@@gmbn you use the same green foam that Blake used but, place a thin garden hose in that gap facing outward, so the tire doesn't compress that much when riding on pavement since the green foam is shaped that way.
@@gmbn A true airless, puncture proof tire? No ideas here, but it would have to be like an insert big enough to fill the entire inside of the tire, and still be stiff enough to ride on, that's my 2 cents, also GMBN is AWESOME!!!
I've been seeing the ads for it for a while. Seems like it would negatively effect rolling resistance, like tubes only worse. What's your experience been?
@Surestick88 They are worth it for anyone who hates sealant, never having to stop riding is a plus. My 3 top bikes all have them with Schwalbe poly tubes. I am about 190 lbs with my pack and I am not feeling increased rolling resistance. If anything there is an increase in climbing traction on less than smooth climbs and what feels like low frequency damping on the downs. They are cheap enough to try in my book.
I got the airliners the other day not fitted yet but it does say if you get a flat you only get 1hr riding time on the insert so be interesting to see how long you get with it like this lol never heard of anyone saying they feel the groove when riding so now wanting to go fit them and find out later
I bought some cheap Fincci branded 27.5 mtb tyres off Amazon, fitted standards tubes and I swear these tyres are puncture proof. They weigh a ton and grip isn’t great on trails but used to ride straight across brambles and never had a single puncture. Great for cross country/gravel though and cheap too.
i have tried a tubeless insert. it was hard as a rock. felt like i had more than 100 psi. i felt every pebble on the trail. the wheel started to make a noise i didn't like. it took me to cut the solid tube out as well as cutting the tire into pieces to remove the tire and solid tube. i want to try what you did. maybe put a smaller tube on the top of the foam tube to make maybe a softer ride. i used a thick tire liner and didn't have a flat for years. i was going to visit a friend and i got a flat. the friend came and saved me. took the wheel apart and put a new tube in. i did inspect the inside of the tire to make sure there was nothing inside. put the new tube and tire back on. right away i got two more flats. took everything apart got a ride home and continued my investigation and finally determined my plastic tube save had turned hard and cracked because of the heat here in AZ and so i needed to replace the tube saver. then i saw those victoria things that you used. i really haven't done much riding since. had other problems im trying to fix now with little success. thanks for the content.
hey Blake for your THIRD attempt: with spray foam you're supposed to drill holes at regular intervals to spray the foam into the gap and ensure that it still fills the void completely. I think there's even instructions on the can for that, as well as doors and windows whose gaps are exposed with the trim removed. obviously you can't do that for the inner one without containing it somehow, maybe you could wrap it in tape that you'll be removing before you try to put it on the I'm. however aren't those liners designed to compress when you fill it with air, then fluff back up when you lose air pressure?
very plausible. I wonder if you could mount the tyre+liner, then use a modified Lezyne co2 Blaster with the expanding foam hooked to it instead of co2 canister. and puncture/blast foam in around the outside. Then hope that you can spray enough into the inner side via the valve... or if he really wants to sacrifice the rim, drill and mount another 1 or 2 valves into the rim.
Tubes here and I honestly can’t remember last time I got a flat ,,,,? Maybe 2015 when I hit a roofing nail witch was a surprise because I was on the side walk ,,, yea you didn’t hear that last part ,, ha , but no serious one in over 100,000 km of riding
got my pers record number of punctures in a tire/tube by taking a shortcut thru a wash, i'd say less than 100yards: 5 thorns in the front 3 in the rear :) @@gundamnit3594
in the forklift world we use a liquid rubber we pump into tyres to make them solid once the rubber dries, i used it on my old bicycle it works great, yes it is a little bit heavy, but you never get flats and when the tyre looses it tread you just cut the old tyre off buy a new tyre and fill it up again with the liquid rubber again
Thanks Blake for doing this so we don't have to 😂 I'll stick to my Bontrager tubeless setup on the carbon hardtail & solid rubber tyres on the penny farthing 😊
I've always though we should have a honeycomb or aero bar (UK chocolate) type internal to tyres, that way only the smallest section would be affected when you ride over something that would cause you a puncture. 3D printed tyres would be pricey if course, but the interval of replacement would be so greatly reduced.
This is the issue with mountain biking, the need to build more jankish and hazardous trails to prove what. Larger jumps and drops, crazer rock gardens is what kills tires, and overall, the longevity of the bike. For the average rider, tire punctures are not an issue at all when you run proper PSI. I have been riding MTB for 32 years and had under 10 punctures.
Forklifts often use a sort of tire which has a sort of foam inside, called Superelastic or short SE. However these tires are heavy as hell, and the suspension is not the same as with air filled tires. Also the rolling resistance is higher, what is not a problem in this case. Air tires may not be perfect, but they still offer the best suspension and you can adjust the pressure to get it harder or softer.
HMM. I reckon a better idea is the way tire inserts for rock crawling RC cars are made. Harder Foam, like the insert and then more like a memory foam to feel the gaps. Won't turn to dust like the spray foam. Easier use. Probably use some 3m cloth spray glue to attach to the foam inserts. ***edit: typo
a while ago I've seen a product called Mr. Wolf Komdom, which is a mousse condom for the inner tube.... I wonder if that works... but it looks very promising
I would have drilled holes into the tire itself and stick the foam tube down into it and fill it that way……a lot less mess like that….this was very entertaining and painful to watch though😂
Haven't watched yet. This will be interesting. I ride 30km a day to get to work and home on busy highway. Run over alot of screws, nails, twisted wire.... punctures at least every fortnight.... ended up going solid but that's only lasted 6 months before it's foam cells deteriorate and the drag from it is bad.
I think spray foam is a bad choice as its not really squishy foam in its final form but rather solid. It would be better off with another piece of rubber hose or sponge. to fill the gaps. I've seen some motocross riders use tennis balls for their tires. there's probably better materials out there.
I would thought nails instead of screws I thought Schwalbe do enough tyres that can't puncture I'm going innertube instead of tubeless as it is way better
I would like a follow up episode of this video but with epoxy instead. glue i thin piece of rubber or foam 10-15 mm thick on the inside of the tire and 5-10mm thick foam or rubber on the sidewalls and then fill it up with epoxy.
non flat tyres do already exsist. A company in my village in The Netherlands is making them for years and years already. Granted; they make them mostly for commuterbikes ( I think) and thus for on the road, but still; non flat tyres already exsist. They also sell in Germany, Belgium and they have a distributor in the UK too...company is called DutchPerfect BV...
Plenty of tubliss systems out the for moto enduro, all my bikes have them. So if a tyre firm like Michelin can make them already.. I'm sure they can make a compound to work for peddle bikes. I guess the only thing holding them back must be extra weight, sidewall strength and rim locks. 🤷
as soon as you hit anything with the rear tire, the foam breaks in to smaller and smaller parts. as the foam then turns into dust, it will be uneven and not what you started out with. this is for so many reasons a bad idea
i totally feel blake when suffering while trying to put the vittoria tyre on. those things just wont get into the rim. it once took me like 50 minutes to mount one when i put a huck norris into it.
@@Ferrari255GTO - that actually will not work since there is no way the foam would go all the way around the rim. Plus the foam dries hard and can't take any shock. Just get a Tanus insert.
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Would you swap air for an insert and expanding foam? Are you already using an insert in your tubeless setup? Let us know in the comment section! 👇
Use the Tannus Armor tire insert and forget the punctures whole life 👍🏻👌🏻
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I fill mines with smurfs, I give them a bunch of latex and patches, if they want to be fed they need to keep on top of punctures.
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@federaldelii I just fitted one of those to a 20 inch today and it was such a prick to fit lol.
You have to try a pool-noodle 😂🎉😍
secretly Blake was showing how well a good regular tubeless setup actual works
The expanding foam will break down to essentially just riding on the insert. BUT it was cool to see that there was no air in the tire at all!
Great point Robert! Do you have another material in mind that might work better? 🤔
@@gmbn I remember in an older GMBN vid, you guys recommended stuffing your tires with grass. maybe how about a very thin garden hose? it's quite rigid
So would you need multiple wraps of hose for that idea?
@@gmbn you use the same green foam that Blake used but, place a thin garden hose in that gap facing outward, so the tire doesn't compress that much when riding on pavement since the green foam is shaped that way.
@@gmbn A true airless, puncture proof tire? No ideas here, but it would have to be like an insert big enough to fill the entire inside of the tire, and still be stiff enough to ride on, that's my 2 cents, also GMBN is AWESOME!!!
We need a "Blake is building weird mtb things" series 😂❤
Agreed!
No amount of avoided punctures is worth that installation nightmare. 😱
Let's just collectively never speak of this again. The first 5 minutes of this video will give me nightmares.
Blake in himself is satisfying content already :)
Tannus Armor insert is the best 👍🏻
Yup, what he said...
I've been seeing the ads for it for a while. Seems like it would negatively effect rolling resistance, like tubes only worse.
What's your experience been?
@Surestick88 They are worth it for anyone who hates sealant, never having to stop riding is a plus. My 3 top bikes all have them with Schwalbe poly tubes. I am about 190 lbs with my pack and I am not feeling increased rolling resistance. If anything there is an increase in climbing traction on less than smooth climbs and what feels like low frequency damping on the downs. They are cheap enough to try in my book.
Love the video. Made me wonder how Blake put all that messy foam in the tire without getting any on his hoody sleeves?
He's a skilled tradesman 👷♂️
Quite possibly THE Silliest vid that even Blake has ever done. Credit to him - the dude will try Anything once!😅
Maxxis dd or dh or wtb tough casing.. With cushcore. Never had a problem since.
Most satisfying thing about fixing a tube is finding the hole
This is an emergency alert message
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Never put expanding foam in something you like.
I like patching tubes squishing the patch covering the hole very satisfying my patches last 4 ever
I got the airliners the other day not fitted yet but it does say if you get a flat you only get 1hr riding time on the insert so be interesting to see how long you get with it like this lol never heard of anyone saying they feel the groove when riding so now wanting to go fit them and find out later
I bought some cheap Fincci branded 27.5 mtb tyres off Amazon, fitted standards tubes and I swear these tyres are puncture proof. They weigh a ton and grip isn’t great on trails but used to ride straight across brambles and never had a single puncture. Great for cross country/gravel though and cheap too.
When I was a kid we used to get foam tubes for our BMX bikes out here in the Arizona desert, there was no way to get a flat then haha.
i have tried a tubeless insert. it was hard as a rock. felt like i had more than 100 psi. i felt every pebble on the trail. the wheel started to make a noise i didn't like. it took me to cut the solid tube out as well as cutting the tire into pieces to remove the tire and solid tube. i want to try what you did. maybe put a smaller tube on the top of the foam tube to make maybe a softer ride. i used a thick tire liner and didn't have a flat for years. i was going to visit a friend and i got a flat. the friend came and saved me. took the wheel apart and put a new tube in. i did inspect the inside of the tire to make sure there was nothing inside. put the new tube and tire back on. right away i got two more flats. took everything apart got a ride home and continued my investigation and finally determined my plastic tube save had turned hard and cracked because of the heat here in AZ and so i needed to replace the tube saver. then i saw those victoria things that you used. i really haven't done much riding since. had other problems im trying to fix now with little success. thanks for the content.
hey Blake for your THIRD attempt: with spray foam you're supposed to drill holes at regular intervals to spray the foam into the gap and ensure that it still fills the void completely. I think there's even instructions on the can for that, as well as doors and windows whose gaps are exposed with the trim removed. obviously you can't do that for the inner one without containing it somehow, maybe you could wrap it in tape that you'll be removing before you try to put it on the I'm. however aren't those liners designed to compress when you fill it with air, then fluff back up when you lose air pressure?
very plausible. I wonder if you could mount the tyre+liner, then use a modified Lezyne co2 Blaster with the expanding foam hooked to it instead of co2 canister. and puncture/blast foam in around the outside. Then hope that you can spray enough into the inner side via the valve... or if he really wants to sacrifice the rim, drill and mount another 1 or 2 valves into the rim.
Them solid plastic tyres from the 80's were quite a hoot on your neck and wrists
A small price to pay! 🤷♂️
Oh. My. Goodness. Now Blake has to rebuild his mancave completely. Good for a new episode of Blake Builds. Or better… #Blakedestroys
Tubes here and I honestly can’t remember last time I got a flat ,,,,? Maybe 2015 when I hit a roofing nail witch was a surprise because I was on the side walk ,,, yea you didn’t hear that last part ,, ha , but no serious one in over 100,000 km of riding
I have a nightmare just trying to get the tyre on let alone with what Blake has done……great vid as always with Blake
Blake is very dedicated to answering the questions nobody asks, all in the name of science! 🤘
on the foam insert, the grooves go side to side, not outter and innerside as you installed it
I basically never get punctures on tubeless even riding in the AZ desert.
Same haven't had to use my spare inner tube once in the 3 years since I moved out here.
got my pers record number of punctures in a tire/tube by taking a shortcut thru a wash, i'd say less than 100yards: 5 thorns in the front 3 in the rear :) @@gundamnit3594
Blake reminds me of some mad scientist working away on some insane projects in some secret laboratory! (Cue evil laughter.)
I've looked into the solid tires. I just wish they had better threads.
I’m sold on the tubeless.
Wtf. I just woke up from a mtb dream ending in double flats to this 😮
in the forklift world we use a liquid rubber we pump into tyres to make them solid once the rubber dries, i used it on my old bicycle it works great, yes it is a little bit heavy, but you never get flats and when the tyre looses it tread you just cut the old tyre off buy a new tyre and fill it up again with the liquid rubber again
I remember when I was 4 or 5 years old my bike had solid tires
Is that tyre on backwards
Thanks Blake for doing this so we don't have to 😂 I'll stick to my Bontrager tubeless setup on the carbon hardtail & solid rubber tyres on the penny farthing 😊
I've always though we should have a honeycomb or aero bar (UK chocolate) type internal to tyres, that way only the smallest section would be affected when you ride over something that would cause you a puncture. 3D printed tyres would be pricey if course, but the interval of replacement would be so greatly reduced.
This is the issue with mountain biking, the need to build more jankish and hazardous trails to prove what. Larger jumps and drops, crazer rock gardens is what kills tires, and overall, the longevity of the bike.
For the average rider, tire punctures are not an issue at all when you run proper PSI. I have been riding MTB for 32 years and had under 10 punctures.
Had solid tubes in my bmx as a child. The tubes weighed more than the bike I’m pretty sure.
just fill the the whole tire with expanding foam
Forklifts often use a sort of tire which has a sort of foam inside, called Superelastic or short SE.
However these tires are heavy as hell, and the suspension is not the same as with air filled tires. Also the rolling resistance is higher, what is not a problem in this case.
Air tires may not be perfect, but they still offer the best suspension and you can adjust the pressure to get it harder or softer.
Can you have no punctures, yes have tubeless tires 😂 This was pretty funny though and creative
B-Lake is awesome 😂
Car tyre puncture repair foam?
Same test, but use a Tannus Armour (the tube version, not the tubeless one)
HMM. I reckon a better idea is the way tire inserts for rock crawling RC cars are made. Harder Foam, like the insert and then more like a memory foam to feel the gaps. Won't turn to dust like the spray foam. Easier use. Probably use some 3m cloth spray glue to attach to the foam inserts. ***edit: typo
They have been running moose tubes in dirtbikes for years. Same deal.
Yeah that’s the same as what I thought. I heard the DH boys had tried them but I’m not really sure.
moose balls now
I've never heard of a tyre. Looks very similar in concept to the tire.
Xd
Now you did.
😂
TBH it would likely have been easier to fill in the channels in the insert with more insert material cut from another insert, not expanding foam.
Just to let you know, you should never blow compressed air against your skin/mouth etc as it can force tiny air bubbles into your blood stream.
a while ago I've seen a product called Mr. Wolf Komdom, which is a mousse condom for the inner tube.... I wonder if that works... but it looks very promising
I'd do it just to be weird. Now cut that liner in half and do it to the GCN guys and have them measure its performance on a hill.
I would have drilled holes into the tire itself and stick the foam tube down into it and fill it that way……a lot less mess like that….this was very entertaining and painful to watch though😂
We NEEEEEED a company to produce a tire even with rim that is fully foamed and DONE that we can BUY!
05:58 Need an endless 10h MemeVid/ Gif... xD
Maybe try flexible polyurethan foam it could be better than the rigid foam. It qould propebly hond up way better
I simply line the tyre with nylon webbing strap (like used for the waist belt on a backpack before installing tube. :: Darn near bullet proof.
Haven't watched yet. This will be interesting. I ride 30km a day to get to work and home on busy highway. Run over alot of screws, nails, twisted wire.... punctures at least every fortnight.... ended up going solid but that's only lasted 6 months before it's foam cells deteriorate and the drag from it is bad.
Side note: someone get Blake a bloody heater for his shed.
That would be an excelent option for downhil!! So maybe in a few years we'll see that being a norm in DH, who knows? :D
The mechanics won't be happy at all... 😂
@@gmbn why not?? Less work and tweaking for them 😁😁
In the States they sell a product called fix a flat.
They had propain listed in their sponsors but it got replaced by nukeproof🤔
Did you have to flag any cars down to remove the stinger strip?
I think spray foam is a bad choice as its not really squishy foam in its final form but rather solid. It would be better off with another piece of rubber hose or sponge. to fill the gaps. I've seen some motocross riders use tennis balls for their tires. there's probably better materials out there.
This looked like Blake was cooking up a cream cheese stuffed tire for later 😂
It's to go with the cheese grips! 🧀
I would thought nails instead of screws
I thought Schwalbe do enough tyres that can't puncture
I'm going innertube instead of tubeless as it is way better
I would like a follow up episode of this video but with epoxy instead. glue i thin piece of rubber or foam 10-15 mm thick on the inside of the tire and 5-10mm thick foam or rubber on the sidewalls and then fill it up with epoxy.
I don't think this is going to catch on somehow 🤔 was a laugh a minute though 😂
5 hour gang
Fun video! Btw, "mota" literally means "fat" in Hindi... That's a not fat, fat tyre.
non flat tyres do already exsist. A company in my village in The Netherlands is making them for years and years already. Granted; they make them mostly for commuterbikes ( I think) and thus for on the road, but still; non flat tyres already exsist. They also sell in Germany, Belgium and they have a distributor in the UK too...company is called DutchPerfect BV...
I’d like to have seen Blake take that tyre back off after spraying expanding foam all over that insert ,tyre and wheel 😂
DREAD the day your grip is worn and tyre needs replacing!! 🤣
We'd have to replace the wheels as well!
shouldnt this be a Blake Builds episode?🤔
Not sure much building went on, but he did use expanding foam which is used in construction 🤷♂️ So maybe....
You can always make steel casing tyres
forbidden whip cream
could also just make those NASA bike wheels
That was a funny experiment. Unfortunately, the flat rear tire will absorb water and dirt. Driving in the rain will become unbearable
My riding partner has solid tyres .He has punctured all types of pneumatics .
I have a puncture proof tire with Orange Seal installed.
Plenty of tubliss systems out the for moto enduro, all my bikes have them. So if a tyre firm like Michelin can make them already.. I'm sure they can make a compound to work for peddle bikes. I guess the only thing holding them back must be extra weight, sidewall strength and rim locks. 🤷
What's a peddle bike?
@@johnnyblue4799 one you're trying to sell🤔😉
@@johnnyblue4799a typical bicycle/bike just another way of saying it
@@RS-xq6je Eh well, I think he meant a pedal bike. I've never seen a bike peddling...
@@johnnyblue4799 ah you were trying to be a knob I'm with you now my mistake
that's the most ghetto Blake bike build that was made to this day
i think you miss spelled tire in the heading
as soon as you hit anything with the rear tire, the foam breaks in to smaller and smaller parts. as the foam then turns into dust, it will be uneven and not what you started out with. this is for so many reasons a bad idea
dude, expanding foam is hard when it sets.....why would you ever think this is a good idea lol
A friend tried filling his mobility scooter tyres with expanding foam it worked fore about 20 minutes 😢😂😂😂
Ya'll never seen a tyre moose for motorcycle tyres?
Nothing worse than a punny
That’s the mess I imagined than I first time heard about sealant in tyres
Evidence Blake did not invent wireless brakes.
Watched this video 3 years ago
What's this? Early April fool? Really entertaining though! :)))
Mad respect to u Blake No way I’m trying to get that tyre on 👌🥲✌️
i totally feel blake when suffering while trying to put the vittoria tyre on. those things just wont get into the rim. it once took me like 50 minutes to mount one when i put a huck norris into it.
I found concrete works well in my tyres. 😂
So it’s a moose? I thought dh have tried something like this already??
Didn't NASA do this already?
❤❤😢😢😊😊😊😊😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 please 🙏 do more videos on this topic. Bike, scooter etc. 2 wheels this tym😊😊
you can see the fumes 😷
Moose like us moto guys. Suck to install but sends forever.
Hey Blake, there's no `ash` in asphalt!
How did I know this was going to involve spray foam.
Idk, but you could probably make a whole ass insert just injecting it through the valve hole
@@Ferrari255GTO - that actually will not work since there is no way the foam would go all the way around the rim. Plus the foam dries hard and can't take any shock. Just get a Tanus insert.
Yes if tyres were solid rubber but they would be too heavy ...