Is 'Bresse gauloise' (American Bresse) Really A Good Breed??
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- I received an email from a concerned viewer. He had found a disheartening post about the dual purpose breed Bresse gauloise also called American Bresse in the U.S.
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Greenfire Farms offers stock from 5 imported lines. Bresse are expensive with Greenfire so many people are buying Bresse from breeders who bought from Greenfire so they are selling chick/eggs from stock several generations out. I guess I'm saying poor breeding is the issue. Not all breeders understand diversity on close genetic breeds. Also farms that buy poultry with intent to produce both meat/eggs and possibly sell chicks/hatch eggs, need to understand breeding principles which includes culling. You cannot simply breed rooster to hen and expect 100% product, also you cannot breed father daughter and expect breed standards after first generation.
You need to pick replacement pullets from chickens that survived a year or two against predators and still maintained the ability to forage and still maintain the ability to reproduce its likeness.
Just bought a few chicks from a reputable farmer who breeds the American Bresse. I am very excited to see how this breed will turn out. A beautiful color indeed!
I was given a couple Cornish crosses and didn’t know that one was a breese until later when I realized it had blue legs and didn’t have the wide breast like the Cornish. I looked up what it meant and turned out it was a Bresse and was dual purpose. I decided to keep her when I butchered the Cornish crosses and she started laying before my Rhode Island reds even though they’re the same age. I’m going to incubate some of her eggs and see what I get when she’s bred to my Delaware White/barred rock rooster. Hopefully they get some of her traits because I really like her.
Happy First Day of Spring!
Thanks. It snowed a bunch. ;)
First day of spring in many years that it actually didn't snow in Idaho, USA. Warmest day since last fall... 66F.
Craig Crandall Yes, our winter on the Mid-Atlantic coast was mild despite last week's Nor'easter. It wasn't as bad as what was predicted by the climatological prognosticators.
Interesting video Simeon. We take for granted that chickens are a simple animal but in fact they are very complex. Thank you for the enlightenment. Happy first day of Spring.
Thanks. You too.
The recreational homestead in Michigan…has American bresse. I bought some. Very good quality
Thank you for your videos. I really appreciate you taking time to educate us.
Very logical reasoning and a very good friends circle!
You are on the right track man
Simeon I think you are 100 percent right about the genetic pool of the Bresse chicken in America. If you are going to breed them you need to order from more than one breeder.
They all came from greenfire originally. Good luck.
Don't know much about different chicken breeds but my Bresse doing great, have processed a few last week and now know to go on with the Bresse breed. (from the Netherlands), thanks Simeon for all the info.
In the USA we have made some horrible genetic decisions regarding small livestock/ chickens.
We looked into Bresse when you told us about them, and could only find one source in the U.S. we also saw the reports of defects. We decided that until more blood lines are imported, they would not be a viable option, and were very expensive in any case.
I understand there are some issues appearing around the silkie breed, specifically regarding the frizzle trait. Apparently breeding frizzles with other frizzles results in a double frizzle gene, and it produces defects.
We found similar problems in dog breeding. One of the variants of an Australian shepherd is the merle coat allele. This s a coat with a patchwork of different color combinations. If you breed a Merle with another Merle, you get double Merle gene, with a one in four chance of getting serious birth defects including deafness.
I believe that it is for this reason that we have hybrids like Texas heeler. It is a cross between an Australian shepherd, and a Queensland heeler. Since the Queensland heeler has no Merle gene, they are safe to breed with Australian Shepherds that have the Merle gene. Australian shepherds may not show signs of the Merle gene, but can still have is, so the only safe way to breed them is to have expensive genetic testing done. The offspring don't breed true, which is a pity, since they make great dogs.
In the U.S. we have a number of issues with animal genetics, that I believe have to do with lack of training, or regulation. Perhaps it's not as prevalent in cattle, as the tend to cost a lot more, making people pay more attention to genetics.
Is it true that in Sweden you have to have training in agriculture to buy a farm?
Thanks for sharing. I think in most cases people are just reproducing smaller livestock and not breeding and selecting the animals.
Anyone can buy a farm and go for it to my knowledge. But there are regulations that have to be met which require some knowledge. However if you want to receive certain benefits and business grants you have to proof that you are educated or have a long term experience within agriculture.
Very credible analysis of possible reasons for differences.
The name of the farm is Sunbird Farms and they gave up on the Bresse. The farm does cite that it is due to the lack of genetic diversity in the US. Other videos report of problems with the feet of the US American Bresse from GFF. GFF had a bad batch of Cream Legbars when they first introduced them to the US so hopefully in the future they will have more lines of American Bresse. It looks like they are only selling the white American Bresse at this time.
Bresse chicken in USA. Call my good friend Chase. From The Recreational homestead is RUclipsr ! Does spiral breeding. 3 groups he has! He puts rubber bands 3 colors so you know what breeding group it’s from. Has 5 chock minimum! I got bunch from him beautiful birds. Always throws extra in box. He is in Michigan he also has jersey cows and does heard share(sells milk)
BRESSE IS THE BEST!!!!
I have 55+ from 16 weeks to day old! Tell Chase mike sent you!! Good video my friend
Have you ever tried shipping Bresse eggs to the U S?
Great and thorough assessment.
Your reasoning makes sense, interesting talk.
hi i have Canadian bresse chickens aka American bresse 2 of my roostera only got up to 4lbs feed growere up to 20 weeks than tryed goats milk and crack corn, any sugestions ? i have on youtube 2 videos of canadian breese .
I've finally seen a guy with more FIREWOOD than me.
Wonder if crossing American Bresse with another, similar breed such as the White Rock, would help to fix the genetic problems of not having enough blood lines here?
We BREED and ship this breed in the USA :)
Hi Simeon,I have read that the Bresse eggs have fragile shells,have you found this also?
Simeon, do you sell fertile eggs for Bresse? I'm just curious if you do, because in about 14 months I'll be moving to the family farm and I want chickens too. I just don't know if you sell fertile eggs or where I should go to buy chicks.
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No Bresse in Westeros?
Hi Simeon! My name is Eugene, I live in Ukraine. Your video was very informative and explained a lot to me. I am interested to get some Bresse hatching eggs from Germany. Would you be willing to share the contacts of German Bresse breeders from whom you are buying hatching eggs?
Sorry that either YT or you have removed the date from your video. lt matters to me, and so, no thumbs up wi/o date. l see the comments were made 4 years ago.
We live in Australia and there has only been one successful importation of Bresse chickens in the entire country. The importers have sold the rights to breed this chicken to a single entity and so it is not possible to get any for backyard breeding.
I've heard that they don't do very well in our climate. There is allegedly, a hybrid in production that will suit the climate.
The Bresse is good in cold weather obviously but how about hot weather in Texas?
I was wondering the same thing..
@@shaker4891 Australia is saying it's a no go, so I'm thinking heat and humidity they're struggle. you've lots of choices as alternatives.
I disagree with you about many things but with this, we are of one mind. With no other options available in the U.S., I would (might) cross a Bresse cock over some Black Australorp hens and also a few white Jersey Giant hens. Then use the get from these crossings to work back under pure Bresse cocks.
It would take only about three generations of using pure Bresse cocks to produce what would be essentially pure (enough) birds to be called American Bresse.
Your thoughts????
try a leghorn breed crossed with you Bresse great egg layers
Please, I would like to buy eggs for incubation. Is it possible? Thank you
I have not seen anyone compare the Bresse to the Marans.., the marans are also exceptional egg layers, but they appear to have a good bit of meat on them. Has anyone culled marans for meat?
How did your Bielefelder Breese cross turn out? I have the Bielefelder as well.
Would you say the Bielefelder is your second choice if you cannot get Bresse?
We understand what you are saying. I think you took about five minutes longer than you needed to. I think you have made a good case for Bresse chickens.
I think everything in between "We understand what you're saying and I think you've made a good case for Bresse chickens" was just uncalled for. - But that's just my opinion.
We? Well I am not a part of we and I approve of this message.
I am a little concerned now because the Bresse in America are $29 a chick with minimum of 6 chicks w/ $30 shipping. $200 for unsexed chicks.
I was really hoping for the good meat, quick growing and early laying. I’m panicking a bit here....
thanks great information
I see at the rooster and hens bald spots around the tail. An idea why that is?
Otto Boswinkel violent bleeding by roosters or moulting.
hi there i like your flock and have question
,,,do bresse roosters get yellowish feathers as they grow ?
I was going to get a bresse rooster and he has yellowish feather and when asked the breeder said thats normal but i didn't like it so is that true base on your experience... any info would be appreciated. thanks
It is MONDAY HERE TOO!! Cheers.
There is nothing wrong with Bresse. They may have used inferior roosters ?
Great info!
Another interesting video! Thank you.
Nothing to do with chickens, but you are standing in front of a pile of fire wood and it interests me. The pieces seem to be split into smaller cross-section and longer than what we split here. I noticed on you parents blog, they showed pictures of what appears to be a built-in ceramic/masonry stove which I have never seen before. Could you produce a video on that style of stove and wood heating in general? Would be interesting, at least to me. Thank you. Have a good one! >
He's already made several videos of this topic, including a great one about the vintage stoves in his house. Check out the video list on his website.
It's a classic masonry heater we call "Kakelugn" in swedish based on a design from mid 1700's made by -> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Johan_Cronstedt.
He probably cuts it in 1m(3feet) lenghts to easily be able to get it home manually from the woods, but will be forced to cut it 3 or 4 times before putting it in the fireplace.
Thank you. I totally missed the videos and I thought I had looked at all of them. All of his videos are excellent. I will go back and look again.
Thank you. Our "standard" length of fire wood here is 16". Normally it is cut to length where the tree is dropped or the log is taken to the fire wood yard to be cut there. Either way, the blocks are normally split in the yard and stacked. The masonry stove looks to be similar to what we call a "Russian stove" here. Very few folks build them.
Lieber Simeon, ich habe eine Frage zu einer Aussage von dir. Du sagst, dass es deutsche Züchter gibt, die direkt aus Frankreich importieren. Ich habe bis jetzt nur gelesen, dass es unter französischen Züchtern verbreitet ist, keine Bruteier oder Hühner abzugeben. Dass es sogar einen eigenen engen Zuchtring für die Gourmet Restaurants gibt, die die hochklassigsten Bresse halten. Falls diese Züchter aber tatsächlich direkt importieren, kannst du mir einen(-ige) nennen? Danke für deine Zeit, Geflügel HNZ
Hallo. Soweit ich gehört habe importiert hetzenecker-kueken.de/ Zuchttiere aus Frankreich und auch www.bressegauloise.de hat z.B. einen Hahn fuer den Zuchtring direkt aus Frankreich bezogen. www.1a-ei.de/ Haben mir auch gesagt, dass Sie zuvor aus Frankreich (direkt oder indirekt weiss ich nicht) bekommen haben.
Swedish Homestead Danke! Ja das klingt seriös :)
Geflügel HNZ Hallo, habe gerade 33 Bruteier Bresse Gauloise im Brüter, werden nächste Woche schlüpfen. Bin schon sehr gespannt, wie sich die Tiere entwickeln.
Ich habe meine Bruteier auch in Deutschland gekauft, ich habe für Bruteier Preise von 1 bis 3,60 € plus Versand angeboten bekommen. Die beiden von Simeon genannten Adressen habe ich mir für die Zukunft auch gespeichert, da ich die Bresse züchten möchte.
Nächsten Monat bekomme ich auch noch Küken, der französischen Nackthalshühner, soll ebenfalls eine Delikatesse sein und sind schwer zu finden.
Gruß aus dem Saarland
G. Zimmer
I wish I had some of the ones like you have.
Very interesting! I have a question. When a breed is brought to America, do they bring the actual chickens or do they send fertile eggs?
I would think it is eggs in almost all cases.
Gerry Marmee There is a 30 day quarantine. Can't be cheap. www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/animal-and-animal-product-import-information/import-live-animals/sa_avian/ct_commercial_birds/!ut/p/z1/hVHRboJAEPwaH3H3uOtx9A0oEVurKYrKvTSgCKTIGaQS_75oTRNjxXvb25md2R2QsARZRoc8jepclVHR1qHkn2PiDFAwMhq4LwQtzxy-eQbHCeGwOANGE-YQe4qjydzjaLmzYDYWxB6aOsirNnPttu0b76471NHXL3y88yx8xJ9DaEPoRyT6sC7DOtzKbq0FyE49Qm8At_s-Eglbk8Zdkx6DxSFPGghKVW3bBKanibtVvoYw5jp9MthK41SsNbZZCy2iyLREjwVFYpqCM_AQXs8WukJz_k4myQmeFir-TdsqYypSkFWySaqk6n9X7XdW17v9cw972DRNP1UqLZL-Sm17-B8lU_saltdI2G2DoDxqX75oZpusEEdapD8_YJhQ/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/?urile=wcm%3Apath%3A%2Faphis_content_library%2Fsa_our_focus%2Fsa_animal_health%2Fsa_import_into_us%2Fsa_entry_requirements%2Fsa_avian%2Fct_commercial_birds
Have you hatched some more chicks already, or are those still coming? We've seen your incubator and you've spoken several times of your expansion of the number of layers but not shown any hatched chicks since the 29th of december. I'm guessing you're in your fourth or even fifth round of hatching if running continuously. Can you speak about that a little? Maybe a current news on the farm segment?
+ceselb yes! Coming up!
How you ever tried the Swedish Flowering Hen?? I feel like that would be right up your alley! 😉
How can I order some.
Do you ship Bresse to the USA? If so, how do I order chicks? We love your channel. Very informative and we are just starting our homestead in Texas.
Did u get bresse outside greenfire farms?
Are you able to tell the sex of chicks?
Can Bress eggs be imported to the US?
Difficult process but yes.
Swedish Homestead
Can you send to Egypt
Bresse Gauloise is approved as a variety in the EE standard, La Bresse that is used to be called is not allowed anymore, due to the french that want to protect this variety, like Champagne is not allowed to be called that outside the Champagne district. In all the rest of the world they should be called Bresse Gauloise.
I think everyone should just mix all chicken and forget about heritage breeds. Mixing breeds makes a better chicken.
But the characteristics are not inherited by the grandchildren which makes controlled selection and breeding programs impossible.
Snow there -- high of 87F here. :)
+John Marquardt that is about as hot as it get here in summer!
Back to the 50's and 60's for the foreseeable future. I did like seeing the snow.
Not especially!
Just when I thought I had regained my sanity after the crazy BS I've been through over this past year, I seem to have stomped around in the tall weeds long enough to step into a new pile of ##IT. I had all my breeding plans worked out and all was full speed ahead but...a lady in Jeffersontown Indiana (just across the river from Louisville) offered me 5 young American Bresse pullets that are out of birds her 'wife' ordered from Florida. I should have said NO for a hundred reasons but the one that first comes to mind the fact that some of their siblings were hatched with "feet problems".
Many folks think they are being bred too close due to the very narrow genetic bottle-neck of the breed in this country. I had mentioned to them that I would half-way like to take a shot at them in a small way but didn't say what I would do. What I should do is wring their necks and forget about it but I'm just intrigued enough to give it a shot.
My Hillbilly helpers are returning this spring to help me again because they really had a good time while they were here last and had good use for the money. I go ahead and mention my plans in this paragraph...My helpers are going to bring me 3 seasoned Black Australorp cocks from Jason and I plan to cross them over the Bresse...injecting some seriously needed ultra-wild genetic material...then pick out the best phenotypically correct male offspring back over the pure American Bresse hens....
Why??? Because I can. What do you think @Kev ?
turk australorp Sounds great. Do you have an update?