I searched all over RUclips for a very simple video to explain Free Form and you broke it down simplistic. I would tell others who come across your video to watch and learn don't worry about the length you make sense and you make it easy to understand. Thank God for someone that is honest that really want to help others instead of posting videos to get paid and for likes.
I've watched a lot of videos on free-form passing since I've been away from Madden for so long. Many gave good tips on what to do, but this is the first video that I have seen really explain what to do and why to do it with the consequences for not doing it a certain way. I was in the middle of typing a question on why a lower free-form speed makes the receiver briefly stop/hesitate, but then that was answered later in the video. There are a lot of good videos on mechanics, but this is an excellent tutorial on how the game and animations respond to different settings. I do really wish Instant Replay showed my free-form reticles so that I can check my work to determine if I need to adjust settings.
You are on point with the reticule speed.. You are the only one who explained the mechanics of ffp and what you should do an why.can't believe you dont have alot of subs , but that will change
I think that higher that number is referring to how fast you can move the target icon. The higher the easier it is to get to the outside shoulder and the lower is doesn’t move fast enough so you don’t get those over the shoulder animations because you didn’t get to place it there in time. If that makes sense.
Good old Madden, clear as mud on the details of how to use any of the "new" features. This is precision passing, and it was in Madden in the mid 2000's. The reason why you all are left wondering what the sliders numbers and other numbers do is because in the end, it doesn't matter. Only animations matter.
Thanks brother just started playing with Free form. Had no idea that I was doing with max distance and reticle speed. I was getting picked off 25,30% of the time. Then one of my buddies told me about your channel all I have to say is Game Changer thx you for your time!
hey man, I just wanted to say thanks. I came from the old gen (PC) gamer up to the new gen for this Madden and it has been a struggle. I listened to a competitive madden player's setting and he had his reticle speed low and said to do the same. I followed his advice and had the exact problems you mentioned. Thank you so much man. I appreciate ya so much
Finally you accidently said and showed me how to move the circle in free form passing. Even you assumed that everyone knows but I appreciate you showing me. Great tutorial. Subbing now.
Thank you for this. I just picked up madden 24 today after being away for 3 years and was totally lost. This will helpl me alot getting back into madden again. Great Job
Jus wanna say thank you. I took a break from madden for 4 years this is my first time back since. You earned my sub . Very informative video I hope this helps me online against these sweats
The way you broke it down just in the first 2 minutes, paused and liked this vid. Now I'll resume watching the next 20; hopefully it helps me like I'd want it to. Seems legit; time to practice and see how it goes. Thanks for the vid man!
@JoeSimmer Apparently, I had it set like you have but at level 7. I put it up to 14, and it's quite an adjustment. I'm not sure if I should put it something in between until I get used to that.
I'm assuming the free form reticle thing you're talking about, the lower the setting and the more pause you get the less you have to anticipate the continued route as a user. The higher the setting the more you have to anticipate which, in real life anticipation is a pillar to a great QB. This one thing should put me over the edge in my goal to be a great Madden player again at 43y/o. I throw a lot of interceptions on plays that should fundamentally work, and now I understand why they don't. Thanks
I’m not gonna lie I was a hater at first but both running and passing feel great this year. Running actually feels effective and like you earned exactly what you ran for that down.
Thanks bro this tip will take me over the top, I know how to read a defense but struggle with making some of the throw cause the don’t get there in position which is important in football anyway. Just subscribed bro.
You're absolutely right on putting the speed over 10. I have been having trouble bombing plain deep streaks! I had my speed at 7 and now I have it at 12, I'm getting better lobd over the top and the WRs getting better catch animations.
Do you hold on to L2 once the ball is snapped or once you pass it? And how long do you hold the left analog when you pass on freeform? Please and Thank you
I generally hold LT/L2 right when I know I’m about to pass the ball. There’s generally no correct time after the snap that you have to hold it, just when you’re ready to pass the ball. I would suggest going in practice as he’s doing in this video and just find your timing. Reps are important the more you practice using it experimenting with different throws and what not the more comfortable you’ll be.
I've been told many players using free form, hold LT/L2 as soon as the ball is snapped. That way, it's not even a thought to THEN hold down the button before making the pass
Dog, I’ve been getting intercepted constantly with Patrick M. On franchise mode in the first quarter it’s ridiculous? On the left trigger? Do you use a certain pressure on the button?
@JoeSimmer I was trying to speak on throws over the head of defenders when the receiver has stacked the defender. It constantly gets undercut by defenders.
Quite often! Almost every passing play. In terms of madden 24. In Madden 25 I’ve been going back and forth not sure I think placement is best because offense is so good this year!
Appreciate you taking your time and sharing this. We know it’s not as trendy/ flashy as pack openings but this is very helpful . Any way we can help you grow we will do it .
I just master the free form on 7 speed couple weeks ago ...no wonder the Cbs be catching picks off me because its on 7 speed 🤦🏾♂️thanks bro ...im really fixing to take my game to the next level
Good video, I’m gonna practice this. When I throw post routes they almost always get picked off, with the receiver having some separation, I thought maybe the defense was jumping higher this year, but maybe because I wasn’t doing the touch pass, when I tried the high throw the ball goes out of bounds 🤦🏾♂️
Yes but ONLY when I’m looking to throw to a specific area on that play. For instance if I have no timeouts with 40 seconds left I will hold it down as soon as the ball is snapped because I know I’m looking to throw to the side line. Hope this helps 🤟🏻🎸
Need to play on all Madden. Thats the only way to get better. The easiest way to beat all Madden is learning the CB coverages. I have multiple videos on reading every defense. Check them out 💯🏆
Halfway through this video has already helped me lol. I played with 13 for Aaron Rodgers last year but I thought I'd go lower with Jordan Love and I threw 6 picks last game 😬.
Thank you. I just purchased Madden 24 and passing is kicking the living shit out of me. The biggest problem I have is the O Line does a poor job blocking. What do you suggest for improvement of the O-Line?
This has made me realize: Timing is essential to the QB. It is also essential to the QB WR relationship in real life and Madden. But not only the QB and WR but the team as a whole. How do you achieve this? If you were to watch an old school football movie such as Wildcats where Goldie Hawn is rugged tough female football coach , you would probably find a scene where the players are doing jumping jacks in rhythm together. Most people including NFL coaches may not realize the importance of this simple very old idea and how important it is. Football is heavily reliant on timing, anticipation, and space. Timing and space you can teach. Anticipation as a QB to see where the receiver will be and throw to that spot is talent. Getting your offense and defense in sink on an internal clock should be the number one priority on a football team.
It did help but I believe if you could put a cam on your controller as your walking us through the steps to skill based pass, it would help me tremendously.
when i try to throw to outside, i keep getting the animation of the wr turning around to catch it, never on the outside shoulder. any tips if im doing something wrong?
I usually hold the left trigger before I pass! If you want the outside shoulder pass you gotta hold it down before you pass and aim the left analog stick in that direction 💯
So when I have a guy wide up 99 Mahomes ultimate team, L2 for free form touch pass it and free form and moved my left stick up its in the green and say out of reach when the ball is right infront of my WR that’s how I am Lossing games can u tell me what I doing wrong
Depends that was actually a good thing so he didn’t have to run near the out of bounds line if it’s a defender nearby I throw the ball harder to make up for the speed
watching this as I literally had my freeform on 3 & on Far Distance . I been trying to figure out why the ball wasn't going where I actually wanted it to . I was constantly throwing the ball up/away from the DBs but they'd just jump and get an INT
Is there accuracy penalties for holding it in to long compared to hitting thay perfect bar snd getting blue wording feedback instead of the normal yello? One says perfect accuracy but the passes ain't even close to being perfect lol the other one says good timing
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I searched all over RUclips for a very simple video to explain Free Form and you broke it down simplistic. I would tell others who come across your video to watch and learn don't worry about the length you make sense and you make it easy to understand. Thank God for someone that is honest that really want to help others instead of posting videos to get paid and for likes.
If you want to improve your passing, this is the video to watch. I needed this, thanks.
Thanks! Hopefully you learned a lot! Go kill it out there 🏁🔥
How do time touch or lob passes bc everytime I do it it gives me poor accuracy and if I do anything else but tap it turns into a bullet?
@@izaiahgarcia66It’s all about the meter. For Touch and lob passes slightly press and release which ever icon you’re throwing to.
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@@JoeSimmerdo I hold LT when I snap the ball or when u actually throwing the ball
I've watched a lot of videos on free-form passing since I've been away from Madden for so long. Many gave good tips on what to do, but this is the first video that I have seen really explain what to do and why to do it with the consequences for not doing it a certain way. I was in the middle of typing a question on why a lower free-form speed makes the receiver briefly stop/hesitate, but then that was answered later in the video. There are a lot of good videos on mechanics, but this is an excellent tutorial on how the game and animations respond to different settings. I do really wish Instant Replay showed my free-form reticles so that I can check my work to determine if I need to adjust settings.
You are on point with the reticule speed.. You are the only one who explained the mechanics of ffp and what you should do an why.can't believe you dont have alot of subs , but that will change
I think that higher that number is referring to how fast you can move the target icon. The higher the easier it is to get to the outside shoulder and the lower is doesn’t move fast enough so you don’t get those over the shoulder animations because you didn’t get to place it there in time. If that makes sense.
Where were you before I made this video??? Lol yes bro exactly thanks for clearing that up dawg🏁🎸
Has this helped you in any way
Good old Madden, clear as mud on the details of how to use any of the "new" features. This is precision passing, and it was in Madden in the mid 2000's. The reason why you all are left wondering what the sliders numbers and other numbers do is because in the end, it doesn't matter. Only animations matter.
Thanks brother just started playing with Free form. Had no idea that I was doing with max distance and reticle speed. I was getting picked off 25,30% of the time. Then one of my buddies told me about your channel all I have to say is Game Changer thx you for your time!
Wow I appreciate this comment more than you’ll ever know! ❤️ means a lot. Reach out if you need anything I gotchu 🏆💯
Been playing Madden consistently since 2001 and I’ve never been interested in free form passing until now. Great video thanks
Best passing video I’ve watched on RUclips by far. Good stuff bro. Tons of info good lookin
My man!! Preciate that for real 🏁🤙🏻
hey man, I just wanted to say thanks. I came from the old gen (PC) gamer up to the new gen for this Madden and it has been a struggle. I listened to a competitive madden player's setting and he had his reticle speed low and said to do the same. I followed his advice and had the exact problems you mentioned. Thank you so much man. I appreciate ya so much
Finally you accidently said and showed me how to move the circle in free form passing. Even you assumed that everyone knows but I appreciate you showing me. Great tutorial. Subbing now.
Hey! Thanks man!! Means a lot 🫡💯 how’s madden going this year? Any questions?
@JoeSimmer hadn't played much this year. But when I do, I know to look at your tutorials for help.👍
This was the video I needed to see. That new style off passing was killing me in games. I gonna adjust the retcons soon as I get home. Appreciate you.
Thank you for this. I just picked up madden 24 today after being away for 3 years and was totally lost. This will helpl me alot getting back into madden again. Great Job
Thanks bro!! That means a lot 🏆🫡 how’s madden going? You on franchise or what?
Dude I totally misjudged this feature. You broke it down and after testing for myself I can't go back to classic. Thanks for the video!
Ayyooooo “those are NOT it My G” 😭😭😭😂😂😂😂subscribed and liked for that ahaahaha that’s hilarious 8:43
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Thanks!!! Haha
Jus wanna say thank you. I took a break from madden for 4 years this is my first time back since. You earned my sub . Very informative video I hope this helps me online against these sweats
It is actually insane that you don’t have more subs this video helped me out a lot thanks
Nah thank you JoeSimmerGaming cause of you making this video it helped you’re goated bro!🤝🏾🙌🏾
The way you broke it down just in the first 2 minutes, paused and liked this vid. Now I'll resume watching the next 20; hopefully it helps me like I'd want it to. Seems legit; time to practice and see how it goes. Thanks for the vid man!
Justin!! Thanks 🏆🏁 my man means more than you know!
Let me know how the free form goes just remember it’ll take a few games to get it down
@JoeSimmer Apparently, I had it set like you have but at level 7. I put it up to 14, and it's quite an adjustment. I'm not sure if I should put it something in between until I get used to that.
Thanks for this video man. Been using Classic passing but it's wildly inaccurate and throwing 5 picks a game🤦♂️ Can't wait to give this a go
Joe I haven’t been able to get free form passing down for nothing. Man this video helped me out. You explained it perfectly for me. Thatnks!!!!
James my guy 💯 🏁 thank you! How’s madden 25 going?
great video. im new to nfl and madden and ive watched alot of videos in the last week. but yours are the best by far. keep up the good work
Matstacyy my guy! 🏁💯 really appreciate that! How’s madden 25 going?
Just come across your channel and this is the best breakdown of the passing in madden and how it works, good job definitely subbing
Thx for these tips !
What's the best QB release according to you?
I think slinger 1 or 2 is best. Which one have you been using?
Also try traditional 4
Just subbed great video.. Cant wait for the heat seeker assist video
Thanks dog 🏆🏁 It’s game changer you’ll see wassup
Im new to free form and this by farrrr is the most detailed n best video thanks ima new sub also lookin forward to all of your future vids also
@Hpgwildboy , Thanks dog 🎸🏁 appreciate the sub. Means a lot
Thanks bro u explained it better than anyone else could 😢
I'm assuming the free form reticle thing you're talking about, the lower the setting and the more pause you get the less you have to anticipate the continued route as a user. The higher the setting the more you have to anticipate which, in real life anticipation is a pillar to a great QB. This one thing should put me over the edge in my goal to be a great Madden player again at 43y/o. I throw a lot of interceptions on plays that should fundamentally work, and now I understand why they don't.
Thanks
I’m not gonna lie I was a hater at first but both running and passing feel great this year. Running actually feels effective and like you earned exactly what you ran for that down.
Thanks bro this tip will take me over the top, I know how to read a defense but struggle with making some of the throw cause the don’t get there in position which is important in football anyway. Just subscribed bro.
You're absolutely right on putting the speed over 10. I have been having trouble bombing plain deep streaks! I had my speed at 7 and now I have it at 12, I'm getting better lobd over the top and the WRs getting better catch animations.
I have it on 7 and have no problem throwing streaks or free forming
@@itsme-kx3on cool
You hold the left stick all the way (up left right etc) or like 50% of the full stick movement or?
Love these tutorial videos when you cover the topic in detail. It definitely help my game play. Thank you.
Already!! Thanks glad you like this type of content! Some do some don’t
Do you hold on to L2 once the ball is snapped or once you pass it? And how long do you hold the left analog when you pass on freeform? Please and Thank you
I generally hold LT/L2 right when I know I’m about to pass the ball. There’s generally no correct time after the snap that you have to hold it, just when you’re ready to pass the ball. I would suggest going in practice as he’s doing in this video and just find your timing. Reps are important the more you practice using it experimenting with different throws and what not the more comfortable you’ll be.
I've been told many players using free form, hold LT/L2 as soon as the ball is snapped. That way, it's not even a thought to THEN hold down the button before making the pass
Dog, I’ve been getting intercepted constantly with Patrick M. On franchise mode in the first quarter it’s ridiculous? On the left trigger? Do you use a certain pressure on the button?
Yes you need to hold the button down 95% of the time. So you can bullet pass. Always bullet pass
@JoeSimmer I was trying to speak on throws over the head of defenders when the receiver has stacked the defender. It constantly gets undercut by defenders.
Good stuff man!! Learned a lot!!
Coach!!! Appreciate you! Did you get madden 25?
Just came around the channel and these are nice tips!!! I’ll be changing my FF settings today
Please keep making videos I love the way you break it down and show us how it work
Thanks rondo appreciate that! I try to make the best content for you guys 🏆🏁
Thank you for explaining this so perfectly. I love your video. Keep making more content.
Thanks Jermaine!! Fasho 🫡💯
How’s madden going? You on franchise or what?
How often are you using the Left trigger on throws??
Quite often! Almost every passing play. In terms of madden 24.
In Madden 25 I’ve been going back and forth not sure I think placement is best because offense is so good this year!
Thank you I haven’t played madden in years your video made me love this game again thank you
Nate that’s good to hear!! Glad you found the channel! Hmu if you have any questions 🏁🎸
Appreciate you taking your time and sharing this. We know it’s not as trendy/ flashy as pack openings but this is very helpful . Any way we can help you grow we will do it .
Means a lot 🤘🏻🎸 Wow thanks
Do you always hold LT (L2) after the snap or do you do it right before a pass? Any difference from experience?
Both… if I know I’m rolling out I will wait. But If I’m getting screamed at then I will hold it immediately after the snap.
8:42 Don’t You ever disrespect dem Jordan 1 cleats again 😤
Thanks man. I’ve been having issues passing. This is going to help a lot.
Reach out anytime! How are you enjoying madden this year?
I just master the free form on 7 speed couple weeks ago ...no wonder the Cbs be catching picks off me because its on 7 speed 🤦🏾♂️thanks bro ...im really fixing to take my game to the next level
Major help man. Much appreciated. 💪🏾💯
My man!! 💯 Thanks for letting mean know, reach out anytime. How are you enjoying madden this year?
The video I didn’t think I needed till I watched it thanks bro great vid
First year playing Next Gen as I'm a PC player and I've been real bad at this new passing. Hopefully these tips help
When throwing free form, do you also have to hit L1 or LB to toss over the top??? My last game I threw 7 ints 😢😅 sadly I haven't scored in h2h.
To Lob it just tap the receiver icon. I would recommend bullet passing almost everything. That will help. 🏆🥊
Those cleats are 🔥 my g 😂
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Good video, I’m gonna practice this. When I throw post routes they almost always get picked off, with the receiver having some separation, I thought maybe the defense was jumping higher this year, but maybe because I wasn’t doing the touch pass, when I tried the high throw the ball goes out of bounds 🤦🏾♂️
It won't matter.
You rock brother. Needed this video so bad
Cendennnn appreciate you how’s madden 25 going? 🏁💯
This video helped me a lot! Just subscribed!!!
Champagne 🍾 thank you! 🏁
Thanks for the advice. My first time checking this video out and I subscribed to your channel too
This Video made me subscribe great job man!
Thank you!! 🏁🔥🖤 How do you like Madden 24??
1st time catching your videos. Thanks for the help definitely gonna make some of these changes
Do you hold left trigger as soon as ball is snapped?
Yes but ONLY when I’m looking to throw to a specific area on that play. For instance if I have no timeouts with 40 seconds left I will hold it down as soon as the ball is snapped because I know I’m looking to throw to the side line. Hope this helps 🤟🏻🎸
Good video..but you wild for going at Hurts for wearing Jordan 1 Alpha Menace’s😂
i need help on the difficulty: this is my first madden and if i play on rookie im 35-0 up at halftime, if i play on pro i lose all games
Need to play on all Madden. Thats the only way to get better. The easiest way to beat all Madden is learning the CB coverages. I have multiple videos on reading every defense. Check them out 💯🏆
Halfway through this video has already helped me lol. I played with 13 for Aaron Rodgers last year but I thought I'd go lower with Jordan Love and I threw 6 picks last game 😬.
Thanks for the help you have improved my passing I'm getting more rac catches without the drops are the knock outs.
Thank bro! 🏁🎸
Subbed.. very clear and knowledgeable
Thanks dog 🏁🏆 appreciate the sub
Thanks for the breakdown, I needed it badly lol.
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Do you use the clock method.
To throw a outside do you throw at 1 or 2 o’clock ?
You mean 11 and 2?
Man...thx so much,you really made my gameplay more fun
Awesome!! 🏁🖤
Glad I could help! How are you enjoying madden 24?
Thanks I appreciate the time an effort you put in your video you made me a better passer 💪🏽💪🏽
Thank you. I just purchased Madden 24 and passing is kicking the living shit out of me. The biggest problem I have is the O Line does a poor job blocking. What do you suggest for improvement of the O-Line?
Great video thank you and nice to see a madden guide talking to intelligence of viewers
First game using it just broke my losing streak Ik that classic shit was messed up just 24 stomp a random good video bruh💯
This has made me realize: Timing is essential to the QB. It is also essential to the QB WR relationship in real life and Madden. But not only the QB and WR but the team as a whole. How do you achieve this?
If you were to watch an old school football movie such as Wildcats where Goldie Hawn is rugged tough female football coach , you would probably find a scene where the players are doing jumping jacks in rhythm together. Most people including NFL coaches may not realize the importance of this simple very old idea and how important it is. Football is heavily reliant on timing, anticipation, and space. Timing and space you can teach. Anticipation as a QB to see where the receiver will be and throw to that spot is talent.
Getting your offense and defense in sink on an internal clock should be the number one priority on a football team.
Solid, you have a bright future for this utube stuff. Excellent at explaining things. Thank you
Thanks a lot!! & Thank you for becoming a member and Joining the Halftime Show 🏁🖤
This was awesome! Thank you!!
Thanks chargers!!! How’s madden going this year?
What video do you mention why to have the heat seeker off
It’s a video on my channel called AJ brown at RB , it’s somewhere in that video
This massively helped with my passing - thanks!
When you throw a lob or a touch pass how do you time it when free forming cuz I get poor accuracy every time
It did help but I believe if you could put a cam on your controller as your walking us through the steps to skill based pass, it would help me tremendously.
For some reason, I don’t have skill base passing in my settings. Can you show me how to get it?
Yo I got next gen? My b late reply how’s madden 25 going?
Love your stuff man.
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Hurts rocking some Jays on the field 😂
That’s my dawg but those ain’t it 🤣🤣
I’ve been wondering how to lead guys up the field or make them come “down” on crossers. Thought it was just the game.
Thank you!!
So throwing to the shoulder is more to do with a slight swerve than lead?
when i try to throw to outside, i keep getting the animation of the wr turning around to catch it, never on the outside shoulder. any tips if im doing something wrong?
like do you hold LT before you do the accuracy part of the throw or after?
I usually hold the left trigger before I pass! If you want the outside shoulder pass you gotta hold it down before you pass and aim the left analog stick in that direction 💯
Great content g..keep up the good work
So when I have a guy wide up 99 Mahomes ultimate team, L2 for free form touch pass it and free form and moved my left stick up its in the green and say out of reach when the ball is right infront of my WR that’s how I am Lossing games can u tell me what I doing wrong
Could be your abilities, you need fearless. My bad for the late reply how’s madden 25 going for you??
Classic is killing me... do you Hold R2 for free form on every play???
L2..
R2 is turbo
An then Jordan 1s is definitely it. They went crazy this year in the nfl
Idk mixed feelings lol
Depends that was actually a good thing so he didn’t have to run near the out of bounds line if it’s a defender nearby I throw the ball harder to make up for the speed
Maddoggggg how’s madden 25?
@ uuuuuhhhh I like 24 much better and ncaa 25 is basically madden 24 with faster gameplay and better line backer pass coverage
just subscribed to you fam.. thank you for saving my Madden Life
Where do you find the passing mechanics? Is that only for pc?
It’s on next gen consoles, not too sure about PC!
It will be in settings! Try to check the main screen
Not seeing it. Must not be on ps4
Thanks for the great video that’s why I’m throwing so many INT’s
Alberto thanks dog 🏆 are you getting better?
if yu activate it with LT how you throw a low pass sb answer this?
You’ll just have to free form downwards! And it’ll low pass
I still enjoy classic passing it’s the most efficient no timining required plus you have have high/low passes at disposal
Damn the video I didn’t know I needed now I’m interested on wtf I didn’t know on defense
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Jalen rocking the retro 1 cleats
Yessir idk I have mixed feelings about them lol
High pass does work with higher probability if the situation is fundamentally correct which is true for pretty much the entire game.
watching this as I literally had my freeform on 3 & on Far Distance . I been trying to figure out why the ball wasn't going where I actually wanted it to . I was constantly throwing the ball up/away from the DBs but they'd just jump and get an INT
Is there accuracy penalties for holding it in to long compared to hitting thay perfect bar snd getting blue wording feedback instead of the normal yello? One says perfect accuracy but the passes ain't even close to being perfect lol the other one says good timing
Can I get the link to the Defensive Heat Seaker Assist
It’s actually in the video I just posted today! “Madden 25 skill based passing” Check it out! And let me know what you think
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U did an amazing job fam appreciate it
I think this will help me on two routes corner and the deep ball cause they continuously get batted or picked
how come i dont have a max distance in my settings? how do i fix this so i can put it on near
and yes i’m on next gen
That’s strange.. see if they have none and go with that. Any updates?