Challenge at Glen Canyon (Part 1)

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024

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  • @TouchingClothProd
    @TouchingClothProd 3 года назад +2

    And here we are 38 years later with the opposite problem.

  • @markriddle3282
    @markriddle3282 Год назад

    Lived in Page. We would go down to the lake and watch the water raise. The flood was exciting to watch. And to see Lake Powell held back by plywood sheets was something to see!

    • @Snoopysails
      @Snoopysails 9 месяцев назад +1

      Class of '85 here

  • @tomfridmann143
    @tomfridmann143 7 лет назад +12

    It was repaired at the last moment. I was Regional Photographer for Bureau of Reclamation at the time. It was a very exciting time to be a photographer.

    • @artgrosch1215
      @artgrosch1215 6 лет назад +1

      Tom if you have any pictures, would like to make contact......you might have some of me while I worked there for a year....

    • @johnbegay4012
      @johnbegay4012 5 лет назад

      Tom Fridmann hello. Do you have pictures from the 1983 flood?

    • @gregorybraylen343
      @gregorybraylen343 3 года назад

      A tip: you can watch movies at kaldroStream. Been using them for watching loads of movies lately.

    • @rockyjudson799
      @rockyjudson799 3 года назад

      @Gregory Braylen Definitely, I have been using kaldrostream for years myself :)

    • @wilsonbraxton529
      @wilsonbraxton529 3 года назад

      @Gregory Braylen Yup, I've been watching on Kaldrostream for months myself =)

  • @kckcmctcrc
    @kckcmctcrc 7 лет назад +4

    The Emerald Mile is a great book about the 3 guys who rafted the Grand Canyon during the peak flow from the Glen. The author goes into great depth about the weather and the Glen that year.

    • @Radison1337
      @Radison1337 7 лет назад

      I just started it, which brought me here to see what the dam looked like. It's great so far!

  • @Mxsmanic
    @Mxsmanic 13 лет назад +3

    Great video! I wish the image quality were better, but I guess this was the best that could be done in 1983.

    • @PurpleObscuration
      @PurpleObscuration 3 года назад +1

      I have seen better quality color footage from WWII, there is no excuse for government footage to be this horrible in 1983, none.

    • @Mxsmanic
      @Mxsmanic 3 года назад

      Agreed!

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад +1

    For the first time ever Burec will be releasing the lowest flows from Glen Canyon dam in an attempt to save Powell as a major system component. My thought is, were way past the tipping scale. And to Mr. Segrest getting rid of the reservoir would result in zero net loss of water, explain how that is possible?

  • @michaelangel8133
    @michaelangel8133 3 года назад +1

    Lake Powell is 34 capacity, more beaches and still wonderful

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    My Dear Mr. Perry Lake Powell is storage for the upper basin states. It exists by necessity of the colorado river compact. You see in the spring snow melt runs off in a very sort period of time. We call this spring run off, and it makes up 70% of the Colorado river's annual water flow. Because Farmers in the Empirical Valley and southern Arizona need steady water all year long not just in the spring, we need large reservoirs to impound water in high water years and average the flow for crops.

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад

    Yeah thats why all the lower storage units are much more integral to the overall system. All lake Powell is is an insurance policy for the upper basin to meet it's running delivery requirements. Also, virtually all the water in the Colorado River system originates as rocky mountain snow. You spelled and misnamed the Imperial Valley and irrigation district which is not to be confused with CAP. To clarify, its my opinion that we can't have 2 large storage units on the Colorado.

  • @lolahavasuaz
    @lolahavasuaz 15 лет назад

    Very Interesting ........ man !
    I learned very much watching this ......
    thanks for posting this .......

  • @michaelangel8133
    @michaelangel8133 3 года назад +2

    Four by eight Marine plywood used, double height, worked

  • @Bewification
    @Bewification 12 лет назад +1

    great video mate. hoover dam sits pretty cause of this dam.

  • @Mike-01234
    @Mike-01234 8 лет назад +2

    Never see that kind of snow again drying up.

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад +1

    & actually Powell was part of the CRSP not the 1922 compact. Along with Flaming Gorge, Navajo and all the Gunnison units that were also built.

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    Are you familiar with concept implied necessity. While Powell was not mentioned in the compact the fact that Colorado doesn't flow with regularity, made it necessary to insure that the upper basin could reliable deliver the 7.5 million acre ft annually. Just like the film showed there are some times very large flows and in a two year period you could have a very low spring run off far less the 7.5 million acre ft that is required by the lower basin states.

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад +1

    By "tipping scale", I mean supply (your runoff) vs. demand (irrigation, population, energy use and so on). I just tried to attach a link to Burec report but its really to find on there site.

  • @michaelangel8133
    @michaelangel8133 3 года назад +2

    Not four, eight feet high by engineer s

  • @tankgunner32
    @tankgunner32 5 лет назад

    So is the vacuum caused by the obstruction due to turbulent flow of the water ? Which causes the vaccuum

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад +1

    That water comes from lake Powell, and could still do so with less evaporation loss if you drain lake mead.

  • @riparianlife97701
    @riparianlife97701 10 лет назад +4

    Challenge with VHS, starring distortion! Also starring weird rainbows! Featuring crappy sound, and pixellation. Narrated by a heavy smoker.

    • @DABIGRAGU1
      @DABIGRAGU1 10 лет назад +1

      VHS, funny...we've come a long way haven't we?
      The anthropologist/archeologist Dr. Jesse Jennings (narrating) was actually not a smoker. He did however have the condition Hypo-thyroidism, which can make the voice take on a lower pitch for both genders.

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    What tipping scale are you referring to? The bureau of rec is keep water where the evaporative loss is going to be the least, Lake Powell. As to your last point I will compare it to moving money from one bank to another. As long as you don't spend and money will doing it you should lose any money in a simple transfer.

  • @김연주-j6q
    @김연주-j6q 10 лет назад +1

    Do you have the script about "challenge at glen canyon dam" video?

  • @stirnarai
    @stirnarai 12 лет назад

    beautiful,beautiful,beautiful!!!

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    So the US Fed govt built hoover dam. it ran dry several times trying to regulate the river so the US department of interior decided to build more dams. And they may have built too many dams. That doesn't change the fact that from time to time we may need both Dams. My position is that we leave water where it could be stored the best with least amount of loss.

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад +1

    For the last time you could same more water if you drain Mead instead of Powell because its hotter in Las Vegas then it is in Page. Lake Powell would lose less water to evaporation because of its high canyon walls that limit evaporation. and cooler temperatures.

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад

    All these dams you think should be decommissioned grows most of Americas produce in the winter months. They are vital to our regional economy and capitalist culture. & you should learn about a new study revealing ground infiltration rates depleting reservoir storage as well. These evaporation rates you laud would be offset by having just one large reservoir, Mead. There's a lot to learn Mr Segrest, a very interesting topic.

  • @Moondoggy1941
    @Moondoggy1941 2 года назад

    They have not learned very much with these spillways, when they tested the 7 Oaks Dam in Highland Ca. below Big Bear there tunnel was destroyed by the water cavitation in the tunnel as well.

  • @mindciller
    @mindciller 7 лет назад

    So what happened? Did the whole dam bust? Looks like both spillways were screwed

    • @praestant8
      @praestant8 7 лет назад +1

      NO the dam didn't bust. Feel free to do just a little research about it.

    • @artgrosch1215
      @artgrosch1215 6 лет назад +3

      Repaired damage, and installed a engineering fix, put in air collar in spillway about 1/4 way down, as water went thru tunnel the new air collar supplied air injected in the water as it was falling down, water acted as a cushion when it hit the bottom, preventing it from damaging concrete at bottom of tunnel...The most INTERESTING and DANGEROUS job I ever worked on,,, and loved it...

  • @janaburritt6939
    @janaburritt6939 2 года назад

    This is exactly what made the Grand Canyon. Cavitation works well with lots of water from Noah's flood

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    While we are correcting each other it Lake Powell not Lake Fowl. And lower storage units don't make sense when they lose more water to evaporation then Lake Powell. When its hotter and there is less humidity there is more evaporation.

  • @michaelangel8133
    @michaelangel8133 3 года назад +1

    Not four double eight

  • @Jeffe01
    @Jeffe01 12 лет назад +2

    See my vid about running the river on the 100k flood in '83. Its here, but is also on the V...meo site with better music. It exposes hypocrisies in this vid, including that the flood was "inevitable" (it wasn't. A dam with lowered lake could fit a half dozen floods like the one in 83... after all, it took them over a decade to fill it in the first place.) Also the left spillway cavitating was not planned, it was a mistake. I wrote a story about this: see onwardswaywardboatmen, 83 flood story.

  • @xtusvincit5230
    @xtusvincit5230 7 лет назад +2

    If we dammed up the Grand Canyon, it would solve a lot of problems.

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад

    They only irrigation water pulled from Lake Fowl is thrown on lawns in Page Arizona. Lake Fowl doesn't irrigate a single square inch of "farming in the southwest", about a half million acre ft evaporate annually and a quarter million lost to ground infiltration. ALL of the major cash crops are grown in the lower basin, ALL of the major water thirsty and low value crops grown in the upper basin and yes, thank you, I know that snow melts in spring.

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    As for irrigation in the upper basin is much more effective due to the fact that evaporation is much lower. You in Mesa Colorado where I'm we can get away with use 12inchs of water to irrigate an acre of pasture grass, and if try to do the same thing in southern Arizona the same time of year you are going to need more than double the water. PS without LP Lake Mead would have dried up 4 years ago means less winter crops even with the evaporation savings.

    • @Snoopysails
      @Snoopysails 9 месяцев назад

      Want to bet? Bureau Rec Hydro eng. here. Worked at Glen Canyon

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад +3

    The geologic structure is vastly different. Powell loses over 250 KAF annually to ground infiltration where as Meads rock is nowhere near as porous. & Mead is larger than Powell since Glen Canyon only sells hydropower and irrigates net to nothing Meads lake level would be no more effected than it is now

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    Correction: As to your last point I will compare it to moving money from one bank to another. As long as you don't spend any money while doing it you shouldn't lose any money in a simple transfer.

  • @dogthewalker8071
    @dogthewalker8071 3 года назад

    71-75 0:07 Does Woody have an Okidata printer?

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад

    & I'm saying the opposite. Tell me, how much water could WE save and how would the systems integrity be maintained?

  • @stevewallace1117
    @stevewallace1117 5 лет назад

    Watched the dam being built as a kid...

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад

    Really, no one cares there are to many people, in fact we love it. They're are friends and families who live here, we are all in this together, and decommissioning Lake Powell is a serious option some people may think is crazy. But take a look at current lake levels. The Bureau of Reclamation has itself release studies that support supply vs. demand is in crisis.

  • @hannothephoenician633
    @hannothephoenician633 10 лет назад +3

    Lake Powell and Lake Mead are both more than half empty, and several states depend on them for a lot of their water. The Southwestern drought will continue for years to come, and this is the normal state of affairs. Water treaties that favored California were made when the years were unusually wet and California was the only state there with a lot of population.
    Severe water shortages are very close now per our local experts and yet water conservation is no where to be seen. There are far more legal claims on Colorado river water and underground water sources than there is water to meet those demands. Most of the people who live here are in denial of this and have no idea what's coming. Rationing and water wars in inevitable, once the laws and treaties are no longer enforceable.
    People posting here talking about draining one lake to help another should really not post at all but just read others comments, they have no idea what this subject is about.

    • @robjohnson8861
      @robjohnson8861 5 лет назад

      Huh? More surface area (two lakes), more evaporation. Drain Powell, but don't tear down the dam should wetter years(decades) return and lake powell could be used as extra storage.

  • @xtusvincit5230
    @xtusvincit5230 7 лет назад

    Of course, this was all completely foreseeable. Why didt they lower the lake in anticipation of the flooding?

    • @davidgrover5996
      @davidgrover5996 7 лет назад +1

      Joey Suggs, Actually It happened in a shockingly short period of time.

    • @artgrosch1215
      @artgrosch1215 6 лет назад +1

      Weather predictions, and knowing when and how many storms will come is at best a educated guess, add in freak heat waves that melt both upper and lower elevations at same time, then repeat over and over is what caused this unforeseeable havoc to the dam, add in engineering practices that were flawed and never used in emergencies like what they tried at last resort. Now to address you question on why didn't they lower lake earlier. Not to argue their goals but every acre foot of water stored is money big money, like every business they will try to discover and save every penny they can, all the while repaying our government for the money spent building Glen Canyon Dam by selling power generated. Which master do you serve, flood control, water conservation, producing hydro electric for the W.A.P.A. (western area power authority) power electric grid for whole southwest, having a source of water for the C.A.P. (central Arizona project), water to the Navajo Nation for their needs, being able to continue releasing water thru the Grand Canyon , they are mandated to release X amount of water to support environmental needs down and thru this great Canyon, and beyond, stored at Lake Mead this same water is re-used a second time for hydro electric power at Hoover Dam then water released to support our vast farming needs in California and support all life it passes thru and beyond. Now also you have to keep a certain amount and let it flow down and thru desalinization plants (to remove excess mineral and salt) into Mexico as mandated by Congress and treaties... In movie they say at time of most concern Lake Powell rose 6 inches a day,,,, well it did at first but soon it was rising a foot a day, and then they really got worried...

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    yes if there was one less reservoir there would a small saving but you would lose the benefit of being able to save 5 years of co river flow in times of higher than average spring flows. that 600 K AF is less than 1.1million that lake mead loses at full pull. And lake mead would still be empty today due to insufficient storage capacity.

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 14 лет назад

    @azulalover97 Ummm. This film is about an event that happened 27 years ago.. & yes, we are in a protracted drought. Lake mead is about to go empty. Maybe we shouldn't have people living in the west that don't understand this is a desert... eh? Where do you think we can get any more water to fill any reservoirs? If you want to continue to live and farm out here tha way we have, we should decommission Glen Canyon Dam to maintain the CRSP's function. What about the Rivers health hobnob?

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад

    But how long is your growing season? How variable is your evap rates from day to day in your arid area? Flood irrigation is an incredibly wasteful practice that contributes to accumulation of dissolved salts. How much grass has to be grown to bring cows to market weight? I'm not saying irrigation in the upper basin is all wrong but disagree, irrigation in the upper basin is more effective or efficient. & no, if Powell was never built Mead would have had more water, at least 600,000 AF annually.

  • @lolahavasuaz
    @lolahavasuaz 12 лет назад +1

    audio @1:09 guy say's "yeah it's fucking beautiful" lol !

  • @redxxxxxxx
    @redxxxxxxx 2 года назад

    Same weather pattern in Yellowstone June 2022

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад

    Yeah, buts its over a 10 year delivery period. 75 MAF ever ten years or 7.5 annually. Depends on the year and how we decide to do the and how we budget. If Powell wasn't there, 15 MAF would have flowed directly to Mead, Mojave, Havasu, so on. Flows from other storage facilities in the upper basin can continue to augment to some degree the OLD stupid compact.

    • @JDSeg693
      @JDSeg693 3 года назад

      The way the compact works is that the total every 10 years has to add up to 75million acre feet if that doesn’t occur you have a compact call. which means that the upper basin has to cut water usage to make it up. It doesn’t give credit for more the 75 million every ten year you can’t drop below that level that’s why you need a large reservoir to catch excess and augment is dry years.

  • @mattwoody1089
    @mattwoody1089 3 года назад

    They probably never missed a dinner

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    correction save not same in the first sentence. sorry

  • @SouthCountyDreaming
    @SouthCountyDreaming 14 лет назад

    And they say we have a drought. Why dont we let the gates open and let people farm. Arizona, California, Nevada, and Utah all need water. We should create a manmade lake and use it as storage during high years

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    Our growing season is shorter than in the Southern Arizona, But we still lose less water on our driest days than A farmer in the Empirical valley does on an average. You act as if you the only people that should us the water from the Colorado River is in southern Arizona and southern California. Flood irrigation is slowly being replace by pressurized systems. And if you flood irrigate correctly you don't have waste water, which means less salt in the system. The high water is gone!

  • @thomastero4662
    @thomastero4662 5 лет назад

    Bloody shame it was ever built in the first place.

  • @dh-flies
    @dh-flies 3 года назад

    If none of these dams were built, there would be nothing to worry about. This is human caused trouble. And it's all about MONEY.

  • @onedge70moparsuperbee23
    @onedge70moparsuperbee23 3 года назад +1

    👍😎

  • @Snoopysails
    @Snoopysails 9 месяцев назад

    That's my dad at .32

  • @Hellafireleli
    @Hellafireleli 14 лет назад

    wow they went into the pipe!!

  • @WearySteerer
    @WearySteerer 7 лет назад +3

    INCREASE CAPACITY!
    WHAT WITH?
    SKATEBOARDS!
    OK!

  • @อาคมมากบุญ-ภ7ฐ
    @อาคมมากบุญ-ภ7ฐ 4 года назад +1

    ต้องทำหลายเรื่อง

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад

    I live on a ranch in Colorado. I see the river as a large system incorporating 40 million people and two countries. Not just a me me me attitude. You spelled Imperial wrong again.. you know, where your bell peppers, almonds, lettuce, tomatoes, citrus... a lot of our produce comes from. and thats just one district. & there is only one way to flood irrigate, implied in the name.

    • @JDSeg693
      @JDSeg693 3 года назад

      No that’s intentional they act like an empire. Just look at the history of the All American canal.

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    With less water to go around and higher food prices, population can become a huge problem in the southwest. The Dams that should be decommission are in the lower basin starting with Hover and ending at the mexico border if you really want to save water. You should just do the math, and really examine the issue. Do you really think by draining a lake that has moderate evoprative loss makes any sense if you are going send that water to reserviors that have the highest evopration in NorthAmerica.

  • @SuperRiverboat
    @SuperRiverboat 11 лет назад

    No, that water comes from the Rocky Mountain Snowpack, runoff remember, and passes through a series of reservoirs way before Powell. I'm sorry but but Powell doesn't do anything but evaporate and leach water.. & maybe Page and the Navajo generating station.

  • @lag9765
    @lag9765 5 лет назад

    It shall fail and many will die...

  • @JDSeg693
    @JDSeg693 11 лет назад

    "Decommission Glen Canyon Dam".. Do you realize that 70% of the colorado river water flows in the spring. You apparently don't know anything about farming in the southwest. I would agree with you that there are too many people in the south west. But if you drain lake powell and we would have less usable water and the further down stream from lake powell evaporation rates get higher.

    • @joshpeach4053
      @joshpeach4053 3 года назад

      the problem is that lake powell's sandstone absorbs a crazy amount of water. powell is the reason why lake mead isn't able to fill to the normal level

    • @JDSeg693
      @JDSeg693 3 года назад

      @@joshpeach4053 the water absorption isn’t really a problem compared to evaporation. But evaporation is higher at lake mead. The reason lake mead doesn’t fill is they release too much water down stream . Not because of Lake Powell. most of water that the absorbs in to the sandstone water stays close to the lake and comes out when lake levels drop. Which is better then what happens when it evaporates.

  • @อาคมมากบุญ-ภ7ฐ
    @อาคมมากบุญ-ภ7ฐ 4 года назад +1

    น้ำแรง

  • @Machster10
    @Machster10 3 года назад

    Took care of this problem with climate change

  • @dozer1642
    @dozer1642 2 года назад

    It’s amazing how global warming affected them in the early 80s.

  • @Robyous04
    @Robyous04 15 лет назад

    go to class!!

  • @davidheitman7004
    @davidheitman7004 6 лет назад

    full on failure!

  • @kennethbrereton7926
    @kennethbrereton7926 5 лет назад

    7

  • @superstarmcgee1128
    @superstarmcgee1128 4 года назад +1

    Its climate change Hahaha