Owen Jones On Why He Was Wrong About Jeremy Corbyn
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In this Majority Report clip, Owen Jones talks about how he was scolded by the Labour establishment for destroying the party.
"Jeremy Corbyn’s critics have been forced to backtrack following last night’s shock election result, which saw Labour secure 261 seats and the Tories loses their majority.
Sceptical political pundits and Labour MPs who were once deeply sceptical of Corbyn have now been forced to admit that they were wrong in light of Labour’s success.
Labour managed to defy the odds and add 29 seats to their numbers in parliament.
Corbyn secured a national vote of 40% for his party - higher than Tony Blair achieved in 2005. And in Wales, Labour got its highest share of the vote since 1997, securing 48.9%.
Meanwhile, the Conservatives lost 12 seats in the UK, leaving them short of the 326 majority needed, with just 318 MPs."*
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First time ever Owen Jones is called a Labour skeptic
Your title is completely wrong. Owen Jones is NOT Labour sceptic, never has been. He didn't like Corbyn for a while, but was still supporting Labour, attending fundraising events for the party. Since he was about 16 he has been a member of the Labour Party, with no breaks.
Cat Gilfillan He liked Corbyn even - just didn't think he could win.
You should get him to come on the show.
Boris Johnson wouldn't be considered to be far right in America
if Boris is toff, wait until you hear Jacob Rees Mogg talk
They don't have to have hereditary titles, they just have to have been sent to the most expensive private schools, which is where the toff accent is enforced by bullying.
intolerance to the way people sound is kinda like bullying
They're cut from the same pretentious cloth aren't they? But, yes, I know what you're saying. Jacob's sixth child had six names and was called sextus! 666 anyone?!
Owen Jones is adorbs.
#BERNIEWOULDHAVEWON!!!
Really liked the way this guy said "Boris Johnson, comical toff, far right bastard" lol...more or less sums the chap up, old boy.
A New Labour skeptic certainly.
Tell that girl to shut up laughing please
Can we talk about how America pronounce Theresa May name 😂😂😂 it’s like it over poshed 😂
I love it when you guys cover UK/European politics, even if I don't agree. The parallels and links between the US political landscape is incredible. 👌🏽
Just me, BUT ...why do RUclips jockeys have to do the whole thing with the microphone and headphones like they are some kind of regular radio DJ? As if they are going to break for traffic news or commercials or some shit. Its usually just some bloke in his bedroom talking crap anyway...
They are in a studio.
Corbyn LOST.
He did more to increase the percentage of the party's vote than any other in decades. The net gain of seats was almost unique in history. And he could be forming a government if the electoral disaster in Scotland with the SNP had not happened. Remember, Labor lost Scotland then it is assumed that any future government of the party will be in alliance with the SNP and this could have happened had it not been for the electoral mess in the region.
Actually, Corbyn gained seats and the Tories lost the seats. It was a parliamentary election, not a presidential election. No party outright won or lost, it doesn't work like that.
Nope
I love OWEN......
Wee Owen Jonesy, regulatin'
paul sweeney Another Shirt Lifter !!
hahaha o sweetheart it 2017.......I don't wear shirts......and yes I would if I got a chance....................
Can't wait for Corbyn to be P.M, he's such a wonderful, decisive, tolerant man! He's so tolerant in fact that he wont even stand up against xenophobes in his own party. I wonder how long it will take him to announce his first pogrom or gulag for those with the wrong ideas? He's not a nice old man he's a relic of the 80's who I find rather sinister, unfortunately as we could do with a strong opposition in the UK and all we've got at the moment are the Scottish NATIONALISTS.
I needed a laugh, thanks. If you think I sound like a Blairite I'm going to assume you're either twelve years old or drunk. In what way is the Great Cobb bringing principle to Labour? I'd love to know. As far as I'm concerned Labour, Tories and the rest need a revolution up there backsides and the sooner the better.
To be fair, I think most people would think you sound like a Blairite. Because you sound like a fucking Blairite. Or a LIb Dem, but they're basically the same thing anyway: Centrist faux-liberals. Maybe you are neither, but the things you have written here are exactly the kinds of things that you would expect someone of such political persuasions to say. So... you know, maybe stop writing such utter drivel if you don't like being called a Blairite.
When you say that Corbyn has failed to stand up against xenophobia in Labour you must surely be talking about leaving the EU (the Blairites favourite refrain). You must also surely realise that reducing this issue to "xenophobia" is incredibly dishonest, or you are drunk, or 12yrs old.
We had a vote -- *We* lost -- stop crying!
Jones wants Shirt Lifting Compulsory !!
The incessant demonising of Corbyn during his period as leader actually backfired on the perpetrators. When the election campaign started, people were expecting to see someone weak, someone who was a poor communicator, someone who didn't have a vision.
When people actually saw him on their TV screens, they came to the realisation they had been lied to. In a situation like that, people will support the underdog because they hate negative campaigns.
That change of attitude won't dissipate, people will remember the smear campaigns, and the Tories and the right wing press will, I believe, pay the price for their hubris.
Jeremy "Bernie would have won" Corbyn.
Owen Jones is probably Labour's most prominent supporter, so this is a bad title.
Owen is a Corbyn sceptic not a Labour sceptic. He needs to reflect on why he couldn't be honest about why he took this position before now
He was only a skeptic for a few weeks then he got back on the train
He was an open sceptic at least between June 2016 when the attempted coup happened and May 2017 when he believed a Tory Landslide was almost inevitable, arguably his scepticism started earlier than June
Heather Mendick I think he was probably equally as rundown by the neoliberal media as the rest of us with their constant Corbyn smearing and thought the party needed a fresh start. I don't hold it against him.
Yeah, he was more of a Corbyn skeptic, and that's what this whole video is addressing.
I can barely keep up with the crazy politics in this Country, Let alone in Great Britain!!!!
That's when he got discredited. I could ready the political mood better than him. sorry, owen, your opinions are not so relevant now.
I was under the impression that you were interviewing Owen. This video is just a clunky introduction to a clip from another show
How is Owen Smith a Labour skeptic...
*Jones
Jeremy Corbyn is 100x better than Tony Blair
Jack Burton
But only 6 seats better than Gordon Brown
"I don't think it's at all unlikely...." Yes that's a double negative.
Nice to see Owen Jones eating his words, he should do it more often
Ha Ha hey Jonesy here`s another band waggon jump on the fucker !
Owen wasn't wrong to think that; most of Labour's voters & membership (including myself) thought that Jeremy has been demonised by right wing press so much & Labour is sitting at 24% & if a snap election is called; Jeremy will become a liability for left... Owen is as lefty as it gets! & yes when the elections were called (basically because he was so far behind) almost the entire party came together & fought & took Labour from 24% to 40% in few weeks & Jeremy went to the mass electorate for the first time & proved he can win! Now Tories literally are in government without any power & Jeremy & Labour just have to count the days till government collapses mainly on Brexit & we have a Labour government!
So STOP saying anything about Owen; he wasn't wrong & he did his 100% to help Jeremy in all 3 elections!
He wasn't wrong, no one seems to miss the fact that she lost coz of that insane manifesto that they did. They were so far ahead that they thought we can do some shit and we will get away with it
robertpuh Nah, pretty sure he was wrong.
naaah im pretty sure you haven't read the manifesto, and since she didn't want to debate the manifesto, she lost, she went full on sjw tactics and she lost
This didn’t age well.😂😂😂😂
As a country, we really picked the bad ending
The Tories are in turmoil, they won't last. Corbyn got my vote last time, and he'll get it again.
Give it more time mate
Skeptic? The hell are you on about?
He wasn't exactly wrong either in his beleaguered and tepid criticism. Labour lost the election. but gained seats, whereas everyone else believed they'd be wiped out. Labour, due to conservative incompetence now only need 62 seats in order to have a majority of 1. That result was with one of the most incompetent Conservative campaigns in living memory, and 10 years of austerity.
Do yourself a favor and stop covering UK politics as if you know what is going on there, because you most certainly do not.
You are ignorant are you? There's a Guardian Article you should look up _"How Jeremy Corbyn managed to bring Ukip voters back to Labour"_
_"But many former Labour voters who had switched to Ukip in previous elections had done so out of disillusionment with New Labour, which lost 5m votes between 1997 and 2010._
_Labour’s policy platform under Corbyn, and crucially the party’s respect for the result of the referendum, helped to win those Ukip voters back. The lazy caricature of Ukip supporters in the north of England as caring only about immigration was buried, as those voters chose instead Labour’s viable plan to improve their material wealth."_
You can also look at the UKIP swing in individual constituencies, where the UKIP vote went mainly towards Labour, as opposed to the fear of the vote mostly going to the Conservatives. This is why I got so annoyed with people calling UKIP supporters middle England racists, as a lot weren't. Its similar to your weird situation where when polled most conservatives wanted to Vote Sanders, rather than Trump, but would vote Trump over Hillary.
These are all a few example constituencies on wikipedia. The format should be /wiki/[paste]
*Scroll down to the election section, and compare 2015 to 2017. Particularly look at the swing*
Altrincham_and_Sale_West_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Braintree_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Canterbury_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Croydon_North_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Ealing_Southall_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Harwich_and_North_Essex_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Islington_South_and_Finsbury_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Luton_South_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Ludlow_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Mid_Worcestershire_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
If you don't trust my sample then pick your own. You will see a similar trend. The only randomly clicked constituency I didn't pick was Bradford, due to George Galloway's presence as an MP making it an oddity.
Serious advise to you, don't attempt to guesstimate the politics of another country without studying it, or directly following the election.
Because the left vote isn't split outside of Scotland to nearly the degree it has been in previous elections. With all Scottish seats going to Labour, and assume the greens die, Labour would still be sort seats and need to unify the Lib Dems and the DUP. The Lib Dems are also for all intents and purposes a dead party.
But my main point stands, and you tacitly accept my first argument as you could only deign to criticize my non-addressing of the second(I too can play these cancerous word games). The reason that Labour did as well as they did, everything else standing was that the tories made the poor fearful, so those who voted brexit, had their options severely limited. He is still not popular, and in the face of a more reasonable conservative manifesto, those initial 20 point polls may have ended up at 10-15, and led to a comfy conservative victory.
The overall point I'm making is that the completely allied forces of the right (regardless of how many UKIP voters went to labour) are only able to muster a 2% lead over the non-allied forces of the left. That point is undisputably true. So you can act all smug about how many people went from UKIP and how I didn't know that (that's true, I didn't think that many did but I'll take your word for it), it won't change that stuff like "b-b-but she won" are talking points of the highest order.
It was really interesting to hear an American analysing UK politics. Great clip.
Who cares what this little Tradesmans Entrancer thinks ?? Get his runny eyes off the screen !!
You, obviously.
Epic fail.
How did Jeremy Corbyn do in the recent election?
Took 41% Torys lost majority & ended up having to bung DUP a far right bunch of far right religious lunatics 4 billion to join them!
Bit of a mess!
But 41% of electorate supported a socialist manifesto 👍
You people are totally misreading that election. Take off the Sanders glasses for once.
Storm I'd be interested what you mean by that if you don't mind briefly explaining?
This wasn't a vote for Corbyn's Labour. It was a vote against a harder line Conservative Party. Labour (Corbyn & Skinner in particular) unbeknownst to this show were complicit in Brexit. In fact Skinner who has already been deified by this show voted for it! Not to mention the fact that Corbyn has never met an enemy of the West for which he hasn't held some sympathy. Not to mention just the IRA for christ's sake! Couple that with the fact that he said he'd be unwilling to retaliate against a nuclear strike and you have someone not only not qualified to lead but not fit for opposition as well. In fact had Labour been more centrist like the Lib Dems who also picked up seats - they would have not only picked up seats they'd have won a majority! Corbyn is still quite simply too far left to be acceptable by the majority of people. And furthermore than that, to say this is in any way translatable to the US election is so off the mark as to not even be taken seriously. This however is basically a children's program at this point. So far be it from me to expect this audience to understand the nuances of parliamentary democracy. You simply see in your mind Corbyn as your godhead Sanders. And therefore hereafter, that is the lens in which you view all things regarding these islands and everywhere in between.
The whole talking about Corbyn just to relate his success to Bernies is so misguided. Corbyn is far more effective (which is the opposite to what those wearing the Sanders glasses think). It shows they have the mood wrong like they did during the pres election, a sure way to make sure Trump wins reelection. The things the US left crits Corbyn for are the things that make him popular, and they are also the things that Bernie lacks.
The left here will blow another election just because someone not named BS is nominated. They have the politically strategic thinking abilities of a potted plant. They take "policy advice" from imbecilic actors and actresses. And all of this happens if and only when they're able to look up from their phones.
They CAN'T; they are WELDED on. It makes me sick, they talk about being so individualistic and are so anti-cult-of-personality when it comes to Trump, yet they are basically cult members themselves.
The trouble is that Jeremy Corbyn didn’t wish to preside over a centre-left government. He wished to preside over a socialist utopia.
You can kneel before a bunch of inbred Germans all you like: that's your democratic right. Some of us don't want to: that's ours.
ugh michael and his beard again *sighs*
Is it just me or does it seem like Micheal is still taking sly digs at Corbyn? To me it seems clear Micheal doesn't like Corbyn, on a personal level at least.
Newsflash: He has done better than your social democrat opportunist Bernie.
Jacques Celliers Nothing like fratricide among left wingers, is there?
Only one person i dislike more than Corbyn & that's Owen Jones
i support jeremy corbyn, I've voted for him to be leader twice and I voted for labour to win, BUT you didn't need to refer to Boris Johnson as a Bastard.
Socialism hasn't worked in 100 years of trying. . Socialism removes the incentive to work hard therefore productivity which high living standards require collapse. Socialist ideology never factors in human nature. Corbyn is a snake oil salesman.
No, it doesn't. It means those who need help standing up can get it. You're FOS.
owen jones needs to get a new job
Hilarious that you think Jeremy Corbyn is centre left and Boris Johnson is far right. Boris is centre right, and Corbyn is far left. Your lack of knowledge of U.K. politics is showing through very clearly.
Your lack of knowledge is astounding! Corbyn is the most far left labour leader we've had in years! And boris, boris is on the centre right. Stay out of British politics when you know absolutely nothing
Bernie lost to Hillary, and she wasn't anywhere near as hard on him as Trump would've beem.
The dynamics are different. Few Independent and young voters vote in primaries, Clinton won by smashing Sanders with old voters while Sanders crushed her with young voters, but they are underrepresented in the primaries. Also, most people who voted for Clinton like Sanders and vice versa, so it's a different dynamic.
This. Bernie couldn't even beat his own left-leaning party, how does he expect to beat the republican machine? He would have been destroyed by Trump.
Bernie couldn't beat his own party because of the momentum behind Clinton essentially, she had the name recognition, the entire stage was set for years for her to be the nom and Bernie was literally a nobody. The fact Bernie came slow close from being a "joke candidate" actually showed how weak Clinton was.
Also the reason Clinton lost was really 2 reasons, Gerrymandering/vote rigging, but also the Clinton team ran the worst campaign I've seen in my life. It had no message, spoke to nothing and never talked about policy. It just assumed name recognition and Demographics alone were going to carry her, but it just didn't happen. It was lazy. There is no way in hell Bernie would have ran a campaign that bad. He would have been running rallies all across the Rust Belt. What did the Republican Machine even have on Bernie that was anywhere near the shit against Trump? What he wrote erotic fanfiction when he was a 20 year old? Who cares?
There was no way Bernie would have lost the Rust Belt and he would have won literally every seat Clinton would have won because they weren't turning red anyway.
Bernie 100% would have won. It could have been close, but honestly I don't even think it would have been close. Bernie had actually a real message for people of the Rust Belt and is now the most popular politician in the entire US.
What liberals need to learn is elections are not about who is left or right or moderate, it's about who has vision who speaks to people. Trump was out there working his ass off stealing basically left wing populist economic messages, while Clinton had "America is already great" and "I'm with her". Trump had the vision. I called that election in early September and I was sadly right.
Yeah the dem's played it dirty, but the Republicans wouldn't have? The presidential race was gerrymandered in Trumps favor.
That's my point, Bernie couldn't take on the democrats who lets be honest are a better bunch than the republicans. The presidential race would have gone much the same as the primaries. In theory Bernie would have won the primary, but he didn't. In theory Bernie would win the pres election, but he wouldn't. The presidential election wouldn't have been fair just because it was against Bernie and not Clinton (who actually beat Trump).
Its not just the democrats that are corrupt, so are the republicans and even more so. Its not just about beating them in a fair contest, its about beating them in an unfair contest (because lets face, candidates like Bernie and Corbyn will never get a fair contest). Corbyn managed to beat his party not for being like Bernie, but for being not like him. The things that have made Corbyn so successful are qualities Bernie doesn't posses. Just look how Bernie buckled and endorsed Hillary, he doesn't have the strength or back bone to stand up for himself. Bernie panders to those who fight him, while Corbyn fights back. Bernie moderates what he says while Corbyn purposelessly says things that will get him in trouble with the media.
Sanders is too moderate and not militant enough. Trump, however, was extremely militant, aggressive and beat the media at their own game (Like Corbyn). Sanders is not a populist, he is a moderate.
You don't understand the dynamics of a presidential election. Just flip a few states that Hillary lost and boom Bernie is President. Bernie BEAT Hillary in Wisconsin and Michigan, two critical states that Hillary lost to Trump. Who cares that Hillary beat Bernie in states like California, New York, Georgia, or Texas? Those states were never going to flip in either direction.
unfortunately you know absolutely nothing. I have to admit to learning a lot from this election and the two elections before. Other than the terribly election campaign by the Tories there's nothing much to say about them specifically. Many of the ordinary people of the UK have had a tough time and that has strengthened Labours appeal. Sensible people however know that without economic growth there will be less money for the public services that they hold dear. The UK has changed over the last 3 decades and far fewer people are employed in safe state funded jobs. Labour MPs rebelled against Corbyn because he represents a siloed left leaning section of people who will always vote Labour. MPs however have to be elected by their constituents who are a wide range of the public. Since global financial crisis of 2008 (which affected the US too) the left has not stood up for the previous Labour administration while it was attacked by the Tories because they don't view the Blair/Brown administration as being a Labour government (The British electorate have not made that distinction. The Labour party is wrongly considered to be financially irresponsible - under Corbyn it really would be). The last 3 elections have been close with either no/slim majority. The British public are not polarised in the same way as the US are. We want a socially responsible but business friendly government. Give us that and we'll all vote for it. We don't want the 70s. We do know what a disaster that will be. Let's hope Brexit is not a disaster. Unfortunately it will be and ordinary people will pay the price of Brexit
longbowman2010 well argued
longbowman2010 BSc Chemistry, MSc.Computer Science. Consultant in Manufacturing, Retail banking; Investment Banking; Lloyds Brokerage; Reinsurance. What's your background?
longbowman2010 would you like someone else to "like" your comment other than yourself
Most Brits are sick to the back teeth with austerity. It does shit for the national deficit and just hurts ordinary people.
Thumper: true. A rapid fall in tax income in 2008/09; Iraq/Afghanistan; and bailing out the banks did massively increase the national debt (as it did in most western economies). However the impact has not fully been felt because the bank of England has been able to swap short term high interest loans for much longer term low interest loans. If interest rates /inflation rise (even moderately) then the government will be forced to borrow much less. WHEN that happens it will hurt. As usual it will hurt poor people disproportionately
Jeremy Corbyn wants unlimited and uncontrolled immigration into the UK. The people of the UK would be utterly mad to vote for someone with such opinions.
I agree totally. May was completely useless as Home Sectary. I am not a Tory supporter.
DEUS VULT I'm not sure any public official is going to match our individual agendas 100% So we all have to weigh our importance levels.
And based on the problems seemingly facing Britain, it could make since not to vote for him. America doesn't face a high level of problems with terrorism linked to immigration.
That's an outright lie. CONTROLLED IMMIGRATION WAS IN THE MANIFESTO. As was leaving the single market (which includes immigration).
Are you even British? He made it clear he was removing TARGETS because they have actually never even been met and they do nothing to actually control immigration. Removing pointless targets and quotas is not the same as "unlimited and uncontrolled".
But yeah, pretend you are not a Tory. Its the only way you lying Tories can make yourself seem reasonable and not completely bat shit crazy.
No, the labour policy is to have controlled immigration.
You're completely wrong.
Jeremy is on record as saying on many occasions that he does not want to put an upper limit on immigration.