You're an absolute legend. Not just f2p friendly. Just roster friendly. Means we don't have to use our best champions here which is something stressing me out right now lol. I have a limited roster so I have a haphazard weave of speed tunes with some champions needed at specific speeds to work in multiple teams.
Yeah that's kind how I felt too. I didn't want to have to use some of my good champions for this so it's nice to get it done with what is more or less leftovers.
This team is a miracle. Thanks a lot! What I discovered: If you struggle with Gnarlhorn survive first hit, you can put Selfless defender mastery on some team member, ideally cleaner (supporter). Btw Paragon works perfectly even 5* only (with enough HP). For good speed up Ninja is great here.
Yep great tip about selfless defender! You can also build any of the champs in bolster/shield to help out too if you are struggling. Glad the team is working for you!
Great video and now subscribed! Most important to me was your explanation of keeping the shade counter under 10. This was a point missed by other CC's that made all the difference to making this work. Thanks!
Clicking on this video will literally be the first time I've seen this dungeon. I haven't done a single run of this dungeon, and haven't given a shit about Iron Twins ever, and only do the Sand Devil whatever because the advanced quests make me.
Thanks for this. Running two CH, Cardiel, and Paragon has damage. Time is usually 3min, and sometimes as low as 2 1/2min, as high as 3 1/2min. Great job
i can confirm this works really nice! i am thankfull for ur work this really can help out many ppl having problems with shogun. i rebuilt that team on my channel (no promotion intended) and i gave u all the props i could give u :) i subbed and follow u now
I'm not understanding why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't for me? Is it because I don't have enough blessings? I have 6* Paragon, 5* Coldheart, 2* Bad-el and Gnarlhorn, and 0* elenaril. He kills me before shade counter reaches 20 but it reaches 20 on the kill hit.
Hey Biohack =) I got a question when You started this series - You used your Shildguard for the most of the heavylifting. Do You remember if he could solo Force Keep 15 or did You try it back then? And did You try to solo Mino? Cheers
I wonder if you put Faultless defense blessing on Gnarlhorn and him uses his A2, when the boss hits him and do reflect dmg, will it reduces the shade counter too?
Does this only work on stage 25? cus a lot of RUclipsrs make builds for top level but I cant get there without a build like this, so is there a different spd tune for each level? or smth?
The same tune works on 24 and 25. To get there I suggest playing the fight on manual bringing in several powerful healers and cleansers. Champions which have skills which do not hit the boss are especially useful as you can hold those skills back and only use them if the boss puts enfeeble on your team and you have to take a turn before your cleanser can take it off. That's how I was able to get there. It's possible in the future I can do a full speed tune for every single stage but I don't have that right now.
Great guide - it inspired me to give it a go. I have built my team and for the life of my I can't understand why it isn't working. On the 3rd or so rotation Gnarlhorn hits and loses his unkillable before Paragon can re-apply the unkillable on him. I've checked masteries, ran it in manual etc and can't seem to figure it out. It feels like Gnarlhorn is running too fast and Paragon too slow, but I have compared with other teams on HH etc and I can't figure it out, please help! I have posted pics in the reddit, thanks :)
I think you got it working right? I tighted up the speed ranges in the description of this video because I think the ones I posted in the actual video are overly broad (they still work but they are extremely finicky based on how everyone relates to everyone else).
@@biohackrsl i got the exact same problem, i got all the exact speeds as in the guide and it always keeps failing the same way no masteries manipulating speeds or turn meter, the boss always cuts in between gnarlhorn and paragon before the second unkillable can be placed wasted around 20 million silver tweaking speeds and trying to get it work and i'm to tired to try again, no matter what i do it doesn't work
Is this Comp still supposed to work? I built the team today and unfortunately I have exactly the SAME PROBLEM as well. Checked everything twice. Masteries, Speeds, everything as it should be: Gnarhorn 184 Paragon 178 RTender 286 Just before Shogun is using his A3 for the third time it seems to be out of sync. Gnarlhorn attacks, loses his Unkillable and Paragon is not even close to apply it again. Shogun kills him off with his A3 sadly 😞 Shogun never used his A4, I am puzzled!
I have a team that does about a 3 minute run but I'm waiting on a blessing to really build the team I think i'll use long term. I'm also working on a team that does a 3/4 with the 2 dps instead of 2/4 so that should speed things up too.
guessing you cannot use this team to clear to 25? So you have to adjust the speed per match, also champs for non weak hits? Nice this works, but mattes not if you cannot even get to 25. Thinking if you use a team to get to 25, that will be the team you use to take 25 out also. Not knocking your work at all. is a great job. More just a curious question.
I think what you are asking is if you have a team to get up to 25 why don't you just use that team always? I'm not 100% sure. But I will say that the way I got to 25 was by using a bunch of my top tier champs and playing the fight on manual so that wasn't really a strategy I wanted to use to farm regularly. To get to 25 I would recommend bringing in several powerful cleansers, mithrala, pytion, wythir, speed buffs, decrease speed champions, and DPS which have an ability that doesn't actually hit the boss (i.e. geomancer). Then just play the fight on manual and make sure you use abilities that don't attack if the DPS champions are trying to take a turn with the enfeeble debuff up. It's slow and annoying but you can get to 25 that way and you only have to do it once.
Stuck at stage 15 have all the speeds correct, have tried to manual it...but I get boss to half health then enfeable is spread to my two coldhearts and they attack next
Yeah this tune is for 25 and will only work on auto there. You can use this to try and get through the lower stages but you will need to play on manual, have enough blessings, and possibly opt to bring some dps which don't have abilities that attack (such as geomancer) that you can save for when the boss enfeeble is on your nukers. At the very least you absolutely cannot use multi hitting abilities before you cleanse the enfeeble.
I didn't make tunes from every level unfortunately. The way I got to 25 was to play the fights on manual while bringing in a lot of cleanse champions and champions which have an ability that doesn't attack. That way you can use that ability if necessary until you can cleanse off the enfeeble debuff.
For those of you that use Coldheart... Do the "Evil Eye" or "Lore of Steel" masteries mess this up? It's rare to see a build of Coldheart without these two masteries. I can't get it to work and am wondering if this is why.
This video was awesome. Thank you for explaining it so well. Could you please make a speed tune for Stage 24? I know it's less efficient than 25, but I would rather get it done fast using my Gnut instead of having it slower on Stage 25. Would be more than happy to donate to you or Paypal you for the trouble. Let me know
Stage 24 should work with the same tune. At least it did in my calculator. Maybe double check that you aren't have shade counter issues. I haven't personally tested 24 though.
@@biohackrsl Thank you for the quick reply! I made sure I didn't have any masteries, skills, or artifacts that changed TM, so I was wondering why I struggled. I definitely did not have enough Awakening/control for the Shade counter when I used the calculator. I didn't realize how much more I needed. Once I have enough awakening, I'll report back if the tune is consistent or not. You might have mentioned it in the video, but I didn't hear you mention it, but it's worth noting that any champion that can take an extra turn or is in a relentless set, can make the awakening requirements a little bit easier. Would an ally attacker also make it a little bit easier? Having Gnarhorn for Stage 24 also is slightly easier, because the boss is less likely to crit, but we should still assume he will crit every time like you mentioned.
@@travis9529I like to be 100% consistent and make sure the run never fails so I made sure I had enough blessings to ensure 100% consistent runs. If the champ has a guaranteed extra turn it will work, but for conditional extra turns that might result in failure if they don't happen are not what I really want on my teams so I based everything on assuming the worst case scenario.
@@biohackrsl That definitely makes sense! I will try to see if I can fit my 3 star awakened Gala Longbraids into the team since she has a consistent extra turn set up on her A3 and I already have her running around that speed anyways.
You can eliminate the need for Paragon by replacing her with one or more Painkeepers and turning Gnarlhorn's A3 back on. PK's CD reduction will decrease overall run time.
I considered it. Unfortunately this doesn't work as pain keeper will also reduce the cooldown of the cleanser so it won't remove the enfeeble at the right time. You could probably find a tune that works but I think it might require running pain keeper at 350+ speed, otherwise things get really messy.
@@bobaquatics6776 Unfortunately that doesn't work either because the pain keeper is running at a 2/4 ratio with the boss so she would only reduce the cleanse cool down every other turn. You could probably find a tune that would work if pain keeper was running at a 4/4 ratio with the boss but that would require you build her with at least 350 speed.
I haven't tested it in reality but it works in the calculator on 24. I wouldn't recommend farming there though as it's about 20% less superior oils for the same amount of energy vs stage 25.
@@danielstark6170 Unfortunately Gnut is the wrong affinity for stage 25 and if he weak hits it will kill the run. Mithrala is a great substitute for reliquary though.
Yeah athel is a terrible choice. I just brought her because I happened to have one sitting around with decent blessings for a demo. I wouldn't recommend actually using her.
Letting the boss take a turn with more than 10 shade count will completely break the run as it will through the speeds out of tune if the boss uses his A4 instead of his A1 (his A2 gives him turn meter). There is a whole section of the video about how many blessings you need to make sure everything falls into place correctly.
Seems like alot of work, to do this, 1. Need to 6 star a) gator - cleanser (dont have relinquary) b) gnarlhorn c) paragon So that they don't get wiped in first round. Then 2) I need to have gator at speeds of 290+ My best gear is like 294 and that is 1 year of playing. So to get another 290+ will be crazy hard, remembering i need 6 star gear with speed so that they can survive. Not sure if having 6 pieces at 5 star, will get you that. 3) I see your gear is all 6 star legendary or epics with some pieces ascended. So in the game I might get 1 decent 6 star gear from around 200-300 energy. So you'd to multiply that by 6. 4) You'd need another 10-20M in silver, so hitting dungeon for maybe another 1000 to 2000 energy
bruh stop complaining like you said you’ve only been playing for a year so why are you even trying to do shogun’s grove anyway 😭 sounds like you need to focus on other dungeons instead
Great speed tune! You did a wonderful job breaking down what was happening and why. Thanks!
You're an absolute legend. Not just f2p friendly. Just roster friendly. Means we don't have to use our best champions here which is something stressing me out right now lol. I have a limited roster so I have a haphazard weave of speed tunes with some champions needed at specific speeds to work in multiple teams.
Yeah that's kind how I felt too. I didn't want to have to use some of my good champions for this so it's nice to get it done with what is more or less leftovers.
This team is a miracle. Thanks a lot! What I discovered: If you struggle with Gnarlhorn survive first hit, you can put Selfless defender mastery on some team member, ideally cleaner (supporter). Btw Paragon works perfectly even 5* only (with enough HP). For good speed up Ninja is great here.
Yep great tip about selfless defender! You can also build any of the champs in bolster/shield to help out too if you are struggling. Glad the team is working for you!
Great video and now subscribed! Most important to me was your explanation of keeping the shade counter under 10. This was a point missed by other CC's that made all the difference to making this work. Thanks!
Clicking on this video will literally be the first time I've seen this dungeon. I haven't done a single run of this dungeon, and haven't given a shit about Iron Twins ever, and only do the Sand Devil whatever because the advanced quests make me.
Thanks for this. Running two CH, Cardiel, and Paragon has damage. Time is usually 3min, and sometimes as low as 2 1/2min, as high as 3 1/2min. Great job
Excellent comp and well explained. Subscribed.
This is actually a very very good and helpful video. New Sub here
came over from broncos channel, good stuff
Thank you for the speed tune. Worked great for me
i can confirm this works really nice! i am thankfull for ur work this really can help out many ppl having problems with shogun. i rebuilt that team on my channel (no promotion intended) and i gave u all the props i could give u :) i subbed and follow u now
I'm literally laughing out loud to this comp. This video will drop into my Favorite List... great work 😅
not sure what you're doing different but I've tried this a thousand times today and it wont work
thanks, does this work on the way to 25?
this video should have a thumbnail saying , " Phantom Shogun unkilable" you will triple your viewers !
I'm not understanding why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't for me? Is it because I don't have enough blessings? I have 6* Paragon, 5* Coldheart, 2* Bad-el and Gnarlhorn, and 0* elenaril. He kills me before shade counter reaches 20 but it reaches 20 on the kill hit.
Amazing work bro, keep it going
Struggling to get to stage 25 to get these tunes working. Currently on stage 21 - Any advice?
Hey Biohack =)
I got a question when You started this series - You used your Shildguard for the most of the heavylifting. Do You remember if he could solo Force Keep 15 or did You try it back then? And did You try to solo Mino?
Cheers
I think so yeah. It's been a long time though.
Excellent breakdown!
I wonder if you put Faultless defense blessing on Gnarlhorn and him uses his A2, when the boss hits him and do reflect dmg, will it reduces the shade counter too?
Probably not. The passive says whenever a champion uses a skill. Not deals damage.
Bronko sent me, sweet comp!
This is amazing. Good job!
Can't wait for them to give Shogun "ignore unkillable" on his attacks like they did for Iron Twins
Haha I think they thought they already did when they put it on his A4.
Does this only work on stage 25? cus a lot of RUclipsrs make builds for top level but I cant get there without a build like this, so is there a different spd tune for each level? or smth?
The same tune works on 24 and 25. To get there I suggest playing the fight on manual bringing in several powerful healers and cleansers. Champions which have skills which do not hit the boss are especially useful as you can hold those skills back and only use them if the boss puts enfeeble on your team and you have to take a turn before your cleanser can take it off. That's how I was able to get there. It's possible in the future I can do a full speed tune for every single stage but I don't have that right now.
Hello, I play on a smartphone and I don't use any programs, can you help me with the speed for this team to reach level 25?
I came here from the HellHades' video, is there a way to use ninja with his turn meter boost and geared for godseeker/sanddevil tune?
I don't think so unfortunately. His turn meter boost messes it up.
Great guide - it inspired me to give it a go. I have built my team and for the life of my I can't understand why it isn't working. On the 3rd or so rotation Gnarlhorn hits and loses his unkillable before Paragon can re-apply the unkillable on him. I've checked masteries, ran it in manual etc and can't seem to figure it out.
It feels like Gnarlhorn is running too fast and Paragon too slow, but I have compared with other teams on HH etc and I can't figure it out, please help! I have posted pics in the reddit, thanks :)
I think you got it working right? I tighted up the speed ranges in the description of this video because I think the ones I posted in the actual video are overly broad (they still work but they are extremely finicky based on how everyone relates to everyone else).
@@biohackrsl i got the exact same problem, i got all the exact speeds as in the guide and it always keeps failing the same way
no masteries manipulating speeds or turn meter, the boss always cuts in between gnarlhorn and paragon before the second unkillable can be placed
wasted around 20 million silver tweaking speeds and trying to get it work and i'm to tired to try again, no matter what i do it doesn't work
Is this Comp still supposed to work? I built the team today and unfortunately I have exactly the SAME PROBLEM as well. Checked everything twice. Masteries, Speeds, everything as it should be:
Gnarhorn 184
Paragon 178
RTender 286
Just before Shogun is using his A3 for the third time it seems to be out of sync. Gnarlhorn attacks, loses his Unkillable and Paragon is not even close to apply it again. Shogun kills him off with his A3 sadly 😞
Shogun never used his A4, I am puzzled!
great efford and great video , i think there is a few content creators copy your team !
Great video! what was the best time did you get from this team?
I have a team that does about a 3 minute run but I'm waiting on a blessing to really build the team I think i'll use long term. I'm also working on a team that does a 3/4 with the 2 dps instead of 2/4 so that should speed things up too.
Amazing bro ! GG 😊
Love it. Definitely very accessible!
paragon strikes again
Gnut in affinitybreaker?
is ot possibl e without paragon?
it did not work for me...RT is cleaning sometimes before the boss put dec. def. I have followed your settings....please help!
Post your HH optimizer share link in my discord and tell me which champs you use on your team and I can take a look.
@@biohackrsl thanks a lot Bio! I have posted my team there...
Muito obrigado amigo! Deus super certo aqui.
guessing you cannot use this team to clear to 25? So you have to adjust the speed per match, also champs for non weak hits?
Nice this works, but mattes not if you cannot even get to 25.
Thinking if you use a team to get to 25, that will be the team you use to take 25 out also.
Not knocking your work at all. is a great job. More just a curious question.
I think what you are asking is if you have a team to get up to 25 why don't you just use that team always? I'm not 100% sure. But I will say that the way I got to 25 was by using a bunch of my top tier champs and playing the fight on manual so that wasn't really a strategy I wanted to use to farm regularly. To get to 25 I would recommend bringing in several powerful cleansers, mithrala, pytion, wythir, speed buffs, decrease speed champions, and DPS which have an ability that doesn't actually hit the boss (i.e. geomancer). Then just play the fight on manual and make sure you use abilities that don't attack if the DPS champions are trying to take a turn with the enfeeble debuff up. It's slow and annoying but you can get to 25 that way and you only have to do it once.
great video, very good explained
Stuck at stage 15 have all the speeds correct, have tried to manual it...but I get boss to half health then enfeable is spread to my two coldhearts and they attack next
Yeah this tune is for 25 and will only work on auto there. You can use this to try and get through the lower stages but you will need to play on manual, have enough blessings, and possibly opt to bring some dps which don't have abilities that attack (such as geomancer) that you can save for when the boss enfeeble is on your nukers. At the very least you absolutely cannot use multi hitting abilities before you cleanse the enfeeble.
If I'm still going up the levels, how do I figure out the speed tune for each new level?
I didn't make tunes from every level unfortunately. The way I got to 25 was to play the fights on manual while bringing in a lot of cleanse champions and champions which have an ability that doesn't attack. That way you can use that ability if necessary until you can cleanse off the enfeeble debuff.
For those of you that use Coldheart... Do the "Evil Eye" or "Lore of Steel" masteries mess this up? It's rare to see a build of Coldheart without these two masteries. I can't get it to work and am wondering if this is why.
Lore of steel can affect the exact speeds. You can use it but you need to make sure the speed is in the proper range once you account for it.
what about Evil Eye? @@biohackrsl
I have everything in order and my leader always escapes from unkill, does anyone know what to do with that
Double check your speeds masteries and champions skills. Anything that affects turn meter on any champion is a no go.
This video was awesome. Thank you for explaining it so well. Could you please make a speed tune for Stage 24? I know it's less efficient than 25, but I would rather get it done fast using my Gnut instead of having it slower on Stage 25. Would be more than happy to donate to you or Paypal you for the trouble. Let me know
Stage 24 should work with the same tune. At least it did in my calculator. Maybe double check that you aren't have shade counter issues. I haven't personally tested 24 though.
@@biohackrsl Thank you for the quick reply! I made sure I didn't have any masteries, skills, or artifacts that changed TM, so I was wondering why I struggled. I definitely did not have enough Awakening/control for the Shade counter when I used the calculator. I didn't realize how much more I needed. Once I have enough awakening, I'll report back if the tune is consistent or not.
You might have mentioned it in the video, but I didn't hear you mention it, but it's worth noting that any champion that can take an extra turn or is in a relentless set, can make the awakening requirements a little bit easier. Would an ally attacker also make it a little bit easier? Having Gnarhorn for Stage 24 also is slightly easier, because the boss is less likely to crit, but we should still assume he will crit every time like you mentioned.
@@travis9529I like to be 100% consistent and make sure the run never fails so I made sure I had enough blessings to ensure 100% consistent runs. If the champ has a guaranteed extra turn it will work, but for conditional extra turns that might result in failure if they don't happen are not what I really want on my teams so I based everything on assuming the worst case scenario.
@@biohackrsl That definitely makes sense! I will try to see if I can fit my 3 star awakened Gala Longbraids into the team since she has a consistent extra turn set up on her A3 and I already have her running around that speed anyways.
I'll build this team with the only 2 lvl6 blessings I have royal guard and dark kael. good job
Does it work now?
If anyone wants to know speeds for stage 10, cuz maybe someone needs it.
cleanser 174
gnarl 184
ch 204
paragon 174
drex 236
Thank you 😇
You can eliminate the need for Paragon by replacing her with one or more Painkeepers and turning Gnarlhorn's A3 back on. PK's CD reduction will decrease overall run time.
I considered it. Unfortunately this doesn't work as pain keeper will also reduce the cooldown of the cleanser so it won't remove the enfeeble at the right time. You could probably find a tune that works but I think it might require running pain keeper at 350+ speed, otherwise things get really messy.
How does this affect the speed tune though? I'm sure the cleanser will need a different speed if you do this.
@@whom382 Or use a cleanser with 4 CD instead of 3. something like Uugo, wich would bring a def down on the boss also.
@@bobaquatics6776 Unfortunately that doesn't work either because the pain keeper is running at a 2/4 ratio with the boss so she would only reduce the cleanse cool down every other turn. You could probably find a tune that would work if pain keeper was running at a 4/4 ratio with the boss but that would require you build her with at least 350 speed.
A 1-turn CD from 2 PKs will allow cleansing every turn and enable you to get back to Max HP nukes more quickly.
Good job!
G.O.A.T status
do a optimised version of this with ninja or other good damage dealers
ganhou like e um inscrito
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Has anyone figured a way to use ninja?
pretty cool team ill throw a shout to ash about you i dont know how i haven’t heard of you…
well no longer ur on my sub list
Does this work for 24?
I haven't tested it in reality but it works in the calculator on 24. I wouldn't recommend farming there though as it's about 20% less superior oils for the same amount of energy vs stage 25.
@@biohackrsl Is there a speed calculator for this boss somewhere or did you calculate it manually?
@@МикитаЦіхоцький I wrote a python script that let's me simulate fights for stuff like this.
its not auto?
It is full auto. Just make sure gnarlhorn is the lead champ so that paragon uses the unkillable on him on auto.
Just follow the AI presets in the video. I full auto'd it. He was just manually so he could discuss what was going on.
@@biohackrsl thanks.can gnute replace athel? and mithrala for reliquey tender
@@danielstark6170 Unfortunately Gnut is the wrong affinity for stage 25 and if he weak hits it will kill the run. Mithrala is a great substitute for reliquary though.
just gotta get to 25 :(
Coffin smasher would be more ideal than athel as he brings hp burn.
Yeah athel is a terrible choice. I just brought her because I happened to have one sitting around with decent blessings for a demo. I wouldn't recommend actually using her.
@@biohackrsl it's no knock, but expanding to the options for ftp players
@@-Unguardian- Oh for sure! Not a bad idea at all!
when Shade count is 20 - he ignores unkillable.
so you MUST have high blessings
Letting the boss take a turn with more than 10 shade count will completely break the run as it will through the speeds out of tune if the boss uses his A4 instead of his A1 (his A2 gives him turn meter). There is a whole section of the video about how many blessings you need to make sure everything falls into place correctly.
Seems like alot of work, to do this,
1. Need to 6 star
a) gator - cleanser (dont have relinquary)
b) gnarlhorn
c) paragon
So that they don't get wiped in first round.
Then 2)
I need to have gator at speeds of 290+
My best gear is like 294 and that is 1 year of playing.
So to get another 290+ will be crazy hard, remembering i need 6 star gear with speed so that they can survive.
Not sure if having 6 pieces at 5 star, will get you that.
3) I see your gear is all 6 star legendary or epics with some pieces ascended.
So in the game I might get 1 decent 6 star gear from around 200-300 energy.
So you'd to multiply that by 6.
4) You'd need another 10-20M in silver, so hitting dungeon for maybe another 1000 to 2000 energy
dude this is the latest content and suposedly the hardest. Are you really expecting bunch of rares at 190 speed with trash gear?
bruh stop complaining like you said you’ve only been playing for a year so why are you even trying to do shogun’s grove anyway 😭 sounds like you need to focus on other dungeons instead