I have to say that Corey is a monster in knowledge of the game. I have always liked his style and kudos to you for paying attention and learning something that most people wouldn't pay attention to, thanks for sharing.
@@MrElPoderozo1 hate is a strong word, why are you assuming? it's my opinion he should play without the use of technology in this game, do you see efren play like that? no you don't, it's because he plays how the game should be played, with just a cue stick and your hands, and if you can't reach it, then use the bridge. i'm a romantic and i find his way of playing unnecessary
@@alev4287 He is not breaking any rules and that is his style of playing. You being a romantic of the game allowing this feelings to get to you is not a good thing because if you ever play against someone who has a different style of playing and it bothers you, you most likely will lose the game and that's not good. The game of pool has evolved through the years from using better sticks, wearing a glove, better cloth fot the table etc..... you just so happen to not like Corey style of playing and it bothers you that he is that good, that's my personal opinion, ok. Corey has spent a lot of time practicing and studying how can he and his game get better. So in my opinion as long as he is not breaking ANY rules why not? Who knows! Maybe if you start using his technique you'll be a better player. Sorry if I hurt your feelings but you did sound like a hater to me, that's why I used the word hating, ok.
3.2 Eight Ball Rack The fifteen object balls are racked as tightly as possible in a triangle, with the apex ball on the foot spot and the eight ball as the first ball that is directly below the apex ball. One from each group of seven will be on the two lower corners of the triangle. The other balls are placed in the triangle without purposeful or intentional pattern.
Exactly. Cool that it works and he found this, but it is against the rules. Of course you can argue that this happened without intentionally putting this pattern, but when it happens multiple times you "know" it is intentionally.
In Germany we have that "unwritten" rule that the loser of the previous game will place the balls for the winner to break. So you cant use your pattern unless you insist on placing them yourself, which will make your opponent suspecting you to use a pattern.
Good to know. So the remaining useful purpose of the break is to create that distribution, cue ball final resting zone, and 8-ball action towards the side.
thanks, that was the first thing I was thinking... my second thought was whether I would even want to do this--seems a bit unethical. Still, I love the video for the education of it--and I know to lookout for it.
I agree that Cory is a master at figuring out the break. Unfortunately this type of pattern racking is against the rules in most tournaments now because of Cory’s breaking. He changed the rules about soft break in 9-ball, pattern racking has been completely frowned upon for 50 years and has recently had rule changes to make it illegal in most tournaments and leagues are starting to follow suit. It won’t be long before they change the rules on 10-ball soft break is my guess. I hold myself to a high standard of ethics and would never pattern rack the balls. I have always paid attention to how my opponents rack to prevent them from pattern racking as well. Great videos explaining Cory’s breaks.
I've been using that break technique but for a different purpose. If you play this back and notice, the 8 ball almost always comes out and goes toward the opposite (of hit) side pocket. I have had the 8 Ball on the Break wins numerous years...one year I had 7.
This is why I used to do that. I haven't played much in the last 10 years though. You gets lots of 8 ball action with this break. Lately I just got try to stop the cueball in the middle of the table. I'll try this break again the next time I play.
@@mikewest712 some tournaments have different rules. The most common rule is you win the game if you make the 8-ball on the break and don't scratch or jump the cue ball off of the table. A lot of 8-ball would be played on coin operated tables and you can't spot a ball that has already sank. I like to call them bar rules, where the rules are quite different than the leagues or tournaments.
I do this break in the APA and one time in a race to 5, 4 of my wins were an 8 on the break. I am tied for the state record for most 8 on the break in one match
I always thought it must be random order, so when he's in a match does he really do this kind of pattern racking? I have mixed feelings about this, my brain says do it if it really is allowed, however my heart says it's just bad etiquette :D
No pattern racking is frowned upon some tournaments overlook it but a lot of them it’s not legal and if I seen someone pattern racking at a bar I wouldn’t even play with them trying to pull cheap tricks
Corey was a run out player at the age of 14. It was predicted then by several pros that he would be a champion player. Salute Corey all those practice sessions paid off !
I’ve never watched Corey play 8 ball and been impressed by his break. Leaves a lot more clusters than other square hit breaks. Maybe I haven’t watched since he developed this technique....
and thus, an EXACT racking patteren needs to be put in the rules of each game... the "hardest" and "fairest" patteren they can come up with... needs to be a precise pattern everyone has to rack to in the rules, and preferably ref racks... always played alternating solid/stripe except the corners for most tournaments i played.
Yeah this is exactly it. Allowing players to fix the rack with 3 spots in front and all the stripes in the middle is completely nuts. Even in a casual pub game it should never be allowed, same as all forms of cheating
Greetings from Pensacola, Fl. Sure am glad I found your channel. You have a way of explaining like no one else and make it very easy to understand and follow. Great tips- thank you so much.
Freaking awesome man! Been looking forward to this vid for a while so really appreciate you going to all the effort to do it! Will try this 8ball break soon and maybe even post a vid reply :)
I may be mistaken, and the commentator did say as long as the corner balls are alternating in the rack, but wasn’t there some sort of tournament controversy involving Corry based on how the other 12 balls (minus the 8) were being racked to give an unfair advantage? Also I am a huge Corey fan, just asking for curiosity, keep up the great work on your channel!
When I saw the 8 ball go in twice, I thought it was cool, but then I re-watched it and saw it was a repeat. The first and third rack, where you make the corner ball and the 8 ball finishes near the side, are also repeats.
He also has a killer end rail, head ball break for 8 ball. I'd love to see you break that one down as it lends itself to a more open layout (consistently) even when mis-hit.
I’ve switched to second ball break recently, I am pocketing balls more consistently. A big head ball ball break is perfect if you have a great table with good rails, but if you are playing on crappy bar boxes this is the way to go. I’ll give this pattern a go, not sure if it’s cheating or not, I guess not.
@@TheBilliardCorner This rack is great even for beginners as long as they can pocket a single solid afterwards, it gives their opponent a lot of work to run out.
I switched to the second ball break many years ago and believe it is superior. I hit it as full as I can just missing the head ball. While side-low is recommended to bring whitey to the center the deflection factor makes it harder to get a full hit so I just use low. And yes the 8 goes in the opposite side often and even in the top corner. And both corner balls often go in.
He used this break in the 2014 USBTC but he switched his rack pattern in the 2016 USBTC. I was just curious as to why he would switch his rack if it was working so good for him in the 2014 tournament
The issue with the 2nd ball break is it usually creates more clusters on tables larger than a bar box. So many players in my league do the 2nd ball break because it gets 8-ball movement (in other words, they want to make 8-on-the-breaks, even though that's rare and requires some fortune... and that's only for leagues that allow wins when you make the 8). If you're playing on a standard league table, I still believe it's better to break the head-ball to get a more traditional and open spread. There are more runout possibilities there.
Watch. Wpa gonna come out with another rule for racking and breaking in 8 ball. Just like the 3 point break in 9 ball for Corey's soft break. What a genius.
You know something, I think your right, that's why If I find an edge I'll keep it a secret, Let them do the work themselves everybody wants to have it handed to them,CHUMPS,they will NEVER get any good it takes years, It is the MOST difficult game ever to play well the better you get the harder it get & the more you know the more you have to learn, It NEVER ends
This style of breaking has been around for a very long time. If you are playing against somebody else and they rack. Look at the rack and see if it is loose in anyway. There might be a gap in the back corners. Especially with bar racks. Shoot from the opposite side of the looseness. This almost always guarantees the corner ball goes in. Second ball breaking also leads to a lot of potential scratches if the English and the strike are not just right. There is also a high probability of making the 8 on the break. Bar room rules usually that is an automatic win, unless of course you scratch at the same time. Be aware in bar tournaments that some people know how to mis align the head ball just a little bit in the rack that will cause more scratching on this style of break. They know what you are going for and are sabotaging your effort.
The way we play the rules at my house, 8 ball in on the break wins the game Q ball goes in or off the table on the break, you lose the game This looks like a good way to put the 8 ball in quite often
The right sided ball on the 2nd row of the rack always gets tied up in your demonstration (with the exception of 1 rack where it tracks to the front of the side pocket).
Suggestion: if you want a perfect rack use the regular rack. It should be clean otherwise the balls may stick to it when you release it. Make sure the balls are tight with no spaces. Tap the table with your fingers and then take the rack off making sure you nudge it up so it comes off the point ball then lift it off completely. This works perfectly every time.
That is very similar to what i call the Mizerak break. The differences, is it's a standard 8 ball rack, but he'd break from the end dot (second side dot, but the end dot closest to pocket) not all the way to the bank. He'd also go with lower English with the spin corresponding to the side he'd be breaking from
@@micha-42 I do not know if it's called the Mizerak break, I saw it on a rented video of Mizerak doing trick shots along with a few lessons along the way. I used it and called it the Miz break at my local pool hall, it worked surprisingly well. Got many an 8 ball out of that break, when rules allowed that as a win condition. BTW Mizerak never bothered with the racking order, I do not think that was discovered till about what 5 years ago. The vid I saw was in the 1990's and it was him showing how to improve pocketing at least 1 ball in the break and even possibly the 8 ball. He even hit the second ball just like here
I almost feel bad. My league does instant win plus pay bonuses for pocketing the 8 on break and because of this video, even though we don't allow open rack or the player to choose organization and whatever I can still use it for the 8 ball movment! Which seems pretty high percentage compared to traditional break methods of hitting the lead ball. I'm thinking my end of season pay out is gonna be a little sweeter now 🤣
The British have a set pattern for their 8 ball racks Balls are only doubled up in 2 places alternating in all others. It’s a perfect rack for evening the distribution of the balls off the break and it should be used here in the states. The balls are racked the same every time
@@TheBilliardCorner you very welcome I've had the pleasure of meeting Roberto Gomez Jeremey Jones and Rolando Garcia in Houston they are all class acts
Who gets to rack their own balls in a match? There is some valuable information here in a pattern to look for to switch your break from a head ball break to a second ball break, but pattern racking doesn't really come into play in league or even the bar.
Very informative! Though I will not use pattern tracking. Is good to learn about different breaking and racking system! Keep it up, nice content there!
been watching some of your other videos, great content btw! but u said in the deuel's secret 9 ball break that pad racking is illegal, isnt that the case for 8 ball as well?
And yes Corey's pattern rack is illegal if you get caught, I did a few years back during usapl nationals. Before it was alternate break. Had 4 break an runs when they called a ref over to watch my racking... he explained as long as each rack was diferently placed it wasn't illegal. So there are ways around pattern racking... good video
As a casual pool player I just saw this vid on my feed and thought let’s see what this is ,to be honest I don’t think that rule that lets the player rack his own balls and place them where he wants them to go should be allowed.soon everyone will start trying to do the math and work these breaks out .shouldn’t be allowed in tournament play definitely not .over here in England we always rack the balls the same way.ok some rack different these days what with the rule changes and that but still we have always from back in the day played the game with one stripe the 2 spot ,black under the 2 spots with a stripe either side then spot strip spot stripe..spot .and so on …. I’ve not been following pool or anything I just like a good game ,but I wouldn’t want to play someone if they was doing that all the time and taking half hour to rack them up lol but seriously it just takes the enjoyment out of it all .and where was the ref in that game he should be racking them balls so as not to be biased,NO ? I don’t know maybe I’m old fashioned but it didn’t seem like a fair game Good vid fella 👌
Since we don't do the "rack-your-own-rack" thing in the APA, the pattern doesn't help me any. But the exact placement of the cueball, exact spot to hit on the ball, and exact spot on the rack to aim for WILL help me I believe.
Just found your channel and I have a lot of questions about this. First, when did the 7 and 15 balls become light blue? Is this standard now or just a preference with the balls that you are using? Second, isn't it illegal to rack that way? I used to play in a lot of tournaments and leagues where the rules for racking were, 1st ball always had to be solid but didn't have to be the number 1 ball, then the outside balls had to alternate starting with the 1st ball solid, then stripe, then solid all the way around with the 8 in the middle. I used to break in a way that gave me a good chance to make the 8 on a break as this is a win in the leagues and tournaments that I played in. I would break in a similar way to this except from the right side of the table with low left english and try to hit the 2nd ball almost straight on. This caused the cue ball to carom off of the side rail, the back rail and then hit the 8 towards the side pocket on the left side of the table. It worked pretty often and won me a lot of games. Keep up the good work.
The colors of the balls (I think) have changed to allow better visibility for televised games. Sometimes these pool ball sets are called TV sets (google Aramith TV set). The standard colors are sometimes difficult to distinguish on a TV screen as they are too dark, with a purple 4, maroon 7, dark green 6 etc. The changes are usually to make the 4 and 12 pink instead of purple, the 6 and 14 a bright lime green or light gray, the 7 and 15 sky blue, etc. Usually these "TV" sets won't change all the dark colors but just one or 2. My Dynasphere silver set has gray 6/14 and pink 4/12 with the others being standard. The Dynasphere platinum uses gray 6/14 and sky blue 7/15, while the Aramith TV set chooses a pink 4/12 and a rusty brown 7/15. I personally like the lighter, brighter colors.
The 8 went in two or three times which tells me that he is leaving a gap on the side of rack so the 8 can get out easier but he isnt saying that he is leaving a gap. Are you leaving a gap? If so, please explain the method. Thanks!
I didn’t leave gaps. If you are familiar with the table and are breaking consistent the layout will be close to the same every time (8 going in the side as well). It’s when you aren’t consistent is when you get randomization of layouts (not racking properly, hitting the rack in different spots , different power, etc). I know pros will leave gaps or tilt the rack intentionally for unfair advantages…
It's not illegal until they change the rules or make rule making it illegal. Lol! Props to him for working within the limitations that exist at any given time.
Pool was more exciting when the break was a random scattering of balls. I almost feel guilty watching a video like this, like I’m selling a small piece of my pool player soul. Good video for those looking to do this.
Yes I agree. Darren Appletons tournament at Steinway billiards was amazing 8 ball because they made it as hard as possible. There was a specific pattern to follow and they had to break from the side. It was also " take what you make". It eliminated all the things that made lesser players the winners at times. I know it takes some skill to hack the game consistently but it takes more skill to play the game not knowing the result of the break and having to break up clusters and play perfect position. Also there were safety battles which you usually don't see in 8 ball. If you haven't watched that I would definitely suggest it. It was on the billiard Network on RUclips I believe.
I've tried this a few times, but so far I can never get the corner ball to pocket. On my 8' table, the line from the center of the "fourth" ball (third row, first ball) going through the center of the "fifteenth" ball (fifth row, fifth ball) doesn't continue to the corner pocket. Isn't this a necessary set-up ingredient? When using the same size balls on tables of differing dimensions, the bigger the table the farther the rack sets from the short rail, etc., changing the resulting "pointing" destination of the corner ball. And the examples of Corey's breaks were always on 9-footers, right? If you have time and theories, it would be fitting if you could advise of a pattern rack for when the rules state that the opponent racks. If we're going to entertain questionable racking procedures, it seems that rotating the rack just a bit would keep the breaker from sinking those corner balls. Also, don't forget that potting an 8-ball on the break would probably be a bad thing when the rules do not make it an automatic win because the spotted 8-ball would be right back in the cluster!
Those Corey Deuel break examples were all from his match against Stan Tourangeau in the 2014 US Bar Table Championships, which is played on 7' tables. That match is here: ruclips.net/video/d3dz01hzcJA/видео.html
@@robdetuinman2 I realize that, but you'd be continuing your turn at the table with the black ball moved at least 2 feet away from the pocket it fell into and back amidst balls that, on average, hinder it from being easily pocketed again.
2 feet isn't that far is it? I would have to pot my balls first so I can play position on the 8ball. Another thing is if the 8ball comes back and it's the only ball potted I can choose stripes or solids.
6:06 only in bar rules would you win if the 8 goes in on the break. It's re-racked according to BCA otherwise. Not sure why you would want the 8 to go in.
Man now I need to try this!! Now long did it take you to memorize it? Actually you should make a video about how you memorize it so that you can rack it naturally and quickly
@@TheBilliardCorner so for the English, is it a tip to the left ? And does it have to be center left or can it top left or bottom left? Or any other variation of left ? Trying to figure out how much left to use. And is it a big idea if you don’t use left and just use center or just draw ?
@@TrillionTalents777 In the video, I mention its "bottom left hand English" with a visual of a cue ball @4:41 of how much English I'm using and where I'm striking the cue ball. . The amount of spin will depend on table conditions and equipment. I've personally found the most success with bottom left hand English as the left spin kicks the cue ball back near center of the table. I recommend you experiment what works best for you until you can achieve what I did in the video.
@@TheBilliardCorner yeah I saw that but it looked like just one tip left of center. It didn’t look like bottom left so that’s why I was confused. What about power? How would you describe the power needed for this ? I’m sure there’s a sweet spot between hitting it too soft and hitting it too hard.
@@TheBilliardCorner Trying to finish it up now (down to editing and it's getting close), it's a bit longer than I wanted but it was a review of 4 gloves at once so I should've expected it. Plus you know I got to do the B-roll!
I dont think one necessarily needs a dedicated break cue for this break or any second ball break for that matter as one of the perks of the second ball break is you generally do not have to use much power in order to get a good break/spread. That being said i still have a hard time using my shooter to break with even if im not hitting it too hard, but in reality i think thats just mire a mental thing than anything. That being said you will want to use a cue with a tip that you can still get some draw out of the cue ball with during the break.
I have to say that Corey is a monster in knowledge of the game. I have always liked his style and kudos to you for paying attention and learning something that most people wouldn't pay attention to, thanks for sharing.
@Mike Tiger Well, good for you! I'm glad that you knew it. I didn't and that's ok with me. I learn as I go and im cool with that.
Guy shouldn’t be allowed to rack like this, play with a cue holder, use a bridge on a break, or use a stupid glove, get real!
@@alev4287 Is he breaking any rules? No, he is not. So why are you hating?
@@MrElPoderozo1 hate is a strong word, why are you assuming? it's my opinion he should play without the use of technology in this game, do you see efren play like that? no you don't, it's because he plays how the game should be played, with just a cue stick and your hands, and if you can't reach it, then use the bridge. i'm a romantic and i find his way of playing unnecessary
@@alev4287 He is not breaking any rules and that is his style of playing. You being a romantic of the game allowing this feelings to get to you is not a good thing because if you ever play against someone who has a different style of playing and it bothers you, you most likely will lose the game and that's not good.
The game of pool has evolved through the years from using better sticks, wearing a glove, better cloth fot the table etc..... you just so happen to not like Corey style of playing and it bothers you that he is that good, that's my personal opinion, ok.
Corey has spent a lot of time practicing and studying how can he and his game get better.
So in my opinion as long as he is not breaking ANY rules why not?
Who knows! Maybe if you start using his technique you'll be a better player.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings but you did sound like a hater to me, that's why I used the word hating, ok.
3.2 Eight Ball Rack
The fifteen object balls are racked as tightly as possible in a triangle, with the apex ball on the
foot spot and the eight ball as the first ball that is directly below the apex ball. One from each
group of seven will be on the two lower corners of the triangle. The other balls are placed in
the triangle without purposeful or intentional pattern.
Exactly. Cool that it works and he found this, but it is against the rules. Of course you can argue that this happened without intentionally putting this pattern, but when it happens multiple times you "know" it is intentionally.
In Germany we have that "unwritten" rule that the loser of the previous game will place the balls for the winner to break. So you cant use your pattern unless you insist on placing them yourself, which will make your opponent suspecting you to use a pattern.
@@motorpsychodelic This was a "rack your own" 8-ball tournament.
Good to know. So the remaining useful purpose of the break is to create that distribution, cue ball final resting zone, and 8-ball action towards the side.
English pool we use a J set up. We use red and yellow balls and.the black and you make a j out of the yellow balls.
Excellent presentation! and congrats on 2K+ subscribers!!!
Lil' Chris Thank you! 🙏
The thing about Corey's rack is that it's called pattern racking and isn't legal in a lot of leagues.
thanks, that was the first thing I was thinking... my second thought was whether I would even want to do this--seems a bit unethical. Still, I love the video for the education of it--and I know to lookout for it.
Use it playing for money.
@@heginschristianstrong7707 theres no way i would let someone rack balls like that when playing formoney and if you do you deserve to lose said money
@@rayellis8768 agree. But lots of folks wouldn't notice.
@@heginschristianstrong7707 you will probably get hurt by doing that
This just made me like Corey even more. The time and thinking it takes to get that level of manipulation, it’s a stroke of genius
I agree that Cory is a master at figuring out the break. Unfortunately this type of pattern racking is against the rules in most tournaments now because of Cory’s breaking. He changed the rules about soft break in 9-ball, pattern racking has been completely frowned upon for 50 years and has recently had rule changes to make it illegal in most tournaments and leagues are starting to follow suit. It won’t be long before they change the rules on 10-ball soft break is my guess. I hold myself to a high standard of ethics and would never pattern rack the balls. I have always paid attention to how my opponents rack to prevent them from pattern racking as well. Great videos explaining Cory’s breaks.
Awesome.. This is like a magician taking a rabbit out of a hat and leaving the audience in awe... Next level. Thanks from NZ 👍🇳🇿
I have been 2nd ball breaking for about 3 years. And it definitely works for me. Always puts the 8 ball towards that pocket.
I've been using that break technique but for a different purpose. If you play this back and notice, the 8 ball almost always comes out and goes toward the opposite (of hit) side pocket. I have had the 8 Ball on the Break wins numerous years...one year I had 7.
This is why I used to do that. I haven't played much in the last 10 years though. You gets lots of 8 ball action with this break. Lately I just got try to stop the cueball in the middle of the table. I'll try this break again the next time I play.
You read my mind
You spot it on the foot spot if it's potted on the break correct?
@@mikewest712 some tournaments have different rules. The most common rule is you win the game if you make the 8-ball on the break and don't scratch or jump the cue ball off of the table. A lot of 8-ball would be played on coin operated tables and you can't spot a ball that has already sank. I like to call them bar rules, where the rules are quite different than the leagues or tournaments.
I do this break in the APA and one time in a race to 5, 4 of my wins were an 8 on the break. I am tied for the state record for most 8 on the break in one match
Crazy stuff! Never knew you can rack specific balls like that in 8 ball. 🤔😮
Try it out :)
I always thought it must be random order, so when he's in a match does he really do this kind of pattern racking? I have mixed feelings about this, my brain says do it if it really is allowed, however my heart says it's just bad etiquette :D
No pattern racking is frowned upon some tournaments overlook it but a lot of them it’s not legal and if I seen someone pattern racking at a bar I wouldn’t even play with them trying to pull cheap tricks
you cant according to rules, pattern racking is prohibited in comps but when you are hall of famer people rarely question you
@@clintbeastwood6149 And inhale!
Corey was a run out player at the age of 14. It was predicted then by several pros that he would be a champion player. Salute Corey all those practice sessions paid off !
I’ve never watched Corey play 8 ball and been impressed by his break. Leaves a lot more clusters than other square hit breaks. Maybe I haven’t watched since he developed this technique....
From what I've seen, Refs get called on Corey pretty quick now a days :)
You got me,very unique video dieing to try it tomorrow ,I just subscribed,well done
Thanks Richard
and thus, an EXACT racking patteren needs to be put in the rules of each game... the "hardest" and "fairest" patteren they can come up with...
needs to be a precise pattern everyone has to rack to in the rules, and preferably ref racks...
always played alternating solid/stripe except the corners for most tournaments i played.
Yeah this is exactly it. Allowing players to fix the rack with 3 spots in front and all the stripes in the middle is completely nuts. Even in a casual pub game it should never be allowed, same as all forms of cheating
Greetings from Pensacola, Fl. Sure am glad I found your channel. You have a way of explaining like no one else and make it very easy to understand and follow. Great tips- thank you so much.
Thanks for the support!
Great vid. Been looking for a good 8ball break. Thank you and Corey!!
Thanks for supporting the channel
Freaking awesome man! Been looking forward to this vid for a while so really appreciate you going to all the effort to do it! Will try this 8ball break soon and maybe even post a vid reply :)
I may be mistaken, and the commentator did say as long as the corner balls are alternating in the rack, but wasn’t there some sort of tournament controversy involving Corry based on how the other 12 balls (minus the 8) were being racked to give an unfair advantage?
Also I am a huge Corey fan, just asking for curiosity, keep up the great work on your channel!
The way he jackets the break, is so special, it's like Christmas morning!
All the balls are layed orderly, like presents on the floor. lol
Watch my Corey Deuel 10 ball break video :) Blew my mind the first time I saw it.
When I saw the 8 ball go in twice, I thought it was cool, but then I re-watched it and saw it was a repeat. The first and third rack, where you make the corner ball and the 8 ball finishes near the side, are also repeats.
He also has a killer end rail, head ball break for 8 ball. I'd love to see you break that one down as it lends itself to a more open layout (consistently) even when mis-hit.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll watch some Corey end rail breaks and analyze it and do a video soon
Just subscribed. I see you upgraded your table from the first video I watched
This video was a game changer for me. Thanks for sharing 👍
awesome video. the info, as well as very professionally done. i will watch any of your videos from now on.
Thanks C-Ball
So good!! Thank you very much for that in depth breakdown !🙏🏼💪🏼
I’ve switched to second ball break recently, I am pocketing balls more consistently. A big head ball ball break is perfect if you have a great table with good rails, but if you are playing on crappy bar boxes this is the way to go. I’ll give this pattern a go, not sure if it’s cheating or not, I guess not.
Dammit you guys discovered my rack 😂
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@@TheBilliardCorner
This rack is great even for beginners as long as they can pocket a single solid afterwards, it gives their opponent a lot of work to run out.
I've been using this break since the start of the year and I'm leading the league in Eros 😂
Awesome!
what kind of break is this again?
Very cool. Im going to try it.
I switched to the second ball break many years ago and believe it is superior. I hit it as full as I can just missing the head ball. While side-low is recommended to bring whitey to the center the deflection factor makes it harder to get a full hit so I just use low. And yes the 8 goes in the opposite side often and even in the top corner. And both corner balls often go in.
I've been using back hand english to negate any deflection. Hits right on almost every time if my stroke is good.
Hi - could you show us ehat you mean by 'back hand english'? I have trouble visualizing it!
World Pool-Billiards Association (March 15, 2016). "Pool Billiards - The Rules of Play"
He used this break in the 2014 USBTC but he switched his rack pattern in the 2016 USBTC. I was just curious as to why he would switch his rack if it was working so good for him in the 2014 tournament
The issue with the 2nd ball break is it usually creates more clusters on tables larger than a bar box. So many players in my league do the 2nd ball break because it gets 8-ball movement (in other words, they want to make 8-on-the-breaks, even though that's rare and requires some fortune... and that's only for leagues that allow wins when you make the 8). If you're playing on a standard league table, I still believe it's better to break the head-ball to get a more traditional and open spread. There are more runout possibilities there.
Watch. Wpa gonna come out with another rule for racking and breaking in 8 ball. Just like the 3 point break in 9 ball for Corey's soft break. What a genius.
3 point break rule ruins 9-ball for me. Corey definitely is creative and pushes the limits of pool. He recently starting breaking with the rack!
@@TheBilliardCorner "Breaking with the rack!"? Don't know what 3-point is either, but I don't play 9-ball.
You know something, I think your right, that's why If I find an edge I'll keep it a secret, Let them do the work themselves everybody wants to have it handed to them,CHUMPS,they will NEVER get any good it takes years, It is the MOST difficult game ever to play well the better you get the harder it get & the more you know the more you have to learn, It NEVER ends
it is a wpa rule since decades. pattern racking is forbidden.
Holy crap! Thank you for teaching me something new!
No problem
Interesting gonna try this tonight. Good info 👍
Good luck!
I've seen this rack setup before and if you do it at the pool hall where I play they will through you out
For sure, many don't even know what's happening though
Doubt it
This style of breaking has been around for a very long time.
If you are playing against somebody else and they rack.
Look at the rack and see if it is loose in anyway.
There might be a gap in the back corners. Especially with bar racks.
Shoot from the opposite side of the looseness. This almost always guarantees the corner ball goes in.
Second ball breaking also leads to a lot of potential scratches if the English and the strike are not just right.
There is also a high probability of making the 8 on the break.
Bar room rules usually that is an automatic win, unless of course you scratch at the same time.
Be aware in bar tournaments that some people know how to mis align the head ball just a little bit in the rack that will cause more scratching on this style of break.
They know what you are going for and are sabotaging your effort.
Holy Shit that was awesome. Great analysis/breakdown. LIKED & SUBSCRIBED
wonder what kind of reaction are folks getting from their local joint when they try this break
Interesting I've always thought the rack must be solid stripes solid and so forth..ty
Definitely tough to do , consistently, with a triangle... Nice video, I've been working on this break.
Keep it up! With a triangle it takes a lot of practice and patience.
Nice video! Note: The rack was incorrect at 5:58.
The way we play the rules at my house, 8 ball in on the break wins the game
Q ball goes in or off the table on the break, you lose the game
This looks like a good way to put the 8 ball in quite often
The right sided ball on the 2nd row of the rack always gets tied up in your demonstration (with the exception of 1 rack where it tracks to the front of the side pocket).
Suggestion: if you want a perfect rack use the regular rack. It should be clean otherwise the balls may stick to it when you release it. Make sure the balls are tight with no spaces. Tap the table with your fingers and then take the rack off making sure you nudge it up so it comes off the point ball then lift it off completely. This works perfectly every time.
This is the reason why i feel, solids and stripes should be evenly spaced inside a rack as possible.
So cool...I love that mad scientist reference..lol🎉💃💃💃
To me, the second time you rack like that, would be called Pattern Racking & you'll get disqualified.. Corey is the man who can tell you how to do it.
Can just alternate the pattern just slightly and then it's not a pattern rack. Lots of loop holes.
That is very similar to what i call the Mizerak break. The differences, is it's a standard 8 ball rack, but he'd break from the end dot (second side dot, but the end dot closest to pocket) not all the way to the bank. He'd also go with lower English with the spin corresponding to the side he'd be breaking from
Can't find resources on the Miz break, do you have a video to suggest?
@@micha-42 I do not know if it's called the Mizerak break, I saw it on a rented video of Mizerak doing trick shots along with a few lessons along the way. I used it and called it the Miz break at my local pool hall, it worked surprisingly well. Got many an 8 ball out of that break, when rules allowed that as a win condition. BTW Mizerak never bothered with the racking order, I do not think that was discovered till about what 5 years ago. The vid I saw was in the 1990's and it was him showing how to improve pocketing at least 1 ball in the break and even possibly the 8 ball. He even hit the second ball just like here
I almost feel bad. My league does instant win plus pay bonuses for pocketing the 8 on break and because of this video, even though we don't allow open rack or the player to choose organization and whatever I can still use it for the 8 ball movment! Which seems pretty high percentage compared to traditional break methods of hitting the lead ball. I'm thinking my end of season pay out is gonna be a little sweeter now 🤣
This is awesome game changer
The British have a set pattern for their 8 ball racks Balls are only doubled up in 2 places alternating in all others. It’s a perfect rack for evening the distribution of the balls off the break and it should be used here in the states. The balls are racked the same every time
Subbed love the way you breakdown the breaks ty
Thank you David
@@TheBilliardCorner you very welcome I've had the pleasure of meeting Roberto Gomez Jeremey Jones and Rolando Garcia in Houston they are all class acts
Damn man your cue ball lookin clean
Good to have clean balls, thanks for watching
Just had to Wachula that a few times, thanks for video, will give it a try.
Good luck!
Who gets to rack their own balls in a match? There is some valuable information here in a pattern to look for to switch your break from a head ball break to a second ball break, but pattern racking doesn't really come into play in league or even the bar.
I've played many tournaments and league where it's rack your own.
Very informative!
Though I will not use pattern tracking.
Is good to learn about different breaking and racking system!
Keep it up, nice content there!
Thank you! This cut break works great even when not pattern racking!
加拿大香港仔HongcouverBilliards why wouldn’t you use this smh!!
Great videos, thanks for the break tips!!!
You bet! Thanks for the support Larry.
been watching some of your other videos, great content btw! but u said in the deuel's secret 9 ball break that pad racking is illegal, isnt that the case for 8 ball as well?
Fantastic video. Liked and subscribed. Can't wait to try it out.
Thanks for the support Tambo :)
Great video and analysis.
Thanks for the support @Dat H!
Great video
Gave me Talladega Nights vibes!😂 I don’t know what to do with my hands
dude! that kitchen
And yes Corey's pattern rack is illegal if you get caught, I did a few years back during usapl nationals. Before it was alternate break. Had 4 break an runs when they called a ref over to watch my racking... he explained as long as each rack was diferently placed it wasn't illegal. So there are ways around pattern racking... good video
Yup precisely right. Thanks Issac
Corey has 3 standard patterns he alternates
That's why it needs to be no self rack. Referee or the other player should be racking.
Wow! Great video, thanks.
Thanks for watching fam :)
I know it might be effective but in some tournaments it is not allowed to have 3balls beside each other w the same kind (solids or stripes).
Good info, but why is there a Craftsman toolbox on your fireplace mantle?
My old toolbox I retired to hold my pool accessories. It's actually a blue point tool box :)
Immediately sold on this break. You said bordering on illegal? In what leagues?
As a casual pool player I just saw this vid on my feed and thought let’s see what this is ,to be honest I don’t think that rule that lets the player rack his own balls and place them where he wants them to go should be allowed.soon everyone will start trying to do the math and work these breaks out .shouldn’t be allowed in tournament play definitely not .over here in England we always rack the balls the same way.ok some rack different these days what with the rule changes and that but still we have always from back in the day played the game with one stripe the 2 spot ,black under the 2 spots with a stripe either side then spot strip spot stripe..spot .and so on ….
I’ve not been following pool or anything I just like a good game ,but I wouldn’t want to play someone if they was doing that all the time and taking half hour to rack them up lol but seriously it just takes the enjoyment out of it all .and where was the ref in that game he should be racking them balls so as not to be biased,NO ?
I don’t know maybe I’m old fashioned but it didn’t seem like a fair game
Good vid fella 👌
Since we don't do the "rack-your-own-rack" thing in the APA, the pattern doesn't help me any. But the exact placement of the cueball, exact spot to hit on the ball, and exact spot on the rack to aim for WILL help me I believe.
Awesome!
Thanks ama try it
Good luck!
I wish Corey keeps playing in tournaments now but idk where he is
Damn, can't use this in my APA league because my opponent racks for my break.
Why are pros allowed to not do alternating solid stripe? I apparently have handicapped myself for years.
I am confused in Australian Pub Pool if you sink the eight ball at the break or anytime other than the very last ball you lose the game.
Just found your channel and I have a lot of questions about this.
First, when did the 7 and 15 balls become light blue? Is this standard now or just a preference with the balls that you are using?
Second, isn't it illegal to rack that way? I used to play in a lot of tournaments and leagues where the rules for racking were, 1st ball always had to be solid but didn't have to be the number 1 ball, then the outside balls had to alternate starting with the 1st ball solid, then stripe, then solid all the way around with the 8 in the middle.
I used to break in a way that gave me a good chance to make the 8 on a break as this is a win in the leagues and tournaments that I played in. I would break in a similar way to this except from the right side of the table with low left english and try to hit the 2nd ball almost straight on. This caused the cue ball to carom off of the side rail, the back rail and then hit the 8 towards the side pocket on the left side of the table. It worked pretty often and won me a lot of games.
Keep up the good work.
The colors of the balls (I think) have changed to allow better visibility for televised games. Sometimes these pool ball sets are called TV sets (google Aramith TV set). The standard colors are sometimes difficult to distinguish on a TV screen as they are too dark, with a purple 4, maroon 7, dark green 6 etc. The changes are usually to make the 4 and 12 pink instead of purple, the 6 and 14 a bright lime green or light gray, the 7 and 15 sky blue, etc. Usually these "TV" sets won't change all the dark colors but just one or 2. My Dynasphere silver set has gray 6/14 and pink 4/12 with the others being standard. The Dynasphere platinum uses gray 6/14 and sky blue 7/15, while the Aramith TV set chooses a pink 4/12 and a rusty brown 7/15. I personally like the lighter, brighter colors.
What is the best English to use to put the 8 ball in side pocket?
Hey, thanks for the video. Is your table 7 feet?
No problem, yes 7ft
The 8 went in two or three times which tells me that he is leaving a gap on the side of rack so the 8 can get out easier but he isnt saying that he is leaving a gap. Are you leaving a gap? If so, please explain the method. Thanks!
I didn’t leave gaps. If you are familiar with the table and are breaking consistent the layout will be close to the same every time (8 going in the side as well). It’s when you aren’t consistent is when you get randomization of layouts (not racking properly, hitting the rack in different spots , different power, etc). I know pros will leave gaps or tilt the rack intentionally for unfair advantages…
Is the rack slightly tilted to make the corner ball? Otherwise every one pocket player will use this break.
no tilt
It's not illegal until they change the rules or make rule making it illegal. Lol! Props to him for working within the limitations that exist at any given time.
awesome
What is the music you're using at the credits of the video? It's awesome.
thought there had to be stripe solid stripe then trade of last corner balls to make separate? hmm
Nope
Pool was more exciting when the break was a random scattering of balls. I almost feel guilty watching a video like this, like I’m selling a small piece of my pool player soul. Good video for those looking to do this.
Yes I agree. Darren Appletons tournament at Steinway billiards was amazing 8 ball because they made it as hard as possible. There was a specific pattern to follow and they had to break from the side. It was also " take what you make". It eliminated all the things that made lesser players the winners at times. I know it takes some skill to hack the game consistently but it takes more skill to play the game not knowing the result of the break and having to break up clusters and play perfect position. Also there were safety battles which you usually don't see in 8 ball. If you haven't watched that I would definitely suggest it. It was on the billiard Network on RUclips I believe.
I've tried this a few times, but so far I can never get the corner ball to pocket. On my 8' table, the line from the center of the "fourth" ball (third row, first ball) going through the center of the "fifteenth" ball (fifth row, fifth ball) doesn't continue to the corner pocket. Isn't this a necessary set-up ingredient? When using the same size balls on tables of differing dimensions, the bigger the table the farther the rack sets from the short rail, etc., changing the resulting "pointing" destination of the corner ball. And the examples of Corey's breaks were always on 9-footers, right?
If you have time and theories, it would be fitting if you could advise of a pattern rack for when the rules state that the opponent racks. If we're going to entertain questionable racking procedures, it seems that rotating the rack just a bit would keep the breaker from sinking those corner balls. Also, don't forget that potting an 8-ball on the break would probably be a bad thing when the rules do not make it an automatic win because the spotted 8-ball would be right back in the cluster!
Those Corey Deuel break examples were all from his match against Stan Tourangeau in the 2014 US Bar Table Championships, which is played on 7' tables. That match is here: ruclips.net/video/d3dz01hzcJA/видео.html
After potting the black ball, it would still be your turn when it comes back on table
@@robdetuinman2 I realize that, but you'd be continuing your turn at the table with the black ball moved at least 2 feet away from the pocket it fell into and back amidst balls that, on average, hinder it from being easily pocketed again.
2 feet isn't that far is it? I would have to pot my balls first so I can play position on the 8ball. Another thing is if the 8ball comes back and it's the only ball potted I can choose stripes or solids.
@@robdetuinman2 I don't understand what you are defending.
how can you put balls like that? isnt there a rule in order?
Can still use this break to guarantee a corner ball on the break
Slight gap the front stripes and you can put the 8 ball in every time. That's why magnet rack is a cheat.
6:06 only in bar rules would you win if the 8 goes in on the break. It's re-racked according to BCA otherwise. Not sure why you would want the 8 to go in.
APA rules have 8 ball on the break is a win.
I never played where you didn’t have to hit the head ball on the break. Sounds like some hustling to me.
No rule or regulation says you have to hit head ball. Many pros hit the second row ball in tournaments.
Man now I need to try this!!
Now long did it take you to memorize it?
Actually you should make a video about how you memorize it so that you can rack it naturally and quickly
Try it :) Took me about 15 mins or so. I just racked it over and over until I could remember the pattern.
@@TheBilliardCorner so for the English, is it a tip to the left ?
And does it have to be center left or can it top left or bottom left? Or any other variation of left ?
Trying to figure out how much left to use. And is it a big idea if you don’t use left and just use center or just draw ?
@@TrillionTalents777 In the video, I mention its "bottom left hand English" with a visual of a cue ball @4:41 of how much English I'm using and where I'm striking the cue ball. . The amount of spin will depend on table conditions and equipment. I've personally found the most success with bottom left hand English as the left spin kicks the cue ball back near center of the table. I recommend you experiment what works best for you until you can achieve what I did in the video.
@@TheBilliardCorner yeah I saw that but it looked like just one tip left of center. It didn’t look like bottom left so that’s why I was confused.
What about power? How would you describe the power needed for this ? I’m sure there’s a sweet spot between hitting it too soft and hitting it too hard.
@@TrillionTalents777 Again it varies with table conditions. I was using medium power. Best to practice it on a table.
What’s the point of separating the stripes from the solids?
Easy run outs
Odd question, is it possible to scale this down on a mini pool table lol?
Nice video!
Thanks for the support! Can't wait to see your new videos!
@@TheBilliardCorner Trying to finish it up now (down to editing and it's getting close), it's a bit longer than I wanted but it was a review of 4 gloves at once so I should've expected it. Plus you know I got to do the B-roll!
@@PoolAddiction Awesome! I need to learn how to do B roll shots like you. Excited to see your review, been wanting to purchase a new glove :)
@@TheBilliardCorner Thanks! Hopefully the review will help you! It Should be out this week.
Hard to use that strategy if you have to rack solid stripe every other ball
Does he have a straight pool break?
is it best to use your playing cue or break cue?
I dont think one necessarily needs a dedicated break cue for this break or any second ball break for that matter as one of the perks of the second ball break is you generally do not have to use much power in order to get a good break/spread. That being said i still have a hard time using my shooter to break with even if im not hitting it too hard, but in reality i think thats just mire a mental thing than anything. That being said you will want to use a cue with a tip that you can still get some draw out of the cue ball with during the break.