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Demon1 has a trust problem. In his time with EG, against teams he never needed to check on his teammates. For example, on Bind defense, they would have Demon1 literally stare down B Long the ENTIRE ROUND. Boostio explicitly told him that his eyes shouldn’t be off the crosshair. You see him not even turn when a 4 man hookah push was happening against his only teammate on site, but he trusted his team so much that he didn’t turn to help his team AT ALL. On NRG every single time he’s doing anything he’s always unsure. He doesn’t have the same discipline that he did last year.
@@cornbread4everyone555 The igling isn’t the problem lol. Look at their fights, they’re all individual fights. Plus Demon1 is being forced to play dive duelist when he literally is incapable of doing so. They should do the thing OPTIC did where Victor throws his body at the enemy, creating all the space and then Demon1 is yay where he just has this space and abuses it really well.
Prx is just playing as a professional team for fun. They either play vct like ranked or they play vct like smart idiots. Either way, they just rush and win.
@smthlikeyou59 ye this mf is clueless, prx has shown great strats and protocols. The difference is they do it fast and they usually take high risk high reward plays when doing it.
@@beepbeep5153 Top 1 Champions 2022, top 2 LOCK//IN 2023, top 3 Champions 2023, Top 1 Americas 2023 and Top 1 Americas 2024... hahaha You know a lot, huh?
I mean you cant bring Aspas into any conversations or comparisons. You have really good players and then you have Aspas, he is in a separate tier by himself
Aspas is the best players in val, one of the reasons is that he plays equally well in every team because he is allowed to play as he is used to (mobile duelist)
@@Anuradha-cc1hh I don't think they're even remotely the same. Yay is very particular about his team and setup. Demon1 seems more like a "setup and unleash" player which is why he did so well on EG, they were very strat heavy.
Demon1 literally has been doing the worst. He can’t play raze well, who is meta in every map pretty much besides ascent and they don’t look bad in ascent, the only map they don’t look dogshit in. Ethan can’t call for shit, Marved has fallen off in terms of his lurk timings. You can’t say the team is bad when demon1 has also been underperforming.
Yay is not duelist/entry frag. Yay is just taking the line of sight that created by his teams. The problem in Bleed is they didn't have explosive duelist with raw aim and aggressiveness taking the control of the map, they had great anchor but lack of spearhead. their micromanage coach is also crazy, putting the team always on the edge and stress every match.
I think yay is a special case, because even though cryo was good on chamber, yay had pretty much mastered that character and fit his playstyle more, with calm aim and site anchoring. I think we would thrive much more by playing other sentinels like killjoy and cypher, weve seen this happen with meteor, who was also a cracked jett player before, and is now doing great on the sentinel role. But ya is now benched so idk 🤷♂️
the big reason is that we see super stars fall is their lack of flexibility and wrong roles. duelists like yay and demon1 are really in a subcategory of anchor players who strive off steady aim and opping(basically like sentinels with less util). true duelist should be in the dive category. teams recognized this in cryo and tenz. actually eg and optic recognized this in demon1 and yay but new teams misunderstood their true playstyle hence their downfall. it’s all about knowing how players can play with space effectively. demon1 and yay were always great at holding space, not taking it. it’s just they also played jett who can do both.
yay indeed did play duelist. If you check practically every game/ match it was always Jett-Chamber or vice versa. To say he wasn’t a duelist player is wrong
@eSportsAndy can you maybe make a vid about derke, cuz i feel he hasnt really been a bad duelist ever. over the 3¬4 years of competing and how he managed to accomplish that
@@daruler9125 yeah I agree in kickoff the whole of fanatic played like shit, because they (almost) didn't scrim for the whole off season, but with the form for playoffs, they're easily championship/ master contenders
The solutions boils down to 2 things: Either be both a great jett or raze player (like Aspas) or stick to Jett (as these duelists were amazing at) when the map requires them, and get a Raze player onto the team on other maps (Asuna, Jinggg, Victor). Or be like Tenz, giving up duelist entirely.
The thing I notice the most with demon1 and yay, they both have more lurky playstyles, I think if you put Demon1 on perma sentinel/smoke anchor, I think he'll do amazingly well, his playstyle is just not entry, jawg did that for him (as you said in the video)
Demon1 hasn't fallen from grace. He was always either jett or a smokes player last year. The exact same thing as he's doing on NRG. His team is just struggling because Ethan is new to the IGL role this season, so they don't have the trust to actually win attack rounds during the mid phase, when their plans don't go EXACTLY 100% And that chamber clip of Cryo is when they won the Redbull Homeground during the pre-chamber nerf patch, where Neon thrived as the entry on Fracture
This is kinda why ardiis wasn't really that impactful on NRG. He was playing only Jett and KJ. Now he plays a lot more supportive and is doing much better on NAVI.
I like how this video doesn't really explained anything. But only just blamed Jett & Chamber nerfs like VCT is entirely like solo queue ranked. Isn't what they all struggle is fighting utility with so many new initiators being prominent in the meta? Or mainly also because too many player-roster-base struggles mentally to keep up. Or the fact some of these players are going thru bad situations like their fiancee being terminally ill. (Demon1's fiancee atm) Players like Tenz, nAts, Boostio, Boaster, Demon1, zekken, etc these kind of players are pretty vocal in their stream & explicitly share their thoughts on why they experience their current downfalls. Agent changes doesn't have to be the real problem. Most usually you probably don't realize it could be just having a better coach.
something yay and demon1 both have in common is they both play low sens, which may have an play in why they dont succeed in chaotic & flicky environments (fixed a typo)
Probably because utility usage had improved so much that you don't have to worry so much about a duelist defending a site. No offense to the best duelists in town but you can only do so much when you're literally util dumped. It has gotten to a point where two to three pieces of utility is enough to take on a site and save the remaining ones for a site hold.
Yay needs a team around him that can win and work with him to be champs, like Yay has the talent, and experience to win a championship, it's going to be a matter of how yay can perform on his next team, I genuinely think Yay's agent tho is some dogshit because this guy really let Yay sign with C9 and DSG with bad deals on both teams.
yay had no choice lol like you dont need to be some genius to understand that yay just doesnt pass the eye test, especially if he's so hellbent on playing duelist those two teams were likely the only ones willing to actually sign him
@@wrekt2192 Sure, but these players have the experience to prove me right. Talent doesn’t mean you’re the best, but it does mean you have the potential to build the experience needed to be one. You got Demon1 and Yay who are both proven players, but yet people hate because they got fucked.
@@drew26 I mean people hate anyone who doesn't perform well. shouldnt be the case but it is. And since they aren't performing well statically they would be under th sword
Cryo is doing what demon1 doing last season, play jett and passive smoke like astra & brim. I think demon1 role or agent has never been an issue, its the team but yay clearly does have that issue
No the simple answer is these guys chased bags and went to a team that they had no chemistry with and couldn’t work well with, which can be best seen by yay going to c9 and demon1 going to nrg instead of staying at eg. I can almost assure you that their falloffs would’ve not been sooner if it weren’t for them leaving their teams
Yeah. They just thought it will be same with every team but clearly it wasn’t. Jawgemo was smart coz he already knew potter was a very good coach so he stayed and still pops off some crazy clutches even though his teammates play just fine. I agree with u.
I really wanna say that’s the case too but realistically look at the way he plays on nrg vs Eg it’s no joke that the coordination on nrg is god awful compared to that of eg. on Eg he was able to spread his wings and play the way he wanted to play but nrg it’s almost like he’s stuck I won’t say they’re holding him back but nrg has always been the problem in my eyes
@@SweetDreamrac They literally forced him to entry every single time, even though they stayed behind. They quite literally baited Demon1 multiple times in multiple matches. Also, forcing him to play an agent that he doesn't want to play doesn't help either.
you're not that good of a player though if you require the whole team to revolves around you thats why yay and demon1 fell off, they cant adapt to the meta and how the game is being played now
@@nadeshiko4149 sorry to break it to you literally every player other than aspas is like that tenz was horrible when sen were horrible now he's one of the best in his role.
Demon1 doesn’t play Raze, he has never been good at Raze, and he will never be good at Raze. He is way better on Brim on Bind or Fracture, where Raze is a must have. Jawgemo was always the Raze, but for some reason on NRG, they started the season with Demon1 on Raze. NRG switched too late in the season, and they didn’t have time for Victor to get re acclimated to Raze.
Forsaken is the most consistent player there is right now . Bro never underperforms . Sadly nobody considers prx in these discussions coz they have no trophies
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Forsaken is probably the best player in the world right now, he may not have extremely high kills like aspas, but he is the most versatile and always performs no matter what on any agent he played all the roles, making him the best of the best. Aspas is definitely best duelist and jing and derke are up there followed up by something
this narrative of "the game is changing" is a really lazy blanket approach that should not be applied to both demon1 and yay. It can only be argued for yay, and more so tenz. The duelist meta has remained identical since demon1s god year. also saying that cryo had a resurgence due to him changing his playstyle simply isnt true. his playstyle is almost identical as its been, but the team is performing now due to the roster changes. lazy hw.
duelist role in general is just kill and run lmao, literally low skill needed to do stuff (aspas is an exception cuz he's the goat lmao) it will make difference if you approach or USE duelist as a team player, utility is the most important part for this game, if you can use duelist with a good control of its utilities, I'm pretty sure you can flex too, take a look at Forsaken, alfajer, and victor, their util usage is so fucking good, that's why they do well with duelist role
this is why Tenz is my goat. he went from the top duelist to a duelist having problems adapting to the changes of the game to playing a new role entirely and having such a big impact.
Please stop spreading the misinformation that somehow Chamber would be a duelist. you're literally explaining yourself that the purpose of a duelist is to gain space for his team. How exactly does Chamber fit into this category? he is INCAPABLE of taking space. his kit is defensive, it helps FALLING BACK, not creating space! sure, Chamber has a kit that favors taking fights, but this does not make him a duelist. his ult is an op, the ultimate defensive weapon, he has slows, stall abilities (all defense)... not a duelist!!
@@aerose5868 following this logic, Sova throwing an recon arrow in A main is "creating space", Omen smoking top mid is "creating space", any agent taking a 50/50 dry peek ego fight and winning it is "creating space". When talking about a duelist, creating space means creating chaos, through your abilities, in an execute. Be the tip of the spear... none of Chamber's kit is capable of doing any of this. have you ever seen an execute where Chamber's ability are the trigger that create the chaos allowing your team to take site? no... because he's not a duelist! what you all mean to say, is that Chamber is an excellent first contact. and you'd be right, he's the best at it, only rivaled by Reyna and Jett. but first contact and entry aren't the same thing, and while duelists can be both, Chamber really really isn't an entry at all... which is literally the primary role expected to be filled by a duelist.
@@sebastienaguila2107 chamber is hands down the best first contact in the game and believe it or not pro play isnt played like ranked and we dont just run it down every round. obviously chamber isnt a duelist but he really isnt a senti either. his trip is horrible and his tp can be used so aggressively on defence its basically just a rechargable jett dash with no wind up needed. he is literally a gun with a shitty trip and a jett dash that recharges. yay played chamber best because he was actually able to get value on lurks as he won literally every raw 50/50. Senti is often top frag and should be that way. non entry duelists are out of style right now
@@aerose5868 Seems to me like we're in agreement, we just apparently have a different definition for duelist. yes, Chamber and Yay both are excellent at lurking and converting 50/50s on attack, yes they're both excellent at disrupting an execute on defense by getting a quick kill and disapearing, yes, Jett is also very good at this. but the fundamentals of a duelist, the one thing they ALL share is their ability to create space and chaos, which even non dive duelist can do in their own style. Yes, they are out of style, becvause they are less good at it, but they still share the trait.(Phoenix can isolate fights and flash them, even iso can vulnerable is potential next fight), Chamber is lacking there... imo the number one role to be filled by duelist. being able to exploit off angles and get out on defense the way Chamber, Jett or Reyna does isn't a fundamental of duelists, otherwise, more duelist would have it, not just 2 out of the 7 in game currently... literally half the agents in the game are better at entrying than Chamber is, because they have some sort of util to help. Omen, Fade, breach, Kay/o, Gekko, and every single duelist in the game beat him there...
@@sebastienaguila2107 there are "first contact" duelists and space taking duelists. chamber is simply a first contact duelist after the trip nerf. every character in the game has the ability to cause chaos and not every duelist can create space in most scenarios. iso useless reyna useless at taking space
Yay. Yay demon1, need some better team. Bruh. Maybe put them on TS TEAM. I MEAN JERMY pop-off soo good because of his teammates. This one of the reason why he still in shrouded if he is really that good as a duelist.
this is a comment before the video starts. Really hope you point out the real reason demon1 didnt make it and thats his confidence turned arrogance. You cant get on stage after winning champs say you are the best player in the world and then stop practicing...
I feel like PRX has to many duelist and not that many flex if it was me I keep monyeet remove something and jingg bring back benkai bro sorry but forsekan can be the Jett if there’s a need for it but my primary duelist is monyet he can pay raze and neon Or omen or Astra,
Honestly, it’s not a player problem, it’s a game problem, the meta is too stale, pro teams can easily expect plays/counter plays, cause they’re very repetitive and it all just comes down to who gets shot first in whatever way, either 1 player doesn’t check a corner or doesn’t expect someone in a particular position, resulting in him getting picked off and the other team can just use that to add rounds to themselves. Valorant has become a timing based/split second decision making game, nothing more creative to get about it in pro play, riot needs to do something about it.
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Demon1 has a trust problem. In his time with EG, against teams he never needed to check on his teammates. For example, on Bind defense, they would have Demon1 literally stare down B Long the ENTIRE ROUND. Boostio explicitly told him that his eyes shouldn’t be off the crosshair. You see him not even turn when a 4 man hookah push was happening against his only teammate on site, but he trusted his team so much that he didn’t turn to help his team AT ALL. On NRG every single time he’s doing anything he’s always unsure. He doesn’t have the same discipline that he did last year.
Yea a great player can’t be a great player if his team doesn’t set him up and if he doesn’t have trust
This nrg team is very bad, especially ethan being the igl
@@bhlonker31Ethan is good but not as an igl imo
@@augustinjean4986 he's so bad
@@cornbread4everyone555 The igling isn’t the problem lol. Look at their fights, they’re all individual fights. Plus Demon1 is being forced to play dive duelist when he literally is incapable of doing so. They should do the thing OPTIC did where Victor throws his body at the enemy, creating all the space and then Demon1 is yay where he just has this space and abuses it really well.
I am impressed how players like aspas adapt to new meta while sticking to their primary dualists role
he was literally programmed for this game
aspas is the only guy who can do it though every other player stuggles when they switch teams
It's really because the team relied too much on the dueliest and did hero plays instead of just working as a team.
hes too consistent
aspas is perfect in terms of positioning and timing. He knows when to be aggresive and when to fall back and be passive
Meanwhile the whole PRX team 🗿🗿🗿
Prx is just playing as a professional team for fun. They either play vct like ranked or they play vct like smart idiots. Either way, they just rush and win.
no trophy yet at the top and deadly
@smthlikeyou59 ye this mf is clueless, prx has shown great strats and protocols. The difference is they do it fast and they usually take high risk high reward plays when doing it.
@@elementaluniverse0069 u rly think they don't prep or strat or use their brain
@smthlikeyou59So?
Who always stayed on top as dualist? ASPAS
He hasnt won shit for a long time until recently with lev stage 2 americas
@@beepbeep5153 So what? His individual performance remains amazing. The same can't be said about the other duelists...
@@beepbeep5153 Top 1 Champions 2022, top 2 LOCK//IN 2023, top 3 Champions 2023, Top 1 Americas 2023 and Top 1 Americas 2024... hahaha You know a lot, huh?
It's Crazy how Aspas is still at the Top
I mean you cant bring Aspas into any conversations or comparisons. You have really good players and then you have Aspas, he is in a separate tier by himself
because he's the goat of valorant atleast individually , even alfajer said in interview aspas is best player.
I mean when he’s on the field it’s not even a team it’s aspas and friends 😭😭
Aspas is the best players in val, one of the reasons is that he plays equally well in every team because he is allowed to play as he is used to (mobile duelist)
Hes basically the S1mple of Valorant atp (imo)
This makes forshaken even more awesome, the guy was playing jett and neon when something was not there, he was also site entering and still foraging.
Demon1 just needs a team around him that is fully in it to win it. He has the talent, needed experience to win a world championship. He is that guy.
That goes same for yay as well. Both demon1 and yay are good team system merchants.
@@Anuradha-cc1hh True
@@Anuradha-cc1hh I don't think they're even remotely the same. Yay is very particular about his team and setup. Demon1 seems more like a "setup and unleash" player which is why he did so well on EG, they were very strat heavy.
Demon1 literally has been doing the worst. He can’t play raze well, who is meta in every map pretty much besides ascent and they don’t look bad in ascent, the only map they don’t look dogshit in. Ethan can’t call for shit, Marved has fallen off in terms of his lurk timings. You can’t say the team is bad when demon1 has also been underperforming.
@@Anuradha-cc1hh i think every duelist other than aspas is a system merchent, you put derke in a bad team he would perform even worse.
Yay is not duelist/entry frag. Yay is just taking the line of sight that created by his teams. The problem in Bleed is they didn't have explosive duelist with raw aim and aggressiveness taking the control of the map, they had great anchor but lack of spearhead. their micromanage coach is also crazy, putting the team always on the edge and stress every match.
they have Deryeon but he is force to play flex because yay wanted to play duelist
@@quangamn I know
Their Primary duelist unable to join VCT due to being underage, Juicy
I think yay is a special case, because even though cryo was good on chamber, yay had pretty much mastered that character and fit his playstyle more, with calm aim and site anchoring. I think we would thrive much more by playing other sentinels like killjoy and cypher, weve seen this happen with meteor, who was also a cracked jett player before, and is now doing great on the sentinel role. But ya is now benched so idk 🤷♂️
When did Meteor get benched?
@@vedantpani4672 yay is benched
@vedantpani4672 oh no I meant yay getting benched, I see where u got confused
@jskim5336 yay didnt get benched, he chose to take a break for health issues
C9 leaf is another duelist turned sentinel
the big reason is that we see super stars fall is their lack of flexibility and wrong roles. duelists like yay and demon1 are really in a subcategory of anchor players who strive off steady aim and opping(basically like sentinels with less util). true duelist should be in the dive category.
teams recognized this in cryo and tenz. actually eg and optic recognized this in demon1 and yay but new teams misunderstood their true playstyle hence their downfall.
it’s all about knowing how players can play with space effectively. demon1 and yay were always great at holding space, not taking it. it’s just they also played jett who can do both.
Yay didn’t play duelist? He *played* duelist, but his peak was with chamber. He’s playing duelist today, but he wasn’t at his peak.
They called him "El Diablo" well before Chamber came into the game though
Can you honestly say that Chamber wasn't played as a duelist when he was the meta? Chamber WAS the duelist.
yay indeed did play duelist. If you check practically every game/ match it was always Jett-Chamber or vice versa. To say he wasn’t a duelist player is wrong
there was no other player with a nick name except him showing how good he was
@@unbeatable617he wasn’t a duelist though… he was better as a lurk and taking solo fights. he was his own role
Forsaken was also going through a slump as a duellist back then before he went flex
Not everyone is Aspas he is the goat
chronicle is the goat
@@andy-xz2uk you're forgetting leo
@@bearEnjoyer85 you're forgetting derke
@@rudranewaz6664 i like derke but he doesn't have the same aura as lockIN 2023 anymore
delusionals above
@eSportsAndy can you maybe make a vid about derke, cuz i feel he hasnt really been a bad duelist ever. over the 3¬4 years of competing and how he managed to accomplish that
Ye i agree, he has been performing decently over the years but this year he didnt perform that well
@@daruler9125 While I agree, this year hasn't finished yet. But yes so far, he hasn't performed as good as last year.
Decent agent pool
@@daruler9125 yeah I agree in kickoff the whole of fanatic played like shit, because they (almost) didn't scrim for the whole off season, but with the form for playoffs, they're easily championship/ master contenders
Fnatic is just different, every single player on the team is a beast
The solutions boils down to 2 things: Either be both a great jett or raze player (like Aspas) or stick to Jett (as these duelists were amazing at) when the map requires them, and get a Raze player onto the team on other maps (Asuna, Jinggg, Victor).
Or be like Tenz, giving up duelist entirely.
at this point teams should just build a team full of flex players
playing multiple roles at a high skill level is pretty difficult
@@Go-yq9re uhh thats what flex players specialize in?
@@zelkraps5398 most flex players cant really play more than 2 roles
@@Go-yq9re then those aren't flex players
@@zelkraps5398 tell me 5 tier 1 flex players
DEMON 1
got fam issues rn a lot of stuff going on with his fiance kinda like how tenz wasn't able to perform due to kyedae
The thing I notice the most with demon1 and yay, they both have more lurky playstyles, I think if you put Demon1 on perma sentinel/smoke anchor, I think he'll do amazingly well, his playstyle is just not entry, jawg did that for him (as you said in the video)
Demon1 hasn't fallen from grace. He was always either jett or a smokes player last year. The exact same thing as he's doing on NRG. His team is just struggling because Ethan is new to the IGL role this season, so they don't have the trust to actually win attack rounds during the mid phase, when their plans don't go EXACTLY 100%
And that chamber clip of Cryo is when they won the Redbull Homeground during the pre-chamber nerf patch, where Neon thrived as the entry on Fracture
This is kinda why ardiis wasn't really that impactful on NRG. He was playing only Jett and KJ. Now he plays a lot more supportive and is doing much better on NAVI.
I like how this video doesn't really explained anything. But only just blamed Jett & Chamber nerfs like VCT is entirely like solo queue ranked.
Isn't what they all struggle is fighting utility with so many new initiators being prominent in the meta? Or mainly also because too many player-roster-base struggles mentally to keep up. Or the fact some of these players are going thru bad situations like their fiancee being terminally ill. (Demon1's fiancee atm)
Players like Tenz, nAts, Boostio, Boaster, Demon1, zekken, etc these kind of players are pretty vocal in their stream & explicitly share their thoughts on why they experience their current downfalls.
Agent changes doesn't have to be the real problem. Most usually you probably don't realize it could be just having a better coach.
Fr, Demon1 is not entirely the problem. Its NRG
something yay and demon1 both have in common is they both play low sens, which may have an play in why they dont succeed in chaotic & flicky environments
(fixed a typo)
ass take
Derke:"im still standing"
I was literally thinking about this the other day, it's like youtube knows...
Going off the 4 players in the thumbnail, none of them can play Raze at a high enough level.
Its so wild to me how the most effective way to play duelist changed over the years. But imma stay with Head first Jett. Loved it till day one.
lowkey an NA duelist issue
Aspas, Keznit, Derke, Jingg have been super consistent entry fraggers for years
ASPAS has always been the certified GOAT.
meanwhile, the goat of valorant still stands and will defeat GENG
aspas and friends vs gen g
Probably because utility usage had improved so much that you don't have to worry so much about a duelist defending a site.
No offense to the best duelists in town but you can only do so much when you're literally util dumped. It has gotten to a point where two to three pieces of utility is enough to take on a site and save the remaining ones for a site hold.
Yay needs a team around him that can win and work with him to be champs, like Yay has the talent, and experience to win a championship, it's going to be a matter of how yay can perform on his next team, I genuinely think Yay's agent tho is some dogshit because this guy really let Yay sign with C9 and DSG with bad deals on both teams.
yay had no choice lol like you dont need to be some genius to understand that yay just doesnt pass the eye test, especially if he's so hellbent on playing duelist those two teams were likely the only ones willing to actually sign him
can be said for so many valorant players tho.
@@wrekt2192 Sure, but these players have the experience to prove me right. Talent doesn’t mean you’re the best, but it does mean you have the potential to build the experience needed to be one. You got Demon1 and Yay who are both proven players, but yet people hate because they got fucked.
@@drew26 I mean people hate anyone who doesn't perform well. shouldnt be the case but it is. And since they aren't performing well statically they would be under th sword
Cryo is doing what demon1 doing last season, play jett and passive smoke like astra & brim. I think demon1 role or agent has never been an issue, its the team but yay clearly does have that issue
No the simple answer is these guys chased bags and went to a team that they had no chemistry with and couldn’t work well with, which can be best seen by yay going to c9 and demon1 going to nrg instead of staying at eg. I can almost assure you that their falloffs would’ve not been sooner if it weren’t for them leaving their teams
Yeah. They just thought it will be same with every team but clearly it wasn’t. Jawgemo was smart coz he already knew potter was a very good coach so he stayed and still pops off some crazy clutches even though his teammates play just fine. I agree with u.
great video keep up the good work!!
I don’t want to be that guy but demon1 had that 1 hot summer
I really wanna say that’s the case too but realistically look at the way he plays on nrg vs Eg it’s no joke that the coordination on nrg is god awful compared to that of eg. on Eg he was able to spread his wings and play the way he wanted to play but nrg it’s almost like he’s stuck I won’t say they’re holding him back but nrg has always been the problem in my eyes
@@SweetDreamrac They literally forced him to entry every single time, even though they stayed behind. They quite literally baited Demon1 multiple times in multiple matches. Also, forcing him to play an agent that he doesn't want to play doesn't help either.
He might have a winter next season though.
this basically explains aspas is the goat
demon1 aint even bad bro he just doesnt have the support to thrive this year.
Top tier malding
We heard this about yay too and look at where we are
@@n1ghtglare we also heard this about tenz lol man it all comes full circle
you're not that good of a player though if you require the whole team to revolves around you
thats why yay and demon1 fell off, they cant adapt to the meta and how the game is being played now
@@nadeshiko4149 sorry to break it to you literally every player other than aspas is like that tenz was horrible when sen were horrible now he's one of the best in his role.
Demon1 doesn’t play Raze, he has never been good at Raze, and he will never be good at Raze. He is way better on Brim on Bind or Fracture, where Raze is a must have. Jawgemo was always the Raze, but for some reason on NRG, they started the season with Demon1 on Raze. NRG switched too late in the season, and they didn’t have time for Victor to get re acclimated to Raze.
and then there is aspas
DERKE and ASPAS are the real GOATS,,,
they have been at the top from the beginning .
Well derke at the start of this year did look kinda bad ngl. Only recently he got back to being the derke we know and love
You forget to mention Something that switched to Gekko for majority of Madrid and play pretty well.
The fact opping gekko on attack works is absolutely hilarious
@@jojo6783f It's PRX, everything about them is hilarious.
They're the only team that see enemy invest 3 ult and say "a'ight Bet!!"
The fact zekken wasnt talked about much makes me sad
Zekken is one of the most interesting and dynamic superstars Valorant has. He deserves his own video
aspas: guess this video not for likes of us
it is, he lost 1-13 at shang hai and got sent home on the 2nd round
Its because they've nerfed the duelists so much that they need their teammates' utility most of the time now.
Great video brother.
Yay would probably fit in good with prx
Forsaken is the most consistent player there is right now . Bro never underperforms . Sadly nobody considers prx in these discussions coz they have no trophies
Forsaken is probably the best player in the world right now, he may not have extremely high kills like aspas, but he is the most versatile and always performs no matter what on any agent he played all the roles, making him the best of the best. Aspas is definitely best duelist and jing and derke are up there followed up by something
Faxxx . If a team of 5 Forsakens vs 5 aspass ever happens , Forsaken team would win easily
He always underperformed in important matches
this isnt a world problem its an NA problem
tenz plays smokes and just won a masters event not fading by any imagination of it
Forsaken - hold my beer 🍺
Because they're not Aspas
Forgot to add CNED
tenz was NOT an awper in cs lmao
3:04 💀
Only a problem for NA fanbois lol. Aspas and texture is doing so well, but just because they are not from NA they get less hype
If you really want to understand why demon1 is struggling go watch platoon
You hsve forgotten sick
So Raze is the best duelist?
Damn 2 views with 9 comments in 21 minutes he really fell off
Either Demon1 nor Yay is a duelist
Why are there only NA players on the video? Are there no more players around the world?
Only the NA duelists are washed 😂😂😂
great vid
It's simply because all dualist are getting their util nerfed
Being Top #1 is a curse actually
Aspas clears everyone
Lost my respet by promoting gear up 😢
this narrative of "the game is changing" is a really lazy blanket approach that should not be applied to both demon1 and yay. It can only be argued for yay, and more so tenz. The duelist meta has remained identical since demon1s god year. also saying that cryo had a resurgence due to him changing his playstyle simply isnt true. his playstyle is almost identical as its been, but the team is performing now due to the roster changes. lazy hw.
duelist role in general is just kill and run lmao, literally low skill needed to do stuff (aspas is an exception cuz he's the goat lmao)
it will make difference if you approach or USE duelist as a team player, utility is the most important part for this game, if you can use duelist with a good control of its utilities, I'm pretty sure you can flex too, take a look at Forsaken, alfajer, and victor, their util usage is so fucking good, that's why they do well with duelist role
this is why Tenz is my goat. he went from the top duelist to a duelist having problems adapting to the changes of the game to playing a new role entirely and having such a big impact.
mid
Please stop spreading the misinformation that somehow Chamber would be a duelist. you're literally explaining yourself that the purpose of a duelist is to gain space for his team. How exactly does Chamber fit into this category? he is INCAPABLE of taking space. his kit is defensive, it helps FALLING BACK, not creating space! sure, Chamber has a kit that favors taking fights, but this does not make him a duelist. his ult is an op, the ultimate defensive weapon, he has slows, stall abilities (all defense)...
not a duelist!!
lurk role + fns calling things that make sense = chamber taking first contact often on attack thus "creating space"
@@aerose5868 following this logic, Sova throwing an recon arrow in A main is "creating space", Omen smoking top mid is "creating space", any agent taking a 50/50 dry peek ego fight and winning it is "creating space".
When talking about a duelist, creating space means creating chaos, through your abilities, in an execute. Be the tip of the spear... none of Chamber's kit is capable of doing any of this. have you ever seen an execute where Chamber's ability are the trigger that create the chaos allowing your team to take site? no... because he's not a duelist!
what you all mean to say, is that Chamber is an excellent first contact. and you'd be right, he's the best at it, only rivaled by Reyna and Jett. but first contact and entry aren't the same thing, and while duelists can be both, Chamber really really isn't an entry at all... which is literally the primary role expected to be filled by a duelist.
@@sebastienaguila2107 chamber is hands down the best first contact in the game and believe it or not pro play isnt played like ranked and we dont just run it down every round.
obviously chamber isnt a duelist but he really isnt a senti either. his trip is horrible and his tp can be used so aggressively on defence its basically just a rechargable jett dash with no wind up needed. he is literally a gun with a shitty trip and a jett dash that recharges.
yay played chamber best because he was actually able to get value on lurks as he won literally every raw 50/50. Senti is often top frag and should be that way.
non entry duelists are out of style right now
@@aerose5868 Seems to me like we're in agreement, we just apparently have a different definition for duelist.
yes, Chamber and Yay both are excellent at lurking and converting 50/50s on attack, yes they're both excellent at disrupting an execute on defense by getting a quick kill and disapearing, yes, Jett is also very good at this. but the fundamentals of a duelist, the one thing they ALL share is their ability to create space and chaos, which even non dive duelist can do in their own style. Yes, they are out of style, becvause they are less good at it, but they still share the trait.(Phoenix can isolate fights and flash them, even iso can vulnerable is potential next fight), Chamber is lacking there... imo the number one role to be filled by duelist.
being able to exploit off angles and get out on defense the way Chamber, Jett or Reyna does isn't a fundamental of duelists, otherwise, more duelist would have it, not just 2 out of the 7 in game currently...
literally half the agents in the game are better at entrying than Chamber is, because they have some sort of util to help. Omen, Fade, breach, Kay/o, Gekko, and every single duelist in the game beat him there...
@@sebastienaguila2107 there are "first contact" duelists and space taking duelists. chamber is simply a first contact duelist after the trip nerf.
every character in the game has the ability to cause chaos and not every duelist can create space in most scenarios. iso useless reyna useless at taking space
all but aspas💀
aspas lost 1-13 to fut 💀
anyone who has used gearup, does it actually do anything?
Everyone that plays against Aspas just get washed
NRG has a coach issue
Yay. Yay demon1, need some better team. Bruh.
Maybe put them on TS TEAM.
I MEAN JERMY pop-off soo good because of his teammates. This one of the reason why he still in shrouded if he is really that good as a duelist.
This got recommended after prx got grouped :/ Even jingg also fell off
With jingg it's more of he was not practicing with team till stage 1 and raze getting nerfed didn't help him
this is a comment before the video starts. Really hope you point out the real reason demon1 didnt make it and thats his confidence turned arrogance. You cant get on stage after winning champs say you are the best player in the world and then stop practicing...
only Leo bro, only Leo.
demon1 NRG just need a real igl still think old NRG roaster was better they just needed demon1 instead of Ardis
Great video handsome!
Valorant is honestly becoming slowly like overwatch
Aspas the 🐐
You overcooked bro ngl
8:13 W name
Dw we got aspas and friends (lev)
Bring pearl back
Let's bully and pick on this guy exclusively
How much is your career carried by a broken agent that has a busted get out of jail free card ability?
Yay: Yes
All of the them are NA
since when Yay is a top tier duelist player? Unlike Demon1, he never was a top tier duelist even on Jett, he only ever good on Chamber
do u see a pattern most of them are frm Na
not aspas!
clove is the solution for yay and demon1
Man I dont care abt gearup I play 5 ping
I feel like PRX has to many duelist and not that many flex if it was me I keep monyeet remove something and jingg bring back benkai bro sorry but forsekan can be the Jett if there’s a need for it but my primary duelist is monyet he can pay raze and neon Or omen or Astra,
Honestly, it’s not a player problem, it’s a game problem, the meta is too stale, pro teams can easily expect plays/counter plays, cause they’re very repetitive and it all just comes down to who gets shot first in whatever way, either 1 player doesn’t check a corner or doesn’t expect someone in a particular position, resulting in him getting picked off and the other team can just use that to add rounds to themselves. Valorant has become a timing based/split second decision making game, nothing more creative to get about it in pro play, riot needs to do something about it.
Aspas >>>
Tenz evolved to controller 😂
nah he is a flex
yay's career fell off so hard man 😔
Yay and Demon1 doesn’t have the skill to adapt, they were never good just lucky they got to play in an era that suits them
Be realistic man. Demon1 was lucky sure with coach like potter and good teammates but his aim and skill was real. And He still has that aim.