SMT & Persona "Canon" Protagonist Name Origins
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2024
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Today I talk about more crap people don't shut up about. Do the protagonists have names? Which name is "canonical"?
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timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:14 Shin Megami Tensei (Hero, Heroine, Law Hero, Chaos Hero)
3:01 Shin Megami Tensei if... (Male Hero & Tamaki)
4:07 Nocturne (Demi-Fiend)
5:09 Strange Journey (Space Marine)
5:36 Megami Ibunroku: Persona (Boy with Earring)
6:27 Persona 3 (S.E.E.S. Boy & Girl)
8:38 Persona 4 (Investigation Team Boy)
9:34 Persona 5 (Joker)
11:13 Conclusion
Music in order:
Large Map (Real Universe) - Shin Megami Tensei III Nocturne
Ginza - Shin Megami Tensei (Super Famicom)
Puzzle Boy - Shin Megami Tensei III Nocturne
Nemesis Tower - Megami Ibunroku: Persona
p3ct004_01 - Persona 3
A Way of Life - Persona 3 Portable
Heartbreak, Heartbreak - Persona 4 (Reincarnation ver.)
Ideal and the Real - Persona 5 Royal
Ashura-Kai Authorized Shop - Shin Megami Tensei IV
Boss Battle - Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
#smt #persona #megaten #canon 
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more “placeholder” names for P3 protag from the game manual: twitter.com/and_dc55/status/1578573667310530560?s=20&t=4qqPPWNvkHsdG2J5N1uTjA
the default names when resetting the language in the PC ports are “Makoto Yuki” (M) and “Kotone Shiomi” (F): twitter.com/scrambledfaz/status/1615746988942786560?s=46&t=dAbmhFY1qpEfaPQreHCd3Q
the defaults for 4 and 5 on swapping languages are “Yu Narukami” and “Ren Amamiya” respectively.
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Canon, unlike FeMc-
@@ThusSpokeBushmasterZer0. ouch 🤕
@@ThusSpokeBushmasterZer0. wdym? She's canon as proven in Persona Q2. She is just from a different world.
they got the hamu fromt he kanji 公子 because 公 looks like ハム
Not just the PC ports,Switch as well
Shout out the best protagonist, Roger
one day they'll make a joke about that in a spin-off or a cameo. someone will say to P3 hero "you look more like a roger," and he'll reply "yeah, i get that a lot."
Most canon of all the protagonist names
I haven't watched the video yet, who the fuck is Roger??
"My name is Roger Smith, I perform a much needed job in this city of amnesia"
I can’t believe my dad gets his own persona game!!
It's Roger. Every single protagonist is named Roger. All of them.
Epic video, but they are all actually named Tony. Even the girls
man, now people are gonna argue that "there can't be more than one tony. that's too confusing."
Yeah, tony is best girl.
shin megami tensei: into the tony-verse
"HOY, TONY!"
Some prefer you spell it with an i
I use the anime/spin-off game names since that’s the one Atlus will continue to use
P3 - Makoto Yuki or remarkable guest (full moon)
P4 - Yu Narukami or remarkable guest (foggy day)
P5 - Ren Amamiya
And... The rest of the protagonists?
You know there are other games than persona...
@@jojonta2119 no there isn't lol
@@Daytime_Anime There actually is... what are you talking about
@@nathan_drake1237 That's the joke...
I still find it funny how persona 5 fans just got tired of arguing whether Akira or Ren should be Joker's name and made Akiren
Another fun fact, back when Sega Heroes was still around, they made a poll for character requests, the female protagonist from persona 3 was called Minako Arisato
Akira and Minako sound so much better. Is Atlus on crack.
@@you-5-iver804 considering how many Akira’s there are across all of Japanese media, I’d like some variety, thank you.
@@you-5-iver804 movie/ anime name canon
@@paperluigi6132 Variety is fine, when the name doesn’t sound dumb like Mamamia Ren
Good thing that they stick with Ren/Ran. Cuz I wouldn't want it to be in similar to Akira the movie
Did you know that in Persona Q2, every protag has like 10 more names?
Whenever you’re told you name a protag, you can press the “random” button and it will give you a randomly selected name from a list of presets.
Every single one of these names is new and isn’t in any other piece of Persona media.
And, there's 6 letter cap instead of 8. I had to shorten "Amamiya" and "Narukami" to "Amamya" and "Narkmi" respectively. Shoutouts to Makoto Yuki for being the only MC to be able to have his name spelled fully and correctly.
@@paperluigi6132 Unless you use the manga name like me and had to shorten it down to Minato Arisat
shit. i forgot about that.
@@paperluigi6132 femc's last name also fits then, it's Shiomi. But I think in Japanese characters, all of their canon names can still fit perfectly
@@PlayerZeroStart that's what i do. Arisat it is lol
At 8:40 you say Roger’s full name was never revealed in the trailer. While you are correct, his full name was revealed on page 11 of P3FES’s instruction manual shows a save screen with several saves under the name of “Roger Clever”.
I looked at the manual and the screenshots were basically impossible to read. I checked one of my own save files and they only show the main character's first name. Perhaps you're confusing it with another source?
@@bubbletea_ I just double checked and it wasn’t 11, but rather 13. The difference is that 11 is “Load Data” screen, while page 13 is the “Save Data” screen, which depicts the first and last names of the protagonist. Sorry for the confusion
You know, I wonder if that's the name of an employee at Atlus West at the time at least.
@@spydersoup8447 I'm too lazy to check, but it likely is. There are more files on page 11 that listed Kevin, Joel, and Chris.
it's simple, the HAMU from HAMUKO(ハム子) is actually kou (公) from shujin kouko (主人 公子).
you can see the katakana of HA (ハ) and MU (ム) in Kou(公) kanji.
Shujinkou (主人公) means protagonist but it usually refer to male protagonist.
Not a lot of western persona fans know Atlus used the name "Kosuke Tsukimori" (it's Derek Stiles name in Japanese version of Trauma Center) as P4 Protagonist name.
ah, i see. didn't notice that. thank you.
In the end i choose the name "Your MOM"
I see some japanese fans call her Kimiko too, it's another reading of 公子 apparently
In the ps2 persona 4 manual the main character is referred to as “Raidou Kuzunoha” thus proving he is true heir to the Kuzunoha detective agency.
Is that true?
@@ibilesfighter3.16 yeah, it's in a screenshot of the status page.
@@M_Free thats one hell of a mistake how the hell fo you do that? Unless it wasn't a mistake...
@@ibilesfighter3.16 The MC had no “canon” name at that time, so they referenced another megaten game as an Easter egg for fans.
@@nintenx1235 huh... how odd
I believe atlus is means to use the anime names as the canon, atlus wouldn't greenlight the spinoffs using the anime names if they didnt want them too. I consider the dancing games and the games like arena which are canon to the actual persona timeline to be enough evidence for their names to be canon
edit: ill most definitely note that narukami is the one who set this precedent with the anime being so insanely popular that they basically canonized it as being "the canon sequence of events" deciding to reference its events in p4 arena (shadow narukami, etc)
Yeah I see the dancing series to be everyone just chilling after all the shit they went through and having fun
P4U/U2 don't specifically reference the animes events by using shadow Narukami since none of the shadows used in either games story mode (except Labrys) are actual shadows.
If you change the language of p4g on pc your name defaults to yu narukami.
I know this came out before the new poets but, I love that the name Ren Amamiya and Makoto Yuki are used in those ports as the default name when you change the language. So I feel like that basically ends that debate
And same with Yu Narukami in P4 Golden PC Port
LMAO people still prefer to use Akira Kurusu, even though Akira is the most generic name you can give a manga/anime protagonist.
@@jujublue4426 I sure do see Akira used quite abit. The male MC of Astral Chain for instance, his canon name is Akira, as that's what the game calls him if you choose the female MC as your character.
Joker's Dancing all Night shirt has the number zero on it and the reason being is because it's a nod to his name because Ren is another way of pronouncing zero in Japanese.
It could also be a nod to the Fool arcana which has the number 0
Source? Are you sure you don't mean 零 rei?
@@dr.joctor3454 yeah isn't it zero or rei
Because I seen a few people comment about it, Strange Journey’s protagonist has a Japanese name because he was Japanese in the Japanese version of the game. Him being American was a change added in the English dub.
And to be fair he could still be Japanese-American in the localized version.
but why ?
I wish they'd just left him as Japanese, not every part of the West is America.
@@darkhorse744Japanese Americans are an underrated protagonists. Muv Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse is proof of this
Literally don't care about this discussion, I just think you're cool as heck.
That SFX when "Yu Narukami" showed up on screen made me laugh more than it should have lol
At risk of beating an old meme with a lead pipe.
Maybe the canon names were the friends we made along the way.
I personally always find it weird to give a protagonist my own name in any videogame, even silent protags. It breaks the immersion and story to remind me that I'm outside the story separate from the world. I would rather just name JRPG protagonists some generic Asian sounding names, but I don't like this either because there either too similar to other name I was exposed to, or to foreign and don't fit with other names of the story. But this weekend, I will have to make that choice regardless. I might just name him V-Kun since we use to call him that for a long time.
I name them all Akechi
I love the rivalry between Akechi and Akechi!
The first PQ game's trailer (before someone mentions it, yes, I know its a Japanese trailer) calling the P3 male protag Minato Arisato is extremely funny considering you can't even name him that in the English release. Thanks Atlus
I thought the name screen was 7 letters long, was it only 6? I remember Narukami wouldn't fit and I hated it
@@velvetbutterfly Yeah, it's only six I think. I just remember Arisato not fitting which meant I couldn't put in either of my preferred names for the protagonists
For my playthrough, I just ended up calling the p4 protagonist “Yu Seta”
Fun fact: The Space Marine's Japanese name is essentially the equivalent to the English one of John Smith.
Meaning he's meant to be an incredibly average blank slate of a guy (outside of him being a high tier soldier who served in the military, of course)
The cannon names for the p3-p5 protags are
Makoto Yuki
Kotone Shiomi
Yu Narukami
Ren Amamiya
First Last
These were found by changing the language settings which will put the protagonists name as a default weirdly though p5s gives joker the name First Last
Yeah exactly. This can’t be argued
Honestly for P5 I prefer Ren Amamiya on the basis that more media uses that name more often.
Hamu-Hamu(ハム ハム) is a suffix that represents the action of eating. Also I heard the name Kosuke Tsukimori used for the P4 protagonist quite a bit in the Japanese fandom, it seems to be a beta test name.
i was looking for the origin of Kosuke Tsukimori/月森孝介 (which is Derek Stiles name in japanese version of Trauma Center) as P4 Protagonist name because i've seen a lot of fanart and fanfic in pixiv using this name.
and according to persona atwiki, it was used in instruction booklet of Japanese PS2 version of Persona 4.
I know it wasn't officially used anywhere but Makoto Yuuki can also apply to the Female Protagonist of Persona 3, given that Makoto is a gender neutral name and can be used as a catch all when talking about Persona 3's protagonist, but not to specific about which one.
Now I know this isn't canon, not by a long shot, but it's a super interesting piece of trivia to me in particular. In the original SJ, the English manual gives the hero two different names. These names are Lance Murdock and Langdon Alger. This is definitely weird, because these are actually two obscure characters from The Simpsons, with Murdock being a famous daredevil, and Langdon being a kid that Lisa has a crush on in one episode who we never actually see. These are some weirdly deep pulls, so I imagine whoever took the screenshots for the DS manual back in the day was a Simpsons fan who just thought the names fit the character, and I have to say I agree.
P5: I actually like both of Joker's canon names so I use both of 'em as my profile name and when I play P5/R and Strikers, *Akira* (Manga) *Amamiya* (Anime).
P4: Like you said in the video, his name is the least debated so I name him Yu Narukami when I play P4G.
P3: As for this game's protagonists, I've always thought of them both having the same family name (since they share the same role in-game and in-universe, The Fool. The names being either Arisato or Shiomi) and having either similar but respectively masculine and feminine surnames (i.e. Minato and Minako), or having very different surnames (i.e. Sakuya and Kotone). Haven't played a P3 game yet. 😅
I have nothing against the male protagonist's anime movie name *Makoto Yuuki,* but I'm not a japanese speaker and I don't want to confuse *myself* by saying just Makoto and not a last name. There was a comic-dub on RUclips I saw one time that sums up how I feel: Joker comes home to LeBlanc and says "Makoto, I'm home." both Niijima and (in this case) Yuuki greet him, and then get confused about which Makoto he was referring to.
To quote the "You're Nothing Without Me" cover by Robbie Daymond (Akechi) and Xander Mobus (Joker):
Akechi: "... And most people don't know your *name!*
Is it *Ren?* Or is it *Akira?*
Or does the player just sort of, *MAKE IT UP!?!?"*
At the end of the day we, the players, get to choose what we name the protagonists, we don't *have to* use their canon names if we don't *want* to, it's all up to you. Same goes for other games where we can name the protagonists, like most of the Zelda games. I don't argue much about "which name is more canon than the other(s)?", I just use whatever name sounds more canon to me *personally* and as I said about Joker, I use a combination of both his canon names since I like both of them equally.
Kinda feels weird lumping in Zelda with this seeing as Nintendo literally confirmed the protagonist is Link and he's pretty much had no other names used to refer to him.
@@ChaoticMushy Fair, I did forget to mention that, but they *still* gave us the option to name Link something else in almost every Zelda game. The only exceptions I can think of are BotW, Age of Calamity, Smash, etc.
I personally like Ren Amamiya better (To each their own!) but I feel like the villian in the protagnonist name debates is Atlus for not giving a singular "correct" name to their own characters. Change it for things that aren't canon, fine, but name the person!
It's great to have the ability to change it to something else if I want but the whole thing drives me crazy!
Well, if you want to try playing 3 Portable, it's been ported to multiple consoles, and is as cheap to buy as 4 Golden is for it's ports
The P4 protagonist's name canonical used by Atlus was Kenpachi Ramasama. However, it was changed due to the people who coined the name having killed a man and stealing his pie.
Pie thief? Was he also a compulsive liar?
Just leaving a comment saying you forgot to count the Persona Dancing games, where they actually use the names given by the anime/movies/
Persona 3: Dancing in Moonlight = Makoto Yuki
Persona 4: Dancing All Night = Yu Narukami
Persona 5: Dancing in Starlight = Ren Amamiya
Also might be worth noting in game collaborations (such as Star Ocean: Anamnesis) these names are also used as well.
As far as the Persona 3 Female Protagonist goes, while the only "official name" we have is from the Stage Play, she *has* shown up in at least 2 different collaborations, using that same name (Kotone Shiomi).
I mentioned the dancing games at the very end. But yeah, I completely neglected to remember the Star Ocean cameos because it's not a Megaten game.
@@bubbletea_ on the topic of crossovers, I just want to point out that Super Smash Bros Ultimate declines to name the protagonists of P3 and P4 in the Mii costumes based on those characters
I've never played p3 so idk if the male and female mc encounter each other( I'm assuming not) but Yuki is interchangeable for both male and female so I think that is her canon name. Just like the male.
@@RuggRat you choose between the male and female protagonist. One will replace the other in the story.
Now I'm thinking about the Persona 3 and Persona 5 concerts that was in Phantasy Star Online 2, that I watched during when it was still airing ingame. They used the names of the dancing Persona games as the display on screen, I think. Sadly, that collab is no longer aired ingame, it left the game a long time ago. I do remember Persona 3's MC, as well as Mitsuru, being the ones dancing in that concert, while "Mass Destruction" played during it.
My interpretation is that with the way the games constantly state this idea of infinite universes undergoing the same core events through different courses of action by infinite “you”s, this leaves it so open that any conceivable name for the protagonist can be considered canon, to your point of different interpretations of a character and how the player shapes the character.
Wow, I love your interpretation!
If you name the character in a different language on the mew ports of P3P P4G and P5R, they default the names to Makoto Yuuki, Kotone Shiomi, Yu Narukami and Ren Amamiya respectively.
doesn't the name of the strange journey protagonist's name literally mean "normal guy" or something?
Yes, "just an ordinary person", like Nanashi means "nameless"
@@Fermin-hw5pd Like Futsuo also meaning "Normal Guy" or something like that.
It's like Undertale fans thinking "Chara" is the canon name when it's short for "charactername"
when i played first time SMT I, i named character like this:
Hero:Iori
Heroine: Leona
Chaos Hero: Simon
Law Hero: Richter
but at second playthrough i named them like this:
Hero: Kazuya
Heroine: Yuka
Chaos Hero: Tetsuo
Law Hero: Yuji
and i played SJ at first time i named MC after Flynn Taggart (lol)
I personally really love the approach they did for the stage plays! The idea that the protagonist does not have a canon name is such a fun concept to play with in an adaptation.
Been joking about Roger with my brother for years, seeing it in this video made me laugh really hard
Tadano Hitonari is a pun. It means "Just a normal guy". Same pun with the one in Komi san if you read/watch that.
A normal guy that somehow beats mem Aleph, someone who (with the help of the other mothers + a lot of demons) damaged YHVH.
He sure is a normal guy.
Can’t wait for the EP video
Also, one interesting thing is with the 25th anniversary merch, specifically, the first of them that were introduced, the P4 protagonist is actually labeled as Yu Narukami, while the male and female P3 protags are labeled as P3 Protagonist (Male) and P3 Protagonist (Female), the Persona 5 protagonist is labeled as Joker and the Persona 1 protagonist is just labeled as P1 Protagonist. Tatsuya and Maya are labeled by their offical names from the games they originated from. Just thought that I'd also point this out.
That's because Yu narukami was used for the Arena games and the dancing games, which are completely canon entries in the Persona timeline, therefore making it a proper canon name, while the P3 and 5 protag names were only used in their dancing games, whose canonicity is heavily debatable(and yes I know Atlus said it's canon, but if you have to say it "happened within a dream", there's still room for debate)
@@chronica6457 He did mention that the people who made the offical spin-off games are in fact different people than the people who made the originals. Though I still kinda question about the dancing games because they were developed by P-Studio, the studio behind the mainline Persona games, and yet, they went with the main characters' anime names for it. It seems that P3D and P5D were going to start with us naming the main character whatever we want and the name you go with would've been displayed at the dances with them as the star, the menu displays and the Velvet Intenders' message for the main character about the cards they've hidden, pretty much like in the main games, the Q games and Strikers, which would explain why the characters in the cutscenes and dances of two games that are voiced never even address the main character as the anime names that they just ended up using for them in the final games, but rather just addressing them as "Leader" for P3 MC and "Joker" for P5 MC. My guess is the reason why they ditched the name system and instead went with the MCs' anime names is because it would feel weird for Persona fans that only the protagonists of P3 and P5 would get their names to be whatever the player wants while the first dancing game doesn't even include that opinion and went with Yu Narukami as the protagonist's name and every other characters in that game refer to him as that name. There would be an uncanny feeling because of this, and of course to go along with the whole "Bringing the anime name to the games" Yu got, they went with the anime names for the other two protagonists.
@@spydersoup8447 True, they were spin-offs, but they're still Spin-offs that are 100% considered part of the canon series, unlike the 3 and 5 ones, which is why there's no going back to P4mc having *no* canon name unless they retcon all the sequels
As for 3 and 5, it's probably just because some people didn't like the Arena games giving the MC a canon name, so, while they still use "Official" names in side material like spin-offs and Collaborations, they avoid giving them actual canon names in stuff like Main series announcements and what not
@@chronica6457 Like I said about what the two sequel dancing games looked like, it really feels like they were going to make the player name the main characters whatever they want like in the mainline games, as well as the Q games and Strikers, which the name they went with would never be addressed by the characters in the cutscenes and gameplay moments, but it would be shown in the dances where they're the star, the menu displays and the messages for the card hunts their Velvet helpers put them on. But for the final games, they seemed to have ditch that and instead went with their anime names for the MCs in the games at the last minute. The first dancing game didn't feel that way at all. It felt like the MC's name being Yu Narukami was always there since the beginning, but the other two dancing games defiantly had the feeling that the main characters' names being the anime names was really a last minute decision.
@@chronica6457 Actually, one proof that the 2 protagonists' names being the anime names is a last minute decision is if you own the Endless Night Collection for the PS4, you'll noticed that in the book the case comes with, both MCs' names are left un-named and it just labels them as 'Protagonist' and not their anime names like in the games.
I generally use the names I think fit the character the most:
Kazuya/Yuji/Takeshi/Yuka
Tamaki
Naoya Todou
Minato Arisato
Minako Arisato (I know it's fanmade but I think it fits more than Kotone, though it fits more than some canon names, like Ren)
Yu Narukami
Akira Kurusu
great video loved it
So we have to wait a while for SMT V Protagonist to get a canon name...
I think your intro is even funnier cosidrring the RUclips algorithim fed me this out of nowhere
Same
My favorite bluehair MC with headphone
Abel
You mean p3mc
@@ThiccFurryBoi34 no
@@ThiccFurryBoi34 he mean the protagonist from Devil Survivor
@@airiyuuki oh sorry
I don't know anything about DS but I can say he looks like he hasn't sleep in a week
The into is funny because it just showed on my recommendation page. And this is the first time I have ever seen one of your videos.
I can't believe your method of preventing your channel from dying actually works!
After Yu Narukami, I go with anime names, since the Anime is the most popular version of the persona series next to the games, it just feels right, and having all the official sequel material like P4A/U/DAN and spin offs like BBTAG use Yu Narukami, it's safe to say that's his name. It's weird tho that the figma for Yu and Makoto don't use thier anime names and just say hero, dispite the figmas not being based of the original games. Yu's figma is from P4AU, and Makoto is from the first Persona 3 movie. I feel when persona 5 arena eventually comes out, Joker's name will be Ren, following the anime tradition.
Edit you forgot to mention the Devil Summoner protagonist.
Devil Summoner isn't Mainline SMT
The DVD's of Persona 4 did it right. Give each DVD a new name to the protagonist. Just like us playing the game we have all different names for the protagonist, there's no real name, we as the player create the name.
got a good chuckle out of seeing the intro bit on brain dead topics, looking at the channel video list, and not being able to even find two of them. adds some surrealism to the joke. like did they every exist? how would i know?
I thought the "Hamu" part of Hamuko comes from the 公 kanji looking like the katakana ハム stacked on top of each other
You're right tho, I think this guy just didn't dig into the megaten wiki cause it shouldn't take you more than 10 minutes to look at the trivia and find this info
joker will always be “akira” to me… i even named my p5 protag “akira kurusu” on my first run back when it came out so i literally cant see him under any other name 😭
In my Persona 5 Strikers gameplay, i name him Ren Amamiya for two reasons: One: I think Akira is way common, and i want him to "stand out", Two: there is already an Akira in the game, in the case, Konoe(Aka Japanese Iron Man)
@@rodrigosilvalamim8054 L nerd P5 fan “he’s just like me” mf
Ren amamiya is a god awful name and im never using it.
@@rodrigosilvalamim8054 but they are always calling him by his second name either way and also there's two makoto's and two yusuke's in persona q
I need to find at least one person who named their protagonist by the game name.
Like how I name my protagonist as:
First name: Persona/Shin
Last name: 3,4,5/Megami
I was introduced to Persona 3 through the movie adaptations, and I immediately grew attached to the name "Makoto Yuki". I outright can't imagine him with any other name. Especially after watching the ending scene where his friends are all running towards him, calling out his name... so powerful.
Even without this attachment, I never liked the name "Minato Arisato". That... just sounds like a goofy Dr. Suess character name to me. I can't take it seriously at all.
So yeah. He will always be Makoto Yuki to me!
Agreed. His name IS Makoto Yuki.
I like both name but having exposed through game first and manga, minato arisato stick too hard although the name makoto suits him well too.
For P5 I never really minded the canon name being Akira or Ren but I always go Akira because I thought it was cool that it parallels Akechi’s and how they’re like parallels and opposites of each other :p
Plus Akira and Akechi has a nice ring to it but idk I think either works lol
Even before the manga and to this day, P3 protagonist is sometimes referred to as (Kitaro) in the Japanese fan community. But missing this one is understandable
I see Japanese fandom likes theur fanmade names more in fanarts, I rarely see either minato or makoto, it's usually Kitaro. Same with femc's name, I never see her in fanarts referred as Kotone, it's always Hamuko, interestingly there's one fanart I saw that referred to her as Kimiko
Kitaro seems to be more of a running joke, it's calling him the name of a character he resembles rather than one fans created for him
IIRC, there was a Persona mobile crossover where they name the FeMC as Kotone Shiomi again.
There's a recent collab with Love Live game that I'm familiar with that includes her and her persona. They use Kotone Shiomi once again to refer to her
it's a bad argument that claims that supposedly *you* can define a persona protagonist, when you can't actually do that at all. the games don't allow for nearly any variation at all in what actions you can take and influence a story, so the protagonists all actually follow their own pre-defined character, which is closely intertwined with the game's inherent theme
"And that's the Crimson night shin Megami tensei II TRPG genesis jumpstart kit"
What a fucking mouthful
the principle of first come - first serve seems the best to me. we call them by the VERY FIRST name they ever recieved for simplicity's sake.
also Akira Kurusu simply SOUND cooler than Ren Amamiya. but that's at least what i've heard and believe myself
All this time I thought the smt I protag was totally nameless cause I'd never seen him referred to as anything other than "hero" and now I learn that he has not one, but 3 "canon" names...man...
Shin Megami Tensei protags suffer from that inconsistency of names
Oh I did read somewhere that Roger was the name of someone in Atlus USA’s localization team, at least at that time. May well have been him playing in that early footage.
I personally like Makoto, Yu and Ren.
I cant really see myself as the protagonists as a lot of them DO have their own little flairs of personality through dialogue options, the animes and stuff like body language and appearance.
Actually, the name Minako was used in official Persona 3 media: the Persona 3 Portable “Dear Girls” Comic Anthology, though I'm unsure if her full name of Minako Arisato was used; the only other official instance of the name - both first and last - was in some Sega Heroes character requests survey in 2019, though even there, her name was later changed to just Female Protagonist (P3P)
Haven't watched the vid yet but I'm excited to see the amazing origins of "boy with earring"
Great conclusion
Lol no idea Persona 3 had a movie that changed the dudes name
cant believe you forgot the simpsons names in the og SJ manual.
Man I was hoping for a breakdown of the name meanings but I guess there wasn't time for that
I love Ren Amamiya as a name because it has a higher meaning to Persona 5 then the manga
How is it? (honest question)
@@GaeaRage0798 well basically the manga uses a stand in name like Akira Kurusu while Ren Amamiya means lotus rain palace, lotus in Buddhist teachings is symbolic for cleansing.
I thought it was ren mamamia
@@RRM25100 Yes, that is the point. Lotus are flowers that grow in dirty and contaminated waters, that is why they represent purity and cleansing, something beautiful growing in middle of the corruption. Is perfect for Joker.
It also sounds cooler than "Akira Kurusu".
Just a small update. Kotone Shiomi is also used in FeMC’s appearance in Puzzle & Dragons, not just in the Weird Masquerade series. Not that important just thought I would point it out.
Figured I'd mention the US version of the P1 MC, the person who wrote the manga was interviewed about it and she said she'd call him "Edward Tanaka" she head canons him as a half American Japanese transfer student who doesn't speak much English which is why he rarely talks in game.
Just thought that was neat
11:41 Heck, there are different Reds when it comes to Pokémon:
- In the Kanto, Johto and Alola games, he flawlessly (minus possibly his first battle) defeats everyone and goes to chill on Mt. Moon until the Ethan, Kris or Lyra shows up to defeat him. He later chilled out In Hawaii with Blue.
- He has appeared as an opponent In battle arenas throughout the series just as a boss. (Like Demi Fiend bullying the other protagonists In their games)
- In Pokémon Origins, he loses some battles he wins canonically and gets a Mega Charizard X.
- In Let's Go, he Is not the champion, and picked up a Bulbassaur, instead of the "canon" Charmander.
- And many other spin offs.
Red used a Venusaur in both the manga and the original concept art, which is what LG is based on (which is also where the new female character Green/Blue comes from)
i saw in a Persona 3 Reload trailer that the P3MCs name is Makoto Yuki
I know what I’m referring to was after this video’s release, but didn’t atlus officially state the names of the persona 3 protagonists with the multi platform releases of p3p, p4g and p5r? Where they stated that it’s makoto yuki, kotone shiomi, yu narukami and ren amamya?
主人 公子
主人公： Protagonist
公子
ハ
ム子
ハム子
HA MU KO
Unending Assblast is jokers true canon name along with the phantom group "Broke Condom"
Apparently P3 FemC is also called "Kotone Shiomi" in the Puzzle & Dragons Persona collab
Naoya & Kazuya get references in Persona 5 The Daybreakers and a side quest in P5.
The names I use are Blue boy, Grey boy, Dark boy, Girl.
Yes, I refer to them by hair color and gender in the case of FeMC.
I pretty much just refer to them by what ever is most common, which is normally the anime name that is also in the spin offs
I pray for the day Atlus will come up with the canon names for all future protagonists on day one, and stick with just that one name forever.
0:36 cursed non-Shujin protags in Shujin uniforms
nooyer shujin pose
With SMT, I pick the official name, unless they don’t have one at the time of release(as is the case with the SMT V protag).
For Persona 1, 3, 4, & 5 I usually go for the manga names, as I tend to like them more than the anime names.
The “Hamu” from “Hamuko” is from of a kanji “kou” (公), a third character from “syujinkou”(主人公) which means “protagonist.”
Hamu is written as ハム in Katakana and the kanji kou is written as 公.
It’s not a proper way of reading. It is kind of Japanese language joke instead.
Several other comments have told me that already. Thanks.
7:18 damn, why is she so beautiful
If you change the language of Persona 4 Golden on PC mid-save file, the player character name will default to "Yu Narukami" which to my knowledge is the first ever confirmation of a protagonist's name in a main series game outside of P2.
As a bit of a joke, I like to think that the Strange Journey MC is related to Tadano Hitohito from Komi San. As a reference to how both of their names are a pun on the japanese phrase "Tada no... Hito nari." which translates to something like "Just an ordinary guy."
Hi I'm here from the future to say that the p3 remake trailers use Makoti Yuki as the MC's name.
I will always call them:
SMT Nocturne: Demi-Fiend/Naoki Kashima
Persona 3: Minato and Minako Arisato
Persona 4: Yu Narukami
Persona 5: Joker/Akira Kuruzu
Facts
I always like to name the Protags canon names Makoto Yuki, Yu Narukami, And Ren Amamiya. One thing I'd like to point out is there are a ton of videos where if you switch languages the name of the protag is deleted and it says it will default to the real name unless you want to change it and I'm pretty sure that the names I listed above appear you can look them up and find people doing videos like that.
The male protag from if looks like Daisuke from
P4
When it comes to RPGs where you get to name characters at all, including SMT, I usually just refer to them as 'the {insert name of title here} avatar' if I'm not fully aware of their cannon name.
Ow you forgot something about Hitonari, one of his "canon" names, is from the Simpsons xd
See I like calling P3 protag Minoto mainly due to the fact of Makoto Nijima from Persona 5 being in my top 10 favorite persona characters
I think it's funny how it seems like Atlus got sick of the Ren/Akira debate they set the default name to Ren Amamiya in the Switch and pc release of Persona 5 Royal when you change the language settings
I've always stuck to a pretty tried and true formula for Persona.
P3 - Main Character
P3P - Fem Tagonist
P4 - Pro Tagonist
P5 - Five Tagonist
I usually call P4 guy as Yu Narukami coz anime and spinoff, and P5 as Ren Amamiya coz anime (it's now engraved in my brain more than Akira). P3 guy is a different case, coz I like how Minato Arisato suits him. I know I call P3 girl as Minako, but Kotone is also good now I'm confused. 😂
Explanation for the name Hamuko for P3P Female Protagonist:
In the original Persona 3 release, the Protagonist(Makoto Yuki) don't have a canon name, thus people just call him *鬼太郎(Kitaro, the main character of Ge Ge Ge no Kitaro)* and *主人公子(Protagonist Ko)*, but after P3P came out, same thing scenario happened with the Female Protagonist, but the name they gave her is by just removing 主人 and separating the 公 in 主人公子 to ハム(Hamu), which makes her name *ハム子(Hamuko)* .
Also Fun fact, P3 Protagonist's name in the CM of the original P3 is just call 最速 クリア (Fastest Clear)
In the PC version of P5R, if you go in the game's files and delete the name you put for the protagonist, the next time you launch the game, the name defaults to Ren Amamiya. I haven't tried it with P3R or P4G, but I imagine they do the same thing with Yu Narukami and Makoto Yuki respectively. So there's your proof that Atlus considers the anime names cannon in the main games as well, not just the spin-offs.
So basically multiverse theory for the names
You forgot to mention that in the manual for smt strange journey, it shows the protagonist being named after simpsons characters. The ones in it are Langdon Alger, Lance Murdock, and Shabadoo
two of those are obscure simpson character names lmao
One that I've heard a lot from the Japanese side for P3's MC is "Kitarō" (キタロー). Like, with all due respect, where th did that one come from?
I just call them which ever names I like in the rare occasion I don’t call them their title (such as joker and Demi-fiend) or “Game” protag