Having fun with a 15+ yr old home PC
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- In this video we're goingto be covering this HP Pavillion 5000 that I got for free with another PC.
The most "modern" system that I had up until this point was an Athlon XP 1700+, but that all changed with this one here. With an AMD Athlon 64 3700+ this is probably the fastest machine covered so far on the channel.
Lets see what this home PC can do ....
00:00 - Introduction
02:11 - What you typically see on the channel
03:11 - Introducting the Paviliion
06:11 - Starting her up
07:20 - The internals
08:44 - The Athlon64 3700+
10:48 - The motherboard
12:12 - The videocard
14:16 - Software journey
15:15 - Carmageddon 2
16:03 - 3D Mark 99
17:11 - Midtown Madness
18:13 - Age of Empires
19:04 - Colin McRae Rally
20:25 - Total Annihilation & StarCraft
21:27 - Rally Trophy
22:36 - Grand Theft Auto III
23:29 - Colin McRae Rally 2.0
24:40 - Quake 3
25:20 - Outro
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This is definitely a "Media Center" PC of the mid-late 2000's, with a built-in TV tuner and Windows XP Media Center Edition.
I remember seeing lots of these back in the day... They later came with Vista Home Premium (which also has the Media Center app).
I wonder if that TV tuner is an analog-only one...
Yes indeed, my sister bought a similar PC from Dixons back then, but more simple. It was definitely not an office pc, these had far less features and also a different case (often small form factor desktop)
Can you install media center on xp pro or do you need media center edition
@@theorangeoctupusdj477 Media Center Edition is a separate SKU of either XP Home or Professional.
Exactly; HP's Pavilion line is/was aimed at your average home user, and generally using cheap-ish components to achieve what they advertised.
This model has that "upgraded" graphics card for it's additional s-video and composite output I'd guess, plus what looks like a TV/radio receiver combo card with an infrared sensor jack for a remote control. It also has basically "all the connectors" common at around the 2000s to interface with your camcorder, digicam, your PDA's sd-card, etc...
I had one that I bought used at a thrift store about 8 years ago-no longer have it. Yes,it has/had an analog only tuner.
I love XP machines. A great compromise for playing older games.
I have quite a few of those. Would be happy if somebody paid like 20-30 euros for such machines, so I don't have to throw them away.
These kinds of XP systems are underrated for scratching retro itch. I got one that runs basically everything between Diablo1 and Crysis. Beautiful wide range. And dirt cheap usually. And as they have still a Floppy connector, 2 IDE channels AND SATA as well as USB you can use them as a great hub system to get data from older systems/media or to older systems/media. (yes i know you do simply use networking for that but I am a bit more primitive in my methods. *waves zipdisk around* )
zipdisk, heh. Back in the day we called that "Sneakernet 2.0."
yeah, I used to have a lot of older computer games and they ran good on these systems
With all those video ports, card reader and FireWire I think it s more a `multimedia PC` rather than an regular `office PC`. My 2c.
Changed the title / thumbnail to home PC :) Someohow I always associate these boring grey computers with office settings :) I stopped using PCs just after Y2K.
@@RetroSpector78 Meanwhile, I have a challenge for you: install Windows 3.1, 95, Windows 98 on some very new desktop computer. I have Windows 3.11, 95 & 98 running fine (with drivers) on a Ryzen 3900X & a motherboard with 2 classic PCI slots. No emulation. I use a Voodoo 3 3000 PCI as primary video card - which has drivers even for Windows 3.1, and a PCI-E VIA 6212 for USB in Windows 98/95.
@@O_mores which motherboard are you using?
@@mirific87 www.pinzaru.ro/7276/unboxing-x470-motherboard-with-2-classic-32bit-pci-slots/
@@RetroSpector78 At 1:15 .. What is Retro and what no?????
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Well.. for the consideration of the retro computers community..
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Lest take a look to what the American Collectors (americancollectors ▪️ com) says in..
the article "vintage-vs-classic-vs-antique" in 2020...
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A car Manufactured before 1990 is "A Classic".. (and more of 20 years old)
A car Manufactured before 1975 is "An Antique".. (and more of 45 years old)
And Vintage is a car made in the first 11 years of the automobile industry.. between 1919 - 1930..
Leaving as "not specified" the manufactured between 1990 - 2020..
and like "Prototypes and non-industrialized" the ones before 1919..
So we have... 1919 - 2020 = 101 years
11 years = Vintage = 11%
45 years = Antique = 45%
15 years = Classic = 15%
30 years = not specified = 30%
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If we transfer that to Computers..
.. and we take 1976 with the creation of CP/M and MS-DOS.. and Intel 8080.. and Wozniak apple-1 like a start..... and until today (45 years)..
then we have...
11% (4 years) will be 1976 - 1980 = Vintage
(sounds about right)
45% (20 years) will be 1981 - 2000 = An Antique
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15% (7 years) will be 2000 - 2007 = A Classic ??
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30% (14 years) will be 2008 - 2021 = not specified ??
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Lovely video!
I think its kinda a pity that these "trashy office pc's" dont get any love at all. They might not be as interesting as some older classics, but they are still part of history and can be very fun indeed!
i love these boxes lol
Agreed 100%, I try to salvage as many of these old mid 00's - mid 2010's PCs as I can when I goto the local recycle drop off, clean them up, give them sensible but upgrades if needed, install fresh copies of XP SP3, and sell them on as retro gaming machines, or if they are good enough(new enough) I install Manjaro Mate Linux, or Solus Linux on them for more modern daily use, as I can't stand Win10.
That PC is beautiful... not only does it look great, that set is loaded with practically every feature one could want. ; - )
Thanks for sharing, RetroSpector78
No fan spin no computering, that's what Louis taught me.
Rally Trophy from Finland! 😎 We still play that at our retro-lanparties 😅
I remember repairing a few of these. :)
I believe the Pavilion line was a home/home office machine. The "office" or "business machines" were these en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_business_desktops -- Also repaired some of those unfortunately. :)
Indeed. Changed the title / thumbnail. Have a nice HP dual Xeon that will definitely be more business oriented that I might feature at some point :)
It sure is :) Will get its video soon.
@@RetroSpector78 oooh, a beefy z-series workstation? :D
In 2010 when I was starting to collect retro computers from the 90s, a 15 year old PC was from 1995. I definitely considered a 2005 PC as retro today. We were still using single core CPUs back then.
My own Windows XP machine is a similar vintage, an Athlon 64 x2 4800+, watercooled. It's the most modern 'old' PC in my collection. Nice build, especially getting it for free.
nice
Have you tried to install Windows 11 bypassing the system requirements? In theory it could run because it’s an x64 processor
@@paum2 I'm keeping the system specifically as win xp box and have no interest in running anything more modern on it.
@@fnglert it was only to see if it would run. Of course, if it runs, it will be really slow
@@paum2 I strongly doubt w11 will run on 2gb ram. Not even sure it'll run on 4.
The whole "is it vintage or not" thing is hard to judge. It's like a couple years ago when I saw an antique license plate on a '86 Olds Cierra. Was a pure "what the F***" moment.
That's basically what a XP machine built by HP is right now. A mid '80's olds or buick.
6200 is a fantastic card! I love it. Passive and lot's of power!
That cpu brings back memories. Was the first one i had for socket 939 back in those times and it overclocked quite well.
I'm ready for the day agp cards get remade or even improved. Gddr6 agp card hahaha would be amazing
Usually these systems where sold with a keyboard (actually keyboard/mice combo with associated dongle) and other accessories such as a remote for the internal tv tuner card. The .be is most likely a marking to provide a Belgian style keyboard in the package.
Carmaggedon 2 playing Iron Maiden song "Man on the edge"!! Classic!!
2021 on win 10 and I still play TA, StarCraft and AofE ;D Those games never get tired.. :D I also enjoy Mech Warrior (in various versions)
Just played through StarCraft and Mech Warrior 2 in the last year.
My family bought a variant of one of these brand new in 2006.This was my 1st pc that I really built my currently has one an ssd, upgraded ram and upgraded and psu running win 10. I still use it today because of the av inputs. The video card is so useful, Used it to convert hours of family VHS videos
For me the early athlon xp systems is where "retro" ends for me. That is more of a wavy dotted line though. This is due to the fact that my college PC was an athlon xp 2100 and it was the last computer I built as a "kid".
same here , I used my Barton 3200 athlon xp to 2011 -it died then i rewied by lowering clockspeeds -it run at about 900 mhz at the end , I really thinking of getting the old xp athlon back so I can start mapping in in unrael tournament again properly and not use the sucky windows 10 ( display drivers suck for the game and win 10 rights create problem with maps) - + windows 10 destroyed all feeling for the game and gave me huge mouselag - maybe it shared interrups - who knows - i hate widows 10
Please make more videos about this type of computers, they are also retro :-)
excellent video...i like that computer as well ..thanks retro spector...your channel has taught me loads...
I love the video. Keep doing more of these. I had a Geforce 6100 onboard with 512mb and loved it. For most games it worked great. I eventually replaced it with a PowerColor AMD Radeon HD 7850 with 2gb.
I've heard many stories of people pulling out their AMD CPU through the socket when trying to remove the heatsink. It also happened to me many years ago with a brand new Phenom II CPU that I spent a lot of money on... I was able to fix the pins, but it was utterly terrifying when it happened.
Aah I remember fixing those machines, from memory they like blowing power supplies sometimes but we’re quite good.
Also heard that ... have a camera on hand should it ever pop :)
It was really pleasant to watch your take on hardware somewhat more modern than your usual stuff. You really made a very interesting video out of it and would be absolutely OK with me if you do another similar episode from time to time.
Glad you enjoyed it! Have more content like this in the pipeline as I am exploring some of the Athlon / Duron / Pentium 4 type stuff.
I have a XP pc from around 2002, that was used by my grandma, my dad and me until the mid 2010s. It has a floppy drive, CRT monitor and a broken ball mouse. Apart from the mouse, everything still works, and I sometimes use it to play some old games like Pinball, or just to admire Windows XP
Thx for the video and glad to hear you enjoyed this little system.
I have two similar ones in the collection as a matter of fact (a W5360.be and a M7380.be), both with a pentium D920 CPU. I've upgraded one of them with 4 gigs of ram, an ATI Radeon HD4890 graphics card and a 320gb personal media drive I found locally. It has quickly grown into my go to machine if I want to play some of my retro pc games of that era
I have a shortage of semi-decent period-correct videocards for this build. Don't wanna stress the CPU so needs to be without the PCIE plug. Think I have a GTX-750 or GT- as a non-time-period semi-decent choice.
I have the same board. It's possible to solder on the missing sata ports (and capacitors next to them) if you want the full set of them. They couldn't even bother to disable them in the bios :)
Excellent video, really useful.
Interesting to see an Anatel logo on the Wireless Networking card, that's the telecomunications authority here in Brazil, and this card has the approval to be used here too.
But most probably this machine came with a 17 inch CRT display, HP sold computers from this era or even a bit longer still with CRT displays. I renember once a Core 2 Duo with a 17 inch CRT, which wasn't even flat screen, brand new in 2008.
Great video of a cool old PC!
Meet 16! It's the new 20!
The first Athlon 64 came out in 2003 or 18 years ago, that's almost 20.
@@Tom2404 It was like yesterday! Love the video and the channel, keep up the great work.
@@alpburak ?
@@Tom2404 The processor in this machine has a date at the very end of 2005 (46th week). The machine was therefore likely built in the first quarter of 2006. So it's only 15 years old.
Great! Amazing job, thank you!
Thanks for showing Rally Trophy. As a fan of the old Ford Escort I used to play this a lot but had forgotten the name.
Great pc. That chassis helps a lot too
You young folks really make me laugh! I started with a Tandy Color Computer one, (which I still have).
Never ceases to amaze me the level of tech coming out of CZ
Great video, dude! Don't worry what people think retro is. One of my favourite systems is my dual 8800GTX.
Heh. I still have an 8800GTS card. I used it a year ago in my new Intel machine I built. I didn't wanna take the videocard out of my still working FX8350 I was building this PC to replace, and remembered I had this ancient 8800GTS kicking around. Thing still worked after 10 years sitting around.
Just bought a new-in-the -box socket 754 board today. I'm currently checking every day for bargains on nice socket 478, 754 or 939 stuff. Offers on these things are starting to get rarer but prices are still mostly low. I had a high end Northwood HT P4 at the time that lasted me quite long. Yet I always wanted to try out the AMD 64 alternatives at the time, but of course I didn't have the coin to do so. Now I finally can. And all these platforms have such an interesting history. Some things we take for granted today, like hyperthreading, x64 or dual channel memory, have been introduced on these platforms and really made a difference besides raw computing power.
I have received a ton of AMD 64 / Athlon and Intel P4 boards a while back ... going to start playing with them soon. It's an era I am not really familiar with but eager to learn :)
Very cool video. In 2005 I upgraded my G4 quicksilver to a G5 Quad, I loved that machine but the coolest pumps seized which is a known issue. I also had a Compaq amd64 from a few years earlier and this reminded me of having fun trying to install Linux in that machine. Every Era of computing is worth taking a look at imo. 🖖LLAP
i like pcs like that. after all, most people are going to have childhood memories attached to a machine like this, instead of a high end gaming rig that most kids did not have in their early childhood.
The Athlon 64 has to be my favourite Processor, coming from an Intel fan. I have a Socket 754 Windows XP Battlestation with the first revision Athlon 64 3200+ from 2003. You can still run 32 bit Windows 10 and even modern 64 bit Linux on it.
Yeah I think it is a pretty decent CPU ... pretty high clockrate. Just received a Pentium 4 so might put that one head-to-head.
@@RetroSpector78 It'll crush any P4 of a comparable clock
64-bit Windows 10 won't run? Some instructions are missing? 🤔 Windows 7 64bit works for sure, as I was using it on my Athlon 64 3500+ back in the days.
It would be interesting to check how this 15 year old machine works in a modern OS
@@kkolakowski it lacks the CMPXCHG16B as well as LAHF/SAHF instructions. It's a requirement for 64Bit Windows since 8.1.
@@AlfredRusselWallace agreed. I souped up a retro PC my uncle had, it was P4HT.. I was really regretting it and was BEGGING for athlon XP 64 (or better yet the x2 version)
Lovely! It's amazing, because actually I have the exact same motherboard. I have to swapped into an HP 5150MT and I also recorded the process, unfortunately It wasn't ended well by the time when I did it because an error on the motherboard it self but with some tricks it worked. This types of PCs Athlon 64, Pentium 4 and others CPU's around 2004-2006 are excellent options to put an old System that runs every type of old games. Even doing a multi boot with some other older OS's would worked just fine.
It is also funny that I had the same exact error with Colin MCrae Rally, the past me figured it out but the present me don't remember how I did it 😅, also with CMrC Rally 03 I had some issues with the audio and I remember that using an older version of the game ended up fixing it.
Amazing video.
holy crap it has a tv and fm tuner, I would have loved that on my old HP
Thats my kind of PC. I love pc hardware in general but these types are some of my favourites.
i like those older ones i have one similar to that and still running good to there great dident know it was that old
I have the small version of this. I found it in a trash can and it runs xp. Was used until 2012, so chrome was installed and I can browse the internet fairly well with it, even youtube works!
In the same bag was the matching lcd monitor and wireless keyboard with receiver. The white mouse that came with it was broken, but I later found the matching mouse for that wireless set!
It's my main xp build
I LOVE Starcraft!! It is my favorite RTS of all times :)
I gave my 15ish yr old pc to my neighbor. He used it for a yr or so, fixed it up a bit and gave it to his best friend. I wish I still had it. It was my first computer.
I have two systems from the era both Pentium 4 but their quite different. My oldest is a 2002 Medion system from Aldi with a built-in tv tuner card and it has a front I/O bay with a similar sort of design like this HP system. My other system is an 2004 pentium 4 with an Asus P4P800 board. The biggest difference between them is that the Medion system is 100% IDE with a proper 2 drive capable floppy controller whereas the Asus board is a SATA/IDE hybrid with support for only 1 floppydrive. These transitional era early SATA systems can be a pain in the butt with IDE legacy support when mixed with SATA drives. Back in the day I used that Asus system with a SATA harddrive and IDE optical drives, Nowerdays I only use it with IDE devices. Some of the OS’s of the time didn’t like SATA so it was easier to stick with only IDE. They are nice systems for running older software and using them for certain tasks like imaging 3.5” floppies as these still had onboard floppy controllers. I still quite like these I/O media front panels, they where quite handy sadly trends in sleeker, stylisher computer designs have made these go away.
These older pc’s have so much character that is missed in newer and older systems. Older is all beige boxes. Newer is all black boxes. These 2000’s systems are unique and so cool looking especially Compaq’s in my opinion.
I concur with your interest in Pentium III and older, just feels like the sweet spot of computing
There was a nice looking Advent Pentium 4 Prescott that I saved from being kerbsided for the binmen with a very nice ASRock i865G motherboard inside. I initially refurbed it with 2GB of DDR 400 memory, an XFX 6600 GT, Sound Blaster Audigy SB0090, and other bits and pieces to make it a complete system, with an installation of Windows XP Pro SP3. It's performance was OK, but felt sluggish, while also being very loud and a hand dryer round the back.
I then went on to build a similar system in a different ATX case with a Socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 4800+, and an ECS nForce3-A939 motherboard, using the same graphics, sound and other key parts from the Pentium 4 rebuild. The difference in performance and responsiveness was so much better, while also being so much cooler and quieter.
Ended up repurposing the Advent case for a Pentium III 800EB 98se/2K build, with an FX 5600 and a SB Live! SB0060, paired with a matching HP silver & black LED backlit LCD monitor, keyboard & mouse, along with a pair of logitech Z120 speakers powered by the USB hub built into the monitor. Then used a Belkin KVM with audio to hook up the Athlon 64 X2 rebuild to the same setup, giving me access to a nice cross section of Windows XP, 2K & 98se games and software across the two machines up to around 2003 with DirectX 9.0a.
nVidia drivers used:
56.64 for 98se
93.71 for 2K & XP
Great review, reminds me of the HP Pavilion 7740 (or something like that), a small factor pc that I bought when Vista was released. It performed well although HP occupied it with only two 512 mb sticks (1GB memory (wooooow)) and there was no room for expansion on the motherboard as it only had two memory banks available. I upgraded it later with two 1 GB sticks bought @ "Het Computerwinkeltje" when the system was already obsolete for gaming but it did do all the rest without a hassle. I sold it to a tennis club later on for their administration were it ran for several years after...aaah..Vista...I ran it without problems all that time although the UAC could be annoying sometimes ;-)
Will there be a Matrox M3D video soon ?
It’s on the list. Have to finish up some stuff here first. Have some holiday planned in august so will have some more time then.
I have a lot of P4's.
My IBM netvista (p4 1800) is a w98se pc, the IBM thincentre (p4 3000) XP machine, 2 compaq amd x2's XP, Medion intel p4 2600 and 3200ht, 6 P4 home build PC's.
I have 4 working p3's, 1 p1 166 and a Brother V30 xt.
It's retro. Unthreaded.
If you start with the hobby Pentium 4 is perfect.
I am so happy that i collected driver cd/dvd's, Crazy Bytes, Twilight, Winwares and some DOS CD/DVD's.
I've had lots of memories with an HP Pavilion m7350n with 2 GB of ram. It looks similar, and also has an NVidia GeForce 6200SE TurboCache, an analog video capture card, a lightscribe dvd writer and a secondary dvd rom drive, and memory card slots. The main difference is that it has a Pentium D 920 processor as opposed to an Athlon 64.
Hey I still have my system I built back in 2005 which I used all the way up to 2017. It's been upgraded to a 2 core AMD X64 running at 3.0 Ghz and 2 XFX Radeon 7850 1 Gig GPU. Everything is on an Asus M2R32MVP mainboard. Very solid board.
@RetroSpector You can preheat heatsink carefullly using hairdryier and then pull it and gently twist side by side at the same time... It often helps in removing "glued" CPU to the heatsink...
Omg I had that pc... Was definitely marketed as a media center pc. Mine had an Intel viiv processor though. You should have put XP MCE on it as that's what it shipped with :D
This pc will continue to amaze you! In mine i have the 2.4ghz dual core version of that cpu and I stuck in a 2gb radeon 5570 and a ssd, windows 7 64bit and suprisingly i got 6gb of ram recognized and working on this system (even though the mobo specs say 4gb max!) 1x 4gb ddr2 @400 and 1x 2gb ddr2 @400. It makes me wonder if i got 4x4gb ddr2 @400 if i can pump the system upto 16gb ram!!!
I just barely picked up an old HP a445w P4 system complete for 5 bucks. Had the same initial issue where it would power up, spin the fans, flash lights, and and then die within 3 seconds. Everything looked fine but the power button was extra floaty feeling. Took the front panel off and it's the same style of weird plastic springs. In my case it was the switch portion itself being dirty and not the outer case button but got it working just fine after some cleaning.
10:44 The RAM sticks are both on the same channel, so no dual channel memory. Hopefully this was fixed in reassembly.
Have a beautiful IBM 5150 PC early 80s which was expensive. And it run still perfect every day almost 40 years.
But i like always the C64, AMIGA 500 and the AMIGA 1200. For me that is retro and i’m a big fan of the Motorola 68030 / 50MHz CPU.
Is that an IBM PC 330 in the background? Can't wait for a video on that one.
Where was that hiding... I've got one of those to play around with... The P75 model upgraded with a P133 I had lying around
@@matthewday7565 In the very beginning of the video, top right corner, sitting on top of a PS/2... BTW, what you have is the exact config I had back in the day. I am looking to buy one locally but they have gotten pricey!
@@djdjukic Oh yes, I see the slide door
Pavilions weren't usually business machines, those were sold as home computers. Business computers were usually in the Vectra line or the HP-Compaq / Evo series at that time.
My grandparents had a Pavilion a1600n which had the same case.
Yeah should probably change the title / thumbnail… replace office with boring :)
Went with home :)
I miss my pc like it. I still have the media remote. Windows media center was pretty cool on that rig.
Try an X2 or opteron.
I have more nostalgia for games from 2004-2007 or so then the pc hardware, so it's still nice to have a computer that can play those games. Colin mc rae rally 2 has been a difficult game to get working with all the graphics sett to max. The game will quickly become incompatble with the hardware from my experience.
That board will support the Socket 939 X2 dual cores and will make it significantly better running. I found my HP like yours to be very useful for many years of gaming, with it ending with a HD5830 graphics card which was plenty of power for games that could still run on a dual core. Be careful though, there is a Microsoft OS update which will brick these computers. It was a socket 939 issue on HP computers specifically, and I do not think it was ever resolved beyond blocking the update manually from installing.
I used to have a box like this. It was a hp pavilion a1547c (for some reason that model number is burned into my memory). Had it up until like 2012 when a capacitor blew off of the motherboard. Even bought a 9500gt for the damn thing too.
age of empires one of the best games ever made played it to death
I have something similar, an a64 x2 2gb ddr2 and a gf6800 gt AGP.
Runs Everything!
But for older stuff i still use my p3 and gf4 ti.
I had a similar model with a Intel P4 and a geforce 7400 gs if I'm remembering correctly. Those systems usually had a recovery partition to restore everything to factory. Mine came with a version of windows XP that I had never heard of, Media Center Edition, and the sticker said windows vista compatible (with 1 GB of ram). I am guessing that one also should have come with it if the TV Tuner and ports are stock to get the most out of those
This case... this is my childhood WinXP PC!!!! But i dont exactly recall the specs of mine unfortunately. I thought that i had a intel cpu.
I remember starting pc gaming and being on the internet on mine around 2007
In my memory HP Pavilion series was intended for home use, and the machine shown in this video is not an office PC actually. TV tuner cards and FireWire ports were common on early-to-mid 2000s home entertainment PCs.
I picked up a slightly older Pavilion (a610n, Athlon XP) from the Thrift store for cheap a few weeks ago. It's a solid XP machine, better than I expected, anyway. It refused to boot claiming the CPU Fan had failed, and had clearly never been opened because it was clogged with dust. I cleaned it up, and found F2 skipped the forced shutdown from the "Fan failure" and after replacing the CMOS Battery the error just went away, popped in some Memory I had lying around, and I slapped in my AGP Radeon All-in-Wonder 9000 and it's been good as gold since. Also, what is with people leaving their Data on these machines? The one I got had invoices, bank statements, photos, scans of id and birth certificate and stuff like that on it...
I have actually started my retro computing hobby with similar age Pentium 4 machine with an awful and half dead FX GPU. Over time I maanged to fing GT 7500 with AGP port which ended up being really great card to play everything rather well, older or newer for 2005
that video input as you called it looks very much like a tv card
I think the .be is to denote it's a Belgian localised version, with the OS being in Dutch and that. As for Colin McRae Rally 2 on a Pentium II, I couldn't help but smile hearing you say it doesn't run so well on higher settings; it barely runs even with the settings at their lowest. I tried it and it's a complete meme lol.
On machines like this, I used to trash the chassis and transfer the board into a standard mATX chassis. I kind of hated the 939 sockets because they were between the AM2 and the AM3 based systems and I stopped using them as a replacement board. These old pavilion systems used to be so frustrating to use because the external hard drive bay only used a HP hard drive which was impossible to find. never came across a unit with the drive included thus having to switch chassis.... they did support Linux, so these old motherboards can still be used....
More like 15 years old, the CPU is already from week 46 of 2005.
I was about to say something related. There's no way that case design is from 2001!
True .... Give or take 20 years :) Looks and sounds better than 15.4 :)
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job for Bruce Willis
Nobody cares - rly...
I had the slightly later model that used a Core 2 Duo and had Vista bolted into it. Not a bad little piece of kit, slapped a 9500GT in it and it lasted me until 2013
Also check out the HP recovery partition when you get the chance, one of the bloatware apps came loaded with a few licensed games (never anything terribly interesting, but a free copy of Bejeweled was great back in the day 😂)
rectification, you CAN use integred video out BUT only if no graphics card are on pc
I had a graphical problem like that with xp & 6200, the only way to get around it was to use earlier version of the nvidia driver, the last few versions compatible with the 6200 were always completely messed up for me. I vaguely remember version around 280 or maybe lower working. It's been a while and your issue obviously could be something else.
I have one of those with an e8400 core 2 duo and a 7800gtx has the same hp media expansion bays its a decent xp Era gamer
It originally had a 7300 gt I still have it
Ughhh Bestec power supplies. Seeing one again brings back horrific memories 😅 on a lighter note, with a BIOS upgrade I wonder if you could get first gen Athlon X2 CPUs working in this.
The background music in that gameplay footage of Carmaggeddon 2 is a song by Iron Maiden, so you might get pulled up on that for copyright.
In that case I'll have to re-upload with the song muted and screaming the lyrics myself while looking at the intro :)
@@RetroSpector78 The intro is fine, it's the race background music that's the issue.
Windows XP is much more stable than windows 98 and easier to find drivers and peripherals for. Also while I did play PC games in the 90s I didn’t build my own until the early XP days so I’m just much more used to working on an XP or Windows 7 machine than something from the 90s pre USB and AGP. That said Windows 98 is needed for some games, but it has definitely aged worse than XP as an OS.
Neat, looks like what my Dad used only his had a Pentium D
yeah these came in lots of different configurations
Some of your graphical issues could relate to the Geforce 6200. The Geforce 6 series dropped some legacy graphics options such as palettized texture support and table fog which affect some older games. ATI dropped this even earlier with the Radeon 9x00 series (with some exceptions) For this reason, the Geforce FX series (or PCX 5xxx as you would need in that system) are amongst the best legacy gaming cards - despite not being the best cards in their contemporary time.
I STILL play Total Annihilation ha! Seemed like even back then, nobody knew about that game! In my opinion it was the best RTS game of its day. I loved Starcraft as well (still play), and AOE (still play updated AOE2 Definitive edition).. but Total Annihilation was insanely moddable. You could play on massive maps. Eventually as cpus/gpus got fast you could play with 1000... or even 5000 unit limits!
oh hey my grandma's old windows vista media centre pc uses... seemingly the exact same case, just in black instead of grey/silver
Yep you see these around a lot , usually free or dirt cheap.
Great
Hi, just as a challenge, try to install Win98SE on it. Also, do a test video with this system but with a FX 5200 instead, you'll see it plays a lot more older games than 6200.
Retro computer: anything that can't run Windows 11.
yeah, you just have to be patient :)
Hey I had a computer like that doom a relatively. Crashed all the time on Linux though
Been thinking about doing a video on linux on a more "modern" system like this ... but stopped using Linux after 2001. I guess at around the time this PC came out Fedora / Suse were pretty popular and Ubuntu just got on the scene (2004 I think ?)
@@RetroSpector78 I was using Gentoo in the early 2000s (and still do), when it was the new thing everyone wanted to try. Unfortunately, I don't think you'll find the distfiles or stage tarballs to do a retro Gentoo installation. I even ran distcc to distribute the builds.
Cooler pulling the CPU is classic AMD, even happens to me on newer Ryzen processors.