One of my favorite sermons on St.John Paul II! I quote from it often when arguing with trads on St.John Paul II. I feel so blessed to have lived in his lifetime.
Excellent stuff, and highly pertinent right now, given the state of the Church. One thing really stuck out at me, and that is the first quote you provided about the infallibility of canonizations being predicated on the following of the solemn procedures established since the 9th century. Since these procedures were done away with during JP2s' pontificate with the removal of the Promoter Fidei in all but name, it begs the question of whether or not the current process is the same as that which came before.
An interesting quote from Archbishop Lefebvre, Sermon, Oct. 28, 1986: “John Paul II has encouraged false religions to pray to their false gods: it is an unprecedented and intolerable humiliation to those who remain Catholic…" So now he's a saint?
Famijoly So your denying what John Paul II did? unlike him, archbishop Marcel Lefebvre kept the traditional faith and never broke Canon Law. atleast without reason
@Famijoy John Paul II ecumenist, kissed the koran- became Saint St. Peter from Temissis(Turkey) became Saint because did not kissed the koran catholicsaints.info/saint-peter-of-temissis/ Can anyone explain what is this?
"Tom Berryhill 7 months ago: It's this simple... Die a holy death = Go to heaven... no matter the number and gravity of sins you committed in life. Or, don't you believe in forgiveness?" Obviously it doesn't matter if a few million extra souls will be in hell, eh?
This sermon confuses the public by using spurious, twisted, contrived, bait and switch, smoke and mirrors type rhetorical arguments as well as by covering up or ignoring numerous legitimate contrary arguments. It is a most mendacious, deceitful sermon, at best. Here's just one example: The question is not "why should we be the slightest bit amazed that Pope John Paul II is in Heaven," but rather why should we venerate someone who failed to faithfully fulfill and discharge his solemn duties, obligations, and responsibilities as Pope and Universal Shepherd? Logic, right reason, and fairness dictate that any scandalous, rigged, so-called "canonization" done under much debated, controversy-ridden, dubious post Vatican II rules, is NO canonization at all. Indeed, it is a scandal not only to faithful Catholics, but to decent people all over the world. The so-called "canonizations" of John Paul II, Paul VI, John XXIII, Jose Maria Escriva de Balaguer, and Oscar Arnulfo Romero are objectively invalid because all opposition witnesses, evidence, and testimonies were arbitrarily, summarily, and unethically suppressed! No transparency, no public scrutiny, no accountability equals NO valid canonization. Thankfully, these canonizations were performed without any pretense of papal infallibility because, remember, Modernists don't believe in papal infallibility. If they did, they couldn't be Modernists. These so-called "canonizations" are a sham, a mockery, and a public scandal to people of all creeds and faiths!
When did the canonization of a saint by the pope become a matter of public scrutiny? The call for transparency like we would get to vote on it and only if the majority agree then someone can be considered a saint! In this video the speaker pointed out all of the criteria that was needed for someone to be a canonized saint validly pre Vatican 2. I am shocked at your superiority in being able to make a judgment over the pope no matter who he is. We do not get to vote on weather someone is a saint or not. Catholicism is not a democracy. I feel where you are coming from and your zeal for virtue is admirable but I fear you are dangerously close to leaving the protection of mother church. I will pray for you, please pray for me.
But in the case of a man who should never have been canonized (without doubting that he is in heaven), the scandal is on those who pushed the canonization. I say this about Josemaria Escriva. The harm done is incalculable.
Didn't JP II change much of the devil's advocate, and didn't he add to the Rosary given to us by the Blessed Mother? Didn't he go against the 1st Commandment by attending Assisi with false religions, etc.? I don't think any of the VII Pope's are saints simply because they rejected the true mass for the Novus Ordo and have led many souls to a false ecumenism and syncretism paving the way for the one world religion under antichrist.
@@amascia8327, I was about to ask you to not make jokes about this. But then I realized I already did that when getting familiar with this stuff. I was wondering if we should have class A and class B saints? Or semi-saints? Or saints lite? Although some of the almost saints were total heretics. But well, isn't that what is said on the video, that it's very easy to have it any which way.
@@seriouscat2231 I guess the only consolation is in knowing the Queen, the most powerful piece on God's chessboard, is still in play AND WILL CRUSH THE ENEMY. Meanwhile, our job is to pray in confidence relying on Her promises. 📿
JP II got a Halo Award! It's easier to get made a saint by the members of the Modernist sect in control of the Church than to be inducted in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Absurd!
Why does the catholic church charge $50,000 to . $250,000.. a crazy amount of $ dollars for a p ice of paper say someone’s a saint don’t? How do they explain the 50 to 250’000$ price tag to say yours saint
Now what if we died because of nuclear holocaust due to some dictator who has a ICBM, we wouldn't know the hour in which we would die does God still grants us mercy?
Where is your proof that Pope John Paul II wasn't catholic? Did he teach anything contrary to the teachings of the Church? No he didn't!!! And neither has any other pope. You are basically calling our Blessed Lord Jesus a liar! Because Jesus clearly said that the gates of hell will NOT prevail against His Church. Please repent and come back to immaculate spouse of God, which is the Roman Catholic Church.
Just in case anyone else sees this... John Paul Pope II is to be assumed Catholic since no one (save a later Pope) may declare a Pope guilty of formal heresy; however, he did many things that would have, were he not Pope (and were the modernists not occupying most of the Episcopal offices), caused him to be excommunicated. These include subjecting himself to pagan rituals, kissing the Quaran, having intercommunion with the Greek heretics, and participating in the indifferentist "ecumenical" prayer meetings at Assisi. Now, is it possible for a Pope to be anathematised or to be guilty of heresy? Yes. Honorius Pope I was anathematised for heresy (which, by the way, disproves you assertion that no Pope has ever taught anything contrary to the Faith). A Pope is only protected by infallibility when he speaks ex Cathedra, which is rare.
+Michael Rex Sorry for being vague. It was a while ago I posted that. I agree and disagree with you. First, yes some of the things Pope St. JPII did may have been scandalous and/or questionable. Besides the things you mentioned, his personalist approach to ethics is somewhat sketchy. However he is not infallible when he did those actions or anything he did as a private theologian, so I don't why you brought him up. Secondly, we can't say Pope Honorius was a manifest heretic. St. Robert Bellarmine and St. Alphonsus take care of this controversy. A quote by St. Robert Bellarmine: "Then they say, however, that a little below he [Pope Honorius I] clearly preaches only one will in these words: 'Wherefore, we profess one will of our Lord Jesus Christ.' I respond: In that place, Honorius spoke only on the human nature, and wished to say that in the man, Christ, there were not two wills opposing each other, one of the flesh and the other of the spirit; but only one, namely the spirit. For the flesh in Christ desired absolutely nothing against reason. Moreover, this is the mind of Honorius, and that is plain from the reason that he gave. Thus he says: 'Wherefore, we affirm one will of our Lord Jesus Christ, because certainly our nature was assumed by the divinity, there is no fault, certainly that which had created sin, not that which was damaged after sin.' This reasoning is null, if it is advanced to prove in Christ, God and man there is only one will: it is very efficacious, if thence it must be proved, that in Christ the man where there not contrary wills of the flesh and spirit. That contrariety is born from sin, but Christ has a human nature without sin." Further as St. Alphonsus said, "We do not, by any means, deny that Honorius was in error, when he imposed silence on those who discussed the question of one or two wills in Christ, because when the matter in dispute is erroneous, it is only favouring error to impose silence." Although St. Robert Bellarmine didn't do a good job on some aspects of his historical research, nevertheless, he agrees with St. Alphonsus that Honorius was condemned due to his failure in stopping the monothelite heresy. In a nutshell, Popes can give scandal, they can give opinions that are in erroneous, but they cannot (and have not) teach heresy ex cathedra. Anyone interested in looking into this more in depth, check out Mediatrix Press for St. Robert Bellarmine's writings and the newly translated work by Cardinal Franzelin. Pax et Bonum!
Jose Apolinar I am well aware that no Pope can declare heresy ex Cathedra; all I stated is that a Pope can hold _privately_ to heresy. The problem with John Paul Pope II is that if he did those things in his private life (which of course no one with the faculties of reason would deny that he did), his life can hardly be deemed worthy of imitation, since we have no proof he ever repented. If his life is not worthy of imitation, why was he declared a Saint?
Michael Rex pope John Paul 2 was in captivity from the Bishops. the best he thought he could do was travel around and let people see him and hope the grace from heaven will lead them to the Church. He probably knew he couldn't change the Church. he was probably waiting for the promise of Fatima and awaited for the miracle.
yes, very easy, losing your entire family by the age of 21, living under the Nazi and then communist regime, being hit by a Nazi truck and surviving, losing almost all your friends to the concentration camps, going to the clandestine seminary, working in a quarry and then in a chemical factory so as not to run the risk of being caught and dying, writing books like Love and Responsibility, helping the youth of his parish in the midst of communism by taking them to retreats close to nature, but not being able to dressing like a priest and asking to be called uncle, so as not to be caught. Fight so that the people of Nowa Huta: “The City Without God” in Iron Curtain Poland have the right to have a Church. Being made Pope in 1978, with the speech: No, do not be afraid! Rather, try to open, better yet, throw open the doors to Christ! Go to Poland and in front of an audience of 300,000 people to speak: "And I cry, I, son of the Polish land, and at the same time I, John Paul II, Pope, cry from the depths of this Millennium, I cry on the eve of Pentecost: Let Your Spirit descend! Let Your Spirit descend! And renew the face of the earth. From this Earth! As the crowd sings "We Want God". Carry out the weekly catechesis that generated the Theology of the Body. write 14 encyclicals. Be an indispensable part of the end of communism. Suffering an attack on the day and time of the first apparition of Our Lady of Fátina in Saint Peter's Square and miraculously surviving, suffering another attack in Fatima, Portugal by a priest called Juan Fernández Krohn with a 37 cm bayonet, fortunately, he was only slightly injured. Pray at least 6 hours a day, sleep on the marble floor of the room, mess up the sheets so no one notices. Often spending the entire night praying in front of the Blessed Sacrament, even when already very weak. Say prayers for all requests that arrived by letter or otherwise, in addition to all Vatican employees. Having surgery for bowel cancer. He broke his right shoulder and then his femur due to a fall. Being diagnosed with Parkinson's, continuing your responsibility and love for the priesthood until the last minute. Create World Youth Days, and touch the hearts of all of us. Yes, it seems pretty easy, right? What have you done today?! I washed the dishes...
I beg to disagree. John Paul II taught numerous heresies, which we needn't try to recite, for they are many. Pray for the soul of John Paul II, under whose pontificate undoubtedly millions of souls went to hell.
The Church recommends that we pray to the saints so they can intercede with God and help us. One of those saints is Pope JPII. Holy people are canonized when God performs a couple of miracles through their intercession. That happened with the intercession of Pope JPII. So God is telling us what He thinks of Pope JPII. God gave His final and unchangeable verdict. It is only in the case of saints that the Church can say "that saint is in Heaven". The Church told us Pope JPII is a saint in Heaven, so lets follow the mind of Christ and His Church.
The miracles of God speak for themselves. They prove one thing: Pope JP II is a saint and God accepts his intercession on our behalf. If God allows miracles with his intercession, then we should accept the judgement of God and not our own fallible judgement. When God speaks the faitful listen. Those who have faith believe that God is Truth They also believe that God will not allow miracles with the interession of a sinner or an unholy person so as to mislead a billion catholics. Remember miracles are supernatural occurances that can only be done by God and not by any human science or knowledge.
From the Summa of St Thomas Aquinas, the First Part, Question 110, Article 4. "Whether angels can work miracles?" “On the contrary, It is written of God (Psalm 135:4): "Who alone doth great wonders." I answer that, A miracle properly so called is when something is done outside the order of nature. But it is not enough for a miracle if something is done outside the order of any particular nature; for otherwise anyone would perform a miracle by throwing a stone upwards, as such a thing is outside the order of the stone's nature. So for a miracle is required that it be against the order of the whole created nature. But God alone can do this, because, whatever an angel or any other creature does by its own power, is according to the order of created nature; and thus it is not a miracle. Hence God alone can work miracles.”
Leonardo, If it was only that priest, then I would agree with you but there are many witnesses to his intercession and holiness. I guess you can say to me that they are all liars and that is your right. I cannot think for one moment, that the gates of Hell prevailed against the Church (as you say with several popes for several years) when Christ was explicit about this. As a catholic I cannot reject one of the main principles upon which all my faith is built. If I change the pillar of truth to a pillar of untruth, then the whole building falls (all Catholicism). I would lose my faith if I believe what you believe. It is either the pillar of Truth, One Holy Apostolic Church or not. And if "not" then the gates of Hell prevailed against it which would make Christ a liar (God forbid). So we shall have to agree to disagree about this. As St Bernadette says. one is obligated to tell the truth but one is not obligated to make others believe it. Wishing you well.
I loved JP2 but I came to know that he kissed the koran and prayed in Assisi with people from other religions. This causes confusion even today, so I am not sure JP2 is a saint. Plus with no devils advocate, his canonization is strange.
Not just strange. It's objectively invalid because all opposition witnesses, evidence, and testimonies were arbitrarily, summarily, and unethically suppressed!
I tried following this, but I will have to rewatch it to get it fully
One of my favorite sermons on St.John Paul II! I quote from it often when arguing with trads on St.John Paul II. I feel so blessed to have lived in his lifetime.
Let us pray for our Holy Father,our Bishops and Priests.
Excellent stuff, and highly pertinent right now, given the state of the Church. One thing really stuck out at me, and that is the first quote you provided about the infallibility of canonizations being predicated on the following of the solemn procedures established since the 9th century. Since these procedures were done away with during JP2s' pontificate with the removal of the Promoter Fidei in all but name, it begs the question of whether or not the current process is the same as that which came before.
I want to make perfect conformity with God's will
Me too
Smart
Perfect. This puts it in perfect perspective. God is so very good to us.
I just love this holy priest. Is there a collection of all of his sermons and talks anywhere?
Thanks so much, father
At one time, canonizations were special-now, the Vatican’s giving them out like cheap candy.
I still worry about it, I'm imperfect and have shortcomings.
CHRIST IS KING
Is it fair to question the process of canonization since it has been relaxed? Or is it still understood to be infallible?
An interesting quote from Archbishop Lefebvre, Sermon, Oct. 28, 1986: “John Paul II has encouraged false religions to pray to their false gods: it is an unprecedented and intolerable humiliation to those who remain Catholic…" So now he's a saint?
Archbishop Lefebvre? No. Pope John Paul II? Yes. St. John Paul II, pray for us.
Famijoly So your denying what John Paul II did? unlike him, archbishop Marcel Lefebvre kept the traditional faith and never broke Canon Law. atleast without reason
I was replying to your question, "So now he's a saint?" Who "he" is not clear from your question. So answered regarding both men you mentioned.
@Famijoy
John Paul II ecumenist, kissed the koran- became Saint
St. Peter from Temissis(Turkey) became Saint because did not kissed the koran
catholicsaints.info/saint-peter-of-temissis/
Can anyone explain what is this?
"Tom Berryhill 7 months ago: It's this simple... Die a holy death = Go to heaven... no matter the number and gravity of sins you committed in life. Or, don't you believe in forgiveness?"
Obviously it doesn't matter if a few million extra souls will be in hell, eh?
This sermon confuses the public by using spurious, twisted, contrived, bait and switch, smoke and mirrors type rhetorical arguments as well as by covering up or ignoring numerous legitimate contrary arguments.
It is a most mendacious, deceitful sermon, at best. Here's just one example: The question is not "why should we be the slightest bit amazed that Pope John Paul II is in Heaven," but rather why should we venerate someone who failed to faithfully fulfill and discharge his solemn duties, obligations, and responsibilities as Pope and Universal Shepherd?
Logic, right reason, and fairness dictate that any scandalous, rigged, so-called "canonization" done under much debated, controversy-ridden, dubious post Vatican II rules, is NO canonization at all. Indeed, it is a scandal not only to faithful Catholics, but to decent people all over the world.
The so-called "canonizations" of John Paul II, Paul VI, John XXIII, Jose Maria Escriva de Balaguer, and Oscar Arnulfo Romero are objectively invalid because all opposition witnesses, evidence, and testimonies were arbitrarily, summarily, and unethically suppressed!
No transparency, no public scrutiny, no accountability equals NO valid canonization. Thankfully, these canonizations were performed without any pretense of papal infallibility because, remember, Modernists don't believe in papal infallibility. If they did, they couldn't be Modernists.
These so-called "canonizations" are a sham, a mockery, and a public scandal to people of all creeds and faiths!
When did the canonization of a saint by the pope become a matter of public scrutiny? The call for transparency like we would get to vote on it and only if the majority agree then someone can be considered a saint! In this video the speaker pointed out all of the criteria that was needed for someone to be a canonized saint validly pre Vatican 2. I am shocked at your superiority in being able to make a judgment over the pope no matter who he is. We do not get to vote on weather someone is a saint or not. Catholicism is not a democracy. I feel where you are coming from and your zeal for virtue is admirable but I fear you are dangerously close to leaving the protection of mother church. I will pray for you, please pray for me.
JP2 was an apostate. He was not Catholic. www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=29
Interesting that he says criminal when Roncalli shows up.
But in the case of a man who should never have been canonized (without doubting that he is in heaven), the scandal is on those who pushed the canonization. I say this about Josemaria Escriva. The harm done is incalculable.
Amen! Yes, the harm is incalculable. But what was Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer's first miracle? Answer: To be canonized a "saint."
Didn't JP II change much of the devil's advocate, and didn't he add to the Rosary given to us by the Blessed Mother? Didn't he go against the 1st Commandment by attending Assisi with false religions, etc.? I don't think any of the VII Pope's are saints simply because they rejected the true mass for the Novus Ordo and have led many souls to a false ecumenism and syncretism paving the way for the one world religion under antichrist.
But, it's easy to be a Saint! [especially with JP2's new V2 canonization procedure, eh]
@@amascia8327, I was about to ask you to not make jokes about this. But then I realized I already did that when getting familiar with this stuff. I was wondering if we should have class A and class B saints? Or semi-saints? Or saints lite? Although some of the almost saints were total heretics. But well, isn't that what is said on the video, that it's very easy to have it any which way.
@@seriouscat2231 I guess the only consolation is in knowing the Queen, the most powerful piece on God's chessboard, is still in play AND WILL CRUSH THE ENEMY. Meanwhile, our job is to pray in confidence relying on Her promises. 📿
JP II got a Halo Award! It's easier to get made a saint by the members of the Modernist sect in control of the Church than to be inducted in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Absurd!
As an Empath, I worry about his immortal soul. I just don't want to know where he is now and hope in God 's mercy.
Why does the catholic church charge $50,000 to . $250,000.. a crazy amount of $ dollars for a p ice of paper say someone’s a saint don’t? How do they explain the 50 to 250’000$ price tag to say yours saint
Now what if we died because of nuclear holocaust due to some dictator who has a ICBM, we wouldn't know the hour in which we would die does God still grants us mercy?
Sabrina Nascimento don't wait for the 11th hour
Maybe it is.
Where is your proof that Pope John Paul II wasn't catholic? Did he teach anything contrary to the teachings of the Church? No he didn't!!! And neither has any other pope. You are basically calling our Blessed Lord Jesus a liar! Because Jesus clearly said that the gates of hell will NOT prevail against His Church. Please repent and come back to immaculate spouse of God, which is the Roman Catholic Church.
Exactly. You are correct!
Just in case anyone else sees this...
John Paul Pope II is to be assumed Catholic since no one (save a later Pope) may declare a Pope guilty of formal heresy; however, he did many things that would have, were he not Pope (and were the modernists not occupying most of the Episcopal offices), caused him to be excommunicated.
These include subjecting himself to pagan rituals, kissing the Quaran, having intercommunion with the Greek heretics, and participating in the indifferentist "ecumenical" prayer meetings at Assisi.
Now, is it possible for a Pope to be anathematised or to be guilty of heresy? Yes. Honorius Pope I was anathematised for heresy (which, by the way, disproves you assertion that no Pope has ever taught anything contrary to the Faith). A Pope is only protected by infallibility when he speaks ex Cathedra, which is rare.
+Michael Rex Sorry for being vague. It was a while ago I posted that. I agree and disagree with you. First, yes some of the things Pope St. JPII did may have been scandalous and/or questionable. Besides the things you mentioned, his personalist approach to ethics is somewhat sketchy. However he is not infallible when he did those actions or anything he did as a private theologian, so I don't why you brought him up. Secondly, we can't say Pope Honorius was a manifest heretic. St. Robert Bellarmine and St. Alphonsus take care of this controversy. A quote by St. Robert Bellarmine: "Then they say, however, that a little below he [Pope Honorius I] clearly preaches only one will in these words: 'Wherefore, we profess one will of our Lord Jesus Christ.' I respond: In that place, Honorius spoke only on the human nature, and wished to say that in the man, Christ, there were not two wills opposing each other, one of the flesh and the other of the spirit; but only one, namely the spirit. For the flesh in Christ desired absolutely nothing against reason. Moreover, this is the mind of Honorius, and that is plain from the reason that he gave. Thus he says: 'Wherefore, we affirm one will of our Lord Jesus Christ, because certainly our nature was assumed by the divinity, there is no fault, certainly that which had created sin, not that which was damaged after sin.' This reasoning is null, if it is advanced to prove in Christ, God and man there is only one will: it is very efficacious, if thence it must be proved, that in Christ the man where there not contrary wills of the flesh and spirit. That contrariety is born from sin, but Christ has a human nature without sin." Further as St. Alphonsus said, "We do not, by any means, deny that Honorius was in error, when he imposed silence on those who discussed the question of one or two wills in Christ, because when the matter in dispute is erroneous, it is only favouring error to impose silence." Although St. Robert Bellarmine didn't do a good job on some aspects of his historical research, nevertheless, he agrees with St. Alphonsus that Honorius was condemned due to his failure in stopping the monothelite heresy. In a nutshell, Popes can give scandal, they can give opinions that are in erroneous, but they cannot (and have not) teach heresy ex cathedra. Anyone interested in looking into this more in depth, check out Mediatrix Press for St. Robert Bellarmine's writings and the newly translated work by Cardinal Franzelin. Pax et Bonum!
Jose Apolinar
I am well aware that no Pope can declare heresy ex Cathedra; all I stated is that a Pope can hold _privately_ to heresy.
The problem with John Paul Pope II is that if he did those things in his private life (which of course no one with the faculties of reason would deny that he did), his life can hardly be deemed worthy of imitation, since we have no proof he ever repented. If his life is not worthy of imitation, why was he declared a Saint?
Michael Rex pope John Paul 2 was in captivity from the Bishops. the best he thought he could do was travel around and let people see him and hope the grace from heaven will lead them to the Church. He probably knew he couldn't change the Church. he was probably waiting for the promise of Fatima and awaited for the miracle.
yes, very easy, losing your entire family by the age of 21, living under the Nazi and then communist regime, being hit by a Nazi truck and surviving, losing almost all your friends to the concentration camps, going to the clandestine seminary, working in a quarry and then in a chemical factory so as not to run the risk of being caught and dying, writing books like Love and Responsibility, helping the youth of his parish in the midst of communism by taking them to retreats close to nature, but not being able to dressing like a priest and asking to be called uncle, so as not to be caught. Fight so that the people of Nowa Huta: “The City Without God” in Iron Curtain Poland have the right to have a Church. Being made Pope in 1978, with the speech: No, do not be afraid! Rather, try to open, better yet, throw open the doors to Christ! Go to Poland and in front of an audience of 300,000 people to speak: "And I cry, I, son of the Polish land, and at the same time I, John Paul II, Pope, cry from the depths of this Millennium, I cry on the eve of Pentecost: Let Your Spirit descend! Let Your Spirit descend! And renew the face of the earth. From this Earth! As the crowd sings "We Want God". Carry out the weekly catechesis that generated the Theology of the Body. write 14 encyclicals. Be an indispensable part of the end of communism. Suffering an attack on the day and time of the first apparition of Our Lady of Fátina in Saint Peter's Square and miraculously surviving, suffering another attack in Fatima, Portugal by a priest called Juan Fernández Krohn with a 37 cm bayonet, fortunately, he was only slightly injured. Pray at least 6 hours a day, sleep on the marble floor of the room, mess up the sheets so no one notices. Often spending the entire night praying in front of the Blessed Sacrament, even when already very weak. Say prayers for all requests that arrived by letter or otherwise, in addition to all Vatican employees. Having surgery for bowel cancer. He broke his right shoulder and then his femur due to a fall. Being diagnosed with Parkinson's, continuing your responsibility and love for the priesthood until the last minute. Create World Youth Days, and touch the hearts of all of us. Yes, it seems pretty easy, right? What have you done today?! I washed the dishes...
I beg to disagree. John Paul II taught numerous heresies, which we needn't try to recite, for they are many.
Pray for the soul of John Paul II, under whose pontificate undoubtedly millions of souls went to hell.
Mark Williams And YOU'RE QUALIFIED TO JUDGE THIS, HOW?!??😂😎
The Church recommends that we pray to the saints so they can intercede with God and help us. One of those saints is Pope JPII. Holy people are canonized when God performs a couple of miracles through their intercession. That happened with the intercession of Pope JPII. So God is telling us what He thinks of Pope JPII. God gave His final and unchangeable verdict. It is only in the case of saints that the Church can say "that saint is in Heaven". The Church told us Pope JPII is a saint in Heaven, so lets follow the mind of Christ and His Church.
The miracles of God speak for themselves. They prove one thing: Pope JP II is a saint and God accepts his intercession on our behalf. If God allows miracles with his intercession, then we should accept the judgement of God and not our own fallible judgement. When God speaks the faitful listen. Those who have faith believe that God is Truth They also believe that God will not allow miracles with the interession of a sinner or an unholy person so as to mislead a billion catholics. Remember miracles are supernatural occurances that can only be done by God and not by any human science or knowledge.
From the Summa of St Thomas Aquinas, the First Part, Question 110, Article 4. "Whether angels can work miracles?"
“On the contrary, It is written of God (Psalm 135:4): "Who alone doth great wonders."
I answer that, A miracle properly so called is when something is done outside the order of nature. But it is not enough for a miracle if something is done outside the order of any particular nature; for otherwise anyone would perform a miracle by throwing a stone upwards, as such a thing is outside the order of the stone's nature. So for a miracle is required that it be against the order of the whole created nature. But God alone can do this, because, whatever an angel or any other creature does by its own power, is according to the order of created nature; and thus it is not a miracle.
Hence God alone can work miracles.”
Leonardo, If it was only that priest, then I would agree with you but there are many witnesses to his intercession and holiness. I guess you can say to me that they are all liars and that is your right. I cannot think for one moment, that the gates of Hell prevailed against the Church (as you say with several popes for several years) when Christ was explicit about this. As a catholic I cannot reject one of the main principles upon which all my faith is built. If I change the pillar of truth to a pillar of untruth, then the whole building falls (all Catholicism). I would lose my faith if I believe what you believe. It is either the pillar of Truth, One Holy Apostolic Church or not. And if "not" then the gates of Hell prevailed against it which would make Christ a liar (God forbid). So we shall have to agree to disagree about this. As St Bernadette says. one is obligated to tell the truth but one is not obligated to make others believe it. Wishing you well.
I loved JP2 but I came to know that he kissed the koran and prayed in Assisi with people from other religions. This causes confusion even today, so I am not sure JP2 is a saint. Plus with no devils advocate, his canonization is strange.
Do you find all canonizations prior to the establishment of the position of the devil's advocate in the 16th century similarly strange?
Not just strange. It's objectively invalid because all opposition witnesses, evidence, and testimonies were arbitrarily, summarily, and unethically suppressed!
Let St.Pope John Paul, pray to save Ukraine 🙏