Same. Calderón scene is sentimental and all but I feel Reverend's speaks to Arthur's character on a deeper level. Luckily you can get the Swanson scene with high honor too if you skip Sister's missions.
Sister Calderon's almost feels like a vision or a dream. Like a conversation just to good to be true. Its almost like Arthur got a chance to talk to an angel, as a sort of reward for his good deeds, hence why reverend's feels more realistic
@krypticunlimited6925 Precisely. High honor is the idealistic journey for Arthur imo. The path he never thought he'd find which leads him into all the right people and circumstances which guides him to his *dignified exit."* While Low Honor reflects a harsher but truer reality. One where Arthur can't outgrow his ways and code but finds redemption in dying as a warrior who helps his friends. And thus, he gets the *"leaving with a hole shot in me"* ending.
I got chills when I first heard that line because it's the only time where Arthur sounds like he's almost crying when saying it. Roger Clark and Benjamin Davis killed it with their performances in that ending.
I love Low Honor Arthur in his own way. I don't consider it this non-canonical playstyle but just a different, legit character arc for him. It's about a man who wasn't found by the right people and circumstances and thus succumbed to his more selfish, apathetic side until he was faced by his own mortality. Forcing him to redeem himself but not by becoming a better man, but by going out fighting on his own accord, helpings his friends and putting things right. Thus, still making it a Red Dead Redemption. A grim, depressive one where not much is learned and Arthur didn't grow but at least his loved have got a chance to have a future and maybe become better people.
@@John-996 Both versions of Arthur are similar to William Munny imo. Even Unforgiven's story seems like something Arthur will go through had he survived and settled down somewhere out west.
@@themadtitan7603 I think Low honour is closer as he aspects who he is and its allot darker because of that were as High honour Arthur does manage to change and his view on the World is allot more hopeful. Low honour Arthur does not like Himself he wants to change but he can not overcome his demons and has to aspect that he is who he is. He is also much more selfish and bitter with low honour. The interesting thing is both High and low honour are two sides of Arthur.
@@John-996 Oh, I definitely agree, Low Honor Arthur is closer. I'm just saying in a general sense, I think Arthur is always similar to Munny in terms of his life story and personality. It's just that when he leans into his Low Honor side, he becomes very much the same. While his high honor side differentiates him and makes him a more caring person with the same characteristics. One thing to note is even High honor Arthur hated himself and was cynical of the world until his view changed by meeting Sister Calderón, so he only becomes more hopeful and different from Munny near the end. It's as you said, the High and Low honor qualities are just different sides of the same Arthur. It's like not they're alternate realities versions of him that are distinct from one another. It's just depending on player's choice, he either leans into his more honorable, caring side with high honor or his more apathetic, ruthless side with low honor.
I'd also add his conversation with John in "A Bridge to Nowhere" where it sheds light into his motivation should you choose the money with Low Honor. He says *"you need cash, you've got family"* which shows even he values the future of John's family but sees him having money being more important than just getting his family out safe. So in the money ending isn't quite the evil ending, as he is truly getting it for John but also wants to get back at Micah. Also the scene where he kicks out Strauss, *"My comrade? You're a creep!"*
I think it would had been better if instead of having the two options as 'Help John' and 'go for the money' A more appropriate options could be 'Get your revenge' or 'Save john' Making it a bit more personal from Arthur's point of view.
@@GR.1994 Personally, I wouldn't even have us choose between helping John on the cliff or going for the money. I would've just had Arthur always help John but then after we stay behind to fight the Pinkertons, we have to sneak back to camp to get the money for John and also expose Micah as the rat. With high honor: we get the sunrise ending With high honor max: we survive and get the money. With neutral honor: we survive the fight but lose the money. With low honor: we survive with the money. With low honor max: we're killed and get the wolf ending.
@@GR.1994 And I think they just shouldn't have phrased it as *"Go for the Money"* as it makes the option seem way more selfish than it actually is. As if he's not actually trying to get back at Micah and get money for John but just go and get rich quick.
Yep. It's one of the more overlooked but beautiful tracks in RDR2. I wish there was a longer version because it the piece truly adds to this version being the most emotionally charged ending.
I dont see low honour as "not canon", i like the idea that it asks the player the question "Can you be redeemed for 2 decades of crime in 6 months" if you be high honour the game takes this as you saying "yes you can" and provides the good ending for arthur, but if the player either doesnt improve their honour or lowers their honour by the end, the game takes this is saying "no you cannot and it isnt worth trying" and provides the bad ending, pleasing both sides of the "redemption debate"
@@noobus.4615 I agree there's no canon ending but I'm not with you saying that low honor is the game saying *"no you can not and it isn't worth trying."* I believe even Low Honor Arthur redeems himself to an extent and seeks to set things right, just differently. Instead of becoming a better man and a gaining a hopeful outlook on life like with high honor, Low Honor Arthur seeks to die as a warrior with a code by going out fighting for his friends and helping Dutch see that they've lost their way.
I feel like low honor, Arthur has way more depth. a man who couldn’t look past his own anger. But tried to do one thing right in his final days. An outlaw for life. I like to think that his wife and child’s death (Eliza and Issac) had to strong negative impact on him. Causing him to lean more into being a outlaw.
I've never been able to bring myself to do a low honor playthrough. In my first playthrough it was just the natural way I chose to play the game, in my subsequent ones it was more because I knew the ending Arthur would meet if I went the low honor route and I didn't want Micah to have the satisfaction of killing Arthur. The high honor help John ending will always be the canonical one in my mind
Unrelated but I always crack up at low honor John greetings. Because the whole game they make him out to be a bumbling idiot and then if you have low honor he just yells EASY to people like he’s some sort of scary tough guy 😂 but the rdr1 comes and he’s the best gun in the west
That's because RDR2 retconned John's personality and made him into a stupid cowpoke. Not to mention Rob Weithoff had this odd delivery this time around where he's always shouting and sounds confused. It's a shame. Had they kept John's eloquent but witty delivery, his antagonize lines would've been amazing like in RDR1, imo.
i mean, maybe, or maybe not because Micah has already beaten Arthur to death and is just focused with saving his own hide at that point (like always) and he knows the Pinkertons are coming up the ridge, so its best to get away
If we want to talk about what would of happened....If this was reality Micah would of been killed by someone in the gang about half way through this whole shit show.
I'm gonna do another low honor playthrough cuz last time I tried it I ended up having high honor anyways, apparently I didn't kill or rob enough decent folk, no matter how many time I blasted people with a shotgun for not giving me their money.
Damn right Reverend Swanson is leaving the women and Jack. Why in the unholy fuck not? Women and children deserve to be around men that they can DEPEND ON. Since when in the unholy fuck did Swanson prove himself to be such? Hell, up until Beaver Hollow, he was at best an entertaining nuisance, who was obviously too drunk and high to be trusted with anything important. Leaving them was the best thing he could do for them. Trelawny realized that... now so did Swanson. Hell at least he did ONE thing right by others.
I love the scene with sister Calderon but the reverend swanson version feels much more part of arthurs journey
Same. Calderón scene is sentimental and all but I feel Reverend's speaks to Arthur's character on a deeper level. Luckily you can get the Swanson scene with high honor too if you skip Sister's missions.
Love them both
Agreed
Sister Calderon's almost feels like a vision or a dream. Like a conversation just to good to be true. Its almost like Arthur got a chance to talk to an angel, as a sort of reward for his good deeds, hence why reverend's feels more realistic
@krypticunlimited6925 Precisely. High honor is the idealistic journey for Arthur imo. The path he never thought he'd find which leads him into all the right people and circumstances which guides him to his *dignified exit."* While Low Honor reflects a harsher but truer reality. One where Arthur can't outgrow his ways and code but finds redemption in dying as a warrior who helps his friends. And thus, he gets the *"leaving with a hole shot in me"* ending.
The way he says "Not even Colm..." feels so sad, poor Arthur he realized the call was coming from inside the house and Dutch didn't want to believe it
I got chills when I first heard that line because it's the only time where Arthur sounds like he's almost crying when saying it. Roger Clark and Benjamin Davis killed it with their performances in that ending.
@@themadtitan7603 And the way Arthur says “You let him damn us all Dutch” is so powerful
Call was coming from inside the house?
@@DepressedFishey123ya I don’t get this either
@@DepressedFishey123i think it's about Dutch being betrayed by his own comrade (Micah), and not the outsider
I love Low Honor Arthur in his own way. I don't consider it this non-canonical playstyle but just a different, legit character arc for him. It's about a man who wasn't found by the right people and circumstances and thus succumbed to his more selfish, apathetic side until he was faced by his own mortality. Forcing him to redeem himself but not by becoming a better man, but by going out fighting on his own accord, helpings his friends and putting things right.
Thus, still making it a Red Dead Redemption. A grim, depressive one where not much is learned and Arthur didn't grow but at least his loved have got a chance to have a future and maybe become better people.
Very well spoken sir
I agree he really gives me William Munny vibes from unforgiven.
@@John-996 Both versions of Arthur are similar to William Munny imo. Even Unforgiven's story seems like something Arthur will go through had he survived and settled down somewhere out west.
@@themadtitan7603 I think Low honour is closer as he aspects who he is and its allot darker because of that were as High honour Arthur does manage to change and his view on the World is allot more hopeful. Low honour Arthur does not like Himself he wants to change but he can not overcome his demons and has to aspect that he is who he is. He is also much more selfish and bitter with low honour. The interesting thing is both High and low honour are two sides of Arthur.
@@John-996 Oh, I definitely agree, Low Honor Arthur is closer. I'm just saying in a general sense, I think Arthur is always similar to Munny in terms of his life story and personality. It's just that when he leans into his Low Honor side, he becomes very much the same. While his high honor side differentiates him and makes him a more caring person with the same characteristics.
One thing to note is even High honor Arthur hated himself and was cynical of the world until his view changed by meeting Sister Calderón, so he only becomes more hopeful and different from Munny near the end. It's as you said, the High and Low honor qualities are just different sides of the same Arthur.
It's like not they're alternate realities versions of him that are distinct from one another. It's just depending on player's choice, he either leans into his more honorable, caring side with high honor or his more apathetic, ruthless side with low honor.
I'd also add his conversation with John in "A Bridge to Nowhere" where it sheds light into his motivation should you choose the money with Low Honor. He says *"you need cash, you've got family"* which shows even he values the future of John's family but sees him having money being more important than just getting his family out safe. So in the money ending isn't quite the evil ending, as he is truly getting it for John but also wants to get back at Micah.
Also the scene where he kicks out Strauss, *"My comrade? You're a creep!"*
Very good suggestions and I might make a part 2
I think it would had been better if instead of having the two options as
'Help John' and 'go for the money'
A more appropriate options could be
'Get your revenge' or 'Save john'
Making it a bit more personal from Arthur's point of view.
@@GR.1994 Personally, I wouldn't even have us choose between helping John on the cliff or going for the money. I would've just had Arthur always help John but then after we stay behind to fight the Pinkertons, we have to sneak back to camp to get the money for John and also expose Micah as the rat.
With high honor: we get the sunrise ending
With high honor max: we survive and get the money.
With neutral honor: we survive the fight but lose the money.
With low honor: we survive with the money.
With low honor max: we're killed and get the wolf ending.
@@GR.1994 And I think they just shouldn't have phrased it as *"Go for the Money"* as it makes the option seem way more selfish than it actually is. As if he's not actually trying to get back at Micah and get money for John but just go and get rich quick.
@@themadtitan7603 bro you just made an ending less sad and more intriguing. I love it
That music still makes me tear up years later...
Yep. It's one of the more overlooked but beautiful tracks in RDR2. I wish there was a longer version because it the piece truly adds to this version being the most emotionally charged ending.
5:47 Really underrated ending. The background music really intensifies everything in this scene.
Agreed. Such a beautiful musical piece.
I love seeing Reverend Swanson talking to him instead of the nun
a ending with the lines "Damn us both!" and "You let him damn us all, Dutch" with Micah being stabbed in the face would be the most badass
I love the low honor ending with Arthur going back for the money so much, i dont know why.
Its the most intense for me, the music is so good
@@tuvieja3762 the high honor ending is better when you go back for the money because you give micah a scar and die of tb instead of knife
I usually play low honor up until the diagnosis
Probably the best way to play the game
I dont see low honour as "not canon", i like the idea that it asks the player the question "Can you be redeemed for 2 decades of crime in 6 months" if you be high honour the game takes this as you saying "yes you can" and provides the good ending for arthur, but if the player either doesnt improve their honour or lowers their honour by the end, the game takes this is saying "no you cannot and it isnt worth trying" and provides the bad ending, pleasing both sides of the "redemption debate"
Bro thought he cooked with this one 😂
@@Boben339 bro thinks a canon ending isnt canon
@@Boben339 Tribe speak
@@noobus.4615 I agree there's no canon ending but I'm not with you saying that low honor is the game saying *"no you can not and it isn't worth trying."* I believe even Low Honor Arthur redeems himself to an extent and seeks to set things right, just differently. Instead of becoming a better man and a gaining a hopeful outlook on life like with high honor, Low Honor Arthur seeks to die as a warrior with a code by going out fighting for his friends and helping Dutch see that they've lost their way.
@@Boben339monkeys don't like cooked food
2:59 I think Micah means Arthur Was No Better Than Micah Since He Is Low Honor
I think it's more of a metaphor for the player who would most likely hate Micah at that point rockstar was showing us we really weren't that different
Low honor Arthur is so cold
I feel like low honor, Arthur has way more depth. a man who couldn’t look past his own anger. But tried to do one thing right in his final days. An outlaw for life. I like to think that his wife and child’s death (Eliza and Issac) had to strong negative impact on him. Causing him to lean more into being a outlaw.
TENNIS BOAT!!!!
It would make more sense if the low honor ending was actually the hight honor ending
Yeah, its more realistic since Micah would definetly want to kill Arthur
Ehh
I've never been able to bring myself to do a low honor playthrough. In my first playthrough it was just the natural way I chose to play the game, in my subsequent ones it was more because I knew the ending Arthur would meet if I went the low honor route and I didn't want Micah to have the satisfaction of killing Arthur. The high honor help John ending will always be the canonical one in my mind
It would be better if arthur went back to kill Micah rather than for the money bc arthur never was selfish
Unrelated but I always crack up at low honor John greetings. Because the whole game they make him out to be a bumbling idiot and then if you have low honor he just yells EASY to people like he’s some sort of scary tough guy 😂 but the rdr1 comes and he’s the best gun in the west
That's because RDR2 retconned John's personality and made him into a stupid cowpoke. Not to mention Rob Weithoff had this odd delivery this time around where he's always shouting and sounds confused. It's a shame. Had they kept John's eloquent but witty delivery, his antagonize lines would've been amazing like in RDR1, imo.
@@themadtitan7603 Pretty sure his voice actor was changed, they didnt retcon him, and he wasnt stupid.
@sauce6746 He wasn't. His performance capture actor, Rob Weitohf, plays John Marston in both games. Also, I disagree.
@@themadtitan7603 Thats fine
Yeah they ruined John Marston character it's a tragedy
My first play through was low honor save john
Same
same. I had no idea that the honor would affect your ending
Same here
That gun you’re holding is the same gun the gold cattleman revolver
Awesome videos people, please keep up the awesome work people, you're welcome people!
i kinda like the low honor ending where micah shoots arthur it feels like what wouldve happened
i mean, maybe, or maybe not because Micah has already beaten Arthur to death and is just focused with saving his own hide at that point (like always) and he knows the Pinkertons are coming up the ridge, so its best to get away
If we want to talk about what would of happened....If this was reality Micah would of been killed by someone in the gang about half way through this whole shit show.
I like to play with high honor for too many reasons but the principal is dont let arthur die for micah.
Man I wish Arthur never got sick … he was sick and Micah still had to fight hard ..
I always love high honor
I know son *scoots away* (don't want that TB)
Whatever you say Arthur is never really selfish at least in missions he only commits mass murder for the gang
RIP Arthur.
I'm gonna do another low honor playthrough cuz last time I tried it I ended up having high honor anyways, apparently I didn't kill or rob enough decent folk, no matter how many time I blasted people with a shotgun for not giving me their money.
Which mission is the first one from
Chapter 3 mission where you save Trelawny from the bounty hunters
i did nit know there were different ways for arthur to die
You a new player?
@@TheSchizoCowboy No, but I only finished this game once with good Arthur
@@winterbalmThere’s like 4 different endings my guy.
Damn right Reverend Swanson is leaving the women and Jack. Why in the unholy fuck not?
Women and children deserve to be around men that they can DEPEND ON. Since when in the unholy fuck did Swanson prove himself to be such? Hell, up until Beaver Hollow, he was at best an entertaining nuisance, who was obviously too drunk and high to be trusted with anything important.
Leaving them was the best thing he could do for them. Trelawny realized that... now so did Swanson.
Hell at least he did ONE thing right by others.
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