William Willoughby was indeed 11th Baron Willoughby de Eresby (in those days, the title had the article 'de' before it instead of 'the' as per tradition which passed until then in courtly titles in many cases and still exists in its form to this very day. The baronage title was created on July 26, 1313 for Robert de Willoughby and is now held by Jane Heathcote-Drummond-Willoughby, who is the 28th Baroness Willoughby de Eresby.
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Thank you for a delightful overview of one of my favourite Tudor-era aristocrats! And yes: I too loved the fact that Catherine W. named her dog "Gardiner" after that unpleasant cleric. What fascinates me is that Catherine was the daughter of Maria de Selinas, who was both a dedicated lady-in-waiting to Queen Catherine of Aragon and staunchly Roman Catholic as well. Odd that the daughter and mother differed so much in religion. Another area of interest with Catherine was that she was part of a pattern of second marriages -- for love! -- among both royals and aristocrats. Frances Brandon, Princess Mary's daughter with Charles Brandon, married her master of the horse after her first husband was executed. King Henry VIII's two sisters both remarried for love after their first titled husbands died. Love was clearly in the Tudor air among these ladies!
I suppose it's a bit like the Seymours, with Jane having been seen as conservative in her Catholic faith but her brothers and son going on to be Protestant. This was a time of real change in England. Yes, she was very much like Frances, her stepdaughter, in choosing her next husband for love and a man who was lower in station.
And Henry raged over all the love matches during his time. He was an absolute control freak but there was nothing he could do about his sisters remarrying as once a marriage is contracted and consummated it could not be put aside. Not that he didn't threaten to chop Brandon's head off and made his sisters' lives a misery where he could. Love matches were something done only with great courage at this time!
I enjoy these so much. Highlight of my day! Not to apply 21st Century morality to the 16th Century but I always found Brandon having married his young ward a bit creepy. So sad that they lost their 2 sons to sweating sickness . There are beautiful portraits of both.
She does sound like a pretty cool chick, for her time. I like that her children were called Susan and Peregrine. I’ve seen your other video explaining the meaning of his name and how it refers to hi# birth in exile.
A warm hello from Pennsylvania in the USA. Catherine Willoughby, Suffolk, Bertie was a fascinating woman. Did she have to pay her husband’s debts I wonder? Quite a life. Everyone seems to remarry almost immediately. The speed is dizzying.
You had me at willoubhy. A great character in sense and sensability.. thanks again Claire, you showed us another strong woman and woman of faith in the Tudor court.
Thanks so much for these wonderful videos. I'm learning a lot I didn't know. I just have to say this is a better venue than sitting in the kitchen (or whatever other room it is) because that one is too 'lively' for good quality sound.
Thank you for this informative video! My family just finished reading about Catherine in an excellent book by Sukeshine Goonatilleke called Sisters in Arms: Courageous Women of the Reformation. The book also talks about Catherine Parr and several other courageous ladies.
It's great that she was such a strong and intelligent woman. However I can't help feeling slightly sick that Charles Brandon married her when she was only 14, and he 49, but I guess I shouldn't measure the standards we live by (which in a lot of ways aren't better) by the standards of the Tudor age.
Such an interesting post Claire! I can see why you like this very interesting woman! I personally love the relationships. It’s like a web. This person connects to this person who connected to this person. So very interesting!!
I was re-reading Simon Sebag Montefiore's scintillating book, "The Romanovs," when I came across a cute ort on p. 52: A powerful Russian Orthodox patriarch named Nikon incurred the wrath of Tsar Alexei (1629-1676), & the tsar's courtiers. "...Simon Streshnev named a lolloping mastiff 'Nikon' and taught it to make the patriarchal blessing with its paw...." So using a pet to make a political/religious point occurs in more than one country.
Definitely a woman of intelligence as well as spirit! One who knows her own mind! You are obviously passionate about her story. I plan to look her up now to discover more! Such a shame about her boys. We should be so grateful to live in times without terrible epidemics stealing our children.
I agree! These women's circles were doing their best to influence the society around them no matter what form it took or opposition they faced. Must have been so frustrating they would risk a lot out of sheer subjective enslaved boredom!
I swear I haven't missed a day (have to play catch up once in a while) but I don't remember this. I also find this lady fascinating. I had wondered if the calling her dog Gardner was true!
Wow! I didn't know most of that. In The Tudors, she seems to be portrayed as a Catholic and has a very serious personality. Seems like they didn't research her very much!
i find it interesting that she was able to flee to the continent to avoid Catholic persecution. Wouldn't the Catholic queens and kings of England have been just as unhappy to have her around? Especially since she sounds like she was pretty vehement in her views. She doesn't sound like the kind of person to keep quiet just because it's politically expedient.
Hi Claire ! Was Peregrine (Peregrin) Bertie a male or female child of Katherine Willoughby - would you know the answer to this ? Also, Katherine had lost two babies before she had Peregrin (Peregrine ) and Suzan (Also known as Suzan of Kent).
Peregrine was a male . There is a book Three Generations of a Loyal House written by Lady Cecilia Goff in 1957 that discusses him. He was 12th Lord Willoughby de Eresby (1555-1601)
What a wonderful story. She sounds like quite a lady! Love her choice of dog names but I would think she’d have been taking an awful chance putting vestments on the dog.
Another great video! In showtime the Tudors, Catherine and Charles lived apart in later years and Charles lived with a French woman supposedly he captured during a battle with France. Is there any truth in this? Thank you Clair!
Thanks for another excellent video! I'm curious to know about Anne Stafford, Lady Hastings. There seems to be a lot of disagreement as to how many mistresses Henry VIII actually had (we'll never know for sure) Mary Boylen and Bessie Blount are the two I most often see mentioned. Another source says there is much evidence that Anne Stafford and Henry became involved only a year or so after Henry's marriage to Catherine of Aragon, and became a scandal. (She was sent to a convent by her husband?) What if anything, do you know about all this? FTI this is one of the links that brought this question to mind. Interesting about Compton too! thehistoryjar.com/tag/anne-hastings/
Excellent video. I’ve always wanted to know more about Catherine. I also want to know if it’s true that her husband Charles Brandon brought back a woman after the battle of bologna as a mistress. Can you address this?
I love hearing the stories behind why people give their pets their names. This was a good one! Thanks for another interesting tid bit! Love ya! 👸👑🏰🎪🎭❤👍✌
She was 61 when she died. Her daughter Susan lived into adulthood and was married twice but her date of death is not known. Her son, Peregrine, was born in 1555 and died in 1601.
Thank you for the video. I may not be alone in wanting to know more about Brandon marrying his ward and much younger woman....a child. Wasn’t she 14 years old? What was that about? Her property? Thanks so much. I’m enjoying the videos. I just found and read Chapuys’ letter to the Emperor regarding the marriage ... I plead guilty of having more interest in Brandon because of Henry Cavill’s role in The Tudors. So silly.
Elizabeth Hopkins Nope. He was no Cavill. So I have to share this story with a stranger because it’s kind of funny. I have three adult sons so I’m lusting after men my sons’ age. Anyway, my youngest who is maybe 25 at the time, and I go to see Superman a few years ago because my son is a doll, we have a good relationship, goes to the movies with me and he chose Superman. So, it starts and this Adonis whom I had never seen before is on this big screen. And I’m like OMG who is that? 😳 So, if I think it, I say it and tell my son I can’t believe my eyes. And then the Adonis, Superman, Cavill, says the line “I can do things other men can’t do”.... and I lean over to my poor twenty five year old and say, “I bet he can”. He was mortified. Turned red and wanted to disown me on the spot. So funny. But, I bet he can....just the truth.
Yes, a wardship meant that you controlled the property and income of your ward until they came of age, and were in charge of sorting out a marriage for them, but Suffolk obviously wanted to keep hold of Catherine's property and income long term! Yes, she was 14. It wasn't abnormal for an older man to have a much younger bride, but it was quite a gap.
Yes I feel somewhat guilty for admiring these actors that are my daughter's age.E.g. the New D.A. on Law and Order SVU. I didn't even know he was American I thought that he was British as I saw him in other shows. just proves that we are still Human Females!. Enjoy
Was Catherine willoughby related to the lady Maria willoughby who was lady in waiting to Catherine of Aragon before she married lord willoughby and was with her at the time of her death?
hi Claire. How are the reno's going? I thought that Charles Brandon was a Catholic sympathizer. Did Catherine become a Reformer after he died? She and Catherine Parr were very lucky that Anne Askew was so strong in her faith that she never betrayed her friends. I am driving my friends(and probably you) crazy with my excitement. I leave for England 7 weeks today. Thank you for doing today's expansion of my knowledge of Catherine Willoughby. have a good weekend.
Wasn't Catherine in charge of the care of baby Mary Seymour after the death of her parents? And I'm I right in thinking she wasn't happy with this task?
I am sufficiently confuddled regarding Henry Vlll's religious views and how they differed from the more evangelical faith of Anne, Parr and this particular Catherine. Was there a middle ground between the Catholicism of the Popes and the evangelical Protestantism of the aforementioned ladies where Henry and where the torturers of Anna Askew (sp?) sat? And was the evangelical spirit that the Catherine of this video embodied identical to that of Edward's? It is also interesting to consider that Elizabeth chose the road she did despite Parr's influence upon her. And the fact, if I have it right, that her mother also was quite reformer-minded and had to more or less disguise that from Henry, though reformation was a topic they had in common. ?.
Henry VIII was quite a conservative Catholic. His church was just the Catholic Church with him in charge, rather than the pope, but the break with Rome and the influence of Anne Boleyn, did allow men of a Reformed faith to rise to power and that continued during his reign. Henry ended up executing Catholics and Protestants because he didn't like Catholics who opposed his changes but then he saw those who embraced reform as heretics. Elizabeth was Protestant but there were different "flavours" of it, as there are today if you think about all the different denominations, and for some people she didn't go far enough with her changes. Her mother, Anne, I would describe as "evangelical" rather than Protestant. Anne was influence by French reformer who were looking to reform the church from within and to get back to the authority of scripture.
The Anne Boleyn Files and Tudor Society Thank you! Makes more sense now. Who do you think Elizabeth was influenced by? I am going to guess Parr. It is interesting Edward's faith was so much more revolutionary than her's, both being similarly schooled. Perhaps it just comes down to personality as well as experience, as it does today!
I just love the bit about her dog! That's hilarious and I appreciate her sarcastic wit. ❤
I didn't know that much about Catherine Brandon. Was great to hear about her!
William Willoughby was indeed 11th Baron Willoughby de Eresby (in those days, the title had the article 'de' before it instead of 'the' as per tradition which passed until then in courtly titles in many cases and still exists in its form to this very day. The baronage title was created on July 26, 1313 for Robert de Willoughby and is now held by Jane Heathcote-Drummond-Willoughby, who is the 28th Baroness Willoughby de Eresby.
Sending you much love from Kentucky, United States. Claire, you’re such an asset to the world of Tudor history and you are one of my biggest influences and my top self-chosen mentor. You just flourish so much more as the years go on. I can never thank you enough!
Cleveland M. Smith
Thank you, that's so lovely of you to say!
Cleveland Smith Another Kentuckian fan here! Originally from Ireland! Love Clare’s channel too!
I only wish Claire's videos were LONGER.......it's the best part of my day.
Great story. These litle personal stories bring these historical people to life. It is much appreciated.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge about The Tudors....especially Anne Boleyn! I love the way you present, Clarie! You ROCK! 🤗🥰
you know, you rather make my day with these videos. Hope you keep going into 2020 and beyond!
Love your videos, one of the highlights of my day. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
This was a lot of fun! Thank you!
Thank you for a delightful overview of one of my favourite Tudor-era aristocrats! And yes: I too loved the fact that Catherine W. named her dog "Gardiner" after that unpleasant cleric. What fascinates me is that Catherine was the daughter of Maria de Selinas, who was both a dedicated lady-in-waiting to Queen Catherine of Aragon and staunchly Roman Catholic as well. Odd that the daughter and mother differed so much in religion. Another area of interest with Catherine was that she was part of a pattern of second marriages -- for love! -- among both royals and aristocrats. Frances Brandon, Princess Mary's daughter with Charles Brandon, married her master of the horse after her first husband was executed. King Henry VIII's two sisters both remarried for love after their first titled husbands died. Love was clearly in the Tudor air among these ladies!
I suppose it's a bit like the Seymours, with Jane having been seen as conservative in her Catholic faith but her brothers and son going on to be Protestant. This was a time of real change in England.
Yes, she was very much like Frances, her stepdaughter, in choosing her next husband for love and a man who was lower in station.
And Henry raged over all the love matches during his time. He was an absolute control freak but there was nothing he could do about his sisters remarrying as once a marriage is contracted and consummated it could not be put aside. Not that he didn't threaten to chop Brandon's head off and made his sisters' lives a misery where he could. Love matches were something done only with great courage at this time!
Look forward to your videos daily! I've always been intrigued by this lady!
Another interesting person from the period. Love the dog story. Good to hear she kept her head.
Catherine was lucky to survive Bloody Mary’s reign.
🇭🇲🦘 Very interesting insight into Catherine Willoughby's life (and her humour - CLASSIC!) Thank you Claire 👑👍
I enjoy these so much. Highlight of my day!
Not to apply 21st Century morality to the 16th Century but I always found Brandon having married his young ward a bit creepy. So sad that they lost their 2 sons to sweating sickness . There are beautiful portraits of both.
Thank you.
She does sound like a pretty cool chick, for her time. I like that her children were called Susan and Peregrine. I’ve seen your other video explaining the meaning of his name and how it refers to hi# birth in exile.
A warm hello from Pennsylvania in the USA. Catherine Willoughby, Suffolk, Bertie was a fascinating woman. Did she have to pay her husband’s debts I wonder? Quite a life. Everyone seems to remarry almost immediately. The speed is dizzying.
‘...calling Gardner to heel’ tickles me; I believe I’d have liked Catherine.
Would this mean then, Willoughby and Lady Jane Gray were students of Parr, at the same time?
Hi Claire , watching again in 2021 xx
Thank you. I often wonder about some of the ladies in waiting of various Queen's in Tudor History. I like knowing about Charles Brandon's second wife.
Claire, have you thought of a book about some of these lesser talked about Tudors?
Wouldn't that be delightful?
My "On This Day in Tudor History" book does have lots of bios of lesser-known Tudor people, but great idea!
What a lady. Thank you, Claire!
Clare: ... on this day in Tudor History...
Me: ::sighs::my day is now complete 😀
You had me at willoubhy. A great character in sense and sensability.. thanks again Claire, you showed us another strong woman and woman of faith in the Tudor court.
Very good topic! Thank you Claire!
I did really know much about her. Fascinating woman! Thanks!
Thanks so much for these wonderful videos. I'm learning a lot I didn't know.
I just have to say this is a better venue than sitting in the kitchen (or whatever other room it is) because that one is too 'lively' for good quality sound.
Thank you for this informative video! My family just finished reading about Catherine in an excellent book by Sukeshine Goonatilleke called Sisters in Arms: Courageous Women of the Reformation. The book also talks about Catherine Parr and several other courageous ladies.
Thank you Claire. Would you consider doing a tour through your bookcase?
I've done a few tours of my bookcase for the Tudor Society, taking a section/theme at a time, but good idea.
It's great that she was such a strong and intelligent woman. However I can't help feeling slightly sick that Charles Brandon married her when she was only 14, and he 49, but I guess I shouldn't measure the standards we live by (which in a lot of ways aren't better) by the standards of the Tudor age.
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I feel kinda sorry for the poor dog :-( Enjoyed this break from Mary I, burnings of heretics and the Sweating Sickness :-)
Such an interesting post Claire! I can see why you like this very interesting woman! I personally love the relationships. It’s like a web. This person connects to this person who connected to this person. So very interesting!!
As always thanks jumped on the links
Did Charles Brandon(while married to Catherine Brandon) really have a lover after returning from the French war till he passed away?
There's no evidence that he did, that's just a fictional device in "The Tudors" series.
@@anneboleynfiles Thank you... I thought so.
OMDog! I loved this so much!
And I hope Meghan is taught this history. Bless her heart (sincerely, not Southern).
I was re-reading Simon Sebag Montefiore's scintillating book, "The Romanovs," when I came across a cute ort on p. 52: A powerful Russian Orthodox patriarch named Nikon incurred the wrath of Tsar Alexei (1629-1676), & the tsar's courtiers. "...Simon Streshnev named a lolloping mastiff 'Nikon' and taught it to make the patriarchal blessing with its paw...." So using a pet to make a political/religious point occurs in more than one country.
Definitely a woman of intelligence as well as spirit! One who knows her own mind! You are obviously passionate about her story. I plan to look her up now to discover more!
Such a shame about her boys. We should be so grateful to live in times without terrible epidemics stealing our children.
She sounds awesome.
I agree! These women's circles were doing their best to influence the society around them no matter what form it took or opposition they faced. Must have been so frustrating they would risk a lot out of sheer subjective enslaved boredom!
I swear I haven't missed a day (have to play catch up once in a while) but I don't remember this. I also find this lady fascinating. I had wondered if the calling her dog Gardner was true!
I love her dog’s name.
Exile was a good idea.
Wow! I didn't know most of that. In The Tudors, she seems to be portrayed as a Catholic and has a very serious personality. Seems like they didn't research her very much!
Much of The Tudors TV program was waaaaaay off historically.
I couldn't watch further than the first episode because of the errors.
i find it interesting that she was able to flee to the continent to avoid Catholic persecution. Wouldn't the Catholic queens and kings of England have been just as unhappy to have her around? Especially since she sounds like she was pretty vehement in her views. She doesn't sound like the kind of person to keep quiet just because it's politically expedient.
Hi Claire ! Was Peregrine (Peregrin) Bertie a male or female child of Katherine Willoughby - would you know the answer to this ? Also, Katherine had lost two babies before she had Peregrin (Peregrine ) and Suzan (Also known as Suzan of Kent).
Peregrine was a male . There is a book Three Generations of a Loyal House written by Lady Cecilia Goff in 1957 that discusses him. He was 12th Lord Willoughby de Eresby (1555-1601)
What a wonderful story. She sounds like quite a lady! Love her choice of dog names but I would think she’d have been taking an awful chance putting vestments on the dog.
Thank you for this video. I love the dog story! It always amazes me the number of people that weathered the battling religions at that time.
Another great video! In showtime the Tudors, Catherine and Charles lived apart in later years and Charles lived with a French woman supposedly he captured during a battle with France. Is there any truth in this? Thank you Clair!
No, there's no evidence of that and it appears to have been a fictional device used by the show.
Thanks for another excellent video! I'm curious to know about Anne Stafford, Lady Hastings. There seems to be a lot of disagreement as to how many mistresses Henry VIII actually had (we'll never know for sure) Mary Boylen and Bessie Blount are the two I most often see mentioned. Another source says there is much evidence that Anne Stafford and Henry became involved only a year or so after Henry's marriage to Catherine of Aragon, and became a scandal. (She was sent to a convent by her husband?) What if anything, do you know about all this?
FTI this is one of the links that brought this question to mind. Interesting about Compton too! thehistoryjar.com/tag/anne-hastings/
Excellent video. I’ve always wanted to know more about Catherine. I also want to know if it’s true that her husband Charles Brandon brought back a woman after the battle of bologna as a mistress. Can you address this?
That's just a fictional device used by The Tudors show, there's no evidence to back up the story.
I love hearing the stories behind why people give their pets their names. This was a good one! Thanks for another interesting tid bit! Love ya! 👸👑🏰🎪🎭❤👍✌
Thank you Claire interesting lady Catherine how old was she when she died and did her second children survive and live a longer life than the first xx
She was 61 when she died. Her daughter Susan lived into adulthood and was married twice but her date of death is not known. Her son, Peregrine, was born in 1555 and died in 1601.
@@anneboleynfiles Thank you xx
Thank you for the video. I may not be alone in wanting to know more about Brandon marrying his ward and much younger woman....a child. Wasn’t she 14 years old? What was that about? Her property? Thanks so much. I’m enjoying the videos. I just found and read Chapuys’ letter to the Emperor regarding the marriage ... I plead guilty of having more interest in Brandon because of Henry Cavill’s role in The Tudors. So silly.
Me too. The real Charles Brandon wasn't much of a looker. Lol
Elizabeth Hopkins Nope. He was no Cavill. So I have to share this story with a stranger because it’s kind of funny. I have three adult sons so I’m lusting after men my sons’ age. Anyway, my youngest who is maybe 25 at the time, and I go to see Superman a few years ago because my son is a doll, we have a good relationship, goes to the movies with me and he chose Superman. So, it starts and this Adonis whom I had never seen before is on this big screen. And I’m like OMG who is that? 😳 So, if I think it, I say it and tell my son I can’t believe my eyes. And then the Adonis, Superman, Cavill, says the line “I can do things other men can’t do”.... and I lean over to my poor twenty five year old and say, “I bet he can”. He was mortified. Turned red and wanted to disown me on the spot. So funny. But, I bet he can....just the truth.
Yes, a wardship meant that you controlled the property and income of your ward until they came of age, and were in charge of sorting out a marriage for them, but Suffolk obviously wanted to keep hold of Catherine's property and income long term!
Yes, she was 14. It wasn't abnormal for an older man to have a much younger bride, but it was quite a gap.
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Yes I feel somewhat guilty for admiring these actors that are my daughter's age.E.g. the New D.A. on Law and Order SVU. I didn't even know he was American I thought that he was British as I saw him in other shows. just proves that we are still Human Females!. Enjoy
Another Tudor source has said that this lady could have been Henry's 7th wife had he lived.
Was Catherine willoughby related to the lady Maria willoughby who was lady in waiting to Catherine of Aragon before she married lord willoughby and was with her at the time of her death?
Yes, she's the Maria de Salinas that I mention in the video. She came over from Spain with Catherine of Aragon.
Love your pillow on the right side. Where can I get one?
Was her second husband much older?
We don't know his exact birthdate but 1517 is the theory, so about two years older than Catherine.
14? And he was 49? Holy cow come on! 🤯😡😤
is there any truth in the rumour that Henry VIII considered divorcing Catherine Parr to marry Katherine Brandon?
hi Claire. How are the reno's going? I thought that Charles Brandon was a Catholic sympathizer. Did Catherine become a Reformer after he died? She and Catherine Parr were very lucky that Anne Askew was so strong in her faith that she never betrayed her friends. I am driving my friends(and probably you) crazy with my excitement. I leave for England 7 weeks today. Thank you for doing today's expansion of my knowledge of Catherine Willoughby. have a good weekend.
Wasn't Catherine in charge of the care of baby Mary Seymour after the death of her parents? And I'm I right in thinking she wasn't happy with this task?
I am sufficiently confuddled regarding Henry Vlll's religious views and how they differed from the more evangelical faith of Anne, Parr and this particular Catherine. Was there a middle ground between the Catholicism of the Popes and the evangelical Protestantism of the aforementioned ladies where Henry and where the torturers of Anna Askew (sp?) sat? And was the evangelical spirit that the Catherine of this video embodied identical to that of Edward's? It is also interesting to consider that Elizabeth chose the road she did despite Parr's influence upon her. And the fact, if I have it right, that her mother also was quite reformer-minded and had to more or less disguise that from Henry, though reformation was a topic they had in common. ?.
Henry VIII was quite a conservative Catholic. His church was just the Catholic Church with him in charge, rather than the pope, but the break with Rome and the influence of Anne Boleyn, did allow men of a Reformed faith to rise to power and that continued during his reign. Henry ended up executing Catholics and Protestants because he didn't like Catholics who opposed his changes but then he saw those who embraced reform as heretics.
Elizabeth was Protestant but there were different "flavours" of it, as there are today if you think about all the different denominations, and for some people she didn't go far enough with her changes. Her mother, Anne, I would describe as "evangelical" rather than Protestant. Anne was influence by French reformer who were looking to reform the church from within and to get back to the authority of scripture.
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Thank you! Makes more sense now. Who do you think Elizabeth was influenced by? I am going to guess Parr. It is interesting Edward's faith was so much more revolutionary than her's, both being similarly schooled. Perhaps it just comes down to personality as well as experience, as it does today!
Claire, you like the name Gilly, I think. How about namng one of your pets Gilly? Hahaha
I did like the name Gelly! If we ever get another cat, then perhaps so! We rescue animals so sometimes they're already used to their names.
i love your videos however could you please tidy up the bookcase behind you
Is it true that Henry VIII had his eye on Catherine between wives 5 & 6?
Henry VIII was gonna marry her.
Hmm she reminds me of a mean politician something Trump would do