Its your coach… he doesn’t play the best line ups, subs EVERY horn for we don’t know whyyyy, his such a suck up Coleman who wouldn’t score in a brothel like man don’t blame the talent TANG brought in. Let’s be Fr tang is a bad coach still living off that elite 8 run that he had nothing to do with. We can tell that now. It was all marquis. Tang should pay him NOW til he steps out of MHK.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.... NIL and transfer portal are killing college sports. And yes, expectations increase and cause fans to be upset. This also happened during this football season!
The brand new team every year just isn't sustainable. Build your core with HS kids and use NIL $ to keep them around and maybe get 1 or 2 guys to fill holes. The teams that have made the Final 4 or won it all tend to be teams that aren't just old, but where most of the team grew old together.
I couldn’t have said this better myself. Trying to build winning championship caliber teams solely through the t.p. nowadays is a crapshoot. Yes, coaches & teams can get lucky and it can be done (Tang’s first year) but trying to do it on a year-to-year basis and constantly reloading without any foundational players is detrimental to a program’s culture and the team’s overall growth & chemistry. Under KSU’s previous coaching regime, Weber’s most successful teams consisted of older veteran players that had endured & experienced the growing pains of inconsistency & losing before they learned how to compete & win. Gotta have multiple core players that are willing to stay with the program and grow with their coaching staffs. Baylor’s championship team back in 2021 had 3-4 core guys that were with Drew & Tang multiple seasons. Heck, even our rivals east of I-70 (KU) are struggling with this very issue, and their final four & championship teams had multi-year veterans that helped carry them. This NIL & Transfer Portal landscape is chaotic and just not good for the health, growth and sustainability of many bball programs.
Exactly. I was saying this a week ago as well. Invest in keeping the core and maybe bring in one impact guy per year where you're thin. Use NIL to retain talent. Coach said the way to build a program is to get old and stay old. Experience and culture matter in college athletics.
@@Pantone268Plus I think it would also help with with players being more "all in" with the team as well as greater fan support. There has been so much roster turnover, that I have literally forgotten the names of players on last year's team.
Bingo. He elevated (his words) expectations and was promising a "parade", very soon. We are going backwards. If you're going to talk like that, and sell a fanbase like a salesman would, then you can't go to the NIT, 2 years in a row, with huge roster turnover and a big payroll. He did, in fact create higher expectations, and year 1 was Fools gold created by 2 studs.
I’ll admit, I was an advocate of college athletes getting paid, i didn’t think it would be like this I was thinking along the lines of all college athletes getting the exact same amount per year like 50k or so I mean it’s basically a job they have to be committed to but this NIL thing is crap, particularly male college players don’t care anymore about effort now or winning all they care about is collecting the bag. In my opinion Coleman Hawkins should be next he’s robbing us of $2M and has played like garbage so far. Where’s the effort? Where’s the passion to play? Where’s the respect for the coaches? The women’s side don’t have that issue regardless of how they get paid they put forth the effort, they show passion, they show respect. Hell I bet Women’s College Basketball players are getting paid for then they would in the WNBA!
@@ridgemcdonald3078 Totally agree. He does need to work some on defense. For those whining he gave up the last shot against Drake in OT, but if the Drake kid did miss and Brendan fouled him, then people would whine about that. He's the best shooter on the team. Period.
First off I agree Fitz. However, looking around college basketball I do seem multiple programs trying and failing to succeed in this new NIL era. Even blue blood teams; take KU for instance. This new era borderlines on insane and I don't think anyone understands how to get the job done. Hell I think some teams with no NIL money may rise above the ones with simply because of continuity within there program.
Effort will beat Drake. Will it be sustainable. I have seen bad locker room teams in all sports rise up once in a “see I told you” game but not sustain it.
We will get outcoached by Drake. NW Missouri State's old coach is their HC. I'd wager to say the talent level is similar too. I don't have a good feeling about this game or this program. Tang needs a miracle or this fanbase will move on. Then, it will be our fault after the sales job he did, and fooling GT into more $. Can't wait.
It's not a coach problem, it is a player problem. Are the portal players getting the NIL money up front? Then leaving to another school for more NIL money. Do these contracts have attendance, performance, sportsmanship, and morality clauses in them?
I've said this many times, and I'll say it again. I'm still waiting for this staff to prove year 1 succes was coaching and not Nowell and Johnson driving the bus. The longer this goes, the more I am convinced that fake argument no look alleyoop to Johnson was not fake at all. It was actually Nowell telling Tang to stay out of his business and let him run the show.
I’m losing a ton of faith in this staff… we can’t seem to put out a competent offense! Watch any other big 12 school they are all like well oiled machines and we look like a wet diaper
I find it interesting the harshest critics of Tang give football a freebie for everything that goes wrong. The hatred some have for Tang goes beyond basketball.
With all due respect, Coach Klieman and his coordinators (especially the OCs) have been getting heat from fans this season, as well. I think it has more to do with expectations than anything else. Both football and men's basketball had high expectations, going in. Hopefully, Coach Tang can get these guys playing better as we enter the tougher portion of the schedule.
How stupid. Klieman doesn't run his mouth, making promises, then fall flat on his face. Klieman doesn't allow current key players to leave because he'd rather pay the next "dude", who isn't any better than the dude he let walk, then preach how your program is about developing. Developing what? It ain't players. Klieman and Tang aren't the same. One is a coach and one is a salesman.
Meanwhile the gals are playing well so may be the team to watch. Feel like the guys haven't come together yet, and they need to start playing like a team. Not all on Tang, I think it's what is available to get and especially the players mindset and concentration. And tired of the NIL, it's ruining college sports. Again, the family is being bought and paid for and that's not what family is supposed to mean.
I do that with my 15 yrs old. Base pay is his allowance for doing basic household chores. Tonight he made $22 scoring 14 pts and several assists in 6A freshman A team. He loves our little arrangement, lol
He needs to be a Phil Jackson style HC and get someone in here who knows basketball schemes and how to make pieces fit and his job is to be the relationship guy who gets the players to buy in.
@@Facee3k Who he has coached only tells me how he can recruit, not what he can coach. At this level it’s getting the Jimmies and Joes to actually X and O to win big.
@@Facee3k Perry was expected to be as solid Xs and Os coach who could bring guys in from his program. He's done neither and the offense is far worse than it was in year 1. He's near the top of my replacement list on this staff.
I don’t understand this mentality that our team sucked last year so they would of sucked this year. It’s called development Jerome! The 2013 Royals weren’t good but they developed and won the World Series in 2015!
That's the problem. There's no development of college basketball players anymore. We've had at least 80% turnover rate every year since NIL. Can't develop if you only hang onto 2 kids.
Unfortunately, this group is NOT a team😢. It’s a group of individuals playing for the individual. It’s almost like Daniel Snyders Redskins when he put that high dollar Allstar roster together and they went out and stunk up the NFL.
Nil and the transfer portal are killing college basketball. It is like a semi-pro League now. I think there needs to be a cap on the money they are allowed and perhaps a certain percentage based on performance.
All of it should be performance based. Just make it stair-stepped. You get more when you perform at a higher level. These guys are being paid based on what they've done elsewhere, that's the wrong attitude. “I'm not paying you for the player you used to be, I'm paying you for the player you are right now.”
This NIL IS GOING TO BE THE CAUSE OF MANY COLLEGE TEAMS GOING DOWN. A DISASTER AS THE CURRENT NIL RULES EXIST. DESTROYS PLAYERS AND FANS LOYALTY TO MOST SCHOOLS!
Yep it’s a no brainer.. Tang stays period. This is year 3 folks.. with a deep tourney run in year 1. They’ve got this under control.. mark my words. ruclips.net/video/etEfvfYqOJg/видео.htmlsi=dqeVMTGmc4X0PANZ
As usual Fitz spouts a lot of words but says very little beyond the blatantly obvious. Achor was completely lost on defense and sn ondifferent tebounder. Yhat easnt going to change this year and highky unlikely his attitudes improves sitting on yhr bench.
In my humble fan opinion we’ve got a bunch of well paid portal guys who don’t really want to be in Manhattan. They just took the money and that’s it.
It really does feel that way… they look so disintrested
Its your coach… he doesn’t play the best line ups, subs EVERY horn for we don’t know whyyyy, his such a suck up Coleman who wouldn’t score in a brothel like man don’t blame the talent TANG brought in. Let’s be Fr tang is a bad coach still living off that elite 8 run that he had nothing to do with. We can tell that now. It was all marquis. Tang should pay him NOW til he steps out of MHK.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.... NIL and transfer portal are killing college sports. And yes, expectations increase and cause fans to be upset. This also happened during this football season!
The brand new team every year just isn't sustainable.
Build your core with HS kids and use NIL $ to keep them around and maybe get 1 or 2 guys to fill holes.
The teams that have made the Final 4 or won it all tend to be teams that aren't just old, but where most of the team grew old together.
Exactly!
I couldn’t have said this better myself. Trying to build winning championship caliber teams solely through the t.p. nowadays is a crapshoot. Yes, coaches & teams can get lucky and it can be done (Tang’s first year) but trying to do it on a year-to-year basis and constantly reloading without any foundational players is detrimental to a program’s culture and the team’s overall growth & chemistry. Under KSU’s previous coaching regime, Weber’s most successful teams consisted of older veteran players that had endured & experienced the growing pains of inconsistency & losing before they learned how to compete & win. Gotta have multiple core players that are willing to stay with the program and grow with their coaching staffs. Baylor’s championship team back in 2021 had 3-4 core guys that were with Drew & Tang multiple seasons. Heck, even our rivals east of I-70 (KU) are struggling with this very issue, and their final four & championship teams had multi-year veterans that helped carry them. This NIL & Transfer Portal landscape is chaotic and just not good for the health, growth and sustainability of many bball programs.
Exactly. I was saying this a week ago as well. Invest in keeping the core and maybe bring in one impact guy per year where you're thin. Use NIL to retain talent.
Coach said the way to build a program is to get old and stay old. Experience and culture matter in college athletics.
Yep!
@@Pantone268Plus I think it would also help with with players being more "all in" with the team as well as greater fan support. There has been so much roster turnover, that I have literally forgotten the names of players on last year's team.
Bingo. He elevated (his words) expectations and was promising a "parade", very soon. We are going backwards. If you're going to talk like that, and sell a fanbase like a salesman would, then you can't go to the NIT, 2 years in a row, with huge roster turnover and a big payroll. He did, in fact create higher expectations, and year 1 was Fools gold created by 2 studs.
Commitment and Integrity can not be bought with MONEY. It can be rewarded at best. MONEY BALL doesn't work at the college level.
That's what they said about MLB.
I’ll admit, I was an advocate of college athletes getting paid, i didn’t think it would be like this I was thinking along the lines of all college athletes getting the exact same amount per year like 50k or so I mean it’s basically a job they have to be committed to but this NIL thing is crap, particularly male college players don’t care anymore about effort now or winning all they care about is collecting the bag. In my opinion Coleman Hawkins should be next he’s robbing us of $2M and has played like garbage so far. Where’s the effort? Where’s the passion to play? Where’s the respect for the coaches? The women’s side don’t have that issue regardless of how they get paid they put forth the effort, they show passion, they show respect. Hell I bet Women’s College Basketball players are getting paid for then they would in the WNBA!
Unintended consequences. Getting free education, free food and board not enough for you??? How about one "free" transfer per 4 years.
Buddy and David are the most fun players to watch on the floor right now and there’s a correlation there.
I disagree. Brendan Hausen first half against SJ. Kid couldn’t miss.
@@ridgemcdonald3078 Totally agree. He does need to work some on defense. For those whining he gave up the last shot against Drake in OT, but if the Drake kid did miss and Brendan fouled him, then people would whine about that. He's the best shooter on the team. Period.
First off I agree Fitz. However, looking around college basketball I do seem multiple programs trying and failing to succeed in this new NIL era. Even blue blood teams; take KU for instance. This new era borderlines on insane and I don't think anyone understands how to get the job done. Hell I think some teams with no NIL money may
rise above the ones with simply because of continuity within there program.
Morning Fitz😀
Effort will beat Drake. Will it be sustainable. I have seen bad locker room teams in all sports rise up once in a “see I told you” game but not sustain it.
We will get outcoached by Drake. NW Missouri State's old coach is their HC. I'd wager to say the talent level is similar too. I don't have a good feeling about this game or this program. Tang needs a miracle or this fanbase will move on. Then, it will be our fault after the sales job he did, and fooling GT into more $. Can't wait.
It's not a coach problem, it is a player problem. Are the portal players getting the NIL money up front? Then leaving to another school for more NIL money. Do these contracts have attendance, performance, sportsmanship, and morality clauses in them?
They’re both must win to me… if we can’t beat Drake and WSU readily what’s the point?
Drake is undefeated. Theyve beaten Muami, Vanderbilt, Florida Atlantic, etc. I don't see kstate beating them.
@@jimreeves5212 I agree but that’s the state we’re in… we are an ugly team 2 years now.
@@physicsfaith I'm ignorant on play for pay, but smaller schools like us in the B12 need more than just $ for some of these players.
@@jimreeves5212 true. There isn’t much to draw “big city” players to a town 60 miles west of Topeka… therein lies the challenge.
“From here on out expect to lose”
What happened to the days of honoring your recruiting contract!
I've said this many times, and I'll say it again. I'm still waiting for this staff to prove year 1 succes was coaching and not Nowell and Johnson driving the bus. The longer this goes, the more I am convinced that fake argument no look alleyoop to Johnson was not fake at all. It was actually Nowell telling Tang to stay out of his business and let him run the show.
Coleman Hawkins is odd… and not in an endearing way. He is not a leader.
I’m losing a ton of faith in this staff… we can’t seem to put out a competent offense! Watch any other big 12 school they are all like well oiled machines and we look like a wet diaper
Agree 100%! NIL and the transfer portal is destroying college Athletics!
Hmmm, my comments appear to be deleted? Google censoring??
Same boat
On this video? This is the first time I've visited the comments on the video so if, yes, that's a bit alarming.
Google, "It's not a Bug....It's a Feature." 😁
Happens all the time
I find it interesting the harshest critics of Tang give football a freebie for everything that goes wrong. The hatred some have for Tang goes beyond basketball.
With all due respect, Coach Klieman and his coordinators (especially the OCs) have been getting heat from fans this season, as well. I think it has more to do with expectations than anything else. Both football and men's basketball had high expectations, going in. Hopefully, Coach Tang can get these guys playing better as we enter the tougher portion of the schedule.
How stupid. Klieman doesn't run his mouth, making promises, then fall flat on his face. Klieman doesn't allow current key players to leave because he'd rather pay the next "dude", who isn't any better than the dude he let walk, then preach how your program is about developing. Developing what? It ain't players. Klieman and Tang aren't the same. One is a coach and one is a salesman.
Meanwhile the gals are playing well so may be the team to watch. Feel like the guys haven't come together yet, and they need to start playing like a team. Not all on Tang, I think it's what is available to get and especially the players mindset and concentration. And tired of the NIL, it's ruining college sports. Again, the family is being bought and paid for and that's not what family is supposed to mean.
Coleman Hawkins is no Keyontae Johnson
He isn't even Will McNair.
Start paying NIL with a base amount and the rest on a per game performance. Nah, that won't work. 🤔
Exactly right 👍
I do that with my 15 yrs old. Base pay is his allowance for doing basic household chores. Tonight he made $22 scoring 14 pts and several assists in 6A freshman A team. He loves our little arrangement, lol
👍
He needs to be a Phil Jackson style HC and get someone in here who knows basketball schemes and how to make pieces fit and his job is to be the relationship guy who gets the players to buy in.
He has Mokan elite coach P. Look em up & who he has coached
@@Facee3k Who he has coached only tells me how he can recruit, not what he can coach.
At this level it’s getting the Jimmies and Joes to actually X and O to win big.
@@Facee3k Perry was expected to be as solid Xs and Os coach who could bring guys in from his program. He's done neither and the offense is far worse than it was in year 1. He's near the top of my replacement list on this staff.
I don’t understand this mentality that our team sucked last year so they would of sucked this year. It’s called development Jerome! The 2013 Royals weren’t good but they developed and won the World Series in 2015!
That's the problem. There's no development of college basketball players anymore. We've had at least 80% turnover rate every year since NIL. Can't develop if you only hang onto 2 kids.
@ recruit players who want to stay
Hmmm...
Unfortunately, this group is NOT a team😢. It’s a group of individuals playing for the individual. It’s almost like Daniel Snyders Redskins when he put that high dollar Allstar roster together and they went out and stunk up the NFL.
Nil and the transfer portal are killing college basketball. It is like a semi-pro League now. I think there needs to be a cap on the money they are allowed and perhaps a certain percentage based on performance.
All of it should be performance based. Just make it stair-stepped. You get more when you perform at a higher level. These guys are being paid based on what they've done elsewhere, that's the wrong attitude.
“I'm not paying you for the player you used to be, I'm paying you for the player you are right now.”
This NIL IS GOING TO BE THE CAUSE OF MANY COLLEGE TEAMS GOING DOWN. A DISASTER AS THE CURRENT NIL RULES EXIST. DESTROYS PLAYERS AND FANS LOYALTY TO MOST SCHOOLS!
Tang's team is going to get cooked in the big 12.
Yep it’s a no brainer.. Tang stays period. This is year 3 folks.. with a deep tourney run in year 1. They’ve got this under control.. mark my words.
ruclips.net/video/etEfvfYqOJg/видео.htmlsi=dqeVMTGmc4X0PANZ
That ncaa run had NOTHING to do with tang.
What about the expectations he places on his players off the court? It seems he's running the program like a convent. Big talent drain every year.
@@stevesims2243 yeah… expecting the guys to study. That’s so droll…
Not treating players like everything they touch turns into gold is a requirement.
Factor in the entitlement attitude and it's not good at all!
As usual Fitz spouts a lot of words but says very little beyond the blatantly obvious. Achor was completely lost on defense and sn ondifferent tebounder. Yhat easnt going to change this year and highky unlikely his attitudes improves sitting on yhr bench.