Regardless of what you study on a course or tutorial. Re-do it in a project right away, then do it again. You learn it by doing it over and over again without the help of a tutorial.
Hey Michael it would be beneficial for me to know the time you grinded leading coding and now getting to a position of intern how much time did you took?
I’m self taught since two years. Recently got a real comfy job as a frontend developer using nothing but fcc, Udemy, RUclips and Google. PS; I didn’t apply for the job, I was approached on discord by another programmer who works at the company.
that’s awesome to hear! gonna go the FCC or TOP route myself. what are some suggestions you have to someone who is trying to follow in your footsteps? tips with overcoming obstacles as a beginner? how you absorbed the info? any routines you followed after learning something new..(I started with FCC a few months back and finished the first project, but after some time off I came back to it and forgot a hefty amount on info besides the basics). or pretty much any pointers you can give to me or anyone else that’s curious.
@@justinwright5841 you should try out TOP , it is really good as you are required to research and also doing hands on all the time. One of the best resources so far.
@@Dylan-ix7vi I’ve been using it for about a week now and I don’t regret making the switch. FCC was cool for taking the easy route and just typing what you learn, but TOP is way more game hands on. I feel like i’m really accomplishing a lot so far. I skipped over the git and directory tutorials bc I wasn’t to sure how important it was, but does anyone thinks it’s something crucial to learn?
I'd say those aren't really separable except in the early stages. It is hard to stay motivated without a project that you want to complete. And even if you can stay motivated without a clear direction, you'll get to a point where you have learned things but you have no project to use to demonstrate that.
Direction is the biggest issue unless you have a mentor telling you what to do and when to do it. Once you get over those two hills then it's pretty straight path
Structured learning and direct feedback is definitely a huge plus. Also I’ve heard that with the inflow a lot of self taught developers having a degree is a huge plus if you are looking for that first job.
if you are not motivated on your own and waiting for other people instructions. It will be hard for you in real life job. You got to be a problem solver. Being a problem solver is doing it on your own most of the time and learn how to find your direction to attack those problems. I personally respect someone who is self-taught because it is the hardest one.
Agreed! I studied CS in college for a bit but really struggled (didn't like professor's teaching style). Ended up getting an unrelated degree but after college I taught myself the basics of coding and now work as a programmer. Learning how to learn is one of the best skillsets you can have. I realized I learn better when I work hands on and can watch/rewatch videos at my own pace.
same - there are times you want the profs to speed up and at others to slow down. Online Learning is like your own personal tutor. I thank Shri Rama for the Internet!
Same me the topics are so unrelated to the real world projects as a self-taught developer its like being in hell when i force to go to college just because a fucking degree
Everyone struggles in computer science. It's hard. Persevering was worth it for me. It made me a better dev and I rely on the skills obtained in my CS and math classes a lot
did you learn through a bootcamp or individual courses? I’ve been putting off learning for a while trying to find out the best way to get started. I read that paid bootcamps are good for networking and structured curriculum, but same with college I don’t have thousands to throw into it. Looking at FCC or TOP to get started. And these videos really help with being more confident in going the self taught route
@@justinwright5841 I actually learned a lot on the job. I was working in a technical role where I worked with a particular piece of software everyday. This software used Python as a scripting language which allowed you to script your workflows if you wanted. I was really interested in learning how to automate parts of my job. There were some more senior co-workers at that job who were doing this already and they helped me get started. After about a year at that job, I got a new job where I took my recently acquired Python skills and began to automate tasks at this job as well. During this time, I spent a lot of time studying and teaching myself out of work. After a while, as my skills increased it dawned on me that if I kept studying and improving, I could actually apply for a Software Developer role. After about another year I felt confident enough to apply for Software Developer jobs. Took a while but eventually got one! I'd say if you are going the self taught route, most important thing is having a GitHub and/or portfolio or website to showcase your skills. You have to have a lot to talk about in interviews since you don't have a CS degree to fall back on. Also, I started my RUclips channel while I was starting to learn Python and would create tutorials after I learned new topics, as a way to reinforce my learning. I sometimes mentioned this in interviews as well and I like to think that it helped. Good luck! Feel free to reach out.
I’m far more impressed with the self-taught coder. The ability to go-it alone and make things turn up, is much more impressive than hand-holding for direction and comfort.
As someone who is feels fully confident in their ability to teach themselves, I actually still decided to go with a bootcamp. I've taught myself many different skills in the past but I am also guility of going down the rabbit hole of learning a little "too much" and taking too long to complete something. I wanted to be given structure of what to do but also be given feedback to optimize what I am doing. I'm thankful that my bootcamp is asynchronous so I can do it whenver I am free, but I also have access to TA's when i need their help with something random (like me not being able to launch code and couldn't figure out why for the life of me when it turns out I accidentlaly made a launch.JSON file). I also have been given access to an industry professional who has been developing for over 8 years at a MAANG company, and I also have a great career coach who has helped me restructure all of my resumes from a healthcare focus to tech. I definitely see your points and honestly heavily agree with you haha, but I definitely felt like the bootcamp route ended up being my best choice and still do. Definitely to each their own, I also feel like for some people they genuinely do not know how to teach themselves over a long period of time. Anyway, love the content as always, man.
To be honest, I desperately needed the structure of a bootcamp, but generally I agree, if you are committed and diligent enough, you absolutely can get job ready on your own.
as a self-taught developer I can say that it is possible and with my channel I try to share my knowledge. I don't know if it's the best way but it worked for me. Great video Dorian ✌🏻👏🏻
Hey Dorian, I just wanna say that hearing you say this stuff really makes me keep going because in real life there aren't many people who motivate or encourage someone going the self taught route when it comes to learning computer programming or just about anything but listening to you actually gives me hope and makes me want to try harder. Thank you.
Man you are spot on!, I just graduated from University in the UK, 4 year computer science degree....and yeah I still need to take the self taught learning exactly how you mentioned it...I wish I knew this 4 years a go ....thanks for all your inspired videos
Hey men, I like you. You made me realize that i still have a chance to go for my dreams. I am currently doing freecodecamp and everytime i have these lessons on a daily basis it makes me wish i could have known this ealier cuz i used up almost a whole year learning C Thanks man
100% self-taught. Applied for internship. I've got two internship offers. First I got one. which is not paid, working for startup. but later I applied for another one that reached out to me in two weeks, that pays well for intern. I quit the unpaid one in two weeks, because if I get paid to learn I'd take that anyday. I'm starting in two weeks and very excited because it is going to turn into full-time after internship.
Thank you for this Dorian. I was honestly about to quit trying to learn how to code, because of how my laptop lags and code takes a lot of time to register on almost every IDE.(it's a 2011 Acer laptop so you can guess how crappy it is) but after this video, I'll try sticking it out and hopefully I'll reap the fruits of my labor one day.
Only problem I'm having with self taught is with knowing what to focus on in Javascript and how exactly the industry does things. I guess I'll find that it once I get a job.
For anyone watching debating going to college, I personally think it's still a very valid route. I graduated with a CS degree and was able to get a full time job right before graduation. I also learned some advance mathematics and made some good friends.
I agree that college is still a decent route because it’s a lot easier to get your foot in the door with a degree but it is primarily self taught anyways and takes 4 years and if you have a family to provide for you may not have the time or money
Agreed, if a person can afford it without going into huge debt, I would argue it is the best route, why, because it opens doors that the self taught route doesn't. Self taught is the quick route to webdev but any other programming, gaming, advanced programming, it is the longest route, the degree and the math opens doors into the more advanced programming fields quicker. I say this as a self taught programmer, no degree, of 20+ years. I will add the caveat that it depends on the person who is getting the degree, I have worked with people who have their master's degree, no passion and who really did not learn, worthless even, but I have met some who took advantage of that schooling, freaking crazy smart, genius even, it's all about the passion to take advantage of the opportunity.
@@mazing32able And then you get found out and without a job, not to mention future prospects of getting one with the reputation of someone who lies about going to college.
I would make anything if I had a loving family. But now I have lost it all and depressed as I am, I am unable even to want to achieve anything. Cherish your support.
I'm currently on my third year of computer science. Most of the subjects that we were taught were topics I had 0 interest with. We don't have majors and every semester, there's a new topic. We are being taught the "general fields" of computer science so we can choose after we're finished. This is due to the small class size of computer science. Because of this, I've learned more teaching myself about fields I'm actually interested in.
So I recently joined a bootcamp and I regreted it like five days into it. I already was above the level of most of the other students mainly because they were just starting out while I have been on my own for a while now. So instead of boosting my learning path, it was just a hindrance. I was already considering leaving it and this video was just the last nail on the coffin. Go your own route. Learn at your own pace. Bootcamps will only make you do what you can do on your own.
I gotta say bootcamps add a lot of extra needless stress to the learning process. Having deadlines and 20+ hours of work per week to do outside of a full time job is a lot. But then again I don’t know how I could have possibly learned everything I did in the past 6 months without a bootcamp. I learned what I like and what I don’t like, I created projects that will go in my portfolio, and I’ve learned a workflow that will help me continue my coding skills after class.
Hell Yeah I passed the background check and I am starting this wed. First web dev job with a very well established company. I would love if you made an updated video on what to expect your first couple months as a web developer. That would be awesome!
@@zakariahassan123 i litterally only have 12 credits and I’m only self taught all I had to do was a take home project and pass a technical interview. But I made a good portfolio and also have good projects on my portfolio, I also had 2 freelance clients before I found my first dev job
I am a self taught nodejs developer. 18 years old. Just started for fun and now i am building medium complex projects like "wow". I am learning python in shool but am more comfortable with nodejs than python.
Your take on this was good, I would have loved to take the self taught route, but one thing you didn't mention is by taking this way if you're trying to get a job as a developer in 2023, you're making it very difficult for yourself because many employers make it a hard requirement to have a degree as a bare miminum to be qualified, and they filter out resumes that don't have degrees listed also. You need to stand out from other applicants and having that degree will help a lot from other people. By taking the self taught route, you would need to be willing to relocate far away for developer jobs that don't require degrees like in tech hubs, so where you live is also a factor since where I am almost all of the tech jobs make having a degree an absolute mandatory.
Most important thing that you need is "a quiet place where you can lock yourself in and focus and learn". This is important commodity in focuse robbing society that we currently have.
Right timing! I’m still hesitant should I sign up for coding school or back to learning coding at home myself. I have joined a school for 4 months and the teachers suck so I am thinking of applying for another school or staying home and learning coding myself
Agreed! It be great if you could do a video about good RUclips channels to learn from. i.e. Kevin Powell - for css Fireship - for quick overviews. Etc... It probably also be a great video series to grow your channel even further, since it will link you with all of them in search results and recommendations. Just a thought.
I am doing the odin project cursus since i discovered you in 2020, I didnt finished it yet but I did a long path and practiced with their different projects, I'm still continuing it during my days off, so I wanted to thank you again for being who you are cause you made me learn so much sir
Time is 💵. Going through 4 years is really too much time. Every time I look at programming industry and forums, it can get really depressing and I doubt if I should even continue in my early days of self taught programming. Then ur video pops up and.. :,) ur voice here in this bubble is truly rare and I’m deeply appreciative towards you for living up to what you say and contributing back to us freely.. :,)
same with me.. usually I get one of these videos in my suggested every time I get discouraged and it gets me through it. hoping to eventually not need the extra motivation and be self motivated whenever I take a step closer to becoming a web dev. Just keep pushing and take it one day at a time :) Good luck out there
So great video! And a plus: Live classes, personal or online are sooooo boring!!! Meanwhile with the self-taugh way that will be more asyncronus, and you can repet the video as many times as you want until understand what the the teacher is saying, or you can pause it and then google your question. And of course save a lot of money!
Thank You for this video,.I'm on the self taught route for a few weeks now and it has been awesome. Hope to get better at this to somehow earn some additional bucks in the near future.
Physics dropout, 32yo, working in the backoffice of a company, started coding 2 weeks ago to career change. Everything I've done so far is self-taught so I rely so much on it. Hope it works out. The only problem is that there are so many things to learn that is too overwhelming and everyone suggests a different learning roadmap. You help a lot my dude.
i am learining myself (20y.o., uni 1st year, cs major), but i think you should first spend time researching which career path within CS is most viable for you. don't be afraid to waste a few hours just reading about IT professions before you start learining one. that way you can achieve clarity and deal with the overwhelming uncertainty. after you chose the area of programming that interests you the most, it's easy to find exactly what you should learn. and the biggest problem seems to be choosing from so many options, rather than the learning itself. for self-taught, most seem to go down the road of html-css-javascript-eventually c#. the area that interests me the most is ML, so i'm going primarily with python, but also c# due to feedback from various sources, including ma homeboy who also studies CS :)
@@_JoeVer yup I tried that, thankfully I got some friends in IT so I can have a chat or do about direction. Plan is to start as Front End, then try a bit of Back End and see what I like most. I also wanna try WebApps or Mobile Apps to see if I like them.
@@k4iLeb sounds good! html css javascript for now, get the first job and then see. i personally dislike front-end, but i may have to learn it to a decent extent anyway. it's useful even for personal use so why not
I wanted to thank you for all this useful content which is helping me a lot, keep it up… you got a new subscriber!! RUclips needs more people like you.
I agree to a point.Universities prepare you for computer science not programming.Programming is just a small part. Also,if you are at a top one you will need to develop some skills of time management and commitment,because quitting is not as easy as an option as you just said (financiar burden being one) Also being able to see a lot of subfields of computer science is not a bad thing ,it develops creativity and gives you a better idea about the field in general which helps you picking up skills faster.
@@mattiaslp9645 Well yes,I know for lot of jobs you can prepare in 6-12 months,if you are perseverent and focus on specific technology. But the problem is a lot of people remain at that level and fail to learn programming in general , having a problem if they move to other subfield(they learn harder ML if all their life they did fullstack)and it s ok because they go into programming for building thing,and getting the job done,BUT being able to learn things quickly is a big + and it s easy to do if you have the broader picture. Money wise i understand it a a problem.I kmow in USA it's a burden. But if you are in the USA it a problem because for a lot of colleges in Europe the fee is low Essentially few thousand euros per year. So in my case it s better going to college because the fee is 1k/year.
Great video! I just landed my first dev job so pretty stoked. I also just graduated with my bachelors in mechanical engineering. So I am self taught but also have the benefit of having a desired degree. Your videos motivated me to keep grinding so thank man!
Probably very important to note that this is a lot more relevant for people in the US, Canada, Australia, and any other country where education is criminally expensive. A LOT of countries out there with top tier higher education completely for free, SOME countries like Denmark even have systems where you're paid to study.
Here in Brazil we can go to college for free or pay for it, problem is we have to study a bunch of crap that we don't need in order to do a test and compete with everyone else, in the end if we pass that exam we'll either not learn anything practical(and possibly not get hired) or our score won't be high enough to the course we want and will have to choose between graduating in something we don't care about or wait another entire year while studying the same useless crap so just can try the exam again.
What I feel is happening in the industry is a lot of people want to code and join bootcamps. After completing a bootcamp you and like 100 other bootcamp students are doing the same thing. No credentials other than a bootcamp that is exactly what 100 other people are offering. Atleast with college you have some creditability and can differentiate from other applicants.
@@ipodtouch470 that's obviously bullshit. In European universities u won't have that general stuff and just major related subjects. Tf u guys learn humanities and English in college for in america. I thought highschool existed for a reason.
If your parents can foot the Bill & you’re in high school, go to university and get that well rounded education and environment where you learn more than just the “coding” skills. If you’re already working and want to juggle both learning programming and your current job, the self-taught route helps you pace yourself.
Used to be in computer engineering but they way they taught C++ coding sucked resulting in me being weeded out and changing majors. Try is was way back in 2014 thought the thought of coding hasn’t left me entirely until I realized that self teaching myself was a far more better way of learning. Don’t get discouraged by crazy professors that want you to do things their way!
Hey man, recently discovered your channel. Been watching a lot of your content. Not just coding, but the motivational vids too. I was wondering if it would be possible for a video where you could maybe do a summary/brief step by step breakdown from beginner to a 6 figure income. Like 1, 2, 3. Feel like it being laid out like that would help a lot of people. Also, do you think having an accounting background would benefit one at all when it comes to coding?
I'm training up the Grind Mode Affiliates that are interested so they can help me manage everything we have online and potentially get kick ass jobs at the same time, plus I also get experience in teaching others. I'll always try to make myself available for anyone who wants to actually put in the effort, even without money if they can't afford to pay me (none of the Grind Mode Affiliates pay and I'd never ask them to). It has been pretty awesome so far.
Hey man, I really enjoy your content. I like the fact you keeping it straight. I got two question though. Where do you find these meet ups and are they easy to attend? The other one is, I almost completed my associate degree with my wife's force lol. By the end of the year, I'll be done with college and my only classes left of are Python, SQL and Windows Op Systems which is good cuz I kind of interested into Data analyst position? Is there anything else do you recommend me to learn to get job ready as possible? Any advice would be appreciated from the community. Thanks!
Dorian should really consider making courses to your liking. There's alot of ppl that can learn from you and you can stick it some of these bootcamps not provding authentic value and overcharging.
As someone who studied computer engineering because I liked it (it was before the app development fever started), I am quite amazed at what software development has become. We are now reaching the point of simply glorifying ignorance. If you do have a degree, and you encounter a problem at work and realize how the solution comes immediately by applying something you learned at university, you are supposed to hide it, because you're gatekeeping all the other people who don't have a degree. Hell, when I came to Germany I studied a bit of German before coming and posted on LinkedIn that it was a good idea to learn the language to interact with locals and make your life better, only to get some angry replies from other programmers in Germany that I was simply trying to sell the idea that you needed to be a genius to work here. This is the society we are building. Studying the things you should do before working with them is now equivalent to offending people.
@@DorianDevelops OK, sorry, maybe I ranted too much. It's just that recently I've seen RUclips channels (not yours) recommending to self-taught people that they should find documentation typos in GitHub projects, commit them in order to build some activity, and use that on their resumes to get hired. This is so ridiculously close to fraud and I was amazed that literally all commenters did not mind it. That really pissed me off. In any case, take the general idea of my comment if the specific details were just an annoying rant.
At 2:30 he says after 2 years of college your committed to your computer science major which is false. The first 2 years of college are your English 101's and other lower division classes. At the 2 year mark is when you usually declare a major. So you can change it at this time.
Bro, it is incredibly irresponsible to make these click bait statements. That is an opinion of yours. Please stop trying to jump on the "no school" "nothing but youtube taught me" bandwagon for views. Not everyone learns the same and not everyone just wants a high level, basic view of how computers and web development work. No offense to you but it's becoming quite cliche and I believe you can use your talents and/or knowledge in a much more productive, creative, and encouraging way. Just MY opinion, so worth nothing.
I’m in a bootcamp now and I feel stuck. I feel like It’s a been a waste of money and my instructor isn’t very good. I’d be better off dropping out and continue to learn on my own. I’ve taught myself everything already.
But if truly committed and know some basics Bootcamp is the best way to go rather than college, colleges suck bootcamp can become a catalyst to the process because, if you are serious about it then bootcamp will give you targets and that will help to achieve faster rather than spending 2 years to learning frontend or backend
Literally everyone tells me that my college Bachelor's will not require me to build many additional projects and portfolios to land a job because they will see it in my CGPA. I don't know man if its true or not. People around me tell me that employers don't know / can't gauge our ability without a college Bachelor's.
College teaches you Computer science, which isn't just coding. A lot of tend to miss this part and so they get surprised when they know they have to study math, electronics, algorithms and more.
Dorian what are those soft rectangular lights on top of your computer screen called? I like the soft light they put out. Thanks for your honest review videos
If you just want to be a web developer? You can take any route. Want a more intellectual role in coding? Get the CS Degree. Assuming everyone just wants to be a web dev is a huge assumption.
Regardless of what you study on a course or tutorial. Re-do it in a project right away, then do it again. You learn it by doing it over and over again without the help of a tutorial.
Great advice 👍
True😊 learn, then you train your muscle memory ✅
Okay. Thank you.
That's really good advice
Amen to that. Learning means nothing without action.
Literally 100% self taught and currently working as an intern in a Front End position that will turn into full time employment after the internship.
Hey, can you tell me your email? I want to ask you some questions if you are willing to help me out
@Michael Do you recommend studying HTML, CSS and Javascript first?
@@Leadnotfollow definitely, those are pretty much essential
Hey Michael it would be beneficial for me to know the time you grinded leading coding and now getting to a position of intern how much time did you took?
if u get stuck and cant find info what you're looking for on google, what happens to your project?
I’m self taught since two years. Recently got a real comfy job as a frontend developer using nothing but fcc, Udemy, RUclips and Google.
PS; I didn’t apply for the job, I was approached on discord by another programmer who works at the company.
that’s awesome to hear! gonna go the FCC or TOP route myself. what are some suggestions you have to someone who is trying to follow in your footsteps?
tips with overcoming obstacles as a beginner?
how you absorbed the info? any routines you followed after learning something new..(I started with FCC a few months back and finished the first project, but after some time off I came back to it and forgot a hefty amount on info besides the basics).
or pretty much any pointers you can give to me or anyone else that’s curious.
Whats the best discords to get into?
@@justinwright5841 you should try out TOP , it is really good as you are required to research and also doing hands on all the time.
One of the best resources so far.
@@Dylan-ix7vi I’ve been using it for about a week now and I don’t regret making the switch. FCC was cool for taking the easy route and just typing what you learn, but TOP is way more game hands on. I feel like i’m really accomplishing a lot so far. I skipped over the git and directory tutorials bc I wasn’t to sure how important it was, but does anyone thinks it’s something crucial to learn?
@@justinwright5841 sorry but what is TOP and FCC?
The only problem with the self taught route is direction and motivation, the latter part majority people struggle with.
I'd say those aren't really separable except in the early stages. It is hard to stay motivated without a project that you want to complete. And even if you can stay motivated without a clear direction, you'll get to a point where you have learned things but you have no project to use to demonstrate that.
Direction is the biggest issue unless you have a mentor telling you what to do and when to do it. Once you get over those two hills then it's pretty straight path
Structured learning and direct feedback is definitely a huge plus. Also I’ve heard that with the inflow a lot of self taught developers having a degree is a huge plus if you are looking for that first job.
if you are not motivated on your own and waiting for other people instructions. It will be hard for you in real life job. You got to be a problem solver. Being a problem solver is doing it on your own most of the time and learn how to find your direction to attack those problems. I personally respect someone who is self-taught because it is the hardest one.
The only problem for “some.”
Agreed! I studied CS in college for a bit but really struggled (didn't like professor's teaching style). Ended up getting an unrelated degree but after college I taught myself the basics of coding and now work as a programmer. Learning how to learn is one of the best skillsets you can have. I realized I learn better when I work hands on and can watch/rewatch videos at my own pace.
same - there are times you want the profs to speed up and at others to slow down. Online Learning is like your own personal tutor. I thank Shri Rama for the Internet!
Same me the topics are so unrelated to the real world projects as a self-taught developer its like being in hell when i force to go to college just because a fucking degree
Everyone struggles in computer science. It's hard. Persevering was worth it for me. It made me a better dev and I rely on the skills obtained in my CS and math classes a lot
did you learn through a bootcamp or individual courses? I’ve been putting off learning for a while trying to find out the best way to get started. I read that paid bootcamps are good for networking and structured curriculum, but same with college I don’t have thousands to throw into it. Looking at FCC or TOP to get started. And these videos really help with being more confident in going the self taught route
@@justinwright5841 I actually learned a lot on the job. I was working in a technical role where I worked with a particular piece of software everyday. This software used Python as a scripting language which allowed you to script your workflows if you wanted. I was really interested in learning how to automate parts of my job. There were some more senior co-workers at that job who were doing this already and they helped me get started. After about a year at that job, I got a new job where I took my recently acquired Python skills and began to automate tasks at this job as well. During this time, I spent a lot of time studying and teaching myself out of work. After a while, as my skills increased it dawned on me that if I kept studying and improving, I could actually apply for a Software Developer role.
After about another year I felt confident enough to apply for Software Developer jobs. Took a while but eventually got one! I'd say if you are going the self taught route, most important thing is having a GitHub and/or portfolio or website to showcase your skills. You have to have a lot to talk about in interviews since you don't have a CS degree to fall back on. Also, I started my RUclips channel while I was starting to learn Python and would create tutorials after I learned new topics, as a way to reinforce my learning. I sometimes mentioned this in interviews as well and I like to think that it helped. Good luck! Feel free to reach out.
I’m far more impressed with the self-taught coder. The ability to go-it alone and make things turn up, is much more impressive than hand-holding for direction and comfort.
As someone who is feels fully confident in their ability to teach themselves, I actually still decided to go with a bootcamp. I've taught myself many different skills in the past but I am also guility of going down the rabbit hole of learning a little "too much" and taking too long to complete something.
I wanted to be given structure of what to do but also be given feedback to optimize what I am doing. I'm thankful that my bootcamp is asynchronous so I can do it whenver I am free, but I also have access to TA's when i need their help with something random (like me not being able to launch code and couldn't figure out why for the life of me when it turns out I accidentlaly made a launch.JSON file). I also have been given access to an industry professional who has been developing for over 8 years at a MAANG company, and I also have a great career coach who has helped me restructure all of my resumes from a healthcare focus to tech.
I definitely see your points and honestly heavily agree with you haha, but I definitely felt like the bootcamp route ended up being my best choice and still do. Definitely to each their own, I also feel like for some people they genuinely do not know how to teach themselves over a long period of time.
Anyway, love the content as always, man.
To be honest, I desperately needed the structure of a bootcamp, but generally I agree, if you are committed and diligent enough, you absolutely can get job ready on your own.
as a self-taught developer I can say that it is possible and with my channel I try to share my knowledge. I don't know if it's the best way but it worked for me. Great video Dorian ✌🏻👏🏻
Do you have a video describing your experience getting your first job?
@@ruleaus7664 I only created video tutorials with Html & Css and React & Tailwind Css 😜
But who knows in the future ...
Nice Im self taught too and just landed my first job salary based so excited!
@@Daddyjs
I'd love to hear you story of how you got your first job and what it took. Congrats btw.
@@ruleaus7664 thank you maybe I’ll upload a video explaining
Hey Dorian, I just wanna say that hearing you say this stuff really makes me keep going because in real life there aren't many people who motivate or encourage someone going the self taught route when it comes to learning computer programming or just about anything but listening to you actually gives me hope and makes me want to try harder. Thank you.
Bro I respect this. I went to Full Stack Academy this last year and everything I was taught was shit I already taught myself. Super big waste of money
Man you are spot on!, I just graduated from University in the UK, 4 year computer science degree....and yeah I still need to take the self taught learning exactly how you mentioned it...I wish I knew this 4 years a go ....thanks for all your inspired videos
Hey men, I like you. You made me realize that i still have a chance to go for my dreams. I am currently doing freecodecamp and everytime i have these lessons on a daily basis it makes me wish i could have known this ealier cuz i used up almost a whole year learning C
Thanks man
“At the end of the day, we’re all self taught, to some extent”. Love that
100% self-taught. Applied for internship. I've got two internship offers. First I got one. which is not paid, working for startup. but later I applied for another one that reached out to me in two weeks, that pays well for intern. I quit the unpaid one in two weeks, because if I get paid to learn I'd take that anyday. I'm starting in two weeks and very excited because it is going to turn into full-time after internship.
Thank you for this Dorian. I was honestly about to quit trying to learn how to code, because of how my laptop lags and code takes a lot of time to register on almost every IDE.(it's a 2011 Acer laptop so you can guess how crappy it is) but after this video, I'll try sticking it out and hopefully I'll reap the fruits of my labor one day.
Goodluck! Hardwork will always pay off.
@@nobody-bt7mu Thank you so much.
You should try replit. It let's you use the website to write code
@@ToxicRoachX50 Ah, thank you I'll go try it now.
Slowly save for a new laptop. Your pushing yours really hard. Or use a text editor instead of an ide and see if that helps :)
Only problem I'm having with self taught is with knowing what to focus on in Javascript and how exactly the industry does things. I guess I'll find that it once I get a job.
For anyone watching debating going to college, I personally think it's still a very valid route. I graduated with a CS degree and was able to get a full time job right before graduation. I also learned some advance mathematics and made some good friends.
I agree that college is still a decent route because it’s a lot easier to get your foot in the door with a degree but it is primarily self taught anyways and takes 4 years and if you have a family to provide for you may not have the time or money
Agreed, if a person can afford it without going into huge debt, I would argue it is the best route, why, because it opens doors that the self taught route doesn't. Self taught is the quick route to webdev but any other programming, gaming, advanced programming, it is the longest route, the degree and the math opens doors into the more advanced programming fields quicker. I say this as a self taught programmer, no degree, of 20+ years. I will add the caveat that it depends on the person who is getting the degree, I have worked with people who have their master's degree, no passion and who really did not learn, worthless even, but I have met some who took advantage of that schooling, freaking crazy smart, genius even, it's all about the passion to take advantage of the opportunity.
Around how much are you making annually now? Pays good?
Or just lie that you went to college and be self taught🤔
@@mazing32able And then you get found out and without a job, not to mention future prospects of getting one with the reputation of someone who lies about going to college.
I would make anything if I had a loving family. But now I have lost it all and depressed as I am, I am unable even to want to achieve anything. Cherish your support.
I'm currently on my third year of computer science. Most of the subjects that we were taught were topics I had 0 interest with. We don't have majors and every semester, there's a new topic. We are being taught the "general fields" of computer science so we can choose after we're finished. This is due to the small class size of computer science. Because of this, I've learned more teaching myself about fields I'm actually interested in.
Sounds like a shtty school
So I recently joined a bootcamp and I regreted it like five days into it. I already was above the level of most of the other students mainly because they were just starting out while I have been on my own for a while now. So instead of boosting my learning path, it was just a hindrance. I was already considering leaving it and this video was just the last nail on the coffin. Go your own route. Learn at your own pace. Bootcamps will only make you do what you can do on your own.
The intro is better than I thought possible. lol!
I gotta say bootcamps add a lot of extra needless stress to the learning process. Having deadlines and 20+ hours of work per week to do outside of a full time job is a lot. But then again I don’t know how I could have possibly learned everything I did in the past 6 months without a bootcamp. I learned what I like and what I don’t like, I created projects that will go in my portfolio, and I’ve learned a workflow that will help me continue my coding skills after class.
Just wanted to say i really like the production quality of your recent videos 🔥👍
You motivate me everyday to try to bust my ass to learn and become successful.
Nothing wrong with being self taught on one side whilst attending a college course simultaneously. To get at both side the coin.
Currently doing just that
Hell Yeah I passed the background check and I am starting this wed. First web dev job with a very well established company. I would love if you made an updated video on what to expect your first couple months as a web developer. That would be awesome!
Self-taught or bootcamp? How long did it take you to learn?? Thanks
@@zakariahassan123 self taught, like 2 years
@@Daddyjs thanks for your feedback, I really appreciate bro. From which country?
Do you have any other college education and do the web dev companies respect other fields of education??
@@zakariahassan123 i litterally only have 12 credits and I’m only self taught all I had to do was a take home project and pass a technical interview. But I made a good portfolio and also have good projects on my portfolio, I also had 2 freelance clients before I found my first dev job
Self-learning is both the easiest and the hardest (but people usually believe in the second one , that's why millionares are less).
It's the definitely not the simplest route to take tho so yea..
I am a self taught nodejs developer. 18 years old. Just started for fun and now i am building medium complex projects like "wow".
I am learning python in shool but am more comfortable with nodejs than python.
so, you know HTML CSS & JS too? for backend you're NODE>JS
@@vannesa7366 no just only basics of all . I am not a web developer
Your take on this was good, I would have loved to take the self taught route, but one thing you didn't mention is by taking this way if you're trying to get a job as a developer in 2023, you're making it very difficult for yourself because many employers make it a hard requirement to have a degree as a bare miminum to be qualified, and they filter out resumes that don't have degrees listed also. You need to stand out from other applicants and having that degree will help a lot from other people. By taking the self taught route, you would need to be willing to relocate far away for developer jobs that don't require degrees like in tech hubs, so where you live is also a factor since where I am almost all of the tech jobs make having a degree an absolute mandatory.
Waooo man thanks you so muuchh!!! Subscribing to your amazing channel has been one of the best thing I've ever done
Most important thing that you need is "a quiet place where you can lock yourself in and focus and learn". This is important commodity in focuse robbing society that we currently have.
I went to college and all I got out of it was a massive debt that I, almost 10 years later am still paying.
@Dorian Develops the first person I've seen to not beat around the bush. Just straight up learn Self Taught, freaking love it !! 👊🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Right timing! I’m still hesitant should I sign up for coding school or back to learning coding at home myself. I have joined a school for 4 months and the teachers suck so I am thinking of applying for another school or staying home and learning coding myself
Agreed!
It be great if you could do a video about good RUclips channels to learn from.
i.e.
Kevin Powell - for css
Fireship - for quick overviews.
Etc...
It probably also be a great video series to grow your channel even further, since it will link you with all of them in search results and recommendations.
Just a thought.
I just wanna say that your way of filming your vidoes has changed in a better way, well I can say a lot. Keep going man you encourage us a lot thanks
I am doing the odin project cursus since i discovered you in 2020, I didnt finished it yet but I did a long path and practiced with their different projects, I'm still continuing it during my days off, so I wanted to thank you again for being who you are cause you made me learn so much sir
Time is 💵. Going through 4 years is really too much time. Every time I look at programming industry and forums, it can get really depressing and I doubt if I should even continue in my early days of self taught programming. Then ur video pops up and.. :,) ur voice here in this bubble is truly rare and I’m deeply appreciative towards you for living up to what you say and contributing back to us freely.. :,)
same with me.. usually I get one of these videos in my suggested every time I get discouraged and it gets me through it. hoping to eventually not need the extra motivation and be self motivated whenever I take a step closer to becoming a web dev. Just keep pushing and take it one day at a time :) Good luck out there
Hey, some people just enjoy the academic roote ;d
So great video! And a plus: Live classes, personal or online are sooooo boring!!! Meanwhile with the self-taugh way that will be more asyncronus, and you can repet the video as many times as you want until understand what the the teacher is saying, or you can pause it and then google your question. And of course save a lot of money!
Thank You for this video,.I'm on the self taught route for a few weeks now and it has been awesome. Hope to get better at this to somehow earn some additional bucks in the near future.
How you finding it so far, do you think you’re ready for an entry level job
Physics dropout, 32yo, working in the backoffice of a company, started coding 2 weeks ago to career change. Everything I've done so far is self-taught so I rely so much on it. Hope it works out. The only problem is that there are so many things to learn that is too overwhelming and everyone suggests a different learning roadmap. You help a lot my dude.
i am learining myself (20y.o., uni 1st year, cs major), but i think you should first spend time researching which career path within CS is most viable for you. don't be afraid to waste a few hours just reading about IT professions before you start learining one. that way you can achieve clarity and deal with the overwhelming uncertainty. after you chose the area of programming that interests you the most, it's easy to find exactly what you should learn. and the biggest problem seems to be choosing from so many options, rather than the learning itself. for self-taught, most seem to go down the road of html-css-javascript-eventually c#. the area that interests me the most is ML, so i'm going primarily with python, but also c# due to feedback from various sources, including ma homeboy who also studies CS :)
anyways, good luck and hope it works out for you. im passing out after an evening shift at work + python night study xD
@pιnned вy Dorian Develops this bot is quite persistent, eh?
@@_JoeVer yup I tried that, thankfully I got some friends in IT so I can have a chat or do about direction. Plan is to start as Front End, then try a bit of Back End and see what I like most. I also wanna try WebApps or Mobile Apps to see if I like them.
@@k4iLeb sounds good! html css javascript for now, get the first job and then see. i personally dislike front-end, but i may have to learn it to a decent extent anyway. it's useful even for personal use so why not
I wanted to thank you for all this useful content which is helping me a lot, keep it up… you got a new subscriber!! RUclips needs more people like you.
I agree to a point.Universities prepare you for computer science not programming.Programming is just a small part.
Also,if you are at a top one you will need to develop some skills of time management and commitment,because quitting is not as easy as an option as you just said (financiar burden being one)
Also being able to see a lot of subfields of computer science
is not a bad thing ,it develops creativity and gives you a better idea about the field in general which helps you picking up skills faster.
most programming jobs don’t require the classes you’re thinking of. those are just filler classes to make you think you’re getting your money’s worth.
@@mattiaslp9645 Well yes,I know for lot of jobs you can prepare in 6-12 months,if you are perseverent and focus on specific technology.
But the problem is a lot of people remain at that level and fail to learn programming in general , having a problem if they move to other subfield(they learn harder ML if all their life they did fullstack)and it s ok because they go into programming for building thing,and getting the job done,BUT being able to learn things quickly is a big + and it s easy to do if you have the broader picture.
Money wise i understand it a a problem.I kmow in USA it's a burden.
But if you are in the USA it a problem because for a lot of colleges in Europe the fee is low
Essentially few thousand euros per year.
So in my case it s better going to college because the fee is 1k/year.
Great video! I just landed my first dev job so pretty stoked. I also just graduated with my bachelors in mechanical engineering. So I am self taught but also have the benefit of having a desired degree. Your videos motivated me to keep grinding so thank man!
How long did it take you to learn? Thanks
@@zakariahassan123 Started going hard in November 2021 and landed my first job May 9th 2022
@@Lowe-Tech Do you recommend studying HTML, CSS and Javascript first?
@@Leadnotfollow Yes, if you are trying to be a frontend developer you will need to know these.
What do you considered a desired degree?
Probably very important to note that this is a lot more relevant for people in the US, Canada, Australia, and any other country where education is criminally expensive. A LOT of countries out there with top tier higher education completely for free, SOME countries like Denmark even have systems where you're paid to study.
Here in Brazil we can go to college for free or pay for it, problem is we have to study a bunch of crap that we don't need in order to do a test and compete with everyone else, in the end if we pass that exam we'll either not learn anything practical(and possibly not get hired) or our score won't be high enough to the course we want and will have to choose between graduating in something we don't care about or wait another entire year while studying the same useless crap so just can try the exam again.
What I feel is happening in the industry is a lot of people want to code and join bootcamps. After completing a bootcamp you and like 100 other bootcamp students are doing the same thing. No credentials other than a bootcamp that is exactly what 100 other people are offering. Atleast with college you have some creditability and can differentiate from other applicants.
I do like the structure that bootcamps and college provide but some of the prices are just ridiculous.
Time to have online colleges, that teach what you need.
No side bs stuff, you hardly learn due to uninterest.
Or too much stress and distractions actually learning and liking unrealated stuff. Too bad none of it gave me ideas for projects.
What would you guys consider the bs stuff, humanities, English and all those type of classes?
@@ipodtouch470 that's obviously bullshit. In European universities u won't have that general stuff and just major related subjects.
Tf u guys learn humanities and English in college for in america. I thought highschool existed for a reason.
If your parents can foot the Bill & you’re in high school, go to university and get that well rounded education and environment where you learn more than just the “coding” skills.
If you’re already working and want to juggle both learning programming and your current job, the self-taught route helps you pace yourself.
That intro had a kind of 'Agent Smith' vs 'Agent Smith vibe going on 😂
Haha that was a lot of fun to shoot! It's like the Spiderman meme 👉🫵👈
Used to be in computer engineering but they way they taught C++ coding sucked resulting in me being weeded out and changing majors. Try is was way back in 2014 thought the thought of coding hasn’t left me entirely until I realized that self teaching myself was a far more better way of learning. Don’t get discouraged by crazy professors that want you to do things their way!
Hey man, recently discovered your channel. Been watching a lot of your content. Not just coding, but the motivational vids too.
I was wondering if it would be possible for a video where you could maybe do a summary/brief step by step breakdown from beginner to a 6 figure income. Like 1, 2, 3. Feel like it being laid out like that would help a lot of people. Also, do you think having an accounting background would benefit one at all when it comes to coding?
Thank you for promoting self-reliance.
THANK YOU!
I'm training up the Grind Mode Affiliates that are interested so they can help me manage everything we have online and potentially get kick ass jobs at the same time, plus I also get experience in teaching others. I'll always try to make myself available for anyone who wants to actually put in the effort, even without money if they can't afford to pay me (none of the Grind Mode Affiliates pay and I'd never ask them to). It has been pretty awesome so far.
Hey man I just wanted to say thank you for everything you do. Cheers
Hey man, I really enjoy your content. I like the fact you keeping it straight. I got two question though. Where do you find these meet ups and are they easy to attend? The other one is, I almost completed my associate degree with my wife's force lol. By the end of the year, I'll be done with college and my only classes left of are Python, SQL and Windows Op Systems which is good cuz I kind of interested into Data analyst position? Is there anything else do you recommend me to learn to get job ready as possible? Any advice would be appreciated from the community. Thanks!
Thanks you so much for your time.
Vast majority of college is kind of free on youtube.
Yes right, I’m graduated in management and economic, I learned python for data analysis online. My target it’s to be an expert soon.
I think it is more important whom you are learning from.
Thanks for the tips. I respect you.
Dorian should really consider making courses to your liking. There's alot of ppl that can learn from you and you can stick it some of these bootcamps not provding authentic value and overcharging.
As someone who studied computer engineering because I liked it (it was before the app development fever started), I am quite amazed at what software development has become.
We are now reaching the point of simply glorifying ignorance. If you do have a degree, and you encounter a problem at work and realize how the solution comes immediately by applying something you learned at university, you are supposed to hide it, because you're gatekeeping all the other people who don't have a degree.
Hell, when I came to Germany I studied a bit of German before coming and posted on LinkedIn that it was a good idea to learn the language to interact with locals and make your life better, only to get some angry replies from other programmers in Germany that I was simply trying to sell the idea that you needed to be a genius to work here.
This is the society we are building. Studying the things you should do before working with them is now equivalent to offending people.
wtf are you talking about... Nobody cares how you find/know a solution. Just fix it and get another ticket once you're done.
@@DorianDevelops OK, sorry, maybe I ranted too much. It's just that recently I've seen RUclips channels (not yours) recommending to self-taught people that they should find documentation typos in GitHub projects, commit them in order to build some activity, and use that on their resumes to get hired. This is so ridiculously close to fraud and I was amazed that literally all commenters did not mind it. That really pissed me off. In any case, take the general idea of my comment if the specific details were just an annoying rant.
it's cool how you got your twin in for this video, Dorian.
What about football, hockey, baseball, rugby, soccer, and volleyball games, you'd miss out on? And what about the getting drunk parties?
He really hit the nail on the head...I believe in self-teaching ..we live in XXI century , the century of freedom
Do you have an identical twin!?!? How did you film that!?! I became a self-taught pro dev right before my 38th birthday. It can be done!!
Sidenote: Seahawks baby!!!
At 2:30 he says after 2 years of college your committed to your computer science major which is false. The first 2 years of college are your English 101's and other lower division classes. At the 2 year mark is when you usually declare a major. So you can change it at this time.
Very very very helpful. Glad i found it .
Thanks for the inspiration man
Bro, it is incredibly irresponsible to make these click bait statements. That is an opinion of yours. Please stop trying to jump on the "no school" "nothing but youtube taught me" bandwagon for views. Not everyone learns the same and not everyone just wants a high level, basic view of how computers and web development work. No offense to you but it's becoming quite cliche and I believe you can use your talents and/or knowledge in a much more productive, creative, and encouraging way. Just MY opinion, so worth nothing.
I’m learning Python but I’ve cried a few times when challenges get difficult
I’m in a bootcamp now and I feel stuck. I feel like It’s a been a waste of money and my instructor isn’t very good. I’d be better off dropping out and continue to learn on my own. I’ve taught myself everything already.
Bachelor of Science graduate right here watching this 😂😂😂
1. Learn the fundamentals of the language. 2. Build lots of Projects afterwards.#SelfTaught
Weren't you saying in a recent video how self taught almost always fail or give up
Well that's true for anything tho. Bc people lose interest or don't push past. Not really bc they are essentially inable
My job pays for a 4 year degree so I'll just do that and teach myself coding while doing the dumb gen ed stuff haha
But if truly committed and know some basics Bootcamp is the best way to go rather than college, colleges suck bootcamp can become a catalyst to the process because, if you are serious about it then bootcamp will give you targets and that will help to achieve faster rather than spending 2 years to learning frontend or backend
I went to college and it was great. No regrets
Literally everyone tells me that my college Bachelor's will not require me to build many additional projects and portfolios to land a job because they will see it in my CGPA. I don't know man if its true or not. People around me tell me that employers don't know / can't gauge our ability without a college Bachelor's.
College teaches you Computer science, which isn't just coding.
A lot of tend to miss this part and so they get surprised when they know they have to study math, electronics, algorithms and more.
3:11
Interesting.
4:11
Great.
i am a university student and yes it's BETTER , WAY BETTER TO LEARN HOW TO CODE alone
Dorian what are those soft rectangular lights on top of your computer screen called? I like the soft light they put out. Thanks for your honest review videos
Edx is pretty good for free learning
Hey Dorian, I really appreciate your content and candor... Do you have time to mentor, and how expensive would that be? Thanks👊🏾
I mean... yea it's a way but is it better than going to uni and get an engineering degree? Not necessarily
well self taught (on everything) need a framework ( so you can learn step by step) and can adjust at your own pace
I like scene "i can teach you but you are me"
im doing the odin course its great
I'm self taught and I truly love it, but i have realized that the self taught route only works in webdev.
Not true at all
And the nerve of the bootcamp when they advertise "learn mern stack in 3 months"
I respectfully disagree. If someone is starting out he needs live guidance. Only then he can do it. Not everyone can do self taught.
If you just want to be a web developer? You can take any route. Want a more intellectual role in coding? Get the CS Degree. Assuming everyone just wants to be a web dev is a huge assumption.
Didn't realize how jacked you are
Hey Dorian, Do you have a SELF TAUGHT ROADMAP videos(s) ?
Thank you, man
@pιnned вy Dorian Develops oh, hey fake Dorian, what's up?