just beacuse blackbeard has whithbeard devil fruit dosnt make him at that level and shanks was not saying that blackbeard was a problem for him he said that beacause ace was going after him and that was his whole point of coming to whitebeard and telling him to stop ace going after him it was for ace not for himself oh other yonkos oh other strong people in one peace
The fact that Shanks identified Blackbeard as a serious threat even before Blackbeard acquired two Devil Fruits speaks volumes about Blackbeard's strength and cunning as a pirate. Shanks, one of the Yonko (the four emperors), is known for his calm demeanor and measured approach, so his concern about Blackbeard carries significant weight. This suggests that Blackbeard's physical abilities, intelligence, and overall combat skills were already formidable, making him a dangerous adversary independent of the power gained from Devil Fruits. Additionally, Shanks admitting that Blackbeard scarred him during a moment when Shanks was fully prepared and guarded adds another layer to Blackbeard's reputation. It implies that Blackbeard's ability to inflict damage on Shanks, a top-tier fighter, was not a matter of luck or underhanded tactics but a demonstration of genuine skill and capability. This moment also highlights Blackbeard's capacity to catch even the most powerful opponents off-guard, further cementing his role as a looming threat in the One Piece world.
@@tashfeenkhan3658 It was for Shanks. You forgetting when he said Blackbeard gave him that scar before he got any devil fruit and Shanks was on guard. He was telling Whitebeard if Blackbeard could do that to him without a devil fruit Ace needs to back off
What is this, street fighter? Blackbeard doesn’t fight 1v1. Blackbeard jumps MF’ers and only fights when he knows he can win. That’s what makes him dangerous.
@@ndibunwapeter9013 So are we going to act like at the start ace didn't fight with burgess and van auger before Blackbeard? How convenient you leave that out. Infact BB had a lackluster performance against ace, with ace landing several attacks, blitzing BB in moments and countering even whilst being at a disadvantage as he didn't know Blackbeards abilities whereas BB knew all about ace.
The bb downplay is crazy, this is the same dude a freaking yonko considers his biggest threat, like why would shanks be concerned of a man that loses to a yc??? Using feats to argue is just being biased when we know most of the top tiers lack feats
b/c BB doesn't do fair 1v1 in universe & the argument is Zoro vs BB in a clean 1v1. Shanks is scared of BB's potential threat (knowledge to gain 2 DFs, hunting strong fruits, & connection to Rocks, Strange body/Never Sleeps, gaining allies like Shiryu & Kuzan & becoming a Warlord + having a secret master plan) not BB's ability to fight 1v1
@@ndibunwapeter9013 I feel like it’s a bit disingenuous to use an example like that… but I understand the sentiment, so let me rephrase it like this. If we’re talking about Blackbeard up against a character like zoro, while BB had feats, they’re not impressive enough compared to someone like zoro to confidently say he would win against him
That Larry dude is using all the words in the world to avoid saying the real reason he belives BB loses: «I don’t like him, and don’t want him to win.»
@@Mrfish603 He's dangerous enough to have Shamks himself going after him and you're telling me he is not yonko level? Blackbeards devil fruit increases the pain taken from attacks but absorbs some of the damage, it's a no brainer that Blackbeard is extremely dangerous and would wipe the floor with anyone that is not yonko level.
Blackbeard literally laughed off Law's awakeneing attack that broke all of big moms bones. Even at marineford, he endured a gura to the head, he tanked sengokus shockwaves, and his own gura could block sengokus shockwaves. Yall be taking that Haki above all statement too seriously, all Kaido was saying was that you cannot become pirate king or rule the seas without great haki and that you dont need a devil fruit to rule the seas like Roger. Doesn't mean the character who has better haki wins against every character who has worse haki. The Gura fruit is so underrated because of this. Blackbeard cant negate fruits in this situation but he can still use the yami fruit to pull Zoro in and then gura fruit him to the head. Zoro is losing this it shouldnt be a debate.
Did not break all of big moms bones. Blackbeard wouldve lost without van augur. Point blank woulda been in the ocean. Couldnt even beat law 1v1. Zoro is packing him like a can of tuna.
Why Larry try to use the 2 Quake Punches on Akainu as downplay? Akainu is a top tier who was fleet admiral level, he’s SUPPOSED to endure that and he got heavily damaged both externally and internally. Larry acting like WB failed to kill Pre-TS lucci in two hits 😂 I’ve seen a Drunken V2 Kaido (that amps his haki + bigger physical body) hit a Base Luffy clean in the head with aCoC thunder baguas and Luffy was still fine and got right back up and he took multiple Kanabo acoc attacks from him too. Are we saying Kaido’s acoc attacks is also weak/not lethal ?
@@williebo510 absolutely none of that was ever stated. If you think he was fleet admiral level during the Paramount War then you don't actually understand the gap between him/the other admirals and Sengoku/Garp. Also, I hope you understand that the Kuzan panel calling him the strongest is a Viz mistranslation (something very common for them).
@garpnewgate send me your discord, Instagram, Twitter or any form of messenger app I'll send all the scans and shut you tf up bcuz yes yes it was stated 😂😂
The problem with sebs argument is that he's not taking into account the skill that's needed to use the gura at peak capability. Just because you have a strong devil fruit doesn't mean you can use it to its full power. Blackbeard hasn't shown high levels of skill with either of his devil fruits, they're both just really strong. When looking at the general argument, i think zoro beat Blackbeard with high, maybe extreme difficulty, because of zoro's overall dominantion in any combat focused stats except potential destructive capability in comparison to Blackbeard.
BB’s feats thus far: Scarred shanks, finished WB after tanking multiple quakes and a slash down his shoulder. Took direct attacks from Sengoku and got up pissed off. Smashed Ace mid diff. Defeated Jewerly Bonnie. Defeated Marco + Remnants of Whitebeard pirates post war. Snuck up on Boa. Fended off a SERAPHIM during a surprise attack and tanked getting blown through a massive stature like it tickled. But yet they say the man has no fears when literally all of his bodies he’s caught since DAY ONE have been high level opponents. People just hate him bc he tries to avoid 1v1s, but he’s a mf pirate 😂 and the argument Blackbeard couldn’t push back law is wild. He DEF could’ve if he’s capable of uppercutting Whitebeard and making him catch air or nearly breaking Aces neck with a karate chop. He needed Law to get in position so he can use his other hand to snag Law 😅 why push someone back if you can end the fight instantly ☠️ Zoro is not beating him currently, the yami pulls him in and the gura smashed him with the other hand. And even if Zoro can strike close, BB is NOT going down to one strike
And I’m NOT saying zoro beats BB, I’m just saying he’s not a crazy feat filled character. He’s a coward pirate, and it’s clear than he’s written that way. He is the EXACT opposite of luffy. Luffy is a pirate and behaves so… BUT he has morales. Respect, empathy, and honor. Blackbeard has NONE of either. That’s the point, he’s grimey and slimey. He could NEVER be a whitbeard. But he isn’t supposed to be. He’s a luffy opponent so ofc zoro isn’t cooking him, but zoro has way better stats… AND 100% feats
Very long paragraph and yet you have not listed a singular good argument somehow. I know you might disagree so hears the facts. 1. Whitebeard was quite literally already dying. 2. Not a singular opponent that you listed is better than King and definitely doesn't beat Zoro 3. BB has never once in his life shown durability that states that he could tank Zoros attack 4. BB has also never shown the AP that would beat Zoro(He has tanked much stronger attacks) 5. The evidence would simply show that Zoro is 1 faster 2 stronger 3 more durable 4 Able to counter any attacks BB would throw All you have is narrative. More power to you but if were just going off stats nothing you stated helps.
@ so ignore him tanking back to back blows from Whitebeard and Sengoku? I stated Whitebeard was almost dead, but he was still rocking Akainu half deaf and bro was feeling them blows so to say BB tanking anything from someone who could still harm an admiral is still a feat. Then Sengoku?? What’s your argument about Sengoku?? Like he outright tanked his attacks and was fine?? Everyone says he has no durability feats but I mean tanking someone’s attacks who boxed with Roger on the daily is pretty crazy. And yeah, Zoro is faster than BB but I mean the yami nullifies speed. Ask Boa and Law about that. OP has shown that Fujitora and BB’s devil fruit work kind of in the same way that once you’re in it, it’s got you. And saying Blackbeard hasn’t fought anyone kings level is just cap bro. Law?? And He beat up Marco in the post war, Robin told Luffy that. If I remember correctly, Marco was boxing with both king and queen right? Maybe I’m wrong idk, but Zoro can’t fly, meaning Blackbeard can take full control of the battlefield and make Zoro jump around to avoid the vortex he can create on the floor. Yk, the same vortex that had S-Shark scrambling to high ground? Zoro goes airborne he’s prone to the yami and air cracking sea quakes. Zoro is going to hit him a lot in the fight, but the yami combo is crazy. If he tries to cut him after being grabbed by the yami, Blackbeard has the gura to either block or just straight rock him at close range. Oh and BB tanked a shock wile and laughed about it, which I know Zoro wouldn’t laugh at if he got hit by it 😭🙏. In the air he’s a problem too, he nearly shattered the entire island from the sky in his battle with law. Blackbeard is far too versatile, intelligent, and strategic to lose in a head to head battle. Rayleigh and Shanks are two people who have stated they would either outright lose (Rayleigh) or that he’s way too dangerous for someone like Ace (a guy who’s defeated a warlord, stalemated Jinbe and Yamato(who scales relative or higher then zoro depending on who you ask), and was leagues stronger then Zoro pretimeskip etc etc)to go after. If BB was that strong pretimeskip to be able to take attacks from Sengoku, Whitebeard, and utterly destroy Ace, why would he be any weaker post timeskip plus gura? Like zoro just got to kings level in Wano, BB beat up Marco at that point. It’s y’all to keep saying ‘narrative’ which is written by Oda btw. If he has Shanks saying, hey he scarred me with no devil fruit and he’s too much of a threat for even Ace. Hey, I believe Oda. Y’all see Shanks say that and y’all like no feats bro nuh uh 😭 like if you don’t wanna go with any narrative then you probably believe Usopp is stronger then Dragon because Dragon got no feats 😭🙂↔️ like narrative is A PART of the story not just background dialogue 🤷🏾♂️
@@time5432buddy Marco was beating up King and Queen together BB washed the WB’s crew this was before Aokiji joined them too and they all got their DF’s so yea…. Marco beats king that King win is so overhyped by Zoro! 1. On steroids while doing it! 2. Literally was seeing death after beating the guy almost died! 3. King was a one trick pony, once even a simpleton like Zoro can figure out that flame trick the rest is easy from there! Unpopular opinion Queen was a harder opponent to fight! Invisible feat, Germa weapons, crazy strength, more mental strength than King since King wanted to get in his feelings over his mask cracking, while Queen literally got in Sanji’s head with the trash talking and dirty hands on type. Has more feats but I’ve type enough.
Durability and Endurance is NOT the same thing. People really gotta stop mixing those up. Durability is ability to withstand pressure and damage, endurance is to keep going through difficult situations despite damage and fatigue. Blackbeard don’t need durability, his endurance is crazy and he takes double the damage. He’s been stabbed, burned, organs cut through, quaked to the face, and more and still got back up.
@@Mrfish603how is his durability questionable when He takes 2x the damage from everything and still hasn’t died. Hes one of the most durable people in the series.
We gotta acknowledge the fact King actively lowered his durability throughout the fight. Final class King had heavily diminished durability in order to increase his offense
He hasn't. In my opinion BB has two souls. When someone ko's BB he will stand up with a different Personality (Maybe Rocks) But the normal BB we have seen many times is would lose against sanji or Franky.
I love zoro but he’s not taking on BB in his fight with king he wasn’t able to keep using ACOC for long he literally said he had to finish this up before the blade drains all his haki right before his final clash with king and the crazy ending😂😂😂 which mean zoro hasn’t even fully mastered it which makes sense since luffy barely was able to master it just recently in his fight with Kaido I think zoro needs to master it before he can take on a Yonko level threat
The yami yami no mi is more effective against devil fruit users but its powers of gravity work on anyone so even if they don’t have devil fruits that gravity power can still be a factor in fights I feel like that’s not disused enough cause it was used in the guards of impel down and it left them either in a comatose state or dead so it can work on non devil fruit users
This Zoro agenda gotta stop. Seb is right how y’all gonna say he can take a combined emperor attack and use that as an excuse but then say he can’t beat Luffy when none of you believe Luffy can beat Kaido and Big Mom at the same time? Also are we forgetting how Zoro was the only person on that rooftop out of commission and needed a miracle drug from chopper to fight again?! They acting like he tanked the attack and then went straight to fighting King. Man literally saw the grim reaper.
While you are right, I think you are forgetting the fact that Zoro, even though he didn't tank the attack, was still able to get up after said attack and then perform ashura onto kaido. It's not about him being able to outright tank the ikkoku sovereignty. It's about him being able to get back up and attack after getting hit with such a deadly attack. Personally I don't think BB is outputting anything nearly on the level of that combined yonko attack on his own(you are crazy if you think he is) so id say Zoro has a better chance at taking a gura attack from BB than you think and then getting back up and hitting BB with a strong acoc sword attack. I do wanna preface my thoughts by saying that I don't necessarily think BB is weak or anything like that. It's just his statements and then his feats are inconsistent. Statement wise he has shanks shook but feat wise, he almost lost to law, got smacked around Amazon lily by s hawk(who Zoro defeated btw) and almost lost to a 1 hp whitebeard who was bleeding out and had multiple massive holes in his body and had to jump him to secure the win. BB is dangerous because of his planning and cunning not because of his overall strength
@@DivineZenkaihe didn't even fully block the attack. He held it for a few seconds before Law saved him. Zoro would have been dead if Law didn't come to help him.
@@DivineZenkai a Blackbeard who just got to Gura was able to tilt the sea with all of marineford, cause a tsunami accidentally on another part of the world and was able to go neg and counter Sengoku’s own attack on him, Zoro is not taking a full hit and fighting the same. You act like Blackbeard wouldn’t get back up either, no one has yet been able to beat Blackbeard and he always gets back up, how you say that for Zoro but ignore that for BB? Because he looked like he got hurt? His devil fruit multiplies incoming damage. (Except Magellan but almost everyone lost to him. )
@@DivineZenkaiHim getting sent back by shawk is animefiller. Also using pre timeskip feats is wild. By that logic luffy still loses to magellan. The only reason law almost won was because bb was over the sea. On the ground he won the fight. Zoro would also struggle a lot with law in a fight. Zoro can tank a quake but the problem will be that bb has crazy aoe and versatility which would stop zoro from using his strong attacks. If he breaks the ground for example, zoro could not use strong offensive attacks as there is no ground under him.
Gura downplay is pretty crazy u can argue it’s now what it’s hyped to be by certain people but it’s pretty dumb same with the Yami the ace fight shows it bb doesn’t need relative speed to dominate a speed battle cus of the yami. For the gura if we’re being honest when bb gets arrogant it leads to him not being as cautious fighting wise and taking more damage based on context. The slash wb landed while bb was arrogant was a good damage feat but the gura did so much more imagine an attack like the final one he did on Akainu to bb at that point. That tells u everythint abt the guras power and we have no reason to believe he hasn’t gotten atleast decently stronger over the 2 years.
Bb wins high diff but i think the yami will be the deciding factor on why he wins the fight. As the fruit allows bb to control over gravity to an extent and gives him a lot of versatility.
@@Mrfish603 i don’t really think it gets to high, I mean to what I remember BBs pre time skip feats are mid fighting sengoku then sengoku and garp in that mf scenario isn’t actually that impressive in context.There’s a lot to be factored in when fighting the gura while trying to protect and not destroy marineford. Post time skip he just fights law but it’s eh we know law doesn’t push him to even mid based on the fact he’s not even slightly injured but I think u can technically argue law was in that fight vs restricted bb for a while but I don’t know how. Given my personal scaling of law he wouldn’t need to be unrestricted to win but all in all the unrestricted gura is too much given. Both have good endurance and bb overall would have the advantage but BBs scaling is a mystery overall, yes bb is arrogant but being comfortable enough to fight the entire strawhats, in what would be in BBs mind by himself, is concerning. Even factoring important things for both sides like bb thinking he can return luffy to a normal state without his rubber abilities and gears (even his brand new one to bb) it’s still concerning.
I swear people do not understand that the yami is still very useful against non df users. I would argue the yami is more dangerous for zoro than the gura because of versatility and gravity Manipulation.
Exactly for some reason people think yami is only good against df users lmao, it's a devil fruit why would people be immune to this? Well unless they got exceptional haki maybe?
It completely lacks reading comprehension it’s just power scaling math bs and gaslighting. Do they really think that Oda thinks Blackbeard loses to Zoro?..
Haki is not over devil fruits, outstanding Haki is. Law needed an outburst of Haki to undo a weaker devil fruit user in Doc Q. Now lets say Zoro needs Conqueror Haki to negate BB Devil fruit pull from his Kurozu, to not have his stance broken, something Zoro STILL doesnt know how to use, so now, You have a Zoro playing defensive, when its literally fighting a losing battle, Finally, the best chance Zoro has, is getting a counterattack on BB while receiving a devastating attack, and then relenting. Naaah you Zoro fanboys are so high on cope, when a weaker BB managed to Scar Shanks, the haki god of obserbation Haki.
Zoro has the strongest level of haki, which is advanced conquerors. So he has outstanding haki. Secondly if zoro is facing a Yonko he's going to be outputting conquerors naturally, so he's going to negate the yamis pull. Even if you want to say zoro couldn't do that it doesn't matter. Infact I've seen BB try to pull ace in with the yami and ace counter BB mid air. Zoro has insane range and can attack from anywhere, BB pulling zoro in is the worst thing BB can do because he ain't boxing with zoro in the pocket especially if zoro is using advanced conquerors.
@@danyal6181 naturally outputing conqueror, I dont even know where you pulled that one, maybe when he first used conqueror in HIS SWORDS, not on himself, so yeah he can be pulled, next, Ace is a logia, and he doesnt really need an stance to use his full strenght, not the same can be said about SWORD USER, or any weapon user, next yes, pulling Zoro in close Quarter is dumb, but the point still stand, BB can use Kurozu to break his posture and then molly whop him, and Zoro cant output the same level of strenght of attack from afar, you know who can, BB with Gura Gura, so yeah, take another hit of copium and come back dear. Ah right almost forgot, you are giving that 3 IQ style the benefits of the doubt that he knows that Haki can be used to deter Akuma no mi, and seeing how long it took him to realize the Seraphim were Lunarian, so yeah, come back stronger next time.
@@Rhovanni Your saying copium while lying it's absolutely ironic 1. Zoro cut Kaido form range. Lmao what are you talking about 2. Putting Conquerors Haki in your swords means that you are extending it from yourself. (Your point is fruitless) 3. Nothing BB has done has shown AP that is stronger than Zoro's durability
@@time5432Here comes a New Challenger. Zoro cut Kaido from range? If you mean the paper cut he did to his face, yeah he did. Next, extending Haki from yourself???? When the only thing that is blacken and shooting Black lighting were his sword, another hard cope for the Zoro Fanboys. If tanking a quake to the jaw from an enraged Shirohige is not a durability feat then I dont know what you want, also still doesnt matter when BB can simply outrange him and just foderized Zoro. Come on Zoro Fanboys, cope harder.
@@RhovanniAre you dumb or something? Against king Emma was forcing zoro to go all out with his haki, zoro was knocking out fodder pirates passively, he was naturally outputting conquerors haki without even recognising it . The king of hell state is literally zoro using advanced conquerors 24/7. So no if BB wanted to pull zoro he couldn't because zoro naturally exudes the strongest level of haki in king of hell state. BB can "break his posture" that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard because we have seen zoro attack whilst being in the air before, zoro whilst attacking in the air literally had big mom calling for kaido to dodge and the range of zoros attack was so great it sliced off onigashimas horn. Zoros final attack against king was king of hell dragon damnation in which zoro wasn't on the ground, he was in the air to land the attack 😂 so this point about zoro being a swordsman and that he needs his posture on the ground is ridiculous. Yes zoro can output the same strength from afar, zoro can attack from any range. If he coats his air slashes in advanced conquerors haki they are doing significant damage to BB, we have seen zoros slices go from the rooftop all the way past onigashimas horn, that is ridiculous range. Secondly BB can attack from far true but I saw the admirals use basic haki to deflect the gura, In fact I've seen law not be damaged by a named attack from BB at range by the gura. If BB is going to damage zoro it has to be up close where BB can punch him. So take another copium shot and come back. I didn't say zoro knows that haki can negate devil fruits, I said if zoro is fighting against someone like BB he's going to be naturally outputting conquerors haki due to enma and king of hell which would negate devil fruit abilities. So ye, come back with something of substance.
Bajrang Gun isn't stronger than the dual yonko attack either. It's just a bigger target for Zoro to cut. But Zoro > Blackbeard in a 1v1. Blackbeard > Zoro against a df user. Akainu is closer to Marco than a Yonko.
They're really underestimate Blackbeard's crew. Let's look at the set of powers. What are going to do about a person who can teleport and snipe from any distance a person. Sanji is fast but not so fast that he can catch someone teleporting. A person who can go invisible who's supposed to be one Zorro's endgame fight. Also a person who can transform into someone else. A person who can become the land theirselves and attack them from the ground. You got someone who can go Giant. We've seen what happened with Garp that wasn't even the whole crew. Getting jump makes a difference huge difference especially when there's no one that can help you. Okay I like Zorro but there's no way he's beating Blackbeard. He cannot cut the Quake it's not a physical thing. If he gets pulled into the black hole he's definitely going to be in danger. Also there's an attack we haven't seen that keeps getting pulled off screen. Even if you could cut it it wouldn't stop shock waves. Sanji has never hit any type of woman no matter what they look like. So they're just going to keep putting her in front of him.
@Mrfish603 This is them getting jumped. Zorro got jumped and hurt when he was stabbed by the scythe. All of them are strong, like Lafitte that guy per time skip snuck up everyone in the conference room with the Admirals. We still don't know how he does that only clue we have it might be hypnosis. Also Blackbeard's crew they all have great teamwork each time I seem them fight they set up the next person for the next attack. They took Aokiji out of it but it said, the crew without Blackbeard so that includes him too. It's way too much for those two. They are the endgame fight also they might actually have seen them fight and took Intel since they were on the same Island and they have a character that can disguise themselves.
@@redmaxxs I agree if he gets jumped he gets bodied. Look what happened to garp who is stronger than zoro when he only was against one half of the Crew. People underestiameds how hard it is to fight multiple people at once especially if you are not a durabilty monster.
While I see what Larry is saying, Blackbeard really hasn’t shown much impressive. He’s not wrong. I can’t picture him beating zoro. But he should. I know he’s strong enough, I just can’t see it happening, look at their interactions with S-hawk. But we do know Blackbeard should be above zoro. We know he had to beat Marco post war, and this was before getting better haki in the timeskip. We also have Rayleigh saying he’d lose to black beard, black beard over powers boa, and pre gura black beard beat ace, who should be YC+-YC2 level
If you go of feats Zoro, plus the fact that Blackbeard couldn't block the s hawk slash and Zoro could easily, Zoro has better feats but Blackbeard is cooking from what we know
Saying "if you go off feats" is pointless, when it's literally impossible for Zoro to be stronger than bb, y'all always keep forgetting bb is a freaking yonko. "Bb couldn't block a hawk slash" I Hope you remember bb was defending himself against s hawk with his BARE HANDS, while Zoro needed his swords to stop s hawk slashes
You know that him getting knocked back is anime filler. In the mange they were clashing. Bb was also not using his hax which is his biggest strenth. Zoro has also more experience figting mihawk than bb. Next time use an actual manga panels.
@ndibunwapeter9013 Blackbeard used haki and he doesn't even have ryo from what we know and Zoro did it without haki and casually blocked it, Blackbeard blocked it but got sent back fair but Zoro literally blocked it and didn't move with ease, plus like I said Blackbeard still cooking so he's probably stronger but if you go off actual stated stuff Zoro wins but you are right it doesn't make sense story wise but Blackbeard needs to feats to bsck it up that's just my view on it
Why are we acting like the yami yami no mi's only ability is to negate devil fruits? It produces infinite gravity stated by bb, it has the destructive capacity to eradicate a town😭 the gura gives Blackbeard long range and short range attack abilities, even if zoro keeps his distance, bb can use the yami to draw zoro in and hit him with a gura punch
Please Explain how he'll do it ? Don't just Spam Nonsense here Zoro legit Scarred Hybrid Kaido and is BB Dura above Kaido ??? Sure BB has Gura and Yami but Armament Exist
@@mahirsharma7789 You are talking like Kaido was going all out against Zoro. He wasn't even using Acoc against Zoro. And that whole rooftop fight wasn't 1v1. BB also have Armament Haki and Gura Gura No mi can legitly create tsunami. BB will just destroy the ground Zoro is standing on. Zoro won't be able to get close to BB.
@@mahirsharma7789 he didn’t scare kaido at all. Mf has ptsd from oden and zoro had his sword during dragon form. When he hit him in hybrid with ashura he acknowledged he had conquers haki. Oda has set up BB vs shanks since marine ford. He already scarred him. Oda is setting up shanks vs bb post time skip. Shanks going to wano looking for bb. He’s a final villain and Oda will not write bb losing to shanks. It won’t be a 1v1 but BB will win
zoro is faster, has way better haki, better durability, and better overall AP from what we have been shown. AND BLACKBEARD TAKES DOUBLE DAMAGE😂blackbeard needs to level up before stepping to the monster trip
Bb has better aoe, verstality, offene, dc and hax (arguably even endurance). So do not act like zoro is bodying bb and is on the level as luffy. It would be a hard fight for bb but he pulls it because zoro lacks the experience and knowledge fighting someone like bb. He is mainly used to fight swordsman.
@@Mrfish603 Pointless stats tbh having better aoe, DC and hax (hax which don't work on zoro btw) is not significant compared to all the stats zoro is above BB for instance speed, ap, skill, durability, haki etc Both zoro and Luffy beat Blackbeard. Luffy just has an easier time. "Zoros lack of experience fighting someone like Blackbeard" so a devil fruit reliant fighter ? Zoro has fought more characters similar to Blackbeard than he has swordsman. So that point is just absolutely ridiculous. The same argument can be thrown back at you and it actually is substantial, being that BB hasn't fought a single person like zoro. All of BB opponents have been devil fruit reliant characters who wield almost no haki feats.
@@danyal6181I would say dc and aoe are important stats as it would not directly influence zoro but the battelfield as zoro can not fly. If bb for example uses Black hole to turn the ground into darkness zoro would definitley be able to break out of it. However it would slow him down and he would have to use haki to escape the affect. Bb could also use liberation to throw large objects at zoro which would distarct him and could also use the gura to break the ground and Marina it harder for zoro from using strong attack as he needs Solid ground under him because he can not fly. Hax in this matchup are not as Importen but i do think they will Player a role f.e. Black hole and quake crash. I meant that zoro like s hawk would be surprised if he Sees Black hole for the first time. If zoro Fights df users most of the time they are zoans for example lucci, king , kaku. i know that he also faugh t Logins and parameters but he never fought someone with 2 df. Zoro would definitley be shocked if he Sees a quake attack that can destroy Islands or Black holes. As for bb, he actually fought swordsman like s hawk and law( shanks also but we do not know the CIRCUMSTANCEs). Against swordsman he actually he is kind careful. He only got hit once by law because he was over the sea.
This whole debate is due to blackbeards weight in the narrative and the fact that he is protected by fate, it’s easy to see on paper zoro wins due to haki but we always see Blackbeard get his way through any means there’s no offense/defensive feats that even come close to what zoro has done but I totally see what seb means Blackbeard has that X factor and a lot of mystery, the fan base knows Blackbeard has a secret ace up his sleeve once that is revealed these debates will take no time at all 😂
Can’t believe they made a video of my question I’m glad my question was good enough and also zoro and sanji win high diff max with Blackbeard and kuzan involved without it’s mid to low dif sanji and zoro win
@ nah bro just saying facts and also just look zoro would mid dif law and law out here banging with Blackbeard and almost winning and y’all ain’t seeing how disappointing Blackbeard is
Even if you think Zoro would win, it's not crazy to think he would lose. Didn't Raleigh say he prob couldn't beat BB? A man that could low dif gear 4 luffy, has all advanced forms of haki, held off kizaru. That must mean he's extremely powerful. We haven't seen BB go all out, but he's obviously extremely capable considering all the W's he has. I think yall are forgetting the yami yami is supposed to be one of the most powerful devil fruits, and it seems it is being reduced to something that just nerfs Devil Fruit powers. To think Zoro can win is fair, but to act like it's impossible he loses is a little crazy.
@@danielwaters57He literally needed to use his awakening to clash with a basic attack. By your logic lucci and luffy are relative as both were clashing
@Mrfish603 No, that's not at all the same thing. Luffy was literally sleeping while fighting lucci. Blackbeard took law as a VERY serious fight. Another thing they perfectly explained in the video that his awakening only extended the length of his sword. Also said in the video and on the manga page, you can see Law is using no armament haki.
@@danielwaters57we do not know that bb took law completetly serious either. We literally know that part of his personality is underestimating his opponents. Also haki can be invincible and we see lightning when both of them clash
@Mrfish603 It doesn't matter if he was taking him completely serious or not , in no way is bb vs. law comparable to the unseriousness of luffy vs. lucci. All haki is invisible. Oda only makes its appearance visible so we know when it's being used. Law did not use haki in the clash. There was only lightning because blackbeard was using armament haki, which makes this comparison all the more pitiful for blackbeard considering all that Law did was extend his sword, and here you have blackbeard using tremor infused with armament haki which does nothing.
@pattiimeltzz I love Zoro, its not close. Zoro at best left a scar on Kaido...The Gura Gura Nomi can split islands, what are we even talking about. Unless the quake is going crazy is nonsense. It was flipping oceans. Bb Darkness fruit and Liberation swallows in the least a whole town. Its too much to get through.
@ BB has no durability he slow and doesn’t have any conquers haki or any other dominate force of haki to compete. He can have whatever devil he needs. Zoro will split the gura gura, and the darkness fruit has no effect on zoro he not DF . Zoro would one shot him with a conquers attack he did to kaido. It’s just that simple. BB has to use his whole crew on 1 person cause he so weak. He couldn’t even do anything to a dying whitebeard he had to have his whole crew jump in. BB is POSSIBLY luffy “end game” opponent because luffy the main character of the story
@pattiimeltzz Whether a person has a DF or not, how do you avoid getting sucked in by Darkness Fruit, vs Ace he took an entire town then Liberation. And your theory Im sorry is just dumb. When WB sent Tremors in Marinford...HOW MANY TIMES DID ANYONE SEE MIHAWK CUT THROUGH IT? WHY DID IT TAKE 3 ADMIRALS TO DEFLECT....IS ZORO 3 ADMIRALS STRONG? PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO TF TEACH IS AND IS GUESSING. Zoros greatest feat in the verse waa simply wounding Kaido who had a conversation, continued pummeling 4 of the worst Gen, then leveling up to pummel someone at Joyboys level....So how great actually was Zoros attack?
@ greater than anything BB can do 😂 it’s not theory either. Until we see BB do something on his own with out his whole crew jumping in or him sneaking people than it can be debated but until than Zoro packs him up real quick 👍. And one problem you have is no one said anything about mihawk, so trying to compare him to Zoro in this instant for cutting white beards attack makes no sense lol Zoro will pack BB up so will shanks just like how shanks packs up mihawk
@@pattiimeltzzBb hax would combined allow him to beat zoro. Lets Start with the yami as it is the more underrated df. The yami gives bb a lot versatility and control over gravity to an extent. He can use Black hole to turn the entire battlefield into darkness and slow zoro down and close the speed gap as zoro can not fly. He can also use liberation to throw large objects like buildings at zoro to distract him. Zoro would be able to defend from that attack but again he would get slowed down and he still needs to worry about the gura as bb can use both his df at the same time. Black Vortex allows bb to pull zoro in and close the distance. Sure you can say zoro could still slash him while he gets pulled. However It would be harder for zoro to use strong attacks as there would be no ground under him. While he gets pulled bb could also punch him with the gura. Now lets move to the gura. The gura gives bb crazy range, aoe and dc. Bb can destroy the ground under zoro and put him under under a lot of pressure as zoro does not have an ablitily that allows him to fly. The gura also been shown to block attacks from akainu(confirmed ryou user), sengoku (confirmed conq) and law(confiremed awakening). So he should be able to block most attacks from zoro and should be able to damage zoro significancantlly. In General zoro would barely be able to send slashes at bb as he would just spam his hax with way better range and aoe while zoro is protecting himself. Bb would spam until he finds an opening to attack. While I think zoro should definitley be able to Tank a hit and clash with the gura due to having superior haki, he would still need to worry about the yami and the battlefield breaking. Another point is that zoro has no knowledge about bb strange hax and not much experience fighting with oppenents with a lot of abilities. He would be definitively surprised by seeing attacks that can destroy Islands and Black holes which Puts him at a disadvantage. Because he does not have future sight, he would not be able to see attacks like Black hole coming similar to shawk. Another point is durabilty/endurance. While i think zoro is a tank, people underestimate bb endurance as he was able to recover from an attack that hurt bm who is arguably more durable than king. Even if zoro gets a hit on bb unless it is ashura he should be able to recover. Also people overrate him cutting king as he only cut king with his flames off. Even marco Was able to hurt king with his flames on. So the argument that king is way more durable than bb does not Apply as zoro never cut him with his flames on. Sure you can say that king with his flames off is still more durable than bb because he is a zoan. However the gap is not that big and bb has arguably better endurance as king is not used to getting hurt. In conlusion bb would be able to win that fight due to having better range, aoe, offense and hax. However it would be high diff due to zoros leathality.
And Zoro fanboys wonder why everyone calls their favorite character the most overrated and overestimated… how is a contender for luffy’s final villain fight getting beat by the second hand man. Luffy vs Blackbeard is already a debate with many saying it is at least high diff for either side and trust me not only is Zoro not stronger than Luffy but at best gets low-mid diffed by Luffy. Get Zoro passed kid, Law, Fugitora, Greenbull, and the five elders then we can have Zoro face off against Characters like Big mom, Blackbeard, Luffy, and etc. also you can Argue that Zoro has better feats but literally most of the top tiers are fearless or have little feats as all that stuff will be saved for later. As annoying as Akainu and Mihawk glazers are their character is at least confirmed by oda to be the current strongest in their field what is Zoro? The world’s strongest straw hat subordinate?…
Bb is a contender for luffy's final fight yes but that he's currently that strong he struggled with law and with bb current feats he doesn't look much stronger than Zoro.. Zoro has better durability endurance speed strength haki AP and most importantly he's not affected by bb's yami which makes it a hard fight for bb... Although I do think bb beats Zoro but it's not an easy fight for him. PS: Zoro is already past kid and law neither of them are capable of beating Zoro.. kid hasn't done anything that puts him over Zoro and law is close but Zoro outstats him in pretty much all categories and haki except hax and biq
We gotta let ppl stick to THEIR head canon until proven wrong because at the end of the day we genuinely don’t know until oda makes it happen and we’ve seen mismatch’s plenty that haven’t panned out how we envisioned. But BB isn’t that strong yet which is why he’s so meticulous with his moves because he knows he’s susceptible to loss
I think since blackbeard can be careless if zoro starts out in King of hell, he has a 90% chance against Blackbeard and if he starts out the fight normally from what we’ve been shown of blackbeard, I’d give him 50-50. But honestly, since we’ve never seen Blackbeard in a serious fight post time skip, We’ve never seen him go all out and don’t know what he truly is capable of yet. I’d even call his encounter with law a bit more than a scuffle if anything, and just showing his carelessness at times.
Why are we acting like bb wasn’t boxing with S-hawk and made it retreat after it saw one yami move like Rayleigh knew he couldn’t box with black beard how he was clashing with garp AND sengoku boxing. The first time he got the gura he tilted marine ford and cause tsunamis reaching farther than saboody which was better than an old whitebeard before the heart attacks
What I get from seb is that this matchup is debatable for both sides, he’s not automatically saying oh zoro claps, it’s like both guys have strengths & weaknesses that should be discussed, not he did this or that so that mean they can just clap, no debate. But seb can’t ever try to even it out without it becoming arguing & we get a “ cool bro” “so what” “who cares” & he’s cut off
Rayleigh admitted he would lose to BB. Teach retreated not simply because he is scared of Rayleigh in a 1v1, but because it wouldn't be a 1v1. Rayleigh himself said that only the particulars of the situation made it possible to NEGOTIATE with Teach. Teach was faced with the prospect of losing two precious crewmembers, and then facing Coby, the Kuja pirates, 2 seraphim and Rayleigh on top of that. Of course, backing down made more sense. And he didn't just run away with his tail between his legs. Because he was still an overwhelming threat, he got his crew freed, was left to leave the island unbothered, and even took some marines as tribute. That's how he endes up with Coby as a prisoner.
Bruh ....they act like BB vs Law wasn't a thing. BB's haki powered quake fruit would demolish Zoro before he even gets a chance to fight and BB's armament haki is powerful enough to tank S-Hawk's slicing projectile from point blank. Crazy work.
Blackbeard Is Strong For Reasons Unknown Yet. Could Have Been EXPERIMENTED ON, Could Be A SPECIAL RACE HYBRID. They said He never Sleeps. Shanks Said That Blackbeard Didn’t Catch Him Off Guards Etc
When was it established that one could block just about any Gura Gura shockwaves with a sword ? Law used his awakened DF ability to block a weaker, defensive quake punch that BB used when he was on land, but earlier when Teach was falling, his quake punch literally broke Law's Room, and created an earthquake on the island. Unless Zoro can directly block the hand, like Law did, the quake's DC will be felt. And why does everyone think that the Yami Yami is only useful against DF users ? Did y'all forget that DF powers are just one of the things it can absorb? It's a logia that can absorb ANYTHING. In other words, Teach can block any of Zoro's attacks, if he uses the Yami Yami. Teach has two DFs that can block any of Zoro's attacks. I mean his Gura Gura even blocked Law's K-Room sword, which can pierce people even with insane armament and CoC haki (like Big Mom). Teach can also use "Black Hole" against Zoro, which creates a pool of gravity that he can expand to at least the size of a small town. That would seriously impede Zoro's mobility. And if Zoro gets caught into it, he gets crushed by intense gravity, especially the longer he stays in there. Teach has lots of options, to crush Zoro. And his durability and endurance are underestimated. Tanking Law's Shock Wille was no small feat. We're talking about an attack that had Big Mom bleeding and knocked down (and she's far more durable than Zoro). We've seen Teach tank numerous Ace's flame attacks, a slash with a supreme grade blade from the World's strongest man, a quake punch from Whitebeard to the head, a shockwave from transformed Sengoku, a Shock Wille... Within a few hours, he fought Luffy, Magellan, Whitebeard, and kept going against Sengoku and Garp. It was said that his body was different, and weirdly enough, he has no scar, besides all the shots he took (even Whitebeard's slash). Bro is packing Zoro, by all means. It was a ridiculous take.
The fact that black beard and shanks fought and shanks says that his scar from that battle still stings should be enough reason alone to say why he can beat Elbaf Zoro. Can wait for Seb to get his “I told you so when BB packs up shanks again”
I think most people are misunderstanding what they are saying, BB is still one of the top in the Verse however just like Luffy, its clear he will have some difficultly against some opponents i.e swordsman without a DF. An example of this is blackbeard vs seraphim S-hawk where he didn't do too well. It would be High diff unless he also awaken ACoC or ACoO
Seb always 1v3 in arguments lol Larry always down playing BB. The yami has more uses than bringing df users too him/ nullifying df powers. Like doffy said “it’s not about the df it’s how you use it”
The yami doesn’t only negate devil fruits the man can absorb buildings and people and then spit them out. Also he has a almighty pull effect and so much more it’s one of the more rare devil fruits in the series I don’t think it should be discounted so easy
Thought I found a legit one piece cast. Brodie didn’t even say he was playing devil advocate he just putting out phrases that don’t line up. He moved the hall post like 4 times in 5 mins and I’m suppose to watch 14mins?! I’m good
It’s multiple angles in y’all argument, trying to get to the same ending. Is it who would win? Who’s more battle tested? Who has more moves to use. Let’s keep it simple and honest, this would probably end with them both dead in the sea Straight hands no fruit - Zoro mops Blackbeard. Fruit only - Blackbeard(the dark devil fruit becomes way less effective though… since zoro doesn’t have a devil fruit, still deadly though) Determination - zoro Innovation -Blackbeard Zoro’s fighting arrogance will be a negative for him If Blackbeard says anything negative about luffy…. He’s f***ed
what does it matter if he was overwhelmed by fugitora's power in dressrosa when he's gotten massively stronger since then and even in dressrosa he managed to attack fugitora despite that crazy gravity bb's yami yami no mi has never shown gravity greater than fugitora's zushi zushi no mi
Blackbeard's crew has several unknown members abilities I can't say past their durability they can't apply devastating damage; we know what Zoro and Sanji are capable of going all out. Two vs Nine or Ten Titanic Captains Sanji and Zoro are not winning. Zoro could not take out a Seraphim he matched well with alone cuffed to Kaku. Even taking a blade strike from S Hawk it did not cut Blackbeard the damage gets absorbed even as he takes the pain, he won't pass out, as a Yonkou two subordinates are not taking Blackbeard down with his crew backing him. Luffy could not do that we saw him try at Whole Cake.
Narratively, would Oda ever write Black Beard losing to Zoro?? Reigley literally stated that he would lose to Blackbeard. Reigley was able to fight equally with Kizaru for a time. Kizaru, while mentally nerfed, was able to fight G5 Luffy. Larry buggin as usual.
One of things I like about Blackbeard is that I think it’s pretty clear he’s going to get stronger as the story progresses. I like that he is not an OP villian way off in the distance he’s progressing just like any hero. It makes him a compelling character. How strong your villain is, is not the be all and end all of their value to a story. When it’s all said and done the fact that he’s not that OP right now but will be in the future will age like a fine wine I’m calling it now.
Blackbeard doesn't want smoke with Luffy nor Zoro right now. The fact that he was waiting for one of the crew to catch them off guard from their battle at Wano should tell you enough. They both beat BB in my eyes high - extreme diff. With all due respect BB is strong right now, I do see him not wanting smoke with Luffy nor Zoro.
Blackbeard is not a better “fighter” and he doesnt need to be. His fighting style is like Super Ego Vegeta, which is taking in the damage of the opponent, and shocking the enemy by coming right back harder. Blackbeard wouldnt dodge Zoro’s attacks. He would take it, act hurt, and then immediately recover, shocking Zoro , suck him and his weapons in with gravity and strike back with quake-coated attacks. Blackbeard’s durability is insane. Think of the way he fought Ace. He didnt dodge a single attack from Ace. He took all that fire and haki damage. And in the end overpowered Ace. This is a man that scarred Shanks and even Rayleigh admits that if they did fight, Rayleigh would have lost. Zoro at this level is not stronger than Shanks or Rayleigh. Blackbeard would absolutely win.
If zoro is not beating Mihawk I don’t see him beating BB. Even though I can concede styles make fights and maybe zoro is a bad match up for BB. But those hacks are high key crazy.
@@ultramix9696Sebastian si glazing bb and larry is just hating. I think bb can beat zoro and other yc but he would get bodied by luffy and that combined yonko attack
@@ultramix9696They are either overrating him or hating on him. I have heard bad bb takes from Sebastian and Larry. He is nowhere near yonko level but he can beat zoro.
I know power scaling people hate this argument but obviously if you look at feats you can make and argument for Zoro > Blackbeard but narratively I don’t see Zoro taking it over the guy with two OVERPOWERED devil fruits and haki and is built up to be this big bad, if Luffy’s right hand can just pack him up he wouldn’t make for a good end game villain
BB is easily the weakest Yonko, and it isn’t close, but saying he loses to ANY YC, yall trippin. We saw old Garp pulling off one of the greatest Haki feats in the entire series, and his equal is sengoku. 2 years ago, when BB just got the Gura, and he hadn’t even had the darkness fruit for a year by this point, was able to injure Sengoku. It’s been 2 years since that point, and he’s become significantly stronger since. The darkness fruit isn’t useless against non fruit users, it still attracts everything because it has the properties of gravity. We literally see Zoro in dressrosa being held down by gravity, so assuming the same couldn’t happen just because, it makes negative sense. And the Gura is absolutely dealing damage. One shot or not, there’s 0 argument to say it won’t do anything. It’s not even close, BB would absolutely stomp Zoro. Mid dif AT BEST.
Friend, it's obvious that these guys haven't seen One Piece, no matter how much it hurts Zoro has nothing to do against Blackbeard, the guy besides the Yami Yami, has the Gura Gura the most destructive fruit of all, in addition to having haki and that only if they reach him on his crew. And the other thing, if we remove Luffy and Blackbeard, Teach's crew would win without a doubt, currently the only ones who can fight them are Zoro, Sanji and Jimbe, and maybe they can even kill one or another but at 10 together they don't even defeat them at this point in the story without a power up, nami, chopper, ussop and brook, they would only get in the way in a hypothetical fight with teach
Maaaaan my boy can’t follow this take , manga states that after BB ate two fruits only the Remaining OG emperors could take him 1vs1 meaning you had to at least be on Emperor level to take him on.
This should kill it all if I’m not trippin, whenever roger fought whitebeard (prime) even tho we never really seen there fights u think whitebeard didn’t utilize his df? And if he didn’t do uk why? In a fight against roger uk he used his df to try and give him sun edge and if he didn’t it’s bc the df wasn’t strong enough to overcome a strong level of CH we can guess that roger win more fights than whitebeard in there rivalry and that’s why Roger was the pirate king instead of him u can say whitebeard didn’t wanna be pirate king and just wanted a family but at the end of the day we know he wasn’t just finna bs around wit the strongest pirate he knew besides rocks
Bro zoro didn't take the full brunt of the hakai from kaido and big mom He wedged it for just a few seconds before Law got them outta there. The hero of the day was law, I can't believe people refuse to acknowledge it.
Props to Larry and Lawrence for intentionally having terrible takes for content
My Glorious king Blackbeard solos them no fruit!!!!!!
Shanks saying Blackbeard was a problem even before he got his two devil fruits is all the proof we need to settle this debate once and for all.
Were did that problem went when he was against Old Near Dead WB ???
just beacuse blackbeard has whithbeard devil fruit dosnt make him at that level and shanks was not saying that blackbeard was a problem for him he said that beacause ace was going after him and that was his whole point of coming to whitebeard and telling him to stop ace going after him it was for ace not for himself oh other yonkos oh other strong people in one peace
The fact that Shanks identified Blackbeard as a serious threat even before Blackbeard acquired two Devil Fruits speaks volumes about Blackbeard's strength and cunning as a pirate. Shanks, one of the Yonko (the four emperors), is known for his calm demeanor and measured approach, so his concern about Blackbeard carries significant weight. This suggests that Blackbeard's physical abilities, intelligence, and overall combat skills were already formidable, making him a dangerous adversary independent of the power gained from Devil Fruits.
Additionally, Shanks admitting that Blackbeard scarred him during a moment when Shanks was fully prepared and guarded adds another layer to Blackbeard's reputation. It implies that Blackbeard's ability to inflict damage on Shanks, a top-tier fighter, was not a matter of luck or underhanded tactics but a demonstration of genuine skill and capability. This moment also highlights Blackbeard's capacity to catch even the most powerful opponents off-guard, further cementing his role as a looming threat in the One Piece world.
@@tashfeenkhan3658 It was for Shanks. You forgetting when he said Blackbeard gave him that scar before he got any devil fruit and Shanks was on guard. He was telling Whitebeard if Blackbeard could do that to him without a devil fruit Ace needs to back off
@@SuperICEMAN15 how strong was Shanks when BB did that though?
I feel bad for Seb man, they really do just bait him in every argument. I can’t wait to see Blackbeard pack people up and Seb gets to say “I told you”
Who would Blackbeard ever pack up in a fair one on one? It isn't in Blackbeard's nature.
@@danyal6181 so we gonna act like ace never existed 🤔
What is this, street fighter? Blackbeard doesn’t fight 1v1. Blackbeard jumps MF’ers and only fights when he knows he can win. That’s what makes him dangerous.
@@ndibunwapeter9013 So are we going to act like at the start ace didn't fight with burgess and van auger before Blackbeard? How convenient you leave that out. Infact BB had a lackluster performance against ace, with ace landing several attacks, blitzing BB in moments and countering even whilst being at a disadvantage as he didn't know Blackbeards abilities whereas BB knew all about ace.
@@Plunder13 So you contradict your original comment. Blackbeard won't pack anyone up, it will be with the help of other characters.
The bb downplay is crazy, this is the same dude a freaking yonko considers his biggest threat, like why would shanks be concerned of a man that loses to a yc???
Using feats to argue is just being biased when we know most of the top tiers lack feats
I think it is more zoro glazing than bb downplay. If it would be kizaru vs blackbeard way more people would argue in bb favor.
Feats are pretty much all we have though, why would we scale with something we have yet to see? We’re not scaling off of potential…..
b/c BB doesn't do fair 1v1 in universe & the argument is Zoro vs BB in a clean 1v1. Shanks is scared of BB's potential threat (knowledge to gain 2 DFs, hunting strong fruits, & connection to Rocks, Strange body/Never Sleeps, gaining allies like Shiryu & Kuzan & becoming a Warlord + having a secret master plan) not BB's ability to fight 1v1
@everettmalone
so nami/ usopp beats dragon,Imu? understood 👍
@@ndibunwapeter9013 I feel like it’s a bit disingenuous to use an example like that… but I understand the sentiment, so let me rephrase it like this. If we’re talking about Blackbeard up against a character like zoro, while BB had feats, they’re not impressive enough compared to someone like zoro to confidently say he would win against him
I swear they be gaslighting seb half the podcast
Which one is seb, sorry first episode
Guy in the middle@@JasonFlemingMusic
That Larry dude is using all the words in the world to avoid saying the real reason he belives BB loses:
«I don’t like him, and don’t want him to win.»
Or he just not strong enough
@@time5432 Plenty strong, plenty cunning, plenty versatile. Bye bye Zoro.
Fax
@@time5432 he is not yonko level. However he should be able to beat zoro
@@Mrfish603 He's dangerous enough to have Shamks himself going after him and you're telling me he is not yonko level? Blackbeards devil fruit increases the pain taken from attacks but absorbs some of the damage, it's a no brainer that Blackbeard is extremely dangerous and would wipe the floor with anyone that is not yonko level.
Why does Larry act like Akainu was supposed to die from WB? If Zoro can beat Akainu and BB right now then Luffy might as well be Goku.
0:35 look at Larry’s face he’s plotting the worst take of 2024 😂
Blackbeard literally laughed off Law's awakeneing attack that broke all of big moms bones. Even at marineford, he endured a gura to the head, he tanked sengokus shockwaves, and his own gura could block sengokus shockwaves.
Yall be taking that Haki above all statement too seriously, all Kaido was saying was that you cannot become pirate king or rule the seas without great haki and that you dont need a devil fruit to rule the seas like Roger. Doesn't mean the character who has better haki wins against every character who has worse haki. The Gura fruit is so underrated because of this.
Blackbeard cant negate fruits in this situation but he can still use the yami fruit to pull Zoro in and then gura fruit him to the head. Zoro is losing this it shouldnt be a debate.
You are speaking facts 💯
You comparing a Full Health BB taking a attack to Big Mom who already Endured way too many Attacks even before Awakening ????
@@mahirsharma7789 The awakenings were the attacks that truly hurt Big Mom, the other attacks were doing some dmg but not significant enough
Tell that to brainless Zoro fans
Did not break all of big moms bones. Blackbeard wouldve lost without van augur. Point blank woulda been in the ocean. Couldnt even beat law 1v1. Zoro is packing him like a can of tuna.
Why Larry try to use the 2 Quake Punches on Akainu as downplay? Akainu is a top tier who was fleet admiral level, he’s SUPPOSED to endure that and he got heavily damaged both externally and internally. Larry acting like WB failed to kill Pre-TS lucci in two hits 😂 I’ve seen a Drunken V2 Kaido (that amps his haki + bigger physical body) hit a Base Luffy clean in the head with aCoC thunder baguas and Luffy was still fine and got right back up and he took multiple Kanabo acoc attacks from him too. Are we saying Kaido’s acoc attacks is also weak/not lethal ?
He wasn't fleet admiral level.
@@garpnewgateyes he was they're stated to be above sengoku and kuzan is stated by the gorosei to be the single strongest man in the Navy
@@williebo510 absolutely none of that was ever stated. If you think he was fleet admiral level during the Paramount War then you don't actually understand the gap between him/the other admirals and Sengoku/Garp. Also, I hope you understand that the Kuzan panel calling him the strongest is a Viz mistranslation (something very common for them).
@garpnewgate send me your discord, Instagram, Twitter or any form of messenger app I'll send all the scans and shut you tf up bcuz yes yes it was stated 😂😂
@garpnewgate the kuzan panel isn't a mistranslation bcuz it gets backed up in databook deep blue 😂
The problem with sebs argument is that he's not taking into account the skill that's needed to use the gura at peak capability. Just because you have a strong devil fruit doesn't mean you can use it to its full power. Blackbeard hasn't shown high levels of skill with either of his devil fruits, they're both just really strong. When looking at the general argument, i think zoro beat Blackbeard with high, maybe extreme difficulty, because of zoro's overall dominantion in any combat focused stats except potential destructive capability in comparison to Blackbeard.
BB’s feats thus far: Scarred shanks, finished WB after tanking multiple quakes and a slash down his shoulder. Took direct attacks from Sengoku and got up pissed off. Smashed Ace mid diff. Defeated Jewerly Bonnie. Defeated Marco + Remnants of Whitebeard pirates post war. Snuck up on Boa. Fended off a SERAPHIM during a surprise attack and tanked getting blown through a massive stature like it tickled. But yet they say the man has no fears when literally all of his bodies he’s caught since DAY ONE have been high level opponents. People just hate him bc he tries to avoid 1v1s, but he’s a mf pirate 😂 and the argument Blackbeard couldn’t push back law is wild. He DEF could’ve if he’s capable of uppercutting Whitebeard and making him catch air or nearly breaking Aces neck with a karate chop. He needed Law to get in position so he can use his other hand to snag Law 😅 why push someone back if you can end the fight instantly ☠️ Zoro is not beating him currently, the yami pulls him in and the gura smashed him with the other hand. And even if Zoro can strike close, BB is NOT going down to one strike
Finally someone does not underestimate the yami
And I’m NOT saying zoro beats BB, I’m just saying he’s not a crazy feat filled character. He’s a coward pirate, and it’s clear than he’s written that way. He is the EXACT opposite of luffy. Luffy is a pirate and behaves so… BUT he has morales. Respect, empathy, and honor. Blackbeard has NONE of either. That’s the point, he’s grimey and slimey. He could NEVER be a whitbeard. But he isn’t supposed to be. He’s a luffy opponent so ofc zoro isn’t cooking him, but zoro has way better stats… AND 100% feats
Very long paragraph and yet you have not listed a singular good argument somehow. I know you might disagree so hears the facts.
1. Whitebeard was quite literally already dying.
2. Not a singular opponent that you listed is better than King and definitely doesn't beat Zoro
3. BB has never once in his life shown durability that states that he could tank Zoros attack
4. BB has also never shown the AP that would beat Zoro(He has tanked much stronger attacks)
5. The evidence would simply show that Zoro is 1 faster 2 stronger 3 more durable 4 Able to counter any attacks BB would throw
All you have is narrative. More power to you but if were just going off stats nothing you stated helps.
@ so ignore him tanking back to back blows from Whitebeard and Sengoku? I stated Whitebeard was almost dead, but he was still rocking Akainu half deaf and bro was feeling them blows so to say BB tanking anything from someone who could still harm an admiral is still a feat. Then Sengoku?? What’s your argument about Sengoku?? Like he outright tanked his attacks and was fine?? Everyone says he has no durability feats but I mean tanking someone’s attacks who boxed with Roger on the daily is pretty crazy. And yeah, Zoro is faster than BB but I mean the yami nullifies speed. Ask Boa and Law about that. OP has shown that Fujitora and BB’s devil fruit work kind of in the same way that once you’re in it, it’s got you. And saying Blackbeard hasn’t fought anyone kings level is just cap bro. Law?? And He beat up Marco in the post war, Robin told Luffy that. If I remember correctly, Marco was boxing with both king and queen right? Maybe I’m wrong idk, but Zoro can’t fly, meaning Blackbeard can take full control of the battlefield and make Zoro jump around to avoid the vortex he can create on the floor. Yk, the same vortex that had S-Shark scrambling to high ground? Zoro goes airborne he’s prone to the yami and air cracking sea quakes.
Zoro is going to hit him a lot in the fight, but the yami combo is crazy. If he tries to cut him after being grabbed by the yami, Blackbeard has the gura to either block or just straight rock him at close range. Oh and BB tanked a shock wile and laughed about it, which I know Zoro wouldn’t laugh at if he got hit by it 😭🙏. In the air he’s a problem too, he nearly shattered the entire island from the sky in his battle with law. Blackbeard is far too versatile, intelligent, and strategic to lose in a head to head battle. Rayleigh and Shanks are two people who have stated they would either outright lose (Rayleigh) or that he’s way too dangerous for someone like Ace (a guy who’s defeated a warlord, stalemated Jinbe and Yamato(who scales relative or higher then zoro depending on who you ask), and was leagues stronger then Zoro pretimeskip etc etc)to go after. If BB was that strong pretimeskip to be able to take attacks from Sengoku, Whitebeard, and utterly destroy Ace, why would he be any weaker post timeskip plus gura? Like zoro just got to kings level in Wano, BB beat up Marco at that point. It’s y’all to keep saying ‘narrative’ which is written by Oda btw. If he has Shanks saying, hey he scarred me with no devil fruit and he’s too much of a threat for even Ace. Hey, I believe Oda. Y’all see Shanks say that and y’all like no feats bro nuh uh 😭 like if you don’t wanna go with any narrative then you probably believe Usopp is stronger then Dragon because Dragon got no feats 😭🙂↔️ like narrative is A PART of the story not just background dialogue 🤷🏾♂️
@@time5432buddy Marco was beating up King and Queen together BB washed the WB’s crew this was before Aokiji joined them too and they all got their DF’s so yea…. Marco beats king that King win is so overhyped by Zoro! 1. On steroids while doing it! 2. Literally was seeing death after beating the guy almost died! 3. King was a one trick pony, once even a simpleton like Zoro can figure out that flame trick the rest is easy from there! Unpopular opinion Queen was a harder opponent to fight! Invisible feat, Germa weapons, crazy strength, more mental strength than King since King wanted to get in his feelings over his mask cracking, while Queen literally got in Sanji’s head with the trash talking and dirty hands on type. Has more feats but I’ve type enough.
Durability and Endurance is NOT the same thing. People really gotta stop mixing those up. Durability is ability to withstand pressure and damage, endurance is to keep going through difficult situations despite damage and fatigue. Blackbeard don’t need durability, his endurance is crazy and he takes double the damage. He’s been stabbed, burned, organs cut through, quaked to the face, and more and still got back up.
His durabilty is however questionable
@@Mrfish603how is his durability questionable when He takes 2x the damage from everything and still hasn’t died. Hes one of the most durable people in the series.
The energy from this debate just made me think if that one clip "she was the wicked witch of the west bro" 😂
😂😂😂😂
This is the best comment right here
We gotta acknowledge the fact King actively lowered his durability throughout the fight. Final class King had heavily diminished durability in order to increase his offense
Y'all Zoro fans really dont believe bb has acoc??
Not a zoro fan but thats never been confirmed
He hasn't. In my opinion BB has two souls. When someone ko's BB he will stand up with a different Personality (Maybe Rocks)
But the normal BB we have seen many times is would lose against sanji or Franky.
@@zerogravity8982 this might be the worst take i have ever seen
I love zoro but he’s not taking on BB in his fight with king he wasn’t able to keep using ACOC for long he literally said he had to finish this up before the blade drains all his haki right before his final clash with king and the crazy ending😂😂😂 which mean zoro hasn’t even fully mastered it which makes sense since luffy barely was able to master it just recently in his fight with Kaido I think zoro needs to master it before he can take on a Yonko level threat
@@ShisuiDUchiha He utilizes conquerors better in the manga now with better understanding and mastery.
The yami yami no mi is more effective against devil fruit users but its powers of gravity work on anyone so even if they don’t have devil fruits that gravity power can still be a factor in fights I feel like that’s not disused enough cause it was used in the guards of impel down and it left them either in a comatose state or dead so it can work on non devil fruit users
This Zoro agenda gotta stop. Seb is right how y’all gonna say he can take a combined emperor attack and use that as an excuse but then say he can’t beat Luffy when none of you believe Luffy can beat Kaido and Big Mom at the same time? Also are we forgetting how Zoro was the only person on that rooftop out of commission and needed a miracle drug from chopper to fight again?! They acting like he tanked the attack and then went straight to fighting King. Man literally saw the grim reaper.
While you are right, I think you are forgetting the fact that Zoro, even though he didn't tank the attack, was still able to get up after said attack and then perform ashura onto kaido. It's not about him being able to outright tank the ikkoku sovereignty. It's about him being able to get back up and attack after getting hit with such a deadly attack. Personally I don't think BB is outputting anything nearly on the level of that combined yonko attack on his own(you are crazy if you think he is) so id say Zoro has a better chance at taking a gura attack from BB than you think and then getting back up and hitting BB with a strong acoc sword attack. I do wanna preface my thoughts by saying that I don't necessarily think BB is weak or anything like that. It's just his statements and then his feats are inconsistent. Statement wise he has shanks shook but feat wise, he almost lost to law, got smacked around Amazon lily by s hawk(who Zoro defeated btw) and almost lost to a 1 hp whitebeard who was bleeding out and had multiple massive holes in his body and had to jump him to secure the win. BB is dangerous because of his planning and cunning not because of his overall strength
@@DivineZenkaihe didn't even fully block the attack. He held it for a few seconds before Law saved him. Zoro would have been dead if Law didn't come to help him.
@@DivineZenkai a Blackbeard who just got to Gura was able to tilt the sea with all of marineford, cause a tsunami accidentally on another part of the world and was able to go neg and counter Sengoku’s own attack on him, Zoro is not taking a full hit and fighting the same. You act like Blackbeard wouldn’t get back up either, no one has yet been able to beat Blackbeard and he always gets back up, how you say that for Zoro but ignore that for BB? Because he looked like he got hurt? His devil fruit multiplies incoming damage. (Except Magellan but almost everyone lost to him. )
@@DivineZenkaiHim getting sent back by shawk is animefiller. Also using pre timeskip feats is wild. By that logic luffy still loses to magellan. The only reason law almost won was because bb was over the sea. On the ground he won the fight. Zoro would also struggle a lot with law in a fight. Zoro can tank a quake but the problem will be that bb has crazy aoe and versatility which would stop zoro from using his strong attacks. If he breaks the ground for example, zoro could not use strong offensive attacks as there is no ground under him.
@@AnimeALX a fraction of a second not a few seconds, the anime extended it but it was def not a few seconds
Gura downplay is pretty crazy u can argue it’s now what it’s hyped to be by certain people but it’s pretty dumb same with the Yami the ace fight shows it bb doesn’t need relative speed to dominate a speed battle cus of the yami. For the gura if we’re being honest when bb gets arrogant it leads to him not being as cautious fighting wise and taking more damage based on context. The slash wb landed while bb was arrogant was a good damage feat but the gura did so much more imagine an attack like the final one he did on Akainu to bb at that point. That tells u everythint abt the guras power and we have no reason to believe he hasn’t gotten atleast decently stronger over the 2 years.
Bb wins high diff but i think the yami will be the deciding factor on why he wins the fight. As the fruit allows bb to control over gravity to an extent and gives him a lot of versatility.
@@Mrfish603 i don’t really think it gets to high, I mean to what I remember BBs pre time skip feats are mid fighting sengoku then sengoku and garp in that mf scenario isn’t actually that impressive in context.There’s a lot to be factored in when fighting the gura while trying to protect and not destroy marineford. Post time skip he just fights law but it’s eh we know law doesn’t push him to even mid based on the fact he’s not even slightly injured but I think u can technically argue law was in that fight vs restricted bb for a while but I don’t know how. Given my personal scaling of law he wouldn’t need to be unrestricted to win but all in all the unrestricted gura is too much given. Both have good endurance and bb overall would have the advantage
but BBs scaling is a mystery overall, yes bb is arrogant but being comfortable enough to fight the entire strawhats, in what would be in BBs mind by himself, is concerning. Even factoring important things for both sides like bb thinking he can return luffy to a normal state without his rubber abilities and gears (even his brand new one to bb) it’s still concerning.
How are we still debating whether Blackbeard has Conquerors haki?
ZKBB is the new ZKK now 😂
😂😂😂 this zoro glazer think he low diffs bb. They are just as bad as the sanji fanboys
I see you've been around the bend a few times 😂😂
The Yami doesn't just disable DFs though. The Yami consumes all and crushes it as well
I swear people do not understand that the yami is still very useful against non df users. I would argue the yami is more dangerous for zoro than the gura because of versatility and gravity Manipulation.
Exactly for some reason people think yami is only good against df users lmao, it's a devil fruit why would people be immune to this? Well unless they got exceptional haki maybe?
Zoro goes Ashura and Blackbeard disables it with a mere touch on the shoulder 🤣
@@WellDoneOnTheInternetEverybodybruh It Disable DF abilities
Retards 😂😂
Read the Manga Properly
@@WellDoneOnTheInternetEverybody? He can not do that
HOW IS THIS A DEBATE. Boyssss do better cmon, Blackbeard destroys Zoro
This was a cringeworthy watch
@@JimmyHopkins-bw9jb its for views they cant believe that
I love the fellas but this was a massive L lol
It completely lacks reading comprehension it’s just power scaling math bs and gaslighting. Do they really think that Oda thinks Blackbeard loses to Zoro?..
Explain convincingly what Blackbeard can do to Zoro to make Blackbeard win.
Haki is not over devil fruits, outstanding Haki is.
Law needed an outburst of Haki to undo a weaker devil fruit user in Doc Q.
Now lets say Zoro needs Conqueror Haki to negate BB Devil fruit pull from his Kurozu, to not have his stance broken, something Zoro STILL doesnt know how to use, so now, You have a Zoro playing defensive, when its literally fighting a losing battle, Finally, the best chance Zoro has, is getting a counterattack on BB while receiving a devastating attack, and then relenting.
Naaah you Zoro fanboys are so high on cope, when a weaker BB managed to Scar Shanks, the haki god of obserbation Haki.
Zoro has the strongest level of haki, which is advanced conquerors. So he has outstanding haki.
Secondly if zoro is facing a Yonko he's going to be outputting conquerors naturally, so he's going to negate the yamis pull. Even if you want to say zoro couldn't do that it doesn't matter. Infact I've seen BB try to pull ace in with the yami and ace counter BB mid air.
Zoro has insane range and can attack from anywhere, BB pulling zoro in is the worst thing BB can do because he ain't boxing with zoro in the pocket especially if zoro is using advanced conquerors.
@@danyal6181 naturally outputing conqueror, I dont even know where you pulled that one, maybe when he first used conqueror in HIS SWORDS, not on himself, so yeah he can be pulled, next, Ace is a logia, and he doesnt really need an stance to use his full strenght, not the same can be said about SWORD USER, or any weapon user, next yes, pulling Zoro in close Quarter is dumb, but the point still stand, BB can use Kurozu to break his posture and then molly whop him, and Zoro cant output the same level of strenght of attack from afar, you know who can, BB with Gura Gura, so yeah, take another hit of copium and come back dear. Ah right almost forgot, you are giving that 3 IQ style the benefits of the doubt that he knows that Haki can be used to deter Akuma no mi, and seeing how long it took him to realize the Seraphim were Lunarian, so yeah, come back stronger next time.
@@Rhovanni Your saying copium while lying it's absolutely ironic
1. Zoro cut Kaido form range. Lmao what are you talking about
2. Putting Conquerors Haki in your swords means that you are extending it from yourself. (Your point is fruitless)
3. Nothing BB has done has shown AP that is stronger than Zoro's durability
@@time5432Here comes a New Challenger.
Zoro cut Kaido from range? If you mean the paper cut he did to his face, yeah he did.
Next, extending Haki from yourself???? When the only thing that is blacken and shooting Black lighting were his sword, another hard cope for the Zoro Fanboys.
If tanking a quake to the jaw from an enraged Shirohige is not a durability feat then I dont know what you want, also still doesnt matter when BB can simply outrange him and just foderized Zoro. Come on Zoro Fanboys, cope harder.
@@RhovanniAre you dumb or something? Against king Emma was forcing zoro to go all out with his haki, zoro was knocking out fodder pirates passively, he was naturally outputting conquerors haki without even recognising it . The king of hell state is literally zoro using advanced conquerors 24/7.
So no if BB wanted to pull zoro he couldn't because zoro naturally exudes the strongest level of haki in king of hell state.
BB can "break his posture" that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard because we have seen zoro attack whilst being in the air before, zoro whilst attacking in the air literally had big mom calling for kaido to dodge and the range of zoros attack was so great it sliced off onigashimas horn. Zoros final attack against king was king of hell dragon damnation in which zoro wasn't on the ground, he was in the air to land the attack 😂 so this point about zoro being a swordsman and that he needs his posture on the ground is ridiculous.
Yes zoro can output the same strength from afar, zoro can attack from any range. If he coats his air slashes in advanced conquerors haki they are doing significant damage to BB, we have seen zoros slices go from the rooftop all the way past onigashimas horn, that is ridiculous range.
Secondly BB can attack from far true but I saw the admirals use basic haki to deflect the gura, In fact I've seen law not be damaged by a named attack from BB at range by the gura. If BB is going to damage zoro it has to be up close where BB can punch him. So take another copium shot and come back.
I didn't say zoro knows that haki can negate devil fruits, I said if zoro is fighting against someone like BB he's going to be naturally outputting conquerors haki due to enma and king of hell which would negate devil fruit abilities.
So ye, come back with something of substance.
Bajrang Gun isn't stronger than the dual yonko attack either. It's just a bigger target for Zoro to cut.
But Zoro > Blackbeard in a 1v1. Blackbeard > Zoro against a df user.
Akainu is closer to Marco than a Yonko.
Omg, Seb is talking to big rocks at this point. These guys are delusional. Zoro fan boys needa chill
It's funny that even shanks doesn't underestimate BB...and these dudes are comparing Zoro to him😅😅
They're really underestimate Blackbeard's crew. Let's look at the set of powers. What are going to do about a person who can teleport and snipe from any distance a person. Sanji is fast but not so fast that he can catch someone teleporting. A person who can go invisible who's supposed to be one Zorro's endgame fight. Also a person who can transform into someone else. A person who can become the land theirselves and attack them from the ground. You got someone who can go Giant. We've seen what happened with Garp that wasn't even the whole crew. Getting jump makes a difference huge difference especially when there's no one that can help you. Okay I like Zorro but there's no way he's beating Blackbeard. He cannot cut the Quake it's not a physical thing. If he gets pulled into the black hole he's definitely going to be in danger. Also there's an attack we haven't seen that keeps getting pulled off screen. Even if you could cut it it wouldn't stop shock waves. Sanji has never hit any type of woman no matter what they look like. So they're just going to keep putting her in front of him.
Nah his Crew is pretty mediocre besides van augar and maybe lafitte but bb wins high diff against zoro.
@Mrfish603 This is them getting jumped. Zorro got jumped and hurt when he was stabbed by the scythe. All of them are strong, like Lafitte that guy per time skip snuck up everyone in the conference room with the Admirals. We still don't know how he does that only clue we have it might be hypnosis. Also Blackbeard's crew they all have great teamwork each time I seem them fight they set up the next person for the next attack. They took Aokiji out of it but it said, the crew without Blackbeard so that includes him too. It's way too much for those two. They are the endgame fight also they might actually have seen them fight and took Intel since they were on the same Island and they have a character that can disguise themselves.
@@redmaxxs I agree if he gets jumped he gets bodied. Look what happened to garp who is stronger than zoro when he only was against one half of the Crew. People underestiameds how hard it is to fight multiple people at once especially if you are not a durabilty monster.
@@Mrfish603 Calling a crew of OP fruit users mediocre is outrageous. They're some of the most dangerous mfers in the entire verse.
Blackbeard definitely wins we just don’t know why. That darkness fruit has a secret just like luffy’s fruit
Feats are irrelevant. We can see the story being told. Zoro is getting folded like laundry
While I see what Larry is saying, Blackbeard really hasn’t shown much impressive. He’s not wrong. I can’t picture him beating zoro. But he should. I know he’s strong enough, I just can’t see it happening, look at their interactions with S-hawk.
But we do know Blackbeard should be above zoro.
We know he had to beat Marco post war, and this was before getting better haki in the timeskip. We also have Rayleigh saying he’d lose to black beard, black beard over powers boa, and pre gura black beard beat ace, who should be YC+-YC2 level
BB punching straight through Zoro’s strongest attack will be an amazing moment to witness.
Lmao he's not stronger than Kaido
If you go of feats Zoro, plus the fact that Blackbeard couldn't block the s hawk slash and Zoro could easily, Zoro has better feats but Blackbeard is cooking from what we know
How didnt he block it? He took zero damage. And that was a mountain busting slash to say we seen anything like in egghead from s hawk is baseless
Saying "if you go off feats" is pointless, when it's literally impossible for Zoro to be stronger than bb, y'all always keep forgetting bb is a freaking yonko.
"Bb couldn't block a hawk slash"
I Hope you remember bb was defending himself against s hawk with his BARE HANDS, while Zoro needed his swords to stop s hawk slashes
He did block it.
You know that him getting knocked back is anime filler. In the mange they were clashing. Bb was also not using his hax which is his biggest strenth. Zoro has also more experience figting mihawk than bb. Next time use an actual manga panels.
@ndibunwapeter9013 Blackbeard used haki and he doesn't even have ryo from what we know and Zoro did it without haki and casually blocked it, Blackbeard blocked it but got sent back fair but Zoro literally blocked it and didn't move with ease, plus like I said Blackbeard still cooking so he's probably stronger but if you go off actual stated stuff Zoro wins but you are right it doesn't make sense story wise but Blackbeard needs to feats to bsck it up that's just my view on it
Why are we acting like the yami yami no mi's only ability is to negate devil fruits? It produces infinite gravity stated by bb, it has the destructive capacity to eradicate a town😭 the gura gives Blackbeard long range and short range attack abilities, even if zoro keeps his distance, bb can use the yami to draw zoro in and hit him with a gura punch
BB Mid-diffs zoro.
I don't think he will even need to use the other devil fruit.
Now I can't wait for BB to pack up Shanks 😂😂
Please Explain how he'll do it ? Don't just Spam Nonsense here
Zoro legit Scarred Hybrid Kaido and is BB Dura above Kaido ??? Sure BB has Gura and Yami but Armament Exist
@@mahirsharma7789
You are talking like Kaido was going all out against Zoro. He wasn't even using Acoc against Zoro. And that whole rooftop fight wasn't 1v1.
BB also have Armament Haki and Gura Gura No mi can legitly create tsunami. BB will just destroy the ground Zoro is standing on. Zoro won't be able to get close to BB.
@@mahirsharma7789 he didn’t scare kaido at all. Mf has ptsd from oden and zoro had his sword during dragon form. When he hit him in hybrid with ashura he acknowledged he had conquers haki. Oda has set up BB vs shanks since marine ford. He already scarred him. Oda is setting up shanks vs bb post time skip. Shanks going to wano looking for bb. He’s a final villain and Oda will not write bb losing to shanks. It won’t be a 1v1 but BB will win
@@mahirsharma7789you do need to be crazy durable to beat zoro. I doubt mihwak is crazy durable
@@amansharma4358 Tsunami ?? Zoro can swim , Zoro has Ryuo too , I'm just saying He Scarred Kaido who's Dura is superior to BB
This is what its like arguing with a narcassist 😂😂
zoro is faster, has way better haki, better durability, and better overall AP from what we have been shown. AND BLACKBEARD TAKES DOUBLE DAMAGE😂blackbeard needs to level up before stepping to the monster trip
Bb has better aoe, verstality, offene, dc and hax (arguably even endurance). So do not act like zoro is bodying bb and is on the level as luffy. It would be a hard fight for bb but he pulls it because zoro lacks the experience and knowledge fighting someone like bb. He is mainly used to fight swordsman.
He needs to level up to fight luffy but not for zoro and sanji. Also he does not take double damage. He takes double pain
@@Mrfish603 Pointless stats tbh having better aoe, DC and hax (hax which don't work on zoro btw) is not significant compared to all the stats zoro is above BB for instance speed, ap, skill, durability, haki etc
Both zoro and Luffy beat Blackbeard. Luffy just has an easier time. "Zoros lack of experience fighting someone like Blackbeard" so a devil fruit reliant fighter ? Zoro has fought more characters similar to Blackbeard than he has swordsman. So that point is just absolutely ridiculous.
The same argument can be thrown back at you and it actually is substantial, being that BB hasn't fought a single person like zoro. All of BB opponents have been devil fruit reliant characters who wield almost no haki feats.
@@Mrfish603 No BB needs a level up if he wants to compete with zoro, that level up needs to be haki related.
@@danyal6181I would say dc and aoe are important stats as it would not directly influence zoro but the battelfield as zoro can not fly. If bb for example uses Black hole to turn the ground into darkness zoro would definitley be able to break out of it. However it would slow him down and he would have to use haki to escape the affect. Bb could also use liberation to throw large objects at zoro which would distarct him and could also use the gura to break the ground and Marina it harder for zoro from using strong attack as he needs Solid ground under him because he can not fly. Hax in this matchup are not as Importen but i do think they will Player a role f.e. Black hole and quake crash. I meant that zoro like s hawk would be surprised if he Sees Black hole for the first time. If zoro Fights df users most of the time they are zoans for example lucci, king , kaku. i know that he also faugh t Logins and parameters but he never fought someone with 2 df. Zoro would definitley be shocked if he Sees a quake attack that can destroy Islands or Black holes. As for bb, he actually fought swordsman like s hawk and law( shanks also but we do not know the CIRCUMSTANCEs). Against swordsman he actually he is kind careful. He only got hit once by law because he was over the sea.
This whole debate is due to blackbeards weight in the narrative and the fact that he is protected by fate, it’s easy to see on paper zoro wins due to haki but we always see Blackbeard get his way through any means there’s no offense/defensive feats that even come close to what zoro has done but I totally see what seb means Blackbeard has that X factor and a lot of mystery, the fan base knows Blackbeard has a secret ace up his sleeve once that is revealed these debates will take no time at all 😂
Can’t believe they made a video of my question I’m glad my question was good enough and also zoro and sanji win high diff max with Blackbeard and kuzan involved without it’s mid to low dif sanji and zoro win
Also zoro claps Blackbeard mid to high diff in 1v1
@@Youngbulltrent it is at least exteme diff. The zoro glazing in this community is crazy. He is nowhere near luffy or kaido.
You obviously tripping
@ I can’t agree with that, Blackbeard doesn’t have the haki like zoro right now
@ nah bro just saying facts and also just look zoro would mid dif law and law out here banging with Blackbeard and almost winning and y’all ain’t seeing how disappointing Blackbeard is
Even if you think Zoro would win, it's not crazy to think he would lose. Didn't Raleigh say he prob couldn't beat BB? A man that could low dif gear 4 luffy, has all advanced forms of haki, held off kizaru. That must mean he's extremely powerful. We haven't seen BB go all out, but he's obviously extremely capable considering all the W's he has. I think yall are forgetting the yami yami is supposed to be one of the most powerful devil fruits, and it seems it is being reduced to something that just nerfs Devil Fruit powers. To think Zoro can win is fair, but to act like it's impossible he loses is a little crazy.
Also zoro blocked the attack for 2 seconds then got teleported. Larry and Lawrence tripping.
Zoro gets low diffed. Even if we argue conquerors can counteract the dark dark fruit, the tremor fruit demolishes him from range
The same fruit that did nothing to law😂
@@danielwaters57He literally needed to use his awakening to clash with a basic attack. By your logic lucci and luffy are relative as both were clashing
@Mrfish603 No, that's not at all the same thing. Luffy was literally sleeping while fighting lucci. Blackbeard took law as a VERY serious fight.
Another thing they perfectly explained in the video that his awakening only extended the length of his sword. Also said in the video and on the manga page, you can see Law is using no armament haki.
@@danielwaters57we do not know that bb took law completetly serious either. We literally know that part of his personality is underestimating his opponents. Also haki can be invincible and we see lightning when both of them clash
@Mrfish603 It doesn't matter if he was taking him completely serious or not , in no way is bb vs. law comparable to the unseriousness of luffy vs. lucci.
All haki is invisible. Oda only makes its appearance visible so we know when it's being used. Law did not use haki in the clash. There was only lightning because blackbeard was using armament haki, which makes this comparison all the more pitiful for blackbeard considering all that Law did was extend his sword, and here you have blackbeard using tremor infused with armament haki which does nothing.
Yoo chat was going off on this question and people started raging it was one of the funniest question/debate 😂😂
ZORO PACKS UP BB JUST SAYING 😂😂
@pattiimeltzz I love Zoro, its not close. Zoro at best left a scar on Kaido...The Gura Gura Nomi can split islands, what are we even talking about. Unless the quake is going crazy is nonsense. It was flipping oceans. Bb Darkness fruit and Liberation swallows in the least a whole town. Its too much to get through.
@ BB has no durability he slow and doesn’t have any conquers haki or any other dominate force of haki to compete. He can have whatever devil he needs. Zoro will split the gura gura, and the darkness fruit has no effect on zoro he not DF . Zoro would one shot him with a conquers attack he did to kaido. It’s just that simple. BB has to use his whole crew on 1 person cause he so weak. He couldn’t even do anything to a dying whitebeard he had to have his whole crew jump in.
BB is POSSIBLY luffy “end game” opponent because luffy the main character of the story
@pattiimeltzz Whether a person has a DF or not, how do you avoid getting sucked in by Darkness Fruit, vs Ace he took an entire town then Liberation. And your theory Im sorry is just dumb. When WB sent Tremors in Marinford...HOW MANY TIMES DID ANYONE SEE MIHAWK CUT THROUGH IT? WHY DID IT TAKE 3 ADMIRALS TO DEFLECT....IS ZORO 3 ADMIRALS STRONG? PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO TF TEACH IS AND IS GUESSING. Zoros greatest feat in the verse waa simply wounding Kaido who had a conversation, continued pummeling 4 of the worst Gen, then leveling up to pummel someone at Joyboys level....So how great actually was Zoros attack?
@ greater than anything BB can do 😂 it’s not theory either. Until we see BB do something on his own with out his whole crew jumping in or him sneaking people than it can be debated but until than Zoro packs him up real quick 👍. And one problem you have is no one said anything about mihawk, so trying to compare him to Zoro in this instant for cutting white beards attack makes no sense lol Zoro will pack BB up so will shanks just like how shanks packs up mihawk
@@pattiimeltzzBb hax would combined allow him to beat zoro. Lets Start with the yami as it is the more underrated df. The yami gives bb a lot versatility and control over gravity to an extent. He can use Black hole to turn the entire battlefield into darkness and slow zoro down and close the speed gap as zoro can not fly. He can also use liberation to throw large objects like buildings at zoro to distract him. Zoro would be able to defend from that attack but again he would get slowed down and he still needs to worry about the gura as bb can use both his df at the same time. Black Vortex allows bb to pull zoro in and close the distance. Sure you can say zoro could still slash him while he gets pulled. However It would be harder for zoro to use strong attacks as there would be no ground under him. While he gets pulled bb could also punch him with the gura. Now lets move to the gura. The gura gives bb crazy range, aoe and dc. Bb can destroy the ground under zoro and put him under under a lot of pressure as zoro does not have an ablitily that allows him to fly. The gura also been shown to block attacks from akainu(confirmed ryou user), sengoku (confirmed conq) and law(confiremed awakening). So he should be able to block most attacks from zoro and should be able to damage zoro significancantlly. In General zoro would barely be able to send slashes at bb as he would just spam his hax with way better range and aoe while zoro is protecting himself. Bb would spam until he finds an opening to attack. While I think zoro should definitley be able to Tank a hit and clash with the gura due to having superior haki, he would still need to worry about the yami and the battlefield breaking. Another point is that zoro has no knowledge about bb strange hax and not much experience fighting with oppenents with a lot of abilities. He would be definitively surprised by seeing attacks that can destroy Islands and Black holes which Puts him at a disadvantage. Because he does not have future sight, he would not be able to see attacks like Black hole coming similar to shawk. Another point is durabilty/endurance. While i think zoro is a tank, people underestimate bb endurance as he was able to recover from an attack that hurt bm who is arguably more durable than king. Even if zoro gets a hit on bb unless it is ashura he should be able to recover. Also people overrate him cutting king as he only cut king with his flames off. Even marco Was able to hurt king with his flames on. So the argument that king is way more durable than bb does not Apply as zoro never cut him with his flames on. Sure you can say that king with his flames off is still more durable than bb because he is a zoan. However the gap is not that big and bb has arguably better endurance as king is not used to getting hurt. In conlusion bb would be able to win that fight due to having better range, aoe, offense and hax. However it would be high diff due to zoros leathality.
And Zoro fanboys wonder why everyone calls their favorite character the most overrated and overestimated… how is a contender for luffy’s final villain fight getting beat by the second hand man. Luffy vs Blackbeard is already a debate with many saying it is at least high diff for either side and trust me not only is Zoro not stronger than Luffy but at best gets low-mid diffed by Luffy. Get Zoro passed kid, Law, Fugitora, Greenbull, and the five elders then we can have Zoro face off against Characters like Big mom, Blackbeard, Luffy, and etc. also you can Argue that Zoro has better feats but literally most of the top tiers are fearless or have little feats as all that stuff will be saved for later. As annoying as Akainu and Mihawk glazers are their character is at least confirmed by oda to be the current strongest in their field what is Zoro? The world’s strongest straw hat subordinate?…
Bb is a contender for luffy's final fight yes but that he's currently that strong he struggled with law and with bb current feats he doesn't look much stronger than Zoro.. Zoro has better durability endurance speed strength haki AP and most importantly he's not affected by bb's yami which makes it a hard fight for bb... Although I do think bb beats Zoro but it's not an easy fight for him.
PS: Zoro is already past kid and law neither of them are capable of beating Zoro.. kid hasn't done anything that puts him over Zoro and law is close but Zoro outstats him in pretty much all categories and haki except hax and biq
Justin had this convo w my cousin we both agreed zoro is cutting him down
We gotta let ppl stick to THEIR head canon until proven wrong because at the end of the day we genuinely don’t know until oda makes it happen and we’ve seen mismatch’s plenty that haven’t panned out how we envisioned. But BB isn’t that strong yet which is why he’s so meticulous with his moves because he knows he’s susceptible to loss
It’s just because bb doesn’t have the feats yet. When bb shows his feats he gonna make everyone realize he top 5
Zoro beats BB??? Bruh im the biggest zoro stan but he not beating a yonko bro
I think since blackbeard can be careless if zoro starts out in King of hell, he has a 90% chance against Blackbeard and if he starts out the fight normally from what we’ve been shown of blackbeard, I’d give him 50-50. But honestly, since we’ve never seen Blackbeard in a serious fight post time skip, We’ve never seen him go all out and don’t know what he truly is capable of yet. I’d even call his encounter with law a bit more than a scuffle if anything, and just showing his carelessness at times.
If I’m not mistaken they’ve stated that gate was wapol metal
This channel never ceases to amaze me with their Blackbeard downplay
the problem with the haki vs devil fruits arguement is that people assume blackbeard doesnt have crazy haki
Zoro can't beat Luffy, for one reason Gear 5's ability to be paramecia. He will affect the battle field or even Zoro himself
Why are we acting like bb wasn’t boxing with S-hawk and made it retreat after it saw one yami move like Rayleigh knew he couldn’t box with black beard how he was clashing with garp AND sengoku boxing. The first time he got the gura he tilted marine ford and cause tsunamis reaching farther than saboody which was better than an old whitebeard before the heart attacks
What I get from seb is that this matchup is debatable for both sides, he’s not automatically saying oh zoro claps, it’s like both guys have strengths & weaknesses that should be discussed, not he did this or that so that mean they can just clap, no debate. But seb can’t ever try to even it out without it becoming arguing & we get a “ cool bro” “so what” “who cares” & he’s cut off
Blackbeard got hurt by a gear 2 jet pistol 💀
That was pre timeskip. By that logic luffy is a smoker victim
Rayleigh admitted he would lose to BB. Teach retreated not simply because he is scared of Rayleigh in a 1v1, but because it wouldn't be a 1v1.
Rayleigh himself said that only the particulars of the situation made it possible to NEGOTIATE with Teach. Teach was faced with the prospect of losing two precious crewmembers, and then facing Coby, the Kuja pirates, 2 seraphim and Rayleigh on top of that. Of course, backing down made more sense. And he didn't just run away with his tail between his legs. Because he was still an overwhelming threat, he got his crew freed, was left to leave the island unbothered, and even took some marines as tribute. That's how he endes up with Coby as a prisoner.
Bruh ....they act like BB vs Law wasn't a thing. BB's haki powered quake fruit would demolish Zoro before he even gets a chance to fight and BB's armament haki is powerful enough to tank S-Hawk's slicing projectile from point blank. Crazy work.
Blackbeard Is Strong For Reasons Unknown Yet. Could Have Been EXPERIMENTED ON, Could Be A SPECIAL RACE HYBRID. They said He never Sleeps. Shanks Said That Blackbeard Didn’t Catch Him Off Guards Etc
The Yonko disrespect is crazy work
Its up in the air if current zoro even beats shiryu let alone bb 😂
When was it established that one could block just about any Gura Gura shockwaves with a sword ? Law used his awakened DF ability to block a weaker, defensive quake punch that BB used when he was on land, but earlier when Teach was falling, his quake punch literally broke Law's Room, and created an earthquake on the island. Unless Zoro can directly block the hand, like Law did, the quake's DC will be felt.
And why does everyone think that the Yami Yami is only useful against DF users ? Did y'all forget that DF powers are just one of the things it can absorb? It's a logia that can absorb ANYTHING. In other words, Teach can block any of Zoro's attacks, if he uses the Yami Yami.
Teach has two DFs that can block any of Zoro's attacks. I mean his Gura Gura even blocked Law's K-Room sword, which can pierce people even with insane armament and CoC haki (like Big Mom).
Teach can also use "Black Hole" against Zoro, which creates a pool of gravity that he can expand to at least the size of a small town. That would seriously impede Zoro's mobility. And if Zoro gets caught into it, he gets crushed by intense gravity, especially the longer he stays in there.
Teach has lots of options, to crush Zoro.
And his durability and endurance are underestimated. Tanking Law's Shock Wille was no small feat. We're talking about an attack that had Big Mom bleeding and knocked down (and she's far more durable than Zoro). We've seen Teach tank numerous Ace's flame attacks, a slash with a supreme grade blade from the World's strongest man, a quake punch from Whitebeard to the head, a shockwave from transformed Sengoku, a Shock Wille... Within a few hours, he fought Luffy, Magellan, Whitebeard, and kept going against Sengoku and Garp. It was said that his body was different, and weirdly enough, he has no scar, besides all the shots he took (even Whitebeard's slash).
Bro is packing Zoro, by all means. It was a ridiculous take.
The fact that black beard and shanks fought and shanks says that his scar from that battle still stings should be enough reason alone to say why he can beat Elbaf Zoro. Can wait for Seb to get his “I told you so when BB packs up shanks again”
Whitebeard didn't broke the gate because he loves gates, especially new ones.
I think most people are misunderstanding what they are saying, BB is still one of the top in the Verse however just like Luffy, its clear he will have some difficultly against some opponents i.e swordsman without a DF. An example of this is blackbeard vs seraphim S-hawk where he didn't do too well. It would be High diff unless he also awaken ACoC or ACoO
Just wanted to say I give up entirely in this channel and the entire panel. This is unbelievable
Seb always 1v3 in arguments lol Larry always down playing BB. The yami has more uses than bringing df users too him/ nullifying df powers. Like doffy said “it’s not about the df it’s how you use it”
So with this same logic BB loses to sanji aswell…
Black beard is absolutely packing up Zoro mid diff at Best
Low diff*
The yami doesn’t only negate devil fruits the man can absorb buildings and people and then spit them out. Also he has a almighty pull effect and so much more it’s one of the more rare devil fruits in the series I don’t think it should be discounted so easy
Thought I found a legit one piece cast. Brodie didn’t even say he was playing devil advocate he just putting out phrases that don’t line up. He moved the hall post like 4 times in 5 mins and I’m suppose to watch 14mins?! I’m good
It’s multiple angles in y’all argument, trying to get to the same ending. Is it who would win? Who’s more battle tested? Who has more moves to use. Let’s keep it simple and honest, this would probably end with them both dead in the sea
Straight hands no fruit - Zoro mops Blackbeard.
Fruit only - Blackbeard(the dark devil fruit becomes way less effective though… since zoro doesn’t have a devil fruit, still deadly though)
Determination - zoro
Innovation -Blackbeard
Zoro’s fighting arrogance will be a negative for him
If Blackbeard says anything negative about luffy…. He’s f***ed
They be talking about this, as if Blackbeard wasn't capable of destroying Rayleigh
He struggled with S hawk
zoro was overwhelmed by fujitoras power .. not defeated but it worked on him.. it’s reasonable to believe blackbeard can win with his TWO devil fruits
what does it matter if he was overwhelmed by fugitora's power in dressrosa when he's gotten massively stronger since then and even in dressrosa he managed to attack fugitora despite that crazy gravity bb's yami yami no mi has never shown gravity greater than fugitora's zushi zushi no mi
Blackbeard's crew has several unknown members abilities I can't say past their durability they can't apply devastating damage; we know what Zoro and Sanji are capable of going all out. Two vs Nine or Ten Titanic Captains Sanji and Zoro are not winning. Zoro could not take out a Seraphim he matched well with alone cuffed to Kaku. Even taking a blade strike from S Hawk it did not cut Blackbeard the damage gets absorbed even as he takes the pain, he won't pass out, as a Yonkou two subordinates are not taking Blackbeard down with his crew backing him.
Luffy could not do that we saw him try at Whole Cake.
Narratively, would Oda ever write Black Beard losing to Zoro?? Reigley literally stated that he would lose to Blackbeard. Reigley was able to fight equally with Kizaru for a time. Kizaru, while mentally nerfed, was able to fight G5 Luffy. Larry buggin as usual.
One of things I like about Blackbeard is that I think it’s pretty clear he’s going to get stronger as the story progresses. I like that he is not an OP villian way off in the distance he’s progressing just like any hero. It makes him a compelling character. How strong your villain is, is not the be all and end all of their value to a story. When it’s all said and done the fact that he’s not that OP right now but will be in the future will age like a fine wine I’m calling it now.
The crazy part about this, is the fact the question had nothing to do with BlackBeard. I am pretty sure the question was the crew vs Zoro and Sanji.
Zoro and sanji are getting low diffed if they are getting jumped by all of the bb pirates.
Whole time they lost the point of the conversation it was zero and sanji vs blackbeards crew 😂
I don't think Zoro can defeat Shiryu right now lmao why we even talking about stacking him up to Blackbeard for?
😐 Care to explain
Even Ray said he can't beat current BB
Blackbeard doesn't want smoke with Luffy nor Zoro right now. The fact that he was waiting for one of the crew to catch them off guard from their battle at Wano should tell you enough. They both beat BB in my eyes high - extreme diff. With all due respect BB is strong right now, I do see him not wanting smoke with Luffy nor Zoro.
Even with the complexion buff, Zoro’s losing to BB. If Teach is the eos rival for Luffy, he can’t lose to anyone else
😐 And unfortunately, that's exactly how 99 percent of this comment section thinks.
There’s an argument for both of them winning. It all depends on the scenario they’re in.
We still don’t know the material of the gate to this day😂
Blackbeard is not a better “fighter” and he doesnt need to be. His fighting style is like Super Ego Vegeta, which is taking in the damage of the opponent, and shocking the enemy by coming right back harder. Blackbeard wouldnt dodge Zoro’s attacks. He would take it, act hurt, and then immediately recover, shocking Zoro , suck him and his weapons in with gravity and strike back with quake-coated attacks. Blackbeard’s durability is insane. Think of the way he fought Ace. He didnt dodge a single attack from Ace. He took all that fire and haki damage. And in the end overpowered Ace.
This is a man that scarred Shanks and even Rayleigh admits that if they did fight, Rayleigh would have lost. Zoro at this level is not stronger than Shanks or Rayleigh.
Blackbeard would absolutely win.
SO to sev for having to put up with these two lmao ever episode shows me that Larry and co are not watching or reading the same one piece as usual
Simple.
On Screen: Zoro dog walks him
Off Screen: He slithers away and escapes Zoro, and Zoro gets lost chasing him.
If zoro is not beating Mihawk I don’t see him beating BB. Even though I can concede styles make fights and maybe zoro is a bad match up for BB. But those hacks are high key crazy.
Seb don’t even got a response for Law’s argument man lol. You can tell they all so tired of having this argument and NOBODY budging on their stances.
Why are they always discussing about bb. Leave him a alone
@ Well Seb is to Blackbeard what Fexr is to Mihawk, and Larry is basically the opposite of that. So there’s a lot of butting heads over that lol.
@@ultramix9696Sebastian si glazing bb and larry is just hating. I think bb can beat zoro and other yc but he would get bodied by luffy and that combined yonko attack
@@ultramix9696They are either overrating him or hating on him. I have heard bad bb takes from Sebastian and
Larry. He is nowhere near yonko level but he can beat zoro.
Zoro doesn’t have a devil fruit so he couldn’t be man handled by Blackbeard
I know power scaling people hate this argument but obviously if you look at feats you can make and argument for Zoro > Blackbeard but narratively I don’t see Zoro taking it over the guy with two OVERPOWERED devil fruits and haki and is built up to be this big bad, if Luffy’s right hand can just pack him up he wouldn’t make for a good end game villain
BB is easily the weakest Yonko, and it isn’t close, but saying he loses to ANY YC, yall trippin. We saw old Garp pulling off one of the greatest Haki feats in the entire series, and his equal is sengoku. 2 years ago, when BB just got the Gura, and he hadn’t even had the darkness fruit for a year by this point, was able to injure Sengoku. It’s been 2 years since that point, and he’s become significantly stronger since.
The darkness fruit isn’t useless against non fruit users, it still attracts everything because it has the properties of gravity. We literally see Zoro in dressrosa being held down by gravity, so assuming the same couldn’t happen just because, it makes negative sense. And the Gura is absolutely dealing damage. One shot or not, there’s 0 argument to say it won’t do anything. It’s not even close, BB would absolutely stomp Zoro. Mid dif AT BEST.
Is a joke right ?! Is obviously easy win blackbeard.
Friend, it's obvious that these guys haven't seen One Piece, no matter how much it hurts Zoro has nothing to do against Blackbeard, the guy besides the Yami Yami, has the Gura Gura the most destructive fruit of all, in addition to having haki and that only if they reach him on his crew. And the other thing, if we remove Luffy and Blackbeard, Teach's crew would win without a doubt, currently the only ones who can fight them are Zoro, Sanji and Jimbe, and maybe they can even kill one or another but at 10 together they don't even defeat them at this point in the story without a power up, nami, chopper, ussop and brook, they would only get in the way in a hypothetical fight with teach
Zoro is strong as hell. But BB is wiping Zoro easily cmon now. This shouldn’t even be a video
Zoro mid diff BB.
@@zerogravity8982 Luffy low diffs zoro
Zoro vs Bb is a high diff for bb.. bb is not beating Zoro easily
Maaaaan my boy can’t follow this take , manga states that after BB ate two fruits only the Remaining OG emperors could take him 1vs1 meaning you had to at least be on Emperor level to take him on.
This should kill it all if I’m not trippin, whenever roger fought whitebeard (prime) even tho we never really seen there fights u think whitebeard didn’t utilize his df? And if he didn’t do uk why? In a fight against roger uk he used his df to try and give him sun edge and if he didn’t it’s bc the df wasn’t strong enough to overcome a strong level of CH we can guess that roger win more fights than whitebeard in there rivalry and that’s why Roger was the pirate king instead of him u can say whitebeard didn’t wanna be pirate king and just wanted a family but at the end of the day we know he wasn’t just finna bs around wit the strongest pirate he knew besides rocks
its just a narrative vs feats debate, bb being weaker than a yonko subordinate doesnt make sense for the narrative and we all know this
To be fair buggy existiert but i agrer bb wins
Bro zoro didn't take the full brunt of the hakai from kaido and big mom
He wedged it for just a few seconds before Law got them outta there.
The hero of the day was law, I can't believe people refuse to acknowledge it.