On one hand I think Stephanie is being too hard on Jack. He’s a good man. But on the other hand as a mother, I can understand her fear for her child’s life.
@@jennygustave2074 Thanks! My oldest son is away at college now and I worry about him ALL THE TIME. If he had anything like Felicia’s experience, I’d be freaking out too.
Well, any person whether they are mother or not, know that when you’re being lied to and secrets are being kept, is not the greatest foundation for a new relationship. I enjoyed watching her talk about Felicia being at risk of rape and harm first, & then switched it to remind Jack that he lied to her. clearly, she was thinking of her daughter and then the fact that the jack had already started lying to her. I would’ve done the same thing even though I like Jack.
This just proves what idiots the writers were on this show they blew Stephanie’s romance sky high because they like her bitter and chasing unworthy Eric…. Heaven forbid Stephanie to become truly happy
Idiot writers? Hardly. This is a perfect way to write Stephanie. Breaking up her and Jack was a brilliant move because with her wanting to get Eric back, it set the scene for some epic showdowns between Stephanie and Sheila. Having Stephanie become ‘truly happy’?? What fun would that be? She’d become a boring character if she was in a relationship that was all wonderful and peachy. You obviously don’t know good soap opera when you see it
I can only assume that as an actor, that food fight scene is one you would like to get right on the first attempt... can't imagine being covered in uncooked meat loaf, mashed potatoes, lettuce, ketchup, lemon meringue pie and whipped cream and hearing the director shout "okay, cut, let's do another take!"
Susan Flannery - a world class actress. The expressions in the last 2 mins of this episode make you forget that this is just a soap. In my eyes, she is right up there with the likes of Meryl Streep and Jodie Foster.
An incredible actress. Her performances always give me goosebumps. It never feels like she's acting to me, she is amazing and a world class talent. I've loved her in everything I have ever seen her in. She certainly was the heart and soul of this show ❤
The Karen.and Macy's situation is silly. We relive this moment with Brooke and Taylor at hope wedding with the cake , then Taylor and Brooke at Brooke house with the paint.🤦🏾♀️
Yes, the food fight was Macy's idea. And I think she had the upper hand - she scored a better hit with the meat loaf than Karen did with the salad that just kind of fell off Macy. Macy was actually surprisingly good at fighting for someone so petite. I remember her having a drunken fight with a tough biker chick and holding her own pretty well, as well as managing to (temporarily) wrestle a gun away from Anthony Armando after he shot her mother.
Stephanie you finally have a Man that loves and adores you, who doesn't treat you like you are insignificant, Eric has gone on with his life once again he loves another Woman not you. Jack should have been upfront but he is a good Man at his core.
The moment the words "that is not the impression I'm getting from YOUR HUSBAND" rolled over Karen's lips she should have stopped and realized the weakness of her argument. She is trying to justify her relationship with Thorne *to Thorne's wife* . Also LOL at "Let me go, I'm gonna kill her!" How exactly? By shoving her into the oven like the witch in Hansel and Gretel?
I HATE "food fights." Only rich self indulgent people in rich western countries ever indulge in that. You will never see anyone in a food fight in a 3rd world or other poor country.
@@sharonstewart4882 Stephanie is a controller... Even Felicia wants to run....Advise your children but remember that AR e adults and give them space... Jack was protecting his family as well.... But it always about Stephanie and her clan alone.....she doesn't deserve Jack I wish he end up with Sally
That's best fight among grown-ups that I have seen in the longest time.😀😀😊🙂😄😃.and fighting over Thorne of all things, thats a waste of food and people are going hungry in my country!!!!.😒😒
How come does Thorne after this chapter still look judgemental towards Ridge baffles me,atleast Ridge never did that when Taylor returned from the dead he had Brooke move back into her house
Not when Taylor returned for the second time from the dead (2005). Then Ridge really had a full house (Brooke, Taylor, all the kids: Thomas, the twins, Hope and R.J.). In 2005 Ridge came up with the great idea to spend a day with one woman, then the next day with the other - getting to have some romance time at the beach house away from all kids .. until he would make up his choice between his "wives".
Yeah. All this trouble to land Macy's husband and Karen isn't even into men. Though it actually isn't inconsistent with what we're seeing here. Karen doesn't seem to be genuinely in love with Thorne, any more than she was genuinely in love with Ridge a few months ago. She is just inexperienced and believes whatever she is feeling at the moment has got to be love.
It gives a whole new reading to that scene at Pierre's about her admiring how beautiful Taylor is with Ridge! 👀 That said, while I'm aware of the IRL reasons Karen was made gay in universe, overcompensating is absolutely a thing some of us queer folks can do, and that's a big reason why a lotta gay men used to join the military before DADT. Hell, in my case, I didn't even have a label back in the 2000s for asexuality and I thought me being repulsed by jumping into bed with random hookups was just "having morals" lol.
Stephanie, you are a bit harsh. You too had to deal with someone blackmailing you. You realized that that blackmailer (Deveney) was the woman who had planted herself in Thorne's life and you ran and just arrived in time when a drugged Thorne pointed a gun towards his brother for a second time. You didn't tell your kids either about that blackmailer, never told them about fake Angely/Deveney and instead let them think their newfound sister had just suddenly died. You claim that you have given Jack your heart, but you didn't even let him tell his whole story. (and could still then drop him).
Right; totally agree. She is a very hard character indeed. She has made many mistakes herself. She couldn’t have loved him if she didn’t even give him a chance to explain anything.
Its always about Stephanie and the Forrester clan....jack had to protect his family the Same way she always trample people to protect hers.....what about Thorn shot Ridge ......she doesn't deserve Jack
This reminds me of a scene Brooke was cooking at the Forrester kitchen and Caroline went to pester her. But it didn't end in this really good and funny food fight we saw here. Things were more "proper" back then lol.
LOL. Brooke and Caroline wouldn't have dared that in Stephanie's house. They both would have been too afraid that Stephanie then would have really kicked them both out of the house (would have made Thorne and Caroline move out, as Stephanie had suggested several times) - and so out of Ridge's orbit. 😏 (Ridge was not eager either to move out, not even after he had gotten married (twice)).
And for what reason? I can understand her being angry at Jack, after all that's her kid, but then they waste *years* of her being bitter and petty about Brooke and a marriage was had been on life support well before Beth Logan entered the chat, to copy a term from The Kiddos™. Just an epic fail all the way around, but it does highlight a lot of the issues that carry over on this show to this day in Bell's far less talented son in how much energy Hope and Steffy have wasted (and probably will continue to waste in the future) in Liam.
As usual Stephanie is being a cold hearted witch unwilling to forgive, she never gives anyone a chance. I liked the Caroline character much better than Karen.
I forgot about this version of Thorne.They started with a soft gentle guy ,then replaced him with this selfish dude , and in a few years they will replace him again with the softer version. Out of the three faces and actors who played Thorne this was the version I couldn’t stand.
@Star, when I first started watching Bold, it was this Thorne. I didn't know the first one. But now that I seen first one and k ow the third, ( I done count that Ingo person with shaved head , too tall Thorne) I have agree with you about this Thorne. I like 3rd Thorne tbe best!
Stephanie is taking the wrong approach here the man did the right thing he confessed he told the truth right when he found out may be she doesnot love him enough
To spoil food ugh... good fight is what we want like that between Quinn and Sheila, Stéphanie and Sheila, Beth and Stéphanie (slaps,punches,kicks) thats what i call fighting not food spoiling
I miss Brooke. Anyone want to tell me, how long will the Brookeless and Bridgeless episodes last ? So I can stop watching, I will watch again when KKL is back
On a show with Ridge Forrester, Brooke Logan and Clarke Garrison on canvas, Karen has somehow managed to surpass all of them in unearned entitlement. How TF do you move with someone who never legally divorced his wife in the first place, then demand that said wife allow you to have dinner dates with _her_ husband? Mind you, id long grown tired of the separation and by this point Thorne an Macy have spent the better part of a year of their 18 month marriage apart, but obviously Macy wants nack in and Thorne was open to working it out. That shouldve been enough to get anyone to remove themselves out the picture.
Karen thinks her pie is going to send Macy packing when her pie hasn’t even been on the menu once.
lol
Karen and * insert metaphor * is the gift that keeps on giving.
I see what you did there 🤭
On one hand I think Stephanie is being too hard on Jack. He’s a good man. But on the other hand as a mother, I can understand her fear for her child’s life.
Jack is a dangerous gambler.
@@marlak4253 he quit and Stephanie is cutting off her nose to spite her face
I like how you put it... any mom would understand
@@jennygustave2074 Thanks! My oldest son is away at college now and I worry about him ALL THE TIME. If he had anything like Felicia’s experience, I’d be freaking out too.
Well, any person whether they are mother or not, know that when you’re being lied to and secrets are being kept, is not the greatest foundation for a new relationship. I enjoyed watching her talk about Felicia being at risk of rape and harm first, & then switched it to remind Jack that he lied to her. clearly, she was thinking of her daughter and then the fact that the jack had already started lying to her. I would’ve done the same thing even though I like Jack.
This just proves what idiots the writers were on this show they blew Stephanie’s romance sky high because they like her bitter and chasing unworthy Eric…. Heaven forbid Stephanie to become truly happy
Idiot writers? Hardly. This is a perfect way to write Stephanie. Breaking up her and Jack was a brilliant move because with her wanting to get Eric back, it set the scene for some epic showdowns between Stephanie and Sheila. Having Stephanie become ‘truly happy’?? What fun would that be? She’d become a boring character if she was in a relationship that was all wonderful and peachy. You obviously don’t know good soap opera when you see it
Plus Susan F. Has said she likes playing Stephanie as the o e pushing everyone buttons.
@@trevorbayers2175 😂 ok you me with this 👏🏽
Ha ha
being with jack and adam really showed stephanie`s soft side. with eric she almost like forced her emotions out of herself.
Food fight...this is hilarious 😂🤣😂🤣
I can only assume that as an actor, that food fight scene is one you would like to get right on the first attempt... can't imagine being covered in uncooked meat loaf, mashed potatoes, lettuce, ketchup, lemon meringue pie and whipped cream and hearing the director shout "okay, cut, let's do another take!"
lol
😂😂
Or do a dress/tape vs. dress rehearsal first and hours later to tape. Those were the old technical days. I miss working on soaps
That food fight scene 😂😂
As the argument escalated - tempers flaring; I knew that food did not stand a chance.... Thorne, this has gotta stop, mate!
Susan Flannery - a world class actress. The expressions in the last 2 mins of this episode make you forget that this is just a soap. In my eyes, she is right up there with the likes of Meryl Streep and Jodie Foster.
An incredible actress. Her performances always give me goosebumps. It never feels like she's acting to me, she is amazing and a world class talent. I've loved her in everything I have ever seen her in. She certainly was the heart and soul of this show ❤
@@julieet52 can you recommend any other good shows besides B&B that she is on?
Days of our lives, Dallas, Towering inferno.
Susan is retired now.
@@bonniek5331 Thanks
@@bonniek5331 wow l used to watch Days for awhile l never knew Susan starred in it
LMAO OMG THAT FOOD FIGHT WAS GREAT I BACKED IT UP AND WATCHED IT OVER 👌👍😅😅😅😅😅😅😅👏
The Karen.and Macy's situation is silly. We relive this moment with Brooke and Taylor at hope wedding with the cake , then Taylor and Brooke at Brooke house with the paint.🤦🏾♀️
Macy should have put Karen in her place a long time ago
Would not make sense if Thorn is encouraging the wrong...I blame Thorn
I am so ready for Dannie to come into Karen's life
Hahahaha the food fight between macy and karen . But as funny as the scene is.. so tragic is the story and thorne let this happen...
Have some pie Macy! HahaHaha! I knew Macy was gonna explode LOL! She struck first. This show is old but classy, intriguing and hilarious.
Yes, the food fight was Macy's idea. And I think she had the upper hand - she scored a better hit with the meat loaf than Karen did with the salad that just kind of fell off Macy. Macy was actually surprisingly good at fighting for someone so petite. I remember her having a drunken fight with a tough biker chick and holding her own pretty well, as well as managing to (temporarily) wrestle a gun away from Anthony Armando after he shot her mother.
@@annieo6527 You one of those people who like spoilers huh.
@@sunrisesunset1734 sorry! I kind of assumed most people knew already.
@@annieo6527 assumption is the mother of all mistakes
It’s clear to see that Karen is ONLY like Caroline in appearance. Lol
Stephanie you finally have a Man that loves and adores you, who doesn't treat you like you are insignificant, Eric has gone on with his life once again he loves another Woman not you. Jack should have been upfront but he is a good Man at his core.
Stephanie is too selfish and cold hearted to see that
The moment the words "that is not the impression I'm getting from YOUR HUSBAND" rolled over Karen's lips she should have stopped and realized the weakness of her argument. She is trying to justify her relationship with Thorne *to Thorne's wife* .
Also LOL at "Let me go, I'm gonna kill her!" How exactly? By shoving her into the oven like the witch in Hansel and Gretel?
Sister wives
Epic food fight with Karen and Macy lol
Susan Flannery was amazing and the writers got it right. Well done.
She is an amazing actress!
I HATE "food fights." Only rich self indulgent people in rich western countries ever indulge in that. You will never see anyone in a food fight in a 3rd world or other poor country.
Well, that’s because they know better not to waste God’s gifts and resources
While i think shes a bit harsh Stephanie puts her children first before any man/happiness (the street walker would never)😆
ITA. While I love Stephanie and Jack together, I can understand how Stephanie feels and I think most mothers would feel the same way.
@@sharonstewart4882 she loves her children anyone hurts her child hurts her
@@sharonstewart4882 Stephanie is a controller... Even Felicia wants to run....Advise your children but remember that AR e adults and give them space... Jack was protecting his family as well.... But it always about Stephanie and her clan alone.....she doesn't deserve Jack I wish he end up with Sally
That's why Sally told Stephanie that your daughters couldn't wait to leave home
Why didn’t Stephanie go off on Eric like this or act as aggressive as this towards him in the early years of the show?
I hope the food in the food fight were props I hate to see food fights and even worse are food eating contests
I just wish Stephanie should give Jack another chance! 😤
Susan Flannery is an incredible actress I was right there with her on her roller-coaster of emotions.
That's best fight among grown-ups that I have seen in the longest time.😀😀😊🙂😄😃.and fighting over Thorne of all things, thats a waste of food and people are going hungry in my country!!!!.😒😒
I feel you
How come does Thorne after this chapter still look judgemental towards Ridge baffles me,atleast Ridge never did that when Taylor returned from the dead he had Brooke move back into her house
Not when Taylor returned for the second time from the dead (2005). Then Ridge really had a full house (Brooke, Taylor, all the kids: Thomas, the twins, Hope and R.J.).
In 2005 Ridge came up with the great idea to spend a day with one woman, then the next day with the other - getting to have some romance time at the beach house away from all kids .. until he would make up his choice between his "wives".
@@mara4450 Oh boy heart we go again🤔
This show loves the food fights between female characters 🙄🤦🏻♀️
This was a pretty good one though. I wonder who would have won if Thorne hadn't walked in.
I don't recall men on soaps having a food fight. They duke it out! I feel soaps would have an interest of 2 females duke it out in a food fight
food fight how junior high
SF, what an actress
It's funny how Karen is fighting for Thorne but in later years she marries a woman and declares how happy she is.
Yeah. All this trouble to land Macy's husband and Karen isn't even into men.
Though it actually isn't inconsistent with what we're seeing here. Karen doesn't seem to be genuinely in love with Thorne, any more than she was genuinely in love with Ridge a few months ago. She is just inexperienced and believes whatever she is feeling at the moment has got to be love.
It gives a whole new reading to that scene at Pierre's about her admiring how beautiful Taylor is with Ridge! 👀
That said, while I'm aware of the IRL reasons Karen was made gay in universe, overcompensating is absolutely a thing some of us queer folks can do, and that's a big reason why a lotta gay men used to join the military before DADT.
Hell, in my case, I didn't even have a label back in the 2000s for asexuality and I thought me being repulsed by jumping into bed with random hookups was just "having morals" lol.
Stephanie, you are a bit harsh. You too had to deal with someone blackmailing you.
You realized that that blackmailer (Deveney) was the woman who had planted herself in Thorne's life and you ran and just arrived in time when a drugged Thorne pointed a gun towards his brother for a second time.
You didn't tell your kids either about that blackmailer, never told them about fake Angely/Deveney and instead let them think their newfound sister had just suddenly died.
You claim that you have given Jack your heart, but you didn't even let him tell his whole story. (and could still then drop him).
very well said
Right; totally agree. She is a very hard character indeed. She has made many mistakes herself. She couldn’t have loved him if she didn’t even give him a chance to explain anything.
Its always about Stephanie and the Forrester clan....jack had to protect his family the Same way she always trample people to protect hers.....what about Thorn shot Ridge ......she doesn't deserve Jack
Stephanie have every right to be angry,how many times she forgave bimbo Eric?
Bimbo? Or himbo? Sly's definitely is a himbo
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. She's such a Spencer!
This reminds me of a scene Brooke was cooking at the Forrester kitchen and Caroline went to pester her. But it didn't end in this really good and funny food fight we saw here. Things were more "proper" back then lol.
LOL. Brooke and Caroline wouldn't have dared that in Stephanie's house. They both would have been too afraid that Stephanie then would have really kicked them both out of the house (would have made Thorne and Caroline move out, as Stephanie had suggested several times) - and so out of Ridge's orbit. 😏
(Ridge was not eager either to move out, not even after he had gotten married (twice)).
@@mara4450 LOL , I didn't think of the Stephanie element, that WOULD have been a reason to control themselves.
Well years later we get the Brooke, Taylor cake fight, Tay starts!
Cannot stand this side of Karen !!!
Here comes furious Stephanie 3:00
Miss hearing that piano music 3:40
CBS StereoSound opening 4:38
Retro Metamucil 5:12
Food fight!!! 15:20
I like the part where Macy and Karen have the food fight.
Stephanie could have had Adam or Jack but the writers killed both storylines
And for what reason? I can understand her being angry at Jack, after all that's her kid, but then they waste *years* of her being bitter and petty about Brooke and a marriage was had been on life support well before Beth Logan entered the chat, to copy a term from The Kiddos™.
Just an epic fail all the way around, but it does highlight a lot of the issues that carry over on this show to this day in Bell's far less talented son in how much energy Hope and Steffy have wasted (and probably will continue to waste in the future) in Liam.
I love the bold food fights.
Oh this food fight is hysterical
(In Samwise Gamgee voice) "Throw it in the fire!!!"
Macy I'm glad you're fighting for your marriage. But your husband can't make up his mind. I would've been gone by day 2.
As usual Stephanie is being a cold hearted witch unwilling to forgive, she never gives anyone a chance. I liked the Caroline character much better than Karen.
I forgot about this version of Thorne.They started with a soft gentle guy ,then replaced him with this selfish dude , and in a few years they will replace him again with the softer version. Out of the three faces and actors who played Thorne this was the version I couldn’t stand.
@Star, when I first started watching Bold, it was this Thorne. I didn't know the first one. But now that I seen first one and k ow the third, ( I done count that Ingo person with shaved head , too tall Thorne)
I have agree with you about this Thorne. I like 3rd Thorne tbe best!
This episode originally aired on Tuesday, November 10th, 1992
Stephanie is taking the wrong approach here the man did the right thing he confessed he told the truth right when he found out may be she doesnot love him enough
A food fight??
Stephanie you told Eric he doesn't know anything about Sheila and look at you now 😅
Karen is an awful character. I was so glad JJ was coming back too.
To spoil food ugh... good fight is what we want like that between Quinn and Sheila, Stéphanie and Sheila, Beth and Stéphanie (slaps,punches,kicks) thats what i call fighting not food spoiling
Stephanie tells Jack, "I thought I knew you." Does she even know he's a gambling addict?
Show aired Nov. 10th, 1992
I miss Brooke.
Anyone want to tell me, how long will the Brookeless and Bridgeless episodes last ?
So I can stop watching, I will watch again when KKL is back
Every show without Brooke in is a treat.
Agree so boring without Brooke
I don't miss her at all
Hi Agnes agree this show is so boring without Brooke and Ridge. They make it. I hope somebody answers your question as to how long this goes on for.
I wish she'd leave and not come back and take Sheila with her.
Cordless phones!
The original air date for this episode is November 10, 1992.
I don’t feel sorry for Stephanie At All
I wish I could skip this whole year of episodes?!!! 😂
On a show with Ridge Forrester, Brooke Logan and Clarke Garrison on canvas, Karen has somehow managed to surpass all of them in unearned entitlement. How TF do you move with someone who never legally divorced his wife in the first place, then demand that said wife allow you to have dinner dates with _her_ husband?
Mind you, id long grown tired of the separation and by this point Thorne an Macy have spent the better part of a year of their 18 month marriage apart, but obviously Macy wants nack in and Thorne was open to working it out. That shouldve been enough to get anyone to remove themselves out the picture.
What exactly is Karen making that requires two eggs and mixing it with her hands? I am grossed out.
Stephanie wants to call the police. WHY? What can they possibly do?
Is the last of Jack?
This went to air around the time of the Somalia famine!
I hate Karren