Hi, atheist here. In a universe where gods openly interact with the world (divine magic, etc), the logical conclusion would be to believe in their existence Just saiyan
It would have made more sense if he had played his character as an alatrist, somebody who believes in divine powers but chooses not to worship them. Or a misotheist, somebody who takes it a step further by actively hating a god or gods that they still believe in. There are things to be done with such a character and exploring their outlook and reasons for feeling that way. Maybe they are adventuring to spite the gods and prove mortals can handle everything better on their own. Maybe they are just doing their own thing and don't care what the gods are doing.
In pathfinder, the souls of athiests are fed to the god of the endtimes to keep him from crushing the Boneyard, where souls go to be judged. in Forgotten realms, those who deny the painfully obvious existence of the 70-80 gods in that game are cast into what's basically the source wall, and don't get an afterlife. In D&D and pathfinder you can even become a god. The gods talk to their followers. its like denying the existance of the sun while living in the desert.
This is why I always have my characters have a minor attraction to deities because if they are going to die at least get an afterlife. And if the character is evil make them so evil that they become soul slugs and become pretty strong devils. Will they forget their past? Yeah but at least they're somewhat living instead of doing nothing!
Its not just denying the existeance, not worshipping any god also sends you there. So you could fully believe they exist, but just be undecided and sent straight to the wall.
Well, atheism in the Forgotten Realms setting I've heard gets your soul fed to some evil abomination (forgot the name) that will destroy everything once they feed on enough souls, so this presents an interesting dilemma that could be explored for an atheistic character if they find out.
I'm no therapist or psychologist, but it really sounds like the girl from the "is in love with her PC" has some psychological issues and needs some help. No one should be obsessed with one thing.
first story: my friend played an athirst character who viewed the gods as very powerful outsider type beings/monsters. it was a fun dynamic since half the party was religious, the other half wanted to be gods, and then there was the monster hunter who would 100% fight a god because "its just another monster". he even met the gods towards the end of the campaign and got power from them, but it was never "the gods aren't real, they aren't powerful" it was always "these beings/monsters are so powerful they can do things people would consider godly." elizander mcgee was chill. last story: ego maniac
This is actually a decent character concept. I assume that he would be mature enough not to make a scene when his party was at a temple or the like to do something?
@@Mgauge yeah, the most of a "scene" he made was when his fellow monster hunters were contemplating killing off a few "gods" since they seemed to be the root of a issue more and more of the world was having. i only consider this a scene cause my zealot of a bard was invisible trying to ask "but not mine, right?" and it was like that anakin and padme scene, so even then it was more of my character making a scene XD
I think the dumbest part about the atheist story is that there are _so many_ interesting ways to make a character who functions similarly enough to an atheist. "Gods exist, I just don't _like_ any of them." "I believe in gods the same way you might believe in a table." "I don't trust anyone with a lot of power, least of all those with an unlimited amount of it." "Gods are inherently immoral for demanding worship and servitude in order to get access to the power to feed people in a world where people die of starvation." "We are mice running in a labyrinth, watched over by things that can kill us on a whim. I don't think my life is made better by focusing on that." "If I need to prove my worth to gain respect from the gods, they need to do the same to me." "A person worshipping a god is no different from a kobold worshipping a dragon, we just think they are because we can kill the dragon." "I don't mind people's individual faiths if their lives have been changed by gods, but I don't approve of the vanity of building organised religion around it." "I know that something powerful exists, I know that this being called [god name here] exists, but they're just warlock patrons but with more power; I see no more reason to worship them more than I worship an archfey." "How can you know a god won't change like people do?" "Illusions and trickery are commonplace, so how can you ever truly know your prayers are answered by who you think they're being answered by?" "I respect the acts of gods about as much as I respect the weather outside, and in both cases, I prefer to guard myself against the effects in case they change for the worse." Whether these statements are factual or not, or even necessarily smart or not, they're _plausible_ beliefs to have developed by a person with a bitter attitude towards the divine, and so much more interesting than "la la, nothing's real."
That’s what really bugs me about “Mark”, I’ve seen what is effectively an atheist in these settings done well before, but instead of being creative and making a reason for his character’s views that can be expanded on in the story, he threw a temper tantrum about his real life militant atheism not being reflected in a setting where gods are an undeniable fact.
@@Mgauge I recently got into TTRPGs by playing Pathfider with some folks on discord, one of them plays a Cleric. At some point, his character tries to do a prayer and I comment "That's a pretty terrible player", he then laughs, saying "I'm an atheist, I don't know how to do this". Some of the most fun moments in the campaign so far came from his character.
Mark: Gods don’t exist. The Warlock: Interesting. Actually it would be funny to make a warlock that doesn’t believe in gods and just thinks he’s an amazing Sorcerer. Because their patron wants to completely shatter their perception of reality.
That would be funny…but they’d probably end up with self esteem issues played correctly, as they just don’t have the mystical mojo to cast as many spells as a Sorcerer, so would pretty naturally develop an inferiority complex. “Why can’t I cast as much as that other Sorcerer? What is wrong with me? Am I *that* weak?”
Though…a Warlock with a Fae, Genie, or Undead Patron wouldn’t *need* to believe in gods…those aren’t gods, those are just beings with power they can share.
Ah classic, the whole "I'm not evil, I'm chaotic neutral, yeah I burn down churches of good aligned gods after locking their priests inside, and I exclusively eat babies, but you said I can't bring evil characters to the campaign, so my character's chaotic neutral, maybe even chaotic good" thing is still a thing xD
When Tracy "Ice-T" Marrow was offered the role of Odafin Tutuola on Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, there was a point when the producers sat him down and were like, 'look, you don't like the police, right? But you're willing to agree that there are some good cops, and we need them? Play Fin as what a cop *should* be.' The militant atheist's GM needed to have a similar talk with them, IMO - i.e., _what would a community's shared beliefs and values look like in the absence of political corruption_
If I ever get into D&D, I'd want to be a comical, abstinent, holy paladin who saw cheese as the holiest of all foods and carried some everywhere he went.
... Why does that sound like Dragon Age's Alistair with extra steps? Lmfao I'm kidding, I'm kidding. That honestly sounds like an amusing character build.
0:55 He kills people, considers it a game, and may attempt to kill the party if they don’t play games with him. That is almost the definition of chaotic evil. Chaotic neutral. Would be a hired assassin, that only kills people simply because they were hired to do it. 3:35 There’s a huge difference between real life religions, and D&D religions. D&D religions have gods and minor deities The come down and talk to clerics and paladins on the regular, in fact they have special abilities that allow them to call their god on the regular to come down and help them. Meaning that any character who decides it’s their holy mission to destroy every single church of every religion may just find themselves on the shit list of ALL of them. ( ego maniac)
The definition of Chaotic neutral is someone who lives by their own heart regardless of other's morals or rules, taking their own freedom first, good and evil second. Thats why murderhobos dont need to take chaotic evil and still do whatever, which is a problem in itself Also it never stated in the first 50 seconds that they considered killing people a game, what you are changing the wording for is the willingness to play games with people that could end up with either party dead, this can include russian roulette, who can throw a knife closest to the other's head without drawing blood and many more dangerous/possibly death enducing game. And OP is wrong actually when they say "definition of evil doesnt change on character to character bases". You can make a traditional holier than thou "i'll smite thee scum!" Chaotic good character while still committing crime by having it in your backstory that you were told bad is good and good is bad from the day you were born. Those kinds of morality paradox characters are interesting but always need to be accepted by dm's ofc.
@@aronsvanlaugsson5338 That only works to a point. Once you become as indiscriminately murderous as this character seems to be, the only way to still be neutral is if they were incapable of understanding the concept of morality. CN does not translate to “do whatever I want” like some murderhobos think.
Most hired assassins would be lawful evil or lawful neutral because they work for whoever hired them and usually have a professional code of honor when eliminating their target. Lawful evil might work for a criminal organization while a lawful neutral assassin would act as a spymaster or other sanctioned spy. Chaotic Neutral characters usually follow their own whims and don't like submitting to authority very much. They often lack the kind of professionalism that comes with being an assassin.
@@funnyblog100 I think you’re right on that. Chaotic neutral is a little difficult to quantify but I think we can all agree that guys character concept was not chaotic neutral.
@@Mgauge But that's exactly how they described their character tho? "He doesnt think he's evil, and are trying to be good" that already indicates their character doesnt understand morality properly. And sadly CN does in fact mean i can do whatever whenever, which part of "me first, morality second" did you miss? Thats the exact reason why murderhobos take it, because they can help the old lady across the street without an evil agenda as well as murder her if she wont compensate for it.
I hope the DM's plan for the atheist story was to turn the game in meeting a bunch of gods face to face. "Oh i don't exist ?" But yeah leaving also works
Someone said sometime that atheists in DnD is the Faerun equivalent to Flat-Earthers. I find that comparison endlessly comical and exact, and there's few ways to rip me out of the immersion DnD's world offers than to ignore that world's reality.
@@brendancoulter5761 If such a word would exist in a world like Dnd, it would clearly have a different meaning. I can imagine a Atheist in such world as someone who know that gods exist but would prefer to have nothing to do with them and, in more extrem case, would think that the world would be better without them (And there might be some arguments for that point of view when you see every problems that battles between gods can create...)
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 I think a character who dislikes or distrusts the gods is perfectly viable, although hostility to religion would usually be restrained because pissing off the healer never makes sense. I would say unless the DM decides to make it the focus of the campaign, a rebellion against the gods should be assumed to be a fools dream by any player. It should be as impossible as a rebellion against Newtonian physics is in our world. If there were a character in dnd who legitimate disbelieved the existence of the gods, when undeniably proof existed, they would likely be treated like we treat flat earthers at best or as total pariahs at worst.
@@brendancoulter5761 you are completly right. that why I have modified the definition of atheist in the Dnd world. Except rare worlds like Eberron, you just CAN'T deny the existence of the gods and trying to do so would be fruitless.
"My character doesn't believe in goblins no matter how much evidence you present to me. I don't care about the rulebook even this goblin here standing in front of me I completely deny that he is real. What is he gunna do, stab me?" -last words of man stabbed by goblin
Kind of difficult to have an atheist stance in a game like D&D when the gods have been shown to not only be real, but *active*. Like you could straight up look at and talk to Selune if you prayed and were loyal enough.
In the Pathfinder universe, there's an entire country that's made up of and ruled my atheists. It's not that they don't believe they exist, they know that they do. It's just that they hate every single one of them and refuse to worship them. Somehow, this country has been smitten from hell and back
@@Tytoalba777 but that’s not atheism by definition an atheist is someone who don’t believe in any gods existence. Someone who thinks they exist but hate them is still a theist.
@@oliviawilliams6204 Not true. From Stanford.edu: global atheism: there are no beings worthy of religious worship. There are variations of Atheism that believe that there are gods, just none worth worshipping. Early Buddhism, immediately after the death of the Buddha, was like this. They believe that their were gods, but none to bother with. Early "true" Buddhism, as a result, is often labeled an "Atheistic Religion." edit: Oh, also, by Pathfinder very own in-world definition, that is, in fact, atheism pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Atheism
@@Tytoalba777 Oxford dictionary The theory or belief that God does not exist. The word comes (in the late 16th century, via French) from Greek atheos, from a- 'without' + theos 'god'. From: atheism in The Oxford Dictionary of Phrase and Fable » Subjects: Religion.
Selune even ran an inn for a while in Waterdeep because it brought her closer to her worshipers. This was in the Forgotten Realms comic books from the 80s.
Story 1: You know what would be funny, if Mark was playing in a Theros campaign. It's like living in ancient Greek Mythology where the gods are very real and are way more direct in the affairs of mortals. So if he bad mouths a Goddess like Nylea (Goddess of the Hunt, like Artemis) that player is turned into a deer and better run cuz he's now hunted by amazonian hunters. This could legitimately happen in this setting as its based on the that mythology where the moral of the story is "Don't pi*s off the Gods!" Story 2: if I was the cleric I think that pc lost their healing privileges and the ego.... Oof its as big as a Storm Giant
Ngl, that does sound like a good character idea, or at least a fun joke character idea: *The Gods do some crazy world bending stuff* PC: "Psssshhh, you can see that any day, doesn't mean Gods exist."
@@TheDukeofCheese12 The problem is, as a jokey concept it's pretty much a dead horse in the German TDE community. Everyone is just annoyed, especially since these so called "enlightened" atheist characters are usually played as and often by smug tossers.
In the Planescape D&D setting, there's a fascinating group of people known as the Athar, who believe that the gods are not worthy of worship and see all gods as participating in, effectively, a cosmic protection racket that keeps mortals from accessing the true source of divinity. It's an interesting take on how one would handle hating the gods/organized religion in a setting where gods explicitly exist, and is a far more engaging philosophy than blind god-bashing.
About Mark: I am also an atheist. However, my characters always seem to end up being religious, without fail. This might be because they live Ina fantasy world where gods exist and can and will regularly prove their existence. I'm just counting my D&D characters exclusively for this example, so I'll put it this way: My tiefling paladin has a constant routine which religion is woven into. My elven ranger does not have one of those but still leaves an offering at every shrine he comes across. My halfling druid at the very least respects the gods and their influence. The elven sorcerer who doesn't believe in gods or magic is explicitly stated to be always high as a kite and is also a joke character. It's fantasy, gods exist in that world, just roll with it man.
In my experience, people who aren't particularly religious have the best time playing religious characters, because they have no actual problem pretending to worship a deity, as opposed to, say, a devout Christian might have a harder time playing a character that actively worships a God they personally don't believe in. Also, technically speaking, it is entirely possible to create a character who STARTS as an atheist if they have lived in isolation/an isolated community where clerics, paladins, and other divinely empower individuals don't live. They would never have encountered anyone who had powers granted by divine authority, so they could easily just not believe in gods. However, the second that guy gets brought back from the dead by the divine grace of the Clerics Revivify, his tune is going to change real quick.
@@theyondant6088 Weird thought, but what you had a character who believed that all divine magic was actually just arcane magic. The character wouldn't know how to use magic himself, so he wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and he would just think that all religions are scams run by wizards and sorcerers. Might make for an interesting character.
This Mark guy sounds like a complete zealot. Like those crazy people convinced that DnD would lead their kids to Satan, but from the opposite extreme. Seriously people, if the concept of a fantasy religion offends you so much, maybe you shouldn’t pick a game where clerics and paladins are basic classes with real magical powers from their deities.
Mark: Gods don’t exist! Mark, later: Hey! Someone heal me! Cleric: Wait until later so I can patch you up with a healing kit. It’s too bad I don’t have a way to heal you instantly.
The sad thing is all you have to do make a hardcore atheist work in D&D is just have them say "nah, there probably just unimaginably powerful magic users, down with the system! Those smug bastards can probably see the damn future but they'll rue the day they decided to underestimated us common folk! I mean isn't it there fault things are this much of a mess? If everyone would just deny them that sweet sweet prayer juice they'd be in for a real reckoning dammit!"
I'm an artist and I wish I'd been able to go to art school, so the idea of someone wanting to drop out because they only wanted to draw one character is hilarious to me.
Recipe for all D&D horror stories LACK some if not all these ingredients to varying degrees: Clear expectations (at session 0) Clarity (in player/DM communication) Consent (in-game and/or OoC)
I can get going to art school to get better at art so you can *draw* the character better, but exclusively drawing that character? Frankly a little creepy
Oh boy. I got the “my character isn’t evil, they are just murdering this person because it suits their interests” response before…and that’s always a concerning one.
I have a character that began the campaign denying the existence of gods. She's now traveling with two paladins, two clerics, and has had multiple conversations with multiple gods. It's been really fun portraying her internal screaming as she tries to reconcile her beliefs with reality. She's also the character that prompted me to learn to draw humans, I had such a clear image of her in my mind and it suddenly became clear that the party had a completely different image. Time to learn to draw. LOL
So.. Mark in story one has never even met an atheist, I'll wager. "I'll deny every god, I'd rather live in denial and reject all forms of evidence." sounds like Mark's preacher has been telling him about those silly atheists, again.
@@Astropeleki and my comment was doubting that, because thats not what athiests are, thats what thiests think athiests are. 'I am not convinced of your claim.' Isn't 'I will deny all evidence because I don't want to believe.'
@@rawr70101 you'd be surprised man, in every religion, or lack there of, there are thoughtless zealots, people will always run the spectrum, atheists are not immune from it.
@@lima-3284 Athiesm isn't a religion, but there's all types of people for sure, for many reasons. Extremist athiesm isn't really a thing. 'agressive disbelief', 'I violently don't accept this fairy tale.' Doesn't really translate.
@@rawr70101 hence the "lack there of" and while you might not think a guy like Mark exist, I'm pretty sure I've run into at least one, usually it's not about them being an atheist more so them so he'll bent on rejecting any form of religion in any sort of context, people can be ill adjusted to social situations.
Ah, the people who to expensive schools with no solid plan... a friend of a friend went to business school cause it was trendy and cool. Failed his first year, 10k USD down the drain. Parents decided to cut the costs and had him come back home. He finished a cheaper trade school and found a job in tourism, is now financially independent.
alignment isn't something you choose for yourself it's an unbiased decision of the players and/or the dm based on their motivations, methods and deeds like if you save a kingdom for purely monetary gains and some fame and influence, you're probably not good if you save a kingdom by overthrowing the evil king and while keeping civilian casualties at a minimum, you might be good if you destroy the capital with magic, terrorism, plagues or similar means to revenge your lost ones and kill the evil king, you might have "saved" the kingdom by ending the tyranny of an evil king, but you're probably evil in VERY simplified terms a character killing innocents because they refused his selfish desires for games and fun definitely is evil, and probably chaotic
Story 1- my friends might best be described as agnostic (heck, one of them is an actual RL druid, legally licensed by his home state and everything- he can even perform marriages). Despite this my friend that created our campaign world also gave it a quite detailed history, including that of all of the gods involved in its creation and that of the PC races. In other words, Steve needs to chill. Story 2- Wow- feels like OP made a left turn into The Twilight Zone. This person needs help- and soon... Also, have I mentioned that my second ever D&D character was/is a Ranger? Story 3- The WTF factor is over 9000 here- that poor kid. Proof once more that some people should have to be examined before being allowed to have children...
*Story 0* _(short story at start of video.)_ I too was thinking "this some edgy teenager" before you dropped the ball that this was a 30 year old man... Yikes. You can't say "I murder people entirely for my enjoyment" and then say you're not evil. You're either evil or not in a sound state of mind, which means how you view yourself is incorrect. Also yeah how do you fit whole human hearts in your pocket? *Story 1.* Ugh I hate people who argue about religion in a fantasy universe. I haven't heard religion stories on this channel before but I've heard other D&D story channels cover them. You're welcome to not believe in gods but don't be a dick about it, and don't do it to harass other players. Yeesh. *Story 2.* Uh... Well that's new. Never seen folks like this before, and I own a Tumblr account! Honestly I think this girl genuinely has some mental health problems and trouble separating fiction from reality. *Story 3.* Uhhhhh... someone maybe tell CPS? Not that I think they're bad parents; just if they're _throwing stuff_ when they fight that's probably not a safe place for kids.
My most "Evil" character is a sociopath who tries to be as smart as little finger but deep down knows he is subpar at best. With his accomplishments only being pure luck and his purpose of becoming a chef to make a cookbook being an act of desperation for realizing the only sense of purpose he had was lost after telling his family he didnt want to become a wizard like them and that becoming a ranger was just an excuse for him to let out his frustration on wildlife.
I don't know how many hearts to edge CN carries in his pockets, but my sweatpants's pockets fit 4 of the size of mine easily (normally your close fist is approximately the same size of your heart) and I'm a big dude.
It makes a lot more sense in the real world to be an atheist, but when gods are so obviously real and so obviously work can you can SEE and TALK to them IN PERSON, it's stilly to be one in-game.
The way I see it, atheists in this setting would be more someone who doesn't want to be beholden to a god rather than a non believer. If you get a chance, look up Pathfinders Rahadoum.
God's and specifically the lore around the Pantheon of the 12 main gods are what makes DSA/the dark eye so charming and interesting. While it's hillarious for a character to go full atheist on real existing deities(I can only image he'll neve be able to sleep or sleep 'with' someone else again, as the least of his problems), it does rob the world of its Charme to just resent a major part of aventurian culture (Aventuria is the main continent)
I had a character who *detested* the gods for backstory reasons, everyone was surprised when he became best friends with the paladin, especially when it was revealed that *his* god was the source of said hatred. way he saw it, while he hated the gods, he had no reason to hate this particular follower, although he was slow to trust him
Okay, so that first story...I'm an atheist, and I HATE it when what I'm about to say is said about us because 99% of the time it's utter balogna, but...That guy was doing exactly what he hates religious people for. The guy was a zealot and beyond all reason, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. The problem with religious thinking is that there is no demonstrable reason to believe what you believe, and guess what? He was engaging in religious thinking by that definition. In fact, he was going further than most religious people do: They only believe things without evidence that can't be proved or disproved one way or another. What he was doing was believing something that had concrete, blatant evidence against it, denying reality itself.
@@kapitan19969838 I just think you've been indoctrinated since an early age and will find any excuse to believe something that is self-contradictory, especially because it's a huge part of your social circles. I don't like what religion has done to you, and I want you to get better.
@@SamWeltzin That's quite arrogant of You to assume such things, wouldn't You say? After all, You don't know me at all, You don't know the circumstances of my faith nor how much it means to me, hell You didn't even care enough to ask what exactly I believe in and yet You act like You know best what's good for me
@@kapitan19969838 Do you believe in things that cannot be falsified? Because that's all I'm commenting on. I don't know anything else about you, but you said "us," so I assumed you were someone I was talking about. Was I wrong? Do you not believe religiously?
Definitely feel the whole Mark story, all Clerics, Warlocks, some Paladins, any and all Asamairs are just staring at themselves in horror "if gods aren't real how do I do all my cool stuff?" Fyi this a joke and honestly I now want to play a Cleric who believes his god is an Axe, and that's it. Lol
I usually play characters that are rather neutral towards the gods. They don´t follow any of them but they also don´t deny they exist because that would be like saying dragons don´t exist.
If I where in a game with a person like that my reaction would be to make a character who's a full on anarchist that thinks all forms of humanoid hierarchical structure is a scam by the powerful to keep everyone else down, any follower of any god that dare demand there followers do anything beyond what there instincts as a decently socialized humanoid demand included. They wouldn't cause trouble the VAST majority of the time but they'd have there molotov cocktails and there arguments on how humans just become shitty when they hold to much power over one another no matter there belief system ready to go for whenever there needed!
I've had to deal with an egomaniac in D&D myself. He would do all kinds of really stupid things most of the time. Frequently blamed others for his failings. And more than once tried to force ship my characters, who were all women with his. Regardless of their stated orientation. Ultimately this led to a longs string of events culminating in what I call, "The White Dragon Incident". We eventually just had to boot him, and that after the DM my friend Dave started actively targeting him for how many times he'd ruined the game for us. Not the best response I know, but Dave had to be pushed to get there. We really should have given him the boot sooner.
You can have a big pocket and when you dry them out like beef jerky they take up a lot less room. Don't look at me like that, I just know these things. You don't have to ask why.
"How the hell does someone fit multiple human hearts in their pocket? It's not an easy feat" Crispy sounds like he has experience collecting human hearts lol which is even funnier to me bc he's ace lol
If i ever had to relay in that situation, I'd just relay complete nonsense so the one whispering in my ear would say "I did not say that!" so i can clap back with "Then say it to them yourself!"
The opposite of the religious Karen? The Atheist Karen? Interesting. As a religious guy, it's oddly satisfying to see the opposite. But still would rather have neither.
It amounts to the same thing: someone justifying being a selfish jerk with their beliefs. See how he suddenly turned being denied his idea in a game into a “noble” crusade against all religion? It was no different than the ones he claims to hate.
I think it's perfectly sensible to call PC in first story Chaotic Neutral (or maybe True Neutral), as long as they didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong. Don't get me wrong, though, that kind of character still needs a shit ton of great roleplay to be even remotely viable.
Atheist here. Mark is just hopeless. The gods are obviously real in that universe. I rarely even play anything in a fantasy setting who doesn't have *some* sort of religious leaning on a very real deity, because it's escapism. Being different from reality is part of the charm.
Why is it when a player is it acting like a complete and utter douche, and they get called out on it, they so often default to, "you hate may character!" I've dealt with it enough times IRL to actually get to tell someone once, " actually it's because I don't like you" It went about as well as one would think but it actually felt really good. It's not actually a crime to dislike someone (especially if they're going out of their way to be difficult). The world is not a giant hug box, we are not required to all like each other, the best we have the right to hope for is a little common courtesy.
That last one... jeez! No thank you! 1. If you're the type of person who throws things when you argue with a loved one. You have issues. Seek therapy. 2. If you're so immature that you'll give your significant other the silent treatment, especially in front of company and thus dragging others into your stupid drama, you shouldn't be married. You clearly have a lot of growing up to do. Seek therapy. 3. If both 1 and 2 describe you, you should not be raising a child! Seriously, Get therapy!! Lots and lots of therapy!
That last story I think that the huge red flag of the married couple were having a fight before the game that lasted over an hour should have been enough to get the player to nope out of that situation.
God, the atheist story reminds me of a 'friend' from right after high school. He approached atheism with the same maturity as the console wars. I'm an atheist too, but I'm chill as long as people don't _force their views on other people._ (Theological discussions with my partner are legit beautiful.) Y'know, _like he was doing._ He insisted that being an atheist made him better than all those 'fanatical' religious people...and then found secular causes for his fanaticism like Sony, shit-talked his 'friends' for playing other game consoles, and hated all the same people the church tells people to hate for all the same bogus reasons. Eventually he called _me_ an extremist because I...got mad, when he _laughed_ about LGBT people getting hate-crimed into an early grave...and told him that _I am one._ So are most of my loved ones. There's atheists, and then there's crusaders in little secular hats.
Idk why the phase: "his holy quest to destroy all religions." cracks me up.
Now hold on a minute-
Hi, atheist here. In a universe where gods openly interact with the world (divine magic, etc), the logical conclusion would be to believe in their existence
Just saiyan
It would have made more sense if he had played his character as an alatrist, somebody who believes in divine powers but chooses not to worship them.
Or a misotheist, somebody who takes it a step further by actively hating a god or gods that they still believe in.
There are things to be done with such a character and exploring their outlook and reasons for feeling that way.
Maybe they are adventuring to spite the gods and prove mortals can handle everything better on their own.
Maybe they are just doing their own thing and don't care what the gods are doing.
You mean Saiyan God?
Hi, agnostic here. I concur!
In pathfinder, the souls of athiests are fed to the god of the endtimes to keep him from crushing the Boneyard, where souls go to be judged.
in Forgotten realms, those who deny the painfully obvious existence of the 70-80 gods in that game are cast into what's basically the source wall, and don't get an afterlife.
In D&D and pathfinder you can even become a god. The gods talk to their followers. its like denying the existance of the sun while living in the desert.
This is why I always have my characters have a minor attraction to deities because if they are going to die at least get an afterlife. And if the character is evil make them so evil that they become soul slugs and become pretty strong devils. Will they forget their past? Yeah but at least they're somewhat living instead of doing nothing!
Or denying the existence of sand while living in the desert
Its not just denying the existeance, not worshipping any god also sends you there. So you could fully believe they exist, but just be undecided and sent straight to the wall.
Well, atheism in the Forgotten Realms setting I've heard gets your soul fed to some evil abomination (forgot the name) that will destroy everything once they feed on enough souls, so this presents an interesting dilemma that could be explored for an atheistic character if they find out.
I'm no therapist or psychologist, but it really sounds like the girl from the "is in love with her PC" has some psychological issues and needs some help. No one should be obsessed with one thing.
first story: my friend played an athirst character who viewed the gods as very powerful outsider type beings/monsters. it was a fun dynamic since half the party was religious, the other half wanted to be gods, and then there was the monster hunter who would 100% fight a god because "its just another monster". he even met the gods towards the end of the campaign and got power from them, but it was never "the gods aren't real, they aren't powerful" it was always "these beings/monsters are so powerful they can do things people would consider godly." elizander mcgee was chill.
last story: ego maniac
This is actually a decent character concept. I assume that he would be mature enough not to make a scene when his party was at a temple or the like to do something?
That sounds like Sanya from The Dresden Files. He's an agnostic Paladin who wields a holy sword and receives instructions from an archangel.
@@Mgauge yeah, the most of a "scene" he made was when his fellow monster hunters were contemplating killing off a few "gods" since they seemed to be the root of a issue more and more of the world was having. i only consider this a scene cause my zealot of a bard was invisible trying to ask "but not mine, right?" and it was like that anakin and padme scene, so even then it was more of my character making a scene XD
I think the dumbest part about the atheist story is that there are _so many_ interesting ways to make a character who functions similarly enough to an atheist.
"Gods exist, I just don't _like_ any of them."
"I believe in gods the same way you might believe in a table."
"I don't trust anyone with a lot of power, least of all those with an unlimited amount of it."
"Gods are inherently immoral for demanding worship and servitude in order to get access to the power to feed people in a world where people die of starvation."
"We are mice running in a labyrinth, watched over by things that can kill us on a whim. I don't think my life is made better by focusing on that."
"If I need to prove my worth to gain respect from the gods, they need to do the same to me."
"A person worshipping a god is no different from a kobold worshipping a dragon, we just think they are because we can kill the dragon."
"I don't mind people's individual faiths if their lives have been changed by gods, but I don't approve of the vanity of building organised religion around it."
"I know that something powerful exists, I know that this being called [god name here] exists, but they're just warlock patrons but with more power; I see no more reason to worship them more than I worship an archfey."
"How can you know a god won't change like people do?"
"Illusions and trickery are commonplace, so how can you ever truly know your prayers are answered by who you think they're being answered by?"
"I respect the acts of gods about as much as I respect the weather outside, and in both cases, I prefer to guard myself against the effects in case they change for the worse."
Whether these statements are factual or not, or even necessarily smart or not, they're _plausible_ beliefs to have developed by a person with a bitter attitude towards the divine, and so much more interesting than "la la, nothing's real."
That’s what really bugs me about “Mark”, I’ve seen what is effectively an atheist in these settings done well before, but instead of being creative and making a reason for his character’s views that can be expanded on in the story, he threw a temper tantrum about his real life militant atheism not being reflected in a setting where gods are an undeniable fact.
@@Mgauge I recently got into TTRPGs by playing Pathfider with some folks on discord, one of them plays a Cleric. At some point, his character tries to do a prayer and I comment "That's a pretty terrible player", he then laughs, saying "I'm an atheist, I don't know how to do this".
Some of the most fun moments in the campaign so far came from his character.
i literally gave reasons number 1, 4 and 6 for not being religious in a campaing, was well accepted by everyone.
Saving these for future characters concepts
My favorite phrase my friend came up with: "I acknowledge their existence but deny their usefulness"
Mark: Gods don’t exist.
The Warlock: Interesting.
Actually it would be funny to make a warlock that doesn’t believe in gods and just thinks he’s an amazing Sorcerer. Because their patron wants to completely shatter their perception of reality.
That is sadistic and hilarious
That would be funny…but they’d probably end up with self esteem issues played correctly, as they just don’t have the mystical mojo to cast as many spells as a Sorcerer, so would pretty naturally develop an inferiority complex.
“Why can’t I cast as much as that other Sorcerer? What is wrong with me? Am I *that* weak?”
Though…a Warlock with a Fae, Genie, or Undead Patron wouldn’t *need* to believe in gods…those aren’t gods, those are just beings with power they can share.
The cleric next to warlock' totally nodding
Ah classic, the whole "I'm not evil, I'm chaotic neutral, yeah I burn down churches of good aligned gods after locking their priests inside, and I exclusively eat babies, but you said I can't bring evil characters to the campaign, so my character's chaotic neutral, maybe even chaotic good" thing is still a thing xD
You can fit multiple hearts in cargo pants
When Tracy "Ice-T" Marrow was offered the role of Odafin Tutuola on Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, there was a point when the producers sat him down and were like, 'look, you don't like the police, right? But you're willing to agree that there are some good cops, and we need them? Play Fin as what a cop *should* be.'
The militant atheist's GM needed to have a similar talk with them, IMO - i.e., _what would a community's shared beliefs and values look like in the absence of political corruption_
Wait really? Thats honestly cool
If I ever get into D&D, I'd want to be a comical, abstinent, holy paladin who saw cheese as the holiest of all foods and carried some everywhere he went.
... Why does that sound like Dragon Age's Alistair with extra steps? Lmfao
I'm kidding, I'm kidding. That honestly sounds like an amusing character build.
Reminds me of that genuinely good homebrew garlic bread domain for the cleric(i think).
Ah yes here comes the best dnd party ever: The Party Platter
and Swiss as the holiest of all cheeses.
Bilby Buzzbeard, the paladin who loves pasta vibes.
@@feroluceapblackrose9514 exactly what I was thinking!
I can't believe crispy couldn't pay his taxes and lost the tavern. Truly a tragedy
0:55 He kills people, considers it a game, and may attempt to kill the party if they don’t play games with him. That is almost the definition of chaotic evil.
Chaotic neutral. Would be a hired assassin, that only kills people simply because they were hired to do it.
3:35 There’s a huge difference between real life religions, and D&D religions.
D&D religions have gods and minor deities The come down and talk to clerics and paladins on the regular, in fact they have special abilities that allow them to call their god on the regular to come down and help them.
Meaning that any character who decides it’s their holy mission to destroy every single church of every religion may just find themselves on the shit list of ALL of them.
( ego maniac)
The definition of Chaotic neutral is someone who lives by their own heart regardless of other's morals or rules, taking their own freedom first, good and evil second. Thats why murderhobos dont need to take chaotic evil and still do whatever, which is a problem in itself
Also it never stated in the first 50 seconds that they considered killing people a game, what you are changing the wording for is the willingness to play games with people that could end up with either party dead, this can include russian roulette, who can throw a knife closest to the other's head without drawing blood and many more dangerous/possibly death enducing game.
And OP is wrong actually when they say "definition of evil doesnt change on character to character bases". You can make a traditional holier than thou "i'll smite thee scum!" Chaotic good character while still committing crime by having it in your backstory that you were told bad is good and good is bad from the day you were born.
Those kinds of morality paradox characters are interesting but always need to be accepted by dm's ofc.
@@aronsvanlaugsson5338 That only works to a point. Once you become as indiscriminately murderous as this character seems to be, the only way to still be neutral is if they were incapable of understanding the concept of morality. CN does not translate to “do whatever I want” like some murderhobos think.
Most hired assassins would be lawful evil or lawful neutral because they work for whoever hired them and usually have a professional code of honor when eliminating their target. Lawful evil might work for a criminal organization while a lawful neutral assassin would act as a spymaster or other sanctioned spy. Chaotic Neutral characters usually follow their own whims and don't like submitting to authority very much. They often lack the kind of professionalism that comes with being an assassin.
@@funnyblog100 I think you’re right on that.
Chaotic neutral is a little difficult to quantify but I think we can all agree that guys character concept was not chaotic neutral.
@@Mgauge But that's exactly how they described their character tho? "He doesnt think he's evil, and are trying to be good" that already indicates their character doesnt understand morality properly.
And sadly CN does in fact mean i can do whatever whenever, which part of "me first, morality second" did you miss? Thats the exact reason why murderhobos take it, because they can help the old lady across the street without an evil agenda as well as murder her if she wont compensate for it.
I hope the DM's plan for the atheist story was to turn the game in meeting a bunch of gods face to face. "Oh i don't exist ?" But yeah leaving also works
Someone said sometime that atheists in DnD is the Faerun equivalent to Flat-Earthers. I find that comparison endlessly comical and exact, and there's few ways to rip me out of the immersion DnD's world offers than to ignore that world's reality.
Its pretty hard to square militant Atheist's in a world were clerics get magic powers from their gods.
@@brendancoulter5761 If such a word would exist in a world like Dnd, it would clearly have a different meaning. I can imagine a Atheist in such world as someone who know that gods exist but would prefer to have nothing to do with them and, in more extrem case, would think that the world would be better without them (And there might be some arguments for that point of view when you see every problems that battles between gods can create...)
@@jean-philippehaufroid6425 I think a character who dislikes or distrusts the gods is perfectly viable, although hostility to religion would usually be restrained because pissing off the healer never makes sense. I would say unless the DM decides to make it the focus of the campaign, a rebellion against the gods should be assumed to be a fools dream by any player. It should be as impossible as a rebellion against Newtonian physics is in our world.
If there were a character in dnd who legitimate disbelieved the existence of the gods, when undeniably proof existed, they would likely be treated like we treat flat earthers at best or as total pariahs at worst.
@@brendancoulter5761 you are completly right. that why I have modified the definition of atheist in the Dnd world. Except rare worlds like Eberron, you just CAN'T deny the existence of the gods and trying to do so would be fruitless.
"My character doesn't believe in goblins no matter how much evidence you present to me. I don't care about the rulebook even this goblin here standing in front of me I completely deny that he is real. What is he gunna do, stab me?"
-last words of man stabbed by goblin
Kind of difficult to have an atheist stance in a game like D&D when the gods have been shown to not only be real, but *active*. Like you could straight up look at and talk to Selune if you prayed and were loyal enough.
In the Pathfinder universe, there's an entire country that's made up of and ruled my atheists. It's not that they don't believe they exist, they know that they do. It's just that they hate every single one of them and refuse to worship them.
Somehow, this country has been smitten from hell and back
@@Tytoalba777 but that’s not atheism by definition an atheist is someone who don’t believe in any gods existence. Someone who thinks they exist but hate them is still a theist.
@@oliviawilliams6204 Not true. From Stanford.edu:
global atheism: there are no beings worthy of religious worship.
There are variations of Atheism that believe that there are gods, just none worth worshipping. Early Buddhism, immediately after the death of the Buddha, was like this. They believe that their were gods, but none to bother with. Early "true" Buddhism, as a result, is often labeled an "Atheistic Religion."
edit: Oh, also, by Pathfinder very own in-world definition, that is, in fact, atheism
pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Atheism
@@Tytoalba777 Oxford dictionary
The theory or belief that God does not exist. The word comes (in the late 16th century, via French) from Greek atheos, from a- 'without' + theos 'god'. From: atheism in The Oxford Dictionary of Phrase and Fable » Subjects: Religion.
Selune even ran an inn for a while in Waterdeep because it brought her closer to her worshipers. This was in the Forgotten Realms comic books from the 80s.
Story 1: You know what would be funny, if Mark was playing in a Theros campaign. It's like living in ancient Greek Mythology where the gods are very real and are way more direct in the affairs of mortals. So if he bad mouths a Goddess like Nylea (Goddess of the Hunt, like Artemis) that player is turned into a deer and better run cuz he's now hunted by amazonian hunters. This could legitimately happen in this setting as its based on the that mythology where the moral of the story is "Don't pi*s off the Gods!"
Story 2: if I was the cleric I think that pc lost their healing privileges and the ego.... Oof its as big as a Storm Giant
About that... That's what the twelve main gods in DSA are based on actually - the Greek/Roman Gods with a touch of Norse mythology.
The sad thing, this is weirdly common among TDE players. In Aventuria, atheists are basically flat-earthers.
Ngl, that does sound like a good character idea, or at least a fun joke character idea:
*The Gods do some crazy world bending stuff*
PC: "Psssshhh, you can see that any day, doesn't mean Gods exist."
@@TheDukeofCheese12 The problem is, as a jokey concept it's pretty much a dead horse in the German TDE community. Everyone is just annoyed, especially since these so called "enlightened" atheist characters are usually played as and often by smug tossers.
Yup. They're considered crazy at best and at worst blasphemous and in need of being vanquished.
Some people don't need dice and a table, they need a couch and a professional
The Dark Eye have elves who do not believe in the gods, he can just play one of them.
Crispy here asking the real questions
best possible answer is "bag of holding" pocket or they are dried and flattened???
In the Planescape D&D setting, there's a fascinating group of people known as the Athar, who believe that the gods are not worthy of worship and see all gods as participating in, effectively, a cosmic protection racket that keeps mortals from accessing the true source of divinity. It's an interesting take on how one would handle hating the gods/organized religion in a setting where gods explicitly exist, and is a far more engaging philosophy than blind god-bashing.
If the DM says the gods exist, then they exist.
About Mark: I am also an atheist. However, my characters always seem to end up being religious, without fail. This might be because they live Ina fantasy world where gods exist and can and will regularly prove their existence. I'm just counting my D&D characters exclusively for this example, so I'll put it this way: My tiefling paladin has a constant routine which religion is woven into. My elven ranger does not have one of those but still leaves an offering at every shrine he comes across. My halfling druid at the very least respects the gods and their influence. The elven sorcerer who doesn't believe in gods or magic is explicitly stated to be always high as a kite and is also a joke character. It's fantasy, gods exist in that world, just roll with it man.
It's like playing a character in a Cyberpunk game that doesn't believe computers exist.
In my experience, people who aren't particularly religious have the best time playing religious characters, because they have no actual problem pretending to worship a deity, as opposed to, say, a devout Christian might have a harder time playing a character that actively worships a God they personally don't believe in. Also, technically speaking, it is entirely possible to create a character who STARTS as an atheist if they have lived in isolation/an isolated community where clerics, paladins, and other divinely empower individuals don't live. They would never have encountered anyone who had powers granted by divine authority, so they could easily just not believe in gods. However, the second that guy gets brought back from the dead by the divine grace of the Clerics Revivify, his tune is going to change real quick.
@@theyondant6088 Weird thought, but what you had a character who believed that all divine magic was actually just arcane magic. The character wouldn't know how to use magic himself, so he wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and he would just think that all religions are scams run by wizards and sorcerers. Might make for an interesting character.
"How does one fit multiple human hearts into their pocket?"
They probably desiccated them to shrink them.
Or they rotted to dust, since the parents died many in-universe years ago.
This Mark guy sounds like a complete zealot. Like those crazy people convinced that DnD would lead their kids to Satan, but from the opposite extreme.
Seriously people, if the concept of a fantasy religion offends you so much, maybe you shouldn’t pick a game where clerics and paladins are basic classes with real magical powers from their deities.
Mark: Gods don’t exist!
Mark, later: Hey! Someone heal me!
Cleric: Wait until later so I can patch you up with a healing kit. It’s too bad I don’t have a way to heal you instantly.
Mark is a great illustration of "Dropped religion, but still takes dogma for walks"
The sad thing is all you have to do make a hardcore atheist work in D&D is just have them say "nah, there probably just unimaginably powerful magic users, down with the system! Those smug bastards can probably see the damn future but they'll rue the day they decided to underestimated us common folk! I mean isn't it there fault things are this much of a mess? If everyone would just deny them that sweet sweet prayer juice they'd be in for a real reckoning dammit!"
I'm an artist and I wish I'd been able to go to art school, so the idea of someone wanting to drop out because they only wanted to draw one character is hilarious to me.
Recipe for all D&D horror stories LACK some if not all these ingredients to varying degrees:
Clear expectations (at session 0)
Clarity (in player/DM communication)
Consent (in-game and/or OoC)
What kind of *egomaniac* would go to art school just to draw their OC?
Well some people gotta go to artschool for something shrugs
I can get going to art school to get better at art so you can *draw* the character better, but exclusively drawing that character? Frankly a little creepy
The Dark Eye? Ye gods, that's a whole can of its own worms in the German gaming community.
I do tend to obsess over characters I make but this person took to an entirely new level.
So, if this egomaniac is in love with her PC, is that self-love, narcissim, or is it just creepy?
All of the above
D for all of the above Kenneth.
definitely all of the above
The hearts in the pocket one. What's it got in it's pocket, Precious? what's it got in its dirty, thieving pocket!?
"And not to... whatever the hell I am." I think you could be best described as Catharsis.
Oh boy. I got the “my character isn’t evil, they are just murdering this person because it suits their interests” response before…and that’s always a concerning one.
I have a character that began the campaign denying the existence of gods. She's now traveling with two paladins, two clerics, and has had multiple conversations with multiple gods. It's been really fun portraying her internal screaming as she tries to reconcile her beliefs with reality.
She's also the character that prompted me to learn to draw humans, I had such a clear image of her in my mind and it suddenly became clear that the party had a completely different image. Time to learn to draw. LOL
So.. Mark in story one has never even met an atheist, I'll wager. "I'll deny every god, I'd rather live in denial and reject all forms of evidence." sounds like Mark's preacher has been telling him about those silly atheists, again.
OP said he is one, he wasn't RP'ing that part. He was indeed so mad at religion he would deny gods exist even in a game.
@@Astropeleki and my comment was doubting that, because thats not what athiests are, thats what thiests think athiests are. 'I am not convinced of your claim.' Isn't 'I will deny all evidence because I don't want to believe.'
@@rawr70101 you'd be surprised man, in every religion, or lack there of, there are thoughtless zealots, people will always run the spectrum, atheists are not immune from it.
@@lima-3284 Athiesm isn't a religion, but there's all types of people for sure, for many reasons. Extremist athiesm isn't really a thing. 'agressive disbelief', 'I violently don't accept this fairy tale.' Doesn't really translate.
@@rawr70101 hence the "lack there of" and while you might not think a guy like Mark exist, I'm pretty sure I've run into at least one, usually it's not about them being an atheist more so them so he'll bent on rejecting any form of religion in any sort of context, people can be ill adjusted to social situations.
Ah, the people who to expensive schools with no solid plan... a friend of a friend went to business school cause it was trendy and cool. Failed his first year, 10k USD down the drain. Parents decided to cut the costs and had him come back home. He finished a cheaper trade school and found a job in tourism, is now financially independent.
You gotta dry out the hearts first, basically turn grape size if you do it right…or so I’ve heard
alignment isn't something you choose for yourself
it's an unbiased decision of the players and/or the dm based on their motivations, methods and deeds
like if you save a kingdom for purely monetary gains and some fame and influence, you're probably not good
if you save a kingdom by overthrowing the evil king and while keeping civilian casualties at a minimum, you might be good
if you destroy the capital with magic, terrorism, plagues or similar means to revenge your lost ones and kill the evil king, you might have "saved" the kingdom by ending the tyranny of an evil king, but you're probably evil
in VERY simplified terms
a character killing innocents because they refused his selfish desires for games and fun definitely is evil, and probably chaotic
Story 1- my friends might best be described as agnostic (heck, one of them is an actual RL druid, legally licensed by his home state and everything- he can even perform marriages). Despite this my friend that created our campaign world also gave it a quite detailed history, including that of all of the gods involved in its creation and that of the PC races. In other words, Steve needs to chill.
Story 2- Wow- feels like OP made a left turn into The Twilight Zone. This person needs help- and soon... Also, have I mentioned that my second ever D&D character was/is a Ranger?
Story 3- The WTF factor is over 9000 here- that poor kid. Proof once more that some people should have to be examined before being allowed to have children...
*Story 0* _(short story at start of video.)_ I too was thinking "this some edgy teenager" before you dropped the ball that this was a 30 year old man... Yikes. You can't say "I murder people entirely for my enjoyment" and then say you're not evil. You're either evil or not in a sound state of mind, which means how you view yourself is incorrect. Also yeah how do you fit whole human hearts in your pocket?
*Story 1.* Ugh I hate people who argue about religion in a fantasy universe. I haven't heard religion stories on this channel before but I've heard other D&D story channels cover them. You're welcome to not believe in gods but don't be a dick about it, and don't do it to harass other players. Yeesh.
*Story 2.* Uh... Well that's new. Never seen folks like this before, and I own a Tumblr account! Honestly I think this girl genuinely has some mental health problems and trouble separating fiction from reality.
*Story 3.* Uhhhhh... someone maybe tell CPS? Not that I think they're bad parents; just if they're _throwing stuff_ when they fight that's probably not a safe place for kids.
As an atheist, I think it's safe to say this Mark fella doesn't speak for us.
...most of us.
My most "Evil" character is a sociopath who tries to be as smart as little finger but deep down knows he is subpar at best. With his accomplishments only being pure luck and his purpose of becoming a chef to make a cookbook being an act of desperation for realizing the only sense of purpose he had was lost after telling his family he didnt want to become a wizard like them and that becoming a ranger was just an excuse for him to let out his frustration on wildlife.
"How the hell does someone fit human hearts in their pockets!? it's not an easy feat!"
You- why- You would know?!
Because the size of a heart is a known quantity.
Dehydrated hearts. Makes it easier to fit them in a pocket. Also less messy
The character from the opening was a guy
They could fit the solar system in one pocket. The other is for their phone.
Hurtful criticism is not criticism. Depend on conditions it was either rebuking or insulting
I don't know how many hearts to edge CN carries in his pockets, but my sweatpants's pockets fit 4 of the size of mine easily (normally your close fist is approximately the same size of your heart) and I'm a big dude.
Just a case of everyone having no chill in all these stories
"Criticism exists to make things better." - TotalBiscuit, 'This video is no longer available: The Day One Garry's Incident Incident'
RIP TotalBiscuit. He was a huge inspiration to me.
I'm sorry but Marks & the Party are encountering a merchant on the road who has 7 birds with him in his cart
intro story: player: my character isn't evil! DM: your character is literally the Joker, how can he NOT be Evil?
On second video and the multiple human hearts question got me to laugh out loud. Keep up the jokes!
Egomanic
OMG YES, a DSA story! As a long-time DSA DM and player I feel so seen right now. 😁
It makes a lot more sense in the real world to be an atheist, but when gods are so obviously real and so obviously work can you can SEE and TALK to them IN PERSON, it's stilly to be one in-game.
The way I see it, atheists in this setting would be more someone who doesn't want to be beholden to a god rather than a non believer. If you get a chance, look up Pathfinders Rahadoum.
God's and specifically the lore around the Pantheon of the 12 main gods are what makes DSA/the dark eye so charming and interesting.
While it's hillarious for a character to go full atheist on real existing deities(I can only image he'll neve be able to sleep or sleep 'with' someone else again, as the least of his problems), it does rob the world of its Charme to just resent a major part of aventurian culture (Aventuria is the main continent)
'okay this story needs to be delivered to a therapist and not whatever the hell I am'
BEST LINE EVER!
I had a character who *detested* the gods for backstory reasons, everyone was surprised when he became best friends with the paladin, especially when it was revealed that *his* god was the source of said hatred. way he saw it, while he hated the gods, he had no reason to hate this particular follower, although he was slow to trust him
Okay, so that first story...I'm an atheist, and I HATE it when what I'm about to say is said about us because 99% of the time it's utter balogna, but...That guy was doing exactly what he hates religious people for. The guy was a zealot and beyond all reason, even in the face of incontrovertible evidence. The problem with religious thinking is that there is no demonstrable reason to believe what you believe, and guess what? He was engaging in religious thinking by that definition. In fact, he was going further than most religious people do: They only believe things without evidence that can't be proved or disproved one way or another. What he was doing was believing something that had concrete, blatant evidence against it, denying reality itself.
You don't like us much, do You?
@@kapitan19969838 I just think you've been indoctrinated since an early age and will find any excuse to believe something that is self-contradictory, especially because it's a huge part of your social circles. I don't like what religion has done to you, and I want you to get better.
@@SamWeltzin That's quite arrogant of You to assume such things, wouldn't You say?
After all, You don't know me at all, You don't know the circumstances of my faith nor how much it means to me, hell You didn't even care enough to ask what exactly I believe in and yet You act like You know best what's good for me
@@kapitan19969838 Do you believe in things that cannot be falsified? Because that's all I'm commenting on. I don't know anything else about you, but you said "us," so I assumed you were someone I was talking about. Was I wrong? Do you not believe religiously?
@@SamWeltzin "I want You to get better" was what You said, implying that You, not I knew what's good for me, is that not so?
Definitely feel the whole Mark story, all Clerics, Warlocks, some Paladins, any and all Asamairs are just staring at themselves in horror "if gods aren't real how do I do all my cool stuff?"
Fyi this a joke and honestly I now want to play a Cleric who believes his god is an Axe, and that's it. Lol
I usually play characters that are rather neutral towards the gods. They don´t follow any of them but they also don´t deny they exist because that would be like saying dragons don´t exist.
Him: Choking people is bad.
Freaks in the sheets: Choke me harder
😂😂😂
Oof. The girl in that second story has legitimate problems.
Legit, my first thought was "Dang, that kid must have massive pockets" lol
If I where in a game with a person like that my reaction would be to make a character who's a full on anarchist that thinks all forms of humanoid hierarchical structure is a scam by the powerful to keep everyone else down, any follower of any god that dare demand there followers do anything beyond what there instincts as a decently socialized humanoid demand included. They wouldn't cause trouble the VAST majority of the time but they'd have there molotov cocktails and there arguments on how humans just become shitty when they hold to much power over one another no matter there belief system ready to go for whenever there needed!
I've had to deal with an egomaniac in D&D myself. He would do all kinds of really stupid things most of the time. Frequently blamed others for his failings. And more than once tried to force ship my characters, who were all women with his. Regardless of their stated orientation.
Ultimately this led to a longs string of events culminating in what I call, "The White Dragon Incident". We eventually just had to boot him, and that after the DM my friend Dave started actively targeting him for how many times he'd ruined the game for us. Not the best response I know, but Dave had to be pushed to get there.
We really should have given him the boot sooner.
“How does someone fit multiple human hearts into their pocket? Not an easy feat.”
Spoken like someone who has tried.
Owwwww. I like the thumbnail artwork. Is that LoL Kalista?
The hearts are dessicated, like little cardiac prunes.
You can have a big pocket and when you dry them out like beef jerky they take up a lot less room.
Don't look at me like that, I just know these things. You don't have to ask why.
"How the hell does someone fit multiple human hearts in their pocket? It's not an easy feat"
Crispy sounds like he has experience collecting human hearts lol which is even funnier to me bc he's ace lol
Gotta love the irony of the atheist disregarding evidence, he's basically just a reverse zealot.
Rando athiest: gods aren't real
The paladin, warlock, and cleric (and some druids): mhm, keep that up buddy
To be fair, Warlocks make pacts with whoever will give them power. They don't actually have to believe they are gods.
If i ever had to relay in that situation, I'd just relay complete nonsense so the one whispering in my ear would say "I did not say that!" so i can clap back with "Then say it to them yourself!"
The opposite of the religious Karen? The Atheist Karen? Interesting. As a religious guy, it's oddly satisfying to see the opposite. But still would rather have neither.
It amounts to the same thing: someone justifying being a selfish jerk with their beliefs.
See how he suddenly turned being denied his idea in a game into a “noble” crusade against all religion? It was no different than the ones he claims to hate.
@@Mgauge You are not wrong. In the end, both are exactly the same. It's just their motivation that differs
🎵 Caught in a forced romance
I think it's perfectly sensible to call PC in first story Chaotic Neutral (or maybe True Neutral), as long as they didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong.
Don't get me wrong, though, that kind of character still needs a shit ton of great roleplay to be even remotely viable.
Atheist here. Mark is just hopeless.
The gods are obviously real in that universe. I rarely even play anything in a fantasy setting who doesn't have *some* sort of religious leaning on a very real deity, because it's escapism. Being different from reality is part of the charm.
That guy missed an awesome chance of playing a character resentful to the Gods and chose to be pissy instead
As a man who can fit 6 human hearts in my winter clothes and 5 to my summer clothes, I am offended.
Actually, once you have dried out those human hearts they become very small. About 10% of their present size. ; )
4:00 Uuuugh. Zealots, man. All beyond reason, and all completely convinced that they're the exception.
I had a similar question about the first story. How does he keep the hearts from rotting? or does he carry the scent of death around him all the time?
I took such fucken offence to the "and was a RANGER" part got me like >:( WHY DID THAT MAKE ME UPSET FFS.....Druid and Ranger best boys/gurls
Why is it when a player is it acting like a complete and utter douche, and they get called out on it, they so often default to, "you hate may character!" I've dealt with it enough times IRL to actually get to tell someone once, " actually it's because I don't like you" It went about as well as one would think but it actually felt really good. It's not actually a crime to dislike someone (especially if they're going out of their way to be difficult). The world is not a giant hug box, we are not required to all like each other, the best we have the right to hope for is a little common courtesy.
That last one... jeez! No thank you!
1. If you're the type of person who throws things when you argue with a loved one. You have issues. Seek therapy.
2. If you're so immature that you'll give your significant other the silent treatment, especially in front of company and thus dragging others into your stupid drama, you shouldn't be married. You clearly have a lot of growing up to do. Seek therapy.
3. If both 1 and 2 describe you, you should not be raising a child! Seriously, Get therapy!! Lots and lots of therapy!
Were their dead moms also named Martha is what i'm curious about
MHM yeah okay. That's a spicy meatball
Listening to your intro... I had the exact same question
That last story I think that the huge red flag of the married couple were having a fight before the game that lasted over an hour should have been enough to get the player to nope out of that situation.
A craigslist DM named spider......
Oh honey no
God, the atheist story reminds me of a 'friend' from right after high school. He approached atheism with the same maturity as the console wars. I'm an atheist too, but I'm chill as long as people don't _force their views on other people._ (Theological discussions with my partner are legit beautiful.) Y'know, _like he was doing._
He insisted that being an atheist made him better than all those 'fanatical' religious people...and then found secular causes for his fanaticism like Sony, shit-talked his 'friends' for playing other game consoles, and hated all the same people the church tells people to hate for all the same bogus reasons.
Eventually he called _me_ an extremist because I...got mad, when he _laughed_ about LGBT people getting hate-crimed into an early grave...and told him that _I am one._ So are most of my loved ones.
There's atheists, and then there's crusaders in little secular hats.
That guy as no clue how big heart are!!
Playing a atheist in the dark eye is not a good idea. I play and dm it for a few years chars who deny the gods have a short lifespan.
If you dessicate the hearts you should easily be able to fit multiple human hearts in your pocket. Brb, gotta go experiment I'll get back to you
"I don't like religious types!" Micah Belle and this guy
"My character isn't evil". You killed your entire family when you were a child, how is that NOT evil?
(Egomaniacs make poor players)
The problem of people either ignoring alignment meanings or act like only their character's perspective determines their allignment.