This is the only video on the net which shows you what Tav needs to say to avoid a breakup! So thank you, Creator! But here are the sequential dialogue steps for the impatient people: - I hope you’re alright - you can still throw your body at me anytime. - Are you not attracted to me, is that it? - How do you want me to see you? - I care about you - Open your mind so he can see how much you care OR - Hug him (better, in my opinion)
@@crispysquidoftheacidcats295 wait, that's an option? I assumed it's a quest reward, not an item in her inventory. In any case, i tend to agree more with the "It's your choice, but we could REALLY use that potion". Because a stronger fighter/barbarian/paladin/monk is worth a little disgust. We're fighting for our lives, not our dignity.
@westenev I think it's less about dignity and more about not losing what you stand for, the reason you are fighting to live. because if you lose yourself "for the good of the quest" what's worth living when you have nothing to go back to?
TBF, there is a neutral option that leads to him doing it where you just say the potion would be really useful but you want him to decide. I don't know if that effects the aftermath or not, but I think it was fair if Tav says that, that Tav just didn't realize he would feel like he had to do it. If Tav did use the pushy dialogue, though, then yeah... It's so great to see him stand up for himself and break it off.
@@ANPC-pi9vu I don't know. For me, I think Tav knows EXACTLY what they're doing when they say "BUT we could really use that potion...". I have a guardian who talks like that, making you feel like "It's up to you, BUT XYZ...", meaning they're going to be very unhappy if you don't choose their way. I think it's just gaslighting and manipulation, in my opinion. Couldn't agree more! It's so rewarding to see Astarion finally stand up for himself because he realizes what HE wants matters, if not to anyone else, then to HIM.
@@manaspajamas5071 It's the potion-version of saying no to your partner and they say, "That's okay. You don't have to. But if you really cared about me, then..." The lines and body language in the scene with Arja and after show that he gets still thrown back into a mindset that makes him ask a master/authority figure for approval. The body language when he explains that the blood smells vile is a mix of submissive and pleading. Asking him, "Wait, you [who's always about power this, power that] don't want to take this opportunity?" makes sense. But following up with, "It's okay if you don't want. We could really, really use this potion, though...but well, if you're too precious about it..." after he explained that he really doesn't want to and why is coercion.
Unfortunately, a lot of people who are SA'd (especially repeatedly) develop hypersexuality as an attempted coping mechanism 😔 sometimes they don't even realize it. They rationalize it that, if they're always saying yes, they can't be assaulted. If there's never a 'no', you 'can't' be retraumatized by your no being ignored. It's terribly sad, and causes a lot of the symptoms he obviously has - low self esteem, depression, and difficulty forming meaningful relationships with others. Oof 😔
The instant he said "I gave you my answer" to Araj, I wasn't physically able to push him into biting her. I hovered over the option, but I felt so icky inside thinking about what that would mean for Astarion. It's been a really long time since a video game has made me care about a character to this extent. I just want to put a warm blanket over the guy and tell him it's gonna be okay 😭
Even though you can save the romance here, which I did at first it felt off to me. Then literally like the next day my Tav got her brain probes by that half-orc and to distract her from realizing she wasn’t loyal pictured lustful images of Astarion (cause I didn’t see a better option) and this was right after he said he didn’t want to thought of as a sex object. Weirdly he still gives approval as a response, but that was like the mail in the coffin to me here, and I loaded a save from a hours back where I just stick to my guts on saying no to the bite. I only did it in the first place after I realized you could not kill the drow and take it from her corpse(assume you can’t pickpocket it either since she has a shop and it’s not for sale). I looked online and mistakenly believed you only got a a scene for biting and that there was nothing for saying no so I also thought I’d make out on content. Anyway I feel better that I reloaded. Now it feels more normal the romance and I discovered new stuff in the tower so win-win.
TBF, feeling those feelings is natural. He just doesn't want to be treated as a sex object. Doesn't mean you aren't allowed to be lusty as long as you respect his boundaries and don't make it his problem.
yesterday I found a way how to both get the potion and him not being angry, etc.. but it's more of an oversight by the devs. I expected there's going to be some sort of backlash but isn't which there should be imo (even though this is less important than getting to know what his scars mean). I would not do this normally (in my standard run I never force him), this was purely testing what's going to happen. you just need to take a long rest immediately as you enter moonrise to trigger the standard confession and only afterwards go to Araj. I chose the less "aggressive" options - 'I'm surprised, I thought you'd jump at this opportunity' and then 'the potion could be useful'.. he disapproved, bit her, but there was no real outburst from him at all. my approval was still exceptional, even his romantic greetings were there.
This actually makes some sense since you likely established an understanding during the confession and so when you told him it's his choice he didn't hold it against you that you wanted the potion, because he felt like he was truly making the choice himself in this case. Just a theory. There could just be some alternate version of the aftermath that doesn't trigger, as the devs said there's actually 'lost content' that they are working on restoring that is due to bugs.
Wait, THAT'S the choice for it to actually work?! Like, I'm glad that there is a way, but why wouldnt it be genuinely seeing your fault in it and apologising from the start? That's so weird
Yeah, the game suddenly segways into the dialogue at the ending of the confession scene you can get even prior to meeting Araj the drow. Starting with the "You can open your mind to him to let him see you care" and then the handholding. I don't think that was previously there if you had forced him to bite Araj? Maybe people had complained that there was no way to have the potion _and_ prevent Astarion from breaking up with Tav if you forced him to bite her for the potion, so Larian added a way to talk him out of the breakup? But honestly I don't think it should be _that_ easy... if a player used Astarion to get the potion despite Astarion's obvious discomfort and loathing of her blood, the player should accept the consequences. And not making him forget what he said just a minute earlier, that you pushed him to do it.
And I wonder what happens if a player already had triggered Astarion's love confession scene with the hug prior to even meeting Araj (because that is possible if you already have very high approval from Astarion in Act 2), but then forced him to drink Araj's blood? Giving the player part of the same scene as a way to wiggle out of the break-up would be weird.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog I tried it out of curiousity. Nothing happens. No reaction about it, not even to talk about his disgust. Kinda sad. We lose a lot of insight cuz of that
I think it’s because you divert the conversation a bit from who’s to blame to talking about how you see him, so I guess he doesn’t come to the conclusion that you pushed him/used him. Or at least you get to a point where you can show you do care and maybe he forgives you? You’d think you could tell him that it was a mistake that would would never ask something like that again for him, but that’s not an option I guess. It’s definitely not something I’d have thought would work at first. It feels like such a bad response to him saying he was using to being thrown and used to say something like that. It rubbed me the wrong way, so I just reloaded an old save and just let him refuse to drink. I didn’t need that potion anyway. I know that the drow comes back later in the story, I wonder how he reacts if you are still in a romance and you let him drink.
I could never make myself do that, even just to see what the other options are. I told the drow there was nothing to discuss. He made his choice already, and a no is a no. The "Thank You" scene was heartbreaking enough, especially his realization that he's a person and not a thing to be used.
Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss. My evil drow durge approves. During the romance scenes, she basically took the neutral-nice options, telling him what he felt he needed to hear. Pushing buttons. Being his new Cazador. Except she doesn’t share him, so it’s objectively „better“. And the way he tried to please her after ascension finally satisfied her massive ego. Evil power couple is op. ^^;
you can get a pretty bad reaction out of him also when you break Yurgir’s contract. he yells at you that you chose the devil over him and the options to reason are real bad. I tried what happens and even though my approval was still exceptional, he didn’t break up with me officially but the option to talk about us was gone so I couldn’t kiss him and his greeting lines were back on a friend level (my favourite travelling companion, my friend).. it felt like it bugged out or sth.. it just doesn’t give a clear indication the relationship is over.. but anyway breaking the contract is not worth it one way or another. has anyone tried that?
@@bangtanluverthat happens when you choose no i won’t help you. you have to pick if i help you all these people will be killed which then opens up one immediate persuasion check and insight which if you pass gives you another persuasion check. the first is 18 and the one after insight is 15. to actually have ‘if i help you it will kill all these people’ you need to let him talk to Sebastian, do not cut the convo short. otherwise you lose the possibility to reason with him. which makes sense.
the exact same thing happened to me when i chose to help yugir! we hadn't officially broken up, and his approval rating of me was still high, but the romantic dialogue options were gone
I like how complex these emotions can be, you can justifiably be dumped or you can make a genuine mistake and talk him through it. I like to imagine Tav feels guilty and keeps it in the back of their mind. This game’s writing!
may be justified, but there could be alternatives. and i wouldnt say its a mistake since youre helping araj with a cost. all things happen for a reason. a double edged sword, but here both parties benefit.
Когда он говорит о том, что Тав на него надавила, у него такая интонация в голосе...я бы не сказала, что прям угрожающая, но пугающая почему-то. Как если бы ты заслужил доверие безжалостного маньяка-манипулятора, а потом сделал один неверный шаг и теперь ты больше никогда не будешь уверен в своей безопасности. И ощущение какое-то появляется, словно уже не он с тобой, а ты с ним :"))))
This fucking happened to me too. At first I said no to the drow when she asked Astarion to bite her. Then I realized the potion gives +2 strength and reloaded. Felt bad about forcing Astarion to bite her. Then I just went to rescue the tieflings and gnomes and did some other stuff too until finally long resting and this scene pops up. I managed to let him not end the relationship with my stupid ass Tav but felt so bad about it that I guess I have to reload a save and do the tiefling rescuing crap all over again and sacrifice that +2 strength potion. 🤭 It's funny what a video game can do to you. 😅
For drama. I love the drama. This really stirred up msjor conflict and self reflection between the two and us players as well. But it pains my heart to see Astarion this hurt 😢😢😢
"I hope you're all right." "You can still throw your body at me, any time." "Are you not attracted to me? Is that it?" "How do you want me to see you?" "I care about you." "Hug him."
Does it depend on approval or just dialogue choices? Because I saw people commenting that if you force him to bite her he might even permanently leave the party, not mentioning breaking off the romance?
@@Nirraart I don't know if youtube allows links in comments I don't think so but I found an article on a website called gamerguides that confirms the dialogue choices you picked, I guess it's the only correct choice to get through the dialogue.
So, at first he breaks up with you no matter what, and then later you will have a conversation where you can get him back by showing you care? Is that what this means? I'm a little confused.
Yeah this is why romancing astarion is so not worth it. Having to deal with all his whining and then not getting the potion? There is just so much things he wants and we get very little in return.
Ummm so which choice was it then that keeps in with you? You just kept exploring the various choices without pointing out the right one… worst thing is you kept the subtitles in russian
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This is the only video on the net which shows you what Tav needs to say to avoid a breakup! So thank you, Creator!
But here are the sequential dialogue steps for the impatient people:
- I hope you’re alright
- you can still throw your body at me anytime.
- Are you not attracted to me, is that it?
- How do you want me to see you?
- I care about you
- Open your mind so he can see how much you care
OR
- Hug him (better, in my opinion)
You are a hero for uploading this 🙏
When he said he didn't want to just be seen as a sex object, but as a person, I had to stop myself from crying... Astariooooon!!! 😭😭😭
Being dumped by Astarion while he is completely in the right because Tav is being awful here is just pure pain.
Soooo true! T.T
B-but we needed that potion so I could get Karlach to 22 str! ;-;
@@westenev just steal it. it's not worth forcing someone to do something they are freaking over. basic morals.
@@crispysquidoftheacidcats295 wait, that's an option? I assumed it's a quest reward, not an item in her inventory.
In any case, i tend to agree more with the "It's your choice, but we could REALLY use that potion". Because a stronger fighter/barbarian/paladin/monk is worth a little disgust. We're fighting for our lives, not our dignity.
@westenev I think it's less about dignity and more about not losing what you stand for, the reason you are fighting to live. because if you lose yourself "for the good of the quest" what's worth living when you have nothing to go back to?
“I want to be seen As a person, would that be so much to ask” NO ASTARION NO ITS NOT 😭
Its like hes lying to himself that it was his choice and he wanted it and hes okay with it. Its like we are gaslighting him omg noooo
TBF, there is a neutral option that leads to him doing it where you just say the potion would be really useful but you want him to decide. I don't know if that effects the aftermath or not, but I think it was fair if Tav says that, that Tav just didn't realize he would feel like he had to do it. If Tav did use the pushy dialogue, though, then yeah... It's so great to see him stand up for himself and break it off.
@@ANPC-pi9vu I don't know. For me, I think Tav knows EXACTLY what they're doing when they say "BUT we could really use that potion...". I have a guardian who talks like that, making you feel like "It's up to you, BUT XYZ...", meaning they're going to be very unhappy if you don't choose their way. I think it's just gaslighting and manipulation, in my opinion.
Couldn't agree more! It's so rewarding to see Astarion finally stand up for himself because he realizes what HE wants matters, if not to anyone else, then to HIM.
I mean. I told him prior that it's his choice in the end, but it would be really nice if he did. He chose to do it and then complains about it...twat.
@@manaspajamas5071 It's the potion-version of saying no to your partner and they say, "That's okay. You don't have to. But if you really cared about me, then..."
The lines and body language in the scene with Arja and after show that he gets still thrown back into a mindset that makes him ask a master/authority figure for approval. The body language when he explains that the blood smells vile is a mix of submissive and pleading.
Asking him, "Wait, you [who's always about power this, power that] don't want to take this opportunity?" makes sense.
But following up with, "It's okay if you don't want. We could really, really use this potion, though...but well, if you're too precious about it..." after he explained that he really doesn't want to and why is coercion.
Unfortunately, a lot of people who are SA'd (especially repeatedly) develop hypersexuality as an attempted coping mechanism 😔 sometimes they don't even realize it. They rationalize it that, if they're always saying yes, they can't be assaulted. If there's never a 'no', you 'can't' be retraumatized by your no being ignored. It's terribly sad, and causes a lot of the symptoms he obviously has - low self esteem, depression, and difficulty forming meaningful relationships with others. Oof 😔
THank you for adding English translations to the Tav dialogue options.
listen, i just want to wrap him in a blanket like a burrito, give him hot cocoa and pat his head. my heart breaks every time he talks about his past 😭
It hurts my heart to see Astarion feel this hurt and betrayed 😢😢😢
The instant he said "I gave you my answer" to Araj, I wasn't physically able to push him into biting her. I hovered over the option, but I felt so icky inside thinking about what that would mean for Astarion. It's been a really long time since a video game has made me care about a character to this extent. I just want to put a warm blanket over the guy and tell him it's gonna be okay 😭
Pain. Just pure pain 😭😭
Indeed 🥲
Ugh, I could never choose this path, thank you for your sacrifice!
Holy shit you gaslight him into thinking he made the choice 😭
Even though you can save the romance here, which I did at first it felt off to me. Then literally like the next day my Tav got her brain probes by that half-orc and to distract her from realizing she wasn’t loyal pictured lustful images of Astarion (cause I didn’t see a better option) and this was right after he said he didn’t want to thought of as a sex object. Weirdly he still gives approval as a response, but that was like the mail in the coffin to me here, and I loaded a save from a hours back where I just stick to my guts on saying no to the bite. I only did it in the first place after I realized you could not kill the drow and take it from her corpse(assume you can’t pickpocket it either since she has a shop and it’s not for sale). I looked online and mistakenly believed you only got a a scene for biting and that there was nothing for saying no so I also thought I’d make out on content. Anyway I feel better that I reloaded. Now it feels more normal the romance and I discovered new stuff in the tower so win-win.
TBF, feeling those feelings is natural. He just doesn't want to be treated as a sex object. Doesn't mean you aren't allowed to be lusty as long as you respect his boundaries and don't make it his problem.
yooo I never heard any of these options until today, thank you!
yesterday I found a way how to both get the potion and him not being angry, etc.. but it's more of an oversight by the devs. I expected there's going to be some sort of backlash but isn't which there should be imo (even though this is less important than getting to know what his scars mean).
I would not do this normally (in my standard run I never force him), this was purely testing what's going to happen.
you just need to take a long rest immediately as you enter moonrise to trigger the standard confession and only afterwards go to Araj. I chose the less "aggressive" options - 'I'm surprised, I thought you'd jump at this opportunity' and then 'the potion could be useful'.. he disapproved, bit her, but there was no real outburst from him at all. my approval was still exceptional, even his romantic greetings were there.
This actually makes some sense since you likely established an understanding during the confession and so when you told him it's his choice he didn't hold it against you that you wanted the potion, because he felt like he was truly making the choice himself in this case. Just a theory. There could just be some alternate version of the aftermath that doesn't trigger, as the devs said there's actually 'lost content' that they are working on restoring that is due to bugs.
Я так долго искала ответ на свой вопрос и наконец нашла твое видео. Спасибо тебе огромное! Теперь хоть знаю, что даже при укусе будут шансы
Рада, что видео помогло ;)
Wait, THAT'S the choice for it to actually work?!
Like, I'm glad that there is a way, but why wouldnt it be genuinely seeing your fault in it and apologising from the start? That's so weird
You may apologize but he gets angry, so yeah I kinda unhappy with the options this time...
Yeah, the game suddenly segways into the dialogue at the ending of the confession scene you can get even prior to meeting Araj the drow. Starting with the "You can open your mind to him to let him see you care" and then the handholding. I don't think that was previously there if you had forced him to bite Araj? Maybe people had complained that there was no way to have the potion _and_ prevent Astarion from breaking up with Tav if you forced him to bite her for the potion, so Larian added a way to talk him out of the breakup? But honestly I don't think it should be _that_ easy... if a player used Astarion to get the potion despite Astarion's obvious discomfort and loathing of her blood, the player should accept the consequences. And not making him forget what he said just a minute earlier, that you pushed him to do it.
And I wonder what happens if a player already had triggered Astarion's love confession scene with the hug prior to even meeting Araj (because that is possible if you already have very high approval from Astarion in Act 2), but then forced him to drink Araj's blood? Giving the player part of the same scene as a way to wiggle out of the break-up would be weird.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog I tried it out of curiousity. Nothing happens. No reaction about it, not even to talk about his disgust. Kinda sad. We lose a lot of insight cuz of that
I think it’s because you divert the conversation a bit from who’s to blame to talking about how you see him, so I guess he doesn’t come to the conclusion that you pushed him/used him. Or at least you get to a point where you can show you do care and maybe he forgives you? You’d think you could tell him that it was a mistake that would would never ask something like that again for him, but that’s not an option I guess. It’s definitely not something I’d have thought would work at first. It feels like such a bad response to him saying he was using to being thrown and used to say something like that. It rubbed me the wrong way, so I just reloaded an old save and just let him refuse to drink. I didn’t need that potion anyway. I know that the drow comes back later in the story, I wonder how he reacts if you are still in a romance and you let him drink.
I feel so sad about the action of pushing Astarion to bite the bitch drow.
I could never make myself do that, even just to see what the other options are. I told the drow there was nothing to discuss. He made his choice already, and a no is a no. The "Thank You" scene was heartbreaking enough, especially his realization that he's a person and not a thing to be used.
Just had to watch the video because I could never force him to drink her blood. Thank you for adding this subtitles, well done.
I'm not there in the game yet but if I ever accidentally do that to him I don't think I would ever forgive myself and I would immediately reload
every choice has reason and comes with a cost. the deeds been done despite save scumming.
Thank you for taking one for the team o7
Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss.
My evil drow durge approves. During the romance scenes, she basically took the neutral-nice options, telling him what he felt he needed to hear. Pushing buttons. Being his new Cazador. Except she doesn’t share him, so it’s objectively „better“.
And the way he tried to please her after ascension finally satisfied her massive ego. Evil power couple is op. ^^;
you can get a pretty bad reaction out of him also when you break Yurgir’s contract. he yells at you that you chose the devil over him and the options to reason are real bad. I tried what happens and even though my approval was still exceptional, he didn’t break up with me officially but the option to talk about us was gone so I couldn’t kiss him and his greeting lines were back on a friend level (my favourite travelling companion, my friend).. it felt like it bugged out or sth.. it just doesn’t give a clear indication the relationship is over.. but anyway breaking the contract is not worth it one way or another.
has anyone tried that?
he broke up with me once and it was becasue i refused to help him ascend. and he told me he hopes I die screaming. I was so shocked.
@@bangtanluverthat happens when you choose no i won’t help you. you have to pick if i help you all these people will be killed which then opens up one immediate persuasion check and insight which if you pass gives you another persuasion check. the first is 18 and the one after insight is 15.
to actually have ‘if i help you it will kill all these people’ you need to let him talk to Sebastian, do not cut the convo short. otherwise you lose the possibility to reason with him. which makes sense.
the exact same thing happened to me when i chose to help yugir! we hadn't officially broken up, and his approval rating of me was still high, but the romantic dialogue options were gone
I really dislike this sequence. That for you to stil lbe together you have to say he can throw himself at him. Just feels as if he should be angry
I like how complex these emotions can be, you can justifiably be dumped or you can make a genuine mistake and talk him through it. I like to imagine Tav feels guilty and keeps it in the back of their mind. This game’s writing!
may be justified, but there could be alternatives. and i wouldnt say its a mistake since youre helping araj with a cost. all things happen for a reason. a double edged sword, but here both parties benefit.
It's not new, it happens if you make him bite her with very good or exceptional relationship
Когда он говорит о том, что Тав на него надавила, у него такая интонация в голосе...я бы не сказала, что прям угрожающая, но пугающая почему-то. Как если бы ты заслужил доверие безжалостного маньяка-манипулятора, а потом сделал один неверный шаг и теперь ты больше никогда не будешь уверен в своей безопасности. И ощущение какое-то появляется, словно уже не он с тобой, а ты с ним :"))))
This fucking happened to me too. At first I said no to the drow when she asked Astarion to bite her. Then I realized the potion gives +2 strength and reloaded. Felt bad about forcing Astarion to bite her. Then I just went to rescue the tieflings and gnomes and did some other stuff too until finally long resting and this scene pops up. I managed to let him not end the relationship with my stupid ass Tav but felt so bad about it that I guess I have to reload a save and do the tiefling rescuing crap all over again and sacrifice that +2 strength potion. 🤭 It's funny what a video game can do to you. 😅
To think… I was about to undo everything to keep him
Why is it an option no means no it should stay a no 😭
For drama. I love the drama. This really stirred up msjor conflict and self reflection between the two and us players as well. But it pains my heart to see Astarion this hurt 😢😢😢
"I hope you're all right."
"You can still throw your body at me, any time."
"Are you not attracted to me? Is that it?"
"How do you want me to see you?"
"I care about you."
"Hug him."
Does it depend on approval or just dialogue choices? Because I saw people commenting that if you force him to bite her he might even permanently leave the party, not mentioning breaking off the romance?
So that means it depends on approval, or did Larian just change smthg in this dialogue after a Ptach1? I dunno... but would love to know
@@Nirraart I don't know... I just read somewhere "don't force him to bite her or he'll break up or worse, leave" so I didn't try.
@@Nirraart I don't know if youtube allows links in comments I don't think so but I found an article on a website called gamerguides that confirms the dialogue choices you picked, I guess it's the only correct choice to get through the dialogue.
@@ivylilybasket Thank you for letting me know. I actually was accidentally discovered we can get the ‘hug’ scene through this dialogue.
That does sound like it could be approval level. I wouldn’t be surprised if it had something to do with it if he decides to leave permanently.
1:38 was so much fucking worse than I expected it to be
Just came here to say why would you force the spicy cinnamon roll to do this 😭
Actually my Tav didn't force him to drink Araj's blood. I recorded this dialogue exclusively for my youtube channel :)
permanent +2 strength is too important to miss out on bitch
I felt bad about this for a while, but karlach needed her +2 strength potion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I rerolled astarion as a fighter after this and gave him the steroids the drow gave me to him as compensation.
whats the name of your armour called?
what class did u play?
So, at first he breaks up with you no matter what, and then later you will have a conversation where you can get him back by showing you care? Is that what this means? I'm a little confused.
no they're showing different fail dialogue options before showing the one that doesnt break the relationship
Yeah this is why romancing astarion is so not worth it. Having to deal with all his whining and then not getting the potion? There is just so much things he wants and we get very little in return.
Ummm so which choice was it then that keeps in with you? You just kept exploring the various choices without pointing out the right one… worst thing is you kept the subtitles in russian
I mean that +2 tho.
You can't have him bite Araj and continue the relationship. This person blended two separate scenes together.
You can. I didn't blend these scenes
Awful