All the comments about "Freni's so rude": you don't understand, she's the only one in Europe who tries keeping the italian old school singing alive! During the second world war, so many marvellous voice teachers fled out of Europe. People sometimes don't realize that a big part of the tradition was lost! Freni is doing a great job, I'm happy she's doing it.
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Freni is absolutely not teaching the belcanto but nasal and constricted singing. Also, she is not teaching but screeching, yelling and humiliating the students.
@ How do you know? Did she teach you or are you just judging by this video? Did you watch videos of other lessons she gave? I'm sure if someone sang nasally she'd immediately correct them.
@@CriticaLxThoughX ok if you think she's a good teacher you must have your reasons. And the reasons must be that you've heard her students sing and sing WELL. Tell me who are her students and where they're singing. Otherwise your point about her teaching is not valid.
E' mancata oggi la "nostra" Mirella! Un giorno triste per gli appassionati di musica lirica. Con estrema commozione sto scrivendo queste poche righe su questa grande cantante modenese,proprio come il suo caro amico Pavarotti che l'ha preceduta da ormai molti anni,nell'Olimpo dei grandi!
@ She's not teaching anything nasal nor constricted, she wants everyone to sing FLUENTLY AND FREE because everyone is engolating (as usual in most singing students nowadays almost like a standard in the industry). Reaching the note is NOT ENOUGH; you got to do it the most healthy way possible or it will have long term consequences. That's what the old belcanto technique is about and not constricted nor nasal missconception you picked out of this. Belcanto is a discipline and if you don't want to be told exactly where you are going wrong you are not meant to be on a stage in a masterclass but in a regular teacher classroom to keep untouched your own perception of singing.
Абсолютно согласна, всё точно и по делу! В этом году Мирелла Френи покинула землю, но уверена, что будет с ангелами петь на небесах. Царствия небесного прекрасной певице и удивительной женщине.
В связи с тем, что этот мастер-класс был сделан на ТВ и для ТВ, микрофон сильно искажает действительность. У синьоры Френи невероятное чувство юмора. Было ощущение, что некоторые ребята её просто испугались и готовы были сбежать со сцены. Получил огромное удовольствие от просмотра, несмотря на все микрофоны.
Мирелла - мой кумир! Она молодец, что покритиковала нашу школу нынешнюю с её „раздутым“ звуком. Архипова более резко объясняла то же самое (я была ещё школьницей, когда имела счастье попасть на подобие мастер-класса от Ирины Константиновны), но потом, в муз.колледже, мне всячески пытались доказать, что невнятные слова с вытьём - это хорошо, а оперное пение свободно-разговорным стилем - древность.
Вы правы. Одной моей подруге таксист, узнав, что она оперная певица, сказал:Вы все поете искуственно, не люблю" И был прав. А это послествия нашей перерасширенной школы
Прекрасный мастер- класс! Просто Класссс! Близкий, собранный звук- это далеко не значит плоский звук.Правильный звук как раз будет круглым и об' емным. Жаль, что наши горе- педагоги этого не слышат
Все правильно она говорит,очень трудно слушать мычащих певцов, которые жуют все слова и голос как из ведра. И выражение "как говоришь так и пой" не имеет буквального смысла, смысл в том что звук летел вперед, в зал, над оркестром, над фоно. Разве не видно, что все представленные певцы давятся звуком? Верха это форсированное горло? О какой технике тут идет речь? Если техника и заключается в четкой дикции, в полетном звуке в свободном пении? Френи говорит основные наиболее значимые моменты, обобщая их. Она не обязана с каждым заниматься по часу, это трудоемкая работа, которую должны были делать педагоги. Что вы тут демагогию развели? Русский язык не самый лучший для пения, он тяжелый , неповоротливый, и русские певцы поют довольно средне на итальянском, потому что сочетания звуков нет такого как на итальянском, нет той звонкости и нет быстроты в речи. И педагогов кстати, в Росии тоже очень, очень мало, единицы.
Это совершенно разные школы вокальные, разная техника звучания. А у преподавателя нет деликатности, критика, граничащая с насмешкой. Вот Т. И. Синявская это и певица экстра класса и педагог от Бога!!!
Идеальный коммент! Именно резонансное звучание и оттого - полётность звука ставлю в основу своим ученикам. Найти резонанс и полётность - найти силу звука. Не наоборот. Без артикуляции - невозможно.
@@viktoriya77777viktoriya Когда Собинов гастролировал во времена оны в "Ла Скала" первый раз, то публика не поверила, что он русский, так что сеньора Френи всё по делу говорит. Мы вовсе не первооткрыватели в пении оперном, а примкнувшие совсем недавно по историческим меркам и наши певцы прошлого пели в итальянской манере, но потом мы съехали непонятно куда. Лично я терпеть не могу утробные низы наших знаменитых меццо, да ещё с тремором или сопрановый визг горлом. imxo
Абсолютно верно говорите: в России поют заглубленным звуком и "горе педагоги" оправдывают - это русская школа и т.д.Просто то что она требует-это делать непросто : требует много работы, усилий над собой,как говорят "надо пахать" ...
I have read many comments complaining about Freni criticizing in a rude manner. What she is doing is pointing out defects that will lead to a short career and vocal problems. She is helping them and those who pay attention are singing with an improved free sound. As singers they will face much worse on the job. It is better they learn now.
She is absolutely right, all singers sings very throaty, imirating fake dark operatic sonund. She honestly tried to help them. But it's quite impossible rid them off of these unhealthy habits for such a short time. They'll need a lot of effort and time to corect these long gained habits... And her advices are extremely important/helpful, if they don't realize that, they' ll never sing correct and develop a full potential of their voices... And there are many really, really beautiful voices...
It’s always possible to critize without being a bitch! This is not helping anyone. Very, very disappointing the way she humiliates them. Even worst than Schwartzkopf! And then she asks the public for respect - shameful,really. . And she talks about respect!,,,
Exactly, how can one understand to improve, if one does not grasp what one is doing incorrectly and how to correct it. The longer bad habits are used, the harder it is to correct. Sometimes the only way to fix a habib is to have the mistake taken to almost ridicule or irritation so that in the mind . . . it does not go back to that place again and the good habit replaces it instead.
@@xavieralberto1176 the public is there to learn too, is not humilliation. If you can't take criticism in a masterclass (which by definition has a public too) like the professional you want to be then you don't deserve the spot, simple. Art is a discipline, not a childs game and singing is WAY more than just reaching the note. But today's singers want everything to be simple and if they are told wrong they look for another teacher. That is not a professional mindset.
Вчера посмотрел фильм про Саломею Крушельницкую. Это она спасла Пуччини и его Мадам Батерфляй. Ее во Львове в консе выучили как мецо-сопрано. Приехала она в Италию и ей там сказали - " Вы не мецо, вы сопрано и вас надо переучить." Так что вот так. Учимся мы певцы по 10 и 20 лет , а оказыаается не тому учимся. Все от школы зависит и удачи. Попадется хороший педагог на твоем жизненном пути и поведет тебя в правильном направлении, возможно что-нибудь и получится
сейчас во времена тенденции на углубление звука певцами, она, как обладательница старой школы дает очень полезне детям советы. самое главное- это легкая и естественная подача звука, это основа. за один мастер-класс, конечно не научить ничему, но дать верный вектор и указать на ошибки она смогла. очень полезно вокалистам послушать ее замечания. разве нет?
Tana Dimitrova ahahahahahah ! nu davaite ! spoite tak, kak i V'y govorite ! poprobuite ! ahahahahahah ! questa barzelletta della Freni mi fa proprio morire da ridere ! ps. una voce giovane canta,una vecchia voce- parla ! ahahahahahahahah !
а польза в том,уважаемый,что на сцене перед звездой стояли тупые звукодуи,которые не соображали ни на йоту,ЧТО они поют, и о ЧЁМ они поют (ОНА им рассказывала!). Теперь понятно? Как раньше говорили в Большом театре: "ПАРОВОЗНЫЙ ГУДОК ВСЁ РАВНО ГРОМЧЕ БУДЕТ"
Along with Renata Scotto, Mirella Freni was the most versatile lyric soprano with a most beautiful voice, unbeatable technique, expressiveness and innate musicality. Due to their vast repertory, they both were the perfect opera coaches ever. May her soul Rest in Peace.
Она достаёт, выводит голос...После её правок голоса ЛЕТЯТ, словно крылья появляются у голосов!!!!! До мурашек и до слёз.....Великолепный мастер...И, главное, с юмором, легко, и доходчиво всё объясняет...Брависсимо мастеру и ребятам.
Шарлатанство!!! Достаточно сравнить, как она пела сама, стем, что она высмеивает у других певцов: речь о базовых принципах вокала. Тетенька либо не догоняет, либо намеренно вредит. В том и другом, к сожалению, она не одинока.
@@asoleil1 Жаль девушку,испонявшую арию Маргариты.Неужели она на самом деле настолько бездарная? Неужели она так фальшиво поет? А что с ней стало в далнейшем?Знает ли кто-нибудь? Она ее просто уничтожила.
Это не мастер-класс, это самолюбование + размазать студентов. Она только говорит, что не так, а что физически сделать, чтобы стало так - ни разу не сказала.
@@skazkiskazovny3648 Такие взрослые люди уже должны знать как это делать. Ээто послать звук в резонаторы, близко к зубам. Многие вещи в вокале делаются с помощью воображения.
I think she does an excellent job, she is extremely practical, goes directly to the root of the problems with the singers and the results are immediate
Мирелла Френи великая певица. И то что она говорит о звуке верно. Звук не должен заходить во внутрь, он только из вне касается кожи и посылается назад в зал, и образуется звук перед верхними двумя зубами на расстоянии ладони. Если точно определить что поет в теле, то это клиновидная пазуха с помощью связок, а клиновидная пазуха очень маленькая, и поэтому большой звук ее перегружает. Терпеть не могу нашу зевковую грузную школу, это не школа а порождение тяжелого рева, который не только не способен полететь а переполняет клиновидку, и возвращается обратно в горло на связки. Так что. Браво Френи, Брависимо!!!
I honestly do not understand the comments on this video. She is only commenting on their voice and rightly so. (All of them with the exception of one soprano sing with their vocal fold mass inside the throat) she doesn't humiliate them as personalities. It's their voice as an instrument that she comments on. People seem to have very fragile egos nowadays... plus her way is really Mediterranean which to me is also funny and relaxed. I can imagine that in a Russian school this kind of temperament may sound arrogant. But she is not. My teacher has the same behaviour and we crack up laughing when she mocks my mistakes. I guess it's a cultural difference.
Exactly. If what they wanna hear is only, "yeah bravo/a. You sing perfectly." then what is the point of attending masterclasses? You can just sing in front of a mirror and applaud yourself. Incisive criticisms can let the students remember what mistakes they have made easier. What else is the teacher supposed to do? Be nice and say something like "oh dear. Yeah you sang really really well. However, might I remind you something....perhaps you should not use your throat to sing?" A lot of comments are absolutely nonsense. These people should go back to kindergartens where are full of lenient comments and criticisms.
She is very nice comparing to Elisabeth Schwarzkopf. This young singers are there because they want to learn something so its right if Signora Freni tells them what is wrong. Thats the best teachers.
You guys should see how Chinese Pekin Opera singers train in the old days. Watch the movie "Farewell My Concubine". They get beaten by their teachers with a cane for the tiniest mistakes, the foot raised 1 centimeter lower than what it should be. And people think this is harsh criticism? It's the same in all art forms. Art is cultivated through sweat and tears.
Remember, that is only your opinion but it does not mean its accurate. In regards to this woman, the Mediterranean attitude, unless you meet a courteous one, which there are some and who are, unlike what many commonly refer to as insipid, they end up often braggart inflated egotism, which is quite laughable. A truly good voice teacher like Tom LoMonaco - who never abused or mocked his students, at least as far as recorded and documented by his students. All of them attested he was as constructive and firm, but always encouraging them to improve and do better. He also understood this because he had an abusive teacher, Douglas Stanley, and he refined not only some errors he taught but also believed in treating students with tough honest but encouraging constructive criticism. It is a common thing to find abusive teachers and its quite sad. Very few bother to behave as honorably and accurately as he did. Sadly, even those vocal pedagogues who claim to know what they're doing often don't and get away with both physical, verbal, emotional, and even, tragically, sexual abuse - based on their "knowledge" - which is pathetic.
I come from Russia, and this is not at all tough in comparison with how some Russian teachers act=) I do not find her rude, but a bit too intense. I agree a lot with what she says and I think it is useful to exaggerate someone´s mistakes so that the person understand them better. At the same time learning things like singing would take a lot of thorough work, one masterclass is useful maybe for those who view it in recording, but maybe it is difficult for those singers who took part in it. I think it is the entire approach that needs to be changed. It is not these singers´ fault, it is how they had been taught
Singing opera is incredibly difficult, endlessly dedicated work....good for Mirella for educating the masses on the real professionals go through on a daily basis
I think Mrs Freni is a superb teacher making this Master class so instructive and voice liberating and proyection for the novel singers. I admire Mirella a great soprano.
Incredible! She knew all the tunes and lyrics - word by word - sung by all these Russian candidates to the opera stage. Freni sang over 50 complete operas on stage and recorded over twenty by composers such as Verdi, Puccini, Donizetti, Bellini, Leoncavallo, Handel, Rossini, Cilea, Giordano, Tchaikovsky, Mozart, etc. Arguably one of the most versatile and complete opera singer/actress of the 20th century and part of the 21st. Rest in peace, Mirella, you will be irreplaceable!
MIRELLA FRENI's way of singing Opera is completely correct, which is now died and considered as old approach to vocal art. Here I recommend that you watch an RUclips channel called 'This is Opera'. You can find out there why the modern opera world is so unpopular among people. The channel is very enlightening and educational.
They have beautiful voices but they seem to be listening to themselves too much. I love what Freni is doing with them, getting the sound out of the throat and into a higher placement.
Ecco un grande esempio di una persona che ha avuto una grande carriera e che capisce la differenza tra un suono emesso bene e uno non emesso bene ma non sa diagnosticare il problema con termini specifici e quindi rimane generica e esageratamente emotiva nelle sue spiegazioni per mancanza della conoscenza dell'apparato vocale.
@@Tkimba2 Tomba 2, eppoi non e' proprio tutta questa finezza...non puo' spiegare o raccontare cio' che non ha mai posseduto. Sembra la master classe dell' Orso Yogy.
Riconosce bene i difetti, come chi ha un po’ di orecchio, dice come dovrebbe essere il giusto risultato, ma non dice nulla su come raggiungere quel risultato
Natal'ia Popova ahahahahah ! nu,nado Vam uchitsa u Freni,vot i vse ! i kogda konchite Vashe obrazovanie pozvonite mne v Parije,chtob'y razkazat' mne kak b'ilo.... ni puha,ni pera...
The problem is not who has got a beautiful voice or a great technique but who makes you forget ALL the others...Freni was one of these unique singers and artists. So at least she is not hypocritical and says what she thinks... all the others lie.
Sometimes the only way to teach is to exaggerate what we want to show. And I think She finally mocks the issue with swallowing the voice because The singers keep on doing it. I don't think She is mean. She is giving the best to these students.
She is the master, she has nothing to prove . . . what she is doing is kind compared to what the public critics will do if they pursue incorrect technique and pronounciations, and tonal quality. Today, the fragile snowflakes onlly wish to receive praise with little hard work. Real artistry is still discipline. So much of what is a heritage of great singing is being lost, because the public is becoming conditioned to poor quality and accept noise and pyrotechniques as a substitute for quality. Overindulged drama do not make-up for a good and sound foundation of vocal technique and musical honestry.
Смотрела мастер-класс Хворостовского- какой же тактичный и с каким теплом и уважением он относился к студентам и певцам. Называл их друзьями, а не учениками и никогда не останавливал и не перебивал. Слушал до конца, а потом говорил сильные стороны, а в конце уже пожелания, как лучше сделать. Это все говорит л самом человеке. И смешно слышать, что некоторые его ещё и высокомерные умудрялись считать
BetuliaLiberata Toscarpia ***** I must say I find this a strange situation. Young singers are put on stage and have to perform for Freni. All the singers have drastic technical problems and she is supposed to correct those problems in 4 minutes??? Freni is a technician. If you hire her to give master classes then you must know that she is going to want to correct technical problems that the singers have. She is not going to give master classes in style or interpretation. How can one allot such a small time window for such a mammoth task? It seems the only thing she can do is give an appraisal. When your car is not driving well and you take it into the garage to find out what is wrong with it, you don't want to hear that it is a nice color or that the seats are in good condition. You want to hear what is wrong with it Yes, she does seem impatient and even slightly frustrated but I am sure she was expecting to have singers who are at a more advanced technical state and. At least she is being truthful and not like Jones who just waffles on about pronunciation or phrasing. I think the fault lies more with the organizers who sent such inexperienced singers into the bull ring or if they were stuck with these singers, the should have allocated at least 45 mins per singer.
***** What a lot of nonsense - your generalizations are way too dramatic and Of course there are singers today with big voices! and Edward is right, Freni indeed had a pretty good sized voice that easily soared over the orchestra. And as you can hear when she was paired with Corelli, one definitely could not maintain that the one had a bigger or smaller voice. It is a legend that del Monaco had a big voice - I heard him and it was quite disappointing. If you want to name a big voice then at least mention Vickers who was really big - it would at least give the impression you were talking some sense.
Edward Beckwith LOL - she had the habit of always looking up to the rafters with her eyes and face when the voice went up - I am sure that was part of her projection technique. I remember hearing her in Boccanegra at Covent Garden and even though I was sitting right at the top her voice just rode over the orchestra and chorus.
i dont think you guys dont really understand what it is to be an opera singer. in order for one to be great, they mist get used to straight, demanding criticism as far as technique and diction is concerned. these singers in this video made her upset because they were all singing way too heavy. she even told the first guy to brighten his vowels because his pitch was really low. i wish i could have had this oppurtunity. this is how it is at ivy league schools when taking diction courses, etc. they will stop a person numerous times until its fixed. its not about how she is teaching, but what she is teaching. they will and have probably thanked her for her help. renee fleming took lessons from her as well and even said that it takes someone with passion to study with her. she is very intense, but it takes a lot.
Nathaniel Thomas I don't agree. Russian school is so different from italian school, so a student who is used to that method can not just forgive in ten minutes what he knows and start again from the beginning.... It's impossible. Freni said it, but the way she teaches is RUDE! It doesn't matter if she has to repeat herself a thousand times, she's payed to do it! Plus, not everybody is able to learn from someone like her, with her attitude..
And how many of these singers from “ivy league schools” have sensational careers? Almost none of them, that's how many. I was in the Juilliard bookshop once and overheard a cashier talking to someone about how he graduated from Juilliard's voice department and had basically been having to rebuild his voice entirely on his own, little by little, a little each day. Just because this is “how it's done” at high levels of study doesn't mean it's effective at creating actual careers. I'm sure you could name a laundry list of people who experienced it who have careers, but I bet if you thought long and hard, you could write a novel simply of names of people who had the same education as them but no career to show for it. These rats' nests fill their beautifully-printed brochures with their successes and bury their failures. It's a business, nothing more. It doesn't matter how many Violettas graduate from the Juilliard School, the Met's not hiring them. They're hiring Diana Damrau. End of story.
This is a valuable singing lesson - something that seems missing nowadays. Mirella Freni, like Caballe, are great artists and know really well what good singing is. Mirella was a great singer and had a very solid technique. Such a privilege listening to her good pieces of advice. And this vídeo just prove that if someone wants to have a career in singing, they must be brave and prepared to listen and learn: people "too sensitive" with criticism cannot be opera singers. Brava Freni ! ! ! She was right in what she said about those singers. I could see improvement with her suggestions.
This video doesn't show anything but a former world class singer transmitting her advice pretty rudely. Go check youtube for Master classes with other former greats and you'll notice the difference. It is a question of style and what's wrong about being a bit more polite when teaching?
She's a bit harsh but you can see she really cares for the singers - look how nice she is when saying goodbye to them. And she's always right when correcting them !
Итальянская школа приехала к русской школе и естественно ее забраковала. На самом деле - хотите петь итальянскую оперу надо у итальянцев учиться. Русская школа подходит для русской оперы
Если певец использует от силы 70 процентов потенциала и неправильно строит фразу, звук не там, не летит вперёд, и работой ртом пытаются компенсировать отсутствие правильной генерации в диафрагмах и далее....
THE INTERPRETER IS FANTASTIC. FRENI IS ALSO HILARIOUS!!! HO HOW ENJOYED THIS, THOUGH I AM GLAD THAT IT WAS NOT ME LEARNING. BRAVI, THEY WHERE VERY BRAVE. BEST MASTER CLASS.
Chi dici che è maleducata non ha mai vissuto in Italia..è solo un modo da fare che non è intenzionalmente crudele. Dice quello che pensa, senza girarsi intorno. Detto questo, come molti grandi artisti, non sa insegnare, capisce i difetti ma non so spiegare come correggerli. O almeno qui sembra, ma poi come si fa a cambiare completemente tecnica in un master class? Dovrebbe concentrarsi di piu sull' interpretazione, non si puo fare una " lezione di canto" così. Io ho incontrato la Freni 30 anni fa quando cantavo nel coro dell' opera di San Francisco, era gentilissima e completemente naturale e alla mano.
САМАЯ ГЛАВНАЯ ИСТИНА - "ПОЙ КАК ГОВОРИШЬ" И ТОГДА КСТАТИ ВСЕ СЛОВА БУДУТ ЯСНЫ. ПЕТЬ НАДО СВОБОДНО, А НЕ ВЫЖИМАТЬ ЗВУКИ. В ЭТОМ МНЕ И НЕ НРАВИТСЯ ОПЕРА. МНЕ НРАВЯТСЯ ОПЕРНЫЕ ПЕВЦЫ, КОТОРЫЕ УМЕЮТ ПЕТЬ СИЛЬНО И ЯСНО И ВСЕ ЭТО ЕСТЕСТВЕННО. ПЕНИЕ ДОЛЖНО БЫТЬ ЕСТЕСТВЕННЫМ , В ЭТОМ ИСТИНА.
Почитала комментарии трёх российских ботов, критикующих Миреллу, - посмеялась от души. Ирина Константиновна Архипова говорила „Пойте, как будто в хоре. А если не можете и начинаете выдавливать/раздувать звук, то у вас нет голоса!“ . Если любого обывателя, далекого от музыки, попросить изобразить оперное пение, то он начнёт форсировать. И даже если у обывателя этого нет голоса вообще, то какие-то громкие звуки он выдаст - вот вам и основа нынешней российской школы.
Todos los gestos de ella, me hacen recordar a un maestro que tuve. Es difícil entenderles, pero a la final tienen razón de cuál es la manera correcta de cantar.
+Lorena Forero si,è vero! ma quello che conta per un cantante giovane è cosa ha imparato dal suo maestro /come canta/, e di cosa il maestro ha insegnato il suo alunno. il resto è fumo.
I think Freni knows what a good technique should sound like. Just doesn't really know how to explain it properly. Mirelli herself actual doesn't place the sound but she is leading the students down the wrong path and then saying, nope that's the wrong path.
How would anyone explain it properly? With medical technisisms of foldings and laringeous muscle names? Sticking her fingers into the singer's throat? It is the singer's job to sensibilize themselves to sound frequencies and muscle memory in order to understand what she is asking but everyones too afraid of experimenting with their voices and extremely allergic to criticism nowadays. There's also this very same problem even in Callas' masterclasses with one mezzosoprano, she starts skolding Callas for asking her to sing more free and fluently as if Callas was the wrong one and not her. SINGERS OF TODAY ARE USED TO INGOLATION rather than singing with their real voices.
Забавно, сама Френи пела из горла, но звук был звонким. Поэтому она говорит, что звук впереди. То же было у Марио Дель Монако и Корелли, Мазини, Тебальди и других. Но свободно, спокойно и впереди за мастер класс не сделать.
Una de las discípulas de la maestra Mirella Freni, la soprano Celia Gómez Bernal nos dice que siempre se debe cantar afuera, no en la gola, olvidar los falsos amigos y no llevar la voz a lugares como la nariz. Siempre a la máscara completa, la voz debe sonar Jóven y con morbidesa. Maestra Freni es sin lugar a duda la mejor Maestra técnicamente hablando y la master Celia Gomez una gran discípula que ha sabido transmitir estos conocimientos. Si llegas a traducir esto amiga estamos en México en un lugar llamado Coatzacoalcos, por que el arte no solo debe residir en lugares de primer mundo, también aquí buscamos la Ópera. Saludos y muy hermoso el trabajo hecho en Rusia.
@@joaofernandopaluan esta muy cambiado de cuando lo conoció. De ese lugar solo esta un recuerdo. Es feo, pero la verdad ya no es como era en el tiempo que lo conoció.
Tiene razón en lo que dice a los cantantes, pero hay mil y una formas de decir las cosas, que sea la grande Freni, cantante a quién personalmente he admirado siempre, no le da el derecho de ridiculizar así a las personas.
la prima ragazza che canta è chiaramente un contralto che la freni apostrofa"mezzosoprano"!!!!!e che vuole fare cantare da soprano!!!!!signore pietà,l insegnamento del canto è il mestiere più bello del mondo a saperlo fare.i grandi cantanti cantino,i grandi insegnanti insegnino!
Assolutamente d'accordo la ragazza non ha colore né timbro e tanto meno i bassi del contralto! La sig.ra Freni é senza dubbio sbrigativa, può risultare perfino sgradevole, ma sa di cosa parla !
What Freni is teaching is the correct technique not a preference like some commenters stated. You are not supposed to have an artificial "dark" sound; that's when the sound is all constricted and stuck in the throat and will not project or soar over the orchestra. This is what she's trying to say. You are supposed to sing with your natural speaking voice also called chest voice with proper voice development and techniques to train it to soar far. Have you ever heard street vendors and those market sellers holler? Next time when you go to Chinatown, listen to those market sellers who holler to advertise about their prices right by their fruit stand. They are not big or tall or fat; they are tiny Chinese ladies in their 60's or 70's or short skinny men and yet you hear what they are trying to holler clearly miles away over the traffic noise, the sirens, everything. You might not understand what they are yelling at but you hear them Why? Because they are using their chest voice. Of course they don't realize it because they just want people to come to buy their stuff but that's what they are doing. They are actually using their voice in the most efficient way to project over a huge space through a long distance over other noises. Opera is the same thing. They are singing to try to tell a story to a huge audience over a vast amount of space over lots of noise (the orchestra). So if the most effective way for street vendors to get themselves heard in a huge space over other noises is to use chest voice, shouldn't opera singers do the same thing? Instead of using these fake "dark" sound? Maybe we should go back to the old days and have opera productions without microphones, then all of those opera singers and students would appreciate what Freni is trying to teach them and the bad singers and those bad teachers who are teaching the wrong technique to potential young singers can be finally weeded out.
The problem is that everybody nowadays thinks that to be a great opera singer you'll need to have a big dramatic voice and that is enough. But apparently no one of this singers heard yourself. They werent singing, just blowing. So how can you go to a masterclass with a big opera Diva if you doesen't kwon the basic about singing? I think Freni was professional, and she tried to make her advices very simple to be understood. But the "singers" were not preparied to be there. Singing more than make big and higher a sound, is make a clear and a nature sound that can be understood by the audience.
I don’t agree with how Freni was trying to get them to direct the sound into the mask. However, she was absolutely correct about trying to get them outside of their throats and to sing more forward. I think the problem is that she doesn’t really know how to actually explain to them how to sing forward. Getting them to hear the wrong sound is important, and she clearly succeeded in doing that. But it would have been more helpful had she been able to talk more technically about what to do with the tongue, the lips, etc., rather than just gesturing at the teeth and hard palate, making a forward gesture, and saying ‘libero.’ Part of the issue perhaps is that she is Italian, and Italian speakers don’t have to adjust the placement of the vowels, whereas the speakers of other languages, especially those that are more backwards in placement (like apparently Russian), must. Another issue might have been that she was so talented, and thus didn’t really have to ‘figure out’ how to sing correctly. Her communication style is too blunt for North American students. But the Russian students here seem to have taken her comments in good stride.
It is difficult to understand how somebody can be at the same time one of the greatest voices the world has ever heard and such a coarse and vulgar person.
Цитировать. "Почитала комментарии трёх российских ботов, критикующих Миреллу, - посмеялась от души." Алёна! А Вы не читайте, это как от советских газет, несварение можно получить. Хотя, если с юмором, то можно и повеселится, как от комедии.
Adoro Mirella Freni come cantante, ma è fin troppo severa, le voci e la tecnica di questi giovani cantanti è molto buona. Lei non può insegnare a cantare come faceva lei, una voce naturale già di suo, senza neanche una zona di passaggio.... Perché comunque anche questi giovani sono bravissimi
All the comments about "Freni's so rude": you don't understand, she's the only one in Europe who tries keeping the italian old school singing alive! During the second world war, so many marvellous voice teachers fled out of Europe. People sometimes don't realize that a big part of the tradition was lost! Freni is doing a great job, I'm happy she's doing it.
Freni is absolutely not teaching the belcanto but nasal and constricted singing. Also, she is not teaching but screeching, yelling and humiliating the students.
@ How do you know? Did she teach you or are you just judging by this video? Did you watch videos of other lessons she gave? I'm sure if someone sang nasally she'd immediately correct them.
@@CriticaLxThoughX ok if you think she's a good teacher you must have your reasons. And the reasons must be that you've heard her students sing and sing WELL. Tell me who are her students and where they're singing. Otherwise your point about her teaching is not valid.
E' mancata oggi la "nostra" Mirella! Un giorno triste per gli appassionati di musica lirica. Con estrema commozione sto scrivendo queste poche righe su questa grande cantante modenese,proprio come il suo caro amico Pavarotti che l'ha preceduta da ormai molti anni,nell'Olimpo dei grandi!
@ She's not teaching anything nasal nor constricted, she wants everyone to sing FLUENTLY AND FREE because everyone is engolating (as usual in most singing students nowadays almost like a standard in the industry). Reaching the note is NOT ENOUGH; you got to do it the most healthy way possible or it will have long term consequences. That's what the old belcanto technique is about and not constricted nor nasal missconception you picked out of this. Belcanto is a discipline and if you don't want to be told exactly where you are going wrong you are not meant to be on a stage in a masterclass but in a regular teacher classroom to keep untouched your own perception of singing.
Абсолютно согласна, всё точно и по делу! В этом году Мирелла Френи покинула землю, но уверена, что будет с ангелами петь на небесах. Царствия небесного прекрасной певице и удивительной женщине.
А ещё, у неё муж прекрасный!
Миела френи-великая.нет никого кто так бы спел Мими в богеме как она.это эталон
В связи с тем, что этот мастер-класс был сделан на ТВ и для ТВ, микрофон сильно искажает действительность. У синьоры Френи невероятное чувство юмора. Было ощущение, что некоторые ребята её просто испугались и готовы были сбежать со сцены. Получил огромное удовольствие от просмотра, несмотря на все микрофоны.
Приятно и интересно смотреть за работой мастера. Браво! Мирелла Френи! Спасибо всем участникам.
какое счастье, что мой учитель учит этому с начала моего обучения
И как успехи?
@@MS-xp4xm перепел витаса
И мне повезло с педагогами! Но это испанец и его русская ученица.
Мирелла - мой кумир! Она молодец, что покритиковала нашу школу нынешнюю с её „раздутым“ звуком. Архипова более резко объясняла то же самое (я была ещё школьницей, когда имела счастье попасть на подобие мастер-класса от Ирины Константиновны), но потом, в муз.колледже, мне всячески пытались доказать, что невнятные слова с вытьём - это хорошо, а оперное пение свободно-разговорным стилем - древность.
Вы правы. Одной моей подруге таксист, узнав, что она оперная певица, сказал:Вы все поете искуственно, не люблю" И был прав. А это послествия нашей перерасширенной школы
Всё верно!
Пение должно быть свободным
@@pampiliong тот момент когда таксист лучше знает о пени )))
Прекрасный мастер- класс! Просто Класссс! Близкий, собранный звук- это далеко не значит плоский звук.Правильный звук как раз будет круглым и об' емным. Жаль, что наши горе- педагоги этого не слышат
Все правильно она говорит,очень трудно слушать мычащих певцов, которые жуют все слова и голос как из ведра. И выражение "как говоришь так и пой" не имеет буквального смысла, смысл в том что звук летел вперед, в зал, над оркестром, над фоно. Разве не видно, что все представленные певцы давятся звуком? Верха это форсированное горло? О какой технике тут идет речь? Если техника и заключается в четкой дикции, в полетном звуке в свободном пении? Френи говорит основные наиболее значимые моменты, обобщая их. Она не обязана с каждым заниматься по часу, это трудоемкая работа, которую должны были делать педагоги. Что вы тут демагогию развели? Русский язык не самый лучший для пения, он тяжелый , неповоротливый, и русские певцы поют довольно средне на итальянском, потому что сочетания звуков нет такого как на итальянском, нет той звонкости и нет быстроты в речи. И педагогов кстати, в Росии тоже очень, очень мало, единицы.
Да, не в русском языке нет итальянских сочетаний звуков, а итальянцы не могут произнести некие сочетания звуков. В этом весь фокус .
Это совершенно разные школы вокальные, разная техника звучания. А у преподавателя нет деликатности, критика, граничащая с насмешкой. Вот Т. И. Синявская это и певица экстра класса и педагог от Бога!!!
Идеальный коммент!
Именно резонансное звучание и оттого - полётность звука ставлю в основу своим ученикам. Найти резонанс и полётность - найти силу звука. Не наоборот. Без артикуляции - невозможно.
@@viktoriya77777viktoriya Когда Собинов гастролировал во времена оны в "Ла Скала" первый раз, то публика не поверила, что он русский, так что сеньора Френи всё по делу говорит. Мы вовсе не первооткрыватели в пении оперном, а примкнувшие совсем недавно по историческим меркам и наши певцы прошлого пели в итальянской манере, но потом мы съехали непонятно куда. Лично я терпеть не могу утробные низы наших знаменитых меццо, да ещё с тремором или сопрановый визг горлом. imxo
Абсолютно верно говорите: в России поют заглубленным звуком и "горе педагоги" оправдывают - это русская школа и т.д.Просто то что она требует-это делать непросто : требует много работы, усилий над собой,как говорят "надо пахать" ...
I have read many comments complaining about Freni criticizing in a rude manner. What she is doing is pointing out defects that will lead to a short career and vocal problems. She is helping them and those who pay attention are singing with an improved free sound. As singers they will face much worse on the job. It is better they learn now.
She is absolutely right, all singers sings very throaty, imirating fake dark operatic sonund. She honestly tried to help them. But it's quite impossible rid them off of these unhealthy habits for such a short time. They'll need a lot of effort and time to corect these long gained habits... And her advices are extremely important/helpful, if they don't realize that, they' ll never sing correct and develop a full potential of their voices... And there are many really, really beautiful voices...
It’s always possible to critize without being a bitch! This is not helping anyone. Very, very disappointing the way she humiliates them. Even worst than Schwartzkopf! And then she asks the public for respect - shameful,really.
. And she talks about respect!,,,
Exactly, how can one understand to improve, if one does not grasp what one is doing incorrectly and how to correct it. The longer bad habits are used, the harder it is to correct. Sometimes the only way to fix a habib is to have the mistake taken to almost ridicule or irritation so that in the mind . . . it does not go back to that place again and the good habit replaces it instead.
@@xavieralberto1176 the public is there to learn too, is not humilliation. If you can't take criticism in a masterclass (which by definition has a public too) like the professional you want to be then you don't deserve the spot, simple. Art is a discipline, not a childs game and singing is WAY more than just reaching the note. But today's singers want everything to be simple and if they are told wrong they look for another teacher. That is not a professional mindset.
Вчера посмотрел фильм про Саломею Крушельницкую. Это она спасла Пуччини и его Мадам Батерфляй. Ее во Львове в консе выучили как мецо-сопрано. Приехала она в Италию и ей там сказали - " Вы не мецо, вы сопрано и вас надо переучить." Так что вот так. Учимся мы певцы по 10 и 20 лет , а оказыаается не тому учимся. Все от школы зависит и удачи. Попадется хороший педагог на твоем жизненном пути и поведет тебя в правильном направлении, возможно что-нибудь и получится
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да да! огромное спасибо!!! просто исключительный по полезности мастер-класс, от настоящей легенды оперной сцены!
сейчас во времена тенденции на углубление звука певцами, она, как обладательница старой школы дает очень полезне детям советы. самое главное- это легкая и естественная подача звука, это основа. за один мастер-класс, конечно не научить ничему, но дать верный вектор и указать на ошибки она смогла. очень полезно вокалистам послушать ее замечания. разве нет?
Tana Dimitrova brava Tana,penie stroitsya na osnove razgovora..
Tana Dimitrova
ahahahahahah !
nu davaite !
spoite tak, kak i V'y govorite !
poprobuite !
ahahahahahah !
questa barzelletta della Freni mi fa proprio morire da ridere !
ps. una voce giovane canta,una vecchia voce- parla !
ahahahahahahahah !
а польза в том,уважаемый,что на сцене перед звездой стояли тупые звукодуи,которые не соображали ни на йоту,ЧТО они поют, и о ЧЁМ они поют (ОНА им рассказывала!). Теперь понятно? Как раньше говорили в Большом театре: "ПАРОВОЗНЫЙ ГУДОК ВСЁ РАВНО ГРОМЧЕ БУДЕТ"
Along with Renata Scotto, Mirella Freni was the most versatile lyric soprano with a most beautiful voice, unbeatable technique, expressiveness and innate musicality. Due to their vast repertory, they both were the perfect opera coaches ever. May her soul Rest in Peace.
Она достаёт, выводит голос...После её правок голоса ЛЕТЯТ, словно крылья появляются у голосов!!!!! До мурашек и до слёз.....Великолепный мастер...И, главное, с юмором, легко, и доходчиво всё объясняет...Брависсимо мастеру и ребятам.
Шарлатанство!!! Достаточно сравнить, как она пела сама, стем, что она высмеивает у других певцов: речь о базовых принципах вокала. Тетенька либо не догоняет, либо намеренно вредит. В том и другом, к сожалению, она не одинока.
@@asoleil1 Жаль девушку,испонявшую арию Маргариты.Неужели она на самом деле настолько бездарная? Неужели она так фальшиво поет? А что с ней стало в далнейшем?Знает ли кто-нибудь? Она ее просто уничтожила.
@@asoleil1 Можно поподробнее?
Это не мастер-класс, это самолюбование + размазать студентов. Она только говорит, что не так, а что физически сделать, чтобы стало так - ни разу не сказала.
@@skazkiskazovny3648 Такие взрослые люди уже должны знать как это делать. Ээто послать звук в резонаторы, близко к зубам. Многие вещи в вокале делаются с помощью воображения.
Волшебная,умничка,величайшая,всё так просто,что очень сложно❤️❤️❤️
Una gran profesora extraordinaria. Grande entre las grandes Mirella. Gracias por todo tu inmenso arte
I think she does an excellent job, she is extremely practical, goes directly to the root of the problems with the singers and the results are immediate
Это единственный хороший мастер-класс на Ютубе . Мирелла шикарная ))))) я с ней во всем согласен
Мирелла Френи великая певица. И то что она говорит о звуке верно.
Звук не должен заходить во внутрь, он только из вне касается кожи и посылается назад в зал, и образуется звук перед верхними двумя зубами на расстоянии ладони. Если точно определить что поет в теле, то это клиновидная пазуха с помощью связок, а клиновидная пазуха очень маленькая, и поэтому большой звук ее перегружает. Терпеть не могу нашу зевковую грузную школу, это не школа а порождение тяжелого рева, который не только не способен полететь а переполняет клиновидку, и возвращается обратно в горло на связки.
Так что. Браво Френи, Брависимо!!!
А еще от этого глубления и рева чудовищно ползет интонация! Только близкий текст нужен, синьора Френни права!
вы когда-нибудь слушали Марию Каллас?!
В жопе звуки
I honestly do not understand the comments on this video. She is only commenting on their voice and rightly so. (All of them with the exception of one soprano sing with their vocal fold mass inside the throat) she doesn't humiliate them as personalities. It's their voice as an instrument that she comments on. People seem to have very fragile egos nowadays... plus her way is really Mediterranean which to me is also funny and relaxed. I can imagine that in a Russian school this kind of temperament may sound arrogant. But she is not. My teacher has the same behaviour and we crack up laughing when she mocks my mistakes. I guess it's a cultural difference.
Exactly. If what they wanna hear is only, "yeah bravo/a. You sing perfectly." then what is the point of attending masterclasses? You can just sing in front of a mirror and applaud yourself. Incisive criticisms can let the students remember what mistakes they have made easier. What else is the teacher supposed to do? Be nice and say something like "oh dear. Yeah you sang really really well. However, might I remind you something....perhaps you should not use your throat to sing?" A lot of comments are absolutely nonsense. These people should go back to kindergartens where are full of lenient comments and criticisms.
She is very nice comparing to Elisabeth Schwarzkopf. This young singers are there because they want to learn something so its right if Signora Freni tells them what is wrong. Thats the best teachers.
You guys should see how Chinese Pekin Opera singers train in the old days. Watch the movie "Farewell My Concubine". They get beaten by their teachers with a cane for the tiniest mistakes, the foot raised 1 centimeter lower than what it should be. And people think this is harsh criticism? It's the same in all art forms. Art is cultivated through sweat and tears.
Remember, that is only your opinion but it does not mean its accurate. In regards to this woman, the Mediterranean attitude, unless you meet a courteous one, which there are some and who are, unlike what many commonly refer to as insipid, they end up often braggart inflated egotism, which is quite laughable. A truly good voice teacher like Tom LoMonaco - who never abused or mocked his students, at least as far as recorded and documented by his students. All of them attested he was as constructive and firm, but always encouraging them to improve and do better. He also understood this because he had an abusive teacher, Douglas Stanley, and he refined not only some errors he taught but also believed in treating students with tough honest but encouraging constructive criticism. It is a common thing to find abusive teachers and its quite sad. Very few bother to behave as honorably and accurately as he did. Sadly, even those vocal pedagogues who claim to know what they're doing often don't and get away with both physical, verbal, emotional, and even, tragically, sexual abuse - based on their "knowledge" - which is pathetic.
I come from Russia, and this is not at all tough in comparison with how some Russian teachers act=) I do not find her rude, but a bit too intense. I agree a lot with what she says and I think it is useful to exaggerate someone´s mistakes so that the person understand them better. At the same time learning things like singing would take a lot of thorough work, one masterclass is useful maybe for those who view it in recording, but maybe it is difficult for those singers who took part in it. I think it is the entire approach that needs to be changed. It is not these singers´ fault, it is how they had been taught
Какая она классная!
Singing opera is incredibly difficult, endlessly dedicated work....good for Mirella for educating the masses on the real professionals go through on a daily basis
Большое Вам спасибо за это видео!!!
I think Mrs Freni is a superb teacher making this Master class so instructive and voice liberating and proyection for the novel singers.
I admire Mirella a great soprano.
Great teacher... Rest in peace Mrs. Freni.
Incredible! She knew all the tunes and lyrics - word by word - sung by all these Russian candidates to the opera stage. Freni sang over 50 complete operas on stage and recorded over twenty by composers such as Verdi, Puccini, Donizetti, Bellini, Leoncavallo, Handel, Rossini, Cilea, Giordano, Tchaikovsky, Mozart, etc. Arguably one of the most versatile and complete opera singer/actress of the 20th century and part of the 21st. Rest in peace, Mirella, you will be irreplaceable!
MIRELLA FRENI's way of singing Opera is completely correct, which is now died and considered as old approach to vocal art. Here I recommend that you watch an RUclips channel called 'This is Opera'. You can find out there why the modern opera world is so unpopular among people. The channel is very enlightening and educational.
Настоящий мастер!
They have beautiful voices but they seem to be listening to themselves too much. I love what Freni is doing with them, getting the sound out of the throat and into a higher placement.
Ecco un grande esempio di una persona che ha avuto una grande carriera e che capisce la differenza tra un suono emesso bene e uno non emesso bene ma non sa diagnosticare il problema con termini specifici e quindi rimane generica e esageratamente emotiva nelle sue spiegazioni per mancanza della conoscenza dell'apparato vocale.
Non c'entra l anatomia qua.
Non sa spiegare, punto
@@Tkimba2 Tomba 2, eppoi non e' proprio tutta questa finezza...non puo' spiegare o raccontare cio' che non ha mai posseduto. Sembra la master classe dell' Orso Yogy.
@@giudiciadanna4550 in effetti la voce quando parla è quella.
@@Tkimba2 , anche di Braccobaldo Show....non so pero' se te lo ricordi o non eri nato..
Riconosce bene i difetti, come chi ha un po’ di orecchio, dice come dovrebbe essere il giusto risultato, ma non dice nulla su come raggiungere quel risultato
Я хоть и не любитель такого вокала, но посмотрел с удовольствием. :)
Все правильно говорит,супер мастер класс))
Сергей Москальков uroven' znanij daleko prevoshodyashchij uroven' ponimaniya sovremennyh pevcov...
Natal'ia Popova
ahahahahah !
nu,nado Vam uchitsa u Freni,vot i vse !
i kogda konchite Vashe obrazovanie pozvonite mne v Parije,chtob'y razkazat' mne kak b'ilo....
ni puha,ni pera...
К таким мастерам надо приходить с минимальными техническими проблемами..
хотя я не пою, а только хочу петь, но посмотрел с удовольствием ))
My teacher is just like her.She sings like me to show my mistakes and I am really so happy that I can correct everything I do wrong))
The problem is not who has got a beautiful voice or a great technique but who makes you forget ALL the others...Freni was one of these unique singers and artists. So at least she is not hypocritical and says what she thinks... all the others lie.
Sometimes the only way to teach is to exaggerate what we want to show. And I think She finally mocks the issue with swallowing the voice because The singers keep on doing it. I don't think She is mean. She is giving the best to these students.
She is the master, she has nothing to prove . . . what she is doing is kind compared to what the public critics will do if they pursue incorrect technique and pronounciations, and tonal quality. Today, the fragile snowflakes onlly wish to receive praise with little hard work. Real artistry is still discipline. So much of what is a heritage of great singing is being lost, because the public is becoming conditioned to poor quality and accept noise and pyrotechniques as a substitute for quality. Overindulged drama do not make-up for a good and sound foundation of vocal technique and musical honestry.
Прекрасный мастер-класс. Очень хотелось бы в нём поучаствовать!!!
О чудо! То что я искала, мне именно это нужно!
Great Artist and teacher ! Miss her
Perfettamente inversamente proporzionale alla sua grande e bella carriera. Scioccante!!
Nicola Giusti , d’accordo con te !!
Una pessima insegnante e maleducata !!
ASSOCIAZIONE CULTURALE secondo me ottima insegnante!!!
Смотрела мастер-класс Хворостовского- какой же тактичный и с каким теплом и уважением он относился к студентам и певцам. Называл их друзьями, а не учениками и никогда не останавливал и не перебивал. Слушал до конца, а потом говорил сильные стороны, а в конце уже пожелания, как лучше сделать. Это все говорит л самом человеке. И смешно слышать, что некоторые его ещё и высокомерные умудрялись считать
BetuliaLiberata Toscarpia ***** I must say I find this a strange situation. Young singers are put on stage and have to perform for Freni. All the singers have drastic technical problems and she is supposed to correct those problems in 4 minutes??? Freni is a technician. If you hire her to give master classes then you must know that she is going to want to correct technical problems that the singers have. She is not going to give master classes in style or interpretation. How can one allot such a small time window for such a mammoth task? It seems the only thing she can do is give an appraisal. When your car is not driving well and you take it into the garage to find out what is wrong with it, you don't want to hear that it is a nice color or that the seats are in good condition. You want to hear what is wrong with it Yes, she does seem impatient and even slightly frustrated but I am sure she was expecting to have singers who are at a more advanced technical state and. At least she is being truthful and not like Jones who just waffles on about pronunciation or phrasing. I think the fault lies more with the organizers who sent such inexperienced singers into the bull ring or if they were stuck with these singers, the should have allocated at least 45 mins per singer.
*****
What a lot of nonsense - your generalizations are way too dramatic and Of course there are singers today with big voices! and Edward is right, Freni indeed had a pretty good sized voice that easily soared over the orchestra. And as you can hear when she was paired with Corelli, one definitely could not maintain that the one had a bigger or smaller voice. It is a legend that del Monaco had a big voice - I heard him and it was quite disappointing. If you want to name a big voice then at least mention Vickers who was really big - it would at least give the impression you were talking some sense.
Edward Beckwith
LOL - she had the habit of always looking up to the rafters with her eyes and face when the voice went up - I am sure that was part of her projection technique. I remember hearing her in Boccanegra at Covent Garden and even though I was sitting right at the top her voice just rode over the orchestra and chorus.
ГОЛОСА ХОРОШИЕ У ВСЕХ, НА УЧЕБУ БЕЗГОЛОСЫХ НЕ БЕРУТ , НЕ ХВАТАЕТ ТЕХНИКИ. ХОРОШИЙ МАСТЕР КЛАСС.
i dont think you guys dont really understand what it is to be an opera singer. in order for one to be great, they mist get used to straight, demanding criticism as far as technique and diction is concerned. these singers in this video made her upset because they were all singing way too heavy. she even told the first guy to brighten his vowels because his pitch was really low. i wish i could have had this oppurtunity. this is how it is at ivy league schools when taking diction courses, etc. they will stop a person numerous times until its fixed. its not about how she is teaching, but what she is teaching. they will and have probably thanked her for her help. renee fleming took lessons from her as well and even said that it takes someone with passion to study with her. she is very intense, but it takes a lot.
Nathaniel Thomas I don't agree. Russian school is so different from italian school, so a student who is used to that method can not just forgive in ten minutes what he knows and start again from the beginning.... It's impossible. Freni said it, but the way she teaches is RUDE! It doesn't matter if she has to repeat herself a thousand times, she's payed to do it! Plus, not everybody is able to learn from someone like her, with her attitude..
that's how they show us in bulgaria. I'm used to it.That's the point .
And how many of these singers from “ivy league schools” have sensational careers? Almost none of them, that's how many. I was in the Juilliard bookshop once and overheard a cashier talking to someone about how he graduated from Juilliard's voice department and had basically been having to rebuild his voice entirely on his own, little by little, a little each day. Just because this is “how it's done” at high levels of study doesn't mean it's effective at creating actual careers. I'm sure you could name a laundry list of people who experienced it who have careers, but I bet if you thought long and hard, you could write a novel simply of names of people who had the same education as them but no career to show for it. These rats' nests fill their beautifully-printed brochures with their successes and bury their failures. It's a business, nothing more. It doesn't matter how many Violettas graduate from the Juilliard School, the Met's not hiring them. They're hiring Diana Damrau. End of story.
@@longliveclassicmusic this.
@@longliveclassicmusic we could ask the same from other old time big singers with the same results, your point is moot and absurd.
Чудесная Мирелла, Бельканто !!!!
Luisa Sheff
eto ne ''bel'kanto'' , eto samoubiystvo .
This is a valuable singing lesson - something that seems missing nowadays. Mirella Freni, like Caballe, are great artists and know really well what good singing is. Mirella was a great singer and had a very solid technique. Such a privilege listening to her good pieces of advice. And this vídeo just prove that if someone wants to have a career in singing, they must be brave and prepared to listen and learn: people "too sensitive" with criticism cannot be opera singers. Brava Freni ! ! ! She was right in what she said about those singers. I could see improvement with her suggestions.
This video doesn't show anything but a former world class singer transmitting her advice pretty rudely. Go check youtube for Master classes with other former greats and you'll notice the difference. It is a question of style and what's wrong about being a bit more polite when teaching?
@@jenspflug7473 masterclass is to prepare the ones who want to pursue a career, not for those that only intend to sing for fun.
@@evandrosantana3670 I was referring to the teaching style and her rudeness. That has nothing to do with who sits in the class.
Потрясающая Мирелла.Все так правильно,надо думать о чем поешь, а мы учим извлекать звуки.
Мені дуже сподобався майстер клас!!!
She's a bit harsh but you can see she really cares for the singers - look how nice she is when saying goodbye to them.
And she's always right when correcting them !
все таки звукоизвлечение у итальянской школы вокала и русской - разное!!!
Итальянская школа приехала к русской школе и естественно ее забраковала. На самом деле - хотите петь итальянскую оперу надо у итальянцев учиться. Русская школа подходит для русской оперы
Если певец использует от силы 70 процентов потенциала и неправильно строит фразу, звук не там, не летит вперёд, и работой ртом пытаются компенсировать отсутствие правильной генерации в диафрагмах и далее....
Qué gran cantante era, qué a tiempo supo retirarse, y qué graciosa y borde está en estas clases...
Великолепно 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Потрясающая Мирелла!!!Великая певица и отличный педагог!!!❤🌹👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
now I know which masterclass I'll never attend in my life!!
100% права Мирелла Френи, Как говоришь так и пой. Браво!!!!!
"как говоришь, так и пой" - это мюзиклы с Фрэнком Синатрой и песни Юрия Визбора. Эти слова нельзя понимать буквально, всё сложнее
Ну поговорите на второй и третьей октаве)
Тут про дикцию острую и быструю! *У Миреллы каждое слово в партии Лизы было понятно! * Наших певиц иногда не понять...
@@tacetfive Вы явно призерает мюзиклы 😒.
Всё правилно, так и нада пет :)
Cпасибо Mirella Freni !!! великолепный !!!
THE INTERPRETER IS FANTASTIC.
FRENI IS ALSO HILARIOUS!!!
HO HOW ENJOYED THIS, THOUGH I AM GLAD THAT IT WAS NOT ME LEARNING. BRAVI, THEY WHERE VERY BRAVE.
BEST MASTER CLASS.
PURA TECNICA ITALIANA, GRACIAS MAESTRA, VENGA A USA AQUI SE HAN INVENTADO UNA TECNICA FATALE.
Френи-отличное лирическое сопрано. Некоторые вещи, которые она говорит очень важны!
Chi dici che è maleducata non ha mai vissuto in Italia..è solo un modo da fare che non è intenzionalmente crudele. Dice quello che pensa, senza girarsi intorno. Detto questo, come molti grandi artisti, non sa insegnare, capisce i difetti ma non so spiegare come correggerli. O almeno qui sembra, ma poi come si fa a cambiare completemente tecnica in un master class? Dovrebbe concentrarsi di piu sull' interpretazione, non si puo fare una " lezione di canto" così. Io ho incontrato la Freni 30 anni fa quando cantavo nel coro dell' opera di San Francisco, era gentilissima e completemente naturale e alla mano.
А ведь Френи здесь оч
много лет ! Как же она
блистала !
Is it possible to repost this with English titles? I sort of understand in my limited Italian what she's asking or looking for
Summed up, she expects her students to sing freely and to the front, most of them are prone to ingolate.
Freni gives excellent masterclasses. Brava maestra! We need her in the Uk also
САМАЯ ГЛАВНАЯ ИСТИНА - "ПОЙ КАК ГОВОРИШЬ" И ТОГДА КСТАТИ ВСЕ СЛОВА БУДУТ ЯСНЫ. ПЕТЬ НАДО СВОБОДНО, А НЕ ВЫЖИМАТЬ ЗВУКИ. В ЭТОМ МНЕ И НЕ НРАВИТСЯ ОПЕРА. МНЕ НРАВЯТСЯ ОПЕРНЫЕ ПЕВЦЫ, КОТОРЫЕ УМЕЮТ ПЕТЬ СИЛЬНО И ЯСНО И ВСЕ ЭТО ЕСТЕСТВЕННО. ПЕНИЕ ДОЛЖНО БЫТЬ ЕСТЕСТВЕННЫМ , В ЭТОМ ИСТИНА.
Почитала комментарии трёх российских ботов, критикующих Миреллу, - посмеялась от души.
Ирина Константиновна Архипова говорила „Пойте, как будто в хоре. А если не можете и начинаете выдавливать/раздувать звук, то у вас нет голоса!“ . Если любого обывателя, далекого от музыки, попросить изобразить оперное пение, то он начнёт форсировать. И даже если у обывателя этого нет голоса вообще, то какие-то громкие звуки он выдаст - вот вам и основа нынешней российской школы.
If you want to know who is and was Mirella Freni find here on you tube her aria from La Boheme!Thank me later
Очень,очень правильно !Спасибо Мирелла.У нас в России забыли эту школу
nel'sya zabyt' togo,chego ne znaesh'..
+наталья попова
u vas na Rossii golosa zoloto !
i pedagogov est' !
eto,chto v'y skazali ne pravda !
bodiloto правда
наталья попова
net.
bodiloto это правда.
Моя мечта быть певицей 😌
А кто второй певец ? Прекрасный голос 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
QUE BUENAS MASTER CLASS MAESTRA FRENI!!!!
Tana Dimitrova da,pravda,znaet o chem govorit..govorit pravdu,a eto segodnya,velikaya redkost'...
+vasko bulgarelli
a chto takoe pravda?...
obnimaiu !
мне кажется у меня ушло 7 лет чтобы понять про что она говорит здесь - "не дави на голос"
А у меня 20 лет...
Да, век живи - век учись😊 Я тоже постоянно себе напоминаю эти незыблемые основы😆
А мне повезло. С 12 лет меня так учат, как Мирелла.
Mirella Freni is an exceptional teacher. She is also funny. She is not mean. She needs to be blunt
Todos los gestos de ella, me hacen recordar a un maestro que tuve. Es difícil entenderles, pero a la final tienen razón de cuál es la manera correcta de cantar.
+Lorena Forero
si,è vero!
ma quello che conta per un cantante giovane è cosa ha imparato dal suo maestro /come canta/, e di cosa il maestro ha insegnato il suo alunno.
il resto è fumo.
Eccellente maestra e allievi fantastici (sono Russi).
I think Freni knows what a good technique should sound like. Just doesn't really know how to explain it properly. Mirelli herself actual doesn't place the sound but she is leading the students down the wrong path and then saying, nope that's the wrong path.
How would anyone explain it properly? With medical technisisms of foldings and laringeous muscle names? Sticking her fingers into the singer's throat? It is the singer's job to sensibilize themselves to sound frequencies and muscle memory in order to understand what she is asking but everyones too afraid of experimenting with their voices and extremely allergic to criticism nowadays. There's also this very same problem even in Callas' masterclasses with one mezzosoprano, she starts skolding Callas for asking her to sing more free and fluently as if Callas was the wrong one and not her. SINGERS OF TODAY ARE USED TO INGOLATION rather than singing with their real voices.
The girl in the white dress sings very good
ahahahaah come insegnante è severissima :D
magnifica :)
ragazzi,il vostro è un mondo dei masochisti veri ...
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L'ho avuta come insegnante ai corsi di Vignola. Pessima
Master..👏👏
Essa primeira mezzo, a voz dela é incrível. Timbre lindo demais
Забавно, сама Френи пела из горла, но звук был звонким. Поэтому она говорит, что звук впереди. То же было у Марио Дель Монако и Корелли, Мазини, Тебальди и других. Но свободно, спокойно и впереди за мастер класс не сделать.
Пела Лизу великолепно 🎉
In conclusione: la tecnica del canto moderno è un disastro. Canta tutto dentro.
Maestra! Bravo!
Una de las discípulas de la maestra Mirella Freni, la soprano Celia Gómez Bernal nos dice que siempre se debe cantar afuera, no en la gola, olvidar los falsos amigos y no llevar la voz a lugares como la nariz. Siempre a la máscara completa, la voz debe sonar Jóven y con morbidesa. Maestra Freni es sin lugar a duda la mejor Maestra técnicamente hablando y la master Celia Gomez una gran discípula que ha sabido transmitir estos conocimientos. Si llegas a traducir esto amiga estamos en México en un lugar llamado Coatzacoalcos, por que el arte no solo debe residir en lugares de primer mundo, también aquí buscamos la Ópera. Saludos y muy hermoso el trabajo hecho en Rusia.
Yo vivi en Coatza. Amo tu país ....amo Coatza.
@@joaofernandopaluan esta muy cambiado de cuando lo conoció. De ese lugar solo esta un recuerdo. Es feo, pero la verdad ya no es como era en el tiempo que lo conoció.
Freni is giving them exactly what they need. These "students" want to be professionals. This is golden advice she's giving them.--Mark
Да, все правильно, нас всех учат петь расширенным глотками ... это ужасно. До сих пор переучиваюсь.
Tiene razón en lo que dice a los cantantes, pero hay mil y una formas de decir las cosas, que sea la grande Freni, cantante a quién personalmente he admirado siempre, no le da el derecho de ridiculizar así a las personas.
RIP THE BEST SOPRANO VOICE
la prima ragazza che canta è chiaramente un contralto che la freni apostrofa"mezzosoprano"!!!!!e che vuole fare cantare da soprano!!!!!signore pietà,l insegnamento del canto è il mestiere più bello del mondo a saperlo fare.i grandi cantanti cantino,i grandi insegnanti insegnino!
un contralto? ma siamo matterelli ?
giulia ciollaro
la prima ragazza che canta e' uno mezzosoprano vero,la sua voce non ha il colore e la voce di petto del contralto vero, e' un fatto.
Dedacomero
hai ragione .
Assolutamente d'accordo la ragazza non ha colore né timbro e tanto meno i bassi del contralto! La sig.ra Freni é senza dubbio sbrigativa, può risultare perfino sgradevole, ma sa di cosa parla !
GB
sono troppo vecchio e per dire la mia verità non ho capito bene qual'è l'utilità di questa masterclass ?! ...
тот случай когда ученики поют лучше чем учитель..
What Freni is teaching is the correct technique not a preference like some commenters stated. You are not supposed to have an artificial "dark" sound; that's when the sound is all constricted and stuck in the throat and will not project or soar over the orchestra. This is what she's trying to say. You are supposed to sing with your natural speaking voice also called chest voice with proper voice development and techniques to train it to soar far. Have you ever heard street vendors and those market sellers holler? Next time when you go to Chinatown, listen to those market sellers who holler to advertise about their prices right by their fruit stand. They are not big or tall or fat; they are tiny Chinese ladies in their 60's or 70's or short skinny men and yet you hear what they are trying to holler clearly miles away over the traffic noise, the sirens, everything. You might not understand what they are yelling at but you hear them Why? Because they are using their chest voice. Of course they don't realize it because they just want people to come to buy their stuff but that's what they are doing. They are actually using their voice in the most efficient way to project over a huge space through a long distance over other noises. Opera is the same thing. They are singing to try to tell a story to a huge audience over a vast amount of space over lots of noise (the orchestra). So if the most effective way for street vendors to get themselves heard in a huge space over other noises is to use chest voice, shouldn't opera singers do the same thing? Instead of using these fake "dark" sound? Maybe we should go back to the old days and have opera productions without microphones, then all of those opera singers and students would appreciate what Freni is trying to teach them and the bad singers and those bad teachers who are teaching the wrong technique to potential young singers can be finally weeded out.
poveri ragazzi, spero che riescano a dimenticare. Bellissime voci, braviiiii
The problem is that everybody nowadays thinks that to be a great opera singer you'll need to have a big dramatic voice and that is enough. But apparently no one of this singers heard yourself. They werent singing, just blowing. So how can you go to a masterclass with a big opera Diva if you doesen't kwon the basic about singing? I think Freni was professional, and she tried to make her advices very simple to be understood. But the "singers" were not preparied to be there. Singing more than make big and higher a sound, is make a clear and a nature sound that can be understood by the audience.
I don’t agree with how Freni was trying to get them to direct the sound into the mask. However, she was absolutely correct about trying to get them outside of their throats and to sing more forward. I think the problem is that she doesn’t really know how to actually explain to them how to sing forward. Getting them to hear the wrong sound is important, and she clearly succeeded in doing that. But it would have been more helpful had she been able to talk more technically about what to do with the tongue, the lips, etc., rather than just gesturing at the teeth and hard palate, making a forward gesture, and saying ‘libero.’ Part of the issue perhaps is that she is Italian, and Italian speakers don’t have to adjust the placement of the vowels, whereas the speakers of other languages, especially those that are more backwards in placement (like apparently Russian), must. Another issue might have been that she was so talented, and thus didn’t really have to ‘figure out’ how to sing correctly.
Her communication style is too blunt for North American students. But the Russian students here seem to have taken her comments in good stride.
It is difficult to understand how somebody can be at the same time one of the greatest voices the world has ever heard and such a coarse and vulgar person.
you have to be vulgar and coarse person to survive in this tough business...its a rough profession...
You expect to dominate mind over matter just with kisses and hugs and no criticism? Grow up, life is tough and art is way tougher.
Vulgar person? 🙄🙄🙄
Che facile come l ha fatto ! È utile! Grazie ~
Цитировать.
"Почитала комментарии трёх российских ботов, критикующих Миреллу, - посмеялась от души."
Алёна!
А Вы не читайте, это как от советских газет, несварение можно получить. Хотя, если с юмором, то можно и повеселится, как от комедии.
Мало хороших педагогов, это правда!
Портят голоса, начиная с муз. школы.
Наслушалась---и носовой призвук, и горло.
Переучивать сложно.
Потрясающая Мирелла!!!! BRAVI.!!
Adoro Mirella Freni come cantante, ma è fin troppo severa, le voci e la tecnica di questi giovani cantanti è molto buona. Lei non può insegnare a cantare come faceva lei, una voce naturale già di suo, senza neanche una zona di passaggio.... Perché comunque anche questi giovani sono bravissimi