The need to blame fans for not paying for mediocre movies is a very strange phenomenon. Since when are fans obligated to give these companies money like they are charities?
It happens with a lot of movies nowadays, can't help but feel like it started with the 2016 "Ghostbusters" movie. Now everyone, even the director and cast are blaming fans for not giving up their money to waste their time on what definitely is a bad movie.
A real greedy company which is a shame because with Disney as a whole I still remember liking their films but not every film is perfect and it proves for me that modern Disney doesn't have the same touch for me compare to kid me.
Exactly. The only way companies listen to consumers is when we talk with our wallets. If we tell corporations "I am not willing to pay for that" then that product will dry up because they dont make things for passion projects, no, they do it to turn a profit. So if we want them to make what we want we cant sit here and tell them "yes, more of this thing I hate." Meanwhile all westerners into Kamen Rider are forced to eat up every mediocre offering we get just to convince bandai that, yes, there is a reasonably sized market overseas, please sell us the cool toys without ludicrous import costs.
I’m actually shocked at how a company such as Disney could be so short sighted. They dumped all their eggs in the Marvel, Star Wars and Remakes basket, and I can’t actually believe they thought people would go and keep watching the same films over and over again without people getting sick. We all knew as internet dwellers that all this would come to an end and the studios would need to innovate. So how didn’t Disney? Truly baffling
I think the ideia of the guys approving this projects to star wars and marvel is that the fans would buy anything that has the name on it like the sequel trilogy that they didnt even have a plan to the movies they just let the directors do whatever they wanted
Sad thing is it might have worked. For whatever reason the quality was terrible. Could blame it on bad writing, politics including The Message whatever that is, bloated cinematic universes, tired concepts, new concepts that were driven into the ground, divisive actors, or something else but its clear modern Disney movies are not the same quality as they used to be. Audiences are responding to that. If they....... somehow managed to keep the quality consistent I think fans would still be lapping it up.
They take audiences for granted. They assume that if you like something, you will like it faithfully forever, no matter how bad it becomes or how much they alienate audiences. They do not factor into their calculations that sometimes, people stop watching franchises when they become really, really bad and/or polarizing. They also feel entitled to your money, so they never considered that maybe, just maybe, you won't give it to them.
The fact their "worst year" happened on their big hundredth is pretty depressing especially with the amount of effort that went into once upon a studio.
@@majamystic256 Damn, I forgot they're THAT old. I know they started with many other failed gigs like Playing cards and hookup hotels but forget that theu began all the way back then. Wait, now that I remember, weren't they founded the same year a certian Austrain Art School Studant was born or something? That's certianly something, obviously we all have our criticisms of Nintendo's business practices but it's crazy and funny to thinka Company that has made countless beloved acllaimed gaming franchises that we still adore to this day and usually have pretty good time playing was created the same year as that particular man with a rather *"different"* impact on history than the NES had, to make a collosal understatement, LMAO.
As much as I love seeing Disney go downhill, I can’t help but feel sad about it too because this was a studio that created movies that were loved around the world and are still iconic to this day. Also, I feel like no one talks about Once Upon A Studio because that was FAR BETTER than Wish
As humans, we tend toward the bad things in life whether we realize it or not. It's why reality TV is such a hit. It's junk food television because we get endlessly enthralled by watching dumpster fires. We often find it more entertaining to watch someone tear Wish to shreds, exposing all its faults than to watch someone gush over a masterfully made piece of art like Once Upon a Studio.
Another major factor contributing to Disney falling apart in terms of their movies is that the general public doesn't really care about their movies anymore, aside from a few films here and there. With inflation rising in recent years, audiences have to carefully pick which movies are worth their time and money in theatres, and with disney's reputation plumeting more and more to public's eye, and with better movies to watch out there, its really only going to get worse for disney in the coming years if they don't change something.
covid also didnt help matters either since most things are on streaming services now so going to a movie theater is also not worth it considering how unsafe the world is now. and thats not even mentioning every company having strikes as well
You should see the concept art for Wish, it looked super good! The king and his wife were originally going to be a villain couple, Asha's earlier designs were amazing, and the wishing star was supposed to be a shape-shifting star boy who was going to be Asha's love interest. It looked so good... I blame the higher-ups for it becoming the stale flop it is now
What's interesting about Disney at the moment is that their failure is sort of reflective if the industry as a whole, especially Warner. It's why so many (including myself) have been drawn more and more to independent animation and how much better output can be when higher ups aren't able to interfere.
@@saiyanscaris6530Warner Bros Made "The Big Bang Theory" As Part Of "Warner Bros Television" Became The Modern Day "Friends" After 7 Seasons. I Blame Chuck Lorre & Warner Bros For Sucking The Fun Out Of The Show
True. Warner (or at least the executives and higher-ups) greenlit the "Velma" show, cancelled the Looney Toons Movie "Wil. E Vs. ACME" movie after it was made (and later reinstated it), and the in-progress "Learning With Pibby" show that all had massive followings and fans (excluding "Velma"), but Warner decided to stomp on those creative projects...
What I love is that other movies are doing spectacular at the box office, it goes to show that people coping saying people are tired of movies are wrong, people are tired of bad movies, and the Disney logo is no longer a symbol of quality, right now it’s the opposite
It's not even people being tired of bad movies, people are spesifically tired of the absolute slop Disney cranks out. I'm pretty certian mediocre and submediocre movies from other companies are making a good profit, Disney has just pushed their audience too far to the point they snapped had enough and left with no intention to head back in the foreseeable future. They were releasing too much too low quality too often and with things like the MCU also trying to get people to keep up to date with all of them. They pushed the auidences limits and are paying the consequences they're dealt themselves.
What sucks is that Elemental DID have passion behind it, but it was marketed SO poorly that it bombed in theaters and people only started giving it more credit after watching it on Disney+. Disney really screwed it over by marketing it as a generic love story when its really an allegory for immigrant families.
Yeah, the Elemental movie is all of suddenly respected when it came out on streaming and by the reaction channels, but not when the movie was actually playing in theaters.
@@thattaht And most of the money was made in international markets, which take a much larger cut (on average 60-70%) than domestic box offices (on average 40-50%). That's not even taking into account the marketing budget, which for Disney is close to half the actual budget for the movie. So in order to for any movie studio to make a profit off of a film, they usually have to make 2.5x the budget.
@@andreasmeelie1889 Wasn't it still a Net Loss after marketing and etc was taken into account? Things talking about it somehow having a massive rise and success was all compared to the insane bomb it started off and it still not being that great compared to other studios results.
It’s crazy how Disney used to have the best animated movies in the old days. Now it’s just live action versions of old movies and rarely a good original movie.
...So we all gonna forget why we call a certain period in time the Disney Renaissance This feels like a topic that is severely missing historical context. Honestly I can't wait for the "Disney is Dying" discourse to settle a lot of takes that seem to forget this has happened twice
Didn't some of them technically get a Cult-Following recently like Turning Red, Elemental and Chip & Dale: Rescue Rangers the Movie for example? I'm just curious.
well that’s because, up until the 80s, they were pretty much the only mainstream american animation film company... (sorry if that was hard to read lmao)
I feel sorry for The Disney studio for how their 100 years anniversary got screwed by the higher ups, but i have no sympathy for the Disney corporation.
Let's not forget the Disney Imagination Belt! A mediocre toy with a full LCD screen that displays jpegs and plays royalty free music for some reason despite being a part of the animation company's 100 year celebration.
@@leonishikino6873 To see how lame it is, look up Kamen Rider Revice Demons Driver for as good of an apples to apples comparison I can think of since it also uses a digital display yet has gallons more personality and cool factor.
Considering Super Mario Bros did a billion dollars. A movie the public defined as "not that bad". Tells me the public actually has a high tolerance for mediocrity.
People usually ask why Disney doesn't do small budget films as a general rule. The predominant reason is that they did that prior to the original little mermaid. What Disney found was the annual residual toy sales off Snow White (1930s) outsold box office in the 80s. And without movies that are a cultural touchstone the parks and merchandise suffer. This is why most of thier films are so big budget they want that timeless movie they can milk for 60 years because if just one of them hits the zeitgeist (like snow white) it has paid for 20 attempts.
Yeah a lot of people don’t realize that Disney’s real cash cows are the theme parks and merchandise. Like, by a lot. Box offices aren’t as important to them as they are to other film companies. They could still probably dial back the budgets a bit though.
@luizeduardogomesribeiropen324 True, markets do adapt and change. This method has worked for the better part of 60 years though (40s to 60s and 90s to 10s). It still makes money just like most businesses margins get smaller over time.
@@kittykittybangbang9367WB at least made a ton of money with Barbie (I think it's their highest grossing movie ever), while Disney just had their biggest bomb ever. Compared to Disney they're doing better.
Covid hit afterwards, theaters never fully recovered But it hasn’t been all bad, Elemental was well received and ended up being quite successful. I even liked Turning Red
@@RYMAN1321 COVID didn't necessarily help but as far as their films go, Disney probably would've been dealing with most of the same problems in an alternate COVID-less timeline.
That’s what I’m saying! I remember most of their direct to dvd sequel movies were terrible and gave them the reputation of not knowing how to make a good follow up movie. The animation was also so cheap with those movies and the songs sucked so bad lmao. I feel like the remakes are the equivalent of that era. Trying to cash in nostalgia by just copying and pasting, but with live action/3D animation. They can make a comeback, but it’ll take a while. They’ve been in this position many times.
@emptyglass7867If they remake the current stuff then GOOD, There's massive ways to improve them as they are medicore. I wish Disney would take some of their old bad movies (like The Black Cauldron) and movies that flopped (treasure planet and Atlantis) and remake them as there's either a lot of room for improvement or some of the stuff would at least look cool with Avatar level graphics. Now if they remake Frozen, Wreck it Ralph and Tangled. ... eww... As it is Moana is already getting a remake.
@@mattwolf7698 Atlantis remake would be cool, especially since it was box office bomb, but gained popularity over the decade. Imagine the underwater technology in the style of Aquaman or Avatar 2? I am actually interested in a Tangled remake, depending on who they cast and if they keep it as a musical. The lantern light scene is apparently a real thing people do, so it would be cool to that in live action. I think they’ll probably do Frozen, but I can’t imagine how Olaf would look. It hasn’t even been a decade since Mona release. I honestly blame The Rock for pushing for a remake instead of a sequel, since it was announced immediately after Black Adam flopped at the box office and he didn’t get to control DC 😂
@@easolinas1233 I have no idea why Frozen was such a massive sensation. Even when i first watched it when I was younger I thought it was underwhelming. The story is weak and flimsy, the humor is weak and easy, the music isn't even that good at all espically compared to a lot of other Disney songs, the characters are bland and vapid, the plot twists are terribly written and executed and make no sense for motivations or narrative, the animation is really the only strong point. Tangled is infinitely better in basically every single way and came out first, why wasn't that the movie that blew up? It had so much more passion and talent poured into it, a good story with memorable charasmatic characters that's legit funny and has a well done emotional heart to it.
How about the AI stuff? Disney really wants to use AI as a replacement for their staff, but they got angry at folks using AI to create all those parody posters.
The reason this is Disney's "worst" year is that this the supposed to be the culmination of 100 years for the company. That's a very big deal, at least for something as big as the Mouse. So to have 90% of your movies and shows released this year underperform and/or become some mediocre (including the aniamated film that's supposed to celebrate a century's worth of animation) that even some die-hards aren't putting any effort to defend them, then yeah, this isn't looking too good for Disney.
@@MasterStartist5 Yeah, like we had a ton of original animated movies, the live action reboots didn't feel stale yet, Star Wars had restarted with a bang, the MCU was in its golden years, and their live action department was coming off some of their best movies yet. Their quality really fell off recently.
To be fair, you are excluding Disney's good films during the early 2010s and up near the mid 2010s. Princess and The Frog, Wreck-It-Ralph, Tangled, Zootopia(?), Moana, all that good stuff.
Disney isn't failing because some Twitter people don't like their movies, they're failing because the general public doesn't know the movies are coming out, or they don't care. Half the movies that came out this year, my parents were like "hey have you heard about that new ___ movie coming out next month?" The marketting this year was abysmal
Wish had so much untapped potential it’s a shame it was rushed just imagine if they actually took time to develop the movie like all the ideas they had for the movie originally were so unique like the queen and king were going to be a villain couple and more it’s actually sad
Didn't the writing changes were made at last minute? I mean, this movie started production in 2018 iirc and supposedly was finished during Chapek's administration. Even if Bob Iger decided to force more changes, it was already too late to either fix it or ruin it more.
I still think the year Black Cauldron lost to the Care Bears movie was worse because there was a real possibility of them shutting down but this year is a close second. 2023 has been embarrassing for Disney
@@thephoenixxm4160Rumor has it Iger didn't even fully retire. Kept his office and everything. Either way, the fact is most of the stuff Paycheck got blamed for was first implemented under Iger, with Bob no. 2 taking charge when those changes were taking effect.
hearing Mark work thru this stuff critically is a breath of fresh air. Lately you cant talk about Disney at all without the grifters, culture-war people, or fanboys chiming in with bad faith takes, so its nice to hear someone approach it with some class.
What's even more sad about all of this is that I legit thought Disney's Once Apon a Studio Short Film that came out recently would probably help Disney redeem themselves and get their act together for good and not fall into the same mistakes again (which I will admit that its an interesting way to celebrate the 100th Anniversary of the Company......................AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNDDD it turns out I was somehow super wrong about Once Apon a Studio trying to help Disney redeem themselves and get their act together.
Redemption will take YEARS whenever they get around to actually starting it. As nice as Once Upon A Studio is, it can't really be an indication impending change because it probably had a rather short production.
I feel like the only studio that’s doing well rn is Illumination. Disney, Pixar, and Dreamworks recent films have been struggling (Dreamworks had PiB2 but also Ruby Gillman and Trolls 3), and Sony has all the issues with its current strikes
I think something a lot of theses big companies in the entertainment industry, like Disney don't realise. Is that not only are you competing with movies, but also tv, streaming, social media, videogames, RUclips, ect. So much of peoples free time and attention is divided. That if you can't be good or stand out, most people are gonna choose something else that does.
I think one day Disney will surprise me but jeez recently I haven’t even cared about their movies. I didn’t even know Wish came out till people started mentioning that it sucked. I simply listened to the music before deciding that I’m not going to watch it. I also really agree with the third point. Disney tends to be safe to whatever kids would like so recently their main characters have always been adorkable. Cute and quirky. It worked with Tangled and they haven’t stopped since.
@@big-g-1That is true, but some companies will acknowledge that they will gain money from you. So they make good stuff in order for you to be entertained and want more. Disney is just begging ppl for money at this point
@@lil_brook97 Disney adds LGBTQ+ rep to get a full 100 on the diversity board for companies (yes it's a real thing look it up) and if they don't they will lose HUNDREDS of investors.
Disney is just stuck in the past at this point. Everyone else including DreamWorks, Illumination, and Sony have all moved on and Disney just doesn’t know how to do that. They’ve become so comfortable where they are that they’re unwilling to be stretched and daring again to the point where it’s now harming them yet they still refuse to budge. And that’s honestly just sad to see.
For all the trouble Wish is causing right now, the movie did teach me that the Animation studio is being held hostage by Disney, so that was one good thing it has going for it.
The haunted mansion movie is not based off the movie from the 2000s, it’s a love letter to the original attraction Haunted Mansion in Disney land. As I Disney parks fan, I really loved the movie but I feel like it wasn’t a great choice to make.
As a fellow parks fan yeah, I saw the failure coming a mile away. It’s entirely just references to the ride, which I personally enjoyed, but the average moviegoer in Nebraska is not gonna know or care about the Hatbox Ghost, or Madame Leota, or any of that.
The HM movie was a movie made for fans of the HM more then anyone. And as a fan I liked it, but Disney absolutely set it up for failure. Absolutely should've been an October release, baffled why it wasn't.
@thedrewster0408 I thought that too but that one came out around the end of October. HM absolutely could've worked as an early October release, I can't wrap my mind around why it wasn't.
And I thought that Warner Bros. is having problems recently, but at least its not as bad or terrible as what Disney is going through right now. I bet everyone else is somewhat thinking the same thing and understand what I mean by all of this right now.
@@TheDigitalApple I suppose that true and it proves that Warner Bros. are redeeming themselves. Its a slow start but it something to be aware of. Am I right?
I’m happy that the movie I liked the most of these, guardians 3 did the best. Well written and passionately made stuff making money while bad stuff doesn’t is a trend I hope continues.
Agreed It was much more emotional and intense than I expected but still very well done and a phenomenal way to end the series I am glad yes that it was successful
I’m surprised you didn’t bring up Disney+. So many people have the service, so why would anyone pay for gas to go buy a ticket at a theater for a movie they can only watch once, when they can just wait a few months to see it at home?
8:23 The "tiny budget major profit" idea reminds me of how well Dreamworks is doing. They aren't overspending on effective movies. Sure, some movies flop and some are unpopular with critical audiences, but it really shows a lot when more budget does not equal more returns.
With Pixar and their animated tv shows I have more faith that it would be still be consistently entertaining, but as for the rest of Disney they burned so many bridges that I can’t tell if it going to be good or not.
"Let's take this mostly-male-enjoyed franchise and punch down on the male characters to promote our new female versions. I'm sure the audience will love it"
The Disney Cycle 1. Disney tries something new 2. It becomes a massive success 3. Disney will run that concept into the ground thinking it’ll work again and again until everybody gets tired of it 4. Repeat 1-3
This might be the worst year for Disney but the day Walt died will always be worst day in this company's history. I can only imagine what he would be thinking right now if he came back to life.
As someone who dreams of working in the animation industry and is currently applied to various animation schools, its just very depressing. Disney used to have such amazing artistic value theyre one of the biggest reasons why I’ve always adored the medium of animation and to see its legacy destroyed by corruption and greed especially on its 100th anniversary is just heartbreaking. 100 years of an admiring and beautiful legacy just absolutely destroyed with no mercy. It’s especially hard for artists like me to see such a massive inspiration fall so far from grace. I really hope one day theyll climb out of this hole but it may not be for a while unfortunately.
I don't understand how Disney at no point anticipated franchise fatigue. They dumped in bilions in Star Wars and Marvel and actually expected people to care for it over the course of 10-15 years
0:48 Yeah i didn't expected being ashamed of liking Sonic for the first time this month (you know it's a common occurence) on a Disney video but here we are
Not really disney plus still dont make profit,and tbh mark was kind to the movies cuz they need to make 2.5 times the budget so of the movies he showed only guardians made some money
They've been having net losses pretty consistently for a couple years IIRC wih this being the most severe I've seen. Yeah no, they're not making a profit here.
I really appreciate you candidly telling us that you’re going to bed at the end of the video. There’s an element of relatability that you captured by doing so. And I have to say the message of this video was communicated aptly. Thank you for your effort!
2:30 That is assuming that 100% of the box office goes to Disney, which isn't the case, as the theaters would be operating for free. Theaters get a cut of around 50% of the box office, it varies a bit depending on the region, but 50% is a good measure. So a movie that costed 200M to make, already including the marketing, would need to make 400M in the box office just to break even
they never include marketing in the reported budgets, and even then, they dont always tell the truth. The only reason we even know that the little mermaid cost nearly 300 million to make was because they're required by UK law to report the expenses. after deducting the 58~ million dollar subsidy from the UK govt, the budget settled at around 240 million _before_ adding marketing, which they aren't required to disclose.
It was really bizarre how they handled Haunted Mansion. Not just giving it barely any advertising, but also releasing a Very Clearly Halloween Movie in SUMMER
At this point, I could care little about Disney anymore. I’m more interested in what Dreamworks, Illumination, studios overseas, like in Japan and France, and indie animation, has cooking up.
4:27 Nah, don't diss Christopher Robin like that. It was such a great movie compared to the other live action Disney films that are based on their animated features, especially on those remakes.
I'm always reminded of something I mentioned last year that Disney will be falling into another dark age like the 1980s after so many failures. And then someone replied "it's Disney. They'll manage." And now... Here we are, ominous user, I won.
I don't think Disney is dying, moreso just entering another dark age. Which is something the company has entered 3-4 times at this point with WW2, the 70s-80s, and even the post renaissance before Tangled. Now is bad but not to the point of 1980s Black Cauldron bad where Disney was on the verge of killing off their animation studio entirely. The Once Upon a Studio short proves to me that the old Disney magic is still in there just buried deep. It's just gonna take a bit for Disney to rebound as it always does.
I wish Disney would make movies for target demographics. Barbie did well because it was a movie for women and it catered to women. Oppenheimer did well because it was a movie for history enthusiasts and went all in on that as well. Even the FNAF movie did well cause it was full of fun stuff for the FANS. Indiana Jones is a series mostly enjoyed by men. There was no reason for the new movie to punch down on him as a character and promote his female sidekick. It did "well", but still barely made anything back, and I think it's because many dudes assumed it would not be what they wanted. Most of what Disney pumps out now is that safe bland nothing storytelling like you mentioned.
Actually the Dial of Destiny did not make any money, it was actually one of Disney's worst failures this year taking into account the marketing budget and theater cuts
2:31 The thing is, even guardians 3 wasn't a smash hit. It didn't exactly break any box office records despite putting up respectable numbers and its budget is still pretty high. Studios only take about 55-60% of the domestic box office and 40% of the international, so in reality, Guardians 3 certainly made back its budget, Elementals and the little mermaid barely broke even, and the rest flopped pretty hard. You also forgot about ant man 3 which was also a box office dissapointment.
I always felt pixar carried disney and that aside from the renaissance and some occasional bangers from the early 2000’s and early 2010’s they’ve always been pretty mid but these recent years have just sealed it, but it’s always important to remember what they contributed to the world of art and animation as a whole so…there is that
Serves them right for what they did to Star Wars. They ran the greatest franchise ever made into the ground, all because they were obsessed with making money. They didn't even invent Star Wars, but they still bought and milked it for all it was worth.
It’s not just Disney. WBD is also suffering the same thing if not worse than Disney. Think of it this way, they had all 4 DC films flopping back to back with the biggest one the Flash being the biggest box office bomb of all time, cancelling already finished projects like Coyote vs Acme, removing animated shows off of HBO Max, the WGA and SAG strikes affected them, planning to do more live service games, the list goes on.
I thought Coyote Vs Acme was now being shopped around because of the outrage ? But Barbie was definitely their biggest hit this year and I did kind of like the DC films and I will still see Aquaman 2
Honestly, with the huge amount of money Disney has been making throughout the years, especially in 2019, I feel like it’s ok if they have a downer year, shows that their recent tactics aren’t always gonna lead them towards success, and that maybe they need try something different and new if they want to obtain their audiences interests again. .
Bro, it was their 100th year. Their biggest milestone ever, and they just fumbled it almost completely. Almost due to One Upon a Studio being their sole saving grace this year.
The biggest casualty of the actors strike was not having Brie Larson forced to do press for ‘The Marvels’ and pretend she doesn’t hate every minute of playing that stupid character.
Also generally the Theater going experience has been getting more and more expensive each year. Meaning less people are willing spend upwards of $20-30 just to see average at best Disney Movie.
@@jeemjobblejipjenjinsenjens6072 I mean it's sad seeing the company make all these poor decisions that are causing themselves to flop. But hey! At least we have Dreamworks, Illumination, and Sony that we can still rely on!
Oh it’s not like I’m sad for the company or CEO’s or anything. It’s just sad that they used to make such excellent animated movies and now they’re mediocre at best.
I don't know, at this point Disney under Eisner looked like a bright future compared to Iger. Atleast Eisner and his people knew when to stop. Iger on the other hand, decides to keep pressing forward instead of slowing down and seeing his mistakes.
Honestly, hoping Disney fails. They have too much power. Their products have been very bad lately too. I really hope that I'm wrong and they aren't too big to fail. Really love your content mark and I was happy to see you shared my enjoyment of Guardians 3. Keep posting awesome content.
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The need to blame fans for not paying for mediocre movies is a very strange phenomenon. Since when are fans obligated to give these companies money like they are charities?
Agreed. It like trying to force South Asians to pay tribute to the UK. It doesn’t make sense
Its a really scummy strategy, trying to make the people not interested in seeing mediocre shit seen as racist or something
It happens with a lot of movies nowadays, can't help but feel like it started with the 2016 "Ghostbusters" movie.
Now everyone, even the director and cast are blaming fans for not giving up their money to waste their time on what definitely is a bad movie.
A real greedy company which is a shame because with Disney as a whole I still remember liking their films but not every film is perfect and it proves for me that modern Disney doesn't have the same touch for me compare to kid me.
Exactly. The only way companies listen to consumers is when we talk with our wallets. If we tell corporations "I am not willing to pay for that" then that product will dry up because they dont make things for passion projects, no, they do it to turn a profit. So if we want them to make what we want we cant sit here and tell them "yes, more of this thing I hate."
Meanwhile all westerners into Kamen Rider are forced to eat up every mediocre offering we get just to convince bandai that, yes, there is a reasonably sized market overseas, please sell us the cool toys without ludicrous import costs.
I’m actually shocked at how a company such as Disney could be so short sighted.
They dumped all their eggs in the Marvel, Star Wars and Remakes basket, and I can’t actually believe they thought people would go and keep watching the same films over and over again without people getting sick.
We all knew as internet dwellers that all this would come to an end and the studios would need to innovate. So how didn’t Disney? Truly baffling
I think the ideia of the guys approving this projects to star wars and marvel is that the fans would buy anything that has the name on it like the sequel trilogy that they didnt even have a plan to the movies they just let the directors do whatever they wanted
cause warner bros tried the different route and did it worse
Sad thing is it might have worked. For whatever reason the quality was terrible. Could blame it on bad writing, politics including The Message whatever that is, bloated cinematic universes, tired concepts, new concepts that were driven into the ground, divisive actors, or something else but its clear modern Disney movies are not the same quality as they used to be. Audiences are responding to that. If they....... somehow managed to keep the quality consistent I think fans would still be lapping it up.
Disney overestimated the stupidity of the average consumer which is honestly impressive.
They take audiences for granted. They assume that if you like something, you will like it faithfully forever, no matter how bad it becomes or how much they alienate audiences. They do not factor into their calculations that sometimes, people stop watching franchises when they become really, really bad and/or polarizing.
They also feel entitled to your money, so they never considered that maybe, just maybe, you won't give it to them.
The fact their "worst year" happened on their big hundredth is pretty depressing especially with the amount of effort that went into once upon a studio.
It’s like Sonic 06 & the GBA port of Sonic 1 released to celebrate that franchise’s 15th anniversary
meanwhile Nintendo's 100th year (1989) introduced the Gameboy
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Damn, I forgot they're THAT old.
I know they started with many other failed gigs like Playing cards and hookup hotels but forget that theu began all the way back then.
Wait, now that I remember, weren't they founded the same year a certian Austrain Art School Studant was born or something?
That's certianly something, obviously we all have our criticisms of Nintendo's business practices but it's crazy and funny to thinka Company that has made countless beloved acllaimed gaming franchises that we still adore to this day and usually have pretty good time playing was created the same year as that particular man with a rather *"different"* impact on history than the NES had, to make a collosal understatement, LMAO.
It's like poetry, it rhymes
may this be a sign of things to come
As much as I love seeing Disney go downhill, I can’t help but feel sad about it too because this was a studio that created movies that were loved around the world and are still iconic to this day.
Also, I feel like no one talks about Once Upon A Studio because that was FAR BETTER than Wish
As humans, we tend toward the bad things in life whether we realize it or not. It's why reality TV is such a hit. It's junk food television because we get endlessly enthralled by watching dumpster fires. We often find it more entertaining to watch someone tear Wish to shreds, exposing all its faults than to watch someone gush over a masterfully made piece of art like Once Upon a Studio.
@@BlazingKhioneus well said
@@BlazingKhioneuswow. no need tot call us all out.
@@BlazingKhioneus Bro woke up to speak only truths
@@BlazingKhioneusYe
Another major factor contributing to Disney falling apart in terms of their movies is that the general public doesn't really care about their movies anymore, aside from a few films here and there. With inflation rising in recent years, audiences have to carefully pick which movies are worth their time and money in theatres, and with disney's reputation plumeting more and more to public's eye, and with better movies to watch out there, its really only going to get worse for disney in the coming years if they don't change something.
covid also didnt help matters either since most things are on streaming services now so going to a movie theater is also not worth it considering how unsafe the world is now. and thats not even mentioning every company having strikes as well
Agreed also they are competing against TikTok
@@noahbossier1131and anime
@@noahbossier1131 you mean the thing that the united states is trying to ban due to national security
They turned every movie into political pandering instead of trying to tell a good story. It’s weird to totally ignore that in videos like this
You should see the concept art for Wish, it looked super good! The king and his wife were originally going to be a villain couple, Asha's earlier designs were amazing, and the wishing star was supposed to be a shape-shifting star boy who was going to be Asha's love interest.
It looked so good... I blame the higher-ups for it becoming the stale flop it is now
The creative side of Disney worth liking could have still been there. Harsh.😢
i'd love to watch that.
@RockLene I know... The star boy design was so good too 💔
@@mimilopmemes7915 same
Let's just hope the higher-ups don't mess up with Inside Out 2 or Bluey, or they'll REALLY mess up!
What's interesting about Disney at the moment is that their failure is sort of reflective if the industry as a whole, especially Warner. It's why so many (including myself) have been drawn more and more to independent animation and how much better output can be when higher ups aren't able to interfere.
not just the industry but companies as a whole
@@saiyanscaris6530Warner Bros Made "The Big Bang Theory" As Part Of "Warner Bros Television" Became The Modern Day "Friends" After 7 Seasons. I Blame Chuck Lorre & Warner Bros For Sucking The Fun Out Of The Show
Literal nature is healing kind of thing going on
True. Warner (or at least the executives and higher-ups) greenlit the "Velma" show, cancelled the Looney Toons Movie "Wil. E Vs. ACME" movie after it was made (and later reinstated it), and the in-progress "Learning With Pibby" show that all had massive followings and fans (excluding "Velma"), but Warner decided to stomp on those creative projects...
@KraziShadowbear I blame all that on that douche David zaslav. He's making Warner bros look bad!
What I love is that other movies are doing spectacular at the box office, it goes to show that people coping saying people are tired of movies are wrong, people are tired of bad movies, and the Disney logo is no longer a symbol of quality, right now it’s the opposite
It's not even people being tired of bad movies, people are spesifically tired of the absolute slop Disney cranks out.
I'm pretty certian mediocre and submediocre movies from other companies are making a good profit, Disney has just pushed their audience too far to the point they snapped had enough and left with no intention to head back in the foreseeable future.
They were releasing too much too low quality too often and with things like the MCU also trying to get people to keep up to date with all of them.
They pushed the auidences limits and are paying the consequences they're dealt themselves.
What sucks is that Elemental DID have passion behind it, but it was marketed SO poorly that it bombed in theaters and people only started giving it more credit after watching it on Disney+. Disney really screwed it over by marketing it as a generic love story when its really an allegory for immigrant families.
You know that it wound up doing extremely well at the box office right?
@@andreasmeelie1889Not extremely well, it broke even (after considering marketing) and then made a bit of extra money.
Yeah, the Elemental movie is all of suddenly respected when it came out on streaming and by the reaction channels, but not when the movie was actually playing in theaters.
@@thattaht And most of the money was made in international markets, which take a much larger cut (on average 60-70%) than domestic box offices (on average 40-50%). That's not even taking into account the marketing budget, which for Disney is close to half the actual budget for the movie. So in order to for any movie studio to make a profit off of a film, they usually have to make 2.5x the budget.
@@andreasmeelie1889
Wasn't it still a Net Loss after marketing and etc was taken into account?
Things talking about it somehow having a massive rise and success was all compared to the insane bomb it started off and it still not being that great compared to other studios results.
At least people are giving other films like “Leo” a chance, which is very very great, thank you Adam Sandler.
Seeing it tonight
That and Under the Boardwalk
@RockLeneheh, wish
lmk what u think
Apparently, Leo's, like, the best thing Adam Sandler put out in a while.
It’s crazy how Disney used to have the best animated movies in the old days. Now it’s just live action versions of old movies and rarely a good original movie.
...So we all gonna forget why we call a certain period in time the Disney Renaissance
This feels like a topic that is severely missing historical context.
Honestly I can't wait for the "Disney is Dying" discourse to settle a lot of takes that seem to forget this has happened twice
Didn't some of them technically get a Cult-Following recently like Turning Red, Elemental and Chip & Dale: Rescue Rangers the Movie for example?
I'm just curious.
but, they have more ESG profit, all they care about
well that’s because, up until the 80s, they were pretty much the only mainstream american animation film company... (sorry if that was hard to read lmao)
No one cares about the live action remakes. Encanto was only 2 years ago and was great, and Disney Animation has only made 2 movies since then
I feel sorry for The Disney studio for how their 100 years anniversary got screwed by the higher ups, but i have no sympathy for the Disney corporation.
Yea that’s how I feel about them
Relax, we still have Once Upon A Studio.
Let's not forget the Disney Imagination Belt! A mediocre toy with a full LCD screen that displays jpegs and plays royalty free music for some reason despite being a part of the animation company's 100 year celebration.
@@BlazingKhioneusokay but it looks like a dope Kamen Rider-lite toy lol
@@leonishikino6873 To see how lame it is, look up Kamen Rider Revice Demons Driver for as good of an apples to apples comparison I can think of since it also uses a digital display yet has gallons more personality and cool factor.
it’s not disney fatigue. it’s mediocre content fatigue.
Considering Super Mario Bros did a billion dollars. A movie the public defined as "not that bad". Tells me the public actually has a high tolerance for mediocrity.
@@angelsunemtoledocabllero5801 a high tolerance, but high tolerances wear off eventually
People usually ask why Disney doesn't do small budget films as a general rule. The predominant reason is that they did that prior to the original little mermaid. What Disney found was the annual residual toy sales off Snow White (1930s) outsold box office in the 80s. And without movies that are a cultural touchstone the parks and merchandise suffer. This is why most of thier films are so big budget they want that timeless movie they can milk for 60 years because if just one of them hits the zeitgeist (like snow white) it has paid for 20 attempts.
Issue, it worked in the 80s because of its own reasons. Nowadays tho? I don't think this works.
So a movie like Frozen would be a 2000's equivalent of that?
Yeah a lot of people don’t realize that Disney’s real cash cows are the theme parks and merchandise. Like, by a lot. Box offices aren’t as important to them as they are to other film companies. They could still probably dial back the budgets a bit though.
@RiverOfTheHeart Yes that is a perfect example
@luizeduardogomesribeiropen324 True, markets do adapt and change. This method has worked for the better part of 60 years though (40s to 60s and 90s to 10s). It still makes money just like most businesses margins get smaller over time.
It’s a shame that’s it going downhill, and on its 100th anniversary too no less.
It's not just Disney, but even WB somehow managed to run its own 100th anniversary
@@kittykittybangbang9367WB Or WBTV Made "The Big Bang Theory" And TBS Deserves A Raise For Airing It On It's 100 Year Anniversary Day
@@kittykittybangbang9367 At least Iger didn't cancel already completed movies for a tax write-off.
Same
@@kittykittybangbang9367WB at least made a ton of money with Barbie (I think it's their highest grossing movie ever), while Disney just had their biggest bomb ever. Compared to Disney they're doing better.
Disney was on top of the world in 2019 after having several multibillion movies in that year. It didn't take long for them to sink to the bottom.
yeah notice how there last best year was right before covid happened. from covid to inflation to war and so on. the world changed forever since then
Covid hit afterwards, theaters never fully recovered
But it hasn’t been all bad, Elemental was well received and ended up being quite successful.
I even liked Turning Red
@@RYMAN1321Turning Red is such a sleeper hit. I love how honestly portrays the most awkward phase of all our lives.
It's like Icarus. It flew too close to the sun.
@@RYMAN1321 COVID didn't necessarily help but as far as their films go, Disney probably would've been dealing with most of the same problems in an alternate COVID-less timeline.
I'm not worried. If I know my Disney history correctly, a dark age for the company leads them to being creative and great again.
That’s what I’m saying! I remember most of their direct to dvd sequel movies were terrible and gave them the reputation of not knowing how to make a good follow up movie. The animation was also so cheap with those movies and the songs sucked so bad lmao. I feel like the remakes are the equivalent of that era. Trying to cash in nostalgia by just copying and pasting, but with live action/3D animation. They can make a comeback, but it’ll take a while. They’ve been in this position many times.
@emptyglass7867If they remake the current stuff then GOOD, There's massive ways to improve them as they are medicore. I wish Disney would take some of their old bad movies (like The Black Cauldron) and movies that flopped (treasure planet and Atlantis) and remake them as there's either a lot of room for improvement or some of the stuff would at least look cool with Avatar level graphics.
Now if they remake Frozen, Wreck it Ralph and Tangled. ... eww... As it is Moana is already getting a remake.
@@mattwolf7698 Atlantis remake would be cool, especially since it was box office bomb, but gained popularity over the decade. Imagine the underwater technology in the style of Aquaman or Avatar 2? I am actually interested in a Tangled remake, depending on who they cast and if they keep it as a musical. The lantern light scene is apparently a real thing people do, so it would be cool to that in live action. I think they’ll probably do Frozen, but I can’t imagine how Olaf would look. It hasn’t even been a decade since Mona release. I honestly blame The Rock for pushing for a remake instead of a sequel, since it was announced immediately after Black Adam flopped at the box office and he didn’t get to control DC 😂
Them getting back on track led to the painfully mid "Frozen" movies, so... worry.
@@easolinas1233
I have no idea why Frozen was such a massive sensation.
Even when i first watched it when I was younger I thought it was underwhelming.
The story is weak and flimsy, the humor is weak and easy, the music isn't even that good at all espically compared to a lot of other Disney songs, the characters are bland and vapid, the plot twists are terribly written and executed and make no sense for motivations or narrative, the animation is really the only strong point.
Tangled is infinitely better in basically every single way and came out first, why wasn't that the movie that blew up?
It had so much more passion and talent poured into it, a good story with memorable charasmatic characters that's legit funny and has a well done emotional heart to it.
How about the AI stuff? Disney really wants to use AI as a replacement for their staff, but they got angry at folks using AI to create all those parody posters.
Once Upon A Studio was literally the only good thing to come out of this anniversary.
Elemental and the Owl House finale were very good though (especially the former that ended up being quite successful).
I know right?
I didn't enjoy it because of the animation style, it's also one of Disney weakest link to say the least.
The reason this is Disney's "worst" year is that this the supposed to be the culmination of 100 years for the company. That's a very big deal, at least for something as big as the Mouse. So to have 90% of your movies and shows released this year underperform and/or become some mediocre (including the aniamated film that's supposed to celebrate a century's worth of animation) that even some die-hards aren't putting any effort to defend them, then yeah, this isn't looking too good for Disney.
Both Disney and WB’s worst year.
At least we have Once Upon A Studio. Now that's a true anniversary gift.
@@thewatchman13WB had Barbie at least
@@RYMAN1321 They have the Aquaman sequel coming up.
@@thewatchman13 I’m still seeing that
They really earned it.
They lost the faith of families the more they showed their agenda. Disney was built on attracting the family, without it, they have nothing.
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All of us late 90's, early 2000's kids will always be grateful for the fact Disney was ACTUALLY GOOD back then. Poor early 2010 kids.
Nah It’s The 2020 Kids That Got It Bad…
Yes but can they themselves honeslty feel bad if they don't have a memory of when it was good?
Wreck It Ralph was good tho :(
@@MasterStartist5 Yeah, like we had a ton of original animated movies, the live action reboots didn't feel stale yet, Star Wars had restarted with a bang, the MCU was in its golden years, and their live action department was coming off some of their best movies yet. Their quality really fell off recently.
To be fair, you are excluding Disney's good films during the early 2010s and up near the mid 2010s. Princess and The Frog, Wreck-It-Ralph, Tangled, Zootopia(?), Moana, all that good stuff.
Disney isn't failing because some Twitter people don't like their movies, they're failing because the general public doesn't know the movies are coming out, or they don't care. Half the movies that came out this year, my parents were like "hey have you heard about that new ___ movie coming out next month?" The marketting this year was abysmal
I don't think Twitter should exist, but even I agree with you on the marketing.
@emptyglass7867
No, I'm not. I think you misread. 😑
@@CarloNassar if twitter shouldnt exist so is reddit and other social media platforms like Facebook etc god I especially hate reddit
@@sarov7658 yep
@@CarloNassar ¿why the fuck do you say that?
Disney is the epitome of "Don't ask questions, just consume product and get excited for next product."
Wish had so much untapped potential it’s a shame it was rushed just imagine if they actually took time to develop the movie like all the ideas they had for the movie originally were so unique like the queen and king were going to be a villain couple and more it’s actually sad
Didn't the writing changes were made at last minute? I mean, this movie started production in 2018 iirc and supposedly was finished during Chapek's administration. Even if Bob Iger decided to force more changes, it was already too late to either fix it or ruin it more.
They need to put a full behind-the-scenes documentary on the film's Blu-ray release.
I still think the year Black Cauldron lost to the Care Bears movie was worse because there was a real possibility of them shutting down but this year is a close second. 2023 has been embarrassing for Disney
Yeah Disney had WAY WORSE than 2023.
@@brandongreene6175hopefully ince Bib Iger and Kathleen Kennedy get the sack things will turn around
@@frankieseward8667 Be careful what you wish for. Iger retired once already and the guy they got to replace him was another Bob and he was even worse.
Kinda wish they went under ngl
@@thephoenixxm4160Rumor has it Iger didn't even fully retire. Kept his office and everything.
Either way, the fact is most of the stuff Paycheck got blamed for was first implemented under Iger, with Bob no. 2 taking charge when those changes were taking effect.
It's sad because this is supposed to be Disney's 100th anniversary it just ends up feeling like a disaster at the end
hearing Mark work thru this stuff critically is a breath of fresh air. Lately you cant talk about Disney at all without the grifters, culture-war people, or fanboys chiming in with bad faith takes, so its nice to hear someone approach it with some class.
10:13 that synced up so well
The Fact that I can’t even remember when’s the last time I actually enjoyed a Disney Flick says a lot about the current state of the company.
that i feel is most companies with movies in general
I remember the last time I enjoyed a Disney Flick and that was Encanto. I watched it on Disney Plus this year and I loved it.
@@arilumani6194Have you seen Elemental?
It’s a phenomenal film IMO
I'd still argue that the year when The Black Cauldron was Disney's worst year. That movie almost ruined Disney for good.
Exactly, People seen it forget just how bad it was During that time for them
1985. People forget that the 80s weren’t all sunshine and rock. There were recessions and wars occurring too.
Also to give you even more context of how bad things were at that time, The Black Cauldron was Outgrossed by The goddamn Carebears Movie
People tend to forget that Disney has like nearly died 4 times already
But The Black Cauldron is such a cool movie... no way near Wish or The Marvels
What's even more sad about all of this is that I legit thought Disney's Once Apon a Studio Short Film that came out recently would probably help Disney redeem themselves and get their act together for good and not fall into the same mistakes again (which I will admit that its an interesting way to celebrate the 100th Anniversary of the Company......................AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNDDD it turns out I was somehow super wrong about Once Apon a Studio trying to help Disney redeem themselves and get their act together.
You should probably give them more than a single month to redeem themselves…
Redemption will take YEARS whenever they get around to actually starting it. As nice as Once Upon A Studio is, it can't really be an indication impending change because it probably had a rather short production.
And I thought that Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3. Would help redeem the MCU… turns out, i was wrong.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios Its like we had similar thoughts or something
3:35 DONT GIVE DISNEY ANY IDEAS
ive got some bad news
2:42 GOTG 3 is a masterpiece.
Not really
Man I love when LS Mark is featured in LS Mark youtube videos
I feel like the only studio that’s doing well rn is Illumination. Disney, Pixar, and Dreamworks recent films have been struggling (Dreamworks had PiB2 but also Ruby Gillman and Trolls 3), and Sony has all the issues with its current strikes
Doing well as in making money or doing by putting out stuff that people like
@@neo1711Money. Illumination has always played it safe but does appeal to the 4 Quadrants in audience though
But Dreamworks and Illumination are both owned by Universal.
@@TheArceusftwthat is something I forgot. Good catch
If Migration doesn’t do well, I’ll be disappointed with this comment ageing poorly.
I think something a lot of theses big companies in the entertainment industry, like Disney don't realise. Is that not only are you competing with movies, but also tv, streaming, social media, videogames, RUclips, ect. So much of peoples free time and attention is divided. That if you can't be good or stand out, most people are gonna choose something else that does.
Exactly. They are competing against user generated media and a lot of kids barely watch movies unless it’s social media viral
I think one day Disney will surprise me but jeez recently I haven’t even cared about their movies. I didn’t even know Wish came out till people started mentioning that it sucked. I simply listened to the music before deciding that I’m not going to watch it.
I also really agree with the third point. Disney tends to be safe to whatever kids would like so recently their main characters have always been adorkable. Cute and quirky. It worked with Tangled and they haven’t stopped since.
10:44 LS MARK SPITTING BARS OUT HERE DAMN THIS SHIT GO HARD IM GROOVIN!!!
Don't pay for companies who hate you.
All companies see you as dollar signs bro. It’s just economics
@@big-g-1 Yes, but that is apathy. Disney has become a political activist company and actively HATES the majority of its audience.
@@big-g-1yeah.
@@big-g-1That is true, but some companies will acknowledge that they will gain money from you. So they make good stuff in order for you to be entertained and want more. Disney is just begging ppl for money at this point
@@lil_brook97 Disney adds LGBTQ+ rep to get a full 100 on the diversity board for companies (yes it's a real thing look it up) and if they don't they will lose HUNDREDS of investors.
4:54 DONT YOU!?
😂 Got me dying
"What's the best New Disney movie"
**something from a decade ago**
"True"
Disney is just stuck in the past at this point. Everyone else including DreamWorks, Illumination, and Sony have all moved on and Disney just doesn’t know how to do that. They’ve become so comfortable where they are that they’re unwilling to be stretched and daring again to the point where it’s now harming them yet they still refuse to budge. And that’s honestly just sad to see.
For all the trouble Wish is causing right now, the movie did teach me that the Animation studio is being held hostage by Disney, so that was one good thing it has going for it.
I found Wish kind of decent though, yeah it’s not my favorite one by them but I found it pretty watchable and I liked the animation and music
The haunted mansion movie is not based off the movie from the 2000s, it’s a love letter to the original attraction Haunted Mansion in Disney land. As I Disney parks fan, I really loved the movie but I feel like it wasn’t a great choice to make.
As a fellow parks fan yeah, I saw the failure coming a mile away. It’s entirely just references to the ride, which I personally enjoyed, but the average moviegoer in Nebraska is not gonna know or care about the Hatbox Ghost, or Madame Leota, or any of that.
I still forget that the Haunted Mansion even got a remake in the first place
The HM movie was a movie made for fans of the HM more then anyone. And as a fan I liked it, but Disney absolutely set it up for failure.
Absolutely should've been an October release, baffled why it wasn't.
@@jlwiseman98 I guess it probably had to do with the Five Nights at Freddy’s movie.
@thedrewster0408 I thought that too but that one came out around the end of October.
HM absolutely could've worked as an early October release, I can't wrap my mind around why it wasn't.
And I thought that Warner Bros. is having problems recently, but at least its not as bad or terrible as what Disney is going through right now.
I bet everyone else is somewhat thinking the same thing and understand what I mean by all of this right now.
Least they changed their minds on canceling Coyote v. Acme, so hey, baby steps.
@@TheDigitalApple I suppose that true and it proves that Warner Bros. are redeeming themselves.
Its a slow start but it something to be aware of.
Am I right?
@@TheDigitalAppleit’s probably going to be stuck in development hell forever and be silently cancelled
@@NoName-oz3gj actually it was complete, the only thing left was marketing really.
feels like every company is having problems these days
I’m happy that the movie I liked the most of these, guardians 3 did the best. Well written and passionately made stuff making money while bad stuff doesn’t is a trend I hope continues.
Agreed
It was much more emotional and intense than I expected but still very well done and a phenomenal way to end the series
I am glad yes that it was successful
The best part is that nobody feels bad for the company failing on their 100th anniversary. Says all you need to know.
I’m surprised you didn’t bring up Disney+.
So many people have the service, so why would anyone pay for gas to go buy a ticket at a theater for a movie they can only watch once, when they can just wait a few months to see it at home?
especially when inflation is a thing and watching at home is safer
If I'm not mistaken, Disney+ has also been in trouble lately as viewership is falling.
Well,Walter Disney isn't happy probably.
He aint sad either
He's too busy being dead
his frozen head is stuck grinning with distaste at the current state of disney
Really sad seeing the "Once Upon a Studio"special being the only good thing of Disney in this year.😞
Pixar Elemental ?...Well maybe,it's decent.
What about owl house finale and loki season 2
@@vukmijatovicWell,Those Two are great thankfully.⭐
But in the"Movie thing",Disney is in really in a Bad area.💧
Andor?
Elemental is amazing
Everyone praises that and not much else for a reason.
8:23 The "tiny budget major profit" idea reminds me of how well Dreamworks is doing. They aren't overspending on effective movies. Sure, some movies flop and some are unpopular with critical audiences, but it really shows a lot when more budget does not equal more returns.
With Pixar and their animated tv shows I have more faith that it would be still be consistently entertaining, but as for the rest of Disney they burned so many bridges that I can’t tell if it going to be good or not.
Crazy how Disney use to be the golden standard in animation.
Him yapping at the end while the credits are masking over him is the funniest thing
Don’t forget about the phrase that made everyone start griping at Disney more
"PUT A CHICK IN IT AND MAKE HER LAME"
"Let's take this mostly-male-enjoyed franchise and punch down on the male characters to promote our new female versions. I'm sure the audience will love it"
@@dukeminty Phase 4 didn't really punch down on men, and I say that as a man myself
The state of Disney makes me want to watch the ENTIRETY of Illumination's filmography
Oh yah, at least Illumination's films are mostly average with some actually being pretty good. I definitely look forward to seeing Migration!
Oh, and I'd honestly listen to any of Illumination's soundtracks than Wish's soundtrack
@@GraysonHVAI mean it may be corny pop music but it has coherent lyrics
@@elliottpakI bet the whole world would agree that “How Bad Can I Be” is a better villain song than “This Is the Thanks I Get.”
Honestly disney failing at the box office for the message was truly entertaining.
yep
The message being greed.
The Disney Cycle
1. Disney tries something new
2. It becomes a massive success
3. Disney will run that concept into the ground thinking it’ll work again and again until everybody gets tired of it
4. Repeat 1-3
This might be the worst year for Disney but the day Walt died will always be worst day in this company's history. I can only imagine what he would be thinking right now if he came back to life.
1:08 "LS Marketable figure" i love it lmao
As someone who dreams of working in the animation industry and is currently applied to various animation schools, its just very depressing. Disney used to have such amazing artistic value theyre one of the biggest reasons why I’ve always adored the medium of animation and to see its legacy destroyed by corruption and greed especially on its 100th anniversary is just heartbreaking. 100 years of an admiring and beautiful legacy just absolutely destroyed with no mercy. It’s especially hard for artists like me to see such a massive inspiration fall so far from grace. I really hope one day theyll climb out of this hole but it may not be for a while unfortunately.
I don't understand how Disney at no point anticipated franchise fatigue. They dumped in bilions in Star Wars and Marvel and actually expected people to care for it over the course of 10-15 years
0:48 Yeah i didn't expected being ashamed of liking Sonic for the first time this month (you know it's a common occurence) on a Disney video but here we are
That once upon a studio short felt more like a finale, than just a throwback.
3:02 I hate the original Haunted Mansion because it doesn't go anywhere, and I can't say anything about this new reboot because I haven't seen it
Their "worst year ever" will still be profitable once the audited financials come out next Spring. Still a bad year overall though.
They lost over 1 billion dollars, you can't fudge the numbers that hard 😂
@@mrgreen3002iger is definitely getting sacked. And Kennedy certainly is lasting past 2024
Not really disney plus still dont make profit,and tbh mark was kind to the movies cuz they need to make 2.5 times the budget so of the movies he showed only guardians made some money
They've been having net losses pretty consistently for a couple years IIRC wih this being the most severe I've seen.
Yeah no, they're not making a profit here.
I really appreciate you candidly telling us that you’re going to bed at the end of the video. There’s an element of relatability that you captured by doing so. And I have to say the message of this video was communicated aptly. Thank you for your effort!
Good reminder that nothing lasts forever, whether good or bad
2:30 That is assuming that 100% of the box office goes to Disney, which isn't the case, as the theaters would be operating for free.
Theaters get a cut of around 50% of the box office, it varies a bit depending on the region, but 50% is a good measure.
So a movie that costed 200M to make, already including the marketing, would need to make 400M in the box office just to break even
feels like very few movies nowadays are breaking even. ESPECIALLY this year
@@saiyanscaris6530
Oh Yeah Disney Is Getting Kicked Out For What He Has Done To 20th Century Fox and Blue Sky Studios 😈
they never include marketing in the reported budgets, and even then, they dont always tell the truth. The only reason we even know that the little mermaid cost nearly 300 million to make was because they're required by UK law to report the expenses. after deducting the 58~ million dollar subsidy from the UK govt, the budget settled at around 240 million _before_ adding marketing, which they aren't required to disclose.
It was really bizarre how they handled Haunted Mansion. Not just giving it barely any advertising, but also releasing a Very Clearly Halloween Movie in SUMMER
They released in the summer so it could be put on Disney+ in October.
It’s almost like it was meant to be a streaming exclusive at first…
It almost feels like Disney bought Wish from Wish
I feel like Disney is focusing less on true Disney fans and more on satisfying Disney adults
That’s pretty accurate
I don't think the Disney Adults are taking the bait either TBH, at least not enough of them.
At this point, I could care little about Disney anymore. I’m more interested in what Dreamworks, Illumination, studios overseas, like in Japan and France, and indie animation, has cooking up.
Walter Disney in heaven:"Curse you,Bob "The Agony"Iger !"
I don't think walt Disney was a good person but yeah fuck Bob iger, it's his fault why the company is having a shitty 100th anniversary
4:27 Nah, don't diss Christopher Robin like that. It was such a great movie compared to the other live action Disney films that are based on their animated features, especially on those remakes.
Imagine Walt Disney seeing this.
I'm always reminded of something I mentioned last year that Disney will be falling into another dark age like the 1980s after so many failures. And then someone replied "it's Disney. They'll manage."
And now... Here we are, ominous user, I won.
I don't think Disney is dying, moreso just entering another dark age. Which is something the company has entered 3-4 times at this point with WW2, the 70s-80s, and even the post renaissance before Tangled. Now is bad but not to the point of 1980s Black Cauldron bad where Disney was on the verge of killing off their animation studio entirely. The Once Upon a Studio short proves to me that the old Disney magic is still in there just buried deep. It's just gonna take a bit for Disney to rebound as it always does.
I love it when Lightly Shidded Mark posts a new video.
I wish Disney would make movies for target demographics.
Barbie did well because it was a movie for women and it catered to women. Oppenheimer did well because it was a movie for history enthusiasts and went all in on that as well. Even the FNAF movie did well cause it was full of fun stuff for the FANS.
Indiana Jones is a series mostly enjoyed by men. There was no reason for the new movie to punch down on him as a character and promote his female sidekick. It did "well", but still barely made anything back, and I think it's because many dudes assumed it would not be what they wanted. Most of what Disney pumps out now is that safe bland nothing storytelling like you mentioned.
Actually the Dial of Destiny did not make any money, it was actually one of Disney's worst failures this year taking into account the marketing budget and theater cuts
2:31 The thing is, even guardians 3 wasn't a smash hit. It didn't exactly break any box office records despite putting up respectable numbers and its budget is still pretty high. Studios only take about 55-60% of the domestic box office and 40% of the international, so in reality, Guardians 3 certainly made back its budget, Elementals and the little mermaid barely broke even, and the rest flopped pretty hard. You also forgot about ant man 3 which was also a box office dissapointment.
how many movies even reached break even in terms of budget this year?
I knew wish did bad but I didn’t know it did “only made back a forth of it’s budget” bad
I always felt pixar carried disney and that aside from the renaissance and some occasional bangers from the early 2000’s and early 2010’s they’ve always been pretty mid but these recent years have just sealed it, but it’s always important to remember what they contributed to the world of art and animation as a whole so…there is that
Serves them right for what they did to Star Wars. They ran the greatest franchise ever made into the ground, all because they were obsessed with making money. They didn't even invent Star Wars, but they still bought and milked it for all it was worth.
It’s not just Disney. WBD is also suffering the same thing if not worse than Disney. Think of it this way, they had all 4 DC films flopping back to back with the biggest one the Flash being the biggest box office bomb of all time, cancelling already finished projects like Coyote vs Acme, removing animated shows off of HBO Max, the WGA and SAG strikes affected them, planning to do more live service games, the list goes on.
And Warner Bros also turned 100 this year.
David Zaslav better be fired soon before he does more harm.
@@joshuaW5621Warner Bros Made "The Big Bang Theory" Honestly TBS Deserves A Raise For Airing It On Warner Bros 100 Year Anniversary Day
@@joshuaW5621 atnt ruined wb, and yeah zaslav is kinda ruining wb though cancelling movies but atnt put warner is so much debt
I thought Coyote Vs Acme was now being shopped around because of the outrage ?
But Barbie was definitely their biggest hit this year and I did kind of like the DC films and I will still see Aquaman 2
@@joshuaW5621 and they celebrate by making a teen titans go special
Honestly, with the huge amount of money Disney has been making throughout the years, especially in 2019, I feel like it’s ok if they have a downer year, shows that their recent tactics aren’t always gonna lead them towards success, and that maybe they need try something different and new if they want to obtain their audiences interests again. .
But why 2 years in a row? And why on their centenary?
the main problem is its the 100 year anniversary. the once in a human lifetime BIG ONE
They lost over 1 billion dollars lol
Bro, it was their 100th year. Their biggest milestone ever, and they just fumbled it almost completely. Almost due to One Upon a Studio being their sole saving grace this year.
They lost 60% of the stock price in 2 years if this goes on for more than 2 years they are fucked
What a turbulent year this has been for Disney.
Agreed who knows if things will change I guess we’ll have to wait and see
The biggest casualty of the actors strike was not having Brie Larson forced to do press for ‘The Marvels’ and pretend she doesn’t hate every minute of playing that stupid character.
Also generally the Theater going experience has been getting more and more expensive each year. Meaning less people are willing spend upwards of $20-30 just to see average at best Disney Movie.
It’s sad seeing Disney in this state 😞
They deserve it the way they take advantage of their own staff and customers
No it’s not
@@EligibleBubble lol
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I mean it's sad seeing the company make all these poor decisions that are causing themselves to flop.
But hey! At least we have Dreamworks, Illumination, and Sony that we can still rely on!
Oh it’s not like I’m sad for the company or CEO’s or anything. It’s just sad that they used to make such excellent animated movies and now they’re mediocre at best.
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I still can’t believe this is the same studio that put out Beauty & The Beast
I don't know, at this point Disney under Eisner looked like a bright future compared to Iger.
Atleast Eisner and his people knew when to stop. Iger on the other hand, decides to keep pressing forward instead of slowing down and seeing his mistakes.
Honestly, hoping Disney fails. They have too much power. Their products have been very bad lately too. I really hope that I'm wrong and they aren't too big to fail. Really love your content mark and I was happy to see you shared my enjoyment of Guardians 3. Keep posting awesome content.
We the fans:"This is the worst disney year ever"
Homer Simpsons:"Well,that's the worst Disney year so far my boy"
Sadly...😞
You know, maybe live action Chicken Little really is what Disney needs to make it big again.
And the fact that there might lose the old design of Mickey Mouse next year says a lot too
okay i get it with the jumpscare audio but god it makes it hard to watch peacefully at night
2:15 I liked what you did there, even Sonic thinks they didn't make it .