Was looking for a video such as this ... read some negative comments probably coming from younger players, older players such as myself (70) need a little help with reaction time backing off the NLV line does just that I think ...advantages out weigh the disadvantages
Jordan, this is definitely a point of "argument" for many partners. Yesterday, I played with a new partner against some very aggressive players. I played off the line to handle their fast volleys right at me. My partner kept telling me to come to the line. I know my skills and I told him that's not always true but I appreciated his comments. He just shook his head and did the eye roll thing. Not fun! Thanks for confirming my opinions and experience. :)
I also suggest that slight backing off the NVZ line for newer players that have excitable feet and tend to step into the NVZ when trying a smash. This is definitely one to share with our local group. Thanks and keep those videos coming.
I figured that out myself because of various fundamentals from racket sports i play. Good example of pairs that play 2 steps away from NVZ are the Waters and Zobeks....that is because they wanna attack and be staying on the offensive side throughout the game. Therefore ill take that space for my better movement to attack and to create various shots...including to defend better.
Jordon, when I or my partner hit a high shot I expect a smash return, so I tend to back off the line, 3 to 4 feet, and then try to reset the point. Is this a good strategy? Thanks.
Most newbie players have one common problem at the kitchen line. They are very uncomfortable and find it very difficult to be somewhat even marginally confident. Sometimes you have to move your feet while dinking and other times you don’t. It depends on where and how the ball is coming off your opponent’s paddle. Try to move on every dink and try to find the attackable ball. Develop quick hands by doing the volley drills on both F/H and B/H hits. This is sound advice for anyone hoping to refine their dinking skills. Thx for the video PTP!
Your opponent was playing off the line when being aggressive during the first demonstration. If he needs to be off the line 2 feet, you should definitely not need to be 3 feet behind the line yourself.
To the “proper stance purists”: this video was not meant to change the fundamentals or “create bad habits”. It is meant to change things up when you’re facing an opponent who has a more aggressive playing style and is getting past your defenses. To say that pros don’t get backed off the kitchen line when reacting to an offensive situation is completely ignorant. The best players get backed off the line. This method is simply a strategy to preemptively neutralize an aggressive opponent. It forces them to reassess their playing style and adjust.
@@primetimepickleball I'm going to try this strategy against one or two players only that are really good at driving the overhand top spin right back to you. They just overpower me by defeating my reaction time. This would allow me the time I need to get a paddle on the ball and stay in the point. It will be a strategy I employ only when needed. I don't like exposing my feet or giving them more attackable angles. Thanks for the food for thought.
Including pros are still lining up their feet along the kitchen...it should be discourage for doing so becuse its a bad habit forming. That way of stance it really limits your power to swing(using just upper body), reduces power, and lessen your reaction time plus inaccuracy of shot occurs. Do things using right fundamental stance.
@ Prime time Pickleball- I'm not trying to get ur feathers up, I just don't think this one is a keeper. Sometimes "a triple" is all your gonna get..😉 You've got a good channel and plenty of followers/subscribers. Enjoy...
Playing back also gives your opponent more angle space to push the ball to make you move and challenge your mobility. Short dinks make you run and extra yard on each shot. What would be within a short step are now two steps. A good cross court dink can require even more steps. In short, if you are playing someone good at dinking, playing back is going to kill you. The stress of running up to the net to get that short dink is likely of cause you to give your opponent ample kill shots.
As in the video, if the player behind the NVZ line is hitting good aggressive dinks and keeping the ball low, causing their opponent to have a low contact point, it will be very difficult for them to dink short enough to make them “run” to the net. Especially at higher levels, if a player is 2 feet behind the NVZ line, they should be able to get to any short ball in one large step.
Sorry man, Had to give this one a thumbs down. Can't get behind the "advantages " for staying off the line. If you back up, my drinks are harder to get. If you back up, my angles are increased. If you back up, I have more room to push the ball back to your backhand side. If you back up, I have more time to react to any ball you hit back at me. Etc. Etc. That said, I'll take this as a "situational " tactic at best. Hey, one clunker out of a whole bunch ain't bad. Keep it up.. Ciao-
Almost EVERY pickleball tactic is “situational”. There is never a set rule of thumb that can’t be broken. The fact is, there are top teams Dominating the game today, playing off of the NVZ line. Some do it more often than others, and it does depend on the situation and the opponent. Remember they are not staying off the line the ENTIRE game, they are picking and choosing strategic times to play off the line, to give them an offensive or defensive advantage. Turn that thumb upside down! 😊👍🏻
Was looking for a video such as this ... read some negative comments probably coming from younger players, older players such as myself (70) need a little help with reaction time backing off the NLV line does just that I think ...advantages out weigh the disadvantages
For defense, it's smart to back off the line when needed.
Jordan, this is definitely a point of "argument" for many partners. Yesterday, I played with a new partner against some very aggressive players. I played off the line to handle their fast volleys right at me. My partner kept telling me to come to the line. I know my skills and I told him that's not always true but I appreciated his comments. He just shook his head and did the eye roll thing. Not fun! Thanks for confirming my opinions and experience. :)
Nice Leslie! 😊
I also suggest that slight backing off the NVZ line for newer players that have excitable feet and tend to step into the NVZ when trying a smash. This is definitely one to share with our local group. Thanks and keep those videos coming.
👍🏻
I figured that out myself because of various fundamentals from racket sports i play. Good example of pairs that play 2 steps away from NVZ are the Waters and Zobeks....that is because they wanna attack and be staying on the offensive side throughout the game. Therefore ill take that space for my better movement to attack and to create various shots...including to defend better.
Nice! 😊
2 9k viewers to this video! Awesome!!! Keep up the good work Jordan. Miss you guys!!
Thanks Kareem!!
Jordon, when I or my partner hit a high shot I expect a smash return, so I tend to back off the line, 3 to 4 feet, and then try to reset the point. Is this a good strategy? Thanks.
Not a bad idea! 💡
Most newbie players have one common problem at the kitchen line. They are very uncomfortable and find it very difficult to be somewhat even marginally confident. Sometimes you have to move your feet while dinking and other times you don’t. It depends on where and how the ball is coming off your opponent’s paddle. Try to move on every dink and try to find the attackable ball. Develop quick hands by doing the volley drills on both F/H and B/H hits. This is sound advice for anyone hoping to refine their dinking skills.
Thx for the video PTP!
👍🏻😊
Your opponent was playing off the line when being aggressive during the first demonstration. If he needs to be off the line 2 feet, you should definitely not need to be 3 feet behind the line yourself.
To the “proper stance purists”: this video was not meant to change the fundamentals or “create bad habits”. It is meant to change things up when you’re facing an opponent who has a more aggressive playing style and is getting past your defenses. To say that pros don’t get backed off the kitchen line when reacting to an offensive situation is completely ignorant. The best players get backed off the line. This method is simply a strategy to preemptively neutralize an aggressive opponent. It forces them to reassess their playing style and adjust.
👍🏻👌🏻
@@primetimepickleball I'm going to try this strategy against one or two players only that are really good at driving the overhand top spin right back to you. They just overpower me by defeating my reaction time. This would allow me the time I need to get a paddle on the ball and stay in the point. It will be a strategy I employ only when needed. I don't like exposing my feet or giving them more attackable angles. Thanks for the food for thought.
I noticed I played notably better off the line. I appreciate this video explaining as to possibly why I do so!
😁
Including pros are still lining up their feet along the kitchen...it should be discourage for doing so becuse its a bad habit forming. That way of stance it really limits your power to swing(using just upper body), reduces power, and lessen your reaction time plus inaccuracy of shot occurs. Do things using right fundamental stance.
Not sure what “stance” you are referring to.
By lining up their feet very close before the kitchen line...
@ Prime time Pickleball-
I'm not trying to get ur feathers up, I just don't think this one is a keeper.
Sometimes "a triple" is all your gonna get..😉
You've got a good channel and plenty of followers/subscribers.
Enjoy...
To each their own Mr. Bacon 😊
Shall we say, "paddles at dawn"??
🤺🤺🎾🎾😂😂
Playing back also gives your opponent more angle space to push the ball to make you move and challenge your mobility. Short dinks make you run and extra yard on each shot. What would be within a short step are now two steps. A good cross court dink can require even more steps. In short, if you are playing someone good at dinking, playing back is going to kill you. The stress of running up to the net to get that short dink is likely of cause you to give your opponent ample kill shots.
As in the video, if the player behind the NVZ line is hitting good aggressive dinks and keeping the ball low, causing their opponent to have a low contact point, it will be very difficult for them to dink short enough to make them “run” to the net. Especially at higher levels, if a player is 2 feet behind the NVZ line, they should be able to get to any short ball in one large step.
Also this video was meant to counter bangers, not dinkers.
Sorry man,
Had to give this one a thumbs down.
Can't get behind the "advantages " for staying off the line.
If you back up, my drinks are harder to get.
If you back up, my angles are increased.
If you back up, I have more room to push the ball back to your backhand side.
If you back up, I have more time to react to any ball you hit back at me. Etc. Etc.
That said, I'll take this as a "situational " tactic at best.
Hey, one clunker out of a whole bunch ain't bad.
Keep it up..
Ciao-
Almost EVERY pickleball tactic is “situational”. There is never a set rule of thumb that can’t be broken. The fact is, there are top teams Dominating the game today, playing off of the NVZ line. Some do it more often than others, and it does depend on the situation and the opponent. Remember they are not staying off the line the ENTIRE game, they are picking and choosing strategic times to play off the line, to give them an offensive or defensive advantage.
Turn that thumb upside down! 😊👍🏻
Also this video was clearly about countering bangers, not dinkers.