Understanding Wing Chun 3 Timing Points
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Wing Chun is an advanced fighting system and one of its principals is the 3 timing points: Early, On Time and Late. Today GM Milos Drakulic teaches Ilan from @inside_fighting ,a Jujitsu blackbelt, about this concept and how it is used against various attacks. They also discussed the importance of the proper footwork and the Stance Invading Step where one closes the gap while aggressively attacking your opponent.
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Is the wing chin Ring That I see people using sometimes.
Worth getting
@@JamesJones-bs3hoI’ve never used it and don’t see the need for it.
Bridges vs gates
Jut and tok saus
Different ways of taking center line
Very reminiscent of EBMAS. Dai Sifu Emin Boztepe has the same aproach. Hvala puno, brate!
@@ardeleanuradu Correct!
I'm becoming a really big fan of this channel, i'm an intermediate WC practicioner and this content is gold
@@nathanconstantino7441 🙏🏼
I love to see shared principles from wing chun that exist in other arts, but indifferent manifestations. I think Wing Chun has a lot of influence on other schools outside of China. Shared roots
Keep up the good work, WC Brother. Kindly regards from a WC Creator from Germany! 😃💫🫶🏻 Dom
Thank you and greetings to Germany!
great explanation & application of wing chun techniques
So, so very helpful! Such a clear and full explanation of Wing Chun principles. I hope your students are very aware of how fortunate they are to train with you. Keep the great material coming. Thanks so much.
Thank you! Much appreciated.
Another amazing explanation of bong sau and showing what bong sau and the difference between the elbow parry from boxing and what bong sau is actually used for. Now the difference is very clear! Thank you again Sifu!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This concept “early, on-time, late” is so unique that I knew intuitively but never was explained in detail and the variation of approach. The approach distinction and differentiation to WC approach to skill development is so unique and I couldn’t agree with Guro Ilan more! Your striking Sifu but it doesn’t feel like striking it’s feels like some grappling energy when you strike. Very unique and r amazing!
Thank you!
Gotta say I am so glad to have these videos in my life right now. Your videos are so incredible helpful and inspirational. Also always great to see u doing content with Ilan! thanks so much, really appreciate it
Thank you!
As a long time wing Chun practitioner (and also also a long time practitioner of other styles, including my onw style), I never liked the square stance, I don't feel safe in this stance, because I'm a natural sideways stance and 45 degree stance guy, that's how I got used to before coming to wing Chun. But I can still use wing Chun effectively even doing it in the wrong stances, because I fight with shoes (classic shoes hurt bones), and I also use the principle as you described "soon, on time, late" I use this for so long, and I also use distance control...i never let the opponent approach too much, and when that happens I react in the way you already know. I also use kicks and knees all the time, even when using hands I use low kicks and knees every second, wich is a thing I never saw anyone doing it. Thank you for showing the Leung Ting way of wing Chun (or should I say wing Tsung) , real wing Chun done well.
Thank you! Glad you like it.
Good stuff. Only about the turning. I understand your point from the way you teach (3 timing points). But for instance WSL turns on the heels / closes the feet not to make distance to the opponent bigger. Hence he wants to angle in and keep the preasure on. Different approach. There is an old video of him explaining on youtube.
Another amazing video.
Excellent video gentlemen, a pleasure to watch 🙏
super video, puno objašnjenja o pravilnom i ne pravilnom...a i dobio sam odgovor na pitanje iz nekog prethodnog videa. Hvala Sifu Miloš i Ilan, vi niste majstori vi ste umetnici. 👌🙏💪🦸
Puno hvala i srdačan pozdrav
Keep uploading more info very good
Wow man this was so good! Thank you! Man I’ve been doing my WC so wrong! I’m gonna practice more! Looking forward to making it down there, just working on getting my schedule together for a week down there!
Thank you! You are always welcome
So many things to comment about! I just love your content man.. I was a little doubtful about starting a fight in ymthe Kim yeung ma stance, tho it's obviously well-balanced position, but I feel way too rooted. Besides that, many ppl, even WC practitioners, forget it's all about fighting. I just love this approach you present of going forward with an attack. Great content! Pls expand on footwork
Thank you!
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Boxing although is a martial art is often called a science to me Wing Chun is the science of kung fu
Great!
Another great video I do enjoy them and find them very informative. It's good to hear a different opinion but I do have to correct you on your description of turn on the heels. I'm not going to argue about which is better or worse and get into all that but correct you on the way "we" turn on our heels. Our stance isn't as wide as the one you demonstrated before turning on your heels. Our stance is the same as the withe of our shoulders so when we turn our knee doesn't straighten as you claim it would also we do no bounce up and down. Our knees stay the same as SLT this, with the lead leg knee turn in slightly (something Bruce Lee took from Wing Chun amongst other things as we know) gives us good protection for the front and the side is protected by the rear knee/leg like yours. The back is kept straight and upright for the right alignment to of cause. The reason for turning on the heels is not only because it keeps you firmly on the ground at all times for whenever you take on your opponents force (not possible if you turn on your toes) but also by moving the weight over the leg you get a better angle for your counter attack. You say you pivot on the centre of you feet but that would mean you toes and heels would move in opposite directions simultaneously which I think is impossible because your weight (your leg) is not in the centre of your instep, it's in you heel (as human beings) and can be moved to the toes. Watching you turn look like "to me" your moving on your toes because your heels move separately from your toes. I find a good test is to have someone holding out their fist in front of your nose. You do your turn and see how much the fist would miss you by. I love your videos but I don't like the way you say other WC is wrong insinuating only you are right
@@ninjafeet7915 Thank you for your comment and your honesty.
I will make a couple of more videos for this matter. I came across a lot WC practitioners the last 32 years, but only 1-2% of them were able to present our style properly and to fight with it. The vast majority of the WC practitioners are way too much in love with Chi-Sao and techniques instead of sweating and being exhausted from hard practice and hurtful lessons.
I say it regardless of the WC lineage. Especially in Germany I am well known for my honesty and that I am always ready to prove everything I say. Yes, WC is one of the most sophisticated martial arts out there with one of the highest standards of logic and physiognomy, but our style has too much bad representatives that give the WC style a bad reputation.
I know that I might sound very harsh in some ways of my opinions, but I compared various other WC styles to my lineage and I saw the difference in practical application, physiognomy and execution. I know that our channel is pretty new but not my experience and knowledge. I still train 2-3 hours for myself or with good friends of mine of other styles, every day and teach 3-5 hours 5 days a week. That’s where my experience and knowledge comes from. But of course I agree with you that the practitioner makes it work and not only the system itself.
God bless you and all the best for your WC practice.
Great video! What amazes me about wing chun. Is there are endless it seems wing chun styles that use the same names but look completely different.
Επιτέλους ένας sifu του leung Ting που εξηγεί τις βασικές θεωρίες, όταν όλοι οι άλλοι τις έχουν μυστικές ή θέλουν να τους πληρώσεις πιο πολλά χρήματα 👏👏👏👍👍👍
Thank you. Keeping so called secrets is stupid, if you really love your style and want to spread it. Knowledge without practice is riding a dead horse
Ihre Videos sind wie immer ein Genuss !! Top !! Könnten Sie vielleicht in naher Zukunft ein Video über die SNT Form machen ? Das wäre sehr interessant ! Viele Grüße.
Vielen Dank! Ja, ss wird eins kommen.
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@@leonardocaprisi1123 Vielen Dank!
Sifu , what did you do to Ilan’s knee!?
😂
It wasn´t me. 😉 This was to make me look tough😄😉
When you stand in the goat clamping stance, wont you lose lateral stability or mobility?
I dont think it hurts to have one leg slightly forward. Its comfortable and you can stand/move well.
No, I dont´t. You have to understand the mechanic behind the YEE GEE KIM YEUNG MA, otherwise you are trolled like the majority of WC practitioners. And a big fundemental misconception is, to stand still while someone is attacking you.
I would like to see the turning in the grass
Works as easy as on the floor in the school.
The name fist fencing for boxing has nothing to do with fencing footwork.
How can you expect to perform that sliding, flat rotation of the feet outside of a smooth training hall? If the ground is uneven, then you'll get stuck mid rotation - which will likely be very bad!
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It works everywhere. Practise it on all surfaces and it will work.
@@MYVLMA I can't see how. If you're on a paving stone in the street for example, and you try to rotate the foot flat across the gap to the next one, and it happens to be sticking up 3/4 inch, then you won't know about that until you come to a dead stop. You can't feel it until it happens and you're not going to visually monitor every bump and crevice on the ground in the middle of a fight.
@@robertbrown1778 You should see it like when you are running and the surface changes. Our body has the great God given capability to adjust all of our joints and movements even before we recognize them. Don´t theorize too much. Just go out and practice, practice practice
You were student of Dai Sifu Emin?
No, never. I only attended some of his seminars.
Man I love this channel, but there are some serious clowns out there calling this whole thing bullshido lol haters be haters based on no experience. They should at the very least post their "proof of understanding" on their channel or at least link the video to prove their point. Sifu, just continue posting your stuff, these clowns will never prove anything and they'll just keep yapping like morons until they get smacked in the face. The typical fight will not have ppl with gear on them on average, but someone here in this comment section truly believes that lmao.
@@s1ked_416 Thank you for your comment. Much appreciated!
Many Haaqa styles use the same concept
That's a lot of nothingburger
Complete bullshido. Try getting that close "invading space" against a wrestler you getting a single leg or double leg take down coming immediately
I think what you aren’t realizing is that when a (good) WC Stylist crowds your wrestlers space there are fingers thrusting into the wrestlers eyes or punches overwhelming their visual senses. You can’t underestimate the power of eye strikes at the same time you can’t discount a persons level or pain tolerance and emotional commitment. It’s an ANY GIVEN SUNDAY situation.
@@JeffForsyth how tf you gonna poke a wrestlers eyes when they have a low stance ready to pounce for the double leg or single leg lollll... your defense of this trash "martial art" is hilarious
@@JeffForsyth and wing chun striking is weak af no power and anyone can poke someone in the eye... thats nothing special
@@Johnacegaynor one of the drills I was working the other day alone was having a person come in for a double leg, takedown and collapsing on their body. It’s an hour of jiu-jitsu that I take before the Wang Chung class I take now. So your criticism of the weak punching of wing Chun is, not invalid if the punches are not given with proper structure. Given with proper structure, they can be very effective. But even without proper structure, what happens is an ABC attack by combination. You deliver the chain punches you overwhelmed someone’s visual senses and then you deliver the boxing moves. My first art back in the 90s was a sport blend of taekwondo Campo and modern boxing. It was a pretty effective style. it was JKD and wing Chun. Now I’m back to doing Campo Karate and wing Chun. So chain punches and the straight blast are so effective that I only use them when I have a real problem sparring match. But I do not discount the validity of wrestling and jujutsu for takedowns. That’s why I was doing the drills. We do the other day.
@@Johnacegaynorwatch the INSIDE FIGHTING episode on WC. Getting his perspective was very cool. I don’t get offended when someone calls WC a trash art because of all the stuff I’ve done and do. That being said having done the other stuff I have perspective on what WC can bring to the table as attributes. To me personally the real thing that makes wing Chung work is not. Hey this is a poke to the eye. It’s the contact reaction drills. That you when you feel a bridge without thinking, you know smash this arm out of the way or control it and retake space. It becomes second nature quite quickly really It’s like the training drills in Kali. your instinctive reaction takes over where there is no thought you feel the pressure you adapt to the pressure and you didn’t even think about it. Then the openings are created and transition to whatever you like. I’ve always said it’s kind of like having a cheat code in a video game. Things get a little bit bit tough and I overwhelmed somebody with chain punches regain space and now I’ve got them.
Do some actual contact sparring with mma gloves and see how this works... film it for everyone against a trained fighter
Why the gloves?
@@gThomasHagg for his safety? Yall act like wing chun is this powerful martial art that can hurt people you throw arm punches that are weak. Terrible stance allows no mobility. If you go no gloves with a thai fighter or boxer you could die lmfao...
@@Johnacegaynor You guys love nagging in the comment section, always assuming [insert your hate object of choice] is about movie fighting or training for top level UFC fights... This is about general fighting and self defense. It's not sport. You want to become a pro fighter? Watch someone who knows how to utilize parts of Wing Chun under actual MMA rules.
@@gThomasHagg youd be better off taking a womans self defense course than this useless shit.
@@gThomasHagg nobody has been able to dominate the ufc using whing chun lol
SPAR YOU FOOLS!!
@@Dan0rioN 🤣 your are clueless! Didn't you whatch the whole video?! He already explained why this tecnics can't be sparred, otherwise one would be in the hospitality l. Why don't you go there and sparr yourself 😂?
@@sergiobatista2272 Yeah BS Sounds like something they would say in Aikido lol..
NEWS FLASH... ALL COMBAT CAN BE SPARRED IN GEAR SO DROP THE LAME EXCUSES!!!
I DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE GUYS WITHOUT SEEING IT IN PRACTICE!!
THIS GUY SAID HE WOULD FIGHT.. LINE THE DAMN FIGHT UP STOP DILLY DALLYING AROUND LIKE THESE GOOFY INTROS
@@Dan0rioN Go fight him. Real life scenarios are not the UFC. MMA rules are "bullshido".
@@gThomasHagg Spar gear does not = Rules.. More stupidity please kid
When I trained in WT, the instructors were more than happy to accommodate visitors who wanted to prove WT didn’t work. They usually joined afterwards