Pennywise with the kids and is the same Beverly (Bevvie from the levy) and Richie from the ditchie in 11/22/63?
I wish the second movie hadn't glamourized suicide especially in the way it did. A fair amount of people with that ideation view themselves as a weak link or burden similar to the way Stan did. Instead of leaving it at him doing it just because he was so scared it was framed as him doing them a favor and wasn't looked at with a very negative lens if I recall right. If they took away the letter bit it would've been fine.
Well typically when people talk about horrific things that happen in IT, usually they refer to the ending of the book where the losers (as kids) get pretty NSFW in the sewers to find their way out.
Though most horror movies in general don’t usually scare me I admit it is tame in comparison to something like Sinister. I just enjoyed the story of IT cause I never really read the books to Kings stories (but after the movies I saw what happens in the book😶😶 and we’re not gonna talk about it.) so to experience at least the movie versions of the IT story was interesting and kinda cool for me. I loved the performance of Bill Skarsgård as Pennywise a lot. I also loved how that dance he does ended up in fortnite soon after as I believe a battle pass emote with similar music😂😂. I Couldn’t tell you if they sell the emote or not now cause I don’t play it anymore. Anyway I enjoyed the movies and rewatch them after a while if I’m not sure what to watch. Also hoping one day you cover one of the first horror movies and Duo I ever saw (in reverse order on accident but actually worked better IMO)“Grave Encounters” 🙌🙌🙌
I agree with your view on IT Chapter Two, too many flashbacks and it was not cool that they forgot everything!! it would be better that they go back to the town and the whole town under IT effect but only them and the town's kids can see the true horror and they do some sacrifices to save the kids!!! that would be 1000 times better plot The most insulting part was how they defeated Pennywise with bad words as rap insults and then they swam happily outside after one of them died 5 minutes ago. Really big fan of IT and IT 2 but the endings are horrible.
The story was INTENDED to be high school scary, THAT'S why they could defeat pennywise as adults, It can't become an adult fear, it can't become a late bill or a negative bank account. He feeds only on childhood fears, that's all he is, a carnival trick. That's why he's (primarily) a clown
I liked the ending of IT Chapter Two. It made the story end happier, and it solidified their friendship as the losers. It's probably one of my favorite Stephen King movie endings. I think my favorite is the Carrie TV movie ending, though.
Bill skarsgard was incredible. Pretty sure he didn’t let anyone see him in costume until their first scene with him. So each kid was even more scared when they get their first look.
Yeah it's probably best they didnt have the scene with Ben, Richie, Bill, Mike, and Stan running a train on Beverly in a sewer drain after just leaving Pennywise's lair.
I personally found the pennywise dancing scene in the sewer was unsettling, even if it wasn't scary. Pennywise is fucking with Beverly, he knows discomfort comes in many forms, and that scene definitely made me unsettled.
I've been reading the book since I was a kid. I was 5 in 1990, and the miniseries did scare me. I was extremely excited to see the new ones... but was let down. I enjoy them because they are this universe, but the movie didn't feel scary at all. Just felt whimsical and too much of a comedy.
I literally watched the first IT movie for the second time like 2 days ago lol. Last time i watched it was in 2017. Liked it a lot back then but during the recent rewatch i found it to be a ok movie. Didn't like the 2nd one tho even back when it released
@@Arcanelake98 Thanks. there are *so many* horror flicks with a female lead whose hair reach her shoulders, my first thought was literally "drag me off to hell isn't set in the dark" when watching that extract, and then I wondered which movie that came from.
i agree that the flashbacks in chapter two were mostly unnecessary but honestly the kid actors are just so good that i’ve never minded it or thought about it hahaha
I love Stephen King but I honestly think IT is one of his worse books. It’s not bad but I think it’s definitely not among his best. But I do love the Cosmic Horror stuff and I wish it came through more in the movies. I think Revival is also excellent and does cosmic horror really well
Some of my issues are the changes they made while others are just issues that any adaption of IT would face. Richie being gay would of been fine if it were set up in It 2017 but Bill lying about being sick and Stanley's suicide being used they way it was didn't work. I think the first half is better because as a kid there's a lot more to be scared of since the world is big and you have no idea what's out there as an adult your fears a different. I'm sure in 20 or 30 years when they adapt it again they might be able to do a closer version to the book.
Even if you don’t do a macro verse fight Like, imply it, show the kids as adults in a circle holding hands with their eyes rolled back and they’re chanting for the turtle god and then the kids can talk shit to pennywise with some excorcist kid voice effects to make it sound like they had the turtle speaking through them Idk, the book ending is insane but they really don’t do themselves any favors completely disregarding it Turned Pennywise into a goddamn Boggart man
In the book, as an act of idk I'm assuming king thought was motivating or something, all of the children have sex with the little girl of the group @@8macvar
My Mom and I, we’re huge horror fans, saw the first movie in theaters, and it was easily the best movie theater experience we’ve ever had! We saw the second one in theaters, and it was one of the worst. The AC was out and we live in Florida, so we were miserable for the over three hours. We did all get our money back, but it just made the movie, which we were not fans of, worse.
Damn and the movie is even longer than normal movies especially longer in terms of horror movies that must have been awful 😂 but it makes for a good story now
I was so disappointed we didn’t get a better adaptation of the dark tower T. T Maximum Overdrive is so funny though and I really like the first Children of the Corn movie. I think where they messed up was making several more adaptations of it lol
They need to make a show after welcome to Derry or a 3 part film adapts everything from the book (even the gross things) in part 1 the kid parts with adult scenes part 2 adult mainly with flashbacks to parts of the kids story that not important to the plot then part 3 being pennywise origin or a tv series that Lito like reading the book but as a tv show format with everything the films havnt added I hope in the welcome to Derry they use rewrite things we havnt seen for example Patrick’s backstory and leach death for characters in the show
The second half? But the book is told using past and present hand to hand. Doesnt it? Like there's no part 1 and 2 in the book. Like literally we learn about their childhood through flashbacks. That's why i like the old one. We meet the adults and the children from the beginning.
It’s hard to write a good ending when you main characters are just a group of friends with no actual weapons and the big bad guy is supposed to be an insanely powerful god like being that the human mind can’t even fully comprehend.
Idk i found these movies scary... totally doesn't have to deal with me being terrified of clowns or anything, i promise!! 🤭 Also yay a fellow New Englander! Lol i was born and raised in Maine, so it's always fun to see people be hyped about Maine in some way
I knew they couldn't ever adapt the true cosmic horror stuff of the ending but I really wished we saw Maturin, the turtle god instead of just easter eggs.
I do wish they showed Tom seeing IT in its true form and it literally like melting his brain. That would’ve been cool
@@Ungli2.0 For sure
@@thedevilsrockstxr2309 The Stand was a rough one. Quite possibly THE roughest with the ending
@@thedevilsrockstxr2309 I also don’t think they’re ALL bad. Billy Summers had one of my favorite endings in his books. I never got around to Doctor Sleep. Revival also had a good ending. But the stand. IT. Yea. Not good.
@thedevilsrockstxr2309 that's just complete fucking ignorance.
I dont dislike the book ending, even with it being a bit silly, but I definitely like it more than calling the monster mean things until it dies lol
neither ending would be preferable
a bit... silly? 🤨
That was me exactly! I walked out thinking “did I just watch an anti-bullying ad? But they bullied It to death¿” 😂😂😂😂
Pennywise didn't die tho. Only it's physical appearance "died".
@@TheSpaceJockey91Pennywise the Clown most definitely died, IT however can probably come back in any other form convenient to itself
Penny dancing In the end wasn’t scary but certainly was unsettling
After the golden age of television, I do not understand why people insist on adapting King's work for the big screen. They need to do a complete job with a limited series. I hope Mike Flannagan tries with It someday.
he's doing the dark tower
Good news for you. He's doing a limited series on Carrie.
The problem with both mini series and film endings is the fact that they don’t adhere to the book ending closely enough. In both screen adaptations there is no struggle in the macro-verse to explain the true nature of Pennywise. The ending in the book is so much better.
@@thedevilsrockstxr2309 I don’t have a problem with any of his endings. That’s my opinion, just like you have yours. Both the visual mediums strayed from the book ending, and they suffered because of it.
@101Waylander I agree. But as we can plainly see even if he didnt people would still be disappointed in it. I too do not have a huge problem with a lot of his endings. With him, I feel like it's one of those things where, after he gets a few books under his belt and people didn't like the ending. now it's like a thing. And every book from then on it's an uphill battle to have people like the ending And it mostly stems from people just not liking several endings before in earlier books, not even as much to do with whether the ending is actually good or not lol. Anyway all of that said IT is definitely my favorite of his books by a long shot. I for one liked the book so much that it didn't matter what kind of ending it had for me, My adoration for the story would have just forced my brain into liking any ending 😂
I thought they were adapting a part 3 that changes the “cosmic ending” and “the true nature of Pennywise” into a whole new way that makes sense, and the cast returns to finish it off for good? Like It doesn't die so much like The Thing spreads?
@@thedevilsrockstxr2309It's not common knowledge, it's an opinion.
I think taking everything that worked about the films and making it into a tv show with more scenes from the novel could be the definitive adaptation. I love the feeling and tone of the newer films as well.
There’s a theory that the upcoming Welcome to Derry is secretly going to be a re adaptation of the book
@@ericcartman7361but it’s a prequel how is that possible?
I’d like that, it would be cool if it could be with the same actors because I love the child actors in these movies, but they’re all grown up now so that sucks
The Ending of Stephen King's IT (1986) novel is so much better than that of the 1990s Miniseries and IT Chapter 2 (2019) adaptation.
After the Losers Club kill IT, the worst storm in Maine history passes through Derry and the downtown area collapses because IT is Derry and Derry is IT.
The two had always been connected from the beginning. When IT dies, so does the city of Derry.
The Losers return home and gradually begin to forget IT, Derry, and each other (as well as Stan and Eddie). Mike's memory of the summer's events as children also begins to fade, as do the notes he had previously written down, and he considers starting a new life elsewhere. Ben and Beverly go together and become a couple and Richie returns to California. Bill is the last to leave Derry.
*A bittersweet ending.*
let’s just not talk about what comes before that?..
I LOVE the two It movies, the kids did incredibly, the cast of the adults matched perfectly, Bill’s Pennywise is phenomenal! I think they did an incredible job adapting the unadoptable book
I really dislike the ending to It: Chapter 2 and how they killed Pennywise. I get the novelty of staying close to the source material, but considering that Stephen King was probably on a lot of drugs when he wrote it, I think some creative liberties can be made.
@@thedevilsrockstxr2309He can but you can keep telling yourself that.
The ending of the film is nothing like the book.
In the book they mortally wound It during a weird cosmic mind-meld thing, then chase It down and basically tear It apart with their bare hands.
In the film they talk trash at Pennywise til he shrinks into a little midget and withers away.
@@TonyB2279I have read the novel and the ending is weird but better than the films.
@@owenmahan2854 I also LOVE the ending of It. I love the magical forgetting. The final line (which I'm about to butcher) is one of the most poignant things I've ever read: "It's in those moments before waking ... that he almost remembers his childhood, and the friends with whom he shared it."
@@TonyB2279 The writing in IT is so beautiful. I remember the scene at the end where Bill and Audra ride Silver being so bittersweet.
IT and IT: Chapter Two are master classes in then-and-now casting
Bro I love your videos so much. I started with the walking dead videos but you branching out and doing other topic is so FIRE. Keep up the good work chief.
Taking the slingshot away from Bev and turning her into a damsel in distress, and taking away the historian role from Mike and giving it to Ben, were two changes I found borderline offensive. I think giving the two minorities in the Losers Club such pivotal roles was important to the story, and without those aspects the characters are left with nothing important to do. Just because they took out the dam-building scene (which showcased Ben's architectural talents) they didn't need to change the other characters the way they did.
Yeah, that pissed me off, tbh.
THANK YOU!!!!
I was pissed off about that, too. Especially Mike.
Seriously!! Big mess up with that change from book to movie.
I agree with the bev change but the historian role is kinda silly to be mad about
One thing I really dislike about It: Chapter 2 is Stanley's suicide. In the book and miniseries, him remembering "It" overwhelms him with so much terror that he would rather kill himself right then and there then go back. But in Chapter 2, Stanley takes the time to write letters to the Losers Club (you could even call them Suicide notes) before killing himself. Makes me not like him even more because in this version, he kills himself not caring what his wife would think or do, whereas in the book and miniseries, that wasn't going through his head because he was overwhelmed by fear. I just really don't like it, the only word I can think of for it is "slimy".
Agreed tbh. Biggest problem is that we don't learn of Stanley's suicide, or should I say "sacrifice", until the very end of the IT: Chapter 2 as well. The rest of the time and even then at the end it very much comes off as him just trying to justify his cowardice and him just wanting an excuse to not even help his friends to fight.
I mean you guys gotta be honest.
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If it was real and u experienced it as a kid first hand
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Youd be scared shitless everytime you went to use the bathroom or turn off your lights at night😂😂😂😂😂
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The trauma alone could terrorize someone for the rest of thier life have you guys ever seen a gang violence trauma or a broken household trauma with adults you were supposed to trust
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Compared to it, a completely otherworldy being, his mere existence can have someone questioning thier own reality. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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If anything stanly stronger than any one of us. for completely trying to ignore what happened and live a normal life.
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The pure paranoia and dread of having to live 24 years straight questioning if thats really it or not when you hear a noise in the night or by yourself. Would literally kill some people from pure stress 😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@jacksonpeck5290Exactly
@@jacksonpeck5290 That doesn't mean you should kill yourself I just think the framing of it was problematic
@@sunset1326 i'm confused. that's the first scene of the second movie, no? i haven't seen this movie since it came out. the letters were an odd choice though.
I love how he picks up Georgie’s actor! It’s so cute.
I used to think the ending of IT was unfilmable until I saw Annihilation. I think the way the shimmer was portrayed would be a dead-ringer for the deadlights!
1:45 *defeat the clown, save the town, and Mr.Krabs*
Ive read the book 'It' so many times now it's almost a close friend and no adaptation was ever going to come close to the novel in my own opinion.... now having said that - I pretty much agree with everything you have highlighted here.... the movies are good... BUT the character development needed to be waaaaaaaaay more and i totally agree the jump scares were cheap.... The one thing i disagree on with your commentary though was the 'Rock War' a scene from the book that is one of my favourites and for some reason I kinda liked the way the director dealt with it.... almost like he threw up his hands and said I'll never be able to adapt the scene the way it was written so fuck it I'll have some fun with it and I feel it worked.... one Character I wanted to have a more important and drawn out death was Patrick Hockstetter, his death should have been way more like in the book... he is such a prick in the novel and the fridge scene was a missed opportunity
Great video! I grew up watching the original movie on vhs and was really nervous about the casting for pennwise. Bill Skarsgard was incredible! I'm glad he didn't do a Tim Curry impression and made it his own version. His facial movement, his lip curling and being able to move one eye, it all added to his awesome portrayal. Plus they nailed the casting in both part 1 and 2
It wasn't scary and went against the whole vibe of what pennyeise was supposed to appear to children. Bolls pennywise was merely a demonic looking clown that didnt adhere to the book like Tim Currys version did.
@@murph8837Neither was Tim Curry scary
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@@williamdunn9000thrifty’s alt account?🤨🔎
@@치추이 Nope
Ehhh I was excited too, until I saw that it's mostly a channel where he reviews The Walking Dead episodes 90% of the time........for some reason.....
@@devinvaldesalice7427 Yeah but you should give them a try he makes a pretty boring show really interesting
I think you honestly deserve more recognition I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos. ❤
I didn't think the ending of the miniseries, or the 2 movies endings was terrible but Pennywise turning into a giant spider I don't mind it but that scene in the book OMG
YES! I say this on your poll, and I was sad that it didn’t win. I’m happy you you got around to it :)
I’m glad I’m not the only one astounded by all of the casting but Ben especially (talking about Chapter 2 but obv the kids are perfectly cast as well)
Just started reading the book IT a few days ago. Can’t wait for the video 👌🏻
It (2017) is a CLASSIC. The movie is so re watchable and it just gives YOUTHFUL SUMMER ADVENTURE VIBES I absolutely loved it from beginning to end.
It Ch 2 (2019) is a tough watch. The movie is super long, the flashbacks are pretty annoying especially for scenes that we’ve seen before. I also understand that the kids aged in between movies but DID THEY REALLY HAVE TO CGI THEIR FACES. God they looked so smooth and weird in the flashbacks. It’s not that hard to just establish that some scenes took place months or a few years after the first movie. And I just found it hard to really get emotionally attached to the adult version of the characters considering the kid versions are fan favorites and they kept reminding us of them with all these damn flashbacks before we could get attached w the adults
0:55 LMFAOOO I completely forgot about that. That was weird of Stephen to throw in. Glad it got the axe.
What happened
@@QuimbyFletcher69 The Loser's club runs a train on Beverly.
@@skeletalsaint4104 why 💀
@QuimbyFletcher69 lmaooo don't ask me, ask Stephen
1:24 is that the Dead of the Night round change music from BO4 ??
That Ritchie stepping up to Pennywise scene was epic. He crushed that “Now I gotta kill this Fucking Clown” line.
I am currently reading this book rn! I'm like 350 pages into the 1,150 page beast. I plan on rewatching the movies when I'm done with 'it'.
I see what you did there’s
Awesome analysis!! Hopefully, the prequel series is good :)
I was someone who was super stoked when Chapter 1 was announced. I was following it religiously with the news breaks, drama, and outed information. The way the promotional images were being released of Pennywise/ Bill Skarsgard were amazing. It really felt like we were going to get a proper horror adaptation. I was hyped before and after seeing chapter 1, but in time I have found the films to be entertaining at best. This is due to the films not being truly haunting or different when it comes to the coming of age aspect. It felt very by the numbers and relied to much on typical tropes. I do still really enjoy Chapter one because the magic was there. It had tone, it had crude kids, and the cast was stellar. Not to mention the amazing prosthetics and costume for Pennywise. He truly looks badass and at times very menacing. Sadly, there was never a moment of feeling true creepiness or scared. Which is what I went in expectations. It doesn’t help that Chapter 2 followed in the same vein, but went a little to far in the repetitive scare story structure. Which truly hinders the overall experience as back to back viewing feels like a chore. If we had less of the repetitive structure and more time of living in the paranoia. These films could’ve truly meant something. Don’t tell me they are scared by having Pennywise always pop up in their face, instead utilize the presence and feeling of him being everywhere. If the kids/adults entered a room and never felt safe the horror would’ve really been there. Especially when you have a character that is almost god-like. With his abilities of shapeshifting, transportation, and ability to watch over them no matter what. Instead they are run of them modern horror films that just happen to be adapting Stephen King’s IT.
The concept that makes sense is to not adapt the book, but rather tell new stories within the world of IT. Which is what the show seems to be doing. I feel like Pennywise could move away from being an adaptation to being an even greater icon of horror. Considering he follows in the same path as killers like Freddy Krueger. A conniving, jokey, creepy, and violent predator who stick ls to implementing fear before killing is enough to drive a franchise. As that has been proven dozens of times. This is also due to the fact of the performance being so damn amazing by Skarsgard, that it does leave the viewer wanting more after both films seemingly under utilize him to an extent.
100% Welcome To Derry will be about the blackspot murders. As much as I love the first film in the remake duology, Mike got the least amount of screen time, which is why i think they doubled down on his character in Chapter 2, but because we didnt really get to know much about him in Chapter One versus the other Losers, it created a kind of disconnect for his character, like he was an outsider in a group of outsiders. But, with the casting of the series and it being a prequel to the events of the films, I can almost guarantee it will focus on the Blackspot, maybe even the easter egg hunt mine explosion thing, and like the civil rights movement in Derry, so most likely mid 50s to mid 60s. Given that time frame though, I wonder if they will incorporate like easter eggs from Insomnia and 11/22/63.
Richie getting caught it the dead lights is the scariest scene in both movies in my opinion
Love to see more stephen king videos!
“happy ending” with the way richie and eddie ended is crazy lol
Them forgetting their childhood made more sense in the book because as they regained memories the closer they get to Derry, we see that play out for the entire book in long flashbacks essentially. The mini series kind of did that, but the book literally jumps back and forth the entire time.
Them forgetting about IT & Diary has always been apart of the IT lore
There is something royally wrong with this world that every time I come upon a review or video analyzing Stephen King's It, most comments are like: "Oh yeah, the turtle was cool," "But the spider..." "Loved Pennywise; so creepy" or "King is such a master of great cosmic terror," and I have to scroll 20 to 40 comments before I see anyone mention THE SCENE.
Is this just a huge troll that everyone is in on but me?
Apparently was I absent from school that day, since I get called a prude (or Karen, now) as no one else thinks it's disgusting, freakish and a sign of a deeply disturbed human being that Stephen King included a gratuitous and grossly erotic element that is irrelevant to the plot and theme...
A scene wherein the only girl in the group gets her first period so decides to fully service her half a dozen tween male friends in order to find the will to... walk out of the sewers! They had already defeated Pennywise; there was no point to any of that $h!t, so all mental contortions King's defenders come up with are worthless.
And the editors allowed it?
And his fans just shrug it off; thousands upon thousands of reviewers don't mention it, and if they do, well, it's just a book, so what cares?
Some of you guys really need Christ. Or Buddha. Or at least a therapist, pre DSM-V.
I read IT for the first time some 12 or 13 years ago and right now, whenever I see people talking about it (mostly on IG) I feel like they only talk about that scene. I almost forgot about it if it weren´t thrown around endlessly.
Though I absolutely agree, it´s pretty needless, I guess he meant it as a rite of passage into adulthood or something, idk.
King was probably on a lot of drugs when writing that novel, and his editors let him pretty much do whatever he wanted writing-wise since he was so famous. The editors couldn't be bothered to even do a second pass/talk King through other alternatives than writing child porn in one of his novels, which is absolutely wild to me. A lot of weird shit was made in the 80's when it comes to children's sexuality and lack of consent.
I gave up on Stephen King a long time precisely because of his tendency to just do this kind of thing out of the left field.
I dont understand why people just gloss over it. Like.... Is this actually normal? Not a big deal? What normal kids do or did?
I personally love both movies equally.
Same
I LOVE Chapter 1, always feel like thats my “It”movie while part 2 aside from the perfect cast, didn’t hit for me. So Long and they treat pennywise as like a comic book instead of a horror icon i guess lol
I read Stephen King fanatically as a teen and young adult. His character development in writing is SO good! When IT came out, it was a tv movie shown over nights, not all at one time. It kept me anxious to see what they would do next. Of course the effects and makeups aren't nearly what they are in the movies, but for what we had then, it was very good. I was a huge Tim Curry fan as our whole group of friends would go into the city to see Rocky Horror at least every other Friday at midnight. Love the RHPS! The casting was also very popular actors of the time. I love both of the movies and I do not care for the majority of King's books made into movies. Books like Christine, written from the car's POV, and Cujo, written from the dog's POV, just don't work onscreen for me. The only book that was better as a movie? Stand By Me from the short story The Body. The Shawshank Redemption, also from a short story, was a great movie mainly because of the brilliant casting. Loved your review. I tend to agree with you 95% of the time. ✌💖😃
Could’ve been cool if they like, have the Chapter 2 treatment to Chapter 1
Like Chapter 1 is 75% kids and 25% adults storyline and vice versa for Chapter 2
We likely wouldn’t have had the same stellar casting
But many some of the fat in Chapter 2 could’ve been trimmed and reworked with the full context of the two films
Def seems like a project to film back to back
Wish Beverly didn’t get taken in the movie! Also wish their journey through the sewers was as tumultuous and dreadful in the books as the movie.
i read the book after watching the movies because I absolutely loved the movies. At first I agreed with the kid flashbacks in part 2, but after reading the book, it is actually a pretty faithful adaptation. The majority of the book is a flashback for the kids that shows a lesson or has something that ties with the current situation the adults find themselves in. It was actually very confusing in the book, but the movie did a good job making it easy to understand by them needing to remember things to get a token. I've grown to like it.
No mention of how Stanley’s arc was reduced butchered in the newest adaptation? And how Beverly was portrayed as a “cool girl” instead of a nerd like she’s supposed to be?
Thank you for adding in the behind the scenes of Pennywise with the kids and is the same Beverly (Bevvie from the levy) and Richie from the ditchie in 11/22/63?
I wish the second movie hadn't glamourized suicide especially in the way it did. A fair amount of people with that ideation view themselves as a weak link or burden similar to the way Stan did. Instead of leaving it at him doing it just because he was so scared it was framed as him doing them a favor and wasn't looked at with a very negative lens if I recall right. If they took away the letter bit it would've been fine.
The first part was really good and the second part I am mostly trying to forget.
Can someone spoil me about what horrific scene he is talking about?
Yeah what’s going on
Well typically when people talk about horrific things that happen in IT, usually they refer to the ending of the book where the losers (as kids) get pretty NSFW in the sewers to find their way out.
To put it bluntly at the end of the loser clubs first defeat of penny wise they had an orgy. It is so stupid, weird and gross.
In the book, the kids' gang bang Beverly in the sewers.
In the book, the kids bang Beverly one by one in the sewers.
love the walking dead content but i enjoyed this too! Love IT. Good upload!
Part 1 was the first horror film I ever saw in theaters and I came to LOVE it, I couldn't wait for part 2
Though most horror movies in general don’t usually scare me I admit it is tame in comparison to something like Sinister. I just enjoyed the story of IT cause I never really read the books to Kings stories (but after the movies I saw what happens in the book😶😶 and we’re not gonna talk about it.) so to experience at least the movie versions of the IT story was interesting and kinda cool for me. I loved the performance of Bill Skarsgård as Pennywise a lot. I also loved how that dance he does ended up in fortnite soon after as I believe a battle pass emote with similar music😂😂.
I Couldn’t tell you if they sell the emote or not now cause I don’t play it anymore. Anyway I enjoyed the movies and rewatch them after a while if I’m not sure what to watch. Also hoping one day you cover one of the first horror movies and Duo I ever saw (in reverse order on accident but actually worked better IMO)“Grave Encounters” 🙌🙌🙌
He gonna return for Welcome to Derry!!!!
I agree with your view on IT Chapter Two, too many flashbacks and it was not cool that they forgot everything!! it would be better that they go back to the town and the whole town under IT effect but only them and the town's kids can see the true horror and they do some sacrifices to save the kids!!! that would be 1000 times better plot
The most insulting part was how they defeated Pennywise with bad words as rap insults and then they swam happily outside after one of them died 5 minutes ago.
Really big fan of IT and IT 2 but the endings are horrible.
Are you going to make a video about the dark series one day? 🤞🏽
The story was INTENDED to be high school scary, THAT'S why they could defeat pennywise as adults, It can't become an adult fear, it can't become a late bill or a negative bank account. He feeds only on childhood fears, that's all he is, a carnival trick. That's why he's (primarily) a clown
I liked the ending of IT Chapter Two. It made the story end happier, and it solidified their friendship as the losers. It's probably one of my favorite Stephen King movie endings.
I think my favorite is the Carrie TV movie ending, though.
Where’s part three of the zombies storyline
Bill skarsgard was incredible. Pretty sure he didn’t let anyone see him in costume until their first scene with him. So each kid was even more scared when they get their first look.
The goat is back
its just plain weird they shot that graphic scene of the drain scene but then whimp out on patrick's death
Off Topic but id like to see this guy make videos about Dexter (the show)
You should another video on lost ❤
Yeah it's probably best they didnt have the scene with Ben, Richie, Bill, Mike, and Stan running a train on Beverly in a sewer drain after just leaving Pennywise's lair.
What do you mean man
@@alangeorge4053you don't wanna know
@@timrosswood4259 do tell please
It was where I gave up on the book.
@@sirg-had8821truly mystifying that king thought it was necessary to add that
the fact that they announced that Bill Skarsgard is reprising the role 5 days after you posted this video 😭
I challenge you to do The Stand next.
I personally found the pennywise dancing scene in the sewer was unsettling, even if it wasn't scary. Pennywise is fucking with Beverly, he knows discomfort comes in many forms, and that scene definitely made me unsettled.
I've been reading the book since I was a kid. I was 5 in 1990, and the miniseries did scare me. I was extremely excited to see the new ones... but was let down. I enjoy them because they are this universe, but the movie didn't feel scary at all. Just felt whimsical and too much of a comedy.
I literally watched the first IT movie for the second time like 2 days ago lol. Last time i watched it was in 2017. Liked it a lot back then but during the recent rewatch i found it to be a ok movie.
Didn't like the 2nd one tho even back when it released
Does anyone knows which movie the extract at 10:12 is from? I feel like I saw that film before, but I can't put my fingers on it...
Super 8
@@Arcanelake98 Thanks. there are *so many* horror flicks with a female lead whose hair reach her shoulders, my first thought was literally "drag me off to hell isn't set in the dark" when watching that extract, and then I wondered which movie that came from.
18:05 what is the background music being played?
Love this video ❤
i agree that the flashbacks in chapter two were mostly unnecessary but honestly the kid actors are just so good that i’ve never minded it or thought about it hahaha
the flashback scenes > the getting use to the town i grew up in scenes ..
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I think it should have been a trilogy. It’s like making the Bible into a movie, u need some time
Love the way he uses cod zombies as his intro in every vid been watching for ever just figured it out now
I love Stephen King but I honestly think IT is one of his worse books. It’s not bad but I think it’s definitely not among his best. But I do love the Cosmic Horror stuff and I wish it came through more in the movies. I think Revival is also excellent and does cosmic horror really well
Some of my issues are the changes they made while others are just issues that any adaption of IT would face. Richie being gay would of been fine if it were set up in It 2017 but Bill lying about being sick and Stanley's suicide being used they way it was didn't work. I think the first half is better because as a kid there's a lot more to be scared of since the world is big and you have no idea what's out there as an adult your fears a different. I'm sure in 20 or 30 years when they adapt it again they might be able to do a closer version to the book.
great video
Even if you don’t do a macro verse fight
Like, imply it, show the kids as adults in a circle holding hands with their eyes rolled back and they’re chanting for the turtle god and then the kids can talk shit to pennywise with some excorcist kid voice effects to make it sound like they had the turtle speaking through them
Idk, the book ending is insane but they really don’t do themselves any favors completely disregarding it
Turned Pennywise into a goddamn Boggart man
Please do the series called “from” it’s made by some of the people who did lost and has one of the actors as the main lead
It was announced in may that bill will be back to play pennywise in welcome to derry! Thank the lord.
Hm.. really? I like the forgetting. It (haha) makes the town a character. Reminiscent of Silent Hill or the sadly cancelled Castle Rock.
11:27 what scene was he referring to??
I guess we'll never know
@@spiderfingers2113 ....i guess
In the book, as an act of idk I'm assuming king thought was motivating or something, all of the children have sex with the little girl of the group @@8macvar
It's A Rough One. There's a pretty explicit scene in the books between multiple of the kids...
My Mom and I, we’re huge horror fans, saw the first movie in theaters, and it was easily the best movie theater experience we’ve ever had! We saw the second one in theaters, and it was one of the worst. The AC was out and we live in Florida, so we were miserable for the over three hours. We did all get our money back, but it just made the movie, which we were not fans of, worse.
Damn and the movie is even longer than normal movies especially longer in terms of horror movies that must have been awful 😂 but it makes for a good story now
11:28 don’t remind me of it
Little update: Bill is coming back to play Pennywise in the series
I like how he acts scary but still cares about the kids
Some of his endings do go off the rails
I was so disappointed we didn’t get a better adaptation of the dark tower T. T Maximum Overdrive is so funny though and I really like the first Children of the Corn movie. I think where they messed up was making several more adaptations of it lol
Can someone tell me what THAT scene from the book is that he’s referring to?
They need to make a show after welcome to Derry or a 3 part film adapts everything from the book (even the gross things) in part 1 the kid parts with adult scenes part 2 adult mainly with flashbacks to parts of the kids story that not important to the plot then part 3 being pennywise origin or a tv series that Lito like reading the book but as a tv show format with everything the films havnt added I hope in the welcome to Derry they use rewrite things we havnt seen for example Patrick’s backstory and leach death for characters in the show
The second half? But the book is told using past and present hand to hand. Doesnt it? Like there's no part 1 and 2 in the book. Like literally we learn about their childhood through flashbacks. That's why i like the old one. We meet the adults and the children from the beginning.
Nice video yo
Andy is also directing the dcu Batman movie
Someone please explain to me what “THAT scene is”😂
The flashbacks are required, because the adult story unlike the kids story was truncated by not being movie 1
the take the L IT was such a insanely great scene for me it really gets the vibe
It’s hard to write a good ending when you main characters are just a group of friends with no actual weapons and the big bad guy is supposed to be an insanely powerful god like being that the human mind can’t even fully comprehend.
IT 2017 is perfect, IT chapter 2 well that was awful....Is it just me or is the adult portion of IT unadaptible?
Idk i found these movies scary... totally doesn't have to deal with me being terrified of clowns or anything, i promise!! 🤭
Also yay a fellow New Englander! Lol i was born and raised in Maine, so it's always fun to see people be hyped about Maine in some way