Forza Horizon 4: An In-Depth Review
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
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Forza Horizon 4 is the biggest racer of the year, and has the best racer of the decade to honor. In this video, we'll find out where it excels, and unfortunately, where it falls short.
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I know uploads have been sparse, but I've been working on some huge projects. Hopefully one of them will be out by the end of the year, I'm going to bust my ass trying to make that happen. Red Dead Redemption 2 is half scripted, but I can't guarantee any dates. Turf Wars should be out shortly. Thanks for putting up with this.
Whitelight don’t ever compare the city from need for speed 2015 to fh4 they are different due to game mechanics and functionality. Anyways the game now has route creator so and it is always updating, as the developers are in touch with the community(more than any other racing game developers)
Umm... you clearly Havent Gone into livery And Customisation . You can make More Money In FH4 If you make Tuning Setups And Liveries . Sure This is An Old Video Given that there Have been Updates And Expansions since Then but you Still Completely Ignored Car Custumisation and Livery Design. I made About 73 million Credits Simply By Designing Cars And Uploading Them On the Creative hub.
Yeah, I love this game but I absolutely hate the winter season, how is it logical to race fast, in a fast car, in a race w tight turns and snow and ice on the ground, u slip and slide everywhere
The seasons arent just visual. Cars slide easier in winter due to the ice and snow. Springs rain makes driving hypercars more challenging due to the constant rain at times. Summer is the perfect driving weather for any car with fall being the only one that's mostly visual
Are there 3 seasons?
Edit: There are 4 seasons . My bad.
@@zakiowais6829 I mentioned all 4
@Keegan Young Rain is kinda slippy, but Snow basically changes some roads from asphalt to gravel, grip wise
The seasons are mostly visual. It still rains in summer, and a lot of races have rain. The only difference is frequency. I guess it's a good thing the races don't matter if you win or lose either, because the AI is 100% not affected by rain leaving you at a massive disadvantage. And winter looks so shit that it's a week out of every month I won't play the game.
@Dawid XCX I think that mostly comes from the random snowy-roads that act like asphalt, and the random asphalt roads that act like snow lmao
I still think FH1 had the best sense of progression and "story."
First things first, the characters weren't all douchebag hipsters.
You didn't already own a $700,000 supercar, you had a VW.
You had to race to the festival to be included during a special promo.
Each race type had a "champion" along with an overall Horizon Champion that you actually worked towards racing.
Beating champions and showcase events won you the car. I had a good selection of cars by the end just from winning races and playing the game, buying very few.
The difficulty actually increased as you rose up the ranks.
The final race was FAR more memorable than in anything any of the later games had.
The Champions all interacted with you, usually shit talking, but it's still something.
FH2 immediately went to "Here, you get a supercar and run the festival." But you're just a random guy... why are you running the festival? And sure, there was 6 locations or whatever, but there was only so many tracks in each location that it got extremely repetitive.
You run the festival in FH2?
@@Whitelight Didn't you play it? It started off with "We're going to let you pick the next locations and races." I didn't really play 3, but it seems like it just added to that with "blueprints."
@@JZStudiosonline Wow I thought all of that was introduced in 3.
@Leo Enduro I really think that FH1 had the best driving roads. I haven't tried 4 yet, but the roads in 1 were just fun as hell to drive on. FH2 was very wide-open with not really a lot of elevation change, banks, or curves. Not like FH1 anyways. The road along the coast was okay, but still nothing compared to the mountain road in FH1 that really nailed the feeling of going up a mountain.
Horizon 1 absolutely nailed it down with the progression and even the story
Hell, you actually had a reason why you wanted to be the Horizon Champion. That damn guy by the name of Darius Flynt
26:20 "...putting the game on Steam"
guess what
It really happened 😆
3 years later... :'D
@@yizues8727 But look on the bright side, seems like Horizon 5 (and every other upcoming MS game) will be on Steam from launch
And it's fucking garbage. Somehow putting the game on a different store platform makes the game have technical issues like stutters, freezing, infinite or longer loads than needed, completely broken wheel support, etc. It's still better to buy it on MS Store, and me being a dipshit, bought it on Steam and tried to fix it before unsuccessfully trying to get a refund with Steams absolute dogshit refund policy.
@@JZStudiosonline Steams dogshit refund policy? Uh... What?
This games presentation really was next level for a racing game, gave me actual goosebumps and got me excited for playing, something I haven't felt of a racing game for a long time
The final point about innovation really resonated with me. Especially since I looked at Horizon 5 trailers and thought "yeah cool, but FH 4 is discounted so I'd just rather buy that".
I bought 4 because UK is more interesting than Mehico
wait fh4 is discounted????
i made a bad finacial mistake
@@greenville_accounttonline is still on and will be for years. No new updates though.
White light: this hypes me for what forza have for next year
Forza: forza street on mobile
I wonder if horizon 5 will even be a thing. Playground games are working on an un announced RPG (possibly fable) so who knows when 5 comes out.
They have 2 teams now both working on each
They first need to fix this game.It has been out for 2 months and there are still big problems.
We normally get a Forza Motorsport from Turn10 that does the initial work on the game engine, so it seems like FH5 is 2021 or 2022 the way it stands now
As an og Forza fan, this game is just, OKAY. Every other Forza horizon is miles better tho.
Yep it is, they just announced 5 let’s goooo
"Doesn't need to rely on rubberbanding"
Sorry but gonna have to disagree with you there, playing on Unbeatable/Pro, not getting to the front of the pack ASAP means the leader just walks away and you'll have to settle with a podium. And if you do get in front, the AI just end up on your ass immediately, regardless if their previous pace.
This.
The AI cars in unbeatable and pro levels are impossibly fast. Like when you are blasting on highway at 300+ kph in a Pagani, and suddenly a bloody Focus overtakes you!
The rubberbanding at these difficulties was annoying as fuck!!!
You can't beat the AI on unbeatable? How old r u?
I generally find pro is optimal. Unbeatable is just annoying because of rubberbanding, and expert is too easy. Pro is just in the middle, so it's best in my opinion
There is no rubberbanding in the game lol. The only problem with unbeatable is that 10 out of the 11 AI racers are vegetables and then theres the guy in front who actually drives relatively competently. Add to that the fact that youre always starting in the back and yeah i can see how races with too many tight roads can be annoying to get past the pack but realistically the cars arent faster than they should be given the appropiate tuning.
I honestly wish there was something like a "Forza Horizon: Underground" or "Forza Underground" type game where it's focused more on street races and what not. Maybe instead of focusing on a ridiculous number of cars they could instead focus on a smaller amount but have more customization such as exterior mods. I feel like Forza really needs to do something new and interesting to focus on other than just the festival, maybe it could go something like you sneak your way in through a street racing group to get into the festival or whatever so the focus isn't just on the festival but also on the street racing scene.
lamelukas thats called Need For Speed
Forza Motorsport?
@@lilchad-ig1oj but NFS is shit nowdays
What you just described is The Crew. It certainly isn't the best game in the world, but as a proof-of-concept for most of what you just said you wanted, it's perfect
34k subs ? Man you deserve so much more , you're the best keep it up ;)
Few subs -> people whine he deserves more subs -> gets more subs -> sellout -> people leave and find another youtuber -> few subs -> people whine....
@@stickkey the only one whining right now is you...
Considering he only started a year ago and has only around 28 videos uploaded, he's doing AMAZINGLY well to have 35k subs. Most new RUclipsrs these days don't get that kind of sub momentum until a few years and many more video submissions. I think the fact that he's gained this many subs in such a short amount of time/videos shows that his stuff is very high quality. Given that it's only 28 videos in one year, I'd say he has a full-time job or is studying. I'd recommend the guy to take some time off just to make youtube videos and see how it goes, because if he dedicated all of his time to make videos there's a decent chance he could increase sub count even faster and make it big.
Seeing the difference in a year is awesome. From 34k to 159k current. Man has smashed it
He now has 215K
At 24:35, "'Need for Speed' has a list of issues even Lindsay Lohan couldn't match." :-p
Great video as always, just a couple things to note that were incorrect in the video:
1. The seasons are not just visual, they affect the grip offered by roads in different areas during different seasons.
2. While road and street racing are similar, there are a few differences besides the time of day. One is that many of the barriers in road racing would be missing in street racing so not breaking early enough is punished harder, also there is street traffic in street racing. None in road racing
Yyup and also street scene is "anything goes" where it puts in every type of car in your Performance Index ballpark. While road race defaults to specific type you enter (hot hatch/ retro sports car/ hyper car / modern rally or whatever)
As someone who recently started this game and never really got into this genre or knows anything about cars, my suggestion to anyone looking at it who isn't experienced with simulation or sim-cade racers is to not immediately main S2/X class cars like the game tempts you to do. Instead stick to A/S1 at first; S1 is the most popular class for online races anyway. S2 and X class are much more demanding to race effectively without assists.
Also don't worry about being overwhelmed by the tuning options. Most people who aren't car-nuts are as well and you can get by just fine by using stock tunes or downloading custom tunes from other people. Just keep in mind that the game prevents you from modifying or looking at some of the specs for online tunes in order to prevent people from copying them and publishing them as their own.
Top notch review through and through. It was a joy to watch and listen to this.
4 is way more fun than 5. I put hundreds of hrs in 4. 5 had me bored by the time i beat it.
That cheeky use of DriveClub OST at 6:30 , it's pretty good!
Who need to study for finals when Whitelight uploads a new vid?
Im listening to this while i work on 5 assignments
Winter completely changes how you drive if you have assists off.
Great review of the offline game, but that's just part of it. The multiplayer is a complete disaster. Forced team adventure and freeroam rush, regardless of the car class, is KILLING any longevity this game might've had. You can personally finish 1st every race and lose/rank down. It's abysmal. And that's not even mentioning the checkpoint rammers and how incredibly long it takes just to find a game.
The base game was cool for the week or so it lasted but online is what keeps me coming back. I don't feel like collecting 500+ cars and tuning them for a half-assed, nonsensical online mode. That's the biggest issue with the game.
Forced teams, Freeroam Rush, rank being determined by team performance rather than individual performance, etc.
I had more engaging moments in the PvP mode of The Crew 2 (which incidentally, did ranked PvP better)
Back in 2019 when they put the Apollo car in the multi-player event, people were pushing each other off the road because for "the trolls" and I got pissed real badly
Multi-player Events in FH4 is so bad man, too much toxic players but hey...thats expected in the gaming world
@@MNightbirb Lol I remember. The pvp is definitely better now than it was at launch, but being forced to engine/drivetrain swap every car to be competitive is what killed the game for me.
@@theDiReW0lf Even in forza 2 it is about who has the fastest car that can have the best tunes
There are roadworks in the map, they're seasonal though.
In reality they're urm century long
I would like it if they had actual performance progression, like forcing everyone to start in a D100 level car and you’d have to unlock your upgrades before buying them. The upgrades could be either tied to the player’s level or progress in the story as to not be too tedious, but still have actual progress. And you’d also unlock each class of car (D, C, B, A, S, R, P, and X) as you progress.
For Rivals, it would be much more enjoyable and fair to have it be set up by car instead of by class or type. You wouldn’t have to deal with 1 or 2 cars decimating the leaderboards if every car will only ever be competing against itself.
Will you ever do a NFS MW 2005 review? I'd really like to see that. And BTW, nice review!
Check out Raycevicks review of it, he has a similar style to Whitelight!
@@Pwnarbullen I have, I just want more content to watch
NFS MW 2005 6/10, best of Black Box mediocre racing games
@@m4rcin847 mediocre? Most of them are great!
@@fatfard you and me both
I’ve been searching for reviews. I saw plenty of positive reviews with not enough critical analysis (all of their critiques were all the same as well) and I just wasn’t sold on the idea that it was THAT good with little to no areas in need of improvement.. I very much enjoyed this video. You definitely did a great job picking this game apart and explaining that it’s got a lot of issues and plenty of room for improvement. You made points about the game that other reviews didn’t even bother mentioning and you definitely focused on what may make-or-break the experience for some. I feel like I’ve got a better understanding of what I might be getting into if I shell out the money for this game. Thank you.
The James Bond seasonal events, if you play online and don’t have the car pack, you could pick any cars. Had to race an old Vantage from the movie living daylights against huracan and some other fast stuff...
I played FH3 for a year. I stopped playing FH4 after completing all the races. That tells you all you need to know. The online sucks because of freeroam rush, no championships, no reason to even come in first place in races, and much much more. It's not bad, but it's not "play every day" good like they wanted it to be.
You didn't need to be first in FH3 either lol
Mad grand tour vibes with come with me now music playing in the background
multiplayer is literally the worst part of horizon 4
Not now
I completely agree. If you're not playing with a group, you shouldn't play at all
Cristian Mihai um wrong
@@TreXXen Depends on your experience. Me and many others have had bad experiences, so we believe that. Oh, if it matters, I hate playing agains AWD V8 swaps and the same 3 cars over and over
Trust me, Played over 300+ hours in FH3 with a G29 and I can say FUCK PUBLIC ONLINE RACING!
Arguably people buy the Deluxe because of the included season pass, the rest is just bonus
Still playing this almost daily April 2021. All of his negatives were swiftly dealt with, even the Windows version (which I have exclusively been playing). Would like to see a 5-minute follow-up review!
Still playing this masterpiece
26:16 Finally they did put it one steam, after 2 years of this video.
You forgot to mention that it’s a pain in the ass to drive during the winter and even more annoying in the spring rain. Also that it’s impossible to keep up with Ai in street dirt and off road races .
This is honestly one of the best reviews on a game I have ever witnessed
Really great stuff, keep it up, my man. People like you are the reason i still open youtube
Tbf the fact that a game this good is considered a blip compared to the other FH games says something about how consistently great this series is.
Shame there's no roadmen though 😪
Only real wastemen can appreciate 7:53 😂
you are bare wastemans yeah
lol read this at the exact time
There’s another way to get credits. The auction house. It’s like a stock market picking which cars are going to go up or down. I’ve lost 19 million on a single car in a week. I’ve gained millions on a single car in a week. It’s unpredictable. It’s also a lottery, just higher stakes.
did that already exist when this video was released?
How dare you accuse the radio DJs of being bad. Don Thompson is great! Also that’s the only channel I ever listened to so I’m sure you’re right.
Oh yeah, White. There’s 2 other differences between Street Scene and Road Racing
- Traffic is present
- There are no walls, so you can’t wallride
14:36 the reason i bought horizon 4
It took me longer to finish the tutorial than it did to get the best car in the game
I haven't seen anybody mention Kongos' Come With Me Now in the background, ya know the song from The Grand Tour..
08:42
actually... this is also true for horizon 2 and 3. In Horizon 2 the radio just didn't switch to the of the song, so... I found that one out by accident, when I noticed that on every showcase there is one certain radiostation which always plays the same song^^
This game is sooo greatttt. It’s just upsetting that many others, myself included, cannot access its Multiplayer aspect ):
I love fh4 but man I was hoping for something more "new" and added. Like the seasons are sweet but after that I look like what else has changed form fh4? the map was sweet, but I was hoping for more customization compared to past games, they're kinda stagnating in car customization. And the races are low-key bad, like why do the other racers have the same level as me, it makes it impossible to predict the speed/handling of their car when it has random and non described mods on it. And the AI does impossible maneuvers in corners that it pretty much rubber banding. This is probably the only game where I prefer to race with people because the AI isnt simulated on a car level, theyre simulated on a track level meaning they practically go around the track with no regard to their car's physics...play dirt races and cross country races on unbeatable to see what im talking about. I will say the sense of speed is amazing, probably the best in any open world game. Like whitelight said, its amazing when you first boot it up, but after the spectacle, and if you've been playing past forzas you may not be "blown out your seat".
I mostly agree with you.Great comment !
The problem with Horizon is that it feels *very* similar. And I don’t mean the overall theme. It just feels exceedingly similar in many areas.
I appreciate many of the changes and stuff they’ve done, but they shouldn’t be afraid to try something a little more radical besides the seasonal change. At the same time, let’s not change it to the point where the game suffers.
Like the multiplayer. It’s totally fine to be conservative but being too conservative isn’t exactly a good thing, and the same goes for being too progressive
You don’t know how many times I’ve gotten common cars and legendary clothes and horns, horns and clothes are nice, but not more legendary than a 918. I wish the wheel spins are only limited to credits and cars.
I agree, it’s the most frustrating thing in the game getting a super wheelspin and only getting horns and clothes that I’ll never use.
u deserve much more subs and views than u currently have. Keep make vds. I love them!!
FH4 ReReview now? ^^
Then Imagine being me, out of the loop with racing games for over a decade, picking up this as my first Horizon on a steep discount 2 weeks ago after completing NFS Unbound. While that has its issues as well, Volume 3 update's Linkup events figured out how Forzathon should work. Seeing the humble beginnings is kinda cute, but a game with such massive post-launch support structure still having that in it's release state is sad AF.
Yay the Best youtuber has a new Video
1:40 “Once you’ve picked your prick” 😂
whenever i play this game i always mute the music and just put on a eurobeat playlist on youtube
Took me a while to notice, but the original Forza music playing during this video makes for a nice callback.
Yeah, Junkie XL did a fantastic job. It's amazing to listen to, and fits pretty much anything.
Re review of nfs 2015 when (insert anime moth pointing a gun at the viewer)
you're a really good reviewer
Never played an forza horizon game and it looks absolutely amazing.
But one thing that always threw me off was the almost absent traffic and the emptiness of the world.
It feels like driving around is the only thing you can do and there are no pesestrians.
The world is stunning but it also feels empty imo.
It would be annoying as shit trying to race while there’s traffic everywhere
@@unkownfigure850 its boring also when there is no life
2:40 and that whole 'stuff missing from the UK' bit is soooooo true, it had me dying 🤣🤣
I was looking for a comment referring to this xD
This is a great review and really made me decide on getting the game but the moment you said there's no Gregg's I was laughing and as an ex street racer here in UK nothing would make it more British than seeing Gregg's and seeing racers pit stop at Greg's to get a sasuage roll and get back in their car 😂
The festival setting worked in Horizon 1 because it was 2012 and that sort of stuff was in. Tommorowland and what not. It was the height of Drum & Bass, Dubstep and it's very much a time capsule.
Now the only people left that go to electronic music festivals are all addicted to hard drugs.
They should have ditched the festival concept years ago. Actually, Forza Horizon 2 should have been more of a grown up, gentleman's driver kind of game, given the location.
Now THAT is a proper review. Up there with Tim Rogers good! Subbed.
The tim rogers one got me high and I've never even drugged before.
This video needs a remaster for FH5
Your content, omg. This level of breaking down everything is something I would think should be on a Masterclass. o.e
I just want horizon in japan. It's all i need.
We're getting Mexico
4:40 I beg to differ... Burnout Paradise's map is the most memorable
I'm amazed that given how much racing genre audiences are sorta dwindling that we still get high quality racing games like this.
On your critique, what other racing games with good progression or at least not botched?
From what I played of NFS 2010, that game nailed it.
I couldn’t get into FH5 after experiencing so much fun in 4. Maybe 5 will catch up for me in the near future
Love your content! I really enjoy long and informative videos! Happy thoughts ;)
Loved when I got 200 free super wheel spins and have never needed to worry about credits since. Truly an epic Forza Horizon 4 experience.
11:55 So no one's gonna talk about the dude rocking a shiny sparkly tight gold skirt and wellies?
"It's either Elton John or John Doe." Or something along those lines. IMO Whitelight just equipped everything the wheelspins dropped to emphasize the amount of random tacky BS. Also shitz n giggles is definitely high in this one.
"Supposedly Horizon 5 is going to be set in Japan"
haha... if only...
13:40 - 💯 agreed!
As I wanted some specific cars and Fortune Island expansion, I bought the ultimate edition and after a couple of events, I got "VIP membership" and other DLC's unchecked from the Steam menu because I started to feel the lack of progression and reward. They should'v leave all those extra DLC cars available to buy with credits just like all other cars and not throw them at players like it's nothing.
Wheel spin is half the trouble but Superwheelspins are the most ridiculously idiotic and massive spoiler of progress/reward factor!
Thank you for this review!
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I wanted to like this game so bad but the borked progression and lack of structure really hurt my motivation to play.
It was my first Forza game and I had heard nothing but good things about it. But within a few days of playing I had lucked out on wheel spins, gotten way too much money and bought my favourite hyper car with millions of credits left over. Basically left me thinking "well, shit what now?"
Anyone still playing Horizon 3 over 4?
As a person who lives on the Gold Coast I never got why they did surfers paradise on the previous game, even in real life it's small
I have to say that this was an amazing, informative and accurate review. Subscribed.
Haha awesome Trolling with the Driveclub music at 23:50
Good content! Always excited to see new videos.
2:30 * Cries in Northern Irish *
To my taste....Fh5 should use the same formula and aspects of Forza horizon 1 and 2 like LEVEL PROGRESSION with a fair grind (I wanna use the slower cars first then work my way up) and NO EMOTES WHATSOEVER. Just a huge amount of character types and outfits separated from the wheelspins is fine. Also championship tournaments and events of specific vehicle types and specific classes with restrictions that don't allow cars with engine swaps to prevent the races from being redundant. So pretty much like 1 and 2 with updated visuals and customization👍👍
After 1 year: Yeah, winter still sucks major ass.
Forza have one problem (or advance) why it not released on Steam. This game have common Eco-system with Xbox Live. So even on PC you play with Xbox players through Xbox for Windows. Releasing this game at Steam will be complicated because of it. I think it's the only reason why multiplayer games from MicroSoft not on Steam yet.
I played NFSMW 2005 until 2018 simply because there weren’t any other better racing games that interested me. So imagine my shock when I played FH4. 😮
Can you elaborate? Shock can be positive and negative as well.
I just got into Forza and have a very mixed attitude towards in.
Did you just used the FM1 soundtrack as background music?! I, I think I love you man
I love FM1 and it's OST
@@Whitelight I fully agree, the OST in FM1 is personally one of the best of any videogame and the game itself Is by far the most underrated Forza game, shame a lot of people never played it because they had PS2's instead of an Xbox
Really great review!
You talked a bit about the differences between the standard and more expensive versions. I got the ultimate version 4 months ago, which was in sale for the price of the standard one. Problem is, I started with a huge amount of cars from the DLC and th€ "car pass”, and also 40 free super wheelspins. After spinning them all, I had a hundred of cars, 5 millions credits, and I had not played a single race. This was my first real racing game, and I was already lost with learning the handling (and unlearning some other game's handling like TrackMania), the upgrade system, the tubing system, that after doing the first 4 seasons, I was really like "wtf do I do". So many cars, so much money, I could basically buy any car, any upgrade, anything, and because of the stories being hidden on the map, as you mentioned, I just didn't know where to go. As much as I love this game today, I don't know if I'll still be playing it if it didn't cost 50€.
Fortunately, I found my way through the stories, and RUclips is just filled with tuning tutorials, the forums with car recommendations, Reddit with suggestions of things to do, and the feature find groups of players playing right now and join them in voice chat on Windows 10 and Xbox is a great way to meet other players and just drive around for fun.
TL;DR : The ultimate edition gave me way too much money and cars at the beginning of the game that I was completely lost and almost stopped playing.
then I did perhaps the right thing buying the standard edition :)
@@lw97nilslinuswhitewaterweb15 probably :p
You'll have a better starting experience imo. And you can still get any of the DLCs later anyway.
it'll probably take a 1000 years but can you review Yakuza Kiwami 2?
even though it's a couple months old
the difference between street and road is that road has barriers and only includes cars from the same car type while street is without borders and matches you with any car from your class.
edit: oh! and traffic
For me THE only thing, that puts a bad light on Forizon 4 is Wheelspins. Fuck. Those. Things. Outside of that - it is BY FAR my favorite racing game of all time.
KONGOS - Come with Me Now
As someone born and raised in Ireland I really want an open world game baised here something like the crew but with forza horizon 3 or 4 physics
Playground ruined it by grinding rather then actual story progression like the first one
Seeing how far you've come from your early uploads, i'm confident that you've now set your foundation for making videos in concrete rather than mud and sticks.
As in, very good stuff, please keep on going
15:30 street races have pedestrian vehicles that can mess up your entire line, road races don’t
Horizon series r one of the best racing series but after u get good cars and stuff there is about no reason to come back to it while the crew 2 for example may not seem like it has much to come back to it always end up bringing me back with a lot of fun and I am saying this in 2020
OMG Forza Horizon 5 it takes place in Mexico finally you get to do drugs and hang out with the cartels
Maybe I'm an edge case, but I had absolutely no problem with the rewards structure of the game. By the time I had finished everything there was to do, my garage had about 200 cars in it, of which I paid credits for probably 5, I owned every player home except the castles, and I still had a few million credits handy. Most of those credits absolutely came from wheelspins, but even the chance factor of those kinda ceases to be an issue due to how many wheelspins the game throws at you. You get wheelspins for leveling up overall. You get wheelspins (and super wheelspins)for leveling up specific disciplines. You get wheelspins for spending skill points. Even the preponderance of "meh" cosmetic stuff on the wheel didn't bother me that much, because you just get so many of them.
As for Forzathon Live - the enjoyment I get from those, is meeting in one place with a ton of other people in the server, and just messing around, which seems to be the ultimate purpose. The actual events themselves are kinda secondary. You hoon around and show off your cars to one another, then bang out the events in a few minutes, then go about whatever you were doing before. It's low impact and silly. They could be better, and I hope they do get improved with feedback, but at the same time - it's been a couple months now, and I still do them several times a week without complaint.
actually at 15:40 another difference between street races and road races is that in a street race there are other pedestrian cars while in a road race is just you and the other racers
I really liked the characters from the first horizon.
I love this game
I don't like racing but I love Whitelight.
The main problem with the game is the PI system. In online racing, everyone uses AWD engine swaps and slap as much power into the car as they can. It makes online races have very little variety and be very difficult to win if you're tuning your car "how it was meant to be".
Yea I paid for the legendary edition and regret it because it gave me no reason to use most of my billion cars I got off the bat