Did this Moira NOT heal? Or was the tank just feeding? | Spectating Overwatch 2
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The amount of times this Moira threw a healing orb at enemies has me triggered beyond belief
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@@nin7744 0_0???
@@nin7744 I don't know if this was your game, but if you hold on to your healing orbs for when you're tank is being aggressive, it allows you to do more dmg without having to worry about healing them asap.
@Tyshnore No fr they had so many opportunities to get kills or help get kills but they’re too busy throwing heal orbs and not damage orbs
They threw a ton f bad healing orbs and ALSO sprayed full health team mates even when low on healing resource, just because "fight happened, I do stuff!"
the constant healing full hp teammates out of enemy los bugged me so much for some reason lmao. Way too much healing without actually healing I feel
You'd be surprised how many bronze Moiras piss all their healing on full hp teammates before the fight even starts (they probably never played Moira and should not be in game with players who played since 2017😡) Anas too keep shooting healthy teammates for some reason. Baps too. Idk they gotta click something all the time I guess╚(•⌂•)╝
@@Lilian040210I do this sometimes when I expect someone to take a significant amount of damage. Pre healing prevents their death. Especially when your heals have travel time
moira heal lingeres around and heals over time so you can tap spray teammates you expect getting dmg.
Yeah the Moira yea healing too much, but in the meta ranks you do have to preheal as a support because your team mates won’t take cover, they expect you to counter the damage they take.
ngl i often throw my ofuda at full hp teammates because they‘re not standing behind cover and i expect them to get hit by loads of dmg any second lol
They’re too worried about their duo and honestly healing way too much
Can tell they’re in their own Discord chat screaming anytime anything happens to each other.
"They should let their team die" what logic
@@Mavuika_Gyaru why do you think "healing way too much" is the same thing as "letting their team die?" granted, I don't think their problem was healing too much, but rather, healing poorly (at the wrong time, too wastefully, etc), but still. this is a question worth asking yourself.
@@sethescopethey were out of range a lot and just wasting it bit never throwing a damage orb to recharge the spray
@@Antonio-ys5zdI agree with this. There's a difference between letting the team die, and spraying to spray which is what this moira was doing.
The Moira: YOU get a healing orb, and YOU get a healing orb, and YOU💅🏽-
Tunnel vision on their friend, useless orbs and wasteful heals when full hp, and I couldn’t even recount when I saw mercy use blue beam 😭😭
Very very few uses of damage orb. Mainly just healing orbs
to be fair moira heals arent nesscarily wasted at full HP, her heals have a special thing where they "persist" for a few seconds, so you can do a quick tap on a full HP ally and it will continue healing them for a few seconds afterwards, its useful just before engaging a fight as it gives your allys effectively 15~ more hp to work with before you gotta heal
that said, its pretty minimal and thus negligible, just saying its not *completely* useless
@@XiaoYueMao Other supports have pre-healing features too; Brig and Wifeleaver to name 2. But back on point; if you throw healing orbs at the other team they're wasted.
@@azseal2669 i never mentioned orbs. i was simply commenting that using moiras piss at full hp isnt completely a waste in and of itself, assuming you use it right before a fight and not between fights
i was staring at the mercy the entire time like WHY ARE YOU HEALBOTTING!! the moira says she’s gonna help her friend get out of bronze but the #1 piece of advice she should’ve given her as a mercy player is to switch her healing/primary with her dmg boost/secondary. both are just pumping heals with no real utility. heals alone don’t win you games.
Honestly?
Tank was out of position a lot, but so was the entire team, tbh.
The number of times I saw Bastion attempting to be a tank is concerning. Soldier didn't seem to know where he was half the time.
Mercy was spending way too much time out in the open or right next to dangerous enemies.
Moira was doing a lot of funni fades *into* danger.
And yeah, the tank was doing a lot of 'I AM A TANK' nonsense.
This whole game was a case study in how not to do positioning.
This is why the mindset of 'focus on yourself' is so prevalent. Anyone on this team that was blaming others for throwing didn't have that right, cuz they were all kinda throwing.
But the person that threw most of all was probably Orisa. Literally *giving up* and dicking around in spawn is never justified. You're playing a game with 9 other people. Grow up. Do your best and take the L if it comes.
bro wrote a steam review
@@theonenonly2060 I've written longer stuff lmao.
@azseal2669 here you go sport 🏆
@@theonenonly2060 Problem?
Yeah grow up Orisa. You're only being countered swapped constantly to the point where you can't even play Orisa without them swapping to Zen. Then on top of it if you play aggressive your team fails you, then if you do play back, your team plays badly. Yeah Orisa it's not cool to tilt when tank is already hell to play, plus you get games like this with a Moira Mercy. How dare you not want to suffer through this game more by contesting the losing point 18 minutes in!
So, this Moira is suffering from something I like to call “micro-managing.” It is very easy due to Moira’s high healing output to be constantly obsessed with doing everything as if you are the solo support on the team. And, in lower elos, it can be very easy to lose faith in your other support.
But this, my friend, is your duo. You can comm with them to make sure they have heals. Trust them to do what they need to do to heal the DPS. Have them call for help or healing if need be. In a situation with a Mercy, you are responsible for your tank’s heals.
It’s hard not to constantly micromanage because, especially if you play other supports, it can be easy to get addicted to the endorsements you get from healing everyone. If you’re going to play Moira past Gold, or even efficiently in Gold and beyond, you’re going to need to DPS more and get aggressive, and people are not going to like that. Get used to being hated. Embrace it. Take pride in being annoying to everyone around you.
Also, if one solo ult is all it takes to be called a “tiktok Moira” these days, then I guess I’m that times 1000 lol.
Oh people these days froth at even a thought of Moira or Mercy, don't worry about the tiktoki part (wtv that means xD)
@@Lilian040210 originally a tiktok moira was just a moira who only did damage and literally never healed, it came from those tiktoks where moiras would flank behind the enemy team to pick off supports rather than heal their team. however it got out of hand and now a bunch of low elo chuds think their GM streamer daddies were referring to a moira doing any damage at all, and thus the moment you use a damage orb or succ someone will scream at you calling you a tiktok moira. ignore them, as them calling you that is a sign they themselves are bronze
lol, tysm for the advice. in the stream ppl were calling me healbot one second, then tiktok moira the next TT i was like "which one is it?? pick one please"
@@Lilian040210 It just refers to a hyper aggressive selfish DPS Moira who refuses to heal the team, or will only do so under duress. These days, the insult is slung at anyone who plays Moira and dares to DPS at all.
@@nin7744 I would just classify it as “confused!” I definitely used to micromanage a ton when I was in Bronze. Getting aggressive more is going to help you a lot, just make sure you keep your eyes forward more than behind you. As Moira, you can play up with the tank most of the time and just spray as needed. 🥰
They mentioned that they had the most healing in the game. This is something that low elo players need to learn stats do not matter in the slightest. Yes they show you whose just complete getting rolled but high stats matter nothing. People have started learning damage numbers don't matter but you can have 75k healing and still lose. It truly matters how your using your kit when your healing and who you're healing. I wouldn't say Support is the most difficult role because every role has their own tasks and difficulties but Support is the role that gets punished the most the second you tunnel vision
In the famous words of Awkward: "you have high healing and lose every game, I have low healing and win every game"
I respect 30 elims and 7k dmg over 15 elims and 15k dmg. Healing/dmg numbers don’t really matter if nothing is dying on their team. Elims or save heals are much more important, keeping someone alive tht is getting 4 kills a fight over dumping 6k heals every minute into someone getting 0 kills a fight is more important. Too much dmg wthout elims is also just healing feed for the other team giving them ults.
Everyone outside of games say stats don’t matter. Yet during the game I bet you’re the loudest about stats. 🤣♥️
EXACTLY!! however there will never b a time ur team doesn't start throwing cuz they look at ur heals right after u lose 1 team fight
Sometimes high healing numbers can be worth noting but it's also worth knowing this: you're only healing as much damage as your teammates are taking and a large chunk of that healing is your own self-regen.
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Is very much a metal game. Everyone in the open, shooting at different things, the supports flying around focusing the wrong things, dps on the ground, in the open and blowing up, tank is sitting in the open and focusing the enemy tank too much, a lot of flanking dps who could be dealt with by positioning smarter.
I swear mercy is moiras egirl for how often moira looked back at her unnecessarily
I think theyre concerned about their backline because of the flanking Sombra, Echo, and Zen. I appreciate that they are helping the backline, but the tunnel vision once they do is the problem, because they dont need to spend that much time on it because then yes, who is helping the tank? They look like they dont know what to focus on and are trying to do everything... but in Bronze, sometimes you do have to do everything.
The enemy Zen was an absolute treat... the Ults were so interesting too.
As a support main, I’d say this was on the supports, except for the few times the tank over extended. (that’s until they straight up afk ofc)
Yes, it’s different play style, but as a support, you should be the one to adjust and balance between the 2 styles. That’s y the role is called “support.” You do everything in your ability to help your team.
Worrying and peeling for your backline is good, but forgetting about your frontline while doing so is your fault.
Bro as a masters Moira seeing them just waste orb cooldown over and over and over then fading into danger multiple times made me wanna cry. And all while wearing the skin I can’t afford😂😭
I immediately assume someone is an idiot when I see them rocking paid skins. And it almost always proves true. How can you expect intelligent gameplay from someone who's dumb enough to pay $20+ for a single cosmetic that nobody will ever pay any attention to?
Is that mercy scared of blue beam ?
I mean yeah but it probably only woud have amped up like 500 damage lol
@@jotave49 correct, back when i was in bronze i could go blue beam 80% of the game (according to the stat board), and still only boost 700~ or so dmg, the max ive done is ~2000 with a pharah but without a pharah it would be a miracle to get above 800 dmg boosted, put simply, in low elo, dmg boost really isnt worth it since the people your boosting arent outputting enough damage for it to matter, their aim sucks
So many metal rank mercies do not use one of her only forms of utility that is not on cooldown. So odd to me.
@@advisor. because her allies get hurt faster and need healing more, and arent able to make use of her boost effectively, so its not worth it... dmg boost only really starts being useful at mid to high gold and above
2 words, friend: Bronze Mercy
I feel like flaming anyone on your team is one of the worst mistakes in this game and almost guarantees a loss. The focus then becomes arguing, typing, inting, etc. If you ask nicely (for swap, play style change, suggestions, etc.) and nothing changes, then it’s up to you to adjust your own play style. Flaming = hard throwing.
one person adjusting playstyle in a team game doesn't do shit when the dumbfucks continue to feed. When you're playing like ass and you're asked to swap or change something, and you refuse to, I'm not changing to cover your ass or giving you support anymore. It's not a worthwhile use of resources.
if people aren't doing their jobs, and you can visibly see where the problem is, you're perfectly within your rights to flame the douchebag. at that point it's their own fault for getting flamed
It's funny how people think being toxic and demanding swaps will get anywhere. People are petty these days and will literally throw that game out of spite if you're being a dick lmao
@@AngrySecs imagine thinking that one person changing playstyle will impact the game in a meaningful game. The only way there's change is if it's the whole team
@@psirockin2251this is a very immature way to approach a video game.
@@psirockin2251 it's not so black and white. You're right but a team is only as strong as its weakest link. It's hard to pick up their slack sometimes if they've made a bad hero choice, which happens. Like running roadhog into orisa, bastion, mei, ana, zen. Yea that tank needs to switch. But being toxic about it is wrong
this was more painful to watch than some bronze 3 games
I would break my monitor if this moira was on my team
It's possible they'll derank to Bronze. Most new players get thrown into Gold/Plat by default, then slowly derank.
The tank throwing a fit in the corner at the end on round 3 was kind of hilarious. As a tank main I couldn't imagine doing this
hi, I'm the moira! ty for reviewing my gameplay emongg, i gained some useful insight. i was definitely paying too much attention to my friend, and someone on stream said i was healing the mercy more than the tank which kinda hurts but true! it just rlly pains me to leave them when i know there's a sombra in the backline and danger may befall them :'>
i just wanna say that for the record, i was not trying to heal the enemy rein in the sigma ult, i acc sent out the wrong orb and then you can clearly see at 4:04 i faded in front of my duo who was on crit, and turned around to try and heal her tho she already flew away TT
but yes, i should have gone in with my tank more & trusted mercy n the dps to deal with the flankers themselves. I've been trying to get better at keeping myself alive as a support, and it's honestly just so hard to stay in a spot that is useful without immediately getting rolled, esp with an aggressive tank like that, so i didn't know where i was supposed to go in a lot of situations that wouldn't end in me getting killed.
I'm having a lot of fun playing ow tho and hopefully I'll get better over time
also, flame me and my gameplay all you want but leave my duo alone they are perfect and did nothing wrong!!! >:(
so the thing about support positioning is that it's never static. you will very rarely stay in the same place for very long, aside from right at the start of defense. this is okay! learning to position as support is learning how to find good cover no matter what. you can push up with an aggressive tank (to a point lol) while still using cover and having an escape plan. you don't have to give enemy spawn a lil kiss, but you can typically push up more. it can be helpful to find a spot where you're like "I know how to get back to safety from this spot, this is as far as I'm willing to go in, I will save my fade and I know where I will fade to"
it's all about having a plan and then like five more plans for when the first plan inevitably goes to shit lol it's about adapting but adapting within a certain set of parameters, like always always always being basically halfway behind cover at all times, just peeking out far enough to do your job.
I wrote a whole comment of extra thoughts but hopefully this helps more generally too!
@@sethescopety for giving advice and being so helpful, it's rlly kind of you to do
Tip for your friend USE BLUE BEAM
If we're thinking of support roles then Mercy would be in charge of backline because she's damage boosting ideally and Moira is frontline because she needs to suck the enemies to get more healing. Of course you were in a tough situation with 3 people harrassing your backline most of the game so it's kind of a team failiure that you didn't figure out how to attack that problem. The tank can't do much about the backline. Ideally one of the DPS players adjust to deal with it, but they didn't really so at that point the Support players should probably adjust their play. Illari and Brig are my favortites for dealing with backline problems, but that's just prefrence.
Your tank was not aggressive. He was doing his job as a Sigma and playing on cart the whole first round. Also esp as a moira you can get out of so many situations, and as the only main healer it is 100% your job to keep that Sigma alive and healthy. Mercy is damage boosting or healing backline. Staying back there with them just creates more targets for them to shoot at. you also have insane DPS as a moira. get up in there with the sigma, throw a damage orb, that extra burst can win team-fights. as a moira you should never be looking to heal mercy. even if she ends up 1 hp, you're messing up your positioning and it crumbles the entire team, mercy should have the movement and survivability to get out and self-heal. if she dies, atleast you're making plays with your frontline.
Their biggest problem is just simping too hard for the mercy, she'll be fine, she can fly out if she's decent. Focus on the entire team, not just your duo.
She’s also Silver, she’s not decent.
@@KoiPuff a silver mercy should at the very least know how to press shift to get out of danger
@@Khemrikhara Description post said they were duo'd together and that she was queuing with Mercy to try and boost them out of bronze. So Mercy isn't Silver.
simping? what
Exact reason why i play LW. I can let my tank play agro while keeping a charged heal blossom in the chamber while i scan my surroundings.
LW is second to none for hanging back in a more safe position while healing
LW is sabotage.
There's always a yoink for when the tank gets too spicy
@@Lilian040210 I was just reflecting on how novel of an ability it is. It’s maybe my favorite ability in the game
No mention of the dps losing like 80% of their duels though? It was a huge team diff I think. Hell the tank surviving as long as they did makes me think they were probably the best player on the team, but as usual, ego makes any kind of skill worthless.
oh no they got rolled whenever the team focused them it's just they were never the focus until the rest of the team was dead
No way these comments are this one-sided. I think it’s fair to say that this Moira was overprotective of their support, but I think it’s also fair to say that the tank didn’t turn around A SINGLE TIME to address that his back line was getting flanked the entire game. Their DPS ran amok the entire game on the supports without the tank batting an eye or at least wondering why his supports are dead every fight. I would honestly blame the tank for having zero awareness of what’s going on behind him just as much as I would blame this Moira. At around 19:37 the solider and reaper run down on half the team without the Orisa responding even a little bit and that was the story of this entire game. Like there was definitely a bunch of questionable decisions made by the Moira, but how do you not notice that your team is being flanked for a whole game?! As a tank player, this could not be happening to my team, and as a support player, I would hate to have this as a tank.
my first piece of advice for this Moira is to play with their sensitivity settings. they are incredibly slow to turn around and react to things, and its not always that they dont notice something. when they do notice something, it looks like they need to move their mouse twice in order to do a 180. or, if you have the ability, adjust your gaming space so you have more room to move your arm. either way, you need to change something so you can turn around and actually react in time.
second, it's good to be aware of your second support, but you have other things to do too. Mercy not only has the support passive but her own passive too - sympathetic recovery. Mercy will heal 25% of the healing they do to an injured ally. so if your Mercy is safe behind cover, don't worry about them. part of learning to play Mercy is learning to play safely so you dont need so many team resources.
i think this shows one of the downsides to queuing with people. there is a tendency to focus waaaaay too much on your friends, to an extent that you end up making bad plays in order to keep them alive. if they are mature people, they wont hold it against you if you have to let them die and they will take responsibility for their own gameplay. if they get mad at you, you should probably sit down with them and have a talk OR, if youre not close, maybe consider only queuing with them in quick play.
also, don't use your orbs to try and make up for your mistakes. orbs are good for damage and getting juice back or burst healing or AOE healing for multiple people. if you're paying attention and positioned well, you won't panic and overuse your cooldowns and youll begin to understand when you need to orb and when your primary healing is enough for the job
also, don't worry so much about the flanking Moira. worry about making sure none of your teammates are low. a flanking Moira in your rank is only going to get the value you allow them to. choosing to be distracted by them when realistically there's nothing for them to gain by flanking is giving them value. attention and time are resources in OW, just like cool downs and ultimates. you need to use all resources wisely.
good positioning will make the game easier for you. positioning is how we as supports keep ourselves safe. it's also how we reduce our panic and nerves. if you're safe, that's one less thing to worry about. saving your fade to escape means you won't freak out about someone flanking because you have already made a plan to deal with danger, you saved your fade and you can use it to get to safety. you can do the same thing with your healing orb, you can save it for yourself so you don't need to worry about the random Moira and can stay focused on your team because your orb will heal the damage. this isn't to say ignore flankers completely, but you dont need to take the 1v1 when your team needs you. succ them a bit, then turn back to your team.
think about it this way, if you can't confirm the elimination in 3-4 seconds during an active team fight, then you need to look back at your team and see if they need you. dont tunnel vision. keep your head on a swivel. the more information you have, the better positioned you will be to make good decisions.
consider not holding down left click so much. don't spray and pray your healing will hit someone - that's a guaranteed way to waste your resources. position yourself behind your team so you don't need to spin around healing. you will save so much juice and be able to heal people throughout tough fights if you do this.
before you use fade, ask yourself: do i NEED fade? at 15:48 ish you fade away from an enemy when you could have just walked back through the door way and saved the cool down
16:28 ish you didn't need to orb your mercy and ended up wasting it. Mercy wasn't taking much damage, if any. try to be more mindful about your orbs. the cooldown isnt insanely long, but if you don't have it when you need it, it can be disastrous and that cool down time will feel like it takes a year and a half.
16:58 when you use fade, use it to get to SAFETY. don't use it just to get away from the immediate threat. you faded from enemy soldier....... right into the middle of the enemy team lol i think it would have been better to fade back towards the doorway that goes to your spawn and go up into the hallway and heal from the window.
17:10 I get you wanted to do damage to the reaper, but using it on only one person when another team fight is about to start isn't the best move. you could have used it on the entire enemy team and gotten a chunk of ult charge. instead, you used a cooldown and didn't get anything in return.
18:06 dealing with an ulting soldier is not your job. you will not win that 1v1 unless they're literally 1hp and you're full. don't go for this. just don't. go for cover, save yourself because if you try to save someone who is out in the open and put yourself out in the open, neither of you are going to survive that. it's better that your team is down 1-2 than 2-3 people.
21:19 okay i feel like an issue you might have is you don't understand the reach of Moira's healing. the healing is as long as Mercy's beam length (15m). so if you could heal someone as Mercy, you can heal them as Moira. go into the practice range and practice healing the bots taking damage and slowly back up until you notice your healing is no longer reaching them. i promise this will help. you currently overestimate how far moira's healing goes and end up wasting quite a bit. this will help with that.
another issue i see is that you never have a plan for falling back. you fall back into very random places instead of falling back to safety. on this point, you want to fall back towards the mega health pack. there is good cover on that side and will put you closer to respawning teammates and out of enemy LOS. remember: you need to escape to SAFETY, not just escape from an immediate threat. honestly, something that helped me years ago was exploring the maps and identifying good spots for cover and positioning and also, when i watch highly ranked players, i watch where they position and ask myself why they position there. that will help you learn how to position instead of just memorizing where you see other people stand.
Great advices here.
I generally play with low sensitivityn but for moira (and rein brig and all) it's realllllly better to have it on the high, as you really need to do all those speedy turns.
And yes, as you say, support have some self sustain. I often duo queue as supports with some friends, and unlessI or they call for help, we handle our own little things. You can't prioritize non stop your duo at the détriment of your team.
ty for all this advice! i am on console and have the highest sense that i can while still being able to track ppl currently with my settings. other than that tho, the advice is great and i will keep it in mind
bro wrote an entire thesis
Wow! 😮 lol. Good notes
@@chrisbourquin5771 no need to be jealous; if emongg reviews your vod (and you play support), I'd most likely write one for you too
Not gonna lie. Once you realized the play styles, you told the same story over and over again and just reworded it a little each time 😂😂 I’m cracking up cuz I’m curious how many more times he gonna repeat it lol. Emongg I love the monologuing 😂😂. We get it passive support aggressive tank 😂
Yeah, it’s a good way to put it
You know the ranked system is broken because this guy made it to silver lol
Yup
LMAO what silver lobbies are you playing in? All my silver games look like this. After all it is below average, it looks like a standard silver lobby to me. Do they make lots of mistakes, bad positioning, worrying about getting dove...yes. Does this happen in almost every silver game...also yes. At least in all mine.
@riddleharriet bro I've had way better tanks in Silver than Gold & Plat, I've even seen dps & supports take high ground like tf
Nah I definitely have tanks like this in silver all the time. I think it's more about how the entire team played and they definitely played as I would expect in silver. I think if they were following emongg's advice they'd climb quickly. Silver is a low rank so I don't find it a surprise to see misplays by tanks in that rank. Have you seen Awkward's video when he plays in silver? Literally stood next to people shooting them and they don't notice. Definitely seemed par for the course to me. But if you're getting higher quality then I assume you'll be climbing soon. But these guys don't seem any worse than my own games in silver.
silver is a super low rank tf are u talking abt lmao
This guy is the definition of Trash Healing, only heals his teammates when they're missing like 5hp instead of healing the targets that are critical.
The moira using heal orbs on full HP teammates is killing me
16:35 was the best healing orb she threw all game. Not because it actually healed a ton, but it was smart to aim down and bounce it vertically to heal herself. I haven't played in awhile, but moira/bap were my mains, and most of her heal orbs had no thought to them at all. You gotta play the angles and bounce shit correctly. The high level version is predicting where people will go and bounce it to maximize coverage, and she did NONE of that ever. She just threw it directly at the problem, minimizing how long it was in play. The self orb at 16:35 was the only semi-clever one she did all match.
Honestly the play seems very on-brand for where they are on the ladder. I don't see a single person in this lobby that looks like they're higher or lower than Silver 5. That tank needs to go play QP though if he's going to be throwing comp matches because he's so triggered he can't play the game.
throwing the healing orb (and missing) at the mercy who was safe in the back line and missing just like 20 health irked me beyond belief
One of the main issues I saw as a GM moira was using right and left click at the wrong times. Healing when nobody is in range or when they see an enemy and not using dmg when they should. Orb usage was also off, healing orb when the team is full hp and not using dmg orb nearly enough. There was no dva which is perfect for moira since the dva can’t eat the orb, throw tht sh*t as soon as u get it and try and throw it at angles you know will ricochet in ways tht u want it (not saying you need a masters in geometry but most angles are pretty ez to guess). Tank placement was incredibly bad so that isn’t always your fault but playing moira properly can snag 1-2 kills when they commit super hard to get tht out of place tank. Also, start to do movement when your dmging so you aren’t an easy target and practice shading in more way thn going head in or behind cover, use it in less predictable ways (never use shade to go in to ult, you should always have shade wen you use coal so you can dodge cc or use it to get some range when you are low). Moira is a fairly low skill character tht, if played properly can be a menace to the other team. The other team also wasn’t really playing a good comp for a moira, try to play ana into tht so you can anti the tank/reaper and have more heals on your tank from range when they overextend.
you don't want to see me play ana i promise you TT but ty for the advice
@@nin7744 just a tip, learning a new character is a big way to get out of being hard stuck. It’s all up to u, I love playing moira as well, she is really fun imo but wen you match against a hog, ana is almost necessary in order to win (if their team does their job properly and keeps him up). Also, watching these videos along wth a few others like Flats really opens your eyes on certain mistakes you might make and not know u make. If you are interested in raising your rank, put on one of their videos inbetween games, helped boost me from masters to high GM just from hearing the mistakes I make and how to correct them.
My god I've never seen soneone miss with Moira succ until now lmfao
Several videos ago I asked to see the "alright so" reacts of the chats. My request was given a wink in a video that soon came out and some time after I think I start seeing this lowkey stream of the chat more consistently when it mattered to me. Thank you.
these healing orbs bothered me more than anything else
Getting a support duo like this would drive me insane. Their team is playing 3v5 every fight
3v4
That 5th player is the enemy Sombra fucking about in the backline.
You may have the most heals (easy to do as moira), but you weren't healing when it really mattered.
Ok, who flipped the mouse button settings for the Moira... Very funny guys.
This.. uh.. definitely a low elo game. Zero blue beam mercy, healing a -5hp teammate while tank is crit. I read the moiras comment on here, and they said to leave the duo alone but truth is youre going to fall or stay in silver 5 unless you BOTH get better, or learn that qp/arcade is where you can duo. A tip I can give is learn to bounce your orbs for maximum value, especially healing orb. Moira can pump out massive heals, learn to stay with your tank and occasionally check backlines/help but if you gotta hold the mercys hand the whole game then idk what to tell you...
5:23 never 1v1 zen and walk in the straight line, you'll die in 0.5 second
I wonder if this Moira would have worried so much about the Mercy if it wouldn't have been their duo. Sometimes you end up focusing too much on the person you're in a duo with and I wonder if that's the case here too. Would be interesting to know if that's their playstyle no matter solo or duo. Either way, as Moira, please stick with your tank if possible/not in a feeding position.
And I'd really appreciate it if chat would stop the console shaming. It's getting really annoying by now.
I definitely get that vibe as well. She was far too focused (like a mother hen) on the Mercy.
it's always amazing how moira players still find a way to miss shots
Why does every Moira player always seem like they're in an alternate dimension playing their own game?
30 seconds in and I feel like Im watching the offspring of Helen Keller and Ray Charles.
15:45 Typical Silver gameplay, everyone is running all over and you've no idea what is going on.
They fully heal someone, they then throw a healing orb. That's most of my issue, throw the damage orb when people are healed, put pressure on them, gain ult charge and refill the heal energy
He’s so confused lol low levels are so funny
I saw that healing orb and damage orb come out every time right after someone died lol
He is Sigm on Havana first point defense and he is playing close?!?! Sigma benefits from range. Havana close hold is viable in some situations, but it's prefered to hold far and combined with the fact that he is Sigma I just don't understand the thinking here. The rest of the team probably just thought he was going up to say "hi" to the enemy team before backing up because it makes no sense for Sigma to hold close here.
Seems like he's "playing with the team he wants", not with the team he has
i wanna say that though it didn't show up in the vod, after getting run down doing that he was spamming "thanks" like it was the teams fault for him dying there :)
@@nin7744there is a "you're welcome" voice line, you should bind that haha
@@wicked5999 lol i know not to do that in my rank cus they start throwing like u see later in the vid T-T
@@nin7744 Yeah. The tank obviously had no idea what they were doing. Though very few do in Silver. Personally I don't mind if they throw because then I can report them for inactivity.
Still as I mentioned in another comment the tank has nothing to do with the backline issues and that was a failiure on both DPS and Support. Flanking is high risk, high reward. It makes them easier targets so if the team is prepeared and get picks it can make up for the tank feeding.
:v The funny thing I saw within this game is: *"Fighting in the same spot, and not using/getting around the other hallways available to make the enemy team divide and then conquer them"*
Man that sweet sweet lobster 5 gameplay
Really feel for the tanks that queue into a bronze Moira Mercy support duo
I don't. Most of the time that combo can work, there's worst support duos.
@azseal2669 there's literally not? Only thing you can try to say that's worse is Mercy Lucio, but at least the Lucio could've sped the tank places if they weren't going to heal the tank regardless.
You're judging based off this Moira; not every Moira tunnel visions their Mercy duo. Most of the time they're either doing their job properly or being DPS Moira, both gets the job done. As for worse support duos? Illari + Mercy is awful, it's a dps support and a pocket for a dps. Forget the pylon, it's not enough sustain for the tank and usually leads to an L.@@djinscar2304
Kinda weird how they wouldn't go into the enemy spawn w their tank but did for their mercy..😂
i will die for my besties, never the crybaby tank. that is all 😘
Tribalism
This gotta be a troll. 😂
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moira and mercy are my main healers and I'm trying my hardest to try to flit between all of the others healing as much as possible I don't believe i focus on the back lines or front it's more of a try to heal everyone at once and only focus intently on (as in focusing only on one or two of them) when we're in a chock point and it usually works out pretty good for me most of the time but I'm a highish bronze to low silver so I'm a master at the game or anything and normally play casual
It sounds like you need to play a different support. Bap, ana, or illari can handle those situations easily. They have way higher healing potential than moria and mercy. Mercy moria can do a lot of healing, but it's not high healing. Big difference there. Even if you struggle playing bap ana and illari, the only way to get better is to play more. Don't get yourself stuck on characters because it's easy or it's a comfort pick. Try different people, it will be better in the long run.
@@Senor_Fast I appreciate it but I'm not stuck I don't really play competitive and I believe I'm a decent moira player I mainly play moira and mercy because I like the characters and there kits are the most comfortable supports for me but I do really appreciate you giving out advice to help others keep helping others get better my friend
@@robertcross9863 I'm sorry bro, but if you're bronze, you're objectively not a decent moira player. People don't accidentally get to bronze, whether they play much or not.
@@RiseofMortals well I did say I don't really play competitive at all I'm silver 11 I believe and that's mostly because I'm not constantly playing competitive I've only played it a couple dozen times sense echo came out I play casually 99% of the time
Love how this was supposed to be their attempt to get mercy out of bronze when they’re clearly in no position to do any sort of ‘carrying’ especially on support…. At this point the only way for mercy to get out of bronze is to learn about positioning and survivability because if you’re dying that much on mercy and needing your other support to baby you……….yeah it’s not good
They get so lost in the sauce that they can't track their teammates.
Worst Moira lol. Healing the air 60% of the time, healing full HP alies 30% of the time, looking at the tank 10% of the time. 😂
Scrimblo is a pretty good name
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It looked as if someone sounded the panic bell throughout the entire match. It was just too painful to watch.
I find it odd that the game shows your own team in red. Everywhere else in gaming, the enemy is in red.
u can pick the color in settings 👍 also when u watch replays i think when the team u watch is on attack they are blue and then when they are on defend it's red, i might be wrong tho idk
@@iluvp3rcs RUclipsrs should change the colors, if they can.
@@SB-ez3dw agree , it just messes up my brain lol
This vod hurts me so much. I think the comments have me covered with flaming, but please don't waste that amount of heals... you're a 'healing' Moira that's a commodity, I could only dream of that on my team
This guy had the worst orbs I have ever seen. Oh look someone missing 10hp lets throw an orb instead of the group of 3 enemies Infront of them which would get so much more value. Hell I use dmg orb more then heal orb "most" of the time. You can get some good usage about of a dmg orb displacing ppl all the time with that joint at lower ranks forcing ppl out into the open. Its always funny to watch a hanzo jump out into the middle of the field and get picked off by a kiro cuz he was trying to avoid an orb lol.
6:42 So true. The experience of playing tank right now.
This was just a rough game. I don't agree with Emongg about the support needing to play aggro to match the tank, but instead, just be more aware. 2 ppl feeding isn't going to fix anything.
korean silver moira here
1) i would not choose moira on this map on attack side especially if my team wont push that cart past that sniper balcony;
2) their mercy was healbotting the whole time i would not worry about micromanaging my heals and focus on my tank and help peeling;
3) in my games i use mostly damage orbs to charge my ult, finish low hp enemies and recharge my heals, while using my healing hand to, well, heal my tank;
4) need to learn to manage fade cd to use it to get out of bad positioning, to escape from enemy and to help team when needed;
5) i would ignore sombra most of the time, if she's not good (its low silver lobby) she's not gonna kill u, just heal urself with orb, help other support and mind ur business.
overall this lobby is so lost💀
I swear I’ve gotten this duo on my team before except their friend went doom on a non doom map
10:12 gets low, decides to use fade to get out. But fades right in front of the enemy team....
theres so much going on, horrible positioning, constantly wasting orbs/heals on air or full hp team mates, the mercy always being out in the open and making stupid life choices , way too risky of resses, bastion trying to tank, and more like damn..
as someone who plays Moira. they are all over the place and feels like they are too worried about their due.
So many damage orb opportunities that would’ve turned fights
I think y’all are being too hard on this Moira. Like they were healing. It’s not bad that they look at their Mercy and heal them. 90% of Metal rank supports do not peel for their fellow support. This Tank was out of position ALL THE TIME. And they wanted both Supports up their ass with heals. So constantly saying like “Oh you’re focusing on keeping your backline up too much.” Like no, the Tank needs to learn when to go aggressive.
Also half these comments are like “All they use is Heal Orb.” But if they threw out Damage the comments would be calling them a TikTok Moira, there’s literally no winning here for them.
it's frustrating watching them try to heal from so far away. 😭 like I used to make tht mistake too as moira so I get it but omgggg
At 7:00 they edit the video to make Moria agree with what Emongg was rambling on about lol.
I ran into duo supports that play like this, most of the time we lose if i dont switch to their playstyle. Or if im facing a 4-5stack. My rank diamond 2
I honestly only read the title and thought this was a spilo video 😂
Healbot mercy
But if the tank pushes forward the support should push forwards
@@mikecl4304to an extent yes, that tank was going way too deep a lot of the times. Especially as a character that can't get out.
@@mikecl4304 Depends, it's better for the tank to die than for both of you to die while trying to heal them
the worst orbs I have ever seen as a bronze 1 support (peek silver 5)
It feels like he just grab his first controller in his life, turning the cam very slow, constantly mess up the buttons for healing/damage orb, had to process what button to press in brain led to really slow reaction time.
And beside bad decision, I think he's trying to do everything with his slow action. See A, turn to A, start to do A, saw B half way through A, turn to B, start to do B, see C, and so on.
Dumb question but was wondering how to get a game reviewed by you, I'm newish to the game been only playing since the last week or so of season 4 or 5, was hard stuck in bronze for awhile finally made gold 2 as support still silver in tank and DPS, just trying to improve and get better
4 minutes in, gave the floor some lemonade, seemed thirsty
Do you have a channel for any other games?
They mentioned "having fun with a friend", are they drunk\high by any chance? They just look so clueless, trying to heal enemies, floors, walls, throwing healing orbs at full hp teammates despite looking at a crit teammate, just generally frantically looking around like they don't know where they are and what is happening...😅
Bless your heart lol
They are using fade much much too late it seems and theyd benefit from learning the strong pieces of cover and fading around those
He heals the air so much 😮
tanks should realize. if youre not playing rogue dps moira or lucio, youre doing it wrong
What annoys me the most… I’m in bronze one and I play a Moria a lot better then this 🥹 like 15k+ heals and good amount of kills, yet I’m hard stuck bronze because of my teammates… and since I’m Moria, I get flamed for dpsing when our dps is feeding with a 8-14 KD
I was in a team on quick play playing on Rialto (pushing the payload while I was playing tank) a few days ago. Had an Ana, Mercy, Soldier and Junk Rat on my team since I was playing Junker Queen. Nobody and I mean NOBODY tried to help me in any shape or form. Ana or Mercy didn't try to heal, damages wasn't helping by assisting me with Hog or at least targeting someone so it was basically a 1v5. All my deaths constantly came from enemy Hog throwing me off the bridge. On the enemy team I remembered Hog, Bap, Widow and I think Pharah. The tanks in my rotation was Ram and Rein as backups. Soon as the game was about to end, our Ana said "Hog is better". I wanted to snap so badly during the game so yeah. I kept my attitude in check and logged off to relax my head
Wish we could see theur stats
12:14 seriously what did he say?
I do feel bad that their DPS is so bad too. The whole team is butt tier.
This Moira wasn't great, but their tank was absolutely awful. This was painful to watch
8:18 that dude in chat, CL0UD_DEALER, was such an idiot. 'Moira too focused on dps'. This whole dumb meme that a bad moira must be dpsing too much is so stupid, and it doesn't mean a good moira ONLY heals. You might as well have another healer at that point, cause they are gonna run out of heals too quick. You have to constantly swap between heal and drain to play moira well. This moira BARELY dps'd and was tunnel vision'd on anyone losing any bit of health, to the point that they were sometimes out of heals when someone actually needed them.
Or, more accurately, they would JUST heal for like 5-10 seconds, then JUST dps when they had a target (unless they got low and threw an orb to heal themselves). You gotta swap between these things much faster. Heal for 1-2 seconds, drain to refill for a second, heal again, throw a dps orb if their team is all bunched or a heal if your team is all damaged, etc.. The orbs are to maximize your ult charge. Which orb to throw is highly contextual, but you should be throwing one of them basically on cooldown.
Moira heal? Why would a dps heal? That's like asking a Soldier76 to heal you. Dps aren't Healers.
This Moira is just as much trash as their tank. Chasing a 1v1 almost all the time and doing terrible heals.
i dont think the supports played terrible, but Mercy Moira is an unoptimal duo. not impossible to make work but hard to work.
Dam, watching this gameplay is depressing lol
This kinda felt like a video where someone wanted to be vindicated from a salty teammate. Obviously there isn't a single game a silver 5 could submit that wouldn't have mistakes and playstyle issues. But this was pretty typical silver behavior. The tank was over aggressive for sure but if any of the 5 them played like a plat the could have flipped it.
Healers that waste healings/orbs/res etc… Terrible tank in red team, dps that don’t cover for their healers, healers way too defensive.. After this video I start to think that I am a God with my mains (Moira&Lucio) 😢😢😢 And I know I am not 😅
the tank was definetly hot garbage and so was the dps aswell that echo was let to just shoot at them in the back for far to long.