I love love love the idea of Dreadnaught characters/Warlords. I know it's better on a Telemon but I just want a warlord Galatus with the +++5 leading the battle charge so bad.
Was telling my friends my next army was gonna be a Mech Custodes list even though it would be crap, NOT ANYMORE. That Ares Gunship is tempting still undecided though
@@drgnvale nah, it fixes some issues that should never have existed… it makes stuff work to what it should have been to start. The detatchments should mean you actually have viability with other options, this just doesn’t do that. It’s probably our third best strategy after talons and shield host. Dreads should be 8” move on the datasheet it shouldn’t be a detatchment rule. Bikes still suck every in this. It’s just not what we needed at all
I would have preferred the boost to walker movement as a data sheet fix rather than only in a specific detachment. But now I get to run the ForgeWorld list and maybe take it a little more seriously 😊
You've got 4, and at least 2 of them are good. Boring, but good. And by Folger if you try to say they aren't good I get to pelt you in the face with printed out lists from every person at WCW.
Those of us who already had dreadnoughts really badly wanted them to actually be playable, there are already detachments for people who don't care about them
TiL they gave the Telemon more attacks if running double fist. A quite subtle update I totally missed (I've been playing Necromunda and haven't kept up with 40k lately). I am excited about this. I have never been impressed in my local games with shooty Telemons, but double fist Telemons have never disappointed (until 10th killed their stats). I feel like they are back now!
I wonder if the fight on death strat allows you to fight twice with a venerable contemptor if it gets destroyed twice in the fight phase? The Strat reads “each time a model in your unit is destroyed”
What is with people stating they are wanting to take double Fist Telemons over Fist and Gun? Am I missing something about 2 Fists, like an attribute gained such as more attacks or twinlinked? Or are they just Fists go pow! melee above all type players?
Is it possible we want to go Assault Cannon on the Venerables? Or perhaps a full gunboat Telemon? It seems like volume fire might be something we could be missing if we don't watch out.
I agree. Dreadnought melee and the Tanks are the anti-vehicles. If there is an option for anti-infantry/horde guns, you should take it or suffer the unending swarm of OC and accuracy by volume attacks. All Telemons take a Fist and gun. 1 telemon gunboat. Any Achillus takes the double bolters.
@@defeatedhusband1593 I still prefer the flamers on the Achillus I think. And the new boosted bolter profile on Vertus Praetors seems like it might go a long way towards solving any volume fire issue this detachment might have.
@RConnickJr I can see the bikes doing work if it isn't an Opps All Dreadnoughts list. I stated bolters due to having enough range to either keep them scare and away or enough +2 shots to still hurt any light infantry that gets too close. Achillus charging a light infantry unit is not ideal for its weapon profile. Flamers or bolters will still do what it needs to do to kill or scare the unit away. Yes flamers auto hit but it could be 2 hits or 12. Bolters at the same range will be hitting on 2s with a guaranteed 12 shots. Strength on both is fine for wounding on average. Damage is equal too. So I guess it comes down to luck of the dice rolls on the flamer verses the +2 hit on bolts. Obviously before any modifiers and shenanigans from either side. That said, I am happier with where bikes are now even though this Detachment is the only one that seems ideal for them at this moment. But... do you know why people are saying go double Fist telemon?
The +1 attack damage and str is any custodes model, so could it be good on a lone bike captain to go through a wall, kill something and run away 12in Or is it just better on a galatus
I mean....I get what you want to say, but it's not like regular GW plastic minis are "free to play" ;). Still, a Custodes vehicle detachment is the last thing I expected and maybe they want to start making those things in plastic, seeing how it's basically half of their datasheets.
I'd have much rather had a detatchment that didn't force us to use dreads. But Meh whatever, I've learnt not to get my hopes up with Custodes anymore with GW.
@ it’s all about making some poor data sheets work to where they should have been working to start It doesn’t mean we now have good stuff like stuff should be good and detatchment makes it competitive Fixing internal balance so some stuff can be used sure it’s casual fun but it’s not competitive imho
Playing Custodes without FW/other available online cheaper equivalents is a bit like ice skating up hill, especially for a vehicle detachment. Good thing there is 4 other detachments that are available that did nothing for the FW range you can fall back on.
@@thatmanfredi don't own fw because l can't afford it. Two 170$ tanks , plus import tanks and 23% Vat is too much on a 450$ monthly salary. And GW decided tgat instead of fun lists with guards, bikes or terminators, custodes building suppose to start with fw , non custodes, sos etc
@piotrjeske4599 Auric Champions, Shield Host. Literally half of the existing detachments already focus on the generic plastic lads. This is something new. You really are living down to the reputation of custodes players of always finding something to complain about.
Even less reason reason to even roll dice , just go straight to a saves lol , how buffs? Gws looking to clear some f world stuff before they get rid of them for 11th ..dont fall into the money trap Happy for custodes how ever
As custodies player I’m disapointed, it’s bad it’s not a good detatchment, dreads get 5 attacks or 8 attacks, that’s just not many so we lose our volume and kill much less Like yes it makes dreads useable but not better than talons or shield host
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I love love love the idea of Dreadnaught characters/Warlords. I know it's better on a Telemon but I just want a warlord Galatus with the +++5 leading the battle charge so bad.
rhino also a adeptus custodes vehicle, so you can move over walls drop some sisters and it's oc 4
Was telling my friends my next army was gonna be a Mech Custodes list even though it would be crap, NOT ANYMORE. That Ares Gunship is tempting still undecided though
Please let whoever wrote this write our 11th detatchments. The way this stuff fits together...
@@drgnvale nah, it fixes some issues that should never have existed… it makes stuff work to what it should have been to start.
The detatchments should mean you actually have viability with other options, this just doesn’t do that.
It’s probably our third best strategy after talons and shield host.
Dreads should be 8” move on the datasheet it shouldn’t be a detatchment rule.
Bikes still suck every in this.
It’s just not what we needed at all
I would have preferred the boost to walker movement as a data sheet fix rather than only in a specific detachment. But now I get to run the ForgeWorld list and maybe take it a little more seriously 😊
Love this detachment tbh, can’t afford dreads, but I would love to see them on tables, the achillus is my favorite model in the game
Awesome vid, cheers Jack and John!
I can see myself bring 1 squad of wardens and blade champions with the +1A,S and D since it's not restricted to vehicles
Thanks Jack and John
okay, so we get a detachment for Imperial Armory: Adeptus Custodes, when do we get one for the Codex?
you did ?
You've got 4, and at least 2 of them are good. Boring, but good. And by Folger if you try to say they aren't good I get to pelt you in the face with printed out lists from every person at WCW.
Those of us who already had dreadnoughts really badly wanted them to actually be playable, there are already detachments for people who don't care about them
Surely they can’t shaft us again?! I have such high hopes…
Please Jack… just let me know there is hope..?!
John is big happy
TiL they gave the Telemon more attacks if running double fist. A quite subtle update I totally missed (I've been playing Necromunda and haven't kept up with 40k lately). I am excited about this. I have never been impressed in my local games with shooty Telemons, but double fist Telemons have never disappointed (until 10th killed their stats). I feel like they are back now!
I wonder if the fight on death strat allows you to fight twice with a venerable contemptor if it gets destroyed twice in the fight phase? The Strat reads “each time a model in your unit is destroyed”
You revive at the end of the phase
What is with people stating they are wanting to take double Fist Telemons over Fist and Gun? Am I missing something about 2 Fists, like an attribute gained such as more attacks or twinlinked? Or are they just Fists go pow! melee above all type players?
Is it possible we want to go Assault Cannon on the Venerables? Or perhaps a full gunboat Telemon? It seems like volume fire might be something we could be missing if we don't watch out.
I agree. Dreadnought melee and the Tanks are the anti-vehicles. If there is an option for anti-infantry/horde guns, you should take it or suffer the unending swarm of OC and accuracy by volume attacks.
All Telemons take a Fist and gun. 1 telemon gunboat. Any Achillus takes the double bolters.
@@defeatedhusband1593 I still prefer the flamers on the Achillus I think. And the new boosted bolter profile on Vertus Praetors seems like it might go a long way towards solving any volume fire issue this detachment might have.
@RConnickJr
I can see the bikes doing work if it isn't an Opps All Dreadnoughts list. I stated bolters due to having enough range to either keep them scare and away or enough +2 shots to still hurt any light infantry that gets too close. Achillus charging a light infantry unit is not ideal for its weapon profile. Flamers or bolters will still do what it needs to do to kill or scare the unit away.
Yes flamers auto hit but it could be 2 hits or 12. Bolters at the same range will be hitting on 2s with a guaranteed 12 shots. Strength on both is fine for wounding on average. Damage is equal too. So I guess it comes down to luck of the dice rolls on the flamer verses the +2 hit on bolts. Obviously before any modifiers and shenanigans from either side.
That said, I am happier with where bikes are now even though this Detachment is the only one that seems ideal for them at this moment.
But... do you know why people are saying go double Fist telemon?
Cant remember his name but there was a guy running custodes dread list at wcw. I know he is happy right now
It's a little meme but Hear me out ... A Landraider.... move 12 through a wall ... 6 terminators get out and charge ... the beef bus!
custodies land raider moves 10, but yeah... still a 20 inch threat range.
@Outrage82 new detachment gives vehicles +2 inch movement. + 3 for getting out ... max threat range is 27 if you want to roll an 11 on a charge lol
@@Kijuice only walkers get +2 move….
@@Outrage82 you're right I read it wrong lol
The +1 attack damage and str is any custodes model, so could it be good on a lone bike captain to go through a wall, kill something and run away 12in
Or is it just better on a galatus
@@NobleChile blade champ… dev wounds at dam 4
Achillus dread with adamantine talisman is funny, 6 attacks at 13 -2 d6+2 with lance means you wound a knight on 2’s
Or a baneblade/warhound titan/bigger knight on 3s
Also funny allarus cap with the fnp
T7 2+ 4++ 5+++ and reduces all incoming damage to 1
8 failed saves to die in theory
That’s a tanky boy
Wow GWs first paywalled detachment. I would play this if the Forgeworld Dreadnoughts got ported to plastic.
Indeed. They made this just to get rid of their FW storage
I mean, shield host or talon would still be better. But this allow people who brought FW dreads in past edition have something to playwith.
@@linzeli1247 To bad they need a whole detachment to be playable, instead of fixing their datasheets
If they weren't having to find a new gimmick for grotmas I suspect +2" move maybe have come in the dataslate@@beyondthegrave8255
I mean....I get what you want to say, but it's not like regular GW plastic minis are "free to play" ;). Still, a Custodes vehicle detachment is the last thing I expected and maybe they want to start making those things in plastic, seeing how it's basically half of their datasheets.
John says comment, I comment.
Isn't re-roll ONE hit/wound rolls of one? Not all?
Guess Bikes will be dead untill 11th edition..
Wait for the data slate…
@@buttemountain 🥸
They are getting their datasheet buffed soon. +1T +1W
@@chaotic9157 their problem is that their guns are shit, and their melee is worse then that vetinari , for more points and harder use.
Run 18. Become the Meta.
I'd have much rather had a detatchment that didn't force us to use dreads. But Meh whatever, I've learnt not to get my hopes up with Custodes anymore with GW.
It fixes dreads
But everything else kinda sucks so it’s bad overall
Instead of fixing the data sheets they give a detachment so the models will never be good outside of this detachment. Great job.
You do know theirs a dataslate around the corner right
@ i have no faith they’ll fix the Dreds to have the very needed +2 movement on the data sheets after they gave them it in this one-off detachment
It’s a fun detatchment not a good detachment
And that’s fine by me, if rather that so it takes longer for us to get punched into the dirt
finally someone who get's it
@ it’s all about making some poor data sheets work to where they should have been working to start
It doesn’t mean we now have good stuff like stuff should be good and detatchment makes it competitive
Fixing internal balance so some stuff can be used sure it’s casual fun but it’s not competitive imho
So if someone doesn't have FW , they didn't get a detachment. cool.
Playing Custodes without FW/other available online cheaper equivalents is a bit like ice skating up hill, especially for a vehicle detachment. Good thing there is 4 other detachments that are available that did nothing for the FW range you can fall back on.
@@thatmanfredi don't own fw because l can't afford it. Two 170$ tanks , plus import tanks and 23% Vat is too much on a 450$ monthly salary. And GW decided tgat instead of fun lists with guards, bikes or terminators, custodes building suppose to start with fw , non custodes, sos etc
@piotrjeske4599 Auric Champions, Shield Host. Literally half of the existing detachments already focus on the generic plastic lads. This is something new. You really are living down to the reputation of custodes players of always finding something to complain about.
Even less reason reason to even roll dice , just go straight to a saves lol , how buffs? Gws looking to clear some f world stuff before they get rid of them for 11th ..dont fall into the money trap
Happy for custodes how ever
As custodies player
I’m disapointed, it’s bad it’s not a good detatchment, dreads get 5 attacks or 8 attacks, that’s just not many so we lose our volume and kill much less
Like yes it makes dreads useable but not better than talons or shield host
@alexrowson-brown6568 true