Why I HATE the DEADLIFT
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- This is why I hate the deadlift for building strength for athletes.
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Literally the best athletes in the world deadlifts so I think im gonna keep doing them
This is the click bait of programming. Don't use it. Find something better.
Tip - do not deadlift (clean) with bent arms. Keep your elbows locked.
@@MR-yp7mubetter tip-do not listen or do anything this guy in the video says.
Question dosnt the deadlift help develop a stronger clean though because obviously if you do a conventional 1000lbs deadlift your not going to clean that but would the clean probably be more developed since your body is used to doing heavier loads?
Personally I think if you’re an athlete during the off season is an amazing time to get a strong deadlift but during the season stay clear as it is very difficult to recover from a heavy deadlift session. If you’re not an athlete and just want to be a stronger dude do it as it’s one of the most functional movements for day to day life
100%.. I was not a deadlifter when I was younger and I paid the price with lower back problems. Embraced them in my 40’s and the difference it has made across many areas is phenomenal and I don’t get back pain anymore… well said mate 👍🏻 Happy New Year
IMO you are bullseye 100% right
I do deadlifts because I'm an athlete and the lower back and hamstrings are a weak spot. I sued to have lumbar lordosis from a weak low back. Now my back isn't as much of a week spot, and I can stand up straight without thinking about it
@@lillee4207try switching the deadlift out with romanian deadlifts or stiff leg deadlifts. Theyre more “athletic” variations
@@tanthai3653 they're not more athletic in my eyes at all, they just use different muscles. I use rdl's to warm up and finish off deadlift sessions, but they're not any more athletic. A clean or snatch are more athletic deadlifts, but they don't give me any function for what I want to do.
I train for hypertrophy with low rest, often times doing super sets and drop sets to gain weight, with the occasional explosive set here and there. And then I hit the bag or bob at home for 30 minutes. Some days 10*3minute rounds, other days 6*5minute rounds, one day I did 3*10minute rounds with less explosive.
I do deadlifts/ rdls to build erectors, a little bit of glutes/ hamstrings, and to get strength up right now it's barely 2* bodyweight.
When I just want to work erectors I do some light weight rdl's, but that is a rare occurrence
I kind of rambled, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you, just giving you my point of view
My dad had a stroke and nobody could pick him up to rush him to the hospital. A month earlier i was doing deadlifts and was pulling just 50kg, perfect form. He was about 80-90 kg. But damn straight that i lifted him easily because i was familiarized with the movement.
Train Deadlifts fellas, you'll never know when you'll need to lift something or someome off the ground.
Is he ok now?😢
@@ManicMoe he's getting better, but it's a long long way to go for him to recover. Thanks for asking though fella. Bless!
I deadlift now I can lift my c ock
Damn, absolute soldier! Your Dad is lucky to have you. Hope he is much better now. 🙏🏼
Hope your pops is doing well man, much love to you and your family during this troubled time ❤️
Deadlifting gave me a new type of strength on the mats that I never had before. Most athletes will never get good enough at cleans to make them more effective than deadlifts.
Fr I was always the skinny “quick” wrestler and when I committed to added 150lbs on my DL in the off-season I become the kid who could come out on top of scrambles from pure strength.
I think it really depends on ther athlete. He showed football players, which Icould see modified cleans and snatches probably working better for many of them in season. I don't think there's any doubt the deadlift remains supreme for developing raw strength, but at different points for different athletes there are less risky, potentially more rewarding alternatives.
You said what I was thinking. I wrestled at 152, the combo of deadlifts and pullups gave me chimp strength.
I tend to agree snatches and cleans are better if the athlete can do them safely but your also looking at a pretty seasoned athlete if they can. Had a super strong and powerful kid on my college football team catch the bar and his knees ran into his elbows on the descent for the catch. Broke his wrist pretty bad.
Dude you don't need to get good. Like... I'm sure i could probably clean anx jerk 160kg if I had been practicing it for years but my 132kg no contact power clean I'm sure indicates a similar level of explosive power as somebody doing more weight more efficiently.
Counter argument: while those lifts are better for athleticism, the deadlift works better than those for hypertrophy and for strength. A newbie lacking an appreciable amount of strength and muscle would certainly benefit more from deadlifts than from explosive movements. If your sport benefits a lot from having a STRONGER, not necessarily more explosive but STRONGER posterior chain (an example might be wrestling), deadlifts will do more for you. Athletes with appreciable amounts of muscle relative to their sport who need to build more explosiveness (most advanced athletes) would be better served by the explosive lifts mentioned.
I just commented how it depends on the type of athlete. Deadlift have been great strength builder for a "hobbyist" BJJ practitioner like me.
Hypertrophy is getting bigger. Hyperplasia is getting stronger. Just FYI
@@nickhinton8888 just FYI, hyperplasia is "the enlargement of an organ or tissue caused by an increase in the reproduction rate of its cells, often as an initial stage in the development of cancer."
@@InvisibleHotdog that’s when referring to cancer cells. When referring to skeletal muscle; hypertrophy is the mitochondria of each muscle cell getting bigger so the muscle itself gets bigger. Hyperplasia is increasing the amount of muscle fibers (similar to how a tumor can grow, only it’s not specifically muscle cells it’s cancerous cells) which makes the muscle stronger but not necessarily bigger
@@nickhinton8888 No, dude. Hypertrophy and hyperplasia both increase the size of muscle cells. Strength is the production of force against an external resistance, a combination of muscle size, neuromuscular efficiency, anthropometry, etc. From the NSCA, "Research over the past 40 years has shown that the predominant mechanism for increasing muscle size is hypertrophy. Hyperplasia in humans may exist but is still very controversial as a major mechanism for increasing the intact size of a muscle (MacDougall et al. 1984; Alway et al. 1989; McCall et al. 1996). If hyperplasia does occur, it likely contributes very little (
Once you've hurt your back, it feels like playing with fire
Ironically I herniated a disc that eventually required surgery not while deadlifting, but once I started running regularly. But you’re right, once you legitimately mess up your back then you will never feel quite the same again.
Yep. And I no longer deadlift for that reason. I can squat a solid 375lbs deep with great form, but the deadlift is just too risky anymore.
Doctor told me i have arthritis in my lower back. She talked about surgery and therapy. Walking was painful. I started to deadlift and i now am living relatively pain free. May not work for eveyone but im glad it does for me.
@@adrielgutierrez5832 I started low on the weights, and gradually I can tell an improvement in strength. I was actually able to move furniture the other day pain free. So starting small is key for me. I can definitely see what the hype is about, it's crazy how much energy you use to deadlift. I can actually feel the muscles around my spine strengthen. I felt soreness there, the good kind of pain, lol.
Herniated L4 in early 2021 and re-bulged it in early 2022. Yeah it doesn't feel quite the same, but it's constantly surprising me, I can deadlift 80% of my best ever for 3x5 no problem and still climbing. One thing that seems to help me is controlled rounding, rounding in the thoracic spine where your back is rib supported and it's safer to do so takes some of the strain off the lower back
I deadlift because it makes my whole body feel pumped for about 3 days.
Thats leg day for me brother lmao.
Never experienced that tbh, how many sets, reps and weight range?
@@eagleeyemind4800 depends if you’re looking for a pump I think 4 sets of 12 with weight around your body weight or lighter, if you have the form down. For power I usually do 3x5 with a little heavier, like 1-2x your bw
"as you age, you get older" Wise words xD Totally agree :D
Facts
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Some people put in a "," instead of an "and" on sentences like these
As you gain strength, you get stronger lol
Counterpoint: deadlifts are a lot easier to reach and train a newbie lifter to do, while cleans require lots of practice, coordination, and coaching to get right in order to reap their benefits
Yup. This was a pretty clickbait short haha
I’ve been lifting for years and still Won’t go anywhere near any kind of snatch because it just seems like the risk of injury is so high
For sports specific, doing power cleans & power snatches are the way to go.
They are less technical to get right & build more strength as your moving the bar through a higher ROM.
It’s a different philosophy when approaching the lift; where an Olympic Lifter is trying to be as efficient as possible by getting under the bar quicker with a clean/snatch.
A power clean/snatch your trying to be as inefficient as possible pulling through a longer a ROM recruiting more muscle groups + still getting the benefits of explosiveness recruiting more type 2B muscle fibres (just not as much a full clean/snatch)…
I also like to add in the 3rd/old Olympic Lift (now dropped) of an OHP to increase upper body strength…
Killing two birds with one stone/exercise…
Counterpoint, they really aren't that hard to learn. If you want to be lazy and not teach anything then sure. But athletes spend countless hours working on tiny details of footwork and can't coordinate well enough to execute a clean in a few weeks? Don't buy it.
this is in regards to athletes, not newbie lifters
Trap Bar Deadlift, especially with proper platforms to make it lower and counteract the raised handles, seems the best option for anyone who wants a strong deadlift but isn't competing for deadlift and wants to avoid injury. The most functional lift for real life and sports outside of a Farmer's Walk - which you can also do with a trap bar : )
so true
Guys this is just an opinion. The deadlift is useful for anyone, athletes included. Just because it may not be the BEST for athletes, doesn't mean it's not good for athletes. Having a strong and explosive posterior chain would definitely qualify as useful for an athlete. He says he prefers clean and snatches, both are great, doesn't mean you can do those AND deadlift. Tired of all these fitness "masters" making these absolute claims, when there's no need for it. Keep an open mind.
RDLs fixed my low back pain during off season and helped me get stronger.
@rye-bread5236 The RDL is a fantastic exercise. It works extremely well on developing hamstring strength also.
i feel all the other lift you mentioned as an alternative arebeay more complex to master and open to injury
They might be, but they're also more sport specific. All athletes assume a risk of injury to certain degrees when training, even if their training is as optimal as can be. And let's face it, there's not much an athlete can do in the gym that's more dangerous than what happens on the field or in their arena of sport.
@@slingshotmcoy hehe, a snatch is sports specific ? A jumping trap at deadlift is sports specific?
Lol
@Kyl Schwartz what sport are they specific too ?
@Kyl Schwartz I can see a trap bar deadlift helping explosiveness but even that’s not specifically for any particular sport. That’s a general exercise. A snatch is only good for snatching. That’s my opinion
@Kyl Schwartz these are general strength movements. The opposite of specific.
I won’t deadlift because I know too many people who have permanent back injuries from it.
You should see the numbers of obese people with back issues. 1/10, would not recommend obesity.
As a former college athlete. We never did crazy heavy dead lifts. Never even maxed. Was more of a warm up while getting into power cleans and hang cleans
Same in football and baseball. We rarely maxxed, only went like 80% like once every 2 week. We were taught to slowly increase the weight at the 8-10-12 rep range throughout the spring. I think it made us more athletic and WAAY more conditioned. And we had few injuries offseason and in season
"Trap bar jump" Had me in the first half...
That’s insane. And he also said doing drop sets with a deadlift? What the hell!?
They're a modification for athletes who might not be able to clean
@@TokenTupperware Um, where in the world did you hear that a trap bar jump (which is not even a thing, btw. It's pretty basic training knowledge you DO NOT combine weights with plyometrics) is a modification of a clean? With a clean, your feet barely leave the ground - usually not at all, just the heels - that that is the result of the explosive hip thrust. So something like a kettlebell swing would be a BIT more suitable as a supplement. Not a jump.
Also, you do realize that there is a drill where you essentially partially clean. You do the clean, but stop and the hip thrust instead of tossing the weight up completely. Olympic lifters use it to practice that specific portion of the lift.
@@robmarsh918 I'm a strength and conditioning coach that works with athletes and I coach with a bias to Olympic weightlifting. I have a master's degree, s and c cert, weightlifting coaching certs. I've coached newbies and professional athletes... now that you know I'm not a dumbass, I'll let you know that you can in fact load plyometrics. Have you not heard of loaded squat jumps? Athletes do them with dumbbells, barbells, and yes, trap bars. It is indeed a thing. Do not insult my intelligence, maybe do some research. A kettlebell swing propulses force horizontally, more akin to a broad jump, it's not applying force vertically in the same way a clean, clean pull, or trap bar jump would.
In a clean, you concentrically drive the bar up vertically, momentarily move the feet out to receive the bar, eccentrically lower the weight down, and drive back up out for the squat...
Apply this knowledge to a trap bar jump for an athlete unable to perform the clean for whatever reason. Weight loaded beside the legs instead of in front... Concentrically drive the bar up through an explosive jump, eccentrically lower the weight down upon contact, concentrically drive back up to a standing position.
Same can be applied to a loaded back squat jump. Dumbbells by your side. Heck even low level plyos like loaded pogos.
I bet you'd feel safer if the athlete was band resisted through some plyos because it looks safer, in reality it's all the same concept but eliciting a slightly different training stimulus. Think starting strength, speed strength, strength speed qualities.
Also, a medicine ball slam, throw, overhead toss, etc are loaded plyos, loaded sprints are what I'd consider a loaded plyo, band resisted or weight resisted jumps, including multidirectional jumps are loaded plyos. They're a thing. You should learn about them.
@@TokenTupperware This is all solid information, I'll admit. And although I am also experienced with training and coaching, it is not to the degree you are (considering what you are claiming about yourself is true). I admit: I focused only on hip force production in a general sense and completely left out the eccentric and concentric loading portion of the movement. Although I do disagree that the hip thrust in a clean is strictly horizontal, I can grasp what you are saying.
As far as loaded plyos, if you want to go into semantics, then yes, I am aware of medicine ball throws and loaded sprints are technically plyos with external resistance. I was referring specifically jumps. I am not a fan of things like loaded barbell squats bc the risk to reward ratio just seems unfavorable. HOWEVER, if we are talking about advanced athletes, then that is very different. I admittedly work with intermediates at best. And training is not my primary profession, nor do I do it much anymore, so I respect expertise in the field. And although I feel like your bias toward Olympic lifting may skew that ratio a bit, I don't have interest in Olympic lifts. So I don't know shit LOL. You got me. I'm so used to people being completely ignorant to training in these comments I dropped my guard. Kudos.
OK, then. I have three genuine questions for you: 1) what do you think about this guy saying deadlifts are useless? I have to know. and
2) How do you feel about athletes doing Olympic lifts? Do you feel like the learning curve is worth it? Or does it depend on the athlete's ability to grasp the movement?
3) What is your information (media, site)? I'd like to check you out.
then change the title to “I HATE the DEADLIFT for SPORTS PERFORMANCE”
Robert Oberst said it perfectly “ If you don’t get paid to deadlift don’t fucking deadlift”
Oberst is also an idiot so take that with a big ol salt cube
It was a stupid comment.
Deadlifting is only for powerlifting. No major pro or college strength coach would risk his athletes' health and their job for one exercise.
5 sets of 2-3 reps
Heavy set of 2-3 reps
2 dropsets of 9 reps
For athlete ?
THAT is ALOT of high volume heavy lifting
@@user-oz6pp6ym4dthat’s how u get strong
Why would you mix absolute strenght and hypertrophy training?
The real reason why coaches program Olympic lifts (a sport on it’s own) is because they’re flashy and make them stand out in the market.
I still think that’s translate to jumping better than a slow ass 600 deadlift vs a 225 snatch as the movement can’t be performed show if you wanted too.
@@TheJwalk1234 Strength is athletic or at least a key component of it. A deadlift is maximal hinging strength from picking up an object off the ground. It’s not like a snatch or a deadlift has absolutely no carry over. However, a snatch is more technically complex and thus safely bailing from it is something that an athlete who practices an entirely different sport (let’s say basketball for the sake of what you said about jumping). Why would you program something that is so difficult to do competently that it’s part of seperate weightlifting sport? Instead you could use more specific development movements such as a heavy compound movement, a single leg movement or plyometric exercises.
@@jamesfield6141 I agree with everything you said outside like a true max like grinder. I do plyos with heavy trap bar deads to hopefully get over a 40 inch vertical again but single are at 90% at best. I think grinding( heavy weight ) is counter productive for athletic endeavors
@@TheJwalk1234 It’s hard to know what the difference between a 90% or 100% single unless you get close to either (grinding it out would be necessary for a 100%). So Grinding out reps would only be bad if form was compromised to do so, which would make it unsafe. If you did grind out reps every session you would plateau and gain neither strength or explosiveness long term.
They are just different. Olympic lifts are pretty awesome for what most sports are looking for, with a combination of speed, strength, and flexibility. They aren't mutually exclusive.
I love doing Deadlifts, but I sometimes get a reoccurring lower back injury and I can’t train for weeks. It’s frustrating.
Also same, got a trap bar and working methodically I have aced it.
Is it anything to do with form or is it an area of your back that has issues?
Aaand that's why I don't deadlift. I don't have weeks/months to be down. The risk to reward ratio is to just to high for me
Consider your stance. If I try to deadlift to narrow my back, it gets a huge twinge. With a wider stance it doesn't occur.
Eddie Hall says shins 1 inch from the bar while standing straight. That helps keep the bar close to ur body ie less strain on lower back
This is what college athletes are moving towards in major programs. Not that they never deadlift. They just don't let you go very heavy on deadlift
I think this demonstrates a common misconception about what the goal for an athlete is in the weight room. For an athlete, the deadlift is a superior lift to the power clean for the reason you mention yourself in this video: we can lift heavy weights. The deadlift helps an athlete build strength in the hips, legs, and back. That strength can then later be put to use in the context of the athletes sport in practice. Worrying about making the lifts in the gym “carry over” is a mistake, instead worry about picking lifts that will make you the strongest.
All movements have carryover with the correct programming!
As long as athletes lift, jump/plyos, and sprint in their training, they are maximizing their athletic potential!
great comment, the internet is always on the hunt to find the one simple fix, when truly the best way is a well programmed mix
@@Leon-bt7gw more or less and/or gain followers by spouting clickbait topics!
My back snapped just looking at all that brutal form.
With proper training in Olympic lifts the benefits are unreal. Hang cleans/deep squat/push press/snatch took me from an average football player to first team all state. I still use them to this day because they’re functional if I need to be explosive for any reason
I love deadlifts, but I actually agree with these points. I think there are better choices to train for athletic performance.
Bro that bicep's gonna tear💀
I know right, this dude doesn’t even look like he knows how to deadlift but he’s telling others it’s not a good idea 😂
@@rationalright8342 you didnt listen did you...
He can't fully lockout, he has issues with the bench press too. You do know this guy's worked with Olympians and world class athletes right?
@@TokenTupperware lol you must’ve bought his program huh ?
@@rationalright8342 no. I'm staying facts
Strength comes before power so the deadlift is a staple for any athlete
I’m just training for muscle development. Deadlifts might not really define any one muscle group all that great, but I’ve seen the difference in my back with and without.
That’s all I really care about
Depends on what type of athlete you are, for BJJ, deadlifts are a crucial strength builder for certain techniques.
Definitely has the most Carry over to everyday life
I would do all of them
Training for power vs strength both ideal for an athlete
Keep deadlifting guys..if you do it right, it’s totally safe. It is the KING of all strength movements
In sports explosiveness over top end strength.
That being said I dont play any sports and lift just to be strong and healthy and your definitely missing out if thats your goal.
You have only so much you can recover from no matter what you do and your training style should be tailored to your life and personal goals.
He never said it was dangerous lol
Everyone who deadlifts built like absolute shxt , DL is not impressive, it’s a Lazy Workout for lazy ppl who can’t Pull Up
Cap. Deadlift is one of the most dangerous exercises to perform and the perfect exercise to break your back.
Deadlifting gives me a smooth muscular upper and lower back. It however is extremely taxing to stamina.
Im not a big deadlifter. I prefer other exercises like RDL, kettlebell swings, reverse hyper extensions, etc. to train my posterior chain. For me, they feel better, more natural, and carry other well to sports. Any time i do deadlift, i go relatively light for higher reps.
It works everything.
I'll never stop deadlifting.
As much as I love deadlifts, clean pulls are a much better alternative for athletic performance
Zercher deadlifts for wrestling is pretty good
Reasonable, nuanced and respectful. Instead of just saying "iT's A bAd LiFt" he explained why it may not be best for this specific use case while still respecting it.
It's like hammers for nails. Doesn't make a hammer a bad tool, there's just a better one for this specific case.
Dude is building his reputation on being "guy who programs weird rep counts"
I deadlift because standing up in someones closed guard in Jiu Jitsu requires a strong posterior chain
Keep in mind yall a deadlift is the bottom half of a clean so stop acting like he's saying its not supposed to be done. Hes saying athletes need to focus explosiveness so the clean and others are more optimal
Deadlifting is a great exercise bro, its just a different benifit from it than the other exercises you listed. Although those other exercises may help with power more so than the deadlift, the deadlift is a great exercise to make you very strong, theres also many deadlift variations than can help more with hypertrophy which can increase power and strength long term. Just use periodization if you want benifits from all exercises.
as an old and tired, mostly sore person that’s not involved in sports, I sure do enjoy a good dead lift.
Romanians are so handy for targeting hams, can do with bumbells, it's all about getting a good controlled eccentric
Cling and jerk add so much compressive force on to the body. Plus much more risk of injury. You are likely throwing a weight over your head at high speed.
I don’t like snatches because if you drop the bar, you are breaking your neck
Deads are best. Same with the power cleans. Luv that athletic and heavy movement from the floor
Deadlift is for old people, not for athletes
Deadlift specifically improved my knockout power as a teenager when i was boxing. Within two months I had a major increase in overall power without exerting (deadliftit was the only new thing incorporated). The only thing correct he says about a deadlift is the set/rep routine he stated at the end.
Split stance deadlift active feet heel off/ knee slightly over toes is better transfer in my opinion
I personally don’t understand why ppl hate on the DL for athletes. True it’s not the best lift to promote athleticism but it does increase strength and it can also improve recruitment of testosterone. If you get a sore lower back I’d personally recommend performing slow and controlled light weight Trap Bar DL, RDL, or a Good Morning over an Olympic style lift due to the technique needed to perform a clean/ snatch correctly. I’m not a strength coach tho just based off my thoughts and experiences I’ve gone through myself
If the dead lift is not appropriated for athletes then the clean or snatch are way more inadequate. Dead lift is million time less technical and fill all the requirement, especially trap bar and RDLs.
From experience a raw deadlift is the best possible exercise for wrestling and grappling martial arts, good strength in your grip and uncollapsable legs.
deadlifted 235 yesterday, the weights fell on my foot. never again
Why not both? Get a new athletes Deadlift up to 405 and they will most likely clean far more than a new athlete that dedicates his time to cleans
Sumo deadlift is better for athletes, targets more glutes/hammys, honestly probably the reason why I got better
Wes Craven the Master of Horror brings you the deadliest lift of them all. . .
When I did a combo of deadlifts and pullups it took me to the next level of strength in wrestling.
Agree clean and press is natural hay bale movement.
Yeah you’re right, I do kickboxing I have problem with the footwork when I do a dead lift
I’m not an athlete. Just a 49 year old guy trying to get strong ( and failing miserably). I love the deadlift even though I absolutely suck at it.
Next time Somebody tells you to jerk, twich and jump during lifting, just walk away. You don't lift the weight you just throw the weight. Which is extremely dangerous and does nothing to build strenght.
I hate squats but love RDLs, because my cardio sucks and squats require it much more, while RDLs are easier on endurance.
I love the deadlifts but for athletes I don’t think the risk to reward ratio for a pr is worth it
The clean is nothong but a light deadlift which is why it can be done fast. 2 guys with the same explosive ablity the one with the higher deadlift will clean the most.
Can you explain how deadlifts don’t “carry over” to sports as well? Unless you’re talking about a sport specific quality, I can’t imagine what separates it from olympic weightlifting movements.
Literally almost no one does olympic lifts correctly except for Olympic lifters. Which makes deadlifts more effective for 90% of athletes. And any power specific movement needs a precursor of hypertrophy and strength.
Romanian deadlifts is the far Superior choice, in my opinion.
Snatching for sports performance is an absolute waste of time. It requires so much skill and the risk of you getting injured by dropping the bar is also high. It only builds explosiveness in that particular movement so other than snatch it won't really Carry over to other movements in sports
Kettlebell swing is great for athletic performance in the posterior chain.
Comparing apples with oranges, deadlifting is done by combat sport athletes for general strength as seen with trainers like Phil Daru , olympic lifts are for explosiveness.
The problem with olympic lifts is that they are quite technical and can be dangerous for the regular gym goer.
The real problem with the dead lift is it has to be done almost 100% correct each and every time. One miscalculation in your technique and you could be living with serious back pain or worse, pain and surgery..
Damaged myself forever deadlifting, I was born decent, 2.0x body weight at 13 but I just took it too far and now I’m compromised athletically, if I focused on accessories for my main lifts I would be fine.
1 year later, algorithm recommends again. I agree that people like deadlift because it usually everyone's biggest lift.
As a wrestler. No, maybe as I age I’ll stop but for now I’ll stick with em
I'm just a bodybuilder. I only lift for the sake of hypertrophy. Deadlifting really only makes sense if you don't have time to isolate muscles. If you can target each individual muscle involved in compound movements, why wouldn't you?
It's just a weird lift to program. For general population I prefer the RDL for muscle development and mobility gains.
I'd say the same for the athlete.
So the only people I would program a deadlift is people that like deadlifting.
I’m in construction, and workout 5 times a week.
My splits are
Mon- shoulders
Tue- back
Wed- chest/triceps and core
Thu- biceps
Fri- legs
Should I be using the deadlift, or should I use an alternative?
I also realize that construction isn’t a sport, but I’m curious as to whether an alternative could be better for my body.
Love hate relationship with it. As i got older, i began tweaking my back more when moving the weight. Stiff hamstrings didnt help. I have to lead with good stretching. Also, it has to be the first exercise, because fatigue and deadlifts often = injury for me
Even dead, lifting powerlifters say don’t do it. It could ruin your knees, hips, and back.
Depends on what sport, for any full-body contact sport, the deadlift is incredible.
Even for sports performance, the deadlift can be a good accessory for the other lifts you mention.
Ok but not everyone is trying to become an athlete. So don’t hate on the deadlift in the description.
Growth hormone stimulation, simple as that
Mario rios taking notes getting ready for his attack
He will get hate for this .
Clean and jerk is super high mileage for an athlete. Think about it you are accelerating a bar to high speed then slowing it down rapidly
I completely disagree. You are absolutely right that cleans are much better for training explosiveness, and they should definitely be a priority for sports performance, however the deadlift will make your body rugged and strong, which is huge for injury prevention.
Athletes, in general, should focus on building muscle, not strength. Strength gains on the deadlift only really apply to the deadlift, but bigger glutes, hamstrings, and spinal erectors improve every movement that involves those muscles.
I am not sure I agree. The first part of your comment isn't really supported by the second part. "Focus on building muscle, not strength" isn't really the direction most people would go. Like, you are advocating hypertrophy over strength. Like, doing a high rep, low weight type of program does not seem useful at all. Also, different forms of deadlift have different EMG activation and predominantly activate different muscles that you are talking about. For instance, sumo deadlift activating the vastus lateralis might be more beneficial for a sport that uses that (cycling). Also, most of what you mentioned as a counter to the deadlift are posterior chain muscles, which the deadlift is great for.
@@macgyvervanschwartzenstall4662 Yes, hypertrophy has carryover to any movement involving the relevant muscles, while 1RM strength does not. If you're not a powrlifter, super low reps are a waste of time and energy.
And no, hypertrophy training does not mean high reps and low weight. You can build muscle in a wide rep range, anywhere from about 5-30, as long as you're taking your sets close to failure. Close to failure is the key. So that means using an appropriate weight, i.e. if you're going for sets of 10, then you ought to use close to your 10RM.
Depends on the sport. If there's an off-season, at the beginning of the off-season is when you train pure strength movements in a caloric surplus, then towards the end of the off-season you start cutting the fat and train explosive movements
Honest question, everything listed is a sub maximal pull and don’t make you stronger but help you express your strength through power, one good deadlift session a week is easy, so why not do them?
I've cut them out and switched to hex bar deadlifts.
Better risk/reward rational and higher ability to overload and build muscle. Still builds the back and forearms but also the legs and lower back involvement is mitigated.
hex bar deads are where it's at...
A person with a bigger deadlift, can clean more, so deadlift, and clean on a medium day
Almost everyone deadlifting had terrible form. Their backs are so rounded, just waiting for a severe injury.
Awesome clip
Remember people: Never take advice from crossfit enthusiasts.
Exactly. Behold CrossFit, the sport were you trying injure yourself with crappy form
Although I’m not sure whether he does CrossFit or not, what he said was totally correct. Training like a bodybuilder isn’t always the best for sports performance. Heavy explosive movement like cleans are going to transition into sports performance much better. Chill with the ignorant opinion
Imagine seeing a clean and thinking he's a CrossFit enthusiast lmaooo literally Nick Singleton in this video
@@ghost_reccon1665 Yes, heavy explosive movements transition into sports. Cleans do not. Just because it is a heavy and explosive movement does not mean it is a good one. But really, now that I think about it, I actually can't think of any heavy and explosive movements that transition into sports that come from weight lifting.
Football players and sprinters burst into a sprint. Javelin and Shot Put use slow and fluid body movements with physics to build into a final and explosive release. Tennis uses more cardio and reflexes. Golf is dynamic hip flexion and arm movement with accuracy. Boxing and combat sports use entirely different skill sets.
Rowing is probably the only sport not based specifically around body building that I can think of that uses any sort of explosive movement from body building. At least off the top of my head. But cleans won't help with that at all.
So yea, not ignorant.
@@sscswimmer1 Imagine seeing a clean and thinking it serves any purpose outside of CrossFit. No sport outside of CrossFit uses that movement. It's dangerous and reckless. If you need to get something over your head like that, you do a military press style movement. Sure, you can incorporate the squat portion to make sure you can get it above your head, but the reason to do the press is because every object can be lifted that way. Only a bar can be lifted in a Clean. You can't lift a box, sandbag, etc. with a Clean motion, because your grip is too wide and is specifically positioned to perform a pendulum-like motion.
No sport uses the movement.
Olympic lifts are highly skilled lifts with a lot of jerky movements that are dangerous and can cause injury. Those lifts don’t help an athlete in a specific sport at all . Instead work on a specific skill in your sport and do slow moving weight lifting