I don't think there's any other video that could give you so much info in such a short space of time. Brilliant and concise. I actually learn stuff - like room resonance frequency. Thanks Tarun. 👍👍👍
Hi Tarun, I implemented some of these changes and it has made a significant improvement on my set up. Current rig is Marantz K I signature pm 7200 amp, Marantz CD 7300 and a pair of B & W 603 S3 speakers. Thank you.
Great video! You very quickly clarified much of what I've been seeing and reading over the years. But most important, you helped me see that I'm not doing too badly, which has sufficiently brightened my day. 😄
I once again took my Hifi on holiday with me - this time the Buchardt A500SE plus a Volumio RPi - into a Scottish cottage. And the difference in sound in a new room is once again so much bigger than when you buy a new amp or DAC! Can only recommend to everyone to test their kit in different rooms of their home and choose the best sounding one (and the best speaker position in it) for listening.
You have done it again. Another very interesting video. I don’t use any room treatment. I setup my speakers as your speaker setup video suggested and I’m more than happy. Keep up the good work.
Another great video, many thanks. Room is all important. Its been a while since Ive moved now, but when ive moved house in the past, ive taken the time to check room accoustics as best I can on each viewing and I wont consider a living room with poor accoustics (much to the bafflement of estate agents) . I do not have a dedicated listening room, so its imperitive for me to have decent accoustics in my main room without the need for treatments. Its always astonished me how many top systems ive seen in the past set up badly in a poor room. You could spend half what they did, set it up properly in a decent room and get far better sound. Not thinking about room accoustics is the biggest detriment to hi fidelity sound ive seen over the decades, so its brilliant to see you continue to spread that message!
Hi Tarun. Top explanation (as ever). I set up my listening room 30 years ago when I moved here. We had two small children at the time and I got them to stand in various positions as highly mobile absorbers. Two changes to my room made a significant improvement. A slim tall bookcase was added in the empty corner behind one speaker to break up corner reflections. The biggest improvement however was a heavy wall hanging covering most of one side of my chimney breast, reducing a time-smearing early reflection. I would also note that my system sounds much better since we changed the furniture. The old high-back armchairs absorbed too much of the sound which should reflect from the wall behind the listener. The newer chairs only reach shoulder height and placed a third of the way up the room as widely suggested gives a sound less shut-in and more natural than their predecessors.
Hi Tarun, hopefully you’ll be pleased to know, that I’ve just stuck this highly informative video up on The Naim Forum in ‘The listening room reality’ thread 👍🏼 Best Peter
Hi Tarun - Thank you for this video it is excellent! I expect this will get a lot of views. I know how I will be spending my weekend!!! It is also a comfort to learn from the comments that I am not the only one bobbing my head this way or that or crawling around the room looking for bass Nirvana. Thanks again.
Outstanding explanations as always, Tarun. Thanks! I appreciate you referencing and explaining the acoustics, timing, and pressure zones but reminding us all that speaker and listener placement is the place to start. While not everyone can rearrange their room, it's always the place I start if I'm not happy with the sound. And it's free! One other comment has to do with speaker selection - it's worth pointing out that some speakers are just more finicky in their placement with a smaller sweet-spot of optimum sound.
Thank you David. This video is taken from another I did a few months ago called “Top 5 tips for great sound.” In that video, my first tip is “Know your sound.” Sounds trivial but is far from it in reality. My last tip was about speaker placement and room treatment. It was a long section and I thought it would be worthwhile to breakdown into smaller, digestible sections in this video. Here is a link to my original video. I hope you enjoy it 👍 ruclips.net/video/IY2IehAvwio/видео.html
One unexpected benefit of having a gik absorption/diffusion panel on my back wall, when I play music on my setup, my ears perceive the same loudness satisfaction but when I check the volume indicator, its actually at lesser volumes 🥳
For anyone who doesn't want to or cannot use room treatment I highly recommend looking into The Art of Rational Speaker Placement. A guy named Bob Robbins developed it based on the Sumiko Master Setup method. It's almost like a manual form of room correction that helps you optimize frequency response based on your listening position and the acoustics of your room. As a bonus it also adjusts the height of the center image to be more true to life. It's free aside from a few hours of your time or you can go to his website and for a small fee you can ask him questions about your particular setup. But I'm sure there are other methods that work too. The most important thing is having a consistent set of steps rather than haphazardly moving speaker around the room.
@@papschmoo You are very welcome. Just take your time and be patient with each step! The position of the second speaker came down to a few millimeters for me to get a strong center image, but you'll know when you hear it. Good luck!
@@speaktome4778 I didn't have time today to do more than adjust the rake angle by a centimetre. Last night I wondered why my new set up had the singers sounding like they were sitting down on the floor. Until I saw this video today: I'd never heard of a cure for this problem. I raised the front spikes and was amazed at the improvement to bass, stereo imaging and the singers now sound like they're sitting on chairs. I can't wait for tomorrow to get them to stand up! I'm going to order his online guide and start over from scratch hopefully next week. Thanks again!
Man I’ve got to admit Tarun….A British Audiophile seems like a NASA research arm for Audio! Your in-depth knowledge obviously earned from years of meticulous research and study sparked by a strong interest to get to the bottom of everything is commendable and much applauded and appreciated! But the punch line of your videos not only this important one but also the various others is your articulation! Bravo my friend! Well defined and well selected words bring across exactly what you want to say to your audience and you do it with top marks!! 👏👏👏 No mumbling or incoherent maze of wandering words is how a class act should be presented and A British Audiophile does it in spades! Yeah Tarun I haven’t been commenting a lot but I’ve been watching for sure! 😉Cheers!
I've always found speakers sound more open or livelier when the have no toe-in (pointing straight ahead). I've always found tweaking their position, even by a couple of inches often helps. You could ask a willing friend or family member (or even a resentful one) to move them until you hear the sweet spot. If you can't hit the sweet spot then look at some sort of acoustic panelling. But if you do try and purchase panels that matches the closest to your decor. This is especially important if your listening space is your family living room. Luckily, never had the need for any panels, as I always match the system to the room acoustics. How do you test if your room is reflective? One simple way is to turn the TV or hi-fi off, close the windows and doors and raise your voice above normal conversation levels. If it echoes you know it's reflective, louder the echo the more reflective. Most of the time this can be rectified buy adding rugs or curtains.
Thanks a lot for this one Tarun, like others have said it covers a ton of relevant concepts and topics in a very concise video. I completely agree about the speaker/listener positions being the most important, I have been setting up my first hifi stereo over the past few months and that took SO long to figure out! Settled on about a 6.5 foot equilateral triangle, and a moderate toe-in angle, speakers around 4 feet from both walls. My listening area is mostly bare drywall, so been putting up simple/cheap absorption and diffusion panels to help reduce the liveliness of the room, which has helped so far but not quite there yet! Using Room EQ WIzard (REW) and a miniDSP UMIK-1 measurement mic, my room's RT60 time (T30 metric) is currently (still working on it) 0.4 - 0.8 sec below 200 Hz, and between 0.3 - 0.4s above 200 Hz. In this state, things like acoustical music and vocals sound amazing, but electronic music with super fast transients still sound like they get congested and detail suffers a bit, so trying to drive RT60 down slightly more. I also have a bass trap coming 🥸
Very useful Tarun. I met you recently at Cranage and it was great to chat. Room acoustics is a tricky subject and I spent a lot of time a few years ago experimenting with it in my listening room. GIK Acoustics are an excellent company to deal with and their products offer genuine great value for money and the staff there are super helpful and not pushy giving free advice. Most listening rooms here in the UK are usually smallish or compromised in some way. My own room is only about 3.5 m x 5 m x 2.2 m. The advantage I have over many modern homes is I have a solid concrete floor with oak flooring on top. All the walls are solid brick. I have tried bass traps and reflection panels but aesthetically that's a no no where I have to respect my wife's opinion. The furnishings of the room and limited space just don't lend themselves to treatment. I have two leather setees, a listening chair coffee table , two bookcases and a storage unit for my vinyl and a rug on the floor. Heavy curtains on the window wall. The hi-fi sits on two racks at the end of the room with my speakers either side on stands. Liaising with GIK they admitted that domestic rooms are far harder to advise on than commercial situations as compromises are very different. That is not to criticise GIK in any way , I applaud their honesty and |I am sure many audiophiles have had success in their particular rooms that allow more panels to be placed in. As you said in your conclusion speaker placement is first and foremost the main issue to address. Get that right and everything else will fall into place. It is also a question of knowing what speakers best suit your room. I have tried all types from large floor standers to small stand mounts and both have worked well, but you need to know which is best. That only comes with experience and experimenting. A fascinating subject and one I advise friends on and the many customers I use to sell to when I was in retail.
Thank you Ian. So pleased we got the meet and great to learn about your experiences. This video is an extract from another I did a few months ago. It is an important topic which I thought was worth revisiting so I re-edited it and broke it down into smaller, digestible sections. My original video explores some of the topics you mention. It was called “Top 5 tips for great sound.” Like attached, I hope you enjoy it 👍 ruclips.net/video/IY2IehAvwio/видео.html
Very well presented! Next year we'll be moving into a new home and I will have a dedicated home theater/listening room. I will need to really plan for the layout. Thanks!
Thiankd for yet another great review! Used the original Altair for a few years. Upgraded a few days ago to the Aurender A100 and again not just for sonic quality but also for ease of use. In my opinion streamers should have both: good sound quality / synergy with your amp and a intuitive & stable user interface.
Definitely a valuable topic. I do believe that MANY people need to understand and practice with this topic to get better sound .. instead of just buying more speakers or amps.
Tarun - an area of utmost concern for me, that is strongly related to speaker placement - is to spread out the bass resonance modes; to minimize them summing/canceling. I learned about this from none other than Roy Allison. He gave me a floppy disk (!) with a simple program that did the math, and made the process a lot easier; including giving you the frequencies that would be boosted/cut. So, if you measured the response, it would help figure out which distance/surface was involved. This is done simply by placing your speakers so that the source(s) of the bass output - driver(s) and port(s) are at varying distances from the 6 main room surfaces. The idea is to get these distances to NOT share any common factors (in the math sense of factor). So, having the *same* distance between the center of the woofer(s) and any two of the six room surfaces is a BAD thing. And having a common factor of 8, 4, or 2 is similarly problematic. Obviously, you have to start with the two given distances - the distance from the woofer to the floor and to the ceiling. These can't be controlled - because you need to have the speakers at a good height for getting the best sound. So, hopefully the woofer isn't 4 feet from the floor and 4 feet from the ceiling; or 8 feet from the ceiling. If that's the case, then hopefully the speaker can be lowered by say 6" to eliminate the common 4' mode. Let's say the center of the woofer is 3' from the floor and 5' from the ceiling - that's a good place. You then need to avoid (if possible) the same distances from the wall behind the speakers, and to either of the side walls, from either of the speakers. For arguments sake, let's say the speakers are 2.5' from the wall behind them, and 4.5' from the side walls. Once you have placed the speakers to this level, you can then check the distances to the more distant surfaces, to hopefully confirm they are not sharing a common factor. Once you do this, you can see how some room sizes are better than others - and one "rule" is that if the 3 main room dimensions are all prime numbers, they will make it easier to avoid common modes. Common modes are going to happen with dimensions that are even numbers. For me, getting the bass response as even as possible - is far more important than the effects on soundstage from reflections. Though I do think that if speaker placement works for bass - then it will also work for mids and treble. And doing this *first* can go a long way to tuning a room w/o more things in the room. Another concern I have about subs relates to phase / timing. While placing subs can "distribute" the modes (a good thing, obviously) - it also then has a large effect on the phase / timing of the bass arriving at the listening position(s). This is where subs with continuously variable phase control 0-180 degrees is important. So, subs help but also complicate ...
@@garycarson3280 You're quite welcome! Back at that time, I was able to tame a +16dB standing wave at ~40Hz down to a *much* more tolerable +4dB bump. My Snell Acoustics Type E/II speakers sounded *much* better, as you might imagine. I then used drinking straws cut to the length of their port in a bundle that filled the port, to knock another ~1-1.5dB off AND this extended the bass a couple of Hz lower - a win-win.
Thank you for raising this Neil. This is a topic I haven’t discussed and should probably do a video on in its own right. Excellent, thorough explanation. If I may add something, it would be this… Use the measurements of your room in relation to the woofer/s as a starting point. As Neil has explained you don’t want a direct arithmetic relationship between the distance from the centre of the woofer(s) to the various horizontal and vertical points of first reflection. However, in practice, rooms rarely have null and peaks where they are supposed to exist if simple geometry was to prevail. This is primarily because they do not tend to be perfectly symmetrical and contain surfaces made from different materials with different absorption coefficients. Final placement should be done by listening and moving the speakers in systematic way 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Agreed! A calibrated microphone and a laptop running a program like REW is a very useful tool. And I think the frequency modeling can be done in that program; that is far more functional than the program I had used all those years ago. It also makes sense that the more bass a speaker is capable of, the more this process is needed. Subwoofers have the same need, along with the integration of the music coming from more locations at different distances from the listener. I have recently become an advocate for speakers that are designed to to be placed close(r) to the wall behind them. This means that you can get more extended bass from a smaller speaker, and this makes the bass better quality (all else being equal) because the woofer is smaller AND because more of the music is coming from the same location; making the phase timing better.
Speaker placement is critical to real quality of sound. Finding true center and the tweeter/midrange elevation with respect to your ears. Some may see some of this as trifling. They miss the mark. Enjoying your music to the full improves your quality of life. Acoustics are important also. If you have two way monitors, a very stable, highly dampened speaker stand pair will drain off excess energy and allow your speakers to shine their true colors. Cheers Tarun on another fun video. Some don’t know what they are missing.
I love this channel for all the right reasons. Thank you, Tarun. I wish I were, as my mum (Cardiff, Wales) says "back home" just for having a bit less expensive access to British audio and speakers. I am keen on KEF, Acoustic Energy, Mission, Monitor Audio and Wharfedale speakers, in fact, I very much like my brother's old KEF Reference 104.2 speakers. I had seen REL subs bantered about on a few channels including yours, but I had no idea that they were a Welsh company. For the time being, I am getting by with my Vandersteen Model 1B with a very underwhelming Yamaha 100W (yeah right...) receiver. I believe either Cambridge or Rotel integrated amp is my future upgrade. I am generally a more entry-level Hi-Fi sort of consumer, but that doesn't stop a boy from dreaming... Sadly, my ProJect Debut III needs a little love, but I should be able to sort that out for well under $100 quid with a replacement motor. La vida...
Another excellent video sir and a topic near and dear to me. My smallish living/listening room definitely requires some treatment, along with careful equipment choices and set up. However, before putting down hard earned money on room treatment, significant research is a good starting point. So much misinformation out there. Foam as a bass trap comes immediately to mind.
My advice is to try different setups for at least days. Then ask yourself how enjoyable is your music. This is key. I messed around with 1 to 4 absorbers behind the speakers and in the back corners of the room. With each absorber added, the clarity in base response and focus of instruments improved. But I lost the impact an drive of the music. I really did not enjoyed but examined my music. After weeks I of not listening I removed them all one day. What a pleasure the drive and musical flow was. My joy for musical pleasure was back. It was to much dampening. Now I start over more carefully with little change in positioning. I put down transparent tape on the floor at two corners of the speakers and mark the alternative positions for easy recovery. Have fun listening.
Excellent as always. You could always go more in depth on this. Room treatment is something that many reviewers are starting to address. It's something I look forward to stepping into this fall. (yard work first). Maybe next you could look into products like those from Synergistic Research. They use electronic noise cancelation of some sort to achieve the desired room tuning. Maybe first treat the room. Then incorporate the electronic methods. Then maybe room correction software. Dirac live or REW on a mini DSP. Or is one superior to the others canceling the need for more. Please help straighten this out.
I am new to audio, and I have a technically poorly shaped room for audio 13x14. I did learn about the golden triangle and application in room of my shape has actually made my sound better than my previous 16x10 room. I had never heard of it and I am sure it may be possibly known in the community, but for those that dont check it out.
I live in an apartment, where bass disturbing the neighbors could be an issue. So, I used "room EQ" to intentionally place my listening position in an area with naturally higher bass response. It's kind of the opposite of what most suggest, but I get deeper bass, and it's only audible in my sweet spot. This allows me to cut bass by about 6dB without things sounding too thin.
Excellent as always Tarun. I toe in speakers but there have been occasions in the past where off axis has worked in a different environment. Heavy furnishing is good enough room treatment for me.
As usual, am absolutely excellent video. In my opinion, 2nd only in terms of controversy to cables. There are an abundance of things in the average family lounge/listening room which will alter the acoustic ambiance of the room as I found out when my wife took down our thermal lined, heavy winter drapes and put up light weight, single skinned summer curtains and again, when I updated our heavy, leather, recliner sofas for lighter, static, fabric sofas. So, I take on board that room treatment could, make a noticeable difference to the acoustic properties of the room. Whether that difference represents an improvement, is surely down to the personal taste of the listener. In my experience and humble opinion, the amount of soft furnishings found in the average size British family lounge, is sufficient to negate the necessity for further treatment. I’ve watched dozens of tutorial videos on acoustic room treatment and observed a multitude of different view points. I think that all too frequently, acoustic room treatment is presented as a costly solution to a non-existent, or at least, insignificant problem. I’ve absolutely no room treatment, other than a large plush rug deployed between and in front of my floor standers. I do employ multiple small, relatively low powered subs around the room for a more even bass distribution. As I am the only audiophile in our household, I only need to concentrate on getting the balance right at a single listening position. Could the audio reproduction in my listening space be improved with room treatment or DSP? May be, but I reckon, like yourself, good placement gets you 70% there and as much as I love my music, I also love my wife. If I were to start erecting bass traps, installing defusers and absorption panels, the cost of divorce would far outweigh any potential benefits. Keep up those excellent videos and most of all, enjoy the music.
The only reflective surfaces in my room are the ceiling and the wall behind where i sit., This may appear to be an overly absorbent room but it is not. I can sit at double the distance between the speakers and still receive the direct sound first. This opens up the soundstage in both width and depth and i am able to hear the natural reverberation that the mics pick up at the recording session, without the room diluting it.
Hi Tarun, I have left a message on the F700 review. My name is David Hart from Hart Audio 12 years in the making. I have a pair of small tower speakers using 8" Tannoy's that play Leftfield (Leftism) et al at high volumes. Leftfield use sub 20Hz signal in most of the tracks. Theses small speakers display 16Hz +/-2db. And they do it loud. There are 50 drivers in a pair. Making for very deep bass at high volumes with a low real estate footprint of 25cm x 20cm x 130cm. They give a big speaker output in a small enclosure. They would retail for £50k but no distribution as I've only just finished them. So maybe available direct. I am in the UK on the Isle of Wight. I would be grateful if you could come to hear them. Best regards, David
@@abritishaudiophile7314 hi Tarun just streaming this at the moment on a Saturday evening here in Australia thought I might share it with you and your followers. Keith Greeninger. Blue Coast Collection. Beautiful recording.🎧😁
SoX (command tool GNU/Linux) and my chair are the equalizers that improved the bad geometry of my room. If could, I would start with a good geometry. Thanks for talking about this very important topic.
Short and to the point! Bravo! Since I live in a rented house, I use carpets, furnitures and potted plants to mitigate those reflections. You have to be creative with what you got, right? Thanks for another great video!
Thanks Tarun. I was particularly interested to hear your comments on symmetry. I am lucky enough to have a dedicated listening room and have been experimenting with speaker and chair placement. I was surprised to find that by moving the speaker-chair triangle off axis of the rectangular room, so that the axis was closer to the diagonal of the room, there is an improvement in clarity and soundstage. I don't know why this could be, maybe it breaks up some standing waves or changes some sidewall reflections? Anyway, I've been having fun experimenting and I will probably keep doing so for a while yet before thinking about adding any special room treatment. Thanks again for your videos and thoughts!
Good stuff, and just the highlights -- the most audible issues first and most important. I've offered this before; it was taught to me by a prominent audio recording engineer/musician I worked for. To get a clear idea of what your room sounds like, and what it does to your speakers and music, try plugging one ear with a finger and listening. It won't sound very good, but it will give you a better idea of what your room is doing to the sound you're providing. This disables your brain's ability to focus on directionality and distance, and allows you to hear more clearly what the room is doing to your music. You may hear your room 'doing a lot' to the music -- thus probably needing treatment. Alternately, and not so often, you may be pleased with what you hear. Perhaps you need little to no treatment. In any case, you will hear much different sound with one ear: the music with all of the room 'contributions' exposed. It can, at least, give you 'marching orders' to make changes. -Just one man's view.
Thank you Jim. I do that a shows. Plug one ear an listen directly on axis to one speaker as close as is sensible. It is good to gain a snap shot of the sound of the speaker 😊
Anyone who is going to take their music seriously should invest in Sonarworks Reference software as their starting point. Room acoustics is no laughing matter and should never be underestimated or ignored but there is a level of diminishing return. Its not all about room treatment although that is important, its about matching your setup/sound to the environment sadly most modern systems no longer come with built in EQ features and if your bass is bad no matter how much you spend you will never get the sound to be even close to right. Thats why streaming software like JRIver media centre are so important, it can natively run vst plugins so you can correct the EQ tweak the stereo image and add in what extra harmonics you want. including tape and valve emulation making any modest sounding system sound like one costing the earth, no its not perfect but its great fun to play around with.
Thank you for the video. You said the back of the speakers should be about 3 feet away from the wall. Is that the same for the relationship between the side I’d the speaker and the side wall? Thank you. Mark
@@abritishaudiophile7314 apparently very short list, is this because of lacking of good speakers or you did not hear a lot of them, what abiut other european brands.. Would you please extend your list becaise whta you mentioned maybe are out of my budget, thanks for your response .
Thanks a lot, Tarun, excellent video as always. You do a great job in explaining in a very clear way even the most technical aspects of speaker placement. Listening to your explanations, it’s clear that I’ve got a long way to go in adequate placement. At present, my left speaker is just 33 cm away from the side wall and 64 cm from the back wall while the right one sits 2.50 mts. from the side wall and same distance as the left from the back wall. Right in front of both speakers, I have a large coffee table with a thick glass top. The thing is there is very little I can do as my system sits in our living room (about 45 sq mts) and it’s very difficult to find a suitable compromise regarding aesthetics and also the WAF. Any suggestions/advice to reduce the imbalance? I have a pair of Spica TC 60, very much a vintage model now but still great soundstage, imaging and midrange. Thanks a lot and best regards. Ignacio
Thank you Ignicio. It can be tricky when you don’t have a dedicated listening space. I would try to place something to deal with the first reflection on the left side. If you can’t remove the coffee table, place a thick fabric over it when critically listening 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks a lot for the advice, Tarun. Greatly appreciated. What would you suggest to absorb the reflection from the left speaker? I have a painting right above it but I don’t know if this does the trick. Kind regards, Ignacio
@A British Audiophile Many thanks again, Tarun, very grateful. When you say “Absorb at the first reflection point” what do you mean exactly? Kind regards, Ignacio
I always believed that the single most important factor in how ones system sounds is the ROOM. The speakers will sound completely different when placed in another room. No matter how expensive your gears are they won't perform at their best unless the rooms acoustics is addressed. Great speakers will sound bad in a highly reflective room while a good set of speakers will sound great in a well treated room. In my dedicated home theater room which is only about 25% treated my RT60 is about 250ms.
Assuming using decent speakers. The speaker placement and the listening position are very important. But after that the room itself will account mostly for how good sound quality you get. My room originally was ceramic floor tiles and thin curtains over the windows. Had horrible floor bounces and echoes throughout the room. Thick underlay and carpet, plus roller blinds and velvet curtains sorted that out completely. Then later I stepped it up a level with acoustic room treatments. 4 inch broadband absorbers with front scattering plates. Hybrid cylindrical absorption/diffusers. Plus a few wooden diffusers. Is a small room but now music sounds much more immersive. Room sounds a bit larger, and is non fatiguing even at fairly high volume levels. Acoustic room treatment is a must have if you get the WAF. So many wife friendly options now that look like decorative art you wouldn't even know it's room treatment.
My situation is complicated. I have a large loft conversion which is a large wide "L" shape. The ceiling walls and floor are all wood, (looks Scandinavian). The ceiling is close to an apex shape so the room shape is a little like breaking a Toblerone bar in half and forming an L shape out of the two halves. I use one half, which is about 18ft across at floor level and about 25ft long. I sit at about 15ft from the gable end wall, and have my speakers forming roughly an equilateral triangle from me. The space behind, in front, and on both sides are completely asymmetric. All good fun. I have learned over many years to poke my head into different positions in the room to get varying effects. Stand behind the chaise long (spelling) and lower bass is more present. If my head is the height of the drivers, violins are the sweetest. if I stand up, I get a little reflection from the angled roof. That amplifies male voices more than higher female voices for some reason. Its like a hall of mirrors for hi-fi 😁 I put up with imperfection because its my escape den. Still sounds very good. Knoppfler guitar is magic if I move my head around.
Oh no Tarun! Your nice decorated room does not looking like a mixing studio and I believe it's now de rigueur to have bass trap absorption and diffusion panels in plain sight. I thought you'd know this! 😀
Soundwise you want a stereo (symmetrical) 3D image. But forget the idea (goal) of setting up your speakers symmetrical. If the left is 1" further to the side and the right toes in slightly more, so be it. As for rake, some speakers already point (mids) highs up to be reflected from the ceiling. Bass can be tricky, in particular with a tile floor (uncontrolable bass). As for numbers (distances), they are startingpoints at best.
Sitting 30 degrees does sound amazing but I noticed some instruments do not sound correct they sound a bit too harsh. It’s interesting how some brands recommend x1 from the centre line and Harbeth recommend even further back. For me around 26 degrees works best with speakers 1m from sides.
Excellent as ever. I think the variability of furnishings absorption can also effect room modes considerably. In discussing the design of concert halls with colleagues at Arup acoustics, the impact of seatings absorption is, I think, usually under-appreciated. 2000 seats of uncertain absorption, even when lab-tested, will have significant impact upon otherwise carefully designed architectural form and surface finish. Thanks for everything. (Will you ever consider headphones??!! - just asking!)
Thank you David. I agree, a well furnished room will help bring the RT60 time down considerably. No plans to get into headphones as yet but never say never 👍
Almost forgot. One of the reasons I find your reviews so credible is the video tour you did of your room. Plenty of room around and behind the speakers, plenty of room around and behind your listening position and no big stacks of equipment or TVs between your speakers. And let's face it, no way can one achieve proper bass with big 3-way speakers in a 12ft x 15ft room.
Being lazy and having no space , i've opted for the 'Overwhelm the Room " method . i plopped down my polk L600s on either side of the tv at the foot of my bed , toed them in , bought a big enough amp to wake them up and 💥 😂😎
great information as always. its amazing how subtle changes in how you set up a room can make huge changes in sound. I find even shifting my head position in the sweet spot can bring down some of the high frequency sheen that i dont really like. I have a closed side and a wide open side. Adding a floor to ceiling bass trap really helped tamper down the huge bass energy in the corner of the closed side (i have Goldenear triton 3+s with the built in powered subs, BIG bass). I recently added in a minidsp SHD studio to see how Dirac plays in my space. Its almost embarrassing that I thought my system sounded great before. Dirac, for me, is a game changer. Its a real shame that there is not a video on youtube going in depth on using dirac for two channel. Tons of HT vids about it but only one or two for two channel (i think the minidsp solutions might be the only dedicated 2 channel dirac options right now).
@@abritishaudiophile7314 - Ron is a good guy and his heart is in the right place. He calls things as they are. Much like yourself but you both have a very different presentation style - different in a good way.
Hello All, a digital beginers question. I am in the process of ripping my CDs(300) onto my windows PC in FLAC format and would like to transfer them to a stand alone device for replay via a bluesound node 2i. If I copy the ripped CDs onto a standalone hard drive, SSD type, and plug that into the bluesound would that sound good and work well ? .............or is it more complicared than that........ ? ,
It would have been helpful if you had addressed an apparent discrepancy, namely that the room in which your speakers are placed, the room with the fireplace, appears to have little to no passive room treatment. I'm sure that there's an explanation and I doubt I'm alone in wondering about it. Out of politeness I hesitated to bring this up but think it important to gain some clarity from you on this issue.
Hi Geoffrey, that is a very fair question. My room is not a dedicated listening space. A situation that I am sure many people find themselves in. It is primarily a family living space. Undoubtedly, I could achieve better performance if I had a dedicated room, properly set up but that isn’t an option for the foreseeable future. That said, most well furnished living spaces can be set up to make very decent listening environments as long as someone understands the limitations of what they are working with and optimises accordingly. For example, the fireplace can be an issue. To negate the impact it could have on clarity and central imaging, I have to pull speakers out further in the room. This is generally 110cm to 120cm rather than the 90cm I mentioned in the video. There are a few other tricks I have up my sleeve but unfortunately too much to get into here 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thank you Tarun for the courtesy of a prompt reply. I can sympathize, as I have similar restrictions upon what I can do with my room as well. Food for thought: perhaps should you ever do a video on those tricks you've got up your sleeve you might precede that with a request for ideas from your listeners. For instance, I hang a large tapestry upon the first reflection point on one wall. Behind the tapestry I've hung some 1.5" thick DiY absorbers. Though compared to commercial solutions of limited effect, it is IMO worthwhile. The other side opens into a large open space so no real reflection point upon that side. You might then evaluate the submitted ideas that are easily implemented that offer promise and then only include the ones you can recommend.
For me its nonsense to spend 10k or more on High Resolution Speakers with the newest High Tech Driver and destroy their ,,power,, with zero room treatment. Room Acoustics are way more important instead of the Gear Chase. But most people spend their money into the latest audio gear, instead of building an room concept with Acoustics
Personally I think room treatments can also turn into a chase and is very hit and miss and you can spend silly money on acoustic panels etc. I gave up on this after minor results for the effort, expense and frankly naff cosmetics and just bought a Lyngdorf RP amplifier instead. Much much better result ( for me) and no more acoustic treatment chasing.Each to their own of course but the difference to me is astonishing.
I think the confusion comes from the professional industry where they are building studios. The goals there are different and they have to be treated due to generally having minimal furnishings. In most livings spaces people will desire a higher RT60 time which is achievable on the most part by having a well furnished space 😊
@@gdubyadubya8961 I do agree that room treatments cost a lot of money. And that's why a lot of enthusiasts go the DIY route. It's fairly easy to make absorber panels. Lots of video tutorials in RUclips.
You can down software from REW and get a calibrated mic like the Unik-1 if you want to do it throughly. Alternatively, this is probably an app for your smartphone that will give you a rough idea 😊
Taron, a question regarding your speaker position video. You measured 85cm from speaker to wall but on your left wall there's a big cabinet and I think you still considered the wall. I have a big bookshelf covering 3/4 of lenght and hight of a wall and I always assumed that as the wall. To make it worst, I have an open passage on the other wall. So how does one go about that?
The reality is that many of us have to live with compromises. The bookshelf will provide some diffusion of the sound field so won’t be quite like a flat wall 😊
I dont know of any normal sized rooms with furniture that have an echo. In other words i dont understand room treatment unless you live in a gymnasium.
it is worth leaving a 6" gap on your first reflections panels in line with the tweeters, too much suction out in the top range can make it sound as you said not very lively. yes it's important to have your speakers lined up exactly to in 0.8 of a millimetre to eliminate comb effect below 660Hz. only exception to this is the resistance of the speakers are not exact to each other, so actually having one slightly forward to the other can be a correction. good you said about the gap! telling people for last 5-years to make sure there's a gap between your panels and the wall even better lie some natural wool fleece on the wall first before the panels, especially if solid walls. same if you have a quadratic diffuser just remove the back so it's open for bass notes
By far the most important thing you can do to get good bass is not to overload the room with energy. Anything else is fixable with setup, eq and treatment.
If the room is (ok)… I’m good. But if it’s somewhat Bouncy, or accentuating certain frequency ranges, forget it. One can tell in a few seconds. I’ve been very lucky with my spaces in the past. Most were conducive as is. But man… when you’re in a room that splats… I don’t care how you point this and that. Opinion expressed very non technically. Hope you’re doing well, my friend!
#1. Get big speakers (15" woofer or dual 8"). #2. Good amp (100wpc +). #3. Get a decent dac. Turn it up loud! Lots of little things after that like preamp, source, etc.
I've noticed many reviewers on RUclips reviewing speakers with sound demonstrations in untreated rooms. Very strange. In my small listening room I ended up with 19 bass traps to get things to sound right. Six are sealed limp membrane traps and the rest are velocity traps. Many people believe that you can't have large speakers in a small room. Well you can, but it will cost a lot of money in bass traps and probably more than the cost of the speakers.
Unfortunately, my room is not a dedicated listening space. It is primarily a family living space which is a situation that most people find themselves in. I could certainly get better performance if I had a dedicated space. However, well furnished living spaces can make decent listening spaces if set up properly. That was something I hope was communicated in this video 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Hi Tarun, I wasn't referring to your reviews. I was referring to people who put videos on you tube playing music to demonstrate various speakers in untreated rooms. Many of these demonstration videos make good speakers sound dreadful.
The space and treatment is about half of the sound usually. Putting more money into a system in a bad space is a waste and cheap speakers can sound fantastic in an optimal environment.
They're are actually some diffusers with 30cm depth (11.8 inches) and even bigger. Those one's you need a very big room or they won't be effective. RPG do custom diffusers in that size depth. Most of the biggest diffusers from GIK and similar companies are about 6 to 10 inch depth max. As there catered to more normal domestic sized rooms. My cylindrical hybrid absorption/diffusers are 6 inches depth at it's deepest. These ones you can sit closer to them, around 5 or 6 feet away.
I don't think there's any other video that could give you so much info in such a short space of time. Brilliant and concise. I actually learn stuff - like room resonance frequency. Thanks Tarun. 👍👍👍
Thank you Ada. Very kind of you to say and much appreciated 😊👍
Hi Tarun, I implemented some of these changes and it has made a significant improvement on my set up.
Current rig is Marantz K I signature pm 7200 amp, Marantz CD 7300 and a pair of B & W 603 S3 speakers.
Thank you.
@@wesleygovender6579 that is great 👍
Great video! You very quickly clarified much of what I've been seeing and reading over the years. But most important, you helped me see that I'm not doing too badly, which has sufficiently brightened my day. 😄
Thank you Ronald. Much appreciated 😊👍
Thanks Tarun. I did treat for reflected sound and have enjoyed the benefits.
Thank you Jim 😊
I once again took my Hifi on holiday with me - this time the Buchardt A500SE plus a Volumio RPi - into a Scottish cottage. And the difference in sound in a new room is once again so much bigger than when you buy a new amp or DAC! Can only recommend to everyone to test their kit in different rooms of their home and choose the best sounding one (and the best speaker position in it) for listening.
Wow.! That is some portable system. Thank you for sharing 😊
Not great if the best room turns out to be your ground floor toilet.🙂 Least the seating position is set for you.
You are the Ben Kingsley of HiFi, the Gandhi of Audiophiles. Excellent video, meticulously explained. "In a gentle way, you can shake the world."
Thank you Robertus. That is very flattering 😊👍
You have done it again. Another very interesting video. I don’t use any room treatment. I setup my speakers as your speaker setup video suggested and I’m more than happy. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Richard. Much appreciated 😊👍
Another great video, many thanks.
Room is all important. Its been a while since Ive moved now, but when ive moved house in the past, ive taken the time to check room accoustics as best I can on each viewing and I wont consider a living room with poor accoustics (much to the bafflement of estate agents) . I do not have a dedicated listening room, so its imperitive for me to have decent accoustics in my main room without the need for treatments.
Its always astonished me how many top systems ive seen in the past set up badly in a poor room. You could spend half what they did, set it up properly in a decent room and get far better sound. Not thinking about room accoustics is the biggest detriment to hi fidelity sound ive seen over the decades, so its brilliant to see you continue to spread that message!
Thank you buddy. Always great to learn about your experiences 😊
Good morning!
Very much looking forward to to seeing this also!
Al. USA
Thank you Hal 👍
Hi Tarun. Top explanation (as ever).
I set up my listening room 30 years ago when I moved here. We had two small children at the time and I got them to stand in various positions as highly mobile absorbers. Two changes to my room made a significant improvement. A slim tall bookcase was added in the empty corner behind one speaker to break up corner reflections. The biggest improvement however was a heavy wall hanging covering most of one side of my chimney breast, reducing a time-smearing early reflection.
I would also note that my system sounds much better since we changed the furniture. The old high-back armchairs absorbed too much of the sound which should reflect from the wall behind the listener. The newer chairs only reach shoulder height and placed a third of the way up the room as widely suggested gives a sound less shut-in and more natural than their predecessors.
Thank you John. Great to learn about your experiences 😊👍
Hi Tarun, hopefully you’ll be pleased to know, that I’ve just stuck this highly informative video up on The Naim Forum in ‘The listening room reality’ thread 👍🏼 Best Peter
Thank you my friend. That is greatly appreciated 😊👍
Hi Tarun - Thank you for this video it is excellent! I expect this will get a lot of views. I know how I will be spending my weekend!!! It is also a comfort to learn from the comments that I am not the only one bobbing my head this way or that or crawling around the room looking for bass Nirvana. Thanks again.
Thank you Gary. I would wear some knee protectors 😂👍
As always brilliant video ,full of detailed information… thanks a lot
Thank you Atri. Very much appreciated 😊👍
Outstanding explanations as always, Tarun. Thanks! I appreciate you referencing and explaining the acoustics, timing, and pressure zones but reminding us all that speaker and listener placement is the place to start. While not everyone can rearrange their room, it's always the place I start if I'm not happy with the sound. And it's free! One other comment has to do with speaker selection - it's worth pointing out that some speakers are just more finicky in their placement with a smaller sweet-spot of optimum sound.
Thank you David. This video is taken from another I did a few months ago called “Top 5 tips for great sound.” In that video, my first tip is “Know your sound.” Sounds trivial but is far from it in reality. My last tip was about speaker placement and room treatment. It was a long section and I thought it would be worthwhile to breakdown into smaller, digestible sections in this video. Here is a link to my original video. I hope you enjoy it 👍
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One unexpected benefit of having a gik absorption/diffusion panel on my back wall, when I play music on my setup, my ears perceive the same loudness satisfaction but when I check the volume indicator, its actually at lesser volumes 🥳
Thank you for sharing buddy 😊
For anyone who doesn't want to or cannot use room treatment I highly recommend looking into The Art of Rational Speaker Placement. A guy named Bob Robbins developed it based on the Sumiko Master Setup method. It's almost like a manual form of room correction that helps you optimize frequency response based on your listening position and the acoustics of your room. As a bonus it also adjusts the height of the center image to be more true to life. It's free aside from a few hours of your time or you can go to his website and for a small fee you can ask him questions about your particular setup. But I'm sure there are other methods that work too. The most important thing is having a consistent set of steps rather than haphazardly moving speaker around the room.
Thank you for sharing 👍
Thanks so much. I watched his one hour lecture and I can't wait to try his method.
@@papschmoo You are very welcome. Just take your time and be patient with each step! The position of the second speaker came down to a few millimeters for me to get a strong center image, but you'll know when you hear it. Good luck!
@@speaktome4778 I didn't have time today to do more than adjust the rake angle by a centimetre. Last night I wondered why my new set up had the singers sounding like they were sitting down on the floor. Until I saw this video today: I'd never heard of a cure for this problem. I raised the front spikes and was amazed at the improvement to bass, stereo imaging and the singers now sound like they're sitting on chairs. I can't wait for tomorrow to get them to stand up! I'm going to order his online guide and start over from scratch hopefully next week. Thanks again!
Man I’ve got to admit Tarun….A British Audiophile seems like a NASA research arm for Audio! Your in-depth knowledge obviously earned from years of meticulous research and study sparked by a strong interest to get to the bottom of everything is commendable and much applauded and appreciated! But the punch line of your videos not only this important one but also the various others is your articulation! Bravo my friend! Well defined and well selected words bring across exactly what you want to say to your audience and you do it with top marks!! 👏👏👏
No mumbling or incoherent maze of wandering words is how a class act should be presented and A British Audiophile does it in spades!
Yeah Tarun I haven’t been commenting a lot but I’ve been watching for sure! 😉Cheers!
Thank you Shane. I have to say getting feedback like that is what makes this so worthwhile. Your kind words mean more that I can express here 👍😊👍
Wow , thanks For informative video , have to save it and try at home .. thanks again Tarun
Thank you Atri 😊
Very clear and useful info as always. I found Dirac helped me quite a lot with a difficult room.
Thank you Monty. Dirac can be very effective in flattening the bass response in particular 😊
I've always found speakers sound more open or livelier when the have no toe-in (pointing straight ahead). I've always found tweaking their position, even by a couple of inches often helps. You could ask a willing friend or family member (or even a resentful one) to move them until you hear the sweet spot. If you can't hit the sweet spot then look at some sort of acoustic panelling. But if you do try and purchase panels that matches the closest to your decor. This is especially important if your listening space is your family living room.
Luckily, never had the need for any panels, as I always match the system to the room acoustics.
How do you test if your room is reflective? One simple way is to turn the TV or hi-fi off, close the windows and doors and raise your voice above normal conversation levels. If it echoes you know it's reflective, louder the echo the more reflective. Most of the time this can be rectified buy adding rugs or curtains.
Thank you for sharing Richard 😊
Got my popcorn and a front row seat, now waiting in anticipation for the opening performance 🍿
I hope you enjoy it 😊
I know there are debates on cables but is room treatment a controversy too? I havent picked up on that
@@bingoberra18 not a controversy but a complex topic with much misleading information out there 😊
Thanks a lot for this one Tarun, like others have said it covers a ton of relevant concepts and topics in a very concise video. I completely agree about the speaker/listener positions being the most important, I have been setting up my first hifi stereo over the past few months and that took SO long to figure out! Settled on about a 6.5 foot equilateral triangle, and a moderate toe-in angle, speakers around 4 feet from both walls. My listening area is mostly bare drywall, so been putting up simple/cheap absorption and diffusion panels to help reduce the liveliness of the room, which has helped so far but not quite there yet! Using Room EQ WIzard (REW) and a miniDSP UMIK-1 measurement mic, my room's RT60 time (T30 metric) is currently (still working on it) 0.4 - 0.8 sec below 200 Hz, and between 0.3 - 0.4s above 200 Hz. In this state, things like acoustical music and vocals sound amazing, but electronic music with super fast transients still sound like they get congested and detail suffers a bit, so trying to drive RT60 down slightly more. I also have a bass trap coming 🥸
Great to learn about your experiences Sasha 😊
Very useful Tarun. I met you recently at Cranage and it was great to chat. Room acoustics is a tricky subject and I spent a lot of time a few years ago experimenting with it in my listening room. GIK Acoustics are an excellent company to deal with and their products offer genuine great value for money and the staff there are super helpful and not pushy giving free advice. Most listening rooms here in the UK are usually smallish or compromised in some way. My own room is only about 3.5 m x 5 m x 2.2 m. The advantage I have over many modern homes is I have a solid concrete floor with oak flooring on top. All the walls are solid brick. I have tried bass traps and reflection panels but aesthetically that's a no no where I have to respect my wife's opinion. The furnishings of the room and limited space just don't lend themselves to treatment. I have two leather setees, a listening chair coffee table , two bookcases and a storage unit for my vinyl and a rug on the floor. Heavy curtains on the window wall. The hi-fi sits on two racks at the end of the room with my speakers either side on stands. Liaising with GIK they admitted that domestic rooms are far harder to advise on than commercial situations as compromises are very different. That is not to criticise GIK in any way , I applaud their honesty and |I am sure many audiophiles have had success in their particular rooms that allow more panels to be placed in. As you said in your conclusion speaker placement is first and foremost the main issue to address. Get that right and everything else will fall into place. It is also a question of knowing what speakers best suit your room. I have tried all types from large floor standers to small stand mounts and both have worked well, but you need to know which is best. That only comes with experience and experimenting. A fascinating subject and one I advise friends on and the many customers I use to sell to when I was in retail.
Thank you Ian. So pleased we got the meet and great to learn about your experiences. This video is an extract from another I did a few months ago. It is an important topic which I thought was worth revisiting so I re-edited it and broke it down into smaller, digestible sections. My original video explores some of the topics you mention. It was called “Top 5 tips for great sound.” Like attached, I hope you enjoy it 👍
ruclips.net/video/IY2IehAvwio/видео.html
Enjoyed the video Tarun thank you.
Thank you Russell 😊
I really love your videos. Thanks. P.S. I have just restored my old Rogers Studio 1's. Magnificent. Cheers from northern Australia.
Thank you. Much appreciated 😊👍
Very well presented! Next year we'll be moving into a new home and I will have a dedicated home theater/listening room. I will need to really plan for the layout. Thanks!
Thank you. Good luck with the move 👍
As always, very interesting! Thank U
Thank you 😊
Very much looking forward to this!
Thank you Renato 😊👍
Thiankd for yet another great review!
Used the original Altair for a few years. Upgraded a few days ago to the Aurender A100 and again not just for sonic quality but also for ease of use.
In my opinion streamers should have both: good sound quality / synergy with your amp and a intuitive & stable user interface.
Definitely a valuable topic. I do believe that MANY people need to understand and practice with this topic to get better sound .. instead of just buying more speakers or amps.
Thank you 😊
Tarun - an area of utmost concern for me, that is strongly related to speaker placement - is to spread out the bass resonance modes; to minimize them summing/canceling. I learned about this from none other than Roy Allison. He gave me a floppy disk (!) with a simple program that did the math, and made the process a lot easier; including giving you the frequencies that would be boosted/cut. So, if you measured the response, it would help figure out which distance/surface was involved.
This is done simply by placing your speakers so that the source(s) of the bass output - driver(s) and port(s) are at varying distances from the 6 main room surfaces. The idea is to get these distances to NOT share any common factors (in the math sense of factor).
So, having the *same* distance between the center of the woofer(s) and any two of the six room surfaces is a BAD thing. And having a common factor of 8, 4, or 2 is similarly problematic.
Obviously, you have to start with the two given distances - the distance from the woofer to the floor and to the ceiling. These can't be controlled - because you need to have the speakers at a good height for getting the best sound. So, hopefully the woofer isn't 4 feet from the floor and 4 feet from the ceiling; or 8 feet from the ceiling. If that's the case, then hopefully the speaker can be lowered by say 6" to eliminate the common 4' mode.
Let's say the center of the woofer is 3' from the floor and 5' from the ceiling - that's a good place. You then need to avoid (if possible) the same distances from the wall behind the speakers, and to either of the side walls, from either of the speakers. For arguments sake, let's say the speakers are 2.5' from the wall behind them, and 4.5' from the side walls.
Once you have placed the speakers to this level, you can then check the distances to the more distant surfaces, to hopefully confirm they are not sharing a common factor.
Once you do this, you can see how some room sizes are better than others - and one "rule" is that if the 3 main room dimensions are all prime numbers, they will make it easier to avoid common modes. Common modes are going to happen with dimensions that are even numbers.
For me, getting the bass response as even as possible - is far more important than the effects on soundstage from reflections. Though I do think that if speaker placement works for bass - then it will also work for mids and treble. And doing this *first* can go a long way to tuning a room w/o more things in the room.
Another concern I have about subs relates to phase / timing. While placing subs can "distribute" the modes (a good thing, obviously) - it also then has a large effect on the phase / timing of the bass arriving at the listening position(s). This is where subs with continuously variable phase control 0-180 degrees is important. So, subs help but also complicate ...
Thanks, Neil! Definitely going to check this out.
@@garycarson3280 You're quite welcome! Back at that time, I was able to tame a +16dB standing wave at ~40Hz down to a *much* more tolerable +4dB bump. My Snell Acoustics Type E/II speakers sounded *much* better, as you might imagine. I then used drinking straws cut to the length of their port in a bundle that filled the port, to knock another ~1-1.5dB off AND this extended the bass a couple of Hz lower - a win-win.
Thank you for raising this Neil. This is a topic I haven’t discussed and should probably do a video on in its own right. Excellent, thorough explanation. If I may add something, it would be this…
Use the measurements of your room in relation to the woofer/s as a starting point. As Neil has explained you don’t want a direct arithmetic relationship between the distance from the centre of the woofer(s) to the various horizontal and vertical points of first reflection.
However, in practice, rooms rarely have null and peaks where they are supposed to exist if simple geometry was to prevail. This is primarily because they do not tend to be perfectly symmetrical and contain surfaces made from different materials with different absorption coefficients. Final placement should be done by listening and moving the speakers in systematic way 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Agreed! A calibrated microphone and a laptop running a program like REW is a very useful tool. And I think the frequency modeling can be done in that program; that is far more functional than the program I had used all those years ago.
It also makes sense that the more bass a speaker is capable of, the more this process is needed. Subwoofers have the same need, along with the integration of the music coming from more locations at different distances from the listener.
I have recently become an advocate for speakers that are designed to to be placed close(r) to the wall behind them. This means that you can get more extended bass from a smaller speaker, and this makes the bass better quality (all else being equal) because the woofer is smaller AND because more of the music is coming from the same location; making the phase timing better.
Brilliant guide!
Thank you. Much appreciated 😊👍
Speaker placement is critical to real quality of sound. Finding true center and the tweeter/midrange elevation with respect to your ears. Some may see some of this as trifling. They miss the mark. Enjoying your music to the full improves your quality of life. Acoustics are important also. If you have two way monitors, a very stable, highly dampened speaker stand pair will drain off excess energy and allow your speakers to shine their true colors. Cheers Tarun on another fun video. Some don’t know what they are missing.
Thank you Mark. Always great to hear from you 👍
Couldnt have explained it better myself.
Cheers Tarun,, 🍻😎👍👍
Thank you Irene. I’ll get you to do it next time 😚👍
Thank you Tarun!
Thank you Carlo 😊
Thank you for a very well executed massively informative video. WELL DONE!!
Thank you. Much appreciated 🙂 👍
I love this channel for all the right reasons. Thank you, Tarun. I wish I were, as my mum (Cardiff, Wales) says "back home" just for having a bit less expensive access to British audio and speakers. I am keen on KEF, Acoustic Energy, Mission, Monitor Audio and Wharfedale speakers, in fact, I very much like my brother's old KEF Reference 104.2 speakers. I had seen REL subs bantered about on a few channels including yours, but I had no idea that they were a Welsh company. For the time being, I am getting by with my Vandersteen Model 1B with a very underwhelming Yamaha 100W (yeah right...) receiver. I believe either Cambridge or Rotel integrated amp is my future upgrade. I am generally a more entry-level Hi-Fi sort of consumer, but that doesn't stop a boy from dreaming... Sadly, my ProJect Debut III needs a little love, but I should be able to sort that out for well under $100 quid with a replacement motor. La vida...
Thank you Michael. Very kind. Great to learn about your experiences 😊👍
"Deja vu" partly ... but never the less ... very usefull.
BTW "repeticio est mater studiorum."
Best Regards
Thank you Hrvoje. It certainly is 😊👍
Another excellent video sir and a topic near and dear to me.
My smallish living/listening room definitely requires some treatment, along with careful equipment choices and set up. However, before putting down hard earned money on room treatment, significant research is a good starting point. So much misinformation out there. Foam as a bass trap comes immediately to mind.
Thank you my friend 👍
Very sensible. Thanks.
Thank you 🙂
My advice is to try different setups for at least days. Then ask yourself how enjoyable is your music. This is key.
I messed around with 1 to 4 absorbers behind the speakers and in the back corners of the room. With each absorber added, the clarity in base response and focus of instruments improved. But I lost the impact an drive of the music. I really did not enjoyed but examined my music. After weeks I of not listening I removed them all one day. What a pleasure the drive and musical flow was. My joy for musical pleasure was back.
It was to much dampening. Now I start over more carefully with little change in positioning. I put down transparent tape on the floor at two corners of the speakers and mark the alternative positions for easy recovery.
Have fun listening.
Thank you for sharing your experiences 👍
Excellent as always. You could always go more in depth on this. Room treatment is something that many reviewers are starting to address. It's something I look forward to stepping into this fall. (yard work first). Maybe next you could look into products like those from Synergistic Research. They use electronic noise cancelation of some sort to achieve the desired room tuning. Maybe first treat the room. Then incorporate the electronic methods. Then maybe room correction software. Dirac live or REW on a mini DSP. Or is one superior to the others canceling the need for more. Please help straighten this out.
Thank you Patrick. It would be an interesting topic to follow up on 😊👍
I am new to audio, and I have a technically poorly shaped room for audio 13x14. I did learn about the golden triangle and application in room of my shape has actually made my sound better than my previous 16x10 room. I had never heard of it and I am sure it may be possibly known in the community, but for those that dont check it out.
Thank you for sharing Mike 😊
I live in an apartment, where bass disturbing the neighbors could be an issue. So, I used "room EQ" to intentionally place my listening position in an area with naturally higher bass response. It's kind of the opposite of what most suggest, but I get deeper bass, and it's only audible in my sweet spot. This allows me to cut bass by about 6dB without things sounding too thin.
Sound like to have got it sorted Arthur 😊
Excellent as always Tarun.
I toe in speakers but there have been occasions in the past where off axis has worked in a different environment.
Heavy furnishing is good enough room treatment for me.
Thank you buddy 👍
As usual, am absolutely excellent video. In my opinion, 2nd only in terms of controversy to cables.
There are an abundance of things in the average family lounge/listening room which will alter the acoustic ambiance of the room as I found out when my wife took down our thermal lined, heavy winter drapes and put up light weight, single skinned summer curtains and again, when I updated our heavy, leather, recliner sofas for lighter, static, fabric sofas. So, I take on board that room treatment could, make a noticeable difference to the acoustic properties of the room. Whether that difference represents an improvement, is surely down to the personal taste of the listener.
In my experience and humble opinion, the amount of soft furnishings found in the average size British family lounge, is sufficient to negate the necessity for further treatment.
I’ve watched dozens of tutorial videos on acoustic room treatment and observed a multitude of different view points. I think that all too frequently, acoustic room treatment is presented as a costly solution to a non-existent, or at least, insignificant problem.
I’ve absolutely no room treatment, other than a large plush rug deployed between and in front of my floor standers. I do employ multiple small, relatively low powered subs around the room for a more even bass distribution. As I am the only audiophile in our household, I only need to concentrate on getting the balance right at a single listening position.
Could the audio reproduction in my listening space be improved with room treatment or DSP? May be, but I reckon, like yourself, good placement gets you 70% there and as much as I love my music, I also love my wife. If I were to start erecting bass traps, installing defusers and absorption panels, the cost of divorce would far outweigh any potential benefits.
Keep up those excellent videos and most of all, enjoy the music.
Thank you Howard. Great to learn about your experiences 😊👍
Love all your Videos buddy. Keep up the amazing work. Most people don’t know how much work goes into making a video.
Thank you Felix. Very much appreciated 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 your very welcome
Thank you for helpful tips.
Thank you Paul 😊
Thank you again.
Th am you Reinhart 😊
The only reflective surfaces in my room are the ceiling and the wall behind where i sit., This may appear to be an overly absorbent room but it is not. I can sit at double the distance between the speakers and still receive the direct sound first. This opens up the soundstage in both width and depth and i am able to hear the natural reverberation that the mics pick up at the recording session, without the room diluting it.
Thank you for sharing buddy 😊
Hi Tarun, I have left a message on the F700 review. My name is David Hart from Hart Audio 12 years in the making. I have a pair of small tower speakers using 8" Tannoy's that play Leftfield (Leftism) et al at high volumes. Leftfield use sub 20Hz signal in most of the tracks. Theses small speakers display 16Hz +/-2db. And they do it loud. There are 50 drivers in a pair. Making for very deep bass at high volumes with a low real estate footprint of 25cm x 20cm x 130cm. They give a big speaker output in a small enclosure. They would retail for £50k but no distribution as I've only just finished them. So maybe available direct. I am in the UK on the Isle of Wight. I would be grateful if you could come to hear them.
Best regards,
David
Thank you David. Sounds like an interesting design. If you leave your email here, I will get in touch 😊
Great advice Tarun👍👍👍
Thank you Shane 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 hi Tarun just streaming this at the moment on a Saturday evening here in Australia thought I might share it with you and your followers.
Keith Greeninger.
Blue Coast Collection.
Beautiful recording.🎧😁
Great video 👍🏻
Thank you 👍
SoX (command tool GNU/Linux) and my chair are the equalizers that improved the bad geometry of my room. If could, I would start with a good geometry. Thanks for talking about this very important topic.
Thank you Jorge 😊
Short and to the point! Bravo! Since I live in a rented house, I use carpets, furnitures and potted plants to mitigate those reflections. You have to be creative with what you got, right? Thanks for another great video!
Plants really help!
Thank you Yves 😊
Thanks Tarun. I was particularly interested to hear your comments on symmetry. I am lucky enough to have a dedicated listening room and have been experimenting with speaker and chair placement. I was surprised to find that by moving the speaker-chair triangle off axis of the rectangular room, so that the axis was closer to the diagonal of the room, there is an improvement in clarity and soundstage. I don't know why this could be, maybe it breaks up some standing waves or changes some sidewall reflections? Anyway, I've been having fun experimenting and I will probably keep doing so for a while yet before thinking about adding any special room treatment.
Thanks again for your videos and thoughts!
Thank you for sharing your experiences Martin 😊👍
Excellent
Thank you Jose 👍
Thanks again!
Most welcome 😊
Good stuff, and just the highlights -- the most audible issues first and most important. I've offered this before; it was taught to me by a prominent audio recording engineer/musician I worked for. To get a clear idea of what your room sounds like, and what it does to your speakers and music, try plugging one ear with a finger and listening. It won't sound very good, but it will give you a better idea of what your room is doing to the sound you're providing.
This disables your brain's ability to focus on directionality and distance, and allows you to hear more clearly what the room is doing to your music. You may hear your room 'doing a lot' to the music -- thus probably needing treatment. Alternately, and not so often, you may be pleased with what you hear. Perhaps you need little to no treatment.
In any case, you will hear much different sound with one ear: the music with all of the room 'contributions' exposed. It can, at least, give you 'marching orders' to make changes. -Just one man's view.
Thank you Jim. I do that a shows. Plug one ear an listen directly on axis to one speaker as close as is sensible. It is good to gain a snap shot of the sound of the speaker 😊
Ready! 💪🏻
Great! Not long to wait now 😊
Anyone who is going to take their music seriously should invest in Sonarworks Reference software as their starting point. Room acoustics is no laughing matter and should never be underestimated or ignored but there is a level of diminishing return. Its not all about room treatment although that is important, its about matching your setup/sound to the environment sadly most modern systems no longer come with built in EQ features and if your bass is bad no matter how much you spend you will never get the sound to be even close to right. Thats why streaming software like JRIver media centre are so important, it can natively run vst plugins so you can correct the EQ tweak the stereo image and add in what extra harmonics you want. including tape and valve emulation making any modest sounding system sound like one costing the earth, no its not perfect but its great fun to play around with.
Thank you for sharing your experiences 😊
Thank you for the video. You said the back of the speakers should be about 3 feet away from the wall. Is that the same for the relationship between the side I’d the speaker and the side wall? Thank you. Mark
You can get away with a little less on the side wall due to the angle of reflection 😊
Good review.
In your opinion, could you name a few speaker brands that have good tone and depth and soundstage , thanks for your response
Thank you. ATC SCM19s, ProAc D2(non-R), Dynaudio Special 40. Not an exhaustive list 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 apparently very short list, is this because of lacking of good speakers or you did not hear a lot of them, what abiut other european brands..
Would you please extend your list becaise whta you mentioned maybe are out of my budget, thanks for your response .
Thanks a lot, Tarun, excellent video as always. You do a great job in explaining in a very clear way even the most technical aspects of speaker placement. Listening to your explanations, it’s clear that I’ve got a long way to go in adequate placement. At present, my left speaker is just 33 cm away from the side wall and 64 cm from the back wall while the right one sits 2.50 mts. from the side wall and same distance as the left from the back wall. Right in front of both speakers, I have a large coffee table with a thick glass top. The thing is there is very little I can do as my system sits in our living room (about 45 sq mts) and it’s very difficult to find a suitable compromise regarding aesthetics and also the WAF. Any suggestions/advice to reduce the imbalance? I have a pair of Spica TC 60, very much a vintage model now but still great soundstage, imaging and midrange. Thanks a lot and best regards. Ignacio
Thank you Ignicio. It can be tricky when you don’t have a dedicated listening space. I would try to place something to deal with the first reflection on the left side. If you can’t remove the coffee table, place a thick fabric over it when critically listening 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thanks a lot for the advice, Tarun. Greatly appreciated. What would you suggest to absorb the reflection from the left speaker? I have a painting right above it but I don’t know if this does the trick. Kind regards, Ignacio
@@ignicioperez4647 you are most welcome. Absorb at the first reflection point but anything to break-up the reflection is better than nothing 😊
@A British Audiophile Many thanks again, Tarun, very grateful. When you say “Absorb at the first reflection point” what do you mean exactly? Kind regards, Ignacio
I always believed that the single most important factor in how ones system sounds is the ROOM. The speakers will sound completely different when placed in another room. No matter how expensive your gears are they won't perform at their best unless the rooms acoustics is addressed. Great speakers will sound bad in a highly reflective room while a good set of speakers will sound great in a well treated room. In my dedicated home theater room which is only about 25% treated my RT60 is about 250ms.
Thank you for sharing John 😊
Assuming using decent speakers. The speaker placement and the listening position are very important. But after that the room itself will account mostly for how good sound quality you get.
My room originally was ceramic floor tiles and thin curtains over the windows. Had horrible floor bounces and echoes throughout the room. Thick underlay and carpet, plus roller blinds and velvet curtains sorted that out completely.
Then later I stepped it up a level with acoustic room treatments. 4 inch broadband absorbers with front scattering plates. Hybrid cylindrical absorption/diffusers. Plus a few wooden diffusers. Is a small room but now music sounds much more immersive. Room sounds a bit larger, and is non fatiguing even at fairly high volume levels.
Acoustic room treatment is a must have if you get the WAF. So many wife friendly options now that look like decorative art you wouldn't even know it's room treatment.
@@C--A thank you for sharing your experiences 😊
My situation is complicated. I have a large loft conversion which is a large wide "L" shape. The ceiling walls and floor are all wood, (looks Scandinavian). The ceiling is close to an apex shape so the room shape is a little like breaking a Toblerone bar in half and forming an L shape out of the two halves. I use one half, which is about 18ft across at floor level and about 25ft long. I sit at about 15ft from the gable end wall, and have my speakers forming roughly an equilateral triangle from me. The space behind, in front, and on both sides are completely asymmetric. All good fun. I have learned over many years to poke my head into different positions in the room to get varying effects. Stand behind the chaise long (spelling) and lower bass is more present. If my head is the height of the drivers, violins are the sweetest. if I stand up, I get a little reflection from the angled roof. That amplifies male voices more than higher female voices for some reason. Its like a hall of mirrors for hi-fi 😁 I put up with imperfection because its my escape den. Still sounds very good. Knoppfler guitar is magic if I move my head around.
Thank you Chris. Great to learn about your experiences 👍
Gettin’ a little grey Taron, me too old friend.
Father Time catches us all 😂
Oh no Tarun! Your nice decorated room does not looking like a mixing studio and I believe it's now de rigueur to have bass trap absorption and diffusion panels in plain sight. I thought you'd know this! 😀
I couldn’t get away with them in our living space 😊
An elaborate answer, thank you. How does your method compare to the Wilson Audio Setup Procedure?
I am aware they have one but I haven’t looked into it 😊
Soundwise you want a stereo (symmetrical) 3D image. But forget the idea (goal) of setting up your speakers symmetrical. If the left is 1" further to the side and the right toes in slightly more, so be it. As for rake, some speakers already point (mids) highs up to be reflected from the ceiling. Bass can be tricky, in particular with a tile floor (uncontrolable bass). As for numbers (distances), they are startingpoints at best.
They are starting points. I go into more detail in my video on speaker setup 😊
Great video! How do you measure RT?
There is probably an app for your phone if you want a rough idea. Otherwise download REW software and use a calibrated mic like the Umik-1 😊
Sitting 30 degrees does sound amazing but I noticed some instruments do not sound correct they sound a bit too harsh. It’s interesting how some brands recommend x1 from the centre line and Harbeth recommend even further back. For me around 26 degrees works best with speakers 1m from sides.
Thank you for sharing 😊
Excellent as ever. I think the variability of furnishings absorption can also effect room modes considerably. In discussing the design of concert halls with colleagues at Arup acoustics, the impact of seatings absorption is, I think, usually under-appreciated. 2000 seats of uncertain absorption, even when lab-tested, will have significant impact upon otherwise carefully designed architectural form and surface finish. Thanks for everything. (Will you ever consider headphones??!! - just asking!)
Thank you David. I agree, a well furnished room will help bring the RT60 time down considerably. No plans to get into headphones as yet but never say never 👍
Almost forgot. One of the reasons I find your reviews so credible is the video tour you did of your room. Plenty of room around and behind the speakers, plenty of room around and behind your listening position and no big stacks of equipment or TVs between your speakers. And let's face it, no way can one achieve proper bass with big 3-way speakers in a 12ft x 15ft room.
Thank you buddy 👍
Being lazy and having no space , i've opted for the
'Overwhelm the Room " method .
i plopped down my polk
L600s on either side of the tv at the foot of my bed , toed them in , bought a big enough amp to wake them up and 💥
😂😎
Thx for sharing 😊
apologies for being silly , but it's true my room is anti acoustic . the dark forces of sound swallowing are at play. 😂
Hi, wanted to ask if you've reviewed any Linn or Cyrus equipment? Thank, great content.
I have review the Cyrus One Cast ruclips.net/video/LeHTVCI_rDo/видео.html
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thank you.
Could you do an episode on HiFi furniture? (Racks/Tables etc) for various budgets, what to look for etc? Thank you!
I am sure I will get to it in time 😊
great information as always. its amazing how subtle changes in how you set up a room can make huge changes in sound. I find even shifting my head position in the sweet spot can bring down some of the high frequency sheen that i dont really like. I have a closed side and a wide open side. Adding a floor to ceiling bass trap really helped tamper down the huge bass energy in the corner of the closed side (i have Goldenear triton 3+s with the built in powered subs, BIG bass). I recently added in a minidsp SHD studio to see how Dirac plays in my space. Its almost embarrassing that I thought my system sounded great before. Dirac, for me, is a game changer. Its a real shame that there is not a video on youtube going in depth on using dirac for two channel. Tons of HT vids about it but only one or two for two channel (i think the minidsp solutions might be the only dedicated 2 channel dirac options right now).
Thank you for sharing your experiences 😊
New Record Day - does a YT video on speaker placement within a room. It certainly worked for me and was free.
Cool 😎 thank you for sharing 👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 - Ron is a good guy and his heart is in the right place. He calls things as they are. Much like yourself but you both have a very different presentation style - different in a good way.
Hello All, a digital beginers question. I am in the process of ripping my CDs(300) onto my windows PC in FLAC format and would like to transfer them to a stand alone device for replay via a bluesound node 2i.
If I copy the ripped CDs onto a standalone hard drive, SSD type, and plug that into the bluesound would that sound good and work well ?
.............or is it more complicared than that........ ?
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That it what I do with my Auralic Aries Mini. Just check the format of USB drives that the Node 2i will accept 😊
It would have been helpful if you had addressed an apparent discrepancy, namely that the room in which your speakers are placed, the room with the fireplace, appears to have little to no passive room treatment. I'm sure that there's an explanation and I doubt I'm alone in wondering about it. Out of politeness I hesitated to bring this up but think it important to gain some clarity from you on this issue.
Hi Geoffrey, that is a very fair question. My room is not a dedicated listening space. A situation that I am sure many people find themselves in. It is primarily a family living space. Undoubtedly, I could achieve better performance if I had a dedicated room, properly set up but that isn’t an option for the foreseeable future.
That said, most well furnished living spaces can be set up to make very decent listening environments as long as someone understands the limitations of what they are working with and optimises accordingly. For example, the fireplace can be an issue. To negate the impact it could have on clarity and central imaging, I have to pull speakers out further in the room. This is generally 110cm to 120cm rather than the 90cm I mentioned in the video.
There are a few other tricks I have up my sleeve but unfortunately too much to get into here 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Thank you Tarun for the courtesy of a prompt reply. I can sympathize, as I have similar restrictions upon what I can do with my room as well.
Food for thought: perhaps should you ever do a video on those tricks you've got up your sleeve you might precede that with a request for ideas from your listeners. For instance, I hang a large tapestry upon the first reflection point on one wall. Behind the tapestry I've hung some 1.5" thick DiY absorbers. Though compared to commercial solutions of limited effect, it is IMO worthwhile. The other side opens into a large open space so no real reflection point upon that side.
You might then evaluate the submitted ideas that are easily implemented that offer promise and then only include the ones you can recommend.
My speaker woofer driver just blow off after loud volume. Can this be repaired?
It depends on what else was damaged 😊
I tried to place diffusers next toy wife's mouth after I applied all the suggested room correction, but I could still hear her shouting. Any tips ?
That is a can of worms I am not going to open 😂
Well done. I appreciate the reasoning besides just the points. Did that room photo include the world's largest blowup bed?
Thank you. It is a shag pile rug but you can sleep on it 👍
For me its nonsense to spend 10k or more on High Resolution Speakers with the newest High Tech Driver and destroy their ,,power,, with zero room treatment. Room Acoustics are way more important instead of the Gear Chase. But most people spend their money into the latest audio gear, instead of building an room concept with Acoustics
Personally I think room treatments can also turn into a chase and is very hit and miss and you can spend silly money on acoustic panels etc. I gave up on this after minor results for the effort, expense and frankly naff cosmetics and just bought a Lyngdorf RP amplifier instead. Much much better result ( for me) and no more acoustic treatment chasing.Each to their own of course but the difference to me is astonishing.
I think the confusion comes from the professional industry where they are building studios. The goals there are different and they have to be treated due to generally having minimal furnishings. In most livings spaces people will desire a higher RT60 time which is achievable on the most part by having a well furnished space 😊
@@gdubyadubya8961 I do agree that room treatments cost a lot of money. And that's why a lot of enthusiasts go the DIY route. It's fairly easy to make absorber panels. Lots of video tutorials in RUclips.
This comment reflects well my experience
How do I measure the Rt 60 time? What equipment or software do I need?
You can down software from REW and get a calibrated mic like the Unik-1 if you want to do it throughly. Alternatively, this is probably an app for your smartphone that will give you a rough idea 😊
Taron, a question regarding your speaker position video. You measured 85cm from speaker to wall but on your left wall there's a big cabinet and I think you still considered the wall. I have a big bookshelf covering 3/4 of lenght and hight of a wall and I always assumed that as the wall. To make it worst, I have an open passage on the other wall. So how does one go about that?
The reality is that many of us have to live with compromises. The bookshelf will provide some diffusion of the sound field so won’t be quite like a flat wall 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 thank you!
But how about if the room echo is too much?
Does you room have minimal furnishings ?
I dont know of any normal sized rooms with furniture that have an echo. In other words i dont understand room treatment unless you live in a gymnasium.
It is a complex field 😊
it is worth leaving a 6" gap on your first reflections panels in line with the tweeters, too much suction out in the top range can make it sound as you said not very lively. yes it's important to have your speakers lined up exactly to in 0.8 of a millimetre to eliminate comb effect below 660Hz. only exception to this is the resistance of the speakers are not exact to each other, so actually having one slightly forward to the other can be a correction.
good you said about the gap! telling people for last 5-years to make sure there's a gap between your panels and the wall even better lie some natural wool fleece on the wall first before the panels, especially if solid walls. same if you have a quadratic diffuser just remove the back so it's open for bass notes
Thank you for watching and sharing 😊
I’m supposed to be working 😂
You deserve a break 😂👍
By far the most important thing you can do to get good bass is not to overload the room with energy. Anything else is fixable with setup, eq and treatment.
Thank you for sharing 🙂
If the room is (ok)… I’m good. But if it’s somewhat Bouncy, or accentuating certain frequency ranges, forget it. One can tell in a few seconds. I’ve been very lucky with my spaces in the past. Most were conducive as is. But man… when you’re in a room that splats… I don’t care how you point this and that.
Opinion expressed very non technically.
Hope you’re doing well, my friend!
Always great to hear from you Chuk. I hope you and the family are well 😊👍
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Right back atcha, my good friend!
#1. Get big speakers (15" woofer or dual 8").
#2. Good amp (100wpc +).
#3. Get a decent dac.
Turn it up loud!
Lots of little things after that like preamp, source, etc.
Thank you for sharing Carl 😊
I would say no if there's enough furnishings.
Thx for sharing 😊
Not all of us have the space to set up equipment in the ideal listening zone.
Very true. These are just general principles to use as a guide 😊
I've noticed many reviewers on RUclips reviewing speakers with sound demonstrations in untreated rooms. Very strange. In my small listening room I ended up with 19 bass traps to get things to sound right. Six are sealed limp membrane traps and the rest are velocity traps. Many people believe that you can't have large speakers in a small room. Well you can, but it will cost a lot of money in bass traps and probably more than the cost of the speakers.
Unfortunately, my room is not a dedicated listening space. It is primarily a family living space which is a situation that most people find themselves in. I could certainly get better performance if I had a dedicated space. However, well furnished living spaces can make decent listening spaces if set up properly. That was something I hope was communicated in this video 😊
@@abritishaudiophile7314 Hi Tarun, I wasn't referring to your reviews. I was referring to people who put videos on you tube playing music to demonstrate various speakers in untreated rooms. Many of these demonstration videos make good speakers sound dreadful.
The space and treatment is about half of the sound usually. Putting more money into a system in a bad space is a waste and cheap speakers can sound fantastic in an optimal environment.
Thank you for sharing 😊
diffusion 30cm deep wow - sorry but ive never seen any diffusion this deep. please provide a link
They're are actually some diffusers with 30cm depth (11.8 inches) and even bigger. Those one's you need a very big room or they won't be effective. RPG do custom diffusers in that size depth.
Most of the biggest diffusers from GIK and similar companies are about 6 to 10 inch depth max. As there catered to more normal domestic sized rooms.
My cylindrical hybrid absorption/diffusers are 6 inches depth at it's deepest. These ones you can sit closer to them, around 5 or 6 feet away.
very interesting post, but google makes a lot of mistakes in translation, I guess I'll have to learn English
Sorry about that 😊