I was so mad when Santa turned out to be the villain, he gave a wonderful explanation as to why he didn't pick candy, the job is all about delivering presents to kids and someone who can't connect with kids is just wrong for the job. Why did they have to go for the cliche twist villain trope when he was doing so well?
@@jeffythesomething8772 yep, they probably realized that Santa’s reasoning was picture perfect, and knew they had to do something drastic in order to make Candy look right.
This is actually worse than the last of us part 2. That game never fucked up this bad because this one literally has it’s best saving grace right in front of itself.
Most likely because as an audience, we were expecting the series to be summed up with that speech and for Candy to learn a life lesson that would've progressed her as a character (as is expected in the Christmas specials this series was satirizing.) But, no. They just went: "Screw it", and went with the cliche ending BECAUSE it was unexpected (and Somehow that is supposed to be funny.)
That Santa scene is actually incredible. When Santa saw how she interacted with children, he realized that she didn't want the position to bring joy to the world, she wanted the position just so she could be the first female Santa. While Santa liked her and her ideas, he realized that she didn't have her heart in the right place and someone with that attitude towards the job and towards children could never be a worthy Santa that children around the globe would write to. Like how are you gonna be Santa if you don't even want to read the kid's letters? It's a shame that they missed this and made Santa out to be the villain. The show would've probably been much better if episode 6 was the last episode.
Yeah someone that has big ambitions just for the sake of ambition can only lead to disaster, it's not even somebody with good intentions that unintentionally hurt others, if someone just wants something to mark their name in the stars they'll do anything to achieve it no matter how many must be left behind or atrocities must be commited
Also her ego was just insufferable like she said behind the scenes wasn't good enough for her like she could of asked to be recognized for what she does and have a title and evan if that wasn't given she still forgot that there were good people who sometimes don't evan get noticed for there things
It’s kinda like Kamala Harris. Ran for the position just for the title, but doesn’t actually want to/know how to operate in that position. But hey, she’s a woman!
sarah silverman and seth rogan are jewish and *very* vocal about disliking christianity. im not sure why anyone expected even a modicum of positivity about the holiday in this terrible *terrible* series !!!
I actually agreed with Santa when he chose Devin as the next Santa Claus. Like, Candy is more of a person who just wants to get the work right. She didn't seem to care about the kids. She only cared about perfect delivery. And when she said "Fuck you" to Santa, I was like "Bruh, he has a point. You don't give a crap about children".
It couldve been like a Reagan and Brett situation. Both characters are polar opposites who compliment each others strengths. Brett’s a social butterfly who’s not entirely good with understand the way things work where as Reagan is the brains who knows how shit goes. Both compliment each other pretty well and episode 7 couldve had that moment where both can realize that they could work together and proved that they can work… But no, Santa’s Evil so that means she’s in the right. Like… get fucked. Not you, I meant the show.
Its a binary argument, all it is, is divisiveness for the sake of protecting their egos, meant to cover up the fact they're just utilizing political jargon as a means of becoming more relevant.
8:46 I'm so sick of shows that when a women is acting abusive to their boyfriend or husband it's played as a joke, but when the roles are reversed it's taken seriously Men can be abused and it's honestly disgusting that this type of normalisation on abuse cause the person who's reserving it is a guy, abusive relationships can happen to anyone regardless of gender and we shouldn't be downplaying and making jokes about it when the person receiving said abuse is a guy
I know what you mean. That's one of the reasons I hate characters in anime like Winry Rockbell in FMA. Chi Chi in Dragonball Z and Sakura in Naruto. Aldo why I was one of the IchiHime shippers in Bleach, cause I can;t STAND Rukia.
@@colleen4ever To be fair, while I understand where you're coming from, Chi Chi had a right to be pissed off especially since Goku was constantly either gone or putting his son in danger. Naruto when he was younger was a straight up pervert. Winry is probably the only valid one, but then again constantly breaking something that you put your heart and soul into is a bit frsutrating. Also most of these guys are superhuman so it's really downplayed. Doesn't make it right but it's not exactly the same.
@@totozhu4543 Ha, Winry cares more about her damn automail then anything else, even her friends! True, she may put her heart and soul into the automail but if Ed didn;t have it, he would have been KILLED multiple times! But noooo, just don;t dent the automail! God, would she rather Ed be killed but the automail stays intact?! You can build more automail, you can't build another person! And I just don't understand why Chi Chi never just left Goku if she was that unhappy in the marriage! And it wasn;t just Goku, she beat up her own FATHER one time with a broom for pete;s sake! And Sakura was beating Naruto even after he grew out of the pervert thing because he was having trouble bring back her precious Sasuke!
even worse because Santa factually backed up his point, she literally does not have the one qualifier, even if he is a douchebag after the fact that doesnt mean he was wrong. Even the worst of people get at least a few things right, they breathe air, drink water, eat food, etc and when his claims are factually substantiated you cant just have him be a douche later and then wipe that away.
@@robonator2945 Exactly. How do the writers of the show expect us to side with her when he lays out everything explicitly? Suddenly making him a villain doesn't negate the truth of the things he said earlier.
@@TSBJunkie Honestly this is a really common issue with shows; they have someone be the villian and do some bad things and just expect us to forget that no they actually have a very valid point. Like all things the "for the greater good" argument isn't a binary "you said it so you're wrong" thing and a lot of shows have the villains making very excellent points that no, seriously, they may be right this may be a necessary thing but shrug it off just because "oh well, they're the villain so it doesn't count". Sometimes it seems sort of intentional like we're not supposed to just assume the protagonists are actually the defacto good guys and there is nuance, but other times it just feels like the writers didn't bother to think about what the villains were actually fighting for long enough. (in hindsight, not just shows, I can think of movies, games, books, all sorts of crap that has this issue.)
@@robonator2945 This is why alot of fans gave credit to black panther's killmonger. T'Challa even after winning the right to be king and Black Panther, didn't dismiss the points his villian made. I also love his interactions with Zemo in cival war.
Absolutely vile.The fact the show actually had a chance to redeem itself only to completely drop the ball just proves that this is one of the worst holiday shows ever conceived.May it be forgotten and never spoken of again in the coming years.
It might be forgotten definitely. Remember that awful woke Cinderella film that premiered on Amazon Prime (which was said to be so bad even the Cult of Woke hated it)? Three months later, pretty much everyone has forgotten that film existed, that's how fast it aged like milk.
"Santa blows all these shipping companies away. He delivers more than 2 billion packages in 24 hours. He does it by sleigh. He doesn't use tracking numbers and doesn't use trucks. He just uses midgets and a giant bag" - Beff Jezos
@@DaveInSnitchel Santa's omnipotence can be quite creepy when you think about it (he sees you when you're sleeping and he knows when your awake or being "bad" or "good" so be good or else), the guy can travel at the speed of light to any location despite time zones and deliver presents to children (I wonder if he goes by an age range of who classifies as children) who may or may not celebrate it or know anything about it. Santa's reality bending physics are both interesting and terrifying since he only does it once a year.
@@PartyPlannerPreston Sad that people can very often only see how bullshit a double standard is because it doesn’t benefit them. It’s what modern feminism has become quite guilty of, but all of society did it in favour of men before that, for thousands of years longer. We’ve all been burned enough that we should know better
That was a really good explanation to why candy couldn't be the next Santa. It wasn't racist, it wasn't sexist, it wasn't condescending, it should be one of the best character changing moments in the show. But the moment candy said 'go fuck yourself' to Santa was the moment this show could never redemn itself
It could have redeemed itself, the simplistic petty "go fuck yourself" could've been a cold closing to the scene used to communicate that candy is still not getting it or something and will learn the hard way, y'know to go with the 10 million other clearly intentionally communicated character flaws including the primary reason of the discussion of not being good with kids. Where the show really fucks up is when they wasted all of that by making Santa actually "bad" in the most forced way possible. "Because anytime someone you antagonize gives you an answer you don't want that countless people more driven than you have to make do with, it must be because they're lying snakes!!!" Coming from Seth "AHUGH AHUGH AHUGH" Rogan and the muppets that made sausage party
I think it could have been saved, but not by THOSE writers. The moment Candy said f off and walked away, it could have been the starting point where the show began showing the environment not from Candy's perspective, but from a third person, objectively this time. Progressively we learn how Santa has been right all along, while we gradually see Candy becoming the villain, going down a path of ignorance and hate against all those who denied her dominance over the company, revealing how she doesn't care about making kids happy, but more about her gaining full control over the place and establishing her rules. It could be easily achievable, considering how toxic her character was shown to be since the begining... But I guess the people who run it sympathise more with her than they do with anyone else.
when the "Villain" is the only sane and reasonable character in the whole show you know you've made a mistake somewhere (in this case it's making the show at all)
the sad clown who let himself be convinced he was anything more than a court jester and also has major identity issues because hes buried in identity politics that tell him being jewish is the only good thing about him and hes jewish in ethnicity only with no sense of will to follow the actual faith thus giving him a constant need for external validation due to the collapse of the foundation of his self identity.
Santa’s reason on episode 6 moment really hit home with me. My sister always talks about how she wants a baby one day, but from what I’ve seen she hates being around kids. I try to explain to her how that there’s a difference between wanting a baby and wanting to be a mother, she said that she’ll learn eventually but ik she doesn’t have maternal instincts. Whenever we babysit our younger cousins she only wants to hold and play with the babies but when the actual responsibilities come to play (such as feeding, changing and bathing and helping them sleep and when they start crying) she leaves me to do the work. Once the babies turn to kids she starts to ignore them. I don’t think that she’s intentionally bad with kids it’s just like what Santa says “you either have it or you don’t.” She also is on the spectrum so I don’t blame her if it’s too overwhelming, it sometimes frustrates me when she says she wants a family but won’t work for it.
I hope she realises her biological children will have a super high chance of being autistic as well. And as an autistic person myself my parents can testify that I screamed constantly and needed more help and time reaching basic milestones than an NT baby.
Nuh uh, it's just proof that everyone is sexist and they only criticize the work of female creators because they hate women and they don't want to admit that a woman created an amazing show! jk lol
So that’s the second time Seth Rogen brought down a decent animation studio for a meh project. Hopefully this time the animators weren’t as screwed over with their paychecks. It’s stuff like this is why I’m scared for Ninja Turtles’ state after he’s done with them.
@@gabrielneri2820 Well for one, he’s not writing or directing that role, so if he does a decent performance, it will be mainly because of everyone else. Kind of like his role in Kung Fu Panda, which is pretty good and can get a good laugh.
The fact that Seth just assumed that only white people hate this show is ridiculous. I’m a POC and even though I haven’t watched the show, looking at this review convinced me to hate it
Show was starting to have good message honestly when he gave his reasoning why he picked the intern as his successor and not her but nope show throws it all away to show mmm men bad
@@Deadhead-kq4hr True, Santa showed ture pragmatism and empathy in that scene, like real leader. Then she just tells him to fuck off, just shows how much disdain the writers have for Christmas.
I actually think the premise is pretty interesting. But man, the execution is so bad lmao. Like damn Santa really gave Candy the BEST compromise and she just spat in his face. What a way to make your audience hate the protagonist
There were several parts I liked (Santa’s main option leaving for Amazon is kind of hilarious, when done right), and some cool premises. But then just really bad execution. Besides Santa, of course.
@@cian.o Because she wants the prestige and power of a job without any of the work or responsibility it entails. Which is actually pretty common among a lot of people.
Inside Job was a great show that did the “got overlooked for the promotion because of X” way better. The main character learns to work together instead of staying bitter.
@@dhnation4975 It definitely reeks of identity politics, but I like how they didn’t make the “straight white male bro” the antagonist like they did with this show. Also, I found it legitimately funny.
Reagan was the fully realized Candy. Not only was she an actual genius with ideas for incognito, but you can actually see her flaws as a person and how shitty it was when her boss didnt make her the head. And she actually felt devoted to that promotion rather than it just being something on a checklist for her
Monster University did it better. If you cant quite reach the spot you wanted because you're just missing a spark no amount of hard work will give you, that doesn't make you worthless and you can still find a compromise that'll make all parties happy.
I was kind of thinking the same thing. The way the characters are unlikeable feels weirdly deliberate. Like, the set-ups that make you end up hating the characters (like the bit with the baby shower) almost seem too villainizing to have been done by accident. What if they made this whole thing so rage-inducing so people would hate-watch it?
@@adventureinc.9769 "What if they made this whole thing so rage-inducing so people would hate-watch it?" You may be onto something there. I mean, The Emoji Movie made a million and a half in profit, and I imagine most of that was from people watching it ironically. Maybe the people who made Santa Inc saw that and went "Hey, maybe we ought to try the same thing!"
@@lightningpenguin8937 or they could be too afraid to say they don’t believe in it? Creating a half that people want to relate to, and a half that makes you ask “what is this”
I really appreciate this review a lot, especially because you look beyond just the politics of the show, which is what a lot of other critics tend to get hung up on, and focus on EVERYTHING that's wrong with the show: the humor, the writing, the characters etc.. I especially like how you point out the hypocrisy and double-standards of the show, particularly when it comes to male victims of sexual harassment and marital abuse.
Because "white man bad" essentially. The show only cares about putting out a woke message and demonizing anyone that could be seen as an obstacle to the narrative it wants to push
@@isaacvitela5131 , trust me. It is also money, because many politicians will say that they don’t care about the money and the people first, but in reality they don’t. They just want more for themselves and for us dummies who elected them to give them what we tried to earn. Edit: As George Carlin once said, “It’s a big club and you ain’t in it.”
Damn, a part of me died when he showed me what they actually did after that bench scene, how can you fuck that up? Like you almost made the show decent, with a good message.
@@jackpijjin4088 It is sad that they created an argument to be strawmanned and couldn't actually beat their own argument and instead of beating the argument chose to just make him evil so they can dismiss it instead.
@@jackpijjin4088 it's the same as when you ask someone a question and they say "IT'S NOT MY JOB TO EDUCATE YOU REEEE." They don't know how to back up their own opinions 💀
@@fluidwolf He’s not a straw man. A straw man is a misrepresentation of an opponent’s argument which is designed to sound bad. They straightforwardly portrayed why Santa didn’t choose Candy in a way that, if you pay close attention, had literally nothing to do with her gender or the identity politics of the show up to that point. Someone wrote that genuinely compelling and honest argument, and it is really hard to believe that someone else wasn’t in charge before or after since there is no rebuttal as to why she should be Santa after all.
Oh my god that scene about candy not liking kids is so damn close to being good, it makes such a good point, Santa first and foremost 'exists' to make kids happy, he's something they believe in and adore. For a second this show almost felt like it had heart and thought put into a scene... And then it fell apart horribly. Man that's a shame since I actually kinda like the animation style
Candy is like that one D&D player who tries to be the party face despite having a sh*t Charisma score. When they already have a perfectly good bard/sorcerer/warlock standing around.
The scene with Santa on the bench reminds me of a plot thread in the Artemis Fowl books. One of the protagonists is basically what amounts to the first female police officer, and the commander relentlessly calls out every little mistake she makes, and way more harsh to her than any of the male officers. And when she finally confronts him about it, he basically says "Yes. I am absolutely being harder on you because you are a woman. But that's only because everyone else is going to be judging you unfairly. I need to push you to be more than average, you have to be exceptional, otherwise they will never give other women the chance to do what you are doing." Except they didn't undercut it by having the female protagonist say "fuck you" and storm out anyway.
I miss when good writing involved developing and redeeming characters who are initially set up as unlikeable. Nowadays near every unlikeable character is our Protagonist, and development feels like their anti-matter. The few glimmers of hope like the bench speech are shot down like enemy fighters in hostile air space because of course, our MaRey Sue always has to be correct, right?
I mean, really? The santa as twist villian is what made it terrible? I feel like thats just what added a few more dumptrucks of shit to the Grandcanyon 78% full of shit already. The animation is nice, and thats about it.
The Santa's choice explanation ending seemed like it was someone"s original direction. But who ever had higher authority of production decided against it. So that's how we got the more shallow ending.
The problem is Seth Rogan tried way too hard to be progressive, and in doing so, he became offensive himself. He wasn’t telling a story, he was giving a political statement, and that’s the biggest problem here. There’s nothing wrong with having a message about racial diversity or inclusiveness, but you need to make it a good story with good characters first, and the message comes second. That way, the audience will be willing to follow the story, and thus would be more receptive to the message. If the message is all that your story has going for it, you risk alienating your audience, especially if not everyone wants a message shoved down their throat. Especially with Santa Inc. where they went really overboard with their message that they forgot to make the story compelling and their characters likeable. Everyone is either mean or abusive or both, and Candy, who we’re supposed to be rooting for, is an angry feminist who doesn’t care about making friends or who actually believes in her cause. She treats everyone like a means to an end at best or an enemy at worst, and that makes her unlikeable. That is exactly the wrong way to give the message, because if we can’t like anyone, we’ll have no desire to stick with them, and thus the message is lost. In order to give your message, you need to first give a good story with likeable characters.
The problem is, racial diversity and inclusiveness isn't what they promote. Santa is a white male so he cannot be Santa anymore. Why exclude white men from the job? Diversity and inclusion are white-exclusive terms. Whenever you promote "diversity" in anything, you do it at the expense of including Europeans.
Seth Rogan has been a jerk for most of his career, how this guy keeps failing upwards I will never know (or I do but I cant post the reason without youtube shadowbanning me)
You perfectly summed up the right way to handle representation. When writers don't actually care, or they focus more on being inclusive rather than the character themself, you often end up with a boring, rude, or sometimes offensive character as a result. The character still needs to be interesting. The audience should be able to sympathize with them. It doesn’t matter what race or gender the character is, if they're poorly written people aren't going to care about them.
Way late but take everything everywhere all at once. Great movie with a female lead who is powerful, and an equally powerful villain who I wont spoil. People loved it, so it has nothing to do with “people hating on diversity/women” as so many people today say. Totally agree with you
I liked the one santa special where they gave him immortality for being a genuine kind person that only wanted to make people smile. "Step one foot in front of the other people"
Man, I love that version of Santa; what a wonderful man. He somehow manages to turn a mean, hateful ice wizard into a loving and compassionate person just by showing him a tiny little token of kindness. Even that manages to warm my stone cold heart at times.
Your memories seem fuzzy... You might want to watch that special again. It's called Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town, and it's on RUclips... If that's what you mean
It's actally "The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus" where they question whether to give Santa immortality for his actions. It's similar to "Santa Claus is Comin to Town" and made by the same people years apart from each other, so I don't blame anyone confusing the two.
Oh come on, that scene where Santa explains why he doesn't choose Candy is AMAZING!!! My jaw was on the floor. I rewatched that part many times. But, yeah, the thing had to be fully disappointing or it would be a good show, but who wants those lately, huh?
And suddenly, for no reason at all, the children voted Santa into power. Props to Seth Rogen for teaching millions of innocent, random kids, there's people out in the world who want to just randomly ruin stuff for them.
14:32 And those 3 words were the fingers that pulled the trigger and killed whatever chance this thing had at either redemption, or pushing a good message. Any story, movie or tv show can be saved by even just the last scene and that final scene with Santa's monologue would've maybe, just maybe pulled this dumpster fire out of the flames and be given something much more special. But the second those 3 words were spoken, the entire project was shot into the grave... And no one showed up to the funeral.
Your take on this show was not only beautiful, but actually hit on EVERYTHING messed up and wrong with this show. Your reviews are actually awesome and Im so glad i stumbled on your channel the other day. been binging it and loving every bit of it. Keep up the fantastic content and thanks for all of your hard work yo.
Exactly. They want to "start a conversation", i.e get praised without any actual work or risk involved. It's _almost_ as if the people who made this are insanely privileged and don't know what real hardship looks like 🤔
@@plugshirt1762 Oh, that's NOTHING! I was gliding through the Starbucks drive through in my lamborghini and they raised the price of my favourite drink by TWO WHOLE DOLLARS! WHEN WILL THE SUFFERING ENDDDDDDDD
That speech Santa gave on the bench is like being the first person to regain soberness and watching all your friends stumble around drunk in their own filth.
Damn that speech Santa gave was really powerful. I don't think it would've fixed the show, but it might've added some merit to it. To bad the creators discounted an actually good message.
Hey Steve! I want to recommend 2 movies from my own country, Hungary: - Fehérlófia (Son of the white mare) made in 1981 - János vitéz (John the knight) made in 1973 (the first Hungarian animated movie) While I do not know if these movies have dubs, I'm 100% sure you can find them with subtitles
Honestly, the series probably could have saved itself by having the twist being that after rejecting Santa’s explanation, Candy would turn out to be the true villain of the series. Taking everything to the extreme and ruling everyone up so bad in the process that she effectively destroyed Christmas that year, and would justify ruining everyone’s holiday and the careers of Santa Inc. employees by saying “we can rebuild a new Christmas, better than ever” and then spout these ideas that make everyone feel uncomfortable because it wouldn’t even feel like Christmas with them. The. She says F*#k all of you, leaves the village and then Christmas was officially bought by Amazon, now being a true soulless conglomerate instead of the magical, love thy neighbor time of year it has been for centuries, and we all had to thank one little elf who focused so much on the bad she saw, that it was all she ever welcomed, and never saw the good in what was happening, because it didn’t involve her getting her way the way she wanted it. A super bummer ending indeed, but at least it would have stuck the landing on so many levels and at least be a decent satire and even cautionary tale on what’s practically happening now with Christmas and how people are acting, especially when trying to solve a problem they genuinely wanted to solve instead of transforming it into something else entirely. That’s just my opinion though. Please don’t treat me like Candy and the gang treats everyone on the show for this. 🥺 🙏🏻
You know, that great speech that they end up fucking up, about the role of Santa going to someone best deserving of it not based on competency with the other aspects of the role, but care towards children, was done PERFECTLY in Arthur Christmas. Like that movie showed the person realizing he wasnt deserving of the role of Santa that he wanted for years, and it was better suited for his brother, who went above and beyond just to get a little girl her bike for Christmas. Go watch Arthur Christmas to cleanse this series out of your palette. It's funnier and more compelling than Seth Rogen's excrement
7:36 I think we should take a second look at this, notice how they’re trying to say sexual harassment is bad by having a man do it, yet they’re fine with having a woman do it and have it as a joke. I personally think this is kind of rude, as if to say a woman can’t harass a man, a double standard in the show, just like the cookie abuse joke.
I think you're the first reviewer on RUclips that I've seen to have ACTUALLY WATCHED _all_ *8 episodes* of this crap-show before reviewing it. And I say this as someone who did not (and who happily has *no intentions* to *EVER)* watch this absolute _mess_ of a travesty. Most reviews I've seen of this show never even mention the "twist" from the Santa character, so I honestly had _no clue_ about this plot point. @ *Steve Reviews,* _this_ is what I like about you and your channel. When you review something, you GENUINELY give it a chance, no matter how bad it is, no matter what the "popular" opinion is about it. You judge things for YOURSELF. I am suddenly conscious of the fact that I am perhaps far too lenient in regards to what I am willing to overlook in other channels. While it was obvious from the get-go that _Santa, Inc._ was going to be "bad", I admit that I had no problems with watching other channels completely crap on the show WITHOUT actually providing any solid examples of _WHY_ they thought it was "bad" (beyond the crude jokes and stupid potty humor seen in the trailers). *Steve,* your review actually reminded me that, yes...this show IS _bad._ But it's _bad_ due to *FAR MORE* than what we saw in the trailers. As always, I am NEVER disappointed in an upload from you. ❤️
I'm okay with the people who just focused on the fallout and no real analysis because that's more than this show deserves, but I definitely appreciate the people who did the analysis as well. I mean, we're actually having mature conversations here and there are no trolls trying to destroy the reputation of the channel with thinly-veiled comments.
This is unironically one of the few shows that are actually "worse than you can imagine", for some reason I expected it to be a shitty generic family friendly animated film, which actually might be a slighty better than what we got.
Oh yes Seth Rogen. The man who will go after his detractors to ask if they're Jewish and if they're not he then proceeds to harass and Bully them. I wish I was joking.
That ending monologue in episode 6 made me wanna give it a chance but then they retconned all of it next episode so "Candy can shake up the patriarchy" SMH bruh
The thing that makes me the most sad is that people are going to associate stop motion movies with this now. Instead of the great work like Coraline, or even chicken run. That stuff had heart and passion. This is just dreck.
I wouldn't be too sure of that. "Food Fight" did not turn off the public from computer animated movies. If anything, all it did was reinforce the idea that CGI needed quality effort as much as any other medium. "Santa Inc." reinforces the notion that even a parody of a highly commercialized holiday requires good writing, characterization, and yes, an appreciation of the subject you want to mock.
Chicken Run, Wallace and Grommet, The Nightmare Before Christmas, The Fantastic Mr. Fox… stop motion is such a spectacular medium, and rest assured, my friend, this garbage heap will not taint its name. This show is a gnome stabbing at the toes of giants in that regard.
Offensive humor isn’t really my thing. However, the reason they can attempt to play it up for laughs when the power dynamic is in the woman’s favor is one of the basic rules of offensive comedy: punching up. The problem with this, however, is that it clashes severely with the message this show seems to want to tell. You can’t preach about equality when harassment is bad against this group but “funny” against another group.
@@spinosaurusstriker it is though. More precisely, “don’t punch down.” It’s more of a rule you don’t break rather than a rule to be followed. So punching up doesn’t HAVE to be in offensive comedy, but you’re not suppose to punch down.
@@System_Spark Right. Like, everyman making rich guy jokes can be funny, but a rich guy making jokes based on poverty is just going to come across as an asshole.
I think the worst part is the amount of work that clearly went into the models. Just looking a single frame of Santa it's clear that so much effort went into the design of the characters and it's a damn shame they got stuck making a show like this..
tbf, I think a decent counter argument could have been written, especially with his last point, to not make candy come off as an entitle bitch and really make what Santa says look even better. They could have just had her say something along the lines of "while appreciate the ability to implement my changes in the background i still feel like this a let down as i don't like a precedent of this guy just getting the spotlight and credit while somebody is stuck in the background doing all the work. I think people should have recognition for the work they do yada yada yada." the show would probable need other changes, and people may not agree with whatever counter argument they came up with, but it could have been interesting. I think the writers just had their heads so far up their own ass they didn't think they needed to actually write a counter cause they just assumed their audience would see what Santa was saying on the same level as " blacks had it better during slavery"
The fact that the show was good enough to have a legit reason why Santa didn't want Candy to get the job, only to do a complete 180 and just have Santa be a typical bad guy for generic story reasons is freaking baffling to me.
If you want another example of discrimination on a Christmas Themed movie, theres "The Grinch" with Jim Carrey, where the Grinch was heavily mocked by the Who in his childhood for his appearance. And that movie is actually hilarious.
Literally every form of trash media currently being released by commiewood, the Phony Biden Administration are CONSTANTLY preaching how us whites are the root of evil.
I lost interest in this show after 3 episodes because the characters were so bad (the settings were pretty though). The amount of swearing was also tiring. I also hated the constant men versus women of the show while the women are more violent than the men. (How can you complain about “the patriarchy” when you’re worse than the patriarchy?)
Yo, who doesn't like a good "Us vrs Them" mentality, but also that wouldn't make sense if he wants men to see these problems and help women. You're literally biting a hand that you want to feed you. I think really, he just wanted to appeal to women and get claps and yells like what happens on like the talkshows.
Almost every story about women empowerment makes every. Single. Male character the most sexist person around and it is looked as bad, which makes sense, but not when it’s with every single male character, and when it’s not doing that, it makes the female characters just as sexist as the male characters, if not more, and it’s considered completely Ok! It’s just wrong on so, so, so many levels. When a make a movie, or a show about female empowerment, please, for the love of literary anything, please don’t make every single male character sexist, it’s ok if there is at least 1 to 4 sexist male characters, but not more than that. And also, don’t make it ok for all the female characters to be sexist and get away with it just fine.
The thing is, when you read or watch most _good_ stories about female empowerment, you don’t even realize that’s what it is. Avatar the Last Airbender was fairly feminist, but like, that was just normal. No “but I’m a STRONG WOMAN!!” “omg you are girl!!”. Just women doing their own thing and being good at it and occasionally proving other people wrong, which is basically how it works in real life and I believe has more subconscious influence than just saying over and over “boys drool”, which is not even the point of feminism (true feminist want equality).
@@soniccookie655 I both wanna agree but ngl they had a ton of forced "girl power moral episodes" in ATLA. Especially in season 1. I mean that was Katara's whole arc to learn Water bending, and Sokka met a main love interest via it. Azula repeatedly states she pushes herself harder than any bender can because as a daughter and not a male heir she cannot inherit the throne so she compensates by being a daddy's little prodigy. The main difference is ATLA was at least driven by likable characters and people who when they learned something good once, the message was over and done with and left lasting narrative impact on their personality.
I've made some pretty bad content in the past, best thing you can do is own it and say "Yeah it was bad, we misread the room on what we thought was going to be good but we messed up. We'll try better next time." I think the team behind this show should've done that.
So basically Candy cusses Santa out after being given a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why she wasn’t picked as Santa Proceeds to leave someone for dead after accidentally hitting them with her car because they were being sexist And basically treats everyone around her like shit… We’re supposed to like this character?
Santa Inc makes Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer the Movie 1998 look like a masterpiece. I'd rather watch that flawed animated film rather than the bad Santa Inc series.
14:15 wow.... that line was actually amazing.... it doesn't redeem the rest of the show and if anything its a line way to good for a show this horrible. It also by comparison to the show it only highlights how awful this sjow was and only showed us how great it could of been. Whomever wrote that set of line should of wrote the rest of the show with that same energy tbch.
@@despinasgarden.4100 Exactly! Reagan's history and character development is, by far, the best thing "Inside Job" has going for it. While I was mostly disappointed by Part 1 of "Inside Job" (Aside from the finale, which was surprisingly good), I'd rather sit through all the episodes from Part 1 of "Inside Job" again than subject myself to even 5 minutes of this yuletide shit stain!
You know, before seeing this show, I had an addiction to oxygen and after seeing the clips in the video, I feel like I should be better than that and try to stop that addiction
Could have gone with 'Ms Claus takes over becsuse Santa got hurt' and he ends up retiring, since she knows what to do after hundreds of years of living with him. Have santa miss the days of actually *making* toys, and letting him pick that up as his hobby after centuries of spreading joy. But nope, we got this
They teased that idea with Year Without A Santa and yet no one has picked up that premise. But I love an idea where Ms. Claus is Belfana the Christmas witch of Italy.
Could have also gone with "Black Santa's Elf gets traded to Amazon and has to deal with the sweatshop-esque, cruel environment as opposed to Santa's shop," but no...
The worst part is, *it already did.* They portrayed the protagonist calling a stand-in for a black person their world’s equivalent of the n-word as being a positive thing.
I'm getting real sick of all this victim complex we whites have. We keep acting like we're some kind of victim to a great injustice, when in reality it's just some shitty ass movies and TV shows that we keep getting overly offended by. I mean if you want to turn it on its head there have been plenty of movie racist towards black people, and they've been way more damaging than whatever the hell this is.
It’s a shame it’s so bad, because the animation is really good. But that’s the only good thing about it. I have a soft spot for stop motion animation movies and tv shows, especially the rankin bass productions, so the lack of quality in this show is such a bummer. It’s almost sad to see that even children’s entertainment has a lot more heart, soul and maturity than most adult entertainment.
Modern Entertainment for the majority, sacrifices character for checklists and tokens. Thus getting rid of the heart. I always bring up 90s X-Men and 90s Batman ANIMATED. Storm wasn't a black woman, she was a kick ass super hero and amazing mother figure that just happened to be black. Jean Grey wasn't great because of her gender, but her power. And for 90s Batman I always point to ONE episode; "Girl's Night Out", I want to say it's called. Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy accidentally rob the same museum and bump into each other. Harley trips the alarm, and they both flee together with the prize they were after. Ivy wanted some rare seed, and Harley a jewel (if I remember correctly). The end scene is great. Poison Ivy gets on a Feminist Soap Box talking about how she's a criminal to prove women are just as capable as men at being super villains or some nonsense. TO WHICH Harley Quinn beautifully replies; "Yeah, I don't know about any of that, I just do this for the thrill, not as a huge statement." And that's why That character was awesome. A wholly invented character for the Animated Series. Back when women used their sex appeal as a disarming tool in their arsenal but also had great brains as well. Poison Ivy was a world renowned botanist, Quinn grade-A psychologist/psychiatrist, and so on. The only failure in 90s Animated was Jubilee, and that's because she was a gimmick first and never a character. She was an audience foil with a crappy power.
In fairness to Jubilee, she was almost literally just "Kitty Pryde for the 90s", being intended to be the naive young girl who was newly recruited to the X-Men, and never really had a chance to grow beyond that concept in the cartoon.
Exactly. As someone in the animation industry I've seen how incredibly difficult it is to have your ideas pitched and greenlit. Ideas that are original and creative with a pilot and plot that's genuine. Yet rubbish like this gets the greenlight, millions go down the drain and people involved waste their talent while real talent gets the cold shoulder for absolute political garbage that's masked as "comedy"
WHAT THE HELL???? I thought santas reasoning was fantastic, showing how candy got dragged into the very identity politics she hated so much. But I guess being self aware takes talent, something this show clearly lacks in. I kinda got a little upset at episode 7.
I was so mad when Santa turned out to be the villain, he gave a wonderful explanation as to why he didn't pick candy, the job is all about delivering presents to kids and someone who can't connect with kids is just wrong for the job. Why did they have to go for the cliche twist villain trope when he was doing so well?
Because candy can’t be wrong.
Oy vey toyim
@@jeffythesomething8772 yep, they probably realized that Santa’s reasoning was picture perfect, and knew they had to do something drastic in order to make Candy look right.
This is actually worse than the last of us part 2. That game never fucked up this bad because this one literally has it’s best saving grace right in front of itself.
Most likely because as an audience, we were expecting the series to be summed up with that speech and for Candy to learn a life lesson that would've progressed her as a character (as is expected in the Christmas specials this series was satirizing.)
But, no. They just went: "Screw it", and went with the cliche ending BECAUSE it was unexpected (and Somehow that is supposed to be funny.)
That Santa scene is actually incredible. When Santa saw how she interacted with children, he realized that she didn't want the position to bring joy to the world, she wanted the position just so she could be the first female Santa. While Santa liked her and her ideas, he realized that she didn't have her heart in the right place and someone with that attitude towards the job and towards children could never be a worthy Santa that children around the globe would write to. Like how are you gonna be Santa if you don't even want to read the kid's letters? It's a shame that they missed this and made Santa out to be the villain. The show would've probably been much better if episode 6 was the last episode.
Yeah someone that has big ambitions just for the sake of ambition can only lead to disaster, it's not even somebody with good intentions that unintentionally hurt others, if someone just wants something to mark their name in the stars they'll do anything to achieve it no matter how many must be left behind or atrocities must be commited
Also her ego was just insufferable like she said behind the scenes wasn't good enough for her like she could of asked to be recognized for what she does and have a title and evan if that wasn't given she still forgot that there were good people who sometimes don't evan get noticed for there things
It’s kinda like Kamala Harris. Ran for the position just for the title, but doesn’t actually want to/know how to operate in that position. But hey, she’s a woman!
Show was ass overall. Didn't watch it.
sarah silverman and seth rogan are jewish and *very* vocal about disliking christianity. im not sure why anyone expected even a modicum of positivity about the holiday in this terrible *terrible* series !!!
I actually agreed with Santa when he chose Devin as the next Santa Claus. Like, Candy is more of a person who just wants to get the work right. She didn't seem to care about the kids. She only cared about perfect delivery. And when she said "Fuck you" to Santa, I was like "Bruh, he has a point. You don't give a crap about children".
because Sarah Silverman herself is childless and has hatred for Christians and Christmas. This movie is an attempt to justify her.
@@silent_shout Something tells me those are not the reasons why the movie was so bad.
It couldve been like a Reagan and Brett situation. Both characters are polar opposites who compliment each others strengths. Brett’s a social butterfly who’s not entirely good with understand the way things work where as Reagan is the brains who knows how shit goes.
Both compliment each other pretty well and episode 7 couldve had that moment where both can realize that they could work together and proved that they can work…
But no, Santa’s Evil so that means she’s in the right.
Like… get fucked.
Not you, I meant the show.
@@silent_shout i didn't know she hated Christians
This is why i hate Kandy
Seth basically did the equivalent of a middle schooler saying “If you don’t agree you’re gay”
LOL that’s a good one CerealBox
To be honest, Seth acts like an over sized middle schooler who never had his ass kicked by real life properly
Lol true tho 👍
That's just Leftist Logic in general.
Its a binary argument, all it is, is divisiveness for the sake of protecting their egos, meant to cover up the fact they're just utilizing political jargon as a means of becoming more relevant.
8:46
I'm so sick of shows that when a women is acting abusive to their boyfriend or husband it's played as a joke, but when the roles are reversed it's taken seriously
Men can be abused and it's honestly disgusting that this type of normalisation on abuse cause the person who's reserving it is a guy, abusive relationships can happen to anyone regardless of gender and we shouldn't be downplaying and making jokes about it when the person receiving said abuse is a guy
another thing I'm also sick of in "adult" shows is the unhappy couple thing.
I know what you mean. That's one of the reasons I hate characters in anime like Winry Rockbell in FMA. Chi Chi in Dragonball Z and Sakura in Naruto. Aldo why I was one of the IchiHime shippers in Bleach, cause I can;t STAND Rukia.
@@colleen4ever To be fair, while I understand where you're coming from, Chi Chi had a right to be pissed off especially since Goku was constantly either gone or putting his son in danger. Naruto when he was younger was a straight up pervert. Winry is probably the only valid one, but then again constantly breaking something that you put your heart and soul into is a bit frsutrating. Also most of these guys are superhuman so it's really downplayed. Doesn't make it right but it's not exactly the same.
@@totozhu4543 Ha, Winry cares more about her damn automail then anything else, even her friends! True, she may put her heart and soul into the automail but if Ed didn;t have it, he would have been KILLED multiple times! But noooo, just don;t dent the automail! God, would she rather Ed be killed but the automail stays intact?! You can build more automail, you can't build another person!
And I just don't understand why Chi Chi never just left Goku if she was that unhappy in the marriage! And it wasn;t just Goku, she beat up her own FATHER one time with a broom for pete;s sake! And Sakura was beating Naruto even after he grew out of the pervert thing because he was having trouble bring back her precious Sasuke!
@@colleen4ever well okay then
Kind of depressing that after such a speech she still couldn't see past her ego. You're right Steve. So close to saving itself
Yeah it would only make the show 60% shit if she accepted her role
even worse because Santa factually backed up his point, she literally does not have the one qualifier, even if he is a douchebag after the fact that doesnt mean he was wrong. Even the worst of people get at least a few things right, they breathe air, drink water, eat food, etc and when his claims are factually substantiated you cant just have him be a douche later and then wipe that away.
@@robonator2945 Exactly. How do the writers of the show expect us to side with her when he lays out everything explicitly? Suddenly making him a villain doesn't negate the truth of the things he said earlier.
@@TSBJunkie Honestly this is a really common issue with shows; they have someone be the villian and do some bad things and just expect us to forget that no they actually have a very valid point. Like all things the "for the greater good" argument isn't a binary "you said it so you're wrong" thing and a lot of shows have the villains making very excellent points that no, seriously, they may be right this may be a necessary thing but shrug it off just because "oh well, they're the villain so it doesn't count". Sometimes it seems sort of intentional like we're not supposed to just assume the protagonists are actually the defacto good guys and there is nuance, but other times it just feels like the writers didn't bother to think about what the villains were actually fighting for long enough.
(in hindsight, not just shows, I can think of movies, games, books, all sorts of crap that has this issue.)
@@robonator2945 This is why alot of fans gave credit to black panther's killmonger. T'Challa even after winning the right to be king and Black Panther, didn't dismiss the points his villian made. I also love his interactions with Zemo in cival war.
Absolutely vile.The fact the show actually had a chance to redeem itself only to completely drop the ball just proves that this is one of the worst holiday shows ever conceived.May it be forgotten and never spoken of again in the coming years.
It might be forgotten definitely. Remember that awful woke Cinderella film that premiered on Amazon Prime (which was said to be so bad even the Cult of Woke hated it)? Three months later, pretty much everyone has forgotten that film existed, that's how fast it aged like milk.
No. This should be counted as a horrific historical event and put into history books to teach kids to never do this.
It'll be right next to Ghostbusters (2016)
Best ending of all time keep crying
They already confirmed a season 2... it's not going anywhere.
Santa: Don't let your ego get in the way, think about the children of the world
Candy: Nah I just wanted to be famous
That should have been the moment when Candy becomes the villain in a story that made sense but this aint one of them
Santa actually made some very good points, I still don't understand how they could pull him being a villain and expect us to go with it
The famous thing should've been written better
"Imma do my own thing"
"Santa blows all these shipping companies away. He delivers more than 2 billion packages in 24 hours. He does it by sleigh. He doesn't use tracking numbers and doesn't use trucks. He just uses midgets and a giant bag" - Beff Jezos
👌
I though it was six million presents in 4 years?
He just wants more money.
Super intelligence and speed confirmed?
@@DaveInSnitchel Santa's omnipotence can be quite creepy when you think about it (he sees you when you're sleeping and he knows when your awake or being "bad" or "good" so be good or else), the guy can travel at the speed of light to any location despite time zones and deliver presents to children (I wonder if he goes by an age range of who classifies as children) who may or may not celebrate it or know anything about it. Santa's reality bending physics are both interesting and terrifying since he only does it once a year.
You sacrificed your Christmas cheer to watch this trash for us. You sir are a hero.
a tragic hero.
Not all heroes wear capes
God bless him.
blessed comments
"I want them cargo shorts all over my body"
I'm sorry but it was funny by the way she said it
I can’t tell you how SICK I am of harassment and abuse jokes where the whole punchline is ‘it’s funny because a WOMAN is doing it’
For sure! It’s like a double standard
@@PartyPlannerPreston Sad that people can very often only see how bullshit a double standard is because it doesn’t benefit them. It’s what modern feminism has become quite guilty of, but all of society did it in favour of men before that, for thousands of years longer. We’ve all been burned enough that we should know better
The main reason why Gina is the only bad part about Brooklyn Nine Nine
That was a really good explanation to why candy couldn't be the next Santa. It wasn't racist, it wasn't sexist, it wasn't condescending, it should be one of the best character changing moments in the show. But the moment candy said 'go fuck yourself' to Santa was the moment this show could never redemn itself
It could have redeemed itself, the simplistic petty "go fuck yourself" could've been a cold closing to the scene used to communicate that candy is still not getting it or something and will learn the hard way, y'know to go with the 10 million other clearly intentionally communicated character flaws including the primary reason of the discussion of not being good with kids. Where the show really fucks up is when they wasted all of that by making Santa actually "bad" in the most forced way possible. "Because anytime someone you antagonize gives you an answer you don't want that countless people more driven than you have to make do with, it must be because they're lying snakes!!!" Coming from Seth "AHUGH AHUGH AHUGH" Rogan and the muppets that made sausage party
I think it could have been saved, but not by THOSE writers. The moment Candy said f off and walked away, it could have been the starting point where the show began showing the environment not from Candy's perspective, but from a third person, objectively this time. Progressively we learn how Santa has been right all along, while we gradually see Candy becoming the villain, going down a path of ignorance and hate against all those who denied her dominance over the company, revealing how she doesn't care about making kids happy, but more about her gaining full control over the place and establishing her rules. It could be easily achievable, considering how toxic her character was shown to be since the begining... But I guess the people who run it sympathise more with her than they do with anyone else.
Yeah, it's because she's Jewish and it would make zero sense.
@@outerspace7391Imagine if in the end Candy becaome The Grinch, someone who wants to steal Christmas because she wants it to be all about her.
Actually it’s affirming he’s making the right call. The problem was putting Santa into question afterwards.
when the "Villain" is the only sane and reasonable character in the whole show you know you've made a mistake somewhere (in this case it's making the show at all)
Still wondering who asked and who needed an R rated Christmas animated movie.
the sad clown who let himself be convinced he was anything more than a court jester and also has major identity issues because hes buried in identity politics that tell him being jewish is the only good thing about him and hes jewish in ethnicity only with no sense of will to follow the actual faith thus giving him a constant need for external validation due to the collapse of the foundation of his self identity.
@@mr.j7444 "bro that's like very antisemitic of you"
…when Bad Santa already exists!
A sicko I suppose 🤔
There are ways of creating a R rated Christmas movie that work
This was not one of them
Santa’s reason on episode 6 moment really hit home with me.
My sister always talks about how she wants a baby one day, but from what I’ve seen she hates being around kids. I try to explain to her how that there’s a difference between wanting a baby and wanting to be a mother, she said that she’ll learn eventually but ik she doesn’t have maternal instincts.
Whenever we babysit our younger cousins she only wants to hold and play with the babies but when the actual responsibilities come to play (such as feeding, changing and bathing and helping them sleep and when they start crying) she leaves me to do the work. Once the babies turn to kids she starts to ignore them.
I don’t think that she’s intentionally bad with kids it’s just like what Santa says “you either have it or you don’t.”
She also is on the spectrum so I don’t blame her if it’s too overwhelming, it sometimes frustrates me when she says she wants a family but won’t work for it.
Your sister won't be a good mother, and that's ok.
@roboticartist2793 That isn't okay.
@davenortonsepicprankchannel I mean, if she doesn't have kids it is.
I hope she realises her biological children will have a super high chance of being autistic as well. And as an autistic person myself my parents can testify that I screamed constantly and needed more help and time reaching basic milestones than an NT baby.
I'm glad that the creator is a woman, inspiration and proof that anyone can make tasteless and unfocused shit.
And let's admit that she is a hypocrite as she thinks it's funny when women sexually harass men or having a woman be the abusive one in a relationship
Lol
@@williampulfer-melville8536 that’s the left alright
Nuh uh, it's just proof that everyone is sexist and they only criticize the work of female creators because they hate women and they don't want to admit that a woman created an amazing show!
jk lol
Finally, some actual inclusive rep-proving that anyone, no matter what gender, or ethnicity, or race, can always choose to be an unredeemable asshole
So that’s the second time Seth Rogen brought down a decent animation studio for a meh project. Hopefully this time the animators weren’t as screwed over with their paychecks. It’s stuff like this is why I’m scared for Ninja Turtles’ state after he’s done with them.
wonder how his Donkey Kong performence will be...
@@gabrielneri2820 like shit.
Hopefully their animators don’t get blacklisted from the industry like what happened to those working on Sausage Party
@@gabrielneri2820 Well for one, he’s not writing or directing that role, so if he does a decent performance, it will be mainly because of everyone else. Kind of like his role in Kung Fu Panda, which is pretty good and can get a good laugh.
Seth Rogen has seriously lost my respect, at this point.
The fact that Seth just assumed that only white people hate this show is ridiculous. I’m a POC and even though I haven’t watched the show, looking at this review convinced me to hate it
Show was starting to have good message honestly when he gave his reasoning why he picked the intern as his successor and not her but nope show throws it all away to show mmm men bad
Yup
@@Deadhead-kq4hr True, Santa showed ture pragmatism and empathy in that scene, like real leader.
Then she just tells him to fuck off, just shows how much disdain the writers have for Christmas.
Seth probably now thinks you aren't "truly black" because you disliked the show. :howitbe:
@@blade8741 I’m not black but he would think of something like that
I actually think the premise is pretty interesting. But man, the execution is so bad lmao. Like damn Santa really gave Candy the BEST compromise and she just spat in his face. What a way to make your audience hate the protagonist
There were several parts I liked (Santa’s main option leaving for Amazon is kind of hilarious, when done right), and some cool premises. But then just really bad execution. Besides Santa, of course.
Why would she want to be Santa if she's bad with kids?
@pain At the risk of playing Devil’s Advocate . . .
As far as Candy was concerned, Santa was being a hypocrite.
@@cian.o
Because she wants the prestige and power of a job without any of the work or responsibility it entails.
Which is actually pretty common among a lot of people.
@@libertatemadvocatus1797 And you know if they played that angle that would've been fine.
Inside Job was a great show that did the “got overlooked for the promotion because of X” way better. The main character learns to work together instead of staying bitter.
I would argue that show is even more hypocritical but that's just me.
@@dhnation4975 It definitely reeks of identity politics, but I like how they didn’t make the “straight white male bro” the antagonist like they did with this show. Also, I found it legitimately funny.
Also she didn't want the job because she was a women she wants it because she a genius
Reagan was the fully realized Candy. Not only was she an actual genius with ideas for incognito, but you can actually see her flaws as a person and how shitty it was when her boss didnt make her the head. And she actually felt devoted to that promotion rather than it just being something on a checklist for her
@@retrolightning2k86 Exactly! Reagan is actually a good flawed character.
That really sucks. That santa speech was amazing and is such a hard lesson so many people need to learn
And they fucked it up
Monster University did it better.
If you cant quite reach the spot you wanted because you're just missing a spark no amount of hard work will give you, that doesn't make you worthless and you can still find a compromise that'll make all parties happy.
@@DeepEye1994yeah but in this case what being Santa really means
I'm still not convinced this whole thing isn't a parody. They really can't be this bad by being serious...can they?
I was kind of thinking the same thing. The way the characters are unlikeable feels weirdly deliberate. Like, the set-ups that make you end up hating the characters (like the bit with the baby shower) almost seem too villainizing to have been done by accident. What if they made this whole thing so rage-inducing so people would hate-watch it?
@@adventureinc.9769 "What if they made this whole thing so rage-inducing so people would hate-watch it?" You may be onto something there. I mean, The Emoji Movie made a million and a half in profit, and I imagine most of that was from people watching it ironically. Maybe the people who made Santa Inc saw that and went "Hey, maybe we ought to try the same thing!"
Nah, it feels to genuine to be fake. They somewhat believe in what they made.
@@lightningpenguin8937 or they could be too afraid to say they don’t believe in it? Creating a half that people want to relate to, and a half that makes you ask “what is this”
Unfortunately, Seth Rogan has been like this for years, like before he made that Superbowl commercial with Amy Schumer talking about the wage gap.
I really appreciate this review a lot, especially because you look beyond just the politics of the show, which is what a lot of other critics tend to get hung up on, and focus on EVERYTHING that's wrong with the show: the humor, the writing, the characters etc.. I especially like how you point out the hypocrisy and double-standards of the show, particularly when it comes to male victims of sexual harassment and marital abuse.
Damn, Santa's explanation actually had me on the edge of my seat. Why the fuck did they ruin it?
Politics and money.
Because "white man bad" essentially. The show only cares about putting out a woke message and demonizing anyone that could be seen as an obstacle to the narrative it wants to push
@@osmanyousif7849 mostly politics
@@isaacvitela5131 , trust me. It is also money, because many politicians will say that they don’t care about the money and the people first, but in reality they don’t. They just want more for themselves and for us dummies who elected them to give them what we tried to earn.
Edit: As George Carlin once said, “It’s a big club and you ain’t in it.”
Damn, a part of me died when he showed me what they actually did after that bench scene, how can you fuck that up? Like you almost made the show decent, with a good message.
What makes it worse is that the counter was just... "fuk u"
They *know* the speech was right and had no rebuttal.
@@jackpijjin4088 It is sad that they created an argument to be strawmanned and couldn't actually beat their own argument and instead of beating the argument chose to just make him evil so they can dismiss it instead.
@@jackpijjin4088 it's the same as when you ask someone a question and they say "IT'S NOT MY JOB TO EDUCATE YOU REEEE." They don't know how to back up their own opinions 💀
@@fluidwolf He’s not a straw man. A straw man is a misrepresentation of an opponent’s argument which is designed to sound bad. They straightforwardly portrayed why Santa didn’t choose Candy in a way that, if you pay close attention, had literally nothing to do with her gender or the identity politics of the show up to that point. Someone wrote that genuinely compelling and honest argument, and it is really hard to believe that someone else wasn’t in charge before or after since there is no rebuttal as to why she should be Santa after all.
Oh my god that scene about candy not liking kids is so damn close to being good, it makes such a good point, Santa first and foremost 'exists' to make kids happy, he's something they believe in and adore. For a second this show almost felt like it had heart and thought put into a scene... And then it fell apart horribly. Man that's a shame since I actually kinda like the animation style
Candy is like that one D&D player who tries to be the party face despite having a sh*t Charisma score. When they already have a perfectly good bard/sorcerer/warlock standing around.
The scene with Santa on the bench reminds me of a plot thread in the Artemis Fowl books. One of the protagonists is basically what amounts to the first female police officer, and the commander relentlessly calls out every little mistake she makes, and way more harsh to her than any of the male officers. And when she finally confronts him about it, he basically says "Yes. I am absolutely being harder on you because you are a woman. But that's only because everyone else is going to be judging you unfairly. I need to push you to be more than average, you have to be exceptional, otherwise they will never give other women the chance to do what you are doing."
Except they didn't undercut it by having the female protagonist say "fuck you" and storm out anyway.
And look at what they did to that movie...
Julius Root was a great leader despite him being a hardass. Even Artemis respected him.
Such a great character in the book, but in the movie...
Top o' the mornin'
That scene still gives me chills when I think about it.
I miss when good writing involved developing and redeeming characters who are initially set up as unlikeable. Nowadays near every unlikeable character is our Protagonist, and development feels like their anti-matter. The few glimmers of hope like the bench speech are shot down like enemy fighters in hostile air space because of course, our MaRey Sue always has to be correct, right?
At first I was like “this series doesn’t look TERRIBLE” but then they made Santa the twist villain out of nowhere like… what the hell
And yet he's still more of a hero than Candy even after the fact.
The same kind of bad twist villains Disney keeps making nowadays
I mean, really? The santa as twist villian is what made it terrible? I feel like thats just what added a few more dumptrucks of shit to the Grandcanyon 78% full of shit already. The animation is nice, and thats about it.
They really threw a single chance to turn the show around like why
@@robonator2945 Agreed. It was already terrible, but Santa being the twist villain was what really pushed it from terrible to irredeemable.
The Santa's choice explanation ending seemed like it was someone"s original direction. But who ever had higher authority of production decided against it. So that's how we got the more shallow ending.
I like how they think when a guy is doing something rude, its evil, but when a girl does something rude its funny.
"It's OK when we do it 😃!"
😒
Wow
You know if they just simply ended with Santa explaining himself to candy I would have loved this show.
same
What wld he have explained to her?
@@domination6585 so you didn’t watch the video
The problem is Seth Rogan tried way too hard to be progressive, and in doing so, he became offensive himself. He wasn’t telling a story, he was giving a political statement, and that’s the biggest problem here. There’s nothing wrong with having a message about racial diversity or inclusiveness, but you need to make it a good story with good characters first, and the message comes second. That way, the audience will be willing to follow the story, and thus would be more receptive to the message. If the message is all that your story has going for it, you risk alienating your audience, especially if not everyone wants a message shoved down their throat. Especially with Santa Inc. where they went really overboard with their message that they forgot to make the story compelling and their characters likeable. Everyone is either mean or abusive or both, and Candy, who we’re supposed to be rooting for, is an angry feminist who doesn’t care about making friends or who actually believes in her cause. She treats everyone like a means to an end at best or an enemy at worst, and that makes her unlikeable. That is exactly the wrong way to give the message, because if we can’t like anyone, we’ll have no desire to stick with them, and thus the message is lost. In order to give your message, you need to first give a good story with likeable characters.
The problem is, racial diversity and inclusiveness isn't what they promote. Santa is a white male so he cannot be Santa anymore. Why exclude white men from the job?
Diversity and inclusion are white-exclusive terms. Whenever you promote "diversity" in anything, you do it at the expense of including Europeans.
he ironically became the villain of his own shown
Seth Rogan has been a jerk for most of his career, how this guy keeps failing upwards I will never know (or I do but I cant post the reason without youtube shadowbanning me)
You perfectly summed up the right way to handle representation. When writers don't actually care, or they focus more on being inclusive rather than the character themself, you often end up with a boring, rude, or sometimes offensive character as a result. The character still needs to be interesting. The audience should be able to sympathize with them. It doesn’t matter what race or gender the character is, if they're poorly written people aren't going to care about them.
Way late but take everything everywhere all at once. Great movie with a female lead who is powerful, and an equally powerful villain who I wont spoil. People loved it, so it has nothing to do with “people hating on diversity/women” as so many people today say. Totally agree with you
"I don't care what the color the feminist is she can kiss my ass" was the best part of the movie xD
Just seeing her say that with so much passion warmed my cold dead heart
That's going on my Wall of Quotes.
using this later for sure
"If you don't like my series then you ain't black!" - Seth Rogan
I liked the one santa special where they gave him immortality for being a genuine kind person that only wanted to make people smile. "Step one foot in front of the other people"
Santa Claus is Coming to Town?
Man, I love that version of Santa; what a wonderful man. He somehow manages to turn a mean, hateful ice wizard into a loving and compassionate person just by showing him a tiny little token of kindness. Even that manages to warm my stone cold heart at times.
Your memories seem fuzzy...
You might want to watch that special again. It's called Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town, and it's on RUclips... If that's what you mean
It's actally "The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus" where they question whether to give Santa immortality for his actions. It's similar to "Santa Claus is Comin to Town" and made by the same people years apart from each other, so I don't blame anyone confusing the two.
@@JustinB6699 I got confused by his last sentence because I thought he was referring to "Put One Foot In Front Of The Other"
Oh come on, that scene where Santa explains why he doesn't choose Candy is AMAZING!!! My jaw was on the floor. I rewatched that part many times. But, yeah, the thing had to be fully disappointing or it would be a good show, but who wants those lately, huh?
And suddenly, for no reason at all, the children voted Santa into power. Props to Seth Rogen for teaching millions of innocent, random kids, there's people out in the world who want to just randomly ruin stuff for them.
OY VEY
If it weren't for you i'd have to watch this, you're doing Gods work Steve
hi
Daddy please come home and make more vids, it's been a year :(
14:32 And those 3 words were the fingers that pulled the trigger and killed whatever chance this thing had at either redemption, or pushing a good message. Any story, movie or tv show can be saved by even just the last scene and that final scene with Santa's monologue would've maybe, just maybe pulled this dumpster fire out of the flames and be given something much more special. But the second those 3 words were spoken, the entire project was shot into the grave... And no one showed up to the funeral.
I showed up, the bathroom was out of order.
she let her ego get in the way...
Damn man...that bit at the end with Santa explaining himself was actually really good. It's genuinely impressive writing.
And then they blow it.
Your take on this show was not only beautiful, but actually hit on EVERYTHING messed up and wrong with this show. Your reviews are actually awesome and Im so glad i stumbled on your channel the other day. been binging it and loving every bit of it. Keep up the fantastic content and thanks for all of your hard work yo.
I feel like this is just what happens when people are aesthetically woke without any actual understanding of the subjects they’re addressing lol.
Exactly. They want to "start a conversation", i.e get praised without any actual work or risk involved.
It's _almost_ as if the people who made this are insanely privileged and don't know what real hardship looks like 🤔
@@errortryagainlater4240 real hardship is locking the keys to your mansion inside your house
@@plugshirt1762 Oh, that's NOTHING! I was gliding through the Starbucks drive through in my lamborghini and they raised the price of my favourite drink by TWO WHOLE DOLLARS! WHEN WILL THE SUFFERING ENDDDDDDDD
imagine being kicked out of 109 bars 1000 times and thinking it's the bartenders fault
Rare based comment in a sea of normie comments.
Excellent! Yes of course it's the racist "Tribe" once again
Oh but they are soooo hated
I wonder why eh?
@@brightblackgrouse6236 "Based" is meaningless. It's pointless filler. Like those broads who type "LMAO" and "OMFG" or "I'm SCREAMING".
Based.
Based comment. Unfathomably based user name
I agree. That Santa speech to Candy was the only good part of the whole thing...and then they just torpedo it. It made perfect sense. Then...argh.
I feel like if the main character was Santa's daughter trying to be the next Santa would make more sense , that's just my pith
Nepotism is a bit of a taboo subject these days.
There’s a movie called Noelle that has this plot and it’s way better than this dumpster fire
That speech Santa gave on the bench is like being the first person to regain soberness and watching all your friends stumble around drunk in their own filth.
Damn that speech Santa gave was really powerful. I don't think it would've fixed the show, but it might've added some merit to it. To bad the creators discounted an actually good message.
Legend has it that the CIA uses American adult "comedy" shows as phycological torture methods during interrogation.
And Steve does it free for our leisure. haha
Hey Steve! I want to recommend 2 movies from my own country, Hungary:
- Fehérlófia (Son of the white mare) made in 1981
- János vitéz (John the knight) made in 1973 (the first Hungarian animated movie)
While I do not know if these movies have dubs, I'm 100% sure you can find them with subtitles
You forgot The Trgedy of Man, made between 1988-2011.
Macskafogo when
@@BetamaxFlippy You are right. It's a classic that should be talked about too!
What about Vuk? Vuk is probably the most iconic Hungarian animated movie, that deserves a review too!
És a Hófehér1?
Why do I get the feeling this show was a warning to us about how bad Velma would be?
Honestly, the series probably could have saved itself by having the twist being that after rejecting Santa’s explanation, Candy would turn out to be the true villain of the series. Taking everything to the extreme and ruling everyone up so bad in the process that she effectively destroyed Christmas that year, and would justify ruining everyone’s holiday and the careers of Santa Inc. employees by saying “we can rebuild a new Christmas, better than ever” and then spout these ideas that make everyone feel uncomfortable because it wouldn’t even feel like Christmas with them. The. She says F*#k all of you, leaves the village and then Christmas was officially bought by Amazon, now being a true soulless conglomerate instead of the magical, love thy neighbor time of year it has been for centuries, and we all had to thank one little elf who focused so much on the bad she saw, that it was all she ever welcomed, and never saw the good in what was happening, because it didn’t involve her getting her way the way she wanted it.
A super bummer ending indeed, but at least it would have stuck the landing on so many levels and at least be a decent satire and even cautionary tale on what’s practically happening now with Christmas and how people are acting, especially when trying to solve a problem they genuinely wanted to solve instead of transforming it into something else entirely. That’s just my opinion though. Please don’t treat me like Candy and the gang treats everyone on the show for this. 🥺
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You know, that great speech that they end up fucking up, about the role of Santa going to someone best deserving of it not based on competency with the other aspects of the role, but care towards children, was done PERFECTLY in Arthur Christmas. Like that movie showed the person realizing he wasnt deserving of the role of Santa that he wanted for years, and it was better suited for his brother, who went above and beyond just to get a little girl her bike for Christmas.
Go watch Arthur Christmas to cleanse this series out of your palette. It's funnier and more compelling than Seth Rogen's excrement
1000% this. Arthur Christmas is _so_ underrated.
7:36 I think we should take a second look at this, notice how they’re trying to say sexual harassment is bad by having a man do it, yet they’re fine with having a woman do it and have it as a joke. I personally think this is kind of rude, as if to say a woman can’t harass a man, a double standard in the show, just like the cookie abuse joke.
I think you're the first reviewer on RUclips that I've seen to have ACTUALLY WATCHED _all_ *8 episodes* of this crap-show before reviewing it. And I say this as someone who did not (and who happily has *no intentions* to *EVER)* watch this absolute _mess_ of a travesty. Most reviews I've seen of this show never even mention the "twist" from the Santa character, so I honestly had _no clue_ about this plot point.
@ *Steve Reviews,* _this_ is what I like about you and your channel. When you review something, you GENUINELY give it a chance, no matter how bad it is, no matter what the "popular" opinion is about it. You judge things for YOURSELF. I am suddenly conscious of the fact that I am perhaps far too lenient in regards to what I am willing to overlook in other channels. While it was obvious from the get-go that _Santa, Inc._ was going to be "bad", I admit that I had no problems with watching other channels completely crap on the show WITHOUT actually providing any solid examples of _WHY_ they thought it was "bad" (beyond the crude jokes and stupid potty humor seen in the trailers).
*Steve,* your review actually reminded me that, yes...this show IS _bad._ But it's _bad_ due to *FAR MORE* than what we saw in the trailers. As always, I am NEVER disappointed in an upload from you. ❤️
I'm okay with the people who just focused on the fallout and no real analysis because that's more than this show deserves, but I definitely appreciate the people who did the analysis as well. I mean, we're actually having mature conversations here and there are no trolls trying to destroy the reputation of the channel with thinly-veiled comments.
Honestly Klaus is the best of the more recent holiday films we have recieved
The Velma show reminded me this show existed and wanted to compare
This is unironically one of the few shows that are actually "worse than you can imagine", for some reason I expected it to be a shitty generic family friendly animated film, which actually might be a slighty better than what we got.
A Santa that doesn't care about the kids is the same as a creator that doesn't care about their fans.
The first stop motion animation that actually HATED! Congrats, Seth, you made people hate stop motion! Great job, trollup!
People hate stop motion? no, I think you meant *"people hate adult comedies"* .
So you _liked_ Glenn Martin DDS?
@@starspeculation What is it?!
@@НикитаДенисов-у9ы Glenn Martin DDS was a stop motion adult comedy about a traveling dentist and his annoying-ass family.
wow the quote from Santa actually made it seem like they had good writers for the show for a second
They probably hired a really good writer for an hour and then they escaped from production when they saw the rest of the shitty script
Oh yes Seth Rogen. The man who will go after his detractors to ask if they're Jewish and if they're not he then proceeds to harass and Bully them.
I wish I was joking.
Seriously? That's what he does?
@@techfrank2431 seriously.
He went after Dankula once.
Not Jewish; leftist.
@@JadeEyes1 no no
He has legit asked people if they're Jewish.
@@JadeEyes1 He's Jewish. He says it proudly (nothing to be proud of)
That ending monologue in episode 6 made me wanna give it a chance but then they retconned all of it next episode so "Candy can shake up the patriarchy" SMH bruh
12:30
I love how profound and deep that got, though I kept repeating myself "Jeez how do they fuck it up?"
The thing that makes me the most sad is that people are going to associate stop motion movies with this now. Instead of the great work like Coraline, or even chicken run. That stuff had heart and passion. This is just dreck.
I wouldn't be too sure of that. "Food Fight" did not turn off the public from computer animated movies. If anything, all it did was reinforce the idea that CGI needed quality effort as much as any other medium. "Santa Inc." reinforces the notion that even a parody of a highly commercialized holiday requires good writing, characterization, and yes, an appreciation of the subject you want to mock.
Bold of you to assume this will be remembered
Oh God it's gonna be remembered, isn't it
Chicken Run, Wallace and Grommet, The Nightmare Before Christmas, The Fantastic Mr. Fox… stop motion is such a spectacular medium, and rest assured, my friend, this garbage heap will not taint its name. This show is a gnome stabbing at the toes of giants in that regard.
@@Duplicitousthoughtformentity I hope so.
“Santa inc is the worst show ever made”
Velma: allow me to introduce myself
Queen Cleopatra: No no, allow ME to introduce myself
Offensive humor isn’t really my thing. However, the reason they can attempt to play it up for laughs when the power dynamic is in the woman’s favor is one of the basic rules of offensive comedy: punching up. The problem with this, however, is that it clashes severely with the message this show seems to want to tell. You can’t preach about equality when harassment is bad against this group but “funny” against another group.
Punching up is not a rule of offensive comedy.
@@spinosaurusstriker it is though. More precisely, “don’t punch down.” It’s more of a rule you don’t break rather than a rule to be followed. So punching up doesn’t HAVE to be in offensive comedy, but you’re not suppose to punch down.
@@System_Spark Right. Like, everyman making rich guy jokes can be funny, but a rich guy making jokes based on poverty is just going to come across as an asshole.
@@System_Spark Comedy has no rules. Punching up, punching down, doesn't matter. Anyone, anywhere, at any time can be the punchline of a joke.
That speech Santa had with her could have been an "Arthur Christmas moment" honestly I feel like it would have saved the show.
As a feminist female, I can confirm that I couldn’t give a single fuck about Santa being male.
Same
Dude says "comedy" the same way Malfoy says "Potter" and that's just great
That speech from Santa was amazing, its so aggravating that they trashed the story like that
I think the worst part is the amount of work that clearly went into the models. Just looking a single frame of Santa it's clear that so much effort went into the design of the characters and it's a damn shame they got stuck making a show like this..
12:39.
The explanation is so good and they fucked that up which is disappointing.
tbf, I think a decent counter argument could have been written, especially with his last point, to not make candy come off as an entitle bitch and really make what Santa says look even better. They could have just had her say something along the lines of "while appreciate the ability to implement my changes in the background i still feel like this a let down as i don't like a precedent of this guy just getting the spotlight and credit while somebody is stuck in the background doing all the work. I think people should have recognition for the work they do yada yada yada."
the show would probable need other changes, and people may not agree with whatever counter argument they came up with, but it could have been interesting. I think the writers just had their heads so far up their own ass they didn't think they needed to actually write a counter cause they just assumed their audience would see what Santa was saying on the same level as " blacks had it better during slavery"
Terrible way of subverting expectations.🤦🏻
The fact that the show was good enough to have a legit reason why Santa didn't want Candy to get the job, only to do a complete 180 and just have Santa be a typical bad guy for generic story reasons is freaking baffling to me.
If you want another example of discrimination on a Christmas Themed movie, theres "The Grinch" with Jim Carrey, where the Grinch was heavily mocked by the Who in his childhood for his appearance.
And that movie is actually hilarious.
"White people are not discriminated against"
Literally every new "progressive" show in existence:
Literally every form of trash media currently being released by commiewood, the Phony Biden Administration are CONSTANTLY preaching how us whites are the root of evil.
@@Lightningstrike1220 "Commiewood"? Grow up dude
@@Laiser I'm not wrong.
@@Lightningstrike1220
Hollywood is not run by communists.
@@Laiser Considering I'm being censored to oblivion. I'm right on target.
I lost interest in this show after 3 episodes because the characters were so bad (the settings were pretty though). The amount of swearing was also tiring.
I also hated the constant men versus women of the show while the women are more violent than the men. (How can you complain about “the patriarchy” when you’re worse than the patriarchy?)
Yo, who doesn't like a good "Us vrs Them" mentality, but also that wouldn't make sense if he wants men to see these problems and help women. You're literally biting a hand that you want to feed you. I think really, he just wanted to appeal to women and get claps and yells like what happens on like the talkshows.
Almost every story about women empowerment makes every. Single. Male character the most sexist person around and it is looked as bad, which makes sense, but not when it’s with every single male character, and when it’s not doing that, it makes the female characters just as sexist as the male characters, if not more, and it’s considered completely Ok!
It’s just wrong on so, so, so many levels.
When a make a movie, or a show about female empowerment, please, for the love of literary anything, please don’t make every single male character sexist, it’s ok if there is at least 1 to 4 sexist male characters, but not more than that. And also, don’t make it ok for all the female characters to be sexist and get away with it just fine.
The thing is, when you read or watch most _good_ stories about female empowerment, you don’t even realize that’s what it is. Avatar the Last Airbender was fairly feminist, but like, that was just normal. No “but I’m a STRONG WOMAN!!” “omg you are girl!!”. Just women doing their own thing and being good at it and occasionally proving other people wrong, which is basically how it works in real life and I believe has more subconscious influence than just saying over and over “boys drool”, which is not even the point of feminism (true feminist want equality).
@@soniccookie655 "boys drool” 😂 That's actually a really good way of wording this attitude.
@@catbatrat1760 :) I’m glad you like it.
@@soniccookie655 I both wanna agree but ngl they had a ton of forced "girl power moral episodes" in ATLA. Especially in season 1. I mean that was Katara's whole arc to learn Water bending, and Sokka met a main love interest via it. Azula repeatedly states she pushes herself harder than any bender can because as a daughter and not a male heir she cannot inherit the throne so she compensates by being a daddy's little prodigy. The main difference is ATLA was at least driven by likable characters and people who when they learned something good once, the message was over and done with and left lasting narrative impact on their personality.
@@avosmash2121 Yeah I actually do agree, the part where Sokka first met Suki was a bit forced as well.
I've made some pretty bad content in the past, best thing you can do is own it and say "Yeah it was bad, we misread the room on what we thought was going to be good but we messed up. We'll try better next time." I think the team behind this show should've done that.
So basically Candy cusses Santa out after being given a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why she wasn’t picked as Santa
Proceeds to leave someone for dead after accidentally hitting them with her car because they were being sexist
And basically treats everyone around her like shit…
We’re supposed to like this character?
Santa Inc makes Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer the Movie 1998 look like a masterpiece. I'd rather watch that flawed animated film rather than the bad Santa Inc series.
14:15 wow.... that line was actually amazing.... it doesn't redeem the rest of the show and if anything its a line way to good for a show this horrible. It also by comparison to the show it only highlights how awful this sjow was and only showed us how great it could of been. Whomever wrote that set of line should of wrote the rest of the show with that same energy tbch.
Candy is, basically, a shittier version of Reagan Ridley from Netflix's "Inside Job."
At least Reagan is interesting.
@@despinasgarden.4100 Exactly! Reagan's history and character development is, by far, the best thing "Inside Job" has going for it. While I was mostly disappointed by Part 1 of "Inside Job" (Aside from the finale, which was surprisingly good), I'd rather sit through all the episodes from Part 1 of "Inside Job" again than subject myself to even 5 minutes of this yuletide shit stain!
The youtube comments on HBO trailer was more funny than the entire show lol
Im so happy you finally reviewed this terrible show
I'm actually surprised that for once twitter hated on trash of this kind. Usually they're the ones promoting and praising it.
Tell me you’re joking.
@@madamkoifish no
Label everyone that criticizes your show as villains so no one will dare to say anything bad about it.
I think that’s what Nazis did.
Ironic.
You know, before seeing this show, I had an addiction to oxygen and after seeing the clips in the video, I feel like I should be better than that and try to stop that addiction
I"m *BLACK* too and this vile, spiteful, tone-deaf garbage offends me as well. Hate this show lol.
Seth Rogan is slowly becoming the role he always plays in movies. Unless he has always been that way. What a joke
More like he's revealing who he has always been.
Really appreciate Steve reading out Seth's speech. Seth is annoying anymore when he speaks.
How messed up does one's moral compass have to be to be able to write the episode 6 Santa monologue, but think thoughs are the words of the villain?
Could have gone with 'Ms Claus takes over becsuse Santa got hurt' and he ends up retiring, since she knows what to do after hundreds of years of living with him. Have santa miss the days of actually *making* toys, and letting him pick that up as his hobby after centuries of spreading joy. But nope, we got this
They teased that idea with Year Without A Santa and yet no one has picked up that premise. But I love an idea where Ms. Claus is Belfana the Christmas witch of Italy.
Could have also gone with "Black Santa's Elf gets traded to Amazon and has to deal with the sweatshop-esque, cruel environment as opposed to Santa's shop," but no...
@@eatatjoes6751 boy that would have been interesting to critique
If they switched the racism towards white to anything else this show wouldn’t even make it past drafting
The worst part is, *it already did.* They portrayed the protagonist calling a stand-in for a black person their world’s equivalent of the n-word as being a positive thing.
I genuinely thought the reindeer being as ratcheted as possible was pretty racist
It's ironic that Seth made a series about White man bad then blamed it's unpopularity on White supremacy
@@purpleemerald5299 and isnt the character who makes that comment voiced by a black woman? its a whole mess
I'm getting real sick of all this victim complex we whites have. We keep acting like we're some kind of victim to a great injustice, when in reality it's just some shitty ass movies and TV shows that we keep getting overly offended by.
I mean if you want to turn it on its head there have been plenty of movie racist towards black people, and they've been way more damaging than whatever the hell this is.
That gem of wisdom from santa was like finding a golden nugget in an outhouse ditch.
It’s a shame it’s so bad, because the animation is really good. But that’s the only good thing about it. I have a soft spot for stop motion animation movies and tv shows, especially the rankin bass productions, so the lack of quality in this show is such a bummer.
It’s almost sad to see that even children’s entertainment has a lot more heart, soul and maturity than most adult entertainment.
This would have worked with Seth MacFarlane as a show runner he in general nails a mix of comedy and sincerity that this story and message needs.
Plus he has worked with Seth Rogan acouple of Times
Modern Entertainment for the majority, sacrifices character for checklists and tokens. Thus getting rid of the heart. I always bring up 90s X-Men and 90s Batman ANIMATED. Storm wasn't a black woman, she was a kick ass super hero and amazing mother figure that just happened to be black. Jean Grey wasn't great because of her gender, but her power. And for 90s Batman I always point to ONE episode; "Girl's Night Out", I want to say it's called. Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy accidentally rob the same museum and bump into each other. Harley trips the alarm, and they both flee together with the prize they were after. Ivy wanted some rare seed, and Harley a jewel (if I remember correctly). The end scene is great. Poison Ivy gets on a Feminist Soap Box talking about how she's a criminal to prove women are just as capable as men at being super villains or some nonsense. TO WHICH Harley Quinn beautifully replies; "Yeah, I don't know about any of that, I just do this for the thrill, not as a huge statement." And that's why That character was awesome. A wholly invented character for the Animated Series. Back when women used their sex appeal as a disarming tool in their arsenal but also had great brains as well. Poison Ivy was a world renowned botanist, Quinn grade-A psychologist/psychiatrist, and so on. The only failure in 90s Animated was Jubilee, and that's because she was a gimmick first and never a character. She was an audience foil with a crappy power.
Would this be a sort of way of phrasing it? "Don't make a female character that is strong, make a strong character that is female"
Wise words
In fairness to Jubilee, she was almost literally just "Kitty Pryde for the 90s", being intended to be the naive young girl who was newly recruited to the X-Men, and never really had a chance to grow beyond that concept in the cartoon.
@@Samwise_Ass I would say that's a succinct way of putting it.
This show is the definition that money doesn't fix anyting what a waste of animation and money
It's a shame cause the animation looks nice.
@@am2382 Yes but hopefully in the future TV companies will never make the same mistake again
@@am2382 to be honest this is kind of a blessing in disguise because future creatures will look at this and say yeah definitely not going to do that
Exactly. As someone in the animation industry I've seen how incredibly difficult it is to have your ideas pitched and greenlit. Ideas that are original and creative with a pilot and plot that's genuine. Yet rubbish like this gets the greenlight, millions go down the drain and people involved waste their talent while real talent gets the cold shoulder for absolute political garbage that's masked as "comedy"
HOLY SHIT THAT EPISODE 6 MADE ME SO HYPE WHY DID THEY HAVE TO MAKE EPISODE 7
Didn't Inside Job do this exact plot, but like, a million times better and not bound to a time specific holiday?
WHAT THE HELL???? I thought santas reasoning was fantastic, showing how candy got dragged into the very identity politics she hated so much. But I guess being self aware takes talent, something this show clearly lacks in. I kinda got a little upset at episode 7.