I remember Baiken (secret boss) being theorized of being 'that man' (and that man being a mistranslation) as people though she only appeared in Sol Arcade story if you beat it without any continue
Why the f is Kliff's ending so freaking sad?! The man had to kill his step son, defeat an almost undefeatable gear,and then dies after succes. *That is just straight up brutal* (To be honest onpy completed the game as Axl)
@@jml5227 I'm still stuck on Stage 9 Sol. That one fight took me from a button mashing noob to being actually competent at a fighting game for the first time outside Soul Calibur 3. I actually learned to play defense well because he forced me to lol. Playing GGX Advance in GG1 mode for the only other Missing Link style game lately and it's astonishing how good I got by repeatedly beating my head against the original Daisuke wall for a few days. I can do 50 rounds in GG1 mode survival easy enough but I still can't quite beat Arcade Sol in the real thing lmao. Also holy shit GGXA has no business being that damn good as both GGX and a pseudo Missing Link 2 with three versions of every character and an extensive custom recolor option for every one of them, on the GBA. That's as impressive as the anime come to life visuals of Fighterz and Strive in its own insanely ambitious way imo.
@@zeroattentiongaming820 i played GGX+ with a translation web site to understand the story mode, and when I saw the branching stories it blew my mind away. And the fact that a lot of them had consistency in what happened with each character (Zato/Millia/Venom stories as an example) was the cherry on top.
Even worse than that: Kliff is so heartbroken, that even completely brainwashed, Testament can’t help but _apologize_ for the hell he put his father through
Sol: Wife gone. Ky: Did I really do the right thing? Kliff: Finally, my stepson is free. Although, I may have pushed myself too far. Millia: I’m probably better off living in self exile for now. Axl: Guess no matter what timeline I’m in, I can make friends anywhere. May: Johnny! Chipp: I will continue training to avenge my master. Potemkin: FOR THE FREEDOM OF ZEPP! Faust: W-What was that vague memory just now? Zato: Death by my own shadow? Impossible!
This game is so raw. Even the goofier endings like Millia's and May's carry legitimate emotional weight and pathos, this game is underrated for creating characters with struggles, pain and a real humanity to them.
+R is my personal favorite in the series, but as rough around the edges Missing Link may be there's a real refreshing honesty and passion put into it. I think that's why the game managed to spawn a franchise
The Justice intro may well be one of the greatest moments in fighting game history. I LOVE how well it's synced to the music! But wow actually seeing all the endings, these are surprisingly well done and fit into Guilty Gear's future lore much better than I expected. AND now I finally realize Ky's ending here is quoted in that Guilty Gear X anime clip! Neat!
so, when faust went on his murder spree, he was actually thinking he was healing people? why the fuck don't more people talk about this? it puts a completely new perspective on his character!
That means i wouldn't completly blame him for his actions if he was out of it, Poor guy. It's much easier to redeem him than someone like Zato who killed people on purpose. And Testament was being mind controlled and forced against their will, its not their fault too. Very redeemable.
"This birthday party was held just to revive Justice. Everyone invited. I've duped them all. Now it's time to end this comedy." For some reason, I see Testament's evil monologue becoming a meme.
But Zato totally deserved what happened in his ending. And if you look at the bigger picture, Faust (Funny how nobody calls him "dr baldhead) did get a good ending... better than remaining a schizophrenic serial killer forever.
For those curious about the GGX2 Story and Endings, the whole video of it will come out soon! (9hrs long video, and 1hr long video) There's also full review I've been working on for more than a month already, hopefully you'll enjoy it if you plan on watching it :)
I applaud your efforts to make this video. I could barely beat Justice with only 3 characters. You did the whole roster. I takes me beyond 30 tries or I give up on the others since Justice's instant kill always gets me or her violent chest death beam.
Thanks! Usually, in fighting games, I tend to practice mostly every character and try to get all of their endings as much as possible. But man, it's not like I'm good with every character. Kinda like Axl, it took me like 2 hours of non-stop retries just to beat Justice, I know how it feels trying to beat Justice. Justice's spammable special chest death beam of hers (can do 3x in a row, it's crazy) was an insane boss fight to deal with. One of the hardest fighting game boss I've ever dealt with believe me. This is just an extra, but umm... If you like to know more about the first Guilty Gear game, I made a full review out of it, that covers every bit of the game possible :) you could try checking it out on my channel if you wanna
I managed to beat the game with all characters and it was extremely hard with some of them. Justice gets more aggressive as life goes down and there's this "hidden" mechanic that gives characters infinite overdrives, when they start flashing a red aura. Justice abused of this and loved to spam the overdrive.
If you get a knockdown with any character, you can keep walking up as they're knocked down, walk just out of range right as they get up, and then throw them. Loop forever, works with every character.
my favorites are sol, ky and kliff. like, all 3 feel so connected to this whole fight, Kliff even more than Sol. Zato is sad, and so kinda is Faust, altough i feel bad for Zato more.
@@A_B_1917, unfortunately, yeah, The GGX Plus version even has a gallery, mission mode, and even both Justice and Kliff there. Not sure why some games in JP have more content into it compared to the translated versions.
@@exterminator6935 If I remember it correctly... You gotta set in the "Guilty Gear Mode" on the options to have their black and gold characters, then press a specific button or something. The Guilty Gear mode is really difficult to pull off though. Gotta have to beat that 100 level survival mode, I only got lucky beating it with Faust. His spam attack can really confuse the AI that badly
╭( ･ㅂ･)و ̑̑ ＂ I'm currently working on a new full review of Guilty Gear X! Comparing the game to its predecessor (Guilty Gear, PS1), and pointing out the pros and cons as a fighting game. It might take me weeks of analysis and consideration on every aspect of the game, but I'll be accurate to point out the details on this one! Especially when this game had a huge step compare to their first game I noticed!
Hey Guys, I made a full review of the game over here ( ruclips.net/video/hKkJyaYzr-I/видео.html ) on the PS1. Hopefully you'll like my detailed review of the game, as I showed most of everything that the game has to offer before :)
whoever makes the PAL versions did a horrible thing to this game. when I played it, the "heaven or hell" intro had different letter format and the only existing cutscenes were the endings. all other dialogs and the Justice intro were removed.
Nah, I think not all of the endings here are canon. As far as I could remember... Sol was the one who's able to finish off Justice in the end. Some of the other endings like Ky Kiske, May, and Kliff are kinda like a half-canon thing. Except they weren't the ones who've beaten Justice in the end of course. But some of the parts of their ending did happened, like when Ky Kiske ends up questioning his own beliefs
The manga on the strive website had both sol and ky's endings happen with them both being present, and then it showed the last shots of the other endings happened
Sol canonically killed Justice, but Ky was able to get some words in with Justice, where her speech causes Ky to question her beliefs. Most of the other endings happen regardless, like Johnny busting out of jail, Eddie possessing Zato, or Millia gaining a fan. The only ending that's not even remotely canon is Kliff's, but that's because Justice just flat out killed him during the tournament.
Thanks for the video! Better at speed x0.75 at my opinion. If someone read me I have a question about the scenario : If I understand correctly, Testament organized the tournament, pretending it was an initiative from the United Nations to select the best fighters for the second Sacred Order. But the real reason behind was to sacrifice strong people in order to give their blood to "ressurect" Justice. Eventually the Testament's plan succeeded and Justice is back. But the fighters wasn't killed? I don't know the other games of the series but I imagine the most of the cast are alive and will go back in the next games? So how is the ressurection of Justice possible?
it's either : A) he probably needed a sample of blood, not a literal sacrifice, so he used the fights between everyone to his own advantage. B) fighting games are wildly criticized whenever huge roster changes are made (i.e soulcalibur v, sf3 new generation, tekken 4 etc.) so they can't really allow the death of most of the cast, especially not when only a handful of characters were introduced in TML, which is why retcons were made in the following games in order to prevent such an outrageous plot.
Pretty sure Baiken was supposed to but the game had development issues so she got converted into a vague secret character. They actually made that into canon, where she didn't take part in the tourney and was off to the side investigating it for connections to That Man.
considering Justice is reffered to as a male, i wonder when Guilty Gear's creator....forget who that is...decided on the big ol' Aria plot twist/point that would become absurdly important by Xrd also, how the fuck did Testament survive basically sacrificing himself to rezz Justice, anyway?
Daisuke stated in an interview he had certain plot points planned all along while others he came up with retroactively. I think he definitely had the general idea of Sol's backstory down early, though he has also stated he didn't start thinking about Aria until Overture
Justice had gender neutral pronouns at the time in the Japanese version, which is why they translated it as a "he", as they didn't really have much of an idea about where to take Justice except for she knew Sol at the time.
@@BestWayKilla Events can be superseded with new information. A retcon would be like saying "Well this is actually canon, and has always been canon." Testament identifying as agender as of Strive isn't contradicting previous information (said info being based off of the Japanese version, since that's the most accurate to what Daisuke had in mind for the story.)
@@gspandem1204 As I tell people who bring this up, Testament was Kliff's son for 2 decades, and they never felt the need to correct the record on that or stress what gender he "identified" as. What changed? Fast forward to the 2020s, and suddenly that matters to a whole bunch of people for some reason, and the devs saw them as a group they could pander to. Strive can make the cast into whatever they want for all the P.R. it'll get them, its faults as a game on general combined with these redesigns have ensured I've long since left it behind. I prefer to remember GG as it was, when it was still metal.
0:00 Sol
3:36 Ky
6:35 Kiff
9:03 Millia
11:43 Axl
14:14 May
17:00 Chipp
19:25 Potemkin
22:14 Faust
24:44 Zato
Remember, his name is Kliff
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5:00 PM Chipp
@@hoboguitar148Moment
I remember the first time i beat Testament and my jaws dropped when i saw that the final boss was A FREAKING HUMAN SIZED GUMDAM!!!
I remember Baiken (secret boss) being theorized of being 'that man' (and that man being a mistranslation) as people though she only appeared in Sol Arcade story if you beat it without any continue
Human sized gundam huh?
aint that Setsuna?
@@JA-Sol- No, Setsuna is Sephiroth with an owl.
The Axl ending fucking tears me up inside, he finally got a decent ending and it was ripped from him.
Don't worry, it all pays out in the end big time for him.
Why the f is Kliff's ending so freaking sad?!
The man had to kill his step son, defeat an almost undefeatable gear,and then dies after succes.
*That is just straight up brutal*
(To be honest onpy completed the game as Axl)
I completed it as Sol and Ky, i tried with Zato, but haven't beaten Justice yet.
@@jml5227 I'm still stuck on Stage 9 Sol. That one fight took me from a button mashing noob to being actually competent at a fighting game for the first time outside Soul Calibur 3. I actually learned to play defense well because he forced me to lol. Playing GGX Advance in GG1 mode for the only other Missing Link style game lately and it's astonishing how good I got by repeatedly beating my head against the original Daisuke wall for a few days. I can do 50 rounds in GG1 mode survival easy enough but I still can't quite beat Arcade Sol in the real thing lmao.
Also holy shit GGXA has no business being that damn good as both GGX and a pseudo Missing Link 2 with three versions of every character and an extensive custom recolor option for every one of them, on the GBA. That's as impressive as the anime come to life visuals of Fighterz and Strive in its own insanely ambitious way imo.
@@zeroattentiongaming820 i played GGX+ with a translation web site to understand the story mode, and when I saw the branching stories it blew my mind away. And the fact that a lot of them had consistency in what happened with each character (Zato/Millia/Venom stories as an example) was the cherry on top.
I beat the game with everyone. I think my least favorite character to play the arcade mode with as either Baldhead or May.
Even worse than that: Kliff is so heartbroken, that even completely brainwashed, Testament can’t help but _apologize_ for the hell he put his father through
Sol: Wife gone.
Ky: Did I really do the right thing?
Kliff: Finally, my stepson is free. Although, I may have pushed myself too far.
Millia: I’m probably better off living in self exile for now.
Axl: Guess no matter what timeline I’m in, I can make friends anywhere.
May: Johnny!
Chipp: I will continue training to avenge my master.
Potemkin: FOR THE FREEDOM OF ZEPP!
Faust: W-What was that vague memory just now?
Zato: Death by my own shadow? Impossible!
Testament: Lol I duped everyone in the tournament
Justice: Ever heard of "That Man"?
Baiken: (Please try again to reach secret encounter)
This game is so raw. Even the goofier endings like Millia's and May's carry legitimate emotional weight and pathos, this game is underrated for creating characters with struggles, pain and a real humanity to them.
+R is my personal favorite in the series, but as rough around the edges Missing Link may be there's a real refreshing honesty and passion put into it. I think that's why the game managed to spawn a franchise
@@hasi706 Hell, I still bust out Missing Link for an occasional arcade playthrough for that very reason.
The Justice intro may well be one of the greatest moments in fighting game history. I LOVE how well it's synced to the music! But wow actually seeing all the endings, these are surprisingly well done and fit into Guilty Gear's future lore much better than I expected. AND now I finally realize Ky's ending here is quoted in that Guilty Gear X anime clip! Neat!
When that eye turns red...
so, when faust went on his murder spree, he was actually thinking he was healing people? why the fuck don't more people talk about this? it puts a completely new perspective on his character!
That means i wouldn't completly blame him for his actions if he was out of it, Poor guy. It's much easier to redeem him than someone like Zato who killed people on purpose.
And Testament was being mind controlled and forced against their will, its not their fault too. Very redeemable.
"This birthday party was held just to revive Justice. Everyone invited. I've duped them all. Now it's time to end this comedy."
For some reason, I see Testament's evil monologue becoming a meme.
I said 'one more present' was required... And I shall bring that present! My cake is all that's needed... Justice will achieve a happy birthday party!
@@bastardblizzard And so, with a grateful smile, the ultimate Gear enjoyed his cake
that is an impressively badass reveal for justice.
Axl's story is soo uplifting I love it
uplifting and sad at the same time
This game reminds us just how old the Guilty Gear franchise actually is.
Going all the way back to the PS1.
25 years old now, over a decade older than i am, and i got into the series only two years ago
Going down a GG lore rabbit hole so this very informative.
you rock!
It is funny to me that almost everyone had a kind of happy ending and then axl, zato and Faust got maximum trolling
I kinda hate that whole "beat the game only to watch your character get F'd over" thing, when that's supposed to be the good ending.
But Zato totally deserved what happened in his ending. And if you look at the bigger picture, Faust (Funny how nobody calls him "dr baldhead) did get a good ending... better than remaining a schizophrenic serial killer forever.
@@felipecosta-kv2fx I didn’t say what zato got was unfair
@@rodrigorosa4419 Good thing we both agree... and i wasn't judging you, sorry if it came off that way
@@felipecosta-kv2fx don’t worry, I didn’t take it as that you were judging
For those curious about the GGX2 Story and Endings, the whole video of it will come out soon! (9hrs long video, and 1hr long video)
There's also full review I've been working on for more than a month already, hopefully you'll enjoy it if you plan on watching it :)
Millia's ending is so fucking funny...
Threw away her cape...😅
Justice's buildup is probably my favorite way to introduce a boss. You KNOW shit got real fast.
I applaud your efforts to make this video. I could barely beat Justice with only 3 characters. You did the whole roster. I takes me beyond 30 tries or I give up on the others since Justice's instant kill always gets me or her violent chest death beam.
Thanks! Usually, in fighting games, I tend to practice mostly every character and try to get all of their endings as much as possible. But man, it's not like I'm good with every character. Kinda like Axl, it took me like 2 hours of non-stop retries just to beat Justice, I know how it feels trying to beat Justice.
Justice's spammable special chest death beam of hers (can do 3x in a row, it's crazy) was an insane boss fight to deal with. One of the hardest fighting game boss I've ever dealt with believe me.
This is just an extra, but umm... If you like to know more about the first Guilty Gear game, I made a full review out of it, that covers every bit of the game possible :) you could try checking it out on my channel if you wanna
The chest beam was something else. It and the clockwise eyebeam
I managed to beat the game with all characters and it was extremely hard with some of them. Justice gets more aggressive as life goes down and there's this "hidden" mechanic that gives characters infinite overdrives, when they start flashing a red aura. Justice abused of this and loved to spam the overdrive.
If you get a knockdown with any character, you can keep walking up as they're knocked down, walk just out of range right as they get up, and then throw them. Loop forever, works with every character.
I tried four characters, sol, axl, zato and may and I could only defeat justice with sol and axl
I can imagine this theme playing for a kid back then, creepy and eerie I bet.
Zato's story is fascinating.
*Let me crave your way intensively*
You could also say that it's... captivating.
"Sol, the Guilty Gear stared at his bloodstained hands and prayed... prayed for the soul of the grotesque sacrifice lying at his feet." 🔥✍📖
The BGM , it's soooo nostalgic. I'm glad I've listened Gg BgM.
That ain't Ky, that’s Simon Belmont 5:50
my favorites are sol, ky and kliff.
like, all 3 feel so connected to this whole fight, Kliff even more than Sol.
Zato is sad, and so kinda is Faust, altough i feel bad for Zato more.
And then zato becomes merkeva from undernight
1:46 this song is so good. What is it
I think it's "The Missing Link", but Sol's ending has a different variation instead. Both sounds really great though!
Here it is ruclips.net/video/feq4ny-zvYI/видео.html
"Beyond the Dark Life"
if only the X games had this much thought and effort into their ''endings"
It's sad they didn't put any effort into the story of it much there. They end up redeeming it on the X2 version of the game instead
Guilty Gear X Plus actually had a straight up story mode.
Sadly, the game was never translated to english.
@@A_B_1917, unfortunately, yeah, The GGX Plus version even has a gallery, mission mode, and even both Justice and Kliff there.
Not sure why some games in JP have more content into it compared to the translated versions.
@@K1PM I still play the Guilty Gear X version still can’t unlock the black and gold characters I did unlock justice and cliff thought
@@exterminator6935 If I remember it correctly... You gotta set in the "Guilty Gear Mode" on the options to have their black and gold characters, then press a specific button or something. The Guilty Gear mode is really difficult to pull off though. Gotta have to beat that 100 level survival mode, I only got lucky beating it with Faust. His spam attack can really confuse the AI that badly
I like how chipp’s just dancing
I knew based from Sol's ending Justice was a woman
Well, Yes. Back then the lore ese a bit more...scarse. But now has a plenty of lore and a lot of stuff has been edited.
@@KillerPoijustice is actually wife sol badguy
I know. Is her clone as the valentines later on.
@@KillerPoi yeah, but valentine also still gear
╭( ･ㅂ･)و ̑̑ ＂ I'm currently working on a new full review of Guilty Gear X! Comparing the game to its predecessor (Guilty Gear, PS1), and pointing out the pros and cons as a fighting game.
It might take me weeks of analysis and consideration on every aspect of the game, but I'll be accurate to point out the details on this one! Especially when this game had a huge step compare to their first game I noticed!
GG1 out here where all the character Ending are simultaneously Canon and Non Canon
11:26 So Cute
3:27 He said it!!
Hey Guys, I made a full review of the game over here ( ruclips.net/video/hKkJyaYzr-I/видео.html ) on the PS1. Hopefully you'll like my detailed review of the game, as I showed most of everything that the game has to offer before :)
whoever makes the PAL versions did a horrible thing to this game. when I played it, the "heaven or hell" intro had different letter format and the only existing cutscenes were the endings. all other dialogs and the Justice intro were removed.
Man, that sucks. It's just a short amount of work to translate those short dialogues, and they didn't bother working on it.
@@K1PM or they could've grabbed the US version and just convert it to PAL, since the US version had everything in check.
You put his name as Kiff but his name is Kliff XD
ohh sht, I didn't notice that one xD thanks for the reminder of it, damn typos
@@K1PM np 😎👍
Ah yes, Kiff Undersn, partner of Zepp Brannigan
What's the song playing in Ky's ending?
I think there's no seperate name for Ky's ending. I tried searching for it, but can't seemed to find it
@@K1PM damn. Thank you for trying
@@jaganshi1753 It's not on youtube, but Arc System Works on spotify has the track on there. It's titled "NO!! -Ky's Ending-"
@@jamgrams3244 awesome! Thank you!
@@jaganshi1753 No prob
Faust tho
I know Faust was a lunatic back then. But after getting his ending again... I didn't expect Faust to be this crazy
Are all the endings canon? If not, which ones are canon?
Nah, I think not all of the endings here are canon. As far as I could remember... Sol was the one who's able to finish off Justice in the end. Some of the other endings like Ky Kiske, May, and Kliff are kinda like a half-canon thing. Except they weren't the ones who've beaten Justice in the end of course. But some of the parts of their ending did happened, like when Ky Kiske ends up questioning his own beliefs
Canonically only Sol beat Testament and Justice
The manga on the strive website had both sol and ky's endings happen with them both being present, and then it showed the last shots of the other endings happened
None of the GG1 endings are canon, but rather bits and pieces of them are while no whole ending is true.
X2 did a lot of retcons.
Sol canonically killed Justice, but Ky was able to get some words in with Justice, where her speech causes Ky to question her beliefs. Most of the other endings happen regardless, like Johnny busting out of jail, Eddie possessing Zato, or Millia gaining a fan. The only ending that's not even remotely canon is Kliff's, but that's because Justice just flat out killed him during the tournament.
What's the name of that theme
which one you're referring to? Is it this one perhaps "Death and Republic"
@@K1PM when they're talking to testament but never mind I found it
@@IsaiahBuchanan175 It is 'Death and Republic'. It probably is on youtube somewhere.
@@maxmercurythemm827 when they're talking to testament
Thanks for the video! Better at speed x0.75 at my opinion.
If someone read me I have a question about the scenario :
If I understand correctly, Testament organized the tournament, pretending it was an initiative from the United Nations to select the best fighters for the second Sacred Order. But the real reason behind was to sacrifice strong people in order to give their blood to "ressurect" Justice. Eventually the Testament's plan succeeded and Justice is back. But the fighters wasn't killed? I don't know the other games of the series but I imagine the most of the cast are alive and will go back in the next games? So how is the ressurection of Justice possible?
it's either :
A) he probably needed a sample of blood, not a literal sacrifice, so he used the fights between everyone to his own advantage.
B) fighting games are wildly criticized whenever huge roster changes are made (i.e soulcalibur v, sf3 new generation, tekken 4 etc.) so they can't really allow the death of most of the cast, especially not when only a handful of characters were introduced in TML, which is why retcons were made in the following games in order to prevent such an outrageous plot.
@@No-mn9do thank you :) I want to believe it's option A, retcon would be sad
Baiken, Testament and Justice don't have arcade story?
Unfortunately yeah, they can't be selected on the arcade mode. Can only be selected on the vs mode or practice mode, iirc
Pretty sure Baiken was supposed to but the game had development issues so she got converted into a vague secret character.
They actually made that into canon, where she didn't take part in the tourney and was off to the side investigating it for connections to That Man.
what justice says to chipp is kind of stupid considering that both their reasoning is identical
So dark.
Some of the story even gets darker on the PS2 version of the game, having different story routes that could lead to a bad end
1.zato
2.sol
3.kliff
considering Justice is reffered to as a male, i wonder when Guilty Gear's creator....forget who that is...decided on the big ol' Aria plot twist/point that would become absurdly important by Xrd
also, how the fuck did Testament survive basically sacrificing himself to rezz Justice, anyway?
TBF their voice sounded female in X2, so even though it was a retcon, it was one going farther back than Overture/Xrd.
Daisuke stated in an interview he had certain plot points planned all along while others he came up with retroactively. I think he definitely had the general idea of Sol's backstory down early, though he has also stated he didn't start thinking about Aria until Overture
As someone said in comments here, Justice pronouns were neutral in the Japanese version so it’s more of a translation error
0:35
GELTONZ
Great game but fuck testament
Justice was originally male?
Justice had gender neutral pronouns at the time in the Japanese version, which is why they translated it as a "he", as they didn't really have much of an idea about where to take Justice except for she knew Sol at the time.
Why is Sol addressing to Justice as Him? Isnt Justice a She???
Because there's no "he/she" in japanese, and translators can't see the future?
Poor zato.
Testament was always a dude, Kliff's ending is proof.
was a dude before, is agender now
Your ability to comprehend the passage of time is that of an infant's.
@@gspandem1204 The passage of time can see however many retcons they wanna throw in there, it won't change how things were in 1998.
@@BestWayKilla Events can be superseded with new information. A retcon would be like saying "Well this is actually canon, and has always been canon." Testament identifying as agender as of Strive isn't contradicting previous information (said info being based off of the Japanese version, since that's the most accurate to what Daisuke had in mind for the story.)
@@gspandem1204 As I tell people who bring this up, Testament was Kliff's son for 2 decades, and they never felt the need to correct the record on that or stress what gender he "identified" as. What changed? Fast forward to the 2020s, and suddenly that matters to a whole bunch of people for some reason, and the devs saw them as a group they could pander to. Strive can make the cast into whatever they want for all the P.R. it'll get them, its faults as a game on general combined with these redesigns have ensured I've long since left it behind. I prefer to remember GG as it was, when it was still metal.