Informative and interesting ~ thank you! I love our local history and hiking around the foothills and canyons. While I don’t agree with sequestering areas in the name of preservation, I do strongly feel there should be a public outreach and education effort to prevent littering and destruction in high traffic areas like black star canyon… Including patrol and fines.
At 39:13 where he's showing us locations of Orange and Riverside County, what is the name of that droop of red rocks and where exactly are they located? He mentioned that they're sacred but I can't make out the name, anyone know?
There are many trails that have likely been around for thousands of years. You probably drive on one just about every time you're on a freeway. There are some in the mountains, too. Any pass that makes getting from one side to another is likely the location of old trails. You can read more here: visionsofcalifornia.blogspot.com/2024/03/from-acjachema-to-pajaktse-trails-over.html
I was so disgusted when the presenter made the inference that the Indigenous People stole the horses 🐎 to eat. This statement makes the Indigenous people seem like savages. Not right!
This is true. However, he did state that that's what the legend says and then, he quickly went on to present research he has done and debunked the "horse eating Indian" myth. If anything, he did state that the horses were most likely traded as the Santa Anas open up to a huge cross roads over in Riverside. If anything it was that he did not take the time to debunk that "unfriendly tribes" were the ones raiding and stealing horses that stood out to me. Not so much that it was other Indigenous groups, but the "unfriendly" part. And even that was only because of how it was written in the source text , and we are talking 1820s, 1860s. over all, it was a very informative talk and i learned something new.
Why? You do know people eat anything and everything around the world including dogs, cats and other animals and their parts you think are disgusting? People eat all sorts of things just to survive. Just because it offends your sensibilities doesn't mean it offends others.
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Informative and interesting ~ thank you! I love our local history and hiking around the foothills and canyons. While I don’t agree with sequestering areas in the name of preservation, I do strongly feel there should be a public outreach and education effort to prevent littering and destruction in high traffic areas like black star canyon… Including patrol and fines.
Great presentation!
awesome
Good set, Eric.
Eric Plunkett... OC history rock star! 😎
At 39:13 where he's showing us locations of Orange and Riverside County, what is the name of that droop of red rocks and where exactly are they located? He mentioned that they're sacred but I can't make out the name, anyone know?
For sure! It's called Mini Moab. It's currently closed as a result of the Airport Fire.
is there any evidence of an old indigenous trail thousands of years old is one of the trails still around today?
There are many trails that have likely been around for thousands of years. You probably drive on one just about every time you're on a freeway. There are some in the mountains, too. Any pass that makes getting from one side to another is likely the location of old trails. You can read more here: visionsofcalifornia.blogspot.com/2024/03/from-acjachema-to-pajaktse-trails-over.html
I was so disgusted when the presenter made the inference that the Indigenous People stole the horses 🐎 to eat. This statement makes the Indigenous people seem like savages. Not right!
This is true. However, he did state that that's what the legend says and then, he quickly went on to present research he has done and debunked the "horse eating Indian" myth. If anything, he did state that the horses were most likely traded as the Santa Anas open up to a huge cross roads over in Riverside.
If anything it was that he did not take the time to debunk that "unfriendly tribes" were the ones raiding and stealing horses that stood out to me. Not so much that it was other Indigenous groups, but the "unfriendly" part. And even that was only because of how it was written in the source text , and we are talking 1820s, 1860s.
over all, it was a very informative talk and i learned something new.
Why? You do know people eat anything and everything around the world including dogs, cats and other animals and their parts you think are disgusting? People eat all sorts of things just to survive. Just because it offends your sensibilities doesn't mean it offends others.