Tomas Bogardus, God vs Evolution & Moral Beliefs
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
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I really like this, Tomas guy.
Tjump's moral theory has to be the most asinine thing I've ever heard 😂
and morality as conforming to god is..?
@@leo--4341 I would say morality as conforming to your most perfect ideal of whatever "god" may be is far superior to postmodern moral theories.
@@garrettfish8471 god plays favorites in all the abrahamic religions, allowing for pillaging and holding prisoners of war from the nations around god’s chosen people. god is like a child playing with his action figures
Morality is the climb to personal forcefields. genius.
‘When did the worms eat the eyes of children?’ Ephesians 11:1- everything happens according to god’s will.
1:35:00 the reason we have such a wide variety of nut jobs on this planet, is come the apocalypse _someone_ will crawl out from the rubble and start over. we have survived, life itself has survived, through diversity - even nut jobs are required.
come to think of it i spent seven years designing porn magazines, not only did i earn loads of money, it was "character" building, my girlfriend at the time was at uni (university college london, reading psychology) but all out friends were feminist or activists of one kind or another, and i never had any conflicts over my "career" with anyone, it was when i went to art schools too, so that was a really productive part of my life, i was living with a psychologist, i went voluntarily into therapy myself, it was an experiential time. it was a fun job, i had great work colleagues, it was a great time of my life.
Whatre you yappin about
@@Shehatescashmorality
how you get into the business ?
A good question for this guy is what he thinks heaven is like.
stop worrying Tomas
On 28:57-29:11 TJump shows TRUE epistemological mastery.
Just out of curiosity: What about Tom's epistemology on this subject are you meaning to critique? Please be specific.
@michaelholland3151 I guess you mean, Tomas' Bogardus epistemology, right? TJump is great, Tomas B is not. Just plain, not.
Trying to be charitable only once a year.
If you need clarification, please watch the time-frame I pointed at in my message.
Then I suppose we're in agreement. Your phrasing came off as somewhat facetious to me. Just chalk it up to a poor reading on my part, I guess.
How is his position defensible? What are you using to determine the reliability of your possibly unreliable senses?
@Doll-db1gc Because EVERYTHING TJump says is based on reality, and he does NOT exaggerate.
I use my mostly reliable senses + comparison against already verified evidence.
Good1 TJ! 💯🤘🏼
TJump believes in patterns
They’re simply so way this person can be both unaware of how dishonest he’s being and intellectually competent enough for their opinion on this subject to be relevant. “Yeah, I don’t know……”
Small-time thieves should @ least go to jail for 30-90 days with a year's probation. I personally think it's fair enough.
Tomas, how'd you think these $80K-$100K+ video game developers get there? 🎮💯🤘🏼
what does powerpoint add to this? isn't it meant to be a discussion, if i wanted to go to a drive in i wouldn't be on youtube.
What an odd thing to take issue with.
So its clear the theist doesn't want free will for the people. Just his type of people. He denies Tom's hypothesis but is happy with an invisible sky daddy sending anyone that doesn't worship him to hell. Then pretends to hold the logical high ground. Whilst worshipping a dead animal above his fireplace. Also, why does he keep saying tom said something he didn't say by changing around the words tom used. Is that just another lying theists.
Under TJumps logic it would be MORE moral to cannibalize multiple people at the same time if all parties consent. Heavens Gate wasn't a tragedy, it was actually a moral good that all those people deleted themselves in effort to connect to Haley's Comet.
they consented , didn't they ?
and IF they had HAD SOME EDUCATION BEFOREHAND ,
THIS WOULDN'T NEED TO HAVE HAPPENED IN THE GOD DAMNED FIRST PLACE ,
it's reasons LIKE this , that people LIKE Tjump and every other channel ... ARE TRYING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ,
so they DO NOT HAVE TO ... die for a lie that some schmuck made up in HIS head , just Like every Other religion
we KNOW it's all a LIE OUR BRAIN TELLS US , we've got 10.000+ of those non-truths in our heads ,
gods and religions are THE WORST ONE OF ALL , we kind of called it the FRIST ERROR in philosophy ... for a reason , you know ...
CONSENT and PRECEDENT are the most dirty words we ever invented , apparently
99% of the world doesn't seem to know these words even exist ...
consenting adults can do what they like ,
but when you have a BASIS FOR LIFE that tells you you'll be Just Fine ... when you k*ll yourself or get k*lled ,
there's not much anybody can do , is there ?
in fact , if you go back far enough , it's actually >> your own ancestors
This take seems to miss what many theists do. The whole tricking people into thinking things that aren’t true part. Making someone who wants to know what’s true believe something that is not is an involuntary imposition on their will.
1:35:00 He says its perfectly fine 1:35:50 he agrees there is nothing deficient for it to be a moral act. 1:37:20 it would have been more moral to help more people accomplish their wills
I can extend his logic to say finding multiple victims who consent at the same time would be MORE moral, in the same way finding multiple hungry people to feed (not via sex cannibalism) is MORE moral than just feeding 1 hungry person.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with the Heaven's Gate cult, but they documented their consent to group suicide as much as the sex cannibalism case, and they believed with all their heart (to the point of committing suicide) that their hypothesis would one day be confirmed through predictable evidence that there are aliens behind Haley's Comet blah blah blah raising to the next level of existence and all that other wacky stuff they were doing. Loved the sneakers though.
TJump has, as he admitted several times, zero evidence to prove his moral naturalism, but believes (by faith perhaps?) that one day evidence will be found that confirms his hypothesis. How can he claim it is true then? If he cannot claim it is true, would it not be immoral for TJump to assert his unproven claims and "making someone who wants to know what's true believe something that is not" as an involuntary imposition on their will?
vulnerable people being pressured by a cult figure with perceived authority, would render their consent invalid
@@leo--4341 and someone who is severely mentally ill or has some other condition to the point of wanting to be cannablized after their own murder, I would argue, cannot give their full consent to that action as well. Nonetheless, TJump himself states it is a moral act to cannibalize someone if that would help the person in question accomplish their will.
Do you disagree with TJump?
Hey Tomas, are you trynna say that, if one can't see it, therefore it's unbelievable?
2:55 i love how he quotes what you said, then he rewords it so he can argue with what he's just reworded, instead of not being able to argue with what you actually said. they all do that.
22:00 he's still rewording everything you say so he can argue with what he said and not what you said.
39:00 for someone who appears to do this a lot, he's really, really, really slow on the up-take.
50:00 i think he'd be a lot happier just talking to a mirror.
57:00 now this is the thing about religists, they really don't like it when god isn't responsible for the good stuff. i find it next to impossible to imagine a quantum field of some kind, permeating my brain and making it lean towards morality, but, i wouldn't dismiss the idea, cos something is making us moral, 5 million years ago we were behaving morally without even language. but the god squad hate "god didn't do it".
1:00:00 yes, people find ways to be unhappy and hurt each other, but if you have what you need, then you don't need to steal or hurt people to get what you need, cos, you have it. america has mass shootings cos people have plenty of guns. make guns harmless (don't let people have them) mass shooting stop right there (we did this in the UK after dunblane). i love how he's sitting in his chair inside his house, probably with a full fridge, not being able to comprehend that the reason HE isn't stealing is that he has everything he needs. these people are so slow.
1:09:00 and now he's describing why god is a waste of time, god has a moral code already, and we have a war going on in ukraine, god makes zero difference to morality, code or no code.
if there is no suffering, i don't need to "build character to deal with suffering", this is like saying i need a glu glu protection, when glu glu doesn't exist. i don't need to "build character" in a moral world.
well, to be fair, i have devoted a lot of my life to porn, video games and wings, but also i have lots of music on my channel, i'm a sculptor occasionally, i've had an art exhibition about schizophrenia, cos i've been a carer for schizophrenia for some time, i've been to five art schools, i've won awards for my computer graphics, for calligraphy - i even find time to be a dad, a boyfriend, a neighbour - so it is possible to lead "a wasted life" and still do stuff. oh, and i've been to lots of places, including hiroshima. and the US.
1:24:00 yes, i agree, it is "better" to be the courageous, kind, thoughtful person. the point is YOU DON'T GET TO TELL ME. i do it voluntarily. i consent.
he's forgetting, we don't need doctors.
all he is saying is that it feels "icky" to him (it does to me) but that doesn't change anything (actually cutting a bit off and cooking it, then eating might be fun?) anyway, all he is saying is "i don't like it" cos he has no more grounding than anyone else in the matter. and he didn't answer the question, they never do "what is immoral about that?"
and suddenly free will isn't an issue, he seems to have forgotten all the important bad things are down to god wanting us TO DO WHATEVER WE WANT, he is arguing AGAINST his own position here.
You really suffer from cognitive dissonance
@@LogosTheos "logostheos" cringe larper
First!
thirst!
Bearded Potato.
Tomas forgets that in his worldview "pious" christians imposed their will on women by lighting them up on fire. The question is: Does Tomas Bogardus think that act is moral?
When Thomas is talking about selfish people wanting there own happiness over all others. He does realise Ameican Christians fit that description better than anyone else. Not a good example of human endevours.
Yeah I wonder if any good data showcases that and not the exact opposite when it comes to things like donating time, to charity, adopting more etc.
@@thenero9493 I live in the uk, where 3% of the population are practicing Christians. So yes, I can confirm, atheists do more. Plus here, the government provides housing for the homeless, free health care and the stuff it should provide. Instead of having its population begging for food in the streets. Like we see in nearly all major cities in America. We also prefer not to let religious fanatics adopt children. Rather it is based on the needs of the child here, not the dogmatic worship of an old book that is full of violence, hate and misogynistic bs.
@fucksomeannoyingperson9250 so you don't know what practicing means,,,well done.
thomas is so boneheaded
aren't men with beards funny. i wish i had a tee shirt that advertises i believe in fairies.