As a former bowling ball designer for 4 different brands. I can tell you that bowling balls losing performance from being bowled is a issue every bowling ball manufacturer faces. I did countless testing on why bowling balls lose performance, and what Storm is showing you is 100% spot on. If you don't take care of your ball. You will lose performance. They didn't have to spend money and time on making this video. This obviously isn't a sales piece. It is them showing you what happens when you don't take care of your ball, and them encouraging you to do so. I think what they are doing here is really good education for the bowler, and that, is good for bowling. Nice work!
I usually just take a paper towel and some alcohol or acetone and it pulls the oils out of the ball, but like they said overtime it’s important to do something a little more to it
@@dakotahuber919 I would recommend staying away from Acetone. It's extremely harmful to the bowling ball. With this being a Storm video you should check out the cleaning products they offer.
Ronald Hickland Jr interesting, there has only been one case where it was recommended to me by my boss at the bowling alley I work at saying that it pulls more oil out than the alcohol, never knew it was harmful to it
Really nice video. Wish they would have taken the balls and resurfaced and cleaned them. Then throw another shot to really show the effect of what a good clean and resurface does.
When a ball is that abused with no maintenance such as not using a shammy while bowling or a cleaner after each session it's not going to make a difference honestly. Could have done just two Code X's and maintained one and not the other to show how much better it is.
@@ItzMe3224 This is what a bowling ball deep clean is made for. Look into the bowling "detox" machine made by jayhawk bowling company. It worked wonders when I first switched from urethane to reactive resin.
I think this video makes the perfect point on how the lack of ball maintenance affects ball reaction. It would have been nice to see if it would have been possible to bring the ball reaction back to it's original reaction (numbers) and what was done to do that.
This is a very informative video it might explain why we start moving to the right I try to compensate for the ball and the closer you play to the dry part of the lane the more temperamental the lane gets
Wow lotta harsh comments here for a video intended to help the consumer.. Storm foam cleaner is fantastic. Always clean dull surface every 6 games and shiny every 10-12 games, and I have only had 2 pieces “die” and neither one was a storm. Took those 2 and soaked them in scalding hot water for about an hour, changing the water halfway. No soaps, just water. Both came back to life and rolling like they did day 1.
I bowl in 2 leagues , each league we bowl in for the season is 35 weeks = 105 games x 2 = 210 games , plus practice balls ( warming up ) say 8-10 balls per league . In the past I tried all the things posted in here, refinish was the best, then soak in hot water with Dawn dish soap for about 3 hours, ( I use duct tape to cover the holes. ) then rinse, changed water and Dawn again. Helped out but not too much. I throw a 3/4 roll and was told your track over time wears .( ball out of round ) To make a long story short I get a new ball every 2 years, and I do have a spare ball which is plastic and the plastic ball will last me 3-4 years.
Got a resin ball that I have probably over a thousand games on. Cleaned it after every session with rubbing alcohol. About 2000 games after getting it it lost almost all its hook. I literally was hooking more with a plastic ball than my resin ball. Had the ball resurfaced and the it did no good. Tried multiple cleaners and still no improvement. Finally I saw a video about soaking your ball in hot tap water and dish soap, soaked the ball for about 5 hours occasionally replacing the water to keep it hot, and I could literally see the coagulated oil in the water from where the heat was drawing the oil out of the ball. I then dumped the water out before removing the ball, dried the ball off with a towel and the following night my ball was back to performing like new. I now soak my resin bowling balls about every 50-100 games and it still performs great. Only drawback I have seen is I occasionally have to check my inserts and reglue them because the hot water and heat loosens up the superglue. For those wondering it is an old Ebonite Predator bowling ball from 2001. Still use it to this day and still performs great.
I don't have nearly as much experience with this, but I can tell you that something like Dawn dish detergent is an excellent degreaser. It is excellent at breaking down oils and allowing them to be easily rinsed away. If my assumption is correct that the degradation in performance we're worried about results largely from a buildup of oil in the pores of a ball, and what is essentially a gummed-up surface, then something like you describe makes perfect sense. A good dish soap works well as a surfactant and dispersant, while being relatively mild and presumably quite safe on the surface of a ball. I don't think I'll soak my next ball for five hours at a time, but I will certainly try Dawn, and maybe a short soak. I've also heard good things about rubbing alcohol, sometimes mixed with Simple Green.
UMepher these resin balls are like sponges when it comes to oil. If you ever leave it somewhere hot you will find your ball go from dry to covered in oil pretty quickly. The idea behind what I do is the hot tap water draws the oil out while to detergent helps pull it off the ball and float it to the surface. I clean my ball regularly with rubbing alcohol for nightly maintenace, but without the heat, the alcohol will never get the oil deep inside the ball out. Like I said this is something I only do every 100 games or so or when I find the ball isn’t performing like it should.
Zach, did you pick the music? Was that your vamping? On a side note, that explanation is spot on. Every sport I know takes regular maintenance to keep equipment working well. If the bowler likes the ball more and more without the TLC, fine. Just don't expect the ball to be the same ball it started out to be even 10 games later. Since there are so many variables in bowling (lane conditions, bowler, other equipment being used), having 1 item not a variable (bowler's own ball), it reduces by 1 the possibilities for the difference in ball reaction from week to week or event to event.
I take an alternate view. When a bowling ball is new it is stronger, and during that initial period you have to take that into account and adjust as it weakens (on top of adjusting for lane conditions). But after the break-in period the ball will stabilize and weaken at a rate slow enough to appear to not change from week to week. I buy my balls based on how they will behave after break-in, not when new. I throw a fast stroker shot and for my style most modern balls are too strong. My absolute favorite is the Storm Marvel Pearl, but only after it is weakens. Storm has come up newer balls using the same technology, but they are even stronger than the Marvel Pearl so they don't work as well for me. I do clean my ball between use and it appears to remain consistent over many games. The key is bowlers need to get a ball that has the proper amount of hook after break-in, for their style of bowling. Bowlers will be disappointed if they standardize on the hook offered by brand new balls unless they buy a lot of new bowling balls.
Do you have evidence or anything to back up this "weakening" theory? I think what you are talking about amounts to oil/grime buildup, or wear to the original finish, which can be renewed or altered. You're right that each bowler needs to find a ball suited to their traits and style, of course. A lot of newer bowlers ask what the "best" ball is, and often buy the most expensive ball they can afford or base a purchase on whatever marketing looks cool to them, rather than a ball that is appropriate for them. A stroker such as yourself certainly doesn't want the same ball as some wild cranker or a lower-speed tweener like me, and some people don't understand that. There are just so many choices these days, which is very nice, but the overload of names and specs can be overwhelming to even an experienced bowler.
@@UMepher Todays' bowling balls wear out and lose performance, mainly through oil absorption. If they didn't, the ball manufacturers would go out of business.
yes it does help to clean and surface your bowling balls but ive owned some that i cleaned after ever set and sanded every 6 games! and right now that ball is dead. it seems any cover designed to absorb a lot of oil is going to die no matter what you do, including oil extraction. the ball that died was a gamebreaker 2.
I heard from a pretty reputable PSO that Storm balls die faster than any other brand. Even with cleaning and care he said don't expect better than a year or so of performance out of them.
i believe it. but the fastest ball to die for me was an ebonite gamebreaker 2. 1 winter season and it was dead. i usually get at least winter and summer league and many times 2 years of use with good maintenance. only 1 season with maintenance is just ridiculous sad because it had my favorite ball reaction ever. might try motiv next time. i like smoother reacting stuff
I agree I clean my ball after each night and only get a year out of a ball. Even after oil extraction the ball will be good for a couple nights then dies
So I clean all the balls I use every time I play. I also occasionally hit them with an abralon pad to get them back to a "box finish". My phaze 2 handled this well for a season but now it hooks a lot less despite following suggested maintenance practices regularly. Why?
I'd like to point out that, if you are comparing those 2 Soniq shots to each other, please note that your slide position at the foul line is four boards different, not to mention that you had much less leverage and actually bailed on your latter shot, balance-wise. The CodeX delivery is 2 boards on the approach as well. I am totally agreeing with balls' surface textures changing to conform to the lane surface (app. 4500-5000 grit on synthetics) and yes, they will change much quicker once the surface has been "broken". Cleaning is good, but no high end, porous sponge is going to maintain it's box condition performance/texture beyond about 40 games. Doing a test over a few weeks will, in my opinion, offer much less a variable than 8 months as well. It's disappointing that you didn't actually use a tactile digital surface scanner during this test instead. The greater the initial surface texture, the greater the surface variation until it becomes stable at the lane surface texture. A dull, textured, solid, strong chemical cover ball will always experience a major change dynamically over a full season, much more than a mid range hybrid cover. A top shelf 2000 grit solid unpolished cover will change much more than a 4000 grit mid level pearl UNTIL IT BREAKS DOWN and becomes the lane surface texture. I really do wish the industry would stop promoting hook-in-a-box $250 balls that become $150 mid-range performance balls in a very short period of time. So what's my point? In my shop, I have stopped pushing high end balls to bowlers who are hoping to get more than one season out of a ball and encourage them to NOT use their "driver" unless absolutely necessary. Save those first 40 games worth of premium performance! Yes, clean them often to maintain tackiness and keep dust and oil from building up and clogging the pores. If you want a dull, matte finish, resurface the ball often, especially after that first 50 games and the older it is, the more often it needs it and the fewer games it will take until it's once again 4500 grit. I personally hit mine with 1500 grit in my Haus every 12 games or so after the initial surface break to keep a dull ball dull. Just my $0.02 share from being a PSO for over 30 years and yes, I am a proud V.I.P. participant. I applaud your video to encourage cleaning and maintaining the covers.
I think your claim that balls performance lasts only 40 games is an exaggeration. The only thing i have seen balls lose after 40 games, is that initial pin action of the fresh coverstock. Not any hooking performance. (if wiped and cleaned that is).
This was a fairly interesting video, I think it would have been far more informative if you had say, reasonably maintained it, like cleaning it every 3-4 games. Maybe skip the re-polishing/sanding because I think a typical bowler who has purchased a custom ball will usually at least clean their ball. Then shown us the results in difference of ball reaction from game 1 to game 100, 150, 200, 300? etc. Another cool idea would be throwing a new ball to show reaction, then placing the ball in a bucket of lane oil and letting it soak thoroughly for a day or however long it would take to be completely oil logged, then showing how horribly reaction is diminished. Ultimately, a bowling ball will lose performance regardless of what you do. Ball maintenance does prolong a balls performance, but it will eventually become oil soaked and begin to hydroplane and get squirrely on not freshly stripped backends (aka inconsistent reaction and breakpoint) any carrydown, good luck. Baking a ball is the only thing that will remotely 'restore' hook potential// hook consistency once carrydown starts occurring. The unfortunate thing is that after your initial 100-150 games of great out of box reaction, even de-oiling the ball via baking doesn't really restore performance for any meaningful period of time. A rejuvenated ball will roll well for 30-45 games before it starts falling into it's old patterns of being oil soaked and reading/rolling inconsistently again. (Your ball starts out one shade of color, then after absorbing oil, it darkens. Once the oil is removed, it's still that darkened color, meaning not all the oil was truly removed). The real issue is pro-shops charge 20-40 bucks to rejuvenate/resurface your ball and as I said, the period of games the ball ends up being good for (30-45) doesn't end up being a very good value, it's pretty much better to consider a new ball or taking baking it into your own hands.
Please make a follow up video. I have 2 balls I'm struggling to keep from turning into a spare ball, with the disappearing hook. I put them in hot soapy water, that helped. And sanded them. They are better but still not quite there yet.
Look into getting your equipment "deoiled". My pro shop uses the detox ultrasonic machine, it works great. I ended up buying a no name ultrasonic machine for me to use at the house to clean all if my equipment since I bowl frequently enough to need a lot of cleanings.
@@machinethesun9243 Its great actually! The wife and I bowl weekly in the same league and have 5 balls between us. I clean mine every 4 weeks or so, which depending on how much I practice is 15 to 30 games. I do hers about 3 times a season, and her ball hook is night and day difference. She just has me wait until she feels it going straight and that's when i restore it.
@@machinethesun9243 they discontinued the exact one I bought 2 years ago, look on Ebay or Amazon for one that is 15L tank size with an 8in high tank depth. Mine also has a heater built in. It covers most the bowling ball, and so I just make sure the track area is covered in the water
@@stormbowling That is a big claim and also sounds like a huge exaggeration. Refraction occurs when light enters a different medium. I believe the medium of the scanner is just air. Also even if different colors bounce light differently, that's why the scanner scans 35 to 40.000 points and creates an average. Only if i see a ball scanned with a better way and only if several balls are both scanned with both ways and the scanner is "extremely inaccurate", i will say that there is something there.
My Motiv balls never loose their reaction. Even after 3 years. I see no difference. EJ Tackett did a test with the Jackal Carnage and he compared a 150 game oil soaked carnage w a brand new one and they hooked 1 board different from each other. That’s what makes Motiv unique. Their ball motion never goes down in terms of backend
Lol. I have a dead p7, I remove the oil it comes back to life. Jackel ghost obsorbs almost none. Some balls suck up more oil than others. Motiv is no different, just depends on the ball. They all need resurfaced.
Awesome...again this is the problem with bowling!!!!!! People spend 200 plus on this stuff and then whatever it costs to drill it and they stop working? Why bowling isn’t on par (pun intended) with golf. They are over priced. Bring the prices down and sell more.
Can you say why a ball ( NOVA in question) that right out of the box worked great and after about 30 games or so dosen't seem to react anymore like it did out of the box and this is with 2 different balls and 2 different players with the recommended cleaning any help would be appreciated thank you
i maintain my surface each session got a homemade ball spinner and pads i had a defiant soul was like 7 years old at the time shot a 300 game with it so yes even old balls keeping surface maintained does infact keep performance high just most (not all) dont spend the time and wonder why.
I would like to see the same two balls change in reaction over 150 games with recommended maintenance every three games. How much change would appear then? In my experience, with good maintenance, the balls still lose power after lots of use.
I would like to try putting my aged Marvel S into a waterproof bag, set it in hot water for a couple of hours to open surface pores and thin/melt the oil residue buildup, then while hot, put onto a high RPM ball spinner. Wipe off with alcohol then spin again.
I always want to bowl with the old columbia 300 balls and hammer urethanes but i just dont want them messed up so i mostly bowl with the storm balls and got the iq ruby and bowled my first 300 game have not liked it after 5 months of haveing it until i got that boi detoxed and re polished it hooked so much that my game went even lower because how much it hooks. I was used to it not hooking because it was oil exasperated 😂 looks like i gotta get used to it again.
Okay I bought the katana slash about 2 years ago and I am that person that never cleans it. At first I was bowling awesome and now my ball doesnt Hook anymore just like u said. What can I do to get the performance back the way it used to be. What should I clean it with?
I think you got a haircut between the first and second videos...that’s the biggest difference. I’m still jealous of your hair, but then again who isn’t.
If you are looking for some traction, you can get some of that rubber coating in a spray can from Home Depot and apply to a cleaned ball. Play deep inside, crank the ball, lobbing it over the arrows should allow it to reach the proper break point before snapping back.
It's like the landing gear on an airplane. You can only land it so many times and the entire undercarriage has to be replaced. Same with the ball hitting the lane.
Many of those aircraft components have maintenance procedures that extend their lives, and many are replaceable individually when out of spec. I've never heard of replacing "the whole undercarriage." Airplanes need maintenance, and so do reactive resin bowling balls.
Amazing how you say it's the ball when most places don't take care of their lanes properly. I know people with balls that are 20 years old. They still bowl great with them never even get a surface and don't clean it.
the video isnt "why you don't bowl great anymore", it talks about the amount of hook. yeah, they bowl great but they arent getting the movement that you'd expect they had early on
@@darrensim295 the strength or weakness of the lane has to do with curve if there's no oil the lane is strong you need a weak ball a plastic ball will hook when the lane is weak you need a stronger ball it has to match your using the wrong ball don't let people destroy your ball just get another one that 20 year old ball has its purpose your ball won't last that long if you stimulate throwing it 1000 rolls on it before you even threw it once
An interesting marketing tactic to show how little durability a product has. Imagine if a car company pointed out how their cars fall apart after 3 years and then mentioned their great repair rates. Bowlers need to be calling out storm and other companies for their products that fall apart after 1 season. There is no reason this needs to happen, just like your cars tires don't need to fall off after you buy it. Storm clearly understands the problem, but doesn't care
@@TheFoodReview yeah and it isn't easy to make a car that won't rust in 3 years. That's why they're supposed to be the best and brightest. There are more durable ball companies than others and storm is about bottom of the barrel...the video explains how the balls die after 1 season
So you are complaining that you have to clean your equipment? You are upset that there is responsibility on your end to maintain your products? Do you not have to change the oil in your car so it continues to function as intended? Do you need to put fuel in it so it continues to drive? Poor analogy. From the beginning there has always been cleaning products for your bowling equipment, because ALL balls need to be maintained or you WILL see a noticeable difference in performance.
As a former bowling ball designer for 4 different brands. I can tell you that bowling balls losing performance from being bowled is a issue every bowling ball manufacturer faces. I did countless testing on why bowling balls lose performance, and what Storm is showing you is 100% spot on. If you don't take care of your ball. You will lose performance. They didn't have to spend money and time on making this video. This obviously isn't a sales piece. It is them showing you what happens when you don't take care of your ball, and them encouraging you to do so. I think what they are doing here is really good education for the bowler, and that, is good for bowling. Nice work!
Thank you Ron. That means a lot coming from someone in your position in the industry. We appreciate what you are doing as well.
can I get some idea on how to maintain or clean the ball after games?
I usually just take a paper towel and some alcohol or acetone and it pulls the oils out of the ball, but like they said overtime it’s important to do something a little more to it
@@dakotahuber919 I would recommend staying away from Acetone. It's extremely harmful to the bowling ball. With this being a Storm video you should check out the cleaning products they offer.
Ronald Hickland Jr interesting, there has only been one case where it was recommended to me by my boss at the bowling alley I work at saying that it pulls more oil out than the alcohol, never knew it was harmful to it
Really nice video. Wish they would have taken the balls and resurfaced and cleaned them. Then throw another shot to really show the effect of what a good clean and resurface does.
Collin Bradley exactly
When a ball is that abused with no maintenance such as not using a shammy while bowling or a cleaner after each session it's not going to make a difference honestly.
Could have done just two Code X's and maintained one and not the other to show how much better it is.
@@ItzMe3224 This is what a bowling ball deep clean is made for. Look into the bowling "detox" machine made by jayhawk bowling company. It worked wonders when I first switched from urethane to reactive resin.
Well Done! Thank you for taking the time to show the facts/science associated with equipment maintenance.
I think this video makes the perfect point on how the lack of ball maintenance affects ball reaction. It would have been nice to see if it would have been possible to bring the ball reaction back to it's original reaction (numbers) and what was done to do that.
I have a Storm bite that’s four years old.. it’s the best ball in my bag.. you take good care of your bowling ball they will still react like new 🎳🎳🎳🎳
This is a very informative video it might explain why we start moving to the right I try to compensate for the ball and the closer you play to the dry part of the lane the more temperamental the lane gets
Wow lotta harsh comments here for a video intended to help the consumer.. Storm foam cleaner is fantastic. Always clean dull surface every 6 games and shiny every 10-12 games, and I have only had 2 pieces “die” and neither one was a storm. Took those 2 and soaked them in scalding hot water for about an hour, changing the water halfway. No soaps, just water. Both came back to life and rolling like they did day 1.
I bowl in 2 leagues , each league we bowl in for the season is 35 weeks = 105 games x 2 = 210 games , plus practice balls ( warming up ) say 8-10 balls per league . In the past I tried all the things posted in here, refinish was the best, then soak in hot water with Dawn dish soap for about 3 hours, ( I use duct tape to cover the holes. ) then rinse, changed water and Dawn again. Helped out but not too much. I throw a 3/4 roll and was told your track over time wears .( ball out of round ) To make a long story short I get a new ball every 2 years, and I do have a spare ball which is plastic and the plastic ball will last me 3-4 years.
Got a resin ball that I have probably over a thousand games on. Cleaned it after every session with rubbing alcohol. About 2000 games after getting it it lost almost all its hook. I literally was hooking more with a plastic ball than my resin ball. Had the ball resurfaced and the it did no good. Tried multiple cleaners and still no improvement. Finally I saw a video about soaking your ball in hot tap water and dish soap, soaked the ball for about 5 hours occasionally replacing the water to keep it hot, and I could literally see the coagulated oil in the water from where the heat was drawing the oil out of the ball. I then dumped the water out before removing the ball, dried the ball off with a towel and the following night my ball was back to performing like new. I now soak my resin bowling balls about every 50-100 games and it still performs great. Only drawback I have seen is I occasionally have to check my inserts and reglue them because the hot water and heat loosens up the superglue. For those wondering it is an old Ebonite Predator bowling ball from 2001. Still use it to this day and still performs great.
Can you please share the link which video show about soaking the ball in hot tap water and dish soap?
Azmil Abdul Rahman this isn’t the exact video, but it is exactly what I do. ruclips.net/video/leDfHq8IcYo/видео.html
Fyrchkn manufacturers should just keep this in mind, and make the finger imprents resistable for that water
I don't have nearly as much experience with this, but I can tell you that something like Dawn dish detergent is an excellent degreaser. It is excellent at breaking down oils and allowing them to be easily rinsed away. If my assumption is correct that the degradation in performance we're worried about results largely from a buildup of oil in the pores of a ball, and what is essentially a gummed-up surface, then something like you describe makes perfect sense. A good dish soap works well as a surfactant and dispersant, while being relatively mild and presumably quite safe on the surface of a ball.
I don't think I'll soak my next ball for five hours at a time, but I will certainly try Dawn, and maybe a short soak. I've also heard good things about rubbing alcohol, sometimes mixed with Simple Green.
UMepher these resin balls are like sponges when it comes to oil. If you ever leave it somewhere hot you will find your ball go from dry to covered in oil pretty quickly. The idea behind what I do is the hot tap water draws the oil out while to detergent helps pull it off the ball and float it to the surface. I clean my ball regularly with rubbing alcohol for nightly maintenace, but without the heat, the alcohol will never get the oil deep inside the ball out. Like I said this is something I only do every 100 games or so or when I find the ball isn’t performing like it should.
Zach, did you pick the music? Was that your vamping? On a side note, that explanation is spot on. Every sport I know takes regular maintenance to keep equipment working well. If the bowler likes the ball more and more without the TLC, fine. Just don't expect the ball to be the same ball it started out to be even 10 games later. Since there are so many variables in bowling (lane conditions, bowler, other equipment being used), having 1 item not a variable (bowler's own ball), it reduces by 1 the possibilities for the difference in ball reaction from week to week or event to event.
I take an alternate view. When a bowling ball is new it is stronger, and during that initial period you have to take that into account and adjust as it weakens (on top of adjusting for lane conditions). But after the break-in period the ball will stabilize and weaken at a rate slow enough to appear to not change from week to week. I buy my balls based on how they will behave after break-in, not when new. I throw a fast stroker shot and for my style most modern balls are too strong. My absolute favorite is the Storm Marvel Pearl, but only after it is weakens. Storm has come up newer balls using the same technology, but they are even stronger than the Marvel Pearl so they don't work as well for me. I do clean my ball between use and it appears to remain consistent over many games. The key is bowlers need to get a ball that has the proper amount of hook after break-in, for their style of bowling. Bowlers will be disappointed if they standardize on the hook offered by brand new balls unless they buy a lot of new bowling balls.
Do you have evidence or anything to back up this "weakening" theory? I think what you are talking about amounts to oil/grime buildup, or wear to the original finish, which can be renewed or altered. You're right that each bowler needs to find a ball suited to their traits and style, of course. A lot of newer bowlers ask what the "best" ball is, and often buy the most expensive ball they can afford or base a purchase on whatever marketing looks cool to them, rather than a ball that is appropriate for them. A stroker such as yourself certainly doesn't want the same ball as some wild cranker or a lower-speed tweener like me, and some people don't understand that. There are just so many choices these days, which is very nice, but the overload of names and specs can be overwhelming to even an experienced bowler.
@@UMepher Todays' bowling balls wear out and lose performance, mainly through oil absorption. If they didn't, the ball manufacturers would go out of business.
yes it does help to clean and surface your bowling balls but ive owned some that i cleaned after ever set and sanded every 6 games! and right now that ball is dead. it seems any cover designed to absorb a lot of oil is going to die no matter what you do, including oil extraction.
the ball that died was a gamebreaker 2.
I heard from a pretty reputable PSO that Storm balls die faster than any other brand.
Even with cleaning and care he said don't expect better than a year or so of performance out of them.
i believe it. but the fastest ball to die for me was an ebonite gamebreaker 2. 1 winter season and it was dead. i usually get at least winter and summer league and many times 2 years of use with good maintenance. only 1 season with maintenance is just ridiculous
sad because it had my favorite ball reaction ever. might try motiv next time. i like smoother reacting stuff
I agree I clean my ball after each night and only get a year out of a ball. Even after oil extraction the ball will be good for a couple nights then dies
The question I have is why do some straight balls over time become hook balls
More dings and scratches add more friction. Friction = movement
the improvement through resurfacing in a pro shop would be interesting.
Hahahahaha this came up literally 30 minutes before I am supposed to pick up my Timeless from a resurfacing
I buy Storm & Motiv bowling balls, made in America and support 🇱🇷 jobs. Both make great bowling balls.
So I clean all the balls I use every time I play. I also occasionally hit them with an abralon pad to get them back to a "box finish". My phaze 2 handled this well for a season but now it hooks a lot less despite following suggested maintenance practices regularly. Why?
I'd like to point out that, if you are comparing those 2 Soniq shots to each other, please note that your slide position at the foul line is four boards different, not to mention that you had much less leverage and actually bailed on your latter shot, balance-wise. The CodeX delivery is 2 boards on the approach as well. I am totally agreeing with balls' surface textures changing to conform to the lane surface (app. 4500-5000 grit on synthetics) and yes, they will change much quicker once the surface has been "broken". Cleaning is good, but no high end, porous sponge is going to maintain it's box condition performance/texture beyond about 40 games. Doing a test over a few weeks will, in my opinion, offer much less a variable than 8 months as well. It's disappointing that you didn't actually use a tactile digital surface scanner during this test instead. The greater the initial surface texture, the greater the surface variation until it becomes stable at the lane surface texture. A dull, textured, solid, strong chemical cover ball will always experience a major change dynamically over a full season, much more than a mid range hybrid cover. A top shelf 2000 grit solid unpolished cover will change much more than a 4000 grit mid level pearl UNTIL IT BREAKS DOWN and becomes the lane surface texture. I really do wish the industry would stop promoting hook-in-a-box $250 balls that become $150 mid-range performance balls in a very short period of time. So what's my point? In my shop, I have stopped pushing high end balls to bowlers who are hoping to get more than one season out of a ball and encourage them to NOT use their "driver" unless absolutely necessary. Save those first 40 games worth of premium performance! Yes, clean them often to maintain tackiness and keep dust and oil from building up and clogging the pores. If you want a dull, matte finish, resurface the ball often, especially after that first 50 games and the older it is, the more often it needs it and the fewer games it will take until it's once again 4500 grit. I personally hit mine with 1500 grit in my Haus every 12 games or so after the initial surface break to keep a dull ball dull. Just my $0.02 share from being a PSO for over 30 years and yes, I am a proud V.I.P. participant. I applaud your video to encourage cleaning and maintaining the covers.
I think your claim that balls performance lasts only 40 games is an exaggeration. The only thing i have seen balls lose after 40 games, is that initial pin action of the fresh coverstock. Not any hooking performance. (if wiped and cleaned that is).
This was a fairly interesting video, I think it would have been far more informative if you had say, reasonably maintained it, like cleaning it every 3-4 games. Maybe skip the re-polishing/sanding because I think a typical bowler who has purchased a custom ball will usually at least clean their ball. Then shown us the results in difference of ball reaction from game 1 to game 100, 150, 200, 300? etc. Another cool idea would be throwing a new ball to show reaction, then placing the ball in a bucket of lane oil and letting it soak thoroughly for a day or however long it would take to be completely oil logged, then showing how horribly reaction is diminished.
Ultimately, a bowling ball will lose performance regardless of what you do. Ball maintenance does prolong a balls performance, but it will eventually become oil soaked and begin to hydroplane and get squirrely on not freshly stripped backends (aka inconsistent reaction and breakpoint) any carrydown, good luck. Baking a ball is the only thing that will remotely 'restore' hook potential// hook consistency once carrydown starts occurring.
The unfortunate thing is that after your initial 100-150 games of great out of box reaction, even de-oiling the ball via baking doesn't really restore performance for any meaningful period of time. A rejuvenated ball will roll well for 30-45 games before it starts falling into it's old patterns of being oil soaked and reading/rolling inconsistently again. (Your ball starts out one shade of color, then after absorbing oil, it darkens. Once the oil is removed, it's still that darkened color, meaning not all the oil was truly removed). The real issue is pro-shops charge 20-40 bucks to rejuvenate/resurface your ball and as I said, the period of games the ball ends up being good for (30-45) doesn't end up being a very good value, it's pretty much better to consider a new ball or taking baking it into your own hands.
My ball a Hammer 1st edition is over 40 years old. I never cleaned it. You think its time ?
btw, I used it first time yesterday in 40 years that i havent bowled. 251,220,165
Please make a follow up video. I have 2 balls I'm struggling to keep from turning into a spare ball, with the disappearing hook. I put them in hot soapy water, that helped. And sanded them. They are better but still not quite there yet.
Look into getting your equipment "deoiled". My pro shop uses the detox ultrasonic machine, it works great. I ended up buying a no name ultrasonic machine for me to use at the house to clean all if my equipment since I bowl frequently enough to need a lot of cleanings.
@@gorillawrenchin how is your ultrasonic? Have you tried it yet?
@@machinethesun9243 Its great actually! The wife and I bowl weekly in the same league and have 5 balls between us. I clean mine every 4 weeks or so, which depending on how much I practice is 15 to 30 games. I do hers about 3 times a season, and her ball hook is night and day difference. She just has me wait until she feels it going straight and that's when i restore it.
@@gorillawrenchin I bowl the same amount as you. Could you please give me a link to the ultrasonic you used?
@@machinethesun9243 they discontinued the exact one I bought 2 years ago, look on Ebay or Amazon for one that is 15L tank size with an 8in high tank depth. Mine also has a heater built in. It covers most the bowling ball, and so I just make sure the track area is covered in the water
you do not have to throw a big hook,to bowl good , just look at norm duke . just move right lol i use pitch black works just fine :P
Right!! I use the old blue hammer....
And you should have scanned the ball before and after for the surface.
Food Central TV Scanning is extremely inaccurate. It uses light refraction to determine surface roughness. Every ball bounces light differently.
So, which device do you use to measure surface roughness?
@@stormbowling That is a big claim and also sounds like a huge exaggeration. Refraction occurs when light enters a different medium. I believe the medium of the scanner is just air. Also even if different colors bounce light differently, that's why the scanner scans 35 to 40.000 points and creates an average. Only if i see a ball scanned with a better way and only if several balls are both scanned with both ways and the scanner is "extremely inaccurate", i will say that there is something there.
Hey, maybe 180 grit will help you get more hook. lol
Hey Zach so I have a tropical Storm tb and its losing power and I cleaned it a got a oil extraction but nothing is working so what should I do
déjá bowler same ball as me
Lol this happened to my hy road nano and i baked it and surfaces it 500 grit and it still wont hook. Hooked fine for 18 games.
My Motiv balls never loose their reaction. Even after 3 years. I see no difference. EJ Tackett did a test with the Jackal Carnage and he compared a 150 game oil soaked carnage w a brand new one and they hooked 1 board different from each other. That’s what makes Motiv unique. Their ball motion never goes down in terms of backend
That's why I want the new motiv t10 or primal rage remix
And if u believe that I have some beach front property for sale cheap ..gimme a call
Lol. I have a dead p7, I remove the oil it comes back to life. Jackel ghost obsorbs almost none. Some balls suck up more oil than others. Motiv is no different, just depends on the ball. They all need resurfaced.
Matthew Richards I purchased a tank and I can obviously see a difference after a league season
yea dreams are allowed. and when you think 3 years of using no difference you probably buyed only once a new ball ^^
Awesome...again this is the problem with bowling!!!!!! People spend 200 plus on this stuff and then whatever it costs to drill it and they stop working? Why bowling isn’t on par (pun intended) with golf. They are over priced. Bring the prices down and sell more.
very useful info
Can you say why a ball ( NOVA in question) that right out of the box worked great and after about 30 games or so dosen't seem to react anymore like it did out of the box and this is with 2 different balls and 2 different players with the recommended cleaning any help would be appreciated thank you
My Tzone doesn't hook anymore, some advise ?
i maintain my surface each session got a homemade ball spinner and pads i had a defiant soul was like 7 years old at the time shot a 300 game with it so yes even old balls keeping surface maintained does infact keep performance high just most (not all) dont spend the time and wonder why.
I would like to see the same two balls change in reaction over 150 games with recommended maintenance every three games. How much change would appear then?
In my experience, with good maintenance, the balls still lose power after lots of use.
I think that could just be normal wear and tear honestly my old hammer nail busted after it “died” it didn’t hit for a bit before
I'm still using a ball from 10 years ago carrying a 211 avg, still has the same performance
You might have a short memory. The ball never performs after 100 games like it did out of the box. It’s physically impossible.
@@TraumaER Maybe he has the skill to adjust
I have a pitch black and it just doesn’t hook
I would like to try putting my aged Marvel S into a waterproof bag, set it in hot water for a couple of hours to open surface pores and thin/melt the oil residue buildup, then while hot, put onto a high RPM ball spinner. Wipe off with alcohol then spin again.
I always want to bowl with the old columbia 300 balls and hammer urethanes but i just dont want them messed up so i mostly bowl with the storm balls and got the iq ruby and bowled my first 300 game have not liked it after 5 months of haveing it until i got that boi detoxed and re polished it hooked so much that my game went even lower because how much it hooks. I was used to it not hooking because it was oil exasperated 😂 looks like i gotta get used to it again.
I just shot a 787 with my 13 year old Storm Second Dimension.
I take care of my bowling balls all the time
Okay I bought the katana slash about 2 years ago and I am that person that never cleans it. At first I was bowling awesome and now my ball doesnt Hook anymore just like u said. What can I do to get the performance back the way it used to be. What should I clean it with?
Michael Mosher Jr resurface back to factory grit. Look up how to resurface a bowling ball and also look up to bowling ball and it’s in box grit.
I think you got a haircut between the first and second videos...that’s the biggest difference. I’m still jealous of your hair, but then again who isn’t.
What's the oil volume on that hair? Probably need an aggressive solid ball to tame that. Not like my dry THS (Typical Hair Style). LOL
in other words,you need to buy more bowling balls.
Yep they like Bic lighters ain't made to last made to sale
Just buy some Gunk engine degreaser and a spray can of clear top coat from the automotive dept at Walmart.
Gunk? Yikes, that's a harsh cleaner! I'll assume you're joking, since clear-coating a ball would totally kill it until you sanded the crap out of it.
If you are looking for some traction, you can get some of that rubber coating in a spray can from Home Depot and apply to a cleaned ball. Play deep inside, crank the ball, lobbing it over the arrows should allow it to reach the proper break point before snapping back.
The first reactive resin balls lasted longer
Funny, I just cleaned and surfaced my zero gravity
You couldn't get a clip-on mic?
Even if you clean and resurface the ball this will still happen. It just takes longer
It's like the landing gear on an airplane. You can only land it so many times and the entire undercarriage has to be replaced. Same with the ball hitting the lane.
Many of those aircraft components have maintenance procedures that extend their lives, and many are replaceable individually when out of spec. I've never heard of replacing "the whole undercarriage." Airplanes need maintenance, and so do reactive resin bowling balls.
Shit I can't make anything hook. I suck
Put some fingers in it! Get rid of the equipment! Its ruined the game!
Amazing how you say it's the ball when most places don't take care of their lanes properly. I know people with balls that are 20 years old. They still bowl great with them never even get a surface and don't clean it.
the video isnt "why you don't bowl great anymore", it talks about the amount of hook. yeah, they bowl great but they arent getting the movement that you'd expect they had early on
@@darrensim295 the strength or weakness of the lane has to do with curve if there's no oil the lane is strong you need a weak ball a plastic ball will hook when the lane is weak you need a stronger ball it has to match your using the wrong ball don't let people destroy your ball just get another one that 20 year old ball has its purpose your ball won't last that long if you stimulate throwing it 1000 rolls on it before you even threw it once
yeauea
An interesting marketing tactic to show how little durability a product has. Imagine if a car company pointed out how their cars fall apart after 3 years and then mentioned their great repair rates. Bowlers need to be calling out storm and other companies for their products that fall apart after 1 season. There is no reason this needs to happen, just like your cars tires don't need to fall off after you buy it. Storm clearly understands the problem, but doesn't care
I'm sure it isn't that easy to make a hooking ball not obsorb oil and/or that doesnt change surface after being thrown lol
@@TheFoodReview yeah and it isn't easy to make a car that won't rust in 3 years. That's why they're supposed to be the best and brightest. There are more durable ball companies than others and storm is about bottom of the barrel...the video explains how the balls die after 1 season
So you are complaining that you have to clean your equipment? You are upset that there is responsibility on your end to maintain your products? Do you not have to change the oil in your car so it continues to function as intended? Do you need to put fuel in it so it continues to drive? Poor analogy. From the beginning there has always been cleaning products for your bowling equipment, because ALL balls need to be maintained or you WILL see a noticeable difference in performance.
Storm Bowling - This is exactly your problem Storm. A customer is vocalizing a problem, and you put the blame on them for buying your product.
@@S.Clause because they re right. Material, no matter what, that skids over another material will grind each other down.
Because I'm afraid to have my thumb stick in the ball
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