Met him in either 2003 or 2004, had patiently waited for him to finish a drink in a café, didn't want to interrupt his family time, he was Everton manager back then... approached him as I thought he was paying up at the till, turns out he was buying more drinks... he thanked me for being respectful of his family time and invited me over to his table... spent more than an hour with him and his family discussing football (obviously), but also he took a great interest in my job at the time, the city of Paris (where we had met, and where I was a tour guide), food, family, his kids education, etc, etc... really interesting man
As a West Ham fan - Moyes has given us a fantastic few years, unbelievable even. I was Moyes In till the last moment, and still like the guy. But this is honestly the best time for a change. The biggest issue at the club isn't Moyes, it's the owner.
Biggest issue is the league to be honest - when 3 of the 4 (non-big 6) teams who are in Europe struggle in the league because of the extra fixtures, the problem goes well beyond West Ham. It's the drawback of the relatively even money distribution in the league, that the upper mid table clubs get effectively about an extra quarter of a season compared to their rivals, but don't get the money to really fund the extra squad size you need. I'm pretty confident that West Ham, Newcastle and Brighton will be in much better shape next season without the extra games, regardless of who is in charge (although Eddie Howe does seem to attract injuries so I'd be asking questions at Newcastle)
@saucexoliveria yeaaaaah.. I hear you mate. I battle whether he’s like that for the views. He honestly brings nothing to the table. If you look at his content over a year it’s all bluster and toxic click bait. I’ve got bored of a lot of the fan channels this year. I understand the sentiment of feeling patronised by the pundits when they were telling us we were lucky to have Moyse and fans were mad for wanting him to leave. However, I’ve also felt marginalised for having my views by people that are meant to be of the same fanbase. It’s been mental, toxic and embarrassing at times. I respect Moyse. He’s been good for us. He’s given us some of the best days in our history. I wish him all the best and I think it’s the right time to go. Re; Fulham. Love the Cottage, mate. Proper stadium, that. Beautiful club. I used to go games back in the Keegan days!
People forget how good his Everton teams were and he did pretty much the same with West Ham in the cup last year - he’s such a capable manager even if his tactics are now outdated
As a Preston North End supporter, i love to hear of your admiration for Moysie. He started his managerial career with us at the end of his playkng days and was absolutely fantastic before Everton swooped in for him. He will always have a home here.
No, the real insult is be calling him "English." Edit: I misread the comment and I'm a dumb stupid American. Carry on. Edit 2: to the 16 people that liked my comment as of right now... Might want to ring up your local optometrist.
As a West Ham fan, I am super grateful for Moyes and he’s 1000% a club legend, iconic manager for us. But I think it’s easy to look at West Ham from the outside, and see the Conference league win and presume that things are ok. Unfortunately Moyes also came with challenges. He doesn’t use subs, doesn’t give the youth a go, and the football has been really hard to watch. We’ve been absolutely thrashed 5-0 this season more times than I can remember, and there is a sense that we have the potential to go further. And to an extent, yes Moyes has guided us towards the trophy but the players also plaid a role. We have an amazing squad with talented players and we are being held back a lot by his tactics and favouritism. I think there is a sense that we are sleeping giant and Moyes is now holding us back not bringing us forward. However does this mean that Moyes didn’t bring us forward or helped our club? Absolutely not! Moyes has done more to West Ham than our board has, and as I mentioned above Moyes is a legend of this club. It was the right time for home to go now, and despite wanting him out, I do not hold any ill feelings towards him.
Completely agree he will forever go down as a legend in our history, the change West Ham truly needs is Sullivan selling up and leaving then we can unlock our full potential
Moyes is very interesting. His longevity is remarkable too. He essentially did a similarly impressive job with everton in the 2000s too. The fact he's as good now as he was says something about his determination
The fact he achieved what he did at West Ham after years of back-to-back-to-back ignominy and humiliation at Man United, Real Sociedad and then inevitable relegation at Sunderland too. I’m a Liverpool fan but tribalism be damned, I have mad respect for Moyes and am so happy he managed to retire with some high at West Ham
almost brought a tear to my eye to hear Z talk about the last few years under Moyes. History will look kindly on him I suspect, he took a team in constant turmoil and turned them into the biggest bastards in Europe. Supporting us doesn’t normally bring much joy, but for a few glorious seasons I genuinely thought we were the dogs bollocks, i remember dreaming of champions leagues nights, trips to the camp nou and big European games; for a team that’s used to struggling just to keep its head above water, it didn’t feel right. People will say we’re ungrateful for what he’s done, for the vast majority of West Ham fans, absolutely not, this was the best period of supporting us for the last 50 years, the select few who still rag on Moyes grind my fucking gears, he is a club legend. Sadly, nothing ever lasts forever, and the form recently has been awful, rationally, it’s the right decision. I will never forget Sevilla at home, or that night in Prague, and Moyes is the one who brought us there. My fucking gaffer, I will miss these years
I thought the comments were just giving Zealand a rough time for saying David Moyes was English once, easily done I'm Irish so I regularly conflate Being British as being English (Scotland and Wales are their own thing in my mind). But no he said it twice while also referencing researching Moyse's Wikipedia article, I'll give the chocolate turtle enjoyer a break and just assume each time he says "English manager" he meant to say "British manager".
West Ham fan here: wish Moyes left after the conference league final. Ever since January 2022 we have been in relegation form. We gassed out because of a small squad and the tactics getting found out then and went from 5th to 7th, still impressive but Chelsea and Spurs were nowhere that season so the position is flattering. Last season was one to forget, a 35 game relegation battle with a run in the conference league where the final was the only test. I’ll forever be grateful for that conference league but this has been a long time coming. Footballs boring, transfers fail, academy not used. Have to remove the emotion from what the club needs
Well said mate, another Hammer here. Sucked the joy out of watching the Irons for me, add in the mismanagement of the squad plus the horrific waste of money his transfers have made (even after spending nearly £400m) and it was time to go after the cup last season. We were shite all that season and let's not forget, as great as the win was the game was awful - we only had 3 shots on target all night, the two goals and that light lobbed at the opposition player. So ta Dave and wish you luck in the future but you'll never be a Johnny Lyall or Ron Greenwood.
As a west ham fan Moyes has given me some of the best nights ever. Lyon away, Sevilla at home, and Prague itself but his refusal to work within the new structure at the club with the DOF approach, his refusal to adapt to a more pragmatic style of football given the talent at hand (Paqueta, Kudus, Bowen) has lead to just 4 wins in the last I believe 22/23 games, we have won 4 games in 2024, dropped from 6th all the way to a potential 12th placed finish. I’ll always be grateful for what he has done but the time has come to part ways And the media narrative of “be careful what you wish for” is an embarrassment Did Bournemouth need to be careful, did Palace need to be careful no and they are relative flying under new management.
As a West ham fan i have to give credit to Moyes. He did in a lot of ways do way more good for the club than anybody had done in a looong time. Now with that said, i think its the right decision to change manager. First of all the tranfers done has been abysmal. They have bought so many attackers, just to sell them for peanuts a year or two after because he keeps fielding the same old guard who cant score. not focusing on strengthening a deffence who is lacking severly in quality. The goalkeepers are old and underperforming and its dificult to see what his vision is because there is none. Again he has done alot of good and i will always apreciate him for doing what we did. But dont forget that last year when we won the conference league we were awfull in the prem. We may be spoiled because of what he has acchieved earlier, but now is the right time for someone else to build on what he has done.
It's the "David Moyes" circle of life. Gets hired to a struggling team > Brings them to middle of the pack > club directors start getting higher ambitions > Moyes is fired for a more ambitious coach > club beings to struggle and might get relegated > Moyes gets hired.
@@88balloonsonthewall70 other managers had created a feel good factor at Sunderland moyes came in day 1 said we’re down signed his mates to one last big pay day
As a West Ham fan, Moyse gets so much hate from some of the fans, probably about half. As soon as we lose people automatically call for his head. He doesn't get enough praise for winning the Conference League. I think a lot of West Ham fans just want to moan, especially the older fans. But it is true that his style of football can be frustrating to watch. Almost every year we finish with a negative goal difference. Now is the right time for him to move on.
@@Icarus07cwe aren’t blinded by it you people have no class he won us a EUROPEAN TROPHY yes he had to go but why undermine what all you jerks wanted from this club
Crazy that it's been like 10 years but i still just think of him as synonymous with Everton. Really likes some of the teams he put out with Everton and he did a great job there, he's definitely not a bad manager
Massively underrated manager. I don't think his teams play as 'boring' as people claim, they can be fun to watch when they hit someone with a fast counter. Plus, his time at United really wasn't that bad when you consider what has come since. He was fantastic at Everton prior to the Man United job.
I don't think so - some managers are better at teams which aren't expected to dominate a match. Unai Emery gives the same vibes to me, he'd not be a good manager for a Liverpool or Man Utd, but give him an upper mid-table side like Villa and he'll shine. Moyes for me is in that same group
@@neilbiggs1353 And ole is a manager that fits the bill for a team to finish 2nd? His stature in the game as a manager right now is low and wouldn’t get nowhere near 2nd again with him in charge. You can’t judge a manager who doesn’t get the signings he asked for or money (which wasn’t unreasonable) he said he needed. United fans screwed up by hounding him out and even now some cant admit they were wrong lol, you are getting what you wanted, sacked m agers every year or 2, another on the way, hope you are liking your contributions. Ragnick said it needed open heart surgery and was so disliked by the fans it was impossible to keep him on the board lol, he was telling the truth. Between the fans and the owners it’s a club that is above its station and is having a hard time retraining brains to a world that they are not just worthy winners cause it’s their team
@@JNRF5385 I'm not saying Ole would have done better either, he is just another in a long list of managers who got a job based on their playing reputation, rather than spending the time developing the manager's skillset by working at smaller clubs. What I am saying though is that Moyes is not the right manager for a certain profile club. He might have worked at Chelsea, but not United who have a fanbase that wants to see them go forward. To be fair, with the resources United have, they should be able to dominate matches which is why they shouldn't have gone for Mourinho either who got the squad rotation double.
@@neilbiggs1353 Sometimes you got to understand where you are, and you thought you were still a club that would dominate like fergie did. You should have let moyes get a system of his in place, given him what he needed and eventually if he did have to go for his style problems that you say he has your club would have been in a much better place for it. Also trying to play a fancy way and watch results drop and following a style after such a huge change in your club is crazy thinking, I'd have said do anything to keep your side a top team with a plan of a few years after the almost definite drop when fergie left would have been the better way to go. I mean look at the turmoil ever since. Anyways united fans can't judge Moyes as a bad manager cause you never gave him a chance, the style thing I think is a fair comment but not one United fan should say he wasn't good. Plus look at all the time and resources given to everyone else since but was quick to pull the plug on him. Sacking him was madness and it's not helped you boys
@@JNRF5385 Not a Man Utd fan, but that is the least of your errors! Moyes is not a manager for a top side, he is a very good manager for a side that is an underdog like Everton, West Ham, and honestly Wolves wouldn't be a bad place for him to go if they want to change manager. Most managers only work with a certain type of club. As for Man Utd, you probably ought to look at the finances, they are still a top side, you're deluded if you think otherwise. Their problem is they've picked the wrong manager on multiple occasions and their recruitment has left them with a squad of players who just don't work together well. It's not an easy fix, but they're far from a lost cause too
I think one of the things that has passively raised Moyes’ stock post-United is all the managers who have tried and failed after him. The number of notable names fighting against the player quality, wage structure, behind the scenes nonsense, etc etc has, in hindsight, put the scale of his task there into perspective.
Zealand, I must admit I am a huge fan of you. As a non-biased fan (I am definitely biased) of premier league teams from Northern Ireland. I would say David Moyes has run his course for West Ham and I completely understand why West Ham fans are done with him.
Hey Zealand, I’m sure 0 comments have mentioned this, can’t see it anyway but you may have called Moyes English - just a heads up as nobody at all has mentioned it
His Everton was fantastic at times so we knew he had something. In West Ham he did great but for the level of investment and the talent in his squad I feel he underdelivered in league. At the end he was a really good manager for lower-mid table teams but if you want to make the kind of jump Aston Villa, for example, did (or Leicester), he ain't your man
It’s a shame sometimes with the way the game is that some managers don’t get the full backing to do what they want, but at the same time, because of the money involved that can’t be done. I’ve always said it would be fucking hilarious to see a Premier League where all 20 clubs had virtually unlimited equal resources, the full backing of the club hierarchy, and then have all the British managers like Moyes, Dyche, Allardyce, Warnock, Pulis, Howe, Hodgson, O’Neil, Lampard, Parker, Gerrard, Wilder etc go at it. See what would happen if they were all given free reign over their clubs to play how they want, sign who they want and so on
always been moyes in (im a whu fan), but it seems as if hes going regardless at the end of the season. The last few years have been a real ride of emotions with him. Now i can only hope the new appointment will get us challenging for europe again
As a West Ham fan, I have to say that this is typical Moyes. He always has great starts of the season, but then he gets found out and we start to lose.
I would put that down to being in Europe more than Moyes. Unless you're a big 6 team, the Europa League and Conference League will tend to fatigue your team. They just don't give enough money for a team to expand their playing staff to cope with the extra games
@@MrCrispy941 With respect, you haven't spent enough, and can't realistically. the average number of international standard players at each PL club is 10. So the players you want to rotate also have to be about that standard. It's not just about your club, it's about the rest of the league too, and frankly, good luck trying to sustain spending about £150m more than your rivals to play in a tournament that maybe earns you £40m. There is a reason why Liverpool's teams in the group stages for those look more like a bingo card than a lineup, they don't take them seriously until the knockout stages. The Championship has more than a few clubs that bought badly and had to sell to try to balance the books. Signing players is a gamble, always has been, but the grass is always greener. A far better criticism of Moyes (and of many managers before him) would seem to be how did West Ham go from a club that regularly produced England internationals to one where the only player they have 'produced' was an outcast from Chelsea's academy? There have been a long sequence of managers who have done a poor job of integrating and developing youth, not just Moyes.
Most of what you say is true (although Moyes is Scottish, I'll let you fight that battle alone). He has done some great things for us over the last few years, I just wish there was more acknowledgement of his failings, the reasons many fans can't take any more from him. His lack of squad rotation and size means we run out of steam at the end of almost every season, he allows our youth among the shortest time on the pitch of any PL manager (less than 100 minutes this season I believe), and he fails to utilise the talents of some very good players (Sébastien Haller, Gianluca Scamacca etc.). 70% of the football IS boring and ineffective too - to admit this but point to the results and statistics as good is like going to watch a band play live, whos Music you do not like, but pointing to their record sales and being pleased with it. I'm there to hear the Music man... isn't everybody?
Moyes and his style all play was so disliked by the hammers fans that they forgot they hadn't won a trophy forever and they were constantly struggling. Clearly best of the rest and a europa cup wasn't enough for these disrespectful fans.
As a West Ham fan, obv appreciate Moyes for keeping us up and eventually winning the Conference league. But let’s be honest, the Europa league the year before was there for the taking and our premier league campaigns have fizzled out in the closing stages every year as he has no interest in building/rotating a squad. Also showing my age a bit, but even from his Everton days, he’s been incapable of utilising a striker. Non West Ham fans simply don’t realise how frustrating it is to keep hearing the club have no money to spend, despite the amount of money the owners have wasted on the likes of Haller and Scamacca (who are not bad players) that their manager could not/would not use.
Squad rotation is far from easy in the Premier League - most teams have a first 11 that is almost entirely filled with international players, so you need to rotate in players of a similar standard, or who can at least do a job against them, and that is without having to account for the extra fatigue that the remaining players are carrying. Most clubs in the Europa League (and now the Europa Conference League) need about another 4 or 5 players who are of international standard, even Liverpool seem to hit the wall about February as the fixture count takes a toll on them (exacerbated by Klopp's tactics) and they have line-ups that look like bingo cards in the group games of the Europa League etc. It's an interesting problem for the PL in that their domestic money distribution is pretty even - the top club gets about 1.5 what the bottom teams does, so most teams are really close to each other in terms of what money they can rely upon. For comparison, the ratios in the Bundesliga and La Liga are about 3-3.5, their higher placed teams have a bit more of an advantage compared to the teams around them. If a PL team tries to buy the extra players they need to be in the minor league European competitions, they are likely setting themselves up to be in financial trouble in a season or two. It's one of the reasons why Leicester fell foul of the PSR regs. That's not to say there aren't problems with Moyes, I don't think he has much of a record at all of integrating youth products from the academy at any club (barring truly exceptional kids like Rooney), but the fizzling out feels like an issue of the competition more than the manager. It hits too many teams. You can also argue there are issues with how clubs grow their commercial income, West Ham's shirt deal is about £10m a season, which feels pretty good compared to their near rivals, but well short of the about £35m the likes of Arsenal etc get. That is on the board. I'm pretty confident that West Ham would be fine next season because of missing out on Europe, Brighton will likely be better too, the Europa League just doesn't give a club the resources to compete in that as well as the Premier League, and I'm not going to hold that against the managers. They can play tired players, or play people who probably aren't quite good enough, rotation is a catch 22 for anyone outside of the Big 6 (and it's not easy for anyone except Man city)
I will genuinely never forgive some members of our fan base for screaming for moyes' head for the last year and a half straight. They gorget we wouldve been relegated if moyes didnt save us in 2020. The best nights of my life supporting west ham have been under moyes. Beating arsenal 2-0, that lanzini goal against spurs. The pure ecstacy of bowen winning us a trophy. People forget that yes we are a big club, but this is the best west ham team of most of our liftime due to moyes. I supported him through thick and thin. The moyesiah
Managers are incredibly hard to assess. With player contracts being the way they are, it usually takes a few years to reshape a squad to only have the kind of players who fit what you want to do, so the first few seasons aren't necessarily a good indicator - how much is you vs how much is what is down to the club and predecessors? Then you have to look at how a club is doing relative to their resources, in comparison to other clubs and to what is going on, and finally you have to look at the kind of environment where a coach works best. If I jump to say Unai Emery for a second, compare how he flopped at Arsenal, vs how he is doing at Villa, he seems to be a manager who is a better fit at that level of club below the elite ones, where there isn't that expectation of dominating games. Moyes feels like the same type which is one of the reasons he flopped at United, they were expected to control games where he has generally managed a more reactive time (like Everton for example). Add that to the fact he picked up a squad that were in need of a refresh, and that process should have started the season before, even though Utd have great resources, they can't change that quickly. I'd guess that almost no manager would have worked in that situation, at least not in comparison to a fanbase that expected the dominance of the league to continue. What I find to be a factor that often goes undiscussed in the Premier League is the harm that European campaigns seem to do with any club outside of the 'Big 6'. It feels like in the case of about 2/3rds of clubs, their seasons in Europe usually combine with them getting less points than the season before. With how the PL money is distributed relatively evenly, and it being the majority of club funding, when a club goes in to Europe, they find themselves playing almost a quarter of a season more worth of games in the same interval, with barely enough money to add 2 players, let alone the likely 5 or 6 they'd really need to be able to rest and rotate the squad. The reason it costs so much to add players is the PL teams typically have 10 full internationals in their squad. To compete in the games, you need to have roughly equal, and that's why it's just the Big 6 (with their advantages in commercial revenue and to a lesser extent matchday) who can maintain their seasons when in Europe, and even then it's a tough ask. I expect West Ham to be fine next season without the European football wearing down on the squad, but that is to not understate how well Moyes has done in his time there. He just hit the limit of what West Ham can do, and not many managers get a club to that limit
The criticism David Moyes got after taking over from Sir Alex was always unfair everybody had been saying for years that who ever took over had an impossible job. I don't care who you say Ancelloti, Klopp, Pep they all would have struggled.
For me, the big problem with United started with Fergie's final season. It should have been a season to redevelop the squad, instead he went all out to finish on a high note. Moyes was expected to keep winning when the need to overhaul the squad became worse so yeah, I'd agree with you. What has made things worse is that the managers after him haven't been consistent in their philosophies so United have this 'FrankenSquad' with lots of pieces that would work well in other teams, but just don't stitch together in to a good team. It may take a while to sort this out too, they can't move on players if no-one is willing to match the wages Utd have been paying them.
Well, saying it didn't work out at man united can be said for every manager at united since Fergie. The Afghanistan of football: graveyard of managers (Moyes, Mourinho, Ole, Ten Hag)
Moyes inherited a decaying Man Utd under the Glazers immediately after the departure of one of the greatest managers in history. He was practically set up to fail.
I remember when Moyes was in Manu and wish they gave him time to shine. It’s honestly really sad how coaches get all the flack whenever teams lose and rushing them to create a winning formula.
I think it's well worth highlighting what he achieved at Everton that saw him become sir Alex's handpicked replacement... I still think if United had let moyes have a few seasons they would be in less trouble today, he had a proven track record of building a solid team
Being a West Ham fan, I have to say Moyes was probably one of the best thing that happened to us lately, and despite all the flaws, like wasting money on strikers just to sell them of for nothing (which is slightly mitigated by Antonio playing somewhat okayish) or completely uninteresting style and tactics, he did give us results for so long, alongside the trophy we probably will cherish for a long time. I still think it's time for a change, but we can't say he was that bad, especially since, as I said, he gave us the results.
Trying to give you benefit of doubt, hoping someone else had provided you with such shallow info. Will be more careful about assuming lots of followers means anything. @Zealandism
@@Zealandism If that was your point, then I guess you got there. I would have liked to see something more accurate imo... Something like turns out he sucked and sucked again and again and then didn't suck after all. While I do appreciate his efforts at the club I am tired of the shallow narrative that West Ham should be grateful to him never mentions the reverse. Truth is that at the top level he accomplished nothing until that Conference League win and that without it the CV is less than good. The reason I say this is because he was at the top level and only had a positive win pct at his "flop" tenure in Manchester. He managed below Premier League only once before getting the Everton job and then proceeded to underwhelm everywhere he went until he came to West Ham. West Ham is listed as the 7th most valuable club in the Premier League, 15th in the world. During Moyes' latest tenure at West Ham the team has averaged 9th in the prem. They will finish 9th or perhaps worse this season. The same period has seen the team post a goal differential of -3, unlikely to improve in the remaining games. His biggest sin and the one which has turned most fans against him is his unwillingness to build depth and provide game experience to the backups and academy players. This has left the team as the oldest in the league with several players leaving after this season and a huge rebuilding job ahead.
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West Ham fan here looking to give non hammers insight into our heads and thoughts on Moyes as I’ve seen a lot of non hammers give us stick for wanting him gone, firstly I have never wanted Moyes to be sacked from his position but I have said since the start of last season that we should not renew his contract at the end of this season and I even stuck to that opinion when we won the uecl last season I love Moyes more then most things in my life he has given our club things I could only dream of and I couldn’t have asked for more but at some point we have to move on and just try and reach higher then where we are now and sadly I truly think Moyes can not do that West Ham this is as far as he can take us the way he plays football is negative for games against top top European clubs and again I love Moyes and will never ever forget him he is a West Ham icon in my opinion I would have a statue up at the bowl in the future but sadly this is as far as he can take us and it’s time for him to leave as the legend he is SUPER DAVID MOYES OUR MOYESIAH ⚒️🫧⚒️ p.s I’m slightly nervous as to whether our new manager could do better then Moyes as the change we need at the club is Sullivan leaving with Moyes but only time will tell, if you made it this far give this a like so others can read about what the real opinion on Moyes is in the minds of the majority at West Ham
I said it at the time, how he was treated at united was so silly, how could they expect their team to be much better than they were after fergie leaving. Well……… the fans got what they want, which is why I laugh at the united fans right now, honestly can’t stop watching the crisis videos 😂. Newcastle fan here btw 😂
Man kept Everton up despite going like 2 full seasons without paying a transfer fee for a player because of the financial situation. Man was always great but literally anyone was going to fail as the first person post-SAF.
I feel Z is skipping over his time at Sunderland where he lost 28 out of 43 matches and got them relegated for the first time in ten years.............😅
Saying "it was nearly west ham that managed to end it" like Leverkusen haven't come back from the brink of loss multiple times this season. Lmao it was almost Qarabag as well.
Man United job after Ferguson retired was just a trap for whichever manager took it. Moyes was doomed from the start but at least he got a good paycheck for it.
I know people act like football didn't exist before 92 (Premier League breakaway/Champions League rebrand), but seeing people surprised that football existed before a decade ago????
Moyes has been excellent for West Ham, I do however think it's run its course with Moyes. Last premier league season west ham wasn't safe from relegation until near the end of April and this season a promising start has fizzled out with some absolutely poor performances.
Zealand it's not that weird when you consider his 11 years of overperforming at Everton that got him the Man Utd job in the first place. Oh, and he bought Tim Howard.
The Scottish David Moyes should have stayed at Everton. And not gone to Man Utd. Because Fergie knew that team was in trouble. Also the Man Utd players were to dense to understand his defensive training saying it was too complicated. And Man Utd are still leaking goals 10 years later.
Moves was never a bad coach, his time at Everton was excellent overall, he was poorly suited to that Man Utd team (let's be honest anyone trying to follow Sir Alex was on a hiding to nothing) there are some things I'm sure Moyes would tell you he could have done better, but David Moyes wasn't a bad coach
The difference is, when he left the first time, the squad was a relegation threatened squad. Pellegrini was poor. The squad now is not a relegation quality squad. We will always be grateful to Moyes, but do not let the conference league win distract you from how bad we were in the league. Go and watch it, go and look at the football and the results. I think Zealand is being slightly disingenuous here, which is a rarity. "While getting them to finish 14th". We almost got relegated, which was a pre requisite for him getting the job. "Allegedly playing boring football". Mate, come on
Like really. Its not that his style is boring (it is), but recently (1.5 full seasons now). Its poor, its slow, its depressing, its defensive but defensively weak. I love you zealand and the general tone of the video is fine, but some of the comments are way off the mark and make west ham fans look ungrateful.
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Ya know, professing your admiration for Moyes and then calling him English in the same sentence, mixed signals.
Calling Moyes English is a brave move 🤣
Average American geography for ya 😂
Met him in either 2003 or 2004, had patiently waited for him to finish a drink in a café, didn't want to interrupt his family time, he was Everton manager back then... approached him as I thought he was paying up at the till, turns out he was buying more drinks... he thanked me for being respectful of his family time and invited me over to his table... spent more than an hour with him and his family discussing football (obviously), but also he took a great interest in my job at the time, the city of Paris (where we had met, and where I was a tour guide), food, family, his kids education, etc, etc... really interesting man
Wow what a bloody lovely story 😂😂😊
Sounds lovely dude. I love Moyes. Cherish that moment forever man
Looking forward to the apology video for calling Moyes English 😂
As a West Ham fan - Moyes has given us a fantastic few years, unbelievable even. I was Moyes In till the last moment, and still like the guy. But this is honestly the best time for a change. The biggest issue at the club isn't Moyes, it's the owner.
Agreed mate. Cracking sentiment. 👏 COYI!
Biggest issue is the league to be honest - when 3 of the 4 (non-big 6) teams who are in Europe struggle in the league because of the extra fixtures, the problem goes well beyond West Ham. It's the drawback of the relatively even money distribution in the league, that the upper mid table clubs get effectively about an extra quarter of a season compared to their rivals, but don't get the money to really fund the extra squad size you need. I'm pretty confident that West Ham, Newcastle and Brighton will be in much better shape next season without the extra games, regardless of who is in charge (although Eddie Howe does seem to attract injuries so I'd be asking questions at Newcastle)
@saucexoliveria yeaaaaah.. I hear you mate. I battle whether he’s like that for the views. He honestly brings nothing to the table. If you look at his content over a year it’s all bluster and toxic click bait.
I’ve got bored of a lot of the fan channels this year. I understand the sentiment of feeling patronised by the pundits when they were telling us we were lucky to have Moyse and fans were mad for wanting him to leave.
However, I’ve also felt marginalised for having my views by people that are meant to be of the same fanbase. It’s been mental, toxic and embarrassing at times.
I respect Moyse. He’s been good for us. He’s given us some of the best days in our history. I wish him all the best and I think it’s the right time to go.
Re; Fulham. Love the Cottage, mate. Proper stadium, that. Beautiful club. I used to go games back in the Keegan days!
Absolutely spot on mate, he will always be a West Ham legend for me. Sad to see him go, but the time is right.
@saucexoliveria C&B isn't a genuine fan icl - he says anything to get clicks.
People forget how good his Everton teams were and he did pretty much the same with West Ham in the cup last year - he’s such a capable manager even if his tactics are now outdated
Would be interesting to see him return to everton in a year or so if they get rid of dyche
Yeh Everton teams under him were excellent. Got them out of trouble too in his first season
As a Preston North End supporter, i love to hear of your admiration for Moysie. He started his managerial career with us at the end of his playkng days and was absolutely fantastic before Everton swooped in for him. He will always have a home here.
American calls David Moyes a 'middling English manager' and thinks the word 'middling' is the insult.
No, the real insult is be calling him "English."
Edit: I misread the comment and I'm a dumb stupid American. Carry on.
Edit 2: to the 16 people that liked my comment as of right now... Might want to ring up your local optometrist.
@@DMFroomerso true
@@DMFroomer you are not very bright buddy are ya
With how SNP are doing in recent polls, I give Scotland another ten years before they join England once and for all.
(Please don't hurt me.)
Brother, English fans use the term "bang average" as an insult
As a West Ham fan, I am super grateful for Moyes and he’s 1000% a club legend, iconic manager for us. But I think it’s easy to look at West Ham from the outside, and see the Conference league win and presume that things are ok.
Unfortunately Moyes also came with challenges. He doesn’t use subs, doesn’t give the youth a go, and the football has been really hard to watch. We’ve been absolutely thrashed 5-0 this season more times than I can remember, and there is a sense that we have the potential to go further.
And to an extent, yes Moyes has guided us towards the trophy but the players also plaid a role. We have an amazing squad with talented players and we are being held back a lot by his tactics and favouritism.
I think there is a sense that we are sleeping giant and Moyes is now holding us back not bringing us forward.
However does this mean that Moyes didn’t bring us forward or helped our club? Absolutely not! Moyes has done more to West Ham than our board has, and as I mentioned above Moyes is a legend of this club. It was the right time for home to go now, and despite wanting him out, I do not hold any ill feelings towards him.
Completely agree he will forever go down as a legend in our history, the change West Ham truly needs is Sullivan selling up and leaving then we can unlock our full potential
Well said
Sleeping giant??? Come on
@@carlkontermann5637 Why not? Teams rise and fall. United and Chelsea seem to be falling, so might be West Ham's turn to rise.
@@edwardking9359 for sure but I just cant see that happening in the near future
Moyes is very interesting. His longevity is remarkable too. He essentially did a similarly impressive job with everton in the 2000s too. The fact he's as good now as he was says something about his determination
The fact he achieved what he did at West Ham after years of back-to-back-to-back ignominy and humiliation at Man United, Real Sociedad and then inevitable relegation at Sunderland too. I’m a Liverpool fan but tribalism be damned, I have mad respect for Moyes and am so happy he managed to retire with some high at West Ham
It's also worth remembering the job he done at Everton before going to Man U
almost brought a tear to my eye to hear Z talk about the last few years under Moyes. History will look kindly on him I suspect, he took a team in constant turmoil and turned them into the biggest bastards in Europe.
Supporting us doesn’t normally bring much joy, but for a few glorious seasons I genuinely thought we were the dogs bollocks, i remember dreaming of champions leagues nights, trips to the camp nou and big European games; for a team that’s used to struggling just to keep its head above water, it didn’t feel right.
People will say we’re ungrateful for what he’s done, for the vast majority of West Ham fans, absolutely not, this was the best period of supporting us for the last 50 years, the select few who still rag on Moyes grind my fucking gears, he is a club legend. Sadly, nothing ever lasts forever, and the form recently has been awful, rationally, it’s the right decision.
I will never forget Sevilla at home, or that night in Prague, and Moyes is the one who brought us there. My fucking gaffer, I will miss these years
I thought the comments were just giving Zealand a rough time for saying David Moyes was English once, easily done I'm Irish so I regularly conflate Being British as being English (Scotland and Wales are their own thing in my mind). But no he said it twice while also referencing researching Moyse's Wikipedia article, I'll give the chocolate turtle enjoyer a break and just assume each time he says "English manager" he meant to say "British manager".
West Ham fan here: wish Moyes left after the conference league final. Ever since January 2022 we have been in relegation form. We gassed out because of a small squad and the tactics getting found out then and went from 5th to 7th, still impressive but Chelsea and Spurs were nowhere that season so the position is flattering. Last season was one to forget, a 35 game relegation battle with a run in the conference league where the final was the only test. I’ll forever be grateful for that conference league but this has been a long time coming. Footballs boring, transfers fail, academy not used. Have to remove the emotion from what the club needs
Well said mate, another Hammer here. Sucked the joy out of watching the Irons for me, add in the mismanagement of the squad plus the horrific waste of money his transfers have made (even after spending nearly £400m) and it was time to go after the cup last season. We were shite all that season and let's not forget, as great as the win was the game was awful - we only had 3 shots on target all night, the two goals and that light lobbed at the opposition player. So ta Dave and wish you luck in the future but you'll never be a Johnny Lyall or Ron Greenwood.
"Getting dealt a couple 2's and an Antony" lol
As a west ham fan Moyes has given me some of the best nights ever. Lyon away, Sevilla at home, and Prague itself but his refusal to work within the new structure at the club with the DOF approach, his refusal to adapt to a more pragmatic style of football given the talent at hand (Paqueta, Kudus, Bowen) has lead to just 4 wins in the last I believe 22/23 games, we have won 4 games in 2024, dropped from 6th all the way to a potential 12th placed finish.
I’ll always be grateful for what he has done but the time has come to part ways
And the media narrative of “be careful what you wish for” is an embarrassment
Did Bournemouth need to be careful, did Palace need to be careful no and they are relative flying under new management.
I feel it would be remiss of me as one of ‘Jock Tamson’s Bairns’ to not point out Moyes is a fellow Scot, not English
As a West ham fan i have to give credit to Moyes. He did in a lot of ways do way more good for the club than anybody had done in a looong time. Now with that said, i think its the right decision to change manager. First of all the tranfers done has been abysmal. They have bought so many attackers, just to sell them for peanuts a year or two after because he keeps fielding the same old guard who cant score. not focusing on strengthening a deffence who is lacking severly in quality. The goalkeepers are old and underperforming and its dificult to see what his vision is because there is none. Again he has done alot of good and i will always apreciate him for doing what we did. But dont forget that last year when we won the conference league we were awfull in the prem. We may be spoiled because of what he has acchieved earlier, but now is the right time for someone else to build on what he has done.
Sup dude. Killin it, love your shit. Keep it up
Man, your videos are a good distraction from life, very grateful for that at the moment thank you
It's the "David Moyes" circle of life. Gets hired to a struggling team > Brings them to middle of the pack > club directors start getting higher ambitions > Moyes is fired for a more ambitious coach > club beings to struggle and might get relegated > Moyes gets hired.
Not true he also made Man Utd and sunderland worse set in a rot that hasn’t finished
@@safcjcpThose two clubs are great examples of clubs that have failed in the organization, not the failure of a single manager.
@@88balloonsonthewall70 other managers had created a feel good factor at Sunderland moyes came in day 1 said we’re down signed his mates to one last big pay day
If Moyes sees this this you're gonna be glad you can run! Calling a Scotsman, English is an insult punishable by death. 😂
Moyes, the English manager 😂 😂 .
Zealandism should cover Eurovision Songcontest.
YES
Zealand. You need to cover Liam Rosenior being sacked
As a West Ham fan, Moyse gets so much hate from some of the fans, probably about half. As soon as we lose people automatically call for his head. He doesn't get enough praise for winning the Conference League. I think a lot of West Ham fans just want to moan, especially the older fans. But it is true that his style of football can be frustrating to watch. Almost every year we finish with a negative goal difference. Now is the right time for him to move on.
@@Icarus07cwe aren’t blinded by it you people have no class he won us a EUROPEAN TROPHY yes he had to go but why undermine what all you jerks wanted from this club
Crazy that it's been like 10 years but i still just think of him as synonymous with Everton. Really likes some of the teams he put out with Everton and he did a great job there, he's definitely not a bad manager
Massively underrated manager. I don't think his teams play as 'boring' as people claim, they can be fun to watch when they hit someone with a fast counter. Plus, his time at United really wasn't that bad when you consider what has come since. He was fantastic at Everton prior to the Man United job.
I've been saying it for years: If United had given Moyes the same patience and money they gave Ole, they'd have at *least* one league by now.
I don't think so - some managers are better at teams which aren't expected to dominate a match. Unai Emery gives the same vibes to me, he'd not be a good manager for a Liverpool or Man Utd, but give him an upper mid-table side like Villa and he'll shine. Moyes for me is in that same group
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And ole is a manager that fits the bill for a team to finish 2nd? His stature in the game as a manager right now is low and wouldn’t get nowhere near 2nd again with him in charge.
You can’t judge a manager who doesn’t get the signings he asked for or money (which wasn’t unreasonable) he said he needed.
United fans screwed up by hounding him out and even now some cant admit they were wrong lol, you are getting what you wanted, sacked m agers every year or 2, another on the way, hope you are liking your contributions.
Ragnick said it needed open heart surgery and was so disliked by the fans it was impossible to keep him on the board lol, he was telling the truth. Between the fans and the owners it’s a club that is above its station and is having a hard time retraining brains to a world that they are not just worthy winners cause it’s their team
@@JNRF5385 I'm not saying Ole would have done better either, he is just another in a long list of managers who got a job based on their playing reputation, rather than spending the time developing the manager's skillset by working at smaller clubs. What I am saying though is that Moyes is not the right manager for a certain profile club. He might have worked at Chelsea, but not United who have a fanbase that wants to see them go forward. To be fair, with the resources United have, they should be able to dominate matches which is why they shouldn't have gone for Mourinho either who got the squad rotation double.
@@neilbiggs1353
Sometimes you got to understand where you are, and you thought you were still a club that would dominate like fergie did. You should have let moyes get a system of his in place, given him what he needed and eventually if he did have to go for his style problems that you say he has your club would have been in a much better place for it.
Also trying to play a fancy way and watch results drop and following a style after such a huge change in your club is crazy thinking, I'd have said do anything to keep your side a top team with a plan of a few years after the almost definite drop when fergie left would have been the better way to go. I mean look at the turmoil ever since.
Anyways united fans can't judge Moyes as a bad manager cause you never gave him a chance, the style thing I think is a fair comment but not one United fan should say he wasn't good. Plus look at all the time and resources given to everyone else since but was quick to pull the plug on him.
Sacking him was madness and it's not helped you boys
@@JNRF5385 Not a Man Utd fan, but that is the least of your errors! Moyes is not a manager for a top side, he is a very good manager for a side that is an underdog like Everton, West Ham, and honestly Wolves wouldn't be a bad place for him to go if they want to change manager. Most managers only work with a certain type of club.
As for Man Utd, you probably ought to look at the finances, they are still a top side, you're deluded if you think otherwise. Their problem is they've picked the wrong manager on multiple occasions and their recruitment has left them with a squad of players who just don't work together well. It's not an easy fix, but they're far from a lost cause too
Zeeland didn't know what he just did but calling him English 😂😂😂😂
Italy plays "boring" football but has 4 world cup trophies. History remembers winners
Back in the 30s they won thanks to Mussolini
I think one of the things that has passively raised Moyes’ stock post-United is all the managers who have tried and failed after him. The number of notable names fighting against the player quality, wage structure, behind the scenes nonsense, etc etc has, in hindsight, put the scale of his task there into perspective.
Zealand, I must admit I am a huge fan of you. As a non-biased fan (I am definitely biased) of premier league teams from Northern Ireland. I would say David Moyes has run his course for West Ham and I completely understand why West Ham fans are done with him.
this reminds me of the song "MC Moyes" by Joe Weller... i mean... how many managers have songs written about them, and a rap song in fact...
More like he learnt from his errors and has grown into a good manager
Hey Zealand, I’m sure 0 comments have mentioned this, can’t see it anyway but you may have called Moyes English - just a heads up as nobody at all has mentioned it
It’s only the subject in the video’s top three comments!
His Everton was fantastic at times so we knew he had something. In West Ham he did great but for the level of investment and the talent in his squad I feel he underdelivered in league. At the end he was a really good manager for lower-mid table teams but if you want to make the kind of jump Aston Villa, for example, did (or Leicester), he ain't your man
It’s a shame sometimes with the way the game is that some managers don’t get the full backing to do what they want, but at the same time, because of the money involved that can’t be done.
I’ve always said it would be fucking hilarious to see a Premier League where all 20 clubs had virtually unlimited equal resources, the full backing of the club hierarchy, and then have all the British managers like Moyes, Dyche, Allardyce, Warnock, Pulis, Howe, Hodgson, O’Neil, Lampard, Parker, Gerrard, Wilder etc go at it. See what would happen if they were all given free reign over their clubs to play how they want, sign who they want and so on
Moyesie is scottish brother
always been moyes in (im a whu fan), but it seems as if hes going regardless at the end of the season. The last few years have been a real ride of emotions with him. Now i can only hope the new appointment will get us challenging for europe again
As a West Ham fan, I have to say that this is typical Moyes. He always has great starts of the season, but then he gets found out and we start to lose.
Short memory. You'll be struggling to stay in the Prem again shortly
With respect, you don't watch West Ham, you don't know. So just stay quiet@@mabozar15
I would put that down to being in Europe more than Moyes. Unless you're a big 6 team, the Europa League and Conference League will tend to fatigue your team. They just don't give enough money for a team to expand their playing staff to cope with the extra games
@@neilbiggs1353 with respect, we have spent a lot. He refused several signings in January and insists on a small squad. It is his fault.
@@MrCrispy941 With respect, you haven't spent enough, and can't realistically. the average number of international standard players at each PL club is 10. So the players you want to rotate also have to be about that standard. It's not just about your club, it's about the rest of the league too, and frankly, good luck trying to sustain spending about £150m more than your rivals to play in a tournament that maybe earns you £40m. There is a reason why Liverpool's teams in the group stages for those look more like a bingo card than a lineup, they don't take them seriously until the knockout stages.
The Championship has more than a few clubs that bought badly and had to sell to try to balance the books. Signing players is a gamble, always has been, but the grass is always greener. A far better criticism of Moyes (and of many managers before him) would seem to be how did West Ham go from a club that regularly produced England internationals to one where the only player they have 'produced' was an outcast from Chelsea's academy? There have been a long sequence of managers who have done a poor job of integrating and developing youth, not just Moyes.
Most of what you say is true (although Moyes is Scottish, I'll let you fight that battle alone). He has done some great things for us over the last few years, I just wish there was more acknowledgement of his failings, the reasons many fans can't take any more from him. His lack of squad rotation and size means we run out of steam at the end of almost every season, he allows our youth among the shortest time on the pitch of any PL manager (less than 100 minutes this season I believe), and he fails to utilise the talents of some very good players (Sébastien Haller, Gianluca Scamacca etc.). 70% of the football IS boring and ineffective too - to admit this but point to the results and statistics as good is like going to watch a band play live, whos Music you do not like, but pointing to their record sales and being pleased with it. I'm there to hear the Music man... isn't everybody?
Crusty?? - Yes...
Old?? - Yes...
English?? - WTF!!
NGL I would love to see him go back to Everton, even if it's just for a season.
Rather have dyche as an Evertonian
"There are certain people in the game of football that I feel like are disrespected"
"English"
Bloody hell Zealand 🤣🤣
Moyes and his style all play was so disliked by the hammers fans that they forgot they hadn't won a trophy forever and they were constantly struggling. Clearly best of the rest and a europa cup wasn't enough for these disrespectful fans.
As a West Ham fan, obv appreciate Moyes for keeping us up and eventually winning the Conference league.
But let’s be honest, the Europa league the year before was there for the taking and our premier league campaigns have fizzled out in the closing stages every year as he has no interest in building/rotating a squad.
Also showing my age a bit, but even from his Everton days, he’s been incapable of utilising a striker.
Non West Ham fans simply don’t realise how frustrating it is to keep hearing the club have no money to spend, despite the amount of money the owners have wasted on the likes of Haller and Scamacca (who are not bad players) that their manager could not/would not use.
Squad rotation is far from easy in the Premier League - most teams have a first 11 that is almost entirely filled with international players, so you need to rotate in players of a similar standard, or who can at least do a job against them, and that is without having to account for the extra fatigue that the remaining players are carrying. Most clubs in the Europa League (and now the Europa Conference League) need about another 4 or 5 players who are of international standard, even Liverpool seem to hit the wall about February as the fixture count takes a toll on them (exacerbated by Klopp's tactics) and they have line-ups that look like bingo cards in the group games of the Europa League etc.
It's an interesting problem for the PL in that their domestic money distribution is pretty even - the top club gets about 1.5 what the bottom teams does, so most teams are really close to each other in terms of what money they can rely upon. For comparison, the ratios in the Bundesliga and La Liga are about 3-3.5, their higher placed teams have a bit more of an advantage compared to the teams around them. If a PL team tries to buy the extra players they need to be in the minor league European competitions, they are likely setting themselves up to be in financial trouble in a season or two. It's one of the reasons why Leicester fell foul of the PSR regs.
That's not to say there aren't problems with Moyes, I don't think he has much of a record at all of integrating youth products from the academy at any club (barring truly exceptional kids like Rooney), but the fizzling out feels like an issue of the competition more than the manager. It hits too many teams. You can also argue there are issues with how clubs grow their commercial income, West Ham's shirt deal is about £10m a season, which feels pretty good compared to their near rivals, but well short of the about £35m the likes of Arsenal etc get. That is on the board. I'm pretty confident that West Ham would be fine next season because of missing out on Europe, Brighton will likely be better too, the Europa League just doesn't give a club the resources to compete in that as well as the Premier League, and I'm not going to hold that against the managers. They can play tired players, or play people who probably aren't quite good enough, rotation is a catch 22 for anyone outside of the Big 6 (and it's not easy for anyone except Man city)
I will genuinely never forgive some members of our fan base for screaming for moyes' head for the last year and a half straight. They gorget we wouldve been relegated if moyes didnt save us in 2020. The best nights of my life supporting west ham have been under moyes. Beating arsenal 2-0, that lanzini goal against spurs. The pure ecstacy of bowen winning us a trophy. People forget that yes we are a big club, but this is the best west ham team of most of our liftime due to moyes. I supported him through thick and thin. The moyesiah
Managers are incredibly hard to assess. With player contracts being the way they are, it usually takes a few years to reshape a squad to only have the kind of players who fit what you want to do, so the first few seasons aren't necessarily a good indicator - how much is you vs how much is what is down to the club and predecessors? Then you have to look at how a club is doing relative to their resources, in comparison to other clubs and to what is going on, and finally you have to look at the kind of environment where a coach works best. If I jump to say Unai Emery for a second, compare how he flopped at Arsenal, vs how he is doing at Villa, he seems to be a manager who is a better fit at that level of club below the elite ones, where there isn't that expectation of dominating games. Moyes feels like the same type which is one of the reasons he flopped at United, they were expected to control games where he has generally managed a more reactive time (like Everton for example). Add that to the fact he picked up a squad that were in need of a refresh, and that process should have started the season before, even though Utd have great resources, they can't change that quickly. I'd guess that almost no manager would have worked in that situation, at least not in comparison to a fanbase that expected the dominance of the league to continue.
What I find to be a factor that often goes undiscussed in the Premier League is the harm that European campaigns seem to do with any club outside of the 'Big 6'. It feels like in the case of about 2/3rds of clubs, their seasons in Europe usually combine with them getting less points than the season before. With how the PL money is distributed relatively evenly, and it being the majority of club funding, when a club goes in to Europe, they find themselves playing almost a quarter of a season more worth of games in the same interval, with barely enough money to add 2 players, let alone the likely 5 or 6 they'd really need to be able to rest and rotate the squad. The reason it costs so much to add players is the PL teams typically have 10 full internationals in their squad. To compete in the games, you need to have roughly equal, and that's why it's just the Big 6 (with their advantages in commercial revenue and to a lesser extent matchday) who can maintain their seasons when in Europe, and even then it's a tough ask.
I expect West Ham to be fine next season without the European football wearing down on the squad, but that is to not understate how well Moyes has done in his time there. He just hit the limit of what West Ham can do, and not many managers get a club to that limit
Moyes has the ability to remove all positivity from a team
Moyes is probably unironically a top 10 premier keague manager all time, when you deep it, he's certainly the best to never win the league.
Loving these videos 👍
The criticism David Moyes got after taking over from Sir Alex was always unfair everybody had been saying for years that who ever took over had an impossible job. I don't care who you say Ancelloti, Klopp, Pep they all would have struggled.
For me, the big problem with United started with Fergie's final season. It should have been a season to redevelop the squad, instead he went all out to finish on a high note. Moyes was expected to keep winning when the need to overhaul the squad became worse so yeah, I'd agree with you. What has made things worse is that the managers after him haven't been consistent in their philosophies so United have this 'FrankenSquad' with lots of pieces that would work well in other teams, but just don't stitch together in to a good team. It may take a while to sort this out too, they can't move on players if no-one is willing to match the wages Utd have been paying them.
Well, saying it didn't work out at man united can be said for every manager at united since Fergie. The Afghanistan of football: graveyard of managers (Moyes, Mourinho, Ole, Ten Hag)
How can you forget Louis van Gaal.. XD..
He done wonders at Everton too
Moyes inherited a decaying Man Utd under the Glazers immediately after the departure of one of the greatest managers in history. He was practically set up to fail.
I remember when Moyes was in Manu and wish they gave him time to shine. It’s honestly really sad how coaches get all the flack whenever teams lose and rushing them to create a winning formula.
Maybe don't go to Scotland for till this blows over 😂
I think it's well worth highlighting what he achieved at Everton that saw him become sir Alex's handpicked replacement... I still think if United had let moyes have a few seasons they would be in less trouble today, he had a proven track record of building a solid team
The senior players at utd didnt help him with the leadership.
Being a West Ham fan, I have to say Moyes was probably one of the best thing that happened to us lately, and despite all the flaws, like wasting money on strikers just to sell them of for nothing (which is slightly mitigated by Antonio playing somewhat okayish) or completely uninteresting style and tactics, he did give us results for so long, alongside the trophy we probably will cherish for a long time. I still think it's time for a change, but we can't say he was that bad, especially since, as I said, he gave us the results.
People forget that what Moyes did at Everton was amazing!
If you took out the big 6, he would've won the league like 4 years on the trot 😂
Antony being an offsuit 7 ... 😉😂
I've only listened to the first minute so far - it sounds like Moyes has passed away.
Would thought you could afford better researchers...but this level "tribute " is representative of the man's career.
Brother this channel is me sitting at my desk what do you mean researchers
Trying to give you benefit of doubt, hoping someone else had provided you with such shallow info. Will be more careful about assuming lots of followers means anything. @Zealandism
@@betterscotch I mean the point of the video was to go over how he bounced back from his United flop, what do you feel like I missed
@@Zealandism If that was your point, then I guess you got there. I would have liked to see something more accurate imo... Something like turns out he sucked and sucked again and again and then didn't suck after all.
While I do appreciate his efforts at the club I am tired of the shallow narrative that West Ham should be grateful to him never mentions the reverse. Truth is that at the top level he accomplished nothing until that Conference League win and that without it the CV is less than good. The reason I say this is because he was at the top level and only had a positive win pct at his "flop" tenure in Manchester. He managed below Premier League only once before getting the Everton job and then proceeded to underwhelm everywhere he went until he came to West Ham.
West Ham is listed as the 7th most valuable club in the Premier League, 15th in the world. During Moyes' latest tenure at West Ham the team has averaged 9th in the prem. They will finish 9th or perhaps worse this season. The same period has seen the team post a goal differential of -3, unlikely to improve in the remaining games.
His biggest sin and the one which has turned most fans against him is his unwillingness to build depth and provide game experience to the backups and academy players. This has left the team as the oldest in the league with several players leaving after this season and a huge rebuilding job ahead.
Can you talk about how Detroit City FC, a USL team who had the most authentic journey to where they are now, just beat the defending US Open Cup champs Houston. No only is the story of Detroit insane in it's own right but it's especially juicy with the whole MLS dropping the cup debate going on right now
West Ham fan here looking to give non hammers insight into our heads and thoughts on Moyes as I’ve seen a lot of non hammers give us stick for wanting him gone, firstly I have never wanted Moyes to be sacked from his position but I have said since the start of last season that we should not renew his contract at the end of this season and I even stuck to that opinion when we won the uecl last season I love Moyes more then most things in my life he has given our club things I could only dream of and I couldn’t have asked for more but at some point we have to move on and just try and reach higher then where we are now and sadly I truly think Moyes can not do that West Ham this is as far as he can take us the way he plays football is negative for games against top top European clubs and again I love Moyes and will never ever forget him he is a West Ham icon in my opinion I would have a statue up at the bowl in the future but sadly this is as far as he can take us and it’s time for him to leave as the legend he is SUPER DAVID MOYES OUR MOYESIAH ⚒️🫧⚒️ p.s I’m slightly nervous as to whether our new manager could do better then Moyes as the change we need at the club is Sullivan leaving with Moyes but only time will tell, if you made it this far give this a like so others can read about what the real opinion on Moyes is in the minds of the majority at West Ham
Ask Everton fans about what happens when Moyes leaves lol
Moyes did incredible work at Everton, what planet was he ever just some caretaker-jobber?
Basically, failing at Manchester United doesn't mean you are bad at your job. Not even the almighty one itself could ever fix that club
Well he did sack the staff that sir alex ferguson had in place
@@Herpy88 Yeah, but that has nothing to do with the manager. They wouldn't have trained the players in his style of football
The fact Moyes won a European title before Man United is damning stuff
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong but United won a europa league when Mourinho was in charge, unless I'm misunderstanding
3 UCL in 1968, 1999, and 2008 as well as a Europa league in 2017
My guy started watching football 5 months ago lol😅
Its A European trophy that has only had 2 winners
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DCFC vs Dynamo video tomorrow please, an absolute giant killing tonight that went down to keeper PKs.. Allez Rouge!
West Ham fans are the most ungrateful around
I said it at the time, how he was treated at united was so silly, how could they expect their team to be much better than they were after fergie leaving. Well……… the fans got what they want, which is why I laugh at the united fans right now, honestly can’t stop watching the crisis videos 😂.
Newcastle fan here btw 😂
Chris Richards just accurately placed 20/20 of the EPL team locations, and you've gone just 24 hours later and called Moyes English.
Did u run today Mr. Zealand Shannon?
Man kept Everton up despite going like 2 full seasons without paying a transfer fee for a player because of the financial situation. Man was always great but literally anyone was going to fail as the first person post-SAF.
jez calling moyes english was that done deliberately to get comments
GIANT GLORIOUS FLOP
Even history nerd americans don't know that there is more than 1 country in the british isles smh
I feel Z is skipping over his time at Sunderland where he lost 28 out of 43 matches and got them relegated for the first time in ten years.............😅
Saying "it was nearly west ham that managed to end it" like Leverkusen haven't come back from the brink of loss multiple times this season. Lmao it was almost Qarabag as well.
Man United job after Ferguson retired was just a trap for whichever manager took it. Moyes was doomed from the start but at least he got a good paycheck for it.
I know people act like football didn't exist before 92 (Premier League breakaway/Champions League rebrand), but seeing people surprised that football existed before a decade ago????
Two 2's and an Antony :D
As a Sunderland fan, i feel Moyes doesn't get enough disrespect. Atrocious manager
Love this video, agree with the sentiment totally BUT
A) he’s not English
B) you have a history of your predictions missing by a mile my dude 😂
Where's the turtle
its Man Utd as an institution that is declining... became a graveyard for coaches..
Moyes has been excellent for West Ham, I do however think it's run its course with Moyes. Last premier league season west ham wasn't safe from relegation until near the end of April and this season a promising start has fizzled out with some absolutely poor performances.
ZEALAND, give us an honest assessment of Carlo Ancelotti's career. Please. Go running, get your mileage in this week and every week. Thanks.
Sprint.
he did well at everton before utd
Zealand it's not that weird when you consider his 11 years of overperforming at Everton that got him the Man Utd job in the first place. Oh, and he bought Tim Howard.
you were doing so well until you got to "english" channel's finished
The Scottish David Moyes should have stayed at Everton. And not gone to Man Utd. Because Fergie knew that team was in trouble.
Also the Man Utd players were to dense to understand his defensive training saying it was too complicated. And Man Utd are still leaking goals 10 years later.
Moves was never a bad coach, his time at Everton was excellent overall, he was poorly suited to that Man Utd team (let's be honest anyone trying to follow Sir Alex was on a hiding to nothing) there are some things I'm sure Moyes would tell you he could have done better, but David Moyes wasn't a bad coach
Moyes is Scottish 🏴
The difference is, when he left the first time, the squad was a relegation threatened squad. Pellegrini was poor.
The squad now is not a relegation quality squad.
We will always be grateful to Moyes, but do not let the conference league win distract you from how bad we were in the league. Go and watch it, go and look at the football and the results.
I think Zealand is being slightly disingenuous here, which is a rarity. "While getting them to finish 14th". We almost got relegated, which was a pre requisite for him getting the job.
"Allegedly playing boring football". Mate, come on
Like really. Its not that his style is boring (it is), but recently (1.5 full seasons now). Its poor, its slow, its depressing, its defensive but defensively weak.
I love you zealand and the general tone of the video is fine, but some of the comments are way off the mark and make west ham fans look ungrateful.