First and foremost, I give great credit to you both for being able to handle your excellent post crash investigation knowing emotionally how you both must feel. I’ve been flying RC since the early 1980s, and if you’re at the controls, even when the airplane gives up on you, it’s still hard emotionally; you constantly question whether or not there was something you could’ve done to avoid the crash. But in this case, it was a failure in materials’ quality control on FMS part. As you said, it only takes a 10 cent part to bring down the entire system, and here, it was the control linkage, where on the FMS website, a full set costs just $5.99 (70mm SU-27 Linkage rods, SKU; FMSRZ109). The threads on the linkage rod were defective and did not have the proper full outer diameter. Take a pair of calipers or a micrometer and measure those threads, especially at the rod end, and compare that to a good linkage rod, and you’ll have your answer. The threads’ outer diameter just did not bite deep enough into the ball link. You, as the customer, should never have to take responsibility for your supplier’s quality control issues, so I hope FMS does right by this and immediately sends you a new SU-27. You won’t forget the crash, but a new jet will certainly go far to brighten your day. :-). I wish you the best with that and thank you so much for the videos. I learned something today that I thought I’d never have to worry about, but will now check going forward.
Agreeing with what you've said, but a side note replacing Brian's plane is secondary, it was sent as a test/review item, and should be the reason that FMS investigate QC at the manufacturer's end and possibly opens and inspect all their stock before it goes out, or at least enclose a supplement in the instructions to check/test all control hardware before assembly to avoid a much more costly replacing crashed planes, and possible lawsuits going further! This is something all brands, including the High-end model sellers, are letting defectively made/packaged kits out the door (IE control horns not or barely glued in place like mine ect.)
@@crotaflyingsolo4759 Well said and I do hope FMS (and others) are paying attention to these flights and will do as you state. I have close to 60 RC aircraft in my basement with many high end jets being manufactured by FMS and E-flite; so I would like to feel comfortable that these companies are not just using RUclips to sell RC aircraft, but to also scan for any QC issues.
@@FA-44 I didn't want to mention the other High Enders HH/EF of what I was hinting at, but they need to look at their QC CLOSELY, which is what I'm contributing to a crash or two of my Apprentice!
@@BrianPhillipsRC it always happens that way bro, it's always hindsight... BTW, I still have a E flite SU30 NIB I might let go if I don't get to it in the next season.
After watching a few FMS plane reviews I changed the hardware on my FMS pitts. This story is rare but not unheard of. This won't prevent me from buying FMS because I don't mind replacing the hardware.
Good call. Just double check them. Also, tailevons are the most challenging to keep in check, and to be honest, I just wish I would have noticed when I was building it.
@@BrianPhillipsRC sadly it often takes an incident like this to teach us the hardware to slow down and triple check everything. My Hanger 9 Twist 60 is ab ARF. I check every control surface because I don't trust anyone else to properly glue CA hinges and sure enough one aileron and one half of the elevator came off with a gentle tug.
It was only my fault for not seeing it when I built the plane, but to my defense, it wasn't immediately clear there was a problem when I was setting the stabilator neutral position...so I would have had to screw the ball link end off to see the TAPER on the rod to have a clue...which I didn't do ;( Oh well, we are blessed in the arena of RC, and so glad it happened to me, and not to one of our followers ;)
I used to flly rc aircraft when i was stationed in germany. Just recently getting back into it. i bought a few cheap 2ch beginner planes to get used to it again and then bought the arrow prodigy 1400mm. Havent flown it yet since in in canada and its getting colder out so may have to wait till spring lol. Love watching all your videos from the trainer planes to the j-11 cause i love to see you build them. keep up the great work and bravo to your camera crew lol
Gotta get back in the air. It's getting so much better - models look almost like what we built out of plastic when I was growing up, only you're flying them RC now!!! Only problem I'm having now is I need an outbuilding for storage!!!
I absolutely love how well you take it when you have a crash. I keep coming back to your great videos and your awesome attitude. Handled great. And let's give it up for the camera crew!!! Kept it all in frame !
Thank you, but also keep in mind, we usually pause it so I can let out the mean stuff for a few seconds, then we come back with our composure. It is tough to lose a plane, especially an AWESOME plane ;) I hope I haven't "outted" myself too much, but to be honest, I love flying, and have come to realize it's somewhat a part of the hobby, but I try to make it a smaller and smaller part of the hobby ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC you have a great sense of humour and perspective. Might want to get your Camera Crew/ Co-Pilot more involved in QC the Airplanes and let her do the Pre-flight checks that Maintenance may have missed! She doesn’t say much on camera, but when she does, she is spot on. I just bought a FMS F16 70mm based on your reviews - I am going to check everything carefully before Maiden flight and make a note to do so going forward. Thanks for the GREAT work you both do. Am learning a lot watching and listening to your videos on assembly, flying. Love the buried power lines! When are the kids going to fly and get their own Channel?
tell the mechanic to layoff the vodka!!! also pilot are always responsible throughout the flight process: preflight check including the linkages. pilots have the final say go/no go checks. I always say take off is optional and landing is not. I know it easy to judge but teach everyone personal responsibility and safety
Hi Brian. I don't own this jet, but I happened upon the crash and autopsy of your J7 test product. It's always a sad moment when a beautiful plane goes down, but your excellent review of the specific cause was a great lesson of awareness for others to know that flaws do exist in RC products and the importance of looking over the wreckage after a smash up for clues and answers, and in your case it was a ten cent part. Once again, both you and Megan have impressed me with your channel and that's why I watch and of course buy. My basement is starting to look a lot like a Phillip's basement, just ask my wife.
I had a similar issue on my EFlite Commander, where i noticed on the ground my elevator pushrod tail-end would not reduce its length anymore when it kept twisting freely. Ended up CA-gluing the plastic with the metal, then re-mounted the servo arm to fix the elevator center position instead.
I've never seen one so tapered as this one, but I could have caught it if I knew to check on it, so hopefully we can help someone catch this on their SU27 or J11 - both planes are AMAZING, so I feel bad that we just had to showcase an otherwise perfect plane with just a terrible outcome ;/
Thanks Neil! Check you rod, or have someone help you check it - LOL ;) P.S. Are you also a PPG'er ? Or do you just Paraglide??? Watched your short - that would be a SWEEEEEEEEEET place to slope soar RC too!!!
Crash sucks, but this really is a manufacturer issue. I had a pushing rod missing central part of the thread. It's either X-Fly Su27 or freewing banshee, but for now they flies good. FMS really owes you a new fuselage. Hopefully they will have full parts support for this aircraft soon.
Nice! She was sooo close to plopping down on the road...which would have been fine, but I have her back together now, and thing the damage is less noticeable that you'd expect ;)
something else to add onto checklist before flying....during build! sorry Brian...thanks for the video... I appreciate your honesty...hey Megan! keep flying...🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
Hey, I just set up this jet and my taileron was stuck during flight check. The issue: one of the tailerons had paint over the screw. The paint was catching on the unpainted screw on the fuselage. I peeled the paint off the screw and pushed the taileron a smidge from the fuselage and no issue. I have the SU-27 and it was my left taileron
😂😂😂”shibity-ballzs!😂😂😂😂 I rewatched that and you saying that like 15 times to the point I was laughing out loud. Great video as always Brian. Keep them coming.
yeah, but when the tailevon is spinning free....kinda makes the hammerhead short lived - LOL ;) She's actually back in one piece - believe it or not ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC looking forward to round 2 Brian! I could see the frustration and disappointment in the video. But u love that J11!! Did FMS come back to you about how they'll handle this?
Another great honest review. Did you check the J11 threads by chance? This may be a nieve question, but I wonder if the twins could be set up with separate batteries to help keep the puff down?
@@BrianPhillipsRC I would glue those push rods with CA for good if I were you. You may sooner loose aircraft itself than ever need to replace those so better have those reliable.
I noticed your Right Knob is set about in the middle. Do you have AS3X set to 1X? If so, then you need to turn the Right Knob all the way up to achieve 1X. Right now you have AS3X set to about .5. If you set AS3X set to 2X, then setting the Right Knob to the middle position will give you 1X.
No doubt it was caused by the defective part. With this NTSB info recorded on video, do you have leverage to go back to the supplier for a non argument full replacement?
@@BrianPhillipsRC This is definitely a good find for both the supplier and consumer. Who would have thought to check these low cost things. I'm thinking it would be a good idea for the supplier to check inventory and send out a notification to limit high dollar losses.
FMS is on a roll, I love that J-11. I need to grab a Rafale first but the J-11 is coming to my Hanger as well, although the SU27 may be a better choice because of the color. Here in the PNW it's Grey allot of the time. How is FMS getting the great sound out of their EDF Jets, it's like Vudu magic. Odds are FMS uses the same part for both planes so checking that part is a must on both
In the video it looks like it rolled to the left. The left elevator link came off, so it should have rolled to the right when pulling elevator. Not quite sure what could have malfunctioned. When pulling hard elevator it is possible that you had a high speed stall and subsequent spin left. The Su-27 and the mig-29 are stall critical at low speed high angle of attack. Great video!
Wait a minute...if the LEFT tailevon goes full up (meaning the front tip was down, and the back edge was up...) which made the plane roll very hard LEFT. The SU27 was diving toward US. I just re-watched it to refresh my memory. It was a very hard LEFT roll.
Inherited the SU27 from an estate. It has the AR636B receiver installed. Did a bind with my DX8-2 trans and everything works great. I'm new to AS3X and set up is a bit of a mystery. Any tips getting the stabilization operational?
If it's an AR636B you have to Bind it correctly to activate AS3X and SAFE. It's a different setup than what you're watching here, if you're watching about this FMS offering. The Eflite offering is different, and it's SU30 if it's the Eflite offering...or at least I thought so. This FMS is J-11 and SU27, but the Eflite was an SU30, I thought.
It's been a while since I had to do this OLDER procedure, so don't want to share the instructions wrong. I believe you plug in the Bind Plug, then power up, and then pull out the bind plug, THEN BIND...and should be activated.
1. The M3 x 20mm machine screws for the wing on my new 80mm FMS BAE Hawk started slipping as I tightened them. When I looked closely at them, I found that they had almost no threads. I replaced them with screws I'd ordered from RTL Fasteners. 2. What are you going to do when all those Lipos catch fire on the counter?
1) Glad to hear you had a solution for that issue. We didn't have that particular problem, but glad you caught yours in time. RTL is awesome! 2) Why would you just assume they'll catch on fire? No doubt that would be a big problem!!!! ...but I also have a gas tank on my deck that could blow up, two water heaters in the basement that could blow up, as well as about 4 vehicles in our garage that could do the same...and a fire breathing stove that could get left on without igniting and blow up the whole house...my point is, why would you assume they'll burn? We have precautions in place to make for a better chance of our safe exit, and also a means to fight ABC fire in three places around this area so we can get to them fast, if we're charging and something goes badly. Keep in mind, we're supposed to charge while we're in the area, and we do. Also, better quality equipment helps to keep us safe. Admittedly, it's not a 100% guarantee of safety, since things fail, but again, I'm not going to curl up in a ball in the basement and "be safe" - we'll take necessary precautions and live a life in a balanced way. We don't cower in fear, we prepare, and live. I suppose you had some amazing idea that would mitigate our risk to zero? If so, please do share.
@@BrianPhillipsRC I've been keeping my Lipos in the 8.5x6.5x6 inch bags. From what I've seen, if one battery bursts into flames, the rest will soon follow. So, I ordered a flammable storage cabinet to keep my Lipos in when not is use. It won't keep the smoke in, but hopefully, the double walls with 1-1/2 space between will keep the flames from getting out.
First off I don't fly at all but your video was great. All the technical looks into the jet said a lot . The crash was always a bad thing. I really like how you broke it all down to find the problem, & I also agree. I would measure all rods & take apart to make sure there's no problem. Thanks for video.
Damn . Bummer city! I’d be pissed . So pissed I’d think twice about buying another. Shit happens yes but for the price of these jets . That A I can’t buy on my budget . If I did I’d be tossing my lunch or dinner I’d be so sick. $$$$ money down the toilet due to A10. Cent part. Sorry to see it happen to you. Chin up you have plenty more to fly and a better China 🇨🇳 made copy. Lol
Bill - yep, but I'm so glad it happened to me, and not someone else, and on camera for good feedback to FMS. They've already been in touch with us to help get things sorted out in engineering.
Sure, but not sure what we'll do about it, since we have so many planes already. FMS is aware of the issue and working hard to re-double their efforts to avoid this again for another customer ;)
Happy New Year! Great reviews and feedback and sorry to see the crash Brian but Im not completely surprised. FMS make some great looking planes but in my limited experience with FMS (I only have the 800mm P51 Big Beautiful Doll), the elevator linkage had a similar tapered thread and pulled out causing a crash. Thankfully minimal damage and once I had reset the elevator a dab of hot glue now maintains the linkage. However I also had an issue with the Reflex unit malfunctioning which ultimately caused the plane to be written off. I have to say FMS were great and replaced the plane and the new Reflex unit works great but the elevator rod had exactly the same issue!! I am a loyal Eflite customer and have a few models which started with the Spitfire XIV which I love (but would not have had the confidence to set up without the quality instruction from your videos) and this brand gives alot of confidence due to reliable build quality (apart from the occasional bad servo) and quality of the SAFE system but I would love to invest in some of the bigger FMS models. I resist the urge though as these are not cheap purchases and I certainly cannot risk losing a plane through such a silly thing as a linkage being shoddily made. If FMS were to invest in consistently better quality linkages this would surely improve their reliability and I for one would be buying them. I'm sure there are alot of us out there that would also buy them so FMS would surely profit from a little extra investment. I'm still not sold on the Reflex system though and would swop out for a SAFE receiver (now we have forward programming) as I trust these implicitly!
Great model. I agree with your analysis Brian. It happens and you actually controlled her nicely even without a major surface functioning. Fix her up and modify her to be a twin battery version.
So sad about that mishap with the Su-27. It really is a gorgeous EDF. I managed to snag one of the last eFlite Su-30's earlier this year and absolutely love flying it. The FMS Su27/J11 are the same plane as the eFlite Su-30. Personally I only fly it with 6000 or 6200 packs (60C -120C) for the extra margin on battery. 3.5min is my timer with 30 sec reserve. I land with about 30% left. RESPECT THE TIMER with this plane. I also now only fly with the ordinance on as I think it does look better with it. Additionally I thought flaperons/thrust reverse would be needed because my first landings used up A LOT of runway on rollout (fortunately I fly it at a local airport and have a long enough landing/takeoff distance). I have since learned how to slow her down with high alpha and power so landings are much less rollout and slower. I also custom painted the exhaust/engine panels to add various other metal shades and discoloration that you see on the full size plane. Looks so much better. If you want I can send you some pics. Pilots need to know this plane is heavy, it has power but if you fly it like a heavy plane and manage your energy and throttle you will have great success. Don't get it too tight a turn at slow speeds or it will bite you. I am disappointed at the price point FMS has for this plane, considering you were able to get the eFlite one for about $100 less and it was BNF. I get rising costs and all but still this one is a bit more for a PNP than I would expect. 'm also not thrilled with FMS' marketing ploy with this saying it is 'limited production', it seems they are creating artificial scarcity and demand. They are already sold out but then I saw they only had like 10 of each available. That seems strange and not cost effective. I'm not a fan of manufacturers that use this type of marketing to 'scare' customers into an urgency in buying now because of limited stock and no potential future stock, especially on something this expensive. I'd love to pick up another one to have as a spare but that price point is just a bit much right now.
I think they're just having trouble keeping up with production demands...just ask Horizon Hobby - seriously, FMS can't keep up with FMS! Great plane, but agree, for this price point, BNF would be nice...or at least Reflex V2 so we can use a cheaper Rx...BUT I FAR prefer SAFE/AS3X over Reflex on a high quality plane like this between you and me.
20:40 The plane and battery is big and heavy. If you pull up with 90 degree angle when full speed will damage the elevator parts. Can't doing this high risk movement until you upgrade with stronger parts
Great review Brian and Camera Crew!! Hate to see something like this, but this is what helps us all out when these problems are found by influencers. Thanks for all the work you out in to this awesome hobby guys!!👊🏼👊🏼
Thank you Jeff! Glad we could "take one for the team" on this one ;) LOL But seriously, what a looker of a plane!!! Wish we had a beautiful, greasy landing, in stead of a crash, but to be honest, we all got a kick out of watching me suffer, as usual - still less painful than a Dynam - LOL LOL LOL ;)
Whoaaa, Shhh-Shibatbee Balls? At 20:48 Was Hilarious & Classic... Where Do You Come Up With These New Terms? To Much Google Translating Chinese Into English??? 🤣🤣🤣😁😎
I always add a dab of Hysol epoxy where the metal thread of the control rod joins the ball joint. Never lost one like that since adopting this practice.
You almost saved it there. That sucks. That’s why I gave up planes and choppers. It’s not if but when they’ll crash. I stick to boats and cars. Your investigation does seem to point to that faulty thread. I’ll just enjoy watching you enjoy flying! Good luck!
Awesome flights besides the crash, that I really don't think was your fault. But I was wondering how much bigger are these twin 70 mm compared to a single 70mm jet ?? Thanks!
Thanks! The single 70mm EDF's like the Eflite F-16 70mm is about 1/2 the size, or maybe 3/5 the size of this plane. These are some BIG planes... and they look so good flying!
This may not be related to this awesome video but would you know how to get nx-8 firmware 3.06? Maybe you have it? Spektrum has 2 new updates but they are public beta and I do not like to have them imstalled just yet and can not see the 3.06 anymore on their website...
Awesome video! You are right, crashes are part of the hobby. I’ve done that a few times myself. I love that large scale Trojan setting in the background. I have a couple in the same scale as your smaller one back there, but I’ve always wanted to get a larger scale and fly it. Do they fly similar to the smaller scale? i’m sure you have a video on that one, I’m gonna have to find it and watch it. Keep up the good work. I enjoy your channel.
The Carbon Z T-28 is AMAZING - you need it, I can tell!!! It's one of my favorite planes, but it is HUGE, so keep that in mind. bprc.me/T28 It flies just like it's little sister, the 1.2m, but even slower, if you want, which I LOVE! It's got so much presence in the air, and will make you drool!
That's why I like building kits, I have seen linkage rods with almost no threads or no thread brand new in a bag. Now you have to check all linkage on every model. Oh No hahaha
What was the control surface that was stuck that caused the crash? - i've heard the phrase a few time on a couple videos but i'm unsure as to what they are?
Once your NX radio is all configured to your home wifi network doing updates is super easy, no need to visit the website. Just FYI the october update was super buggy, and there is a new one thats supposed to fix it, but there are still people saying there are problems. If I hadnt done a recent update I would wait and see if there is another version coming.
yes, 3.08.BP is out, and I have it installed now, but I didn't have too many issues with the Screens Of Warning - they always disappeared for me, but would have been COOL, only why not just say what the warning MEANS??? And or just make a BANNER that's colored, rather than taking up the WHOLE screen.
Sad to see a beautiful plane go down. I think you found your Roll rate problem. I turn the plane over and check your Elronds. See if you were adjusting for the elevator problem.
Yeah the links are stripped, I had that on the T28 800 they must have a bad batch of them. I will have to let Meave know, thanks for sharing Brian. My Su should be here Thursday
Good post crash analysis. Also I would wager there is a lot more force on that surface than would be on a regular small aileron or elevator because it’s so much larger. Love the blue jet hope to have one one day!
They are taking care of us, absolutely ;) We have been fortunate to work with a few really great companies, and we've only been left high and dry a couple times, and that with companies we just kinda don't work with anymore... FMS is doing an amazing job, and want to really grow the hobby, and they're making strides in the development of these beauties. We're honored to be a small part of helping to bring these amazing aircraft to market!!!! Thank you for your quesiton, and for being a part of our amazing experience!
my twin 70 fms a10 is not a pack puffer but the same packs in the SU 30, puffed them. both pull 120amps on the ground. the su30, assume same for this su27, I think is an airflow/heat issue. that battery bay offers no where for heat to escape.
Just curious what you think would have happened if you flipped on SAFE right before that crash. With only one elevator working it would roll as it did (but also climb) if you pulled back on the right stick but SAFE could use the ailerons much faster than a human to counteract the roll. Do you think it could have saved it?
My guess by reviewing the crash, it appears to me your left aileron stuck up and I believe the elevator broke on the first time you hit the ground the plane hit before you got it back up but with half an elevator and a stuck left aileron caused a left roll leading to the final crash.
We studied the footage quite a bit...the left tailevon was beyond the level we could have controlled it with the servo, thus I believe the linkage ripped out...plus at the end when I show how easy it pulled out, this confirmed it for us. At FIRST, I thought maybe it stuck, but I was mistaken... Watch again, and slow, and you'll see the left side go almost perpendicular to the fuse. I could 100% tell I had lost control, and you heard me say something silly like "Shibity-ballz" or some such thing...this is when I was totally surprised and trying to figure out how I was going to handle the situation. In hinds sight, I wish I would have tried to belly land her on the road, but then I bet the damage would have been even worse... either way - sucks, but she's actually in one piece again...many small pieces back together into one almost perfect (from 10 feet) looking plane!!!
Great video and crash investigation. FMS seems to owe you a plane on this one. Or the company that manufactures the control rod. It’s obvious what the malfunction was. Also as you had to keep trimming during the flight. My guess was the failure was already starting to happen causing the need to trim. Thank you for the extra step to determine what happened in this situation. So we now know it was not pilot error. That Brian Phillips has been cleared of any wrongdoing and cleared for flight status. Get him back in the air. 😂 Awesome plane, review, investigation and video Sir.
It was a defect for sure. FMS was on the email ASAP when they saw it asking for as much information we could share so they could help get this all corrected, but as you know, we do so many reviews, and have a great working relationship with FMS, among others, and know they would take care of us had we asked ;)
just for another check - swap the shafts on the ball joints. It's pretty clear that there are many "missing" threads on the bad shaft... the same effect should be evident with the bad shaft in the opposite, ball connector.
yes. The other three were good too - then I got another one off another crashed plane...and it was like - 100% more thread on the shaft. This type of issue is hard to catch, but I did eventually catch it - LOL ;) ;(
We worked with the power company for 7+ Months and them paid them another $24,263 to relocate them underground. This was after paying our $25,000 share of the $35,000 to put the poles down the road (the neighbor up the road paid the rest of the $10,000). The power company refused to bid underground service, initially, but the board of utilities claimed "We had no standing" for which to have a complaint...which was that they broke "tariff" (tariff - rules for protected monopolies), and therefore the could just charge us full rate to do the work, even though they failed to bid the right project, claiming it was more or less impossible. Life lesson, and an expensive one. Don't take their word for it. MAKE them put it in writing. Well, at least they're buried now....and besides, what's $25K between "friends" - LOL / cry.
Bummer, personally I always glue that clevis end tip to the rod once a jet is set up for safety and to help prevent what just happened. The glue will break loose if you use pliers to twist off the clevis.
Having an uncorrectable roll, that’s EXACTLY what happened on my E-Flite F-18 Blue Angel (minus the pushrod failure), albeit right from takeoff. Nice attempted recovery, almost looked like you were gonna pancake it on the road for a second (which would’ve caused very limited damage actually.)
Great video as always brian 👍 crashed my su 27 on 5th flight. Had full power out, zero control and it glided off into a field . Even the lights went out. Hopefully fms will replace the plane . Was gutted such an amazing plane, bit of a pain to get off grass though
beautiful jets! i would love to own a SU-27 one day, but the thing i dont understand is, why fly this on a main road? and not on a specialized flying field? is there no flying club nearby? sorry for the crash :/
Are you going to do a repair video + a reflight of the plane? Should of ditched it pronto in the street & perhaps would have saved the nose but would of had abrasions on the plane's belly and the ordinances broken off to boot..
100% I agree...should have plopped her on the belly, but thought she was "BACK" under control, and I thought I could fly her home ;( As for repair - not on video...but it is REPAIRED ;) ...we'll do a remaiden.
feel bad on the lost su27, just having a bad part on linkage thread and the plane was lost. I face same issue like these past few month. I made a quick decision to emergency land after gain some control. Even the damage is minimal but still i feel very bad on small crack and dent.😭😭😭.
I could have laid her down on the pavement, but honestly thought I had regained control...once the plane slowed, and entered ground effect, the elevator relaxed which was what made me think I was back in control. Still a great 2.5 minutes - LOL ;)
yes, stabilators speaks to the FULL surface acting as a stabilizer AND an elevator, but they can also act as AILERONS too, so sometimes they can be called "tailerons" or "tailevators" - I hate having to distinguish between the nomenclature, because you can setup the plane to have then function as either. I think of it either or in this case, but you are correct in calling them stabilators.
All these edf's like this, talking about the more expensive Edf's seem to have the same problem when they crash... I.e my rafale, the nose just broke off, and continues to do that.. I think my last flight on it had myself a gear failure, the landing gear mount in the foam gave way, and on the other side, the bearing on the retract go pushed up.. which it bounced and hit some gravel/mud. I will repair it, but These jets based from Europe just seem hard to fly in general and are not really forgiving.
I love how you didn't cuss even when it was going down. You have more composure than I do.
I'd be cussing up a storm.
First and foremost, I give great credit to you both for being able to handle your excellent post crash investigation knowing emotionally how you both must feel. I’ve been flying RC since the early 1980s, and if you’re at the controls, even when the airplane gives up on you, it’s still hard emotionally; you constantly question whether or not there was something you could’ve done to avoid the crash. But in this case, it was a failure in materials’ quality control on FMS part. As you said, it only takes a 10 cent part to bring down the entire system, and here, it was the control linkage, where on the FMS website, a full set costs just $5.99 (70mm SU-27 Linkage rods, SKU; FMSRZ109). The threads on the linkage rod were defective and did not have the proper full outer diameter. Take a pair of calipers or a micrometer and measure those threads, especially at the rod end, and compare that to a good linkage rod, and you’ll have your answer. The threads’ outer diameter just did not bite deep enough into the ball link. You, as the customer, should never have to take responsibility for your supplier’s quality control issues, so I hope FMS does right by this and immediately sends you a new SU-27. You won’t forget the crash, but a new jet will certainly go far to brighten your day. :-). I wish you the best with that and thank you so much for the videos. I learned something today that I thought I’d never have to worry about, but will now check going forward.
Agreeing with what you've said, but a side note replacing Brian's plane is secondary, it was sent as a test/review item, and should be the reason that FMS investigate QC at the manufacturer's end and possibly opens and inspect all their stock before it goes out, or at least enclose a supplement in the instructions to check/test all control hardware before assembly to avoid a much more costly replacing crashed planes, and possible lawsuits going further! This is something all brands, including the High-end model sellers, are letting defectively made/packaged kits out the door (IE control horns not or barely glued in place like mine ect.)
@@crotaflyingsolo4759 Well said and I do hope FMS (and others) are paying attention to these flights and will do as you state. I have close to 60 RC aircraft in my basement with many high end jets being manufactured by FMS and E-flite; so I would like to feel comfortable that these companies are not just using RUclips to sell RC aircraft, but to also scan for any QC issues.
@@FA-44 I didn't want to mention the other High Enders HH/EF of what I was hinting at, but they need to look at their QC CLOSELY, which is what I'm contributing to a crash or two of my Apprentice!
If you look back, you had to keep trimming it, which means it was slowly pulling out as you were flying.
Excellent point!
great point. at least it happened away from them. should check those linkages on my SU30 taileron set up.
Very good theory 👌
I agree this was what I thought too, but during the flight, I had no idea.
@@BrianPhillipsRC it always happens that way bro, it's always hindsight... BTW, I still have a E flite SU30 NIB I might let go if I don't get to it in the next season.
After watching a few FMS plane reviews I changed the hardware on my FMS pitts. This story is rare but not unheard of. This won't prevent me from buying FMS because I don't mind replacing the hardware.
Good call. Just double check them. Also, tailevons are the most challenging to keep in check, and to be honest, I just wish I would have noticed when I was building it.
@@BrianPhillipsRC sadly it often takes an incident like this to teach us the hardware to slow down and triple check everything. My Hanger 9 Twist 60 is ab ARF. I check every control surface because I don't trust anyone else to properly glue CA hinges and sure enough one aileron and one half of the elevator came off with a gentle tug.
20:36 "wait until the last second to pull out"
Thats the only way to live life on the edge 😉
Hahahaha 😆!
I'm glad someone caught that ;) LOL
I don't know what to say. You and the camera crew are the best in the game Aloha. My brother just love you guys
Oh man that SU27 looks SO GOOD
Sure did ;) LOL!!!
Sad loss Brian, your crash analysis is just about right.
Definitely not your fault 😉
It was only my fault for not seeing it when I built the plane, but to my defense, it wasn't immediately clear there was a problem when I was setting the stabilator neutral position...so I would have had to screw the ball link end off to see the TAPER on the rod to have a clue...which I didn't do ;(
Oh well, we are blessed in the arena of RC, and so glad it happened to me, and not to one of our followers ;)
if i get a edf jet at some point what do i do to not have failers on the plane
I used to flly rc aircraft when i was stationed in germany. Just recently getting back into it. i bought a few cheap 2ch beginner planes to get used to it again and then bought the arrow prodigy 1400mm. Havent flown it yet since in in canada and its getting colder out so may have to wait till spring lol. Love watching all your videos from the trainer planes to the j-11 cause i love to see you build them. keep up the great work and bravo to your camera crew lol
Gotta get back in the air. It's getting so much better - models look almost like what we built out of plastic when I was growing up, only you're flying them RC now!!! Only problem I'm having now is I need an outbuilding for storage!!!
Germans have amazing models, custom built. I went once to an RC show and I was shocked to see so many beautiful and quite $$$ birds.
I absolutely love how well you take it when you have a crash. I keep coming back to your great videos and your awesome attitude. Handled great. And let's give it up for the camera crew!!! Kept it all in frame !
Thank you, but also keep in mind, we usually pause it so I can let out the mean stuff for a few seconds, then we come back with our composure. It is tough to lose a plane, especially an AWESOME plane ;)
I hope I haven't "outted" myself too much, but to be honest, I love flying, and have come to realize it's somewhat a part of the hobby, but I try to make it a smaller and smaller part of the hobby ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC you have a great sense of humour and perspective. Might want to get your Camera Crew/ Co-Pilot more involved in QC the Airplanes and let her do the Pre-flight checks that Maintenance may have missed! She doesn’t say much on camera, but when she does, she is spot on.
I just bought a FMS F16 70mm based on your reviews - I am going to check everything carefully before Maiden flight and make a note to do so going forward.
Thanks for the GREAT work you both do. Am learning a lot watching and listening to your videos on assembly, flying. Love the buried power lines!
When are the kids going to fly and get their own Channel?
tell the mechanic to layoff the vodka!!! also pilot are always responsible throughout the flight process: preflight check including the linkages. pilots have the final say go/no go checks. I always say take off is optional and landing is not. I know it easy to judge but teach everyone personal responsibility and safety
Hi Brian. I don't own this jet, but I happened upon the crash and autopsy of your J7 test product. It's always a sad moment when a beautiful plane goes down, but your excellent review of the specific cause was a great lesson of awareness for others to know that flaws do exist in RC products and the importance of looking over the wreckage after a smash up for clues and answers, and in your case it was a ten cent part. Once again, both you and Megan have impressed me with your channel and that's why I watch and of course buy. My basement is starting to look a lot like a Phillip's basement, just ask my wife.
I had a similar issue on my EFlite Commander, where i noticed on the ground my elevator pushrod tail-end would not reduce its length anymore when it kept twisting freely. Ended up CA-gluing the plastic with the metal, then re-mounted the servo arm to fix the elevator center position instead.
I've never seen one so tapered as this one, but I could have caught it if I knew to check on it, so hopefully we can help someone catch this on their SU27 or J11 - both planes are AMAZING, so I feel bad that we just had to showcase an otherwise perfect plane with just a terrible outcome ;/
Thanks Brian . Great analysis. I just ordered one so thanks for the heads up- I’ll probably change mine out for higher quality links
Thanks Neil! Check you rod, or have someone help you check it - LOL ;)
P.S. Are you also a PPG'er ? Or do you just Paraglide??? Watched your short - that would be a SWEEEEEEEEEET place to slope soar RC too!!!
Crash sucks, but this really is a manufacturer issue. I had a pushing rod missing central part of the thread. It's either X-Fly Su27 or freewing banshee, but for now they flies good. FMS really owes you a new fuselage. Hopefully they will have full parts support for this aircraft soon.
Yeah, it was a defect and FMS will make it right to us ;)
Spent the last week watching the real thing from the Zhuhai airshow in China, I need one of of these, Great vid, cheers!
Very cool!
Been watching the video in 4k from 20:48 onwards, still amazed you kept it in the air so long with those bonkers elevator angles.
Nice! She was sooo close to plopping down on the road...which would have been fine, but I have her back together now, and thing the damage is less noticeable that you'd expect ;)
something else to add onto checklist before flying....during build! sorry Brian...thanks for the video... I appreciate your honesty...hey Megan! keep flying...🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
yes, and she is back in one piece, FYI ;)
Make sure you check you rod, then have your significant other also give it a quick look too ;)
Hey, I just set up this jet and my taileron was stuck during flight check. The issue: one of the tailerons had paint over the screw. The paint was catching on the unpainted screw on the fuselage. I peeled the paint off the screw and pushed the taileron a smidge from the fuselage and no issue. I have the SU-27 and it was my left taileron
I'll triple check mine again.
😂😂😂”shibity-ballzs!😂😂😂😂 I rewatched that and you saying that like 15 times to the point I was laughing out loud. Great video as always Brian. Keep them coming.
Awesome!!!!
That Su27 has some thrust. Just before it crashed it was literally climbing vertically after at being almost stationary, recovering from its fall
yeah, but when the tailevon is spinning free....kinda makes the hammerhead short lived - LOL ;)
She's actually back in one piece - believe it or not ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC looking forward to round 2 Brian! I could see the frustration and disappointment in the video. But u love that J11!! Did FMS come back to you about how they'll handle this?
FINALLY, a plane I could use my 10ch (non-safe) reciever in!
:) Awesome!!!
I'm looking forward to the re-maiden flight 👍
Soon ;)
Another great honest review. Did you check the J11 threads by chance? This may be a nieve question, but I wonder if the twins could be set up with separate batteries to help keep the puff down?
Yes, and they were good. I also used another plane, the Viper 90mm which uses the same rods, and definitely was a bad rod!
@@BrianPhillipsRC I would glue those push rods with CA for good if I were you. You may sooner loose aircraft itself than ever need to replace those so better have those reliable.
I noticed your Right Knob is set about in the middle. Do you have AS3X set to 1X? If so, then you need to turn the Right Knob all the way up to achieve 1X. Right now you have AS3X set to about .5. If you set AS3X set to 2X, then setting the Right Knob to the middle position will give you 1X.
No doubt it was caused by the defective part. With this NTSB info recorded on video, do you have leverage to go back to the supplier for a non argument full replacement?
Yeah, but just glad we could all learn from it. At least we might be able to help someone fix this issue before it causes them to crash their beauty!
@@BrianPhillipsRC This is definitely a good find for both the supplier and consumer. Who would have thought to check these low cost things. I'm thinking it would be a good idea for the supplier to check inventory and send out a notification to limit high dollar losses.
FMS is on a roll, I love that J-11. I need to grab a Rafale first but the J-11 is coming to my Hanger as well, although the SU27 may be a better choice because of the color. Here in the PNW it's Grey allot of the time. How is FMS getting the great sound out of their EDF Jets, it's like Vudu magic. Odds are FMS uses the same part for both planes so checking that part is a must on both
The sound depends on the number and shape of the EDF blades.
@@friendlyreptile9931 the Rafale sounds like no other EDF I have seen
@@New2Kendo Oh sorry, i understood that wrong than. I never heard it so no idea :D
Yes they are! Now they just need to get these back in stock!!!
Excellent video and thank you so much for all.
Our pleasure! Thank YOU!
In the video it looks like it rolled to the left. The left elevator link came off, so it should have rolled to the right when pulling elevator. Not quite sure what could have malfunctioned. When pulling hard elevator it is possible that you had a high speed stall and subsequent spin left. The Su-27 and the mig-29 are stall critical at low speed high angle of attack. Great video!
Wait a minute...if the LEFT tailevon goes full up (meaning the front tip was down, and the back edge was up...) which made the plane roll very hard LEFT. The SU27 was diving toward US. I just re-watched it to refresh my memory. It was a very hard LEFT roll.
FMS should replace the aircraft since defective parts were found.
Those do sound amazing and what an unfortunate experience to have that beauty take a dive.
On the RCINFORMER site, he did a build on the SU-27, he mentioned something similar to the tail wing scrubbing up against the fuselage
yes, I had similar issues with my SU30, but this one was very VERY light contact.
I love the looks of that J-11! Too bad about that crash, but stuff happens.
yes, 100% - love the J11
Great NTSB investigation…. Thanks for taking the time to show us what happened.
100% We all got to learn from it this way. Thanks for watching.
P.S. She's already flying again, and NO, I didn't order a single replacement part
@@BrianPhillipsRC nice!!!!!!
Inherited the SU27 from an estate. It has the AR636B receiver installed. Did a bind with my DX8-2 trans and everything works great. I'm new to AS3X and set up is a bit of a mystery. Any tips getting the stabilization operational?
If it's an AR636B you have to Bind it correctly to activate AS3X and SAFE. It's a different setup than what you're watching here, if you're watching about this FMS offering. The Eflite offering is different, and it's SU30 if it's the Eflite offering...or at least I thought so. This FMS is J-11 and SU27, but the Eflite was an SU30, I thought.
It's been a while since I had to do this OLDER procedure, so don't want to share the instructions wrong. I believe you plug in the Bind Plug, then power up, and then pull out the bind plug, THEN BIND...and should be activated.
1. The M3 x 20mm machine screws for the wing on my new 80mm FMS BAE Hawk started slipping as I tightened them. When I looked closely at them, I found that they had almost no threads. I replaced them with screws I'd ordered from RTL Fasteners.
2. What are you going to do when all those Lipos catch fire on the counter?
1) Glad to hear you had a solution for that issue. We didn't have that particular problem, but glad you caught yours in time. RTL is awesome!
2) Why would you just assume they'll catch on fire? No doubt that would be a big problem!!!! ...but I also have a gas tank on my deck that could blow up, two water heaters in the basement that could blow up, as well as about 4 vehicles in our garage that could do the same...and a fire breathing stove that could get left on without igniting and blow up the whole house...my point is, why would you assume they'll burn? We have precautions in place to make for a better chance of our safe exit, and also a means to fight ABC fire in three places around this area so we can get to them fast, if we're charging and something goes badly. Keep in mind, we're supposed to charge while we're in the area, and we do. Also, better quality equipment helps to keep us safe. Admittedly, it's not a 100% guarantee of safety, since things fail, but again, I'm not going to curl up in a ball in the basement and "be safe" - we'll take necessary precautions and live a life in a balanced way. We don't cower in fear, we prepare, and live.
I suppose you had some amazing idea that would mitigate our risk to zero? If so, please do share.
@@BrianPhillipsRC I've been keeping my Lipos in the 8.5x6.5x6 inch bags. From what I've seen, if one battery bursts into flames, the rest will soon follow. So, I ordered a flammable storage cabinet to keep my Lipos in when not is use. It won't keep the smoke in, but hopefully, the double walls with 1-1/2 space between will keep the flames from getting out.
How did they take off i have a eflight su30 and havent maidened it yet as i am nervous about how it may react on takeoff and landing
Good job Brian on ur discovery of a faulty part
I almost spit out my coffee at "shibbbittyballs" LMAO as far as crash reactions go this was a 10/10
LOL - Glad you didn't ruin your keyboard - LOL
First off I don't fly at all but your video was great. All the technical looks into the jet said a lot . The crash was always a bad thing. I really like how you broke it all down to find the problem, & I also agree. I would measure all rods & take apart to make sure there's no problem. Thanks for video.
Glad you enjoyed the video Steve - just kinda wish you would have enjoyed it for the beautiful, greasy landing, and not a postmortem - LOL ;)
I love your videos so much! You were the one who helped me bind by first RC Plane! (Sport cub s2) Great Video!!❤
Damn . Bummer city! I’d be pissed . So pissed I’d think twice about buying another. Shit happens yes but for the price of these jets . That A I can’t buy on my budget . If I did I’d be tossing my lunch or dinner I’d be so sick. $$$$ money down the toilet due to A10. Cent part. Sorry to see it happen to you. Chin up you have plenty more to fly and a better China 🇨🇳 made copy. Lol
Glad we could be a part of it ShockeWulf190
Bill - yep, but I'm so glad it happened to me, and not someone else, and on camera for good feedback to FMS. They've already been in touch with us to help get things sorted out in engineering.
@@BrianPhillipsRC I hope they replace what's needed to make it new again. So sad to see a beautiful plane explode from a fail piece of plastic 😢
Any warrantee for defective material? Looks like the linkage pulled out just when you pulled up on the stick.
Sure, but not sure what we'll do about it, since we have so many planes already. FMS is aware of the issue and working hard to re-double their efforts to avoid this again for another customer ;)
Happy New Year! Great reviews and feedback and sorry to see the crash Brian but Im not completely surprised. FMS make some great looking planes but in my limited experience with FMS (I only have the 800mm P51 Big Beautiful Doll), the elevator linkage had a similar tapered thread and pulled out causing a crash. Thankfully minimal damage and once I had reset the elevator a dab of hot glue now maintains the linkage. However I also had an issue with the Reflex unit malfunctioning which ultimately caused the plane to be written off. I have to say FMS were great and replaced the plane and the new Reflex unit works great but the elevator rod had exactly the same issue!!
I am a loyal Eflite customer and have a few models which started with the Spitfire XIV which I love (but would not have had the confidence to set up without the quality instruction from your videos) and this brand gives alot of confidence due to reliable build quality (apart from the occasional bad servo) and quality of the SAFE system but I would love to invest in some of the bigger FMS models. I resist the urge though as these are not cheap purchases and I certainly cannot risk losing a plane through such a silly thing as a linkage being shoddily made. If FMS were to invest in consistently better quality linkages this would surely improve their reliability and I for one would be buying them. I'm sure there are alot of us out there that would also buy them so FMS would surely profit from a little extra investment. I'm still not sold on the Reflex system though and would swop out for a SAFE receiver (now we have forward programming) as I trust these implicitly!
Great model. I agree with your analysis Brian. It happens and you actually controlled her nicely even without a major surface functioning. Fix her up and modify her to be a twin battery version.
She's back in one piece ;)
So sad about that mishap with the Su-27. It really is a gorgeous EDF. I managed to snag one of the last eFlite Su-30's earlier this year and absolutely love flying it. The FMS Su27/J11 are the same plane as the eFlite Su-30. Personally I only fly it with 6000 or 6200 packs (60C -120C) for the extra margin on battery. 3.5min is my timer with 30 sec reserve. I land with about 30% left. RESPECT THE TIMER with this plane. I also now only fly with the ordinance on as I think it does look better with it. Additionally I thought flaperons/thrust reverse would be needed because my first landings used up A LOT of runway on rollout (fortunately I fly it at a local airport and have a long enough landing/takeoff distance). I have since learned how to slow her down with high alpha and power so landings are much less rollout and slower. I also custom painted the exhaust/engine panels to add various other metal shades and discoloration that you see on the full size plane. Looks so much better. If you want I can send you some pics.
Pilots need to know this plane is heavy, it has power but if you fly it like a heavy plane and manage your energy and throttle you will have great success. Don't get it too tight a turn at slow speeds or it will bite you.
I am disappointed at the price point FMS has for this plane, considering you were able to get the eFlite one for about $100 less and it was BNF. I get rising costs and all but still this one is a bit more for a PNP than I would expect. 'm also not thrilled with FMS' marketing ploy with this saying it is 'limited production', it seems they are creating artificial scarcity and demand. They are already sold out but then I saw they only had like 10 of each available. That seems strange and not cost effective. I'm not a fan of manufacturers that use this type of marketing to 'scare' customers into an urgency in buying now because of limited stock and no potential future stock, especially on something this expensive. I'd love to pick up another one to have as a spare but that price point is just a bit much right now.
I think they're just having trouble keeping up with production demands...just ask Horizon Hobby - seriously, FMS can't keep up with FMS!
Great plane, but agree, for this price point, BNF would be nice...or at least Reflex V2 so we can use a cheaper Rx...BUT I FAR prefer SAFE/AS3X over Reflex on a high quality plane like this between you and me.
Is the su 27 any different than the eflite su 30? Esc or motors different? Or just same plane different paint. Thank you!
YES, I thought it was basically the same, but different plane, different body...SUPER similar, but different plane.
20:40 The plane and battery is big and heavy. If you pull up with 90 degree angle when full speed will damage the elevator parts. Can't doing this high risk movement until you upgrade with stronger parts
Thank you for your video Brian. I'm going to replace the linkages with dubro linkages
Great review Brian and Camera Crew!! Hate to see something like this, but this is what helps us all out when these problems are found by influencers. Thanks for all the work you out in to this awesome hobby guys!!👊🏼👊🏼
Thank you Jeff! Glad we could "take one for the team" on this one ;) LOL But seriously, what a looker of a plane!!! Wish we had a beautiful, greasy landing, in stead of a crash, but to be honest, we all got a kick out of watching me suffer, as usual - still less painful than a Dynam - LOL LOL LOL ;)
very cool model and I really like it friends, continue and greetings from Indonesia
Thank you very much!
Whoaaa, Shhh-Shibatbee Balls? At 20:48 Was Hilarious & Classic... Where Do You Come Up With These New Terms? To Much Google Translating Chinese Into English??? 🤣🤣🤣😁😎
LOL
fantastic plane , Strange how you did not notice the poor threads when you assembled the model.
I always add a dab of Hysol epoxy where the metal thread of the control rod joins the ball joint. Never lost one like that since adopting this practice.
You almost saved it there. That sucks. That’s why I gave up planes and choppers. It’s not if but when they’ll crash. I stick to boats and cars. Your investigation does seem to point to that faulty thread. I’ll just enjoy watching you enjoy flying! Good luck!
Thanks, and yes, but wish would get back into plane ;)
Did you make that IC5 to IC3 adapter for the tester? I can't find one.
IC3 to IC5 4" Adapter bit.ly/3X3nK8d
Awesome flights besides the crash, that I really don't think was your fault. But I was wondering how much bigger are these twin 70 mm compared to a single 70mm jet ?? Thanks!
Thanks! The single 70mm EDF's like the Eflite F-16 70mm is about 1/2 the size, or maybe 3/5 the size of this plane. These are some BIG planes... and they look so good flying!
@@BrianPhillipsRC awesome! I think I'm sold on the SU-27, does the j-11 fly any different from the SU-27?
This may not be related to this awesome video but would you know how to get nx-8 firmware 3.06? Maybe you have it? Spektrum has 2 new updates but they are public beta and I do not like to have them imstalled just yet and can not see the 3.06 anymore on their website...
Is this the exact same size as the eflite su30. And is the foam the same as the eflite? Is it just a copy of same? Thanks
nope, it's super similar though. The shape of the plane is different. I didn't realize it at the time, but it IS different.
Awesome video! You are right, crashes are part of the hobby. I’ve done that a few times myself. I love that large scale Trojan setting in the background. I have a couple in the same scale as your smaller one back there, but I’ve always wanted to get a larger scale and fly it. Do they fly similar to the smaller scale? i’m sure you have a video on that one, I’m gonna have to find it and watch it. Keep up the good work. I enjoy your channel.
The Carbon Z T-28 is AMAZING - you need it, I can tell!!! It's one of my favorite planes, but it is HUGE, so keep that in mind.
bprc.me/T28
It flies just like it's little sister, the 1.2m, but even slower, if you want, which I LOVE! It's got so much presence in the air, and will make you drool!
That's why I like building kits, I have seen linkage rods with almost no threads or no thread brand new in a bag. Now you have to check all linkage on every model. Oh No hahaha
It was a fluke. I wish it hadn't been so devastating, or that I would have caught it. Oh well, she flies again ;)
What was the control surface that was stuck that caused the crash? - i've heard the phrase a few time on a couple videos but i'm unsure as to what they are?
Once your NX radio is all configured to your home wifi network doing updates is super easy, no need to visit the website. Just FYI the october update was super buggy, and there is a new one thats supposed to fix it, but there are still people saying there are problems. If I hadnt done a recent update I would wait and see if there is another version coming.
yes, 3.08.BP is out, and I have it installed now, but I didn't have too many issues with the Screens Of Warning - they always disappeared for me, but would have been COOL, only why not just say what the warning MEANS??? And or just make a BANNER that's colored, rather than taking up the WHOLE screen.
@@BrianPhillipsRC Their UI team isnt very good.
Sad to see a beautiful plane go down. I think you found your Roll rate problem. I turn the plane over and check your Elronds. See if you were adjusting for the elevator problem.
They were undamaged - LOL - just the rod ;( - oh well, she's back in one piece, but about 1//2 tube of mucilage heavier!!!
Love the new runway. You almost had that! Foam Tac time.
Yeah, I used 1/2 a bottle of Mucilage on it ;) She's less pretty, but in one piece again ;)
When is the remaiden of the su-27? I've flown my j-11 and su-27. Love both of em!
We filmed it the other night, and it's uploaded, but won't publish for a bit. It was a GREAT flight ;)
@@BrianPhillipsRC sweet! Looking forward to seeing your repair.
Excellent video. Love the ntsb investigation. 👍🏻🤓✌️
Inspection required on the j 11
yes
Yeah the links are stripped, I had that on the T28 800 they must have a bad batch of them. I will have to let Meave know, thanks for sharing Brian. My Su should be here Thursday
it was, and hope others might catch theirs before it pulls out. LOVE the planes though!!! Wish I would have been able to save her.
Good post crash analysis. Also I would wager there is a lot more force on that surface than would be on a regular small aileron or elevator because it’s so much larger. Love the blue jet hope to have one one day!
yes, but what a bummmmmmmmmer ;) She's flown again, fyi...and she has a new twin sister, but much hotter - no broken nose, and WAY lighter - LOL ;)
Would this be a good 3rd or 2nd jet ?
maybe....it's a handful
So funny, I was about to comment that you forgot to use the air brake and then all of a sudden you said I forgot to use the airbrake 😂😂😂😂
LOL - Would have loved to use it ;) LOL
Great video Brian, thank you! I was wondering if you received any warranty from FMS? It is clear you got a faulty part.
They are taking care of us, absolutely ;) We have been fortunate to work with a few really great companies, and we've only been left high and dry a couple times, and that with companies we just kinda don't work with anymore...
FMS is doing an amazing job, and want to really grow the hobby, and they're making strides in the development of these beauties. We're honored to be a small part of helping to bring these amazing aircraft to market!!!!
Thank you for your quesiton, and for being a part of our amazing experience!
Great job, thank you guys.
you're welcome ;)
my twin 70 fms a10 is not a pack puffer but the same packs in the SU 30, puffed them. both pull 120amps on the ground. the su30, assume same for this su27, I think is an airflow/heat issue. that battery bay offers no where for heat to escape.
We were really happy to report the pack was not destroyed by puffing, OR from nose dive - LOL ;)
Just curious what you think would have happened if you flipped on SAFE right before that crash. With only one elevator working it would roll as it did (but also climb) if you pulled back on the right stick but SAFE could use the ailerons much faster than a human to counteract the roll. Do you think it could have saved it?
Brian do you have a place to buy J11 that's in stock? FMS is out of stock. 😢
Here's the three we work with...
FMS bit.ly/3JG0lU3
My guess by reviewing the crash, it appears to me your left aileron stuck up and I believe the elevator broke on the first time you hit the ground the plane hit before you got it back up but with half an elevator and a stuck left aileron caused a left roll leading to the final crash.
I noticed that too, but closer look shows both to be in opposite direction. So that wasn't the issue.
We studied the footage quite a bit...the left tailevon was beyond the level we could have controlled it with the servo, thus I believe the linkage ripped out...plus at the end when I show how easy it pulled out, this confirmed it for us. At FIRST, I thought maybe it stuck, but I was mistaken... Watch again, and slow, and you'll see the left side go almost perpendicular to the fuse. I could 100% tell I had lost control, and you heard me say something silly like "Shibity-ballz" or some such thing...this is when I was totally surprised and trying to figure out how I was going to handle the situation. In hinds sight, I wish I would have tried to belly land her on the road, but then I bet the damage would have been even worse... either way - sucks, but she's actually in one piece again...many small pieces back together into one almost perfect (from 10 feet) looking plane!!!
Would love to see her fly again after the repairs!
Hi I just bought a su27 also I was wondering what you put the safe gains on?
Great video and crash investigation. FMS seems to owe you a plane on this one. Or the company that manufactures the control rod. It’s obvious what the malfunction was. Also as you had to keep trimming during the flight. My guess was the failure was already starting to happen causing the need to trim. Thank you for the extra step to determine what happened in this situation. So we now know it was not pilot error. That Brian Phillips has been cleared of any wrongdoing and cleared for flight status. Get him back in the air. 😂 Awesome plane, review, investigation and video Sir.
It was a defect for sure. FMS was on the email ASAP when they saw it asking for as much information we could share so they could help get this all corrected, but as you know, we do so many reviews, and have a great working relationship with FMS, among others, and know they would take care of us had we asked ;)
just for another check - swap the shafts on the ball joints. It's pretty clear that there are many "missing" threads on the bad shaft... the same effect should be evident with the bad shaft in the opposite, ball connector.
yes. The other three were good too - then I got another one off another crashed plane...and it was like - 100% more thread on the shaft.
This type of issue is hard to catch, but I did eventually catch it - LOL ;) ;(
how did you get rid of your power lines?
We worked with the power company for 7+ Months and them paid them another $24,263 to relocate them underground. This was after paying our $25,000 share of the $35,000 to put the poles down the road (the neighbor up the road paid the rest of the $10,000).
The power company refused to bid underground service, initially, but the board of utilities claimed "We had no standing" for which to have a complaint...which was that they broke "tariff" (tariff - rules for protected monopolies), and therefore the could just charge us full rate to do the work, even though they failed to bid the right project, claiming it was more or less impossible.
Life lesson, and an expensive one. Don't take their word for it. MAKE them put it in writing.
Well, at least they're buried now....and besides, what's $25K between "friends" - LOL / cry.
honest video, that's what I appreiate. Now we know and they do. Thanks From France
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Happy flying!
The twin EDFs, are contra rotating?
I like the blue one because you can see better. It’s the the quality control is the problem and not the customer.
I agree the blue pops in the sky. This bad part was a huge bummer, but might be an isolated issue???? I hope it is!!!
There is also the E-FLITE SU 30 that is the same model with some electric differences its made for E-FLITE by FMS
Bummer, personally I always glue that clevis end tip to the rod once a jet is set up for safety and to help prevent what just happened. The glue will break loose if you use pliers to twist off the clevis.
Ouch !! It sucks losing a plane like that 😕
She's not lost ;) I'll fly her again for you all soon ;)
Having an uncorrectable roll, that’s EXACTLY what happened on my E-Flite F-18 Blue Angel (minus the pushrod failure), albeit right from takeoff. Nice attempted recovery, almost looked like you were gonna pancake it on the road for a second (which would’ve caused very limited damage actually.)
yep...but belly scrapes would have been nasty
@@BrianPhillipsRC it turned out pretty nasty anyway. It's just the pilot in you to try to land that buckin Bronco. I would have done that same thing
this threaded rod is a manufacturing defect, but the flight was superb 👌
Thanks Stepane! We agree, but also feel it might have just been a fluke. Check you rods!!!! ;)
So if it’s a faulty part can you ask the company for a refund or replacement?
Great video as always brian 👍 crashed my su 27 on 5th flight. Had full power out, zero control and it glided off into a field .
Even the lights went out.
Hopefully fms will replace the plane . Was gutted such an amazing plane, bit of a pain to get off grass though
Did you lose the BEC?
@@BrianPhillipsRC
Must of done. Had a fms red arrow which did the same thing. It was 3 yrs old and had been a great plane
beautiful jets! i would love to own a SU-27 one day, but the thing i dont understand is, why fly this on a main road? and not on a specialized flying field? is there no flying club nearby? sorry for the crash :/
That's how I fly,and the reason I'll never be a su owner...smh. thanks for all you BOTH do for us you are my inspiration into the hobby!
Thanks Danny, but hope you might get one someday anyway - I think the linkage was bad...sucks though
That was the best near-save ever! Nice effort but sadly, the airplane failed you in the end.
She lives again too ;) One WHOLE bottle of Mucilage later - LOL ;)
Think you will be able to establish your property as a FRIA with the FAA since that’s where you fly from most of the time?
We already have forms filed through our CBO.
Are you going to do a repair video + a reflight of the plane? Should of ditched it pronto in the street & perhaps would have saved the nose but would of had abrasions on the plane's belly and the ordinances broken off to boot..
100% I agree...should have plopped her on the belly, but thought she was "BACK" under control, and I thought I could fly her home ;(
As for repair - not on video...but it is REPAIRED ;) ...we'll do a remaiden.
feel bad on the lost su27, just having a bad part on linkage thread and the plane was lost. I face same issue like these past few month. I made a quick decision to emergency land after gain some control. Even the damage is minimal but still i feel very bad on small crack and dent.😭😭😭.
I could have laid her down on the pavement, but honestly thought I had regained control...once the plane slowed, and entered ground effect, the elevator relaxed which was what made me think I was back in control. Still a great 2.5 minutes - LOL ;)
You're getting a free plane over that one!!!
lol it was free already...Brian doesnt pay for anything :)
Just out of curiosity…Are the control surfaces at the rear of the jet also referred to as stabilators?
Yes, they're stabilators. If they're operated with roll, they're called differential stabilators - or "tailerons" if you prefer.
@@TwoBrosRC Sooooo Jon, you gonna get one of these?? You WERE asking HH to bring back the SU-30 a couple of months back...
@@AerospaceMatt 😉
yes, stabilators speaks to the FULL surface acting as a stabilizer AND an elevator, but they can also act as AILERONS too, so sometimes they can be called "tailerons" or "tailevators" - I hate having to distinguish between the nomenclature, because you can setup the plane to have then function as either. I think of it either or in this case, but you are correct in calling them stabilators.
Ok. Thanks for the explanation.
Haha, Shibidy Balls! 😂 Sucks that you crashed but cool plane and great video!
They were shibity....what can I say?!?! ;)
Excellent video
Thank you very much!
All these edf's like this, talking about the more expensive Edf's seem to have the same problem when they crash... I.e my rafale, the nose just broke off, and continues to do that.. I think my last flight on it had myself a gear failure, the landing gear mount in the foam gave way, and on the other side, the bearing on the retract go pushed up.. which it bounced and hit some gravel/mud. I will repair it, but These jets based from Europe just seem hard to fly in general and are not really forgiving.
I think I tend to agree, but I'm also less qualified to compare since I have less experience with the larger EDF jets.