The Myth of the Golden Ratio in Nature (It's Not Magic)
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
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The #GoldenRatio is so famous that it’s borderline ethereal! If you only read the internet then you'd expect all sunflowers, nautilus shells and ancient buildings would fit with the golden spiral, but out in the world... they don't! The #Fibonacci Sequence has been used by authors and filmmakers as nature’s secret code, but it ain’t! Designers and photographers love the golden spiral, architects adore it, and though Phi is absolutely a useful and wonderful irrational number in mathematics, you’d be amazed to find it’s actually NOT a mystical rule that nature follows.
What is this golden ratio REALLY? Correlation, not causation.
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Nautlius had an amazing write up on this exact same topic
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The PLoS One study where they looked at the sunflowers using open science initiative isn’t just great because it was the inspiration for this story, but it’s also a great example of how science can be accomplished with the partnership of citizen scientists and professional researchers! Yay!
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Want to know more about pseudo-intellectual bullpoopy? Of course you do. Here’s some write ups:
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And here’s the original 2015 paper:
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P.S - Obviously I’m not a mathematician, I just do science communication so I can’t describe all the ways ɸ is amazing for math (which I am sure there are numerous). If you know a few, why not school us in the comments? These videos aren’t meant to be “everything you need to know” more an exploration of curiosity and where it can take you/challenge you!
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I was making some research about the golden ratio in photography and filmmaking and it appeared clear to me that most of the examples were more stretched to fit the theory than organic proves!
Yes! There are even a bunch of thumbnails on RUclips that use the Golden Ratio/Spiral to illustrate their points but they are very obviously stretched to fit their subject matter. So weird.
@@TraceDominguez Hey, you gotta talk about something or people will forget you haha
Does it make it more aesthetically appealing tho when they stretch certain images or subjects to fit the golden ratio?
It’s the same with music too. It’s a totally arbitrary rule that one person in the 1800s made up and almost no actual composers follow
Although it’s stretched, the growth of the spiral is still fairly fixed. You can’t stretch it to form for example a spiral that stays equidistant, or that grows rather than shrinks. You can’t distort it to become a square, or a totally different pattern. I don’t think there’s anything exact or special about “1.168etc”, but the idea of spiral growth in a roughly 2:3 or 3:2 exponential pattern (not a math person so I hope what I mean by that translates) is undeniably there.
I was at a Mexican restaurant and when the chips arrived they were perfectly arranged in the Golden Spiral!
It was synchronicity! Those chips gave my life meaning!
I will never forget the day I ate fibo-nachos.
Mmmm fibo-nachos
Ohhhh dearrr
What an hilarious kabbalist, glad you found some meaning of life while pondering about the golden ratio in a mexican restaurant though.
May God bless you, Christ is king. 🙂
2:40 I started questioning your rationale. The views are not “arbitrary”, the cross sections of animals and plants are specific definable features of the way they grow. You never see the golden ratio from some weird 3/4 view. It’s either along the side or front plane of an object. “Side” and “front” are not arbitrary, they are based around the symmetry that everything or at least almost everything in nature has to some degree or another. The side of a Shell is close to the golden ratio, the front or top plane of a flower or succulent. Of course it’s not exactly 1.618...etc, but it’s very close. Nothing in nature is truly “perfect”.
As I continue watching the video I realize you are approaching this from the perspective of disproving that scientifically ALL things follow the golden ratio. I know you’re a science guy so that totally makes sense. but I think this ratio is something that appears often enough in nature and aesthetically pleasing composition to be considered at the very least more than a total coincidence. As an artist I can attest that there is something there. It’s not a hard science mathematical magical god thing that all of nature follows, but its also more than just a random correlation we bend over backwards to see like astrology.
j0eycans thank you! I agree with your take. I’ve never thought that phi is an exact measurement that alll of nature follows but it shows up often enough in nature and art that it’s a very interesting pattern so I don’t see what’s so wrong with other people getting excited about it?
@@SamoGingerYes3 Where does it show up in nature though? In 80% of sunflowers? Okay. How about the shells? j0eycans said it's not exact but "close". How close does it have to be? 1.62? 1.6? What about 1.5? What's the cutoff, in your opinion? How many things in nature are "close" to other ratios which are also close to the GR? 3/2, 8/5, etc. Hopefully you see what Trace was trying to say. If it's "close" to the goldie ray, it's also close to a lot of other neat looking ratios.
I would usually look at those 'wow look at the GR (I shall refer to it as the goldie ray from now on) in this [thing]' (not the silly ones, serious textbooks and websites) with an overlaid snail shell line and feel like I'm dumb because I couldn't see what the line was supposed to be going through. Now I know, it was nothing.
EXACTLY. The line was stretched and squeezed to match the thing that they wanted you to see. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Let's be real, it's cool because Part 7 of JoJo's bizarre adventure uses the Golden Rectangle as the basis for the story's power source
That's right, it's a mf JoJo's reference
I love that the Golden Ratio is further proof that humans can find patterns in anything.
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Yes, because pattern recognition is a survival trait.
Logic does not justify reality since reality can be debated against itself.
Ahh watching this video was so satisfying!! I remember a couple of years ago when I was at architecture school we had this lecture about the golden ratio and everyone was amazed by the pictures while I was just sitting there feeling confused to see that in half of these pictures it was just forced on the building or painting, and it was so obvious that if the original designers or painters had considered it they wouldn't have failed to make their work perfectly fit! Weirdly enough I've never agreed on that with any of my colleagues and most of them started applying it obsessively on their poor designs to make them "Devine ". So thank you for this video because now I can finally stop thinking that there's something wrong with me because I don't get to see what they see! 😂
Fib ratios have made me good money by using them in the stock market. From a psychological and human perspective its always been neat knowing that they are found in dynamic markets
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One of my conservative friends superimposed the golden ratio over Trump's side profile and I said it was the rare occurrence of the Fibbonazi sequence and he unfriended me.
People want to believe things, especially if they reinforce already-held beliefs
@@TraceDominguez True. I consider it a case of the trash taking itself out.
@@hotsistersue , yep, that was a friend worth losing.
However you are the one who stated your prejudices and trashed the POTUS.
People who like to throw around that term usually have an ignorance of its real meaning..just saying.
Its just that it is extremely interesting imho that our universe tends to be so mathematical/informational. The fact that PI has been known to show up where circles aren't even involved is another good one. Agreed that such things tend to get blown out of proportion to fit narratives though.
Totally!
I would say it's not that the universe is mathematical, but that our math is universal :D
IceMetalPunk good one
With a large enough set of random data you can grab examples that “prove” any assumption
That is very true. Cherry Picking.
all i want to know is how to make every cell in somebody's body spin infinitely after shooting a finger nail on a horse
Yeah
7:00 to 7:10 Trace makes a very good observation that should be quoted here
thanks!
@@TraceDominguez thank you for continuing to make really great quality videos with top rated material I like the way that you summarize what you're saying and the way you Captivate attention anytime there's a video with Trace I know that I'm going to have a good use of my time thanks
I saw a documentary hosted by John Cleese, in which a plastic surgeon said that the golden ratio was a guide to beautiful faces. Is there any basis for that?
probably a statistical analysis of what we think are nice looking faces? But otherwise, nah.
you got so much wrong tho....
If the golden ratio is showing up in 80% of various categories of things, then it seems like it's something rather than nothing. Measure your arm and check it out
Isn't this a question begging fallacy? I could be wrong, if there are phlosophy students watching this feel free to correct me. I am interested in understanding the way the universe works without a bias.
someone has to disagree. Things don’t exactly follow the exact golden ratio just really close to it. The amazing thing is that it’s still actually followed through on the different levels of life all the way to outer space. Is that pretty amazing I think so!! So did you make up your video or did you read it from someone else’s information
I'm hesitant to foster the "anti" disposition because it's essentially insubstantial, but I see two points here. One, that "Fibbi G" doesn't so perfectly structure all things in the universe and two, that if they are influential or blueprint-ey there must still be room for mutation/evolution/differentiation of some sort.
My take on it is that the universe is like fibonnaci, never achieving the perfection of the golden spiral but striving ever closer to it. Although with all the different systems in play in the universe (such as those described in science and math) it makes perfect sense that Fibbi G overlaps and causes distortions in differentiated systems.
For instance, the physical structure of something is only one aspect of it's development and can be influenced by it's chemical or biological development. Any influence would obviously shift it away from a perfect expression of either Fibbi or G.
Finally - someone talking sense! Coincidence vs. Correlation vs. mystical "Woo". Thanks Trace, you're a star! 👍😘
THANK YOU! Yeah, metaphysics is fun. :)
EFFICIENT- glad you mentioned this. Nature just takes the easiest most efficient means due to all of the laws of physics and biological principles in things like evolution. As far as in art, it seems to me that Fibby-G (lol) is just an easy way to ensure symmetry which IS proven to be aesthetically pleasing in many instances. Like facial symmetry... it seems to convey some underlying signs of good genetics. Think about it- someone who has a nose that is 20 degrees off or if an eye is an inch lower on one side- we like symmetry for good reasons. Simply put, symmetry is usually a good thing. Think about architecture for example- symmetrical frames distribute weight evenly. If the tread wear on your car tires is symmetrical, it leads to better handling. A symmetrical shelf doesn't just LOOK pleasing, it's structurally more reliable. Bottom line, this is a matter of symmetry more than anything else, and imposing the golden ratio is a cheat code to reliably build symmetry into things whether by nature or design.
from one perspective you are correct... but form the correct perspective you are wrong... perspective is what makes difference in most cases. so keeping perspective can be equally important to see all angles.
5:45 Isn't it because that way the flowers can fit its seeds as densely as possible?
It is! It accidentally hit upon this method, similar to leaves and other things that golden ratioed, but that doesn’t mean it’s a rule, or that it’s a magical ratio. It’s just math.
Trace Dominguez how is the ratio for efficient life not a law or magical
@@ethank5681 because nothing in nature is a perfect circle, or a perfect ratio... close is subjective... is 1.75 close to 1.6? Does your eye see that minor variation, or does your brain automatically assign a pattern to order the chaos around you
Zach Davis it’s not about life being perfect, it’s about life trying to be perfect .. hence your point the brain looking for a pattern/ideal
@@ethank5681 you're projecting personification on "life" and your premise of perfection is totally subjective. The golden ratio isn't perfect, it's an irrational number.
Go outside and look at a random flower and count the petals. 9/10 times its gonna be the fibonaci sequence. If you find a 4 leaf clover its not luck but its so rare in nature because its not the golden sequence. But still I agree that people look for it everywhere and therefore see it everywhere like in stock markets lol.
The Golden Mean is a universal guide. The Golden Rule is a universal rule.
It’s sad to see you are so “meh” about it.
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*insert meme of just let people enjoy things here* 😂😂😂 getting excited about the golden ratio doesn’t hurt anyone and it’s a very interesting pattern that we can find in many many parts of nature! I’m glad you shared your perspective, you’re very well spoken and thoughtful. I’m not stuck on “god” being an all knowing designer of life but it just feels right to observe life, knowing that there is intentional purpose and design without feeling to need to analytically pick it apart. And why not just let people enjoy something that they find as a fascinating pattern throughout life that speaks to the universe having an intentional design and not just being random. I agree, it’s clear that goldy ray isn’t everywhere in nature and I don’t agree with fanatics who act like it’s the only preferred pattern but it’s just a fascinating pattern that gives people a sense of meaning to life so why not let them enjoy it without feeling the need to pick it apart -speaking from experience because I do this too but it’s much less satisfying than finding meaningful patterns in the universe and letting yourself get excited about the idea that there is conscience design to why we are here and the amazing and perfect way that life sustains itself in unlikely circumstances
What fun is science if you can't pick things apart! I'm not saying don't enjoy it. I'm just debunking the metaphysics of it
Thank you for posting this.
I've always been skeptical about the "golden ratio". It seems more like an obsession than an actual thing.
Just like the movie, The Number 23.
This video didn't debunk much tbh. It's not about the Golden Ratio/Fibonacci Sequence being magical, it's about the fact that whenever this pattern is found within nature, the structure tends to be structurally sound.
For instance DNA's so structurally sound that it can theoretically store 200 exabytes, or 200,000,000 terabytes of information in just a single gram.
Its structure also follows the fibonacci sequence.
So what's "magical" about it is once this sequence/ratio is achieved, it's almost like optimized evolution.
You touched on it for a second, but the golden ratio is also found a lot of times in the faces of people we find attractive. It's just optimized evolution. So if you find it in nature you can assume that it's an optimized structure.
Icee yess! I find it so much more satisfying to think of it this way. It’s not “magical” because it’s not something that randomly happens but it is magical in the sense that it speaks to nature having preferences that optimize life experience and growth, which is a pretty beautiful thing
wow, i was reading Uzumaki, The Spiral Obsession, and this pop up, this is creepy
ITS ALL CONNECTED!
I'd love a companion clip to this one on the other metallic ratios? I touch on the golden mean in my art class and try to make the point you do here - useful not mystical. And I think partly like a lot of composition tools, they work in large part due to their familiarity, maybe echoed in some natural forms but we've been using it in art so long it's graphically canonical, like a good pop music rift.
It's always struck me as interesting that the other metallic ratios don't get the same kind of love.
Some of the root system I suspect would overlap (another way of coming up with proportional frames and subdavisions of the image plane).
Interesting! I like this concept a lot. I’ll add it to my list to look into !
I feel a little bit stupid not knowing this, but, I guess I don't feel so bad since I never really understood what made the "golden ratio" so special to look at in the first place.
I didn’t either, when I started this!
Hi Trace! Always good to hear from you :)
It seems like something was wrong with your microphone today. But great video topic!
Yes, I compensated for that the best I could :)
It’s good to keep track of myths to practice critical thinking to not be duped in the future. I remember when there were a bunch of vids talking about the magic of golden ratio then shortly after a bunch more vids debunking them. This teaches to take new knowledge with a grain of salt until it stands the test of time.
I'm glad I searched for a second video after seeing one using this sequence to promote a belief in a god with how perfect our world was made. I hope more people who see vids like that find yours. I love reality over my wants.
I learnt the golden ratio when completing the square in high school.
It's a super important ratio to know!
Sometime you are saying nature does not follow mathematical laws (we humans who are prone to imagine patterns just project them into a chaotic system and assume the math is causal when it isn't) and then other times you say the mathematical patterns are a non-causal consequence of underlining causal laws (which themselves are presumably mathematical. ). Either way, if the best way for a flower to survive is to arrange its leaves in a golden proportion, then that does make this ratio special, because it CAUSES survival (though presumably not the arrangement that results in survival.). Its like the hexagonal pattern of honeycombs, or the game theory behind pigeon movements - the bee and pigeon are not aware of the elegant math, but those patterns are there and they cause certain benefits which the mathematical biologist can explain.
I'm glad you are giving the smackdown to these profound but overly simplistic memes of how the universe is structured. Part of me thinks, though, the reason these seem so profound is that we evolved in an environment that made these structures probably less and naked to the human eye. Giant, cosmic space whales are probably chatting about how "everything is just spheres and disks all the way down, man", because they can't see the resolution of what's on those spheres.
Maybe! The thing is, once we know NEW things we're really bad at spreading that knowledge to everyone. Instead, we double down on the things we knew and start adding our own crazy.
The Golden Ratio is not about perfection in nature based on the aesthetic geometry. This video actually misses the esoteric point of it's significance. Someone who wants people to listen to their opinions via youtube videos for self validation still does so out of depravity of self and will not see the meaning behind Phi and the Golden Ratio. EOS.
What IS it about?
This comment does not have anything to do with the video (though I will open a little section to mention that I'm happy that you made this video, because I never took the golden ratio so seriously but it did seem legitimate most of the time that it was mentioned, anyway thanks for clearing up this topic a bit more)
But anyway what I mainly want to ask is, what do you shower with?
(awkward silence pause...)
I mean, you said in another video that you do not like to use the plastic shower sponges that can be harmful for the environment, and since I've wanted to know what the eco friendly alternative would be, thanks in advance! Awesome video as always.
Probably actual sponges?
@@TraceDominguez lol okay thanks!
Those 20% of sunflowers are rebels 🤣🌻
As if I needed another reason to love Trace! I've always been skeptical of those pictures showing flowers and other things fitting perfectly in a picture of the golden ratio spiral
YAY!
Just Here. That is not the point at all. The chap who made this video is simply narrow minded.
you made me laugh out loud with your mention of a "benevolent and bearded creator woman" HAHAHAHAHAHa! You're great Trace :) I really enjoyed this video, like the debunking of this sort of "Common knowledge" that has spread through the internet.
Thanks Karina! And good catch 😎
My remedial math class in college spent like a month on this
It's easy to get people excited, and the ratio itself is fascinating!
I have a perfect impossible pentagram made out of wrinkles on my left hand....
Apparently a single line of the pentagram divided into its three sections represents the golden ratio...
Its pretty weird...
This video seems to be committing the error of demanding purity, and rejecting anything simply "close enough".
Of course specific nautilus shells and sunflowers don't perfectly fit either the ratio or Fibonacci sequence. But that they average out to very close IS a part of nature, not a coincidence:
Many things develop, naturally, in a cumulative way. Their growth is based on their previous size. The angle of change of a shell or row of microflowers can be strongly influenced by the previous span of shell or flowers. The last two spans may generate the angle that creates the next span, albeit roughly because of other factors.
The same argument can be made for the relationship of fractals to nature.
That these things aren't perfect doesn't mean they aren't genuinely occurring and special.
This isn't a matter of mere coincidence. It just isn't as superior and absolute as, say, a mathematician may wish.
Kepler and his orbits made of perfect solids demonstrates how someone a little too focused on mathematics can lose track of how organic reality is by contrast.
VERY interesting. Great job Trace!
You need to put some sound dampening in. The echo is annoying and easily remedied. :)
Hey thanks for that unwanted and unneeded critique!~ I have been doing this for about a decade and when your main mic fails and your rode shotgun Backup is all you got, you run with it. Be happy there was a backup and thanks for watching!
@@TraceDominguez Hey thanks for the unwanted and unneeded reply!~ I'm sure you've learned a lot in the "decade" you've been doing this. Especially lessons like, equipment fails but sound panels are passive so they don't. Also, I couldn't care less if you publish a video or not, it's you trying to grow the channel Beavis. Thanks for the reply!
There are no coincidences my friend who only thinks physical.
So you explained that nature does not follow the fibonacci sequence while also saying a lot of nature follows the fibonacci sequence...??? "The pedals on a flower follow it just because it's effecient" So it follows it... So the fibonacci sequence is in nature..
I noticed the LSD culture loves this to prove some special meaning (of course)
Ryan Hutton. Mankind used and learned from entheogens since far prehistory. Through it humans developed abstract thought, which made it possible to devise plans for the future and understand the laws of natural growth, which mathematicians proved to be inherent in the Fibonacci numbers and the Golden Ratio.
Great video! You keep it interesting and manage to say a lot without getting to technical and confusing.
So glad I found this channel, great content!
Nature is a balance between Chaos and Order. Golden Ratio and Fibonacci are like 1st order rules, or foundational "big chunks" that give Nature a framework to evolve within, describing how many natural phenomena would self-organize absent external forces. Trace acknowledges that the chaotic behaviors (weather, predator/prey interactions, geography, stock market) can be described by Fractals, which are really just layers of ratios and constants iteratively applied on top of each other until they match what we observe. This argument obscures the fact that the Golden Ratio is itself a Fractal. Scientists are starting to show that certain segments of genetic code common to most life correlate with specific Fractal patterns and are likely to "code" those fractal behaviors into our growth and evolution. A coded behavior is not the same as a coded rule, and is subject to all of the chaotic inputs that change how life actually manifests (i.e. a windstorm damages a tree and sets it growing off the mean described by the Golden Ratio).
This video attempts to debunk a natural phenomenal by looking at anecdotal (outlier) evidence instead of statistical probability. Golden Ratio describes nature at a 1st order fractal level, and we need to apply many more layers to describe what we see in the real world. It is disingenuous to attempt to discard a promising fundamental theory because one can't distinguish between behavioral and absolute rules.
Check out "On Growth and Form" by D'arcy Thompson, golden ratio aside, the spiral growth from permeates all...if you focus on the exact ratio you're really missing the point.
The golden Ratio is the most irrational number and thus useful for many mechanisms in nature and engineering
"Bearded creator woman" -- I love this so much that I'd use it myself if it wasn't more likely to make people angry at me.
MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY. A diety doesn’t have a gender. If someone believes it does, they damn well should have a reason (and they won’t)
@@TraceDominguez I mean, they will have a reason, it just won't be good. But then again, that's kind of a trait of all religious reasoning in general. It doesn't stop them from believing it and getting angry at anyone saying anything different.
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Considering the Dunning-Kruger effect I gotta say take this with a grain a salt (or an entire shaker).
I think the gender stuff with the creator god is used to display position of relationship.
A father of a child begins by planting his seed inside of the mother. The mother gives its body and essence (the resources) to form the child. Then the child emerges from the mother to begin life as we know it.
God the father (which is the rules of the universe the logic used to form and maintain everything...AKA the Word)
"planted" his law or seed or data into the earth using the atoms of the dust to form humans. The earth gave from its self to build the body of humans (God's children I guess)
Humans came out of mother earth. Mother earth bore humans via the data planted or used by God the father to form the body structure of us humans. The model of him being a father goes much further but I'm still learning so ima stop here.
It's a way to convey position of relationship simple as that I'm starting to think.
Anyway...that's my 2 cents.
I dig you...peace much love. I learn alot from you and your multiple channels. You a 😎 knowledge pimp.
Subbed! Golden ratio mysticism always sounded like complete nonsense to me... because it is. (Tool is still a cool band though.)
fun math fact: not only is phi irrational, it is THE MOST irrational number possible
Welcome!!
Every other video seems to take the 'aesthetically inherently pleasing to humans' as a given.
Either represented by the symbol fee or fi or fo or fum
It’s not about perfectly fitting, that’s just the ideology of thinking things that are perfect fitting is right. The scale shows how imperfect these things are, yet appear so similar in all these points in this world and the world outside us. You’re just take it to too much of a perfect extent. That’s not the main point. These are a tool to find the answers, and you’re looking at it from a perspective that can be used to actually find the real reasons behind all this...
Watch Vieharts video, you haven't converted me yet Trace, I'm still an stuck-in-the-mud devotee of the Golden Ratio
also the Illuminati.
And parasocial bestie of Trace.
Let us have fun with numbers, if it gets people interested in math instead of the flat Earth because they feel like the golden ratio gives them hidden or esoteric knowledge, I'm down. I was obsessed with it in college. I got over it but I still find it neat.
THAT I totally agree with. I think the MATH part is amazing, it's taking that incredible math and applying to other things that bothers me so. We see it all the time in pseudo-intellectual BS circles! People learn a little about something in one field of science and then apply that elsewhere without doing any of the science in that new realm. Hypothetical, but believable, example: Quantum mechanics might be the underpinnings of atomic energy! Wooo what if it's ALSO the underpinnings and source of our consciousness!!! OOOOOOOO. Let's talk about that and how that might work and then use a bunch of nonsense words to rationalize it! End hypothetical, but believable, scenario. I hope you love the math of the Golden Ratio! I hope you also don't think it's a rule of nature :)
@@TraceDominguez I think the only rule of nature might be that nature defies rules. Many, many years ago I met an old Buddhist monk who told me "the universe is not ruled by law but by habit." Within the implicate order of things, where there is coherency, the one thing I see the most is beauty and the one thing I don't see is redundancy. :)
When I see people go gaga over Fibonacci, the reason why is simply because it's an iconic form of recursion and recursion does make up the world. The take away? People like icons. =)
wrong microphone was used? also should place your new videos in your Home tab on your channel.
You should do the old skool d-news type podcast of broken down topics, they were cool.
Yes, I compensated for that mic issue the best I could :)
No plants or trees were harmed in the making of this video. But I’m still lowering the flag for all the plants that died during evolution.
*taps plays*
so how do you explain that the most attractive male shoulders to waist ratio for women is the golden ratio?... for example...
Nature doesn't make straight lines... Or perfectly curved ones.
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Space and physics is a part of nature. Crystal atom arrangements? Although the Earth is wider at the equator so it's not a perfect sphere. What about Saturn's hexagon storm? Or beehive hexagons? Most efficient shape.
Have you SEEN your eyeballs??
please continue to debunk bullshit many people fall for, it is very satisfying and edifying to watch
only one of the links work, and the link to the source doesn't work :/ wish I could read the study! It seemed interesting, and also hilarious.
YES! Because IF one ratio could be used to describe ALL nature, we wouldn't have Physics. We "discovered" the world around us using science/math. This relationship is FAR from complete, and we're STILL finding out cool things in nature, using both science and math. Never EVER trust something that says "everything follows this", there's always an exception. We LOVE science because of it's great diversity.
Not all things follow Fibby G, only 'perfect' forms. It's an mathematical aspiration, not a requirement of nature to exist. To thrive...a different question?
Awesome!!! Thanks for the great content man!!!
THANKS
I have liked all of your videos - but for one you left me cold here. You are very selective indeed when showing examples of how things don't correlate to the golden ratio, which is ironic given the video is about the golden ratio followers being selective in how it DOES! The fact remains that through natural selection and other routes, various animals and fauna and micro organisms have "ended up displaying the ratio in their make up". Sure they didn't consciously decide to do this, and sure there are examples that debunk this, but the fact so many do display it illustrates that as a mathematical ratio it is a very efficient "pattern building block" and if there is one thing nature is good at it is following efficient paths to replicating and building/growing things. So when nature finds an easy route to replicate in the most efficient manner it will take that path. The golden ratio is just a ratio that is super efficient in allowing most leaves to get light/allowing the most seeds in a certain area/provide strength of grip in fingers (delete as applicable) and I think most people get that. Your suggestion that anyone who has an interest in the ratio views it as some kind of divine formula is a little patronising and frankly well wide of the mark. I think it is the way you are delivering this one - as if you are stating facts when actually you are just putting forward your own hypothesis on the ratio occurrences in nature. I still enjoy your videos - keep up the good work.
So he is saying that just because the GR exists (sometimes imperfectly) doesn't mean...? that it means anything?
I agree. I want to say that the gr makes a lot of artwork look visually pleasing.
True! And if you stretch/squeeze it a bit, you’ll expand the art that ‘looks good’ to the art that ‘we can fit.’
Thank you, Trace. Nice to see some objectivity.
Why nobody talks about the golden ration of the earth? The golden ration of the Earth is Kaaba which is in Mecca.
Your mic sounds different in this video?
Yeah, the main mic failed, so i had to use the backup. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You said that “nature wants to be as efficient as possible”. So, as unconscious life, how does a plant perform the function of “wanting”?
Well, perhaps "tending towards" is a better phraseology. If a particular example of an organism is efficient in some way - perhaps energy conservation, ability to absorb sunlight, etc., then it follows that its construction is more likely to live and procreate similarly shaped offspring. The efficient ones are more likely to further procreate than inefficient ones and so on. Nature is not conscious in the traditional definition but it does appear to evolve towards something. Or at the very least, mimic a directed path as a designer might follow when improving upon iterations of an invention.
It does this because magnetism my friend. Research ken wheeler.
We like photo compositions in 1/3rd because of evolution? Stories are in 3 part structure and earth and water are 30/70 due to evolution? How did evolution effect H2O to be at 2:1 ratio?
It's not magic. Both the Fibonacci sequence and Golden Ratio are the products of the mind of God. Proof of intelligent design.
the real golden ratios of nature are spheres, straight lines and hexagons
Very enjoyable channel!
Your research in fibonacci and the Golden mean is "Highly" limited and vaguely explained in terms of its scientific and mathematical dynamics throughout nature.....but keep researching. cause that paper you reference doesn't compare to the vast data measured and awarded from multiple areas of academic study from awarded chemists, scientists and physicists around the world . I respectfully disagree for lack of research. Start with your own body and brain...and if you think that's psuedo..🤷♂️
The golden ratio seems to only come into play with things that are effected by gravity.
Please people, be careful of an entity that exists, that is trying to fight this movement of people waking up and welcoming the right brain back into existence by the millions. I'd love to see what the intentions of the peeps that did that study were....
Math and geography is perfection, nature is not perfect
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏼
You talk much nonsense. It is readily obvious you haven't made an in -depth study of the Golden Ratio as found in physics and mathematics. The exponential law of biological growth that is invested in the beauty of the natural world, proves the validity of the higher reaches of the Fibonacci numbers and the Golden Ratio.
Dang so I can’t perform infinite rotation
Is there a story on that butterfly?
I was NOT expecting that quote at the end. I had to scream. #HiddenMeaningTransformsUnparalleledAbstractBeauty
ITS TERRIFYINGLY TERRIBLE.
Thanks Dude...God's dead. What do I do now?
How do you explain the ratio in regards to males vs females in a bee colony or the measurement of our limbs? Surely you can't chalk this up to coincidence can you? There are no coincidences in nature my friend. Things just don't work like that where you can just say that it is a coincidence when you can't come up with a plausible explanation. Why would that ratio of males to females in a bee colony give them any advantage in nature as far as natural selection?
Thank you.
Watched the "explanation" @ 1:24 five times before giving up and wikipediaded it instead - what's the big hurry?
What if this code is more of a seed or root that then allows the world to shift, and grow as needed, but is still the foundation of all thi gs around us? Obviously if life all fell i to this ratio perfectly there would be no such thing as illnesses, no such thing as obesity and anorexia. We'd all be proportional, as as mentioned, biology is messy, and yet to a certain extent it hold a certain rule/sequence as to how it expands.
Excellent, very well thought out and organized explanation about how your finite mind cannot handle something that is infinite. Very well done.
"I love learning new things and challenging my assumptions about stuff..." Let's put that statement to test: How do you explain the origin of our universe (which began to exist & is contingent, that is, it could have been another way) without a First Cause (Necessary Existence)?
They keep cheering themselves on when actually ATHEISTS HAVE MADE AN INTELLECTUAL INVERSION OF REALITY. They are like the one who is walking on his face, with his feet in the air, laughing at those standing upright! ATHEISTS ARE LIARS! Non-existence cannot bring Existence. Anarchy/Chaos cannot bring Order into existence. Ignorance cannot bring Knowledge into existence!
There are only 4 logical possibilities of our existence: The Qur'an says, “Or were they created by nothing? Or were they the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heavens and earth? Rather, they are not certain.” Qur'an 52: 35-36 Things that began to exist were either: 1. Created or brought into being from nothing 2. Self caused or self created 3. Created or brought into being by something else that began to exist 4. Created or brought into being by a non-created or un-caused entity. The above argument assumes that the universe began to exist.
Did the universe begin to exist? According to the following deductive and inductive arguments, the universe had a beginning and cannot be eternal: I. The second law of thermodynamics (i.e. absence of total heat loss in an expanding universe) II. The absurdity of an infinite history of past events (i.e. infinity is not uni-directional) III. Astrophysical evidence (i.e. The Big Bang).
1. Created or brought into being from nothing: We know the universe couldn’t have come out of nothing, because out of nothing, nothing comes! This is an undeniable philosophical principle. Note: The quantum vacuum is something. It is a sea of fluctuating energy, which is still part of the cosmos and it did not pre-exist the universe. 2. Self caused or self-created: Philosophically, the universe couldn’t have created itself because that would imply a paradox. It would mean that something can exist and not exist at the same time. The logical ends of this explanation are tantamount to saying that your mother gave birth to herself!
3. Created or brought into being by something else that began to exist: If temporal physical existence owes itself to another temporal physical existence ad infinitum, it doesn’t explain anything. Rather it highlights the absurdity of an infinite regress. If U1 depended on its coming into being on a chain of infinite temporal causes (U2, which needed U3 to exist, and U3 needed a U4 and so on), U1 would never exist. There would be no series of actual causes, but only a series of non-existents, as Ibn Taymiyyah explained. The fact, however, is that there are existents around us; therefore, their ultimate cause must be something other than temporal causes.”
4. Created or brought into being by a non-created or un-caused entity: Since something cannot come from nothing, and self creation is absurd, including the unreasonableness of the aforementioned explanation, then the universe being created or brought into existence by an uncaused entity is the best explanation. This concept is intuitive but also agrees with reality: whatever begins to exist has a cause or a creator. This cause or creator must be uncaused due to the absurdity of an infinite regress, in other words an indefinite chain of causes. The Qur’an confirms the uncreatedness of the creator, God, “He neither begets nor is born.” Qur’an 112: 3 The cause or creator for the universe must be a single cause for several reasons. An attractive argument to substantiate this claim includes the use of the rational principle called Occam’s razor. In philosophical terms the principle enjoins that we do not multiply entities beyond necessity. What this basically means is that we should stick to explanations that do not create more questions than it answers. In the context of the cause for the universe we have no evidence to claim multiplicity, in other words more than one. The Qur’an affirms the Oneness of the creator, “Say: He is God, [who is] One.” Qur’an 112: 1
In summary, we have concluded what the Qur’an concluded over 1400 years ago, that a creator for the universe exists, that is one, has a will, is powerful, uncaused, immaterial and eternal. (See: Necessary Existence : Oxford (ruclips.net/video/a-dDR6LmPv8/видео.html ) & ihsaan.wordpress.com/2019/05/01/muslims-challenge-to-atheists)