At first i felt sympathy for the first interviewee (the 63 y/o lady who lost hope), but in the end she justifies violence and abuse, as long as attackers don't kill themselves. Wow
No... she just said that the settlers are different from the Palestinians in that they don't blow themselves up, so in this sense they value life more than the Palestinians. This is not to say that they are better or worse than the Palestinians in their actions.
@@User-jr7vfsettlers don't need to blow themselves up. They have backing of military and police to create tensions. They are supported in violence. Why would they blow themselves up. Palestinians on the other hand do whatever out of helplessness. There is a big psychological war going on here 70+ years on.
It’s fascinating how the most common denominator seems to be “Palestinians just have to accept Israel and then we will have peace.” Nobody said anything that THEY would do to contribute to peace; only what the others should do.
This is the first mover, P should accept the Jewish state and than a 2 states solution can be formed. This is why previous attempts failed, why P did not accept the Clinton parameters, Taba, Olmert offer etc.
So this is why they will keep their life in an always worsening condition.... Stop being unreasonable jihadistic culture (look how many Israelis fight for the life of probably 66 live hostages) and start and resist the cult of deaths that call Hamas. Israelis fight their fascist government, show us dear Palestinian that you are against your jihadistic government and you love life more than you are loving the idea of having the whole land to yourself, you are not in a position to ask for it any more...
maybe they should just leave israel if they don't like it. we all know "ancient palestine homeland" is a myth. no one but the jews have been there that long.
The Christian boy was so sweet and a beacon of hope. Bringing young people from both sides-Israelis and Palestinians-together to foster peace and friendship is truly the only way forward. While the rest of the world keeps projecting their opinions and hateful views onto this small piece of land, only those who live there can create the projects that reflect what everyone genuinely desires in a pure heart, free from greed and hate. The fact that so many countries are pouring more and more into military build-up makes it hard to envision a future where killing isn’t seen as a solution. It’s nothing more than a downward spiral.
I also thought it was wiser and less naive than at first sight. It is how France and Germany became brothers and though our relationship with Poland remains difficult as they are also geopolitically in a tough spot there is friendship and peace for so long now and a big part of it is because you talk with people not about them. You work with them, etc. The EU has it's flaws but it is so much more than about the economy.
You can't expect a reasonable solution from someone who believes that God gave him this land and him alone. The same answers we heard before... Arabs have many countries, move them there. As if in the last 1400 years no Arab lived there. The Palestinian can simply say: There are many European countries, go back there (at least for the ashkenazi). And the guy who said that in 1947 Arabs were give more than half the land... that tells you how much they know about their own history. Looking at the Oslo accord and the maps of the land i.e. Zones A, B, and C, it looks like Israelis wanted the use the same concept the Americans used with the native Americans. It's never gonna work.
If you had the slightest will to learn anything about Israelis you'd know you are making an extremely dumb argument Most jews will not make this argument when asked about the claim to this land If you had a tiny bit of understanding of israeli society, you'd know that
@@kwilla2001 im an atheist and i also hate the biblical argument. Lets talk about recent history. The arabs started and lost numerous wars against Israel, and Israel won the land. End of story. Dont play games if you cant accept your lost. And about your "ashkenazi european" argument, its a joke... the jews got systemetically genocided in Europe, and as for the middle eastern jews, they got expelled brutally from Iraq, Syria, Egypt etc... and jews are first of all jews, before they are european, yemani or american. Judaism isnt a religion you can just practice out of the blue, therefor most jews are related to the same ancestors. In the Israeli ID, Judaism is considered as ethnicity.
@@kwilla2001 The Jews never said only they had a right to inhabit the land. Nobody was expelled or told to leave when Israel was formed. Those villages that entered into non-aggression pacts went on to become the 2M Arabs living in Israel today. Those who chose war and fled were not allowed back. Starting a war and losing has consequences. The term nakba was first used by Constantine Zureiq to refer to the war of independence, whereby “seven Arab states declare war on Zionism, stop impotent before it, and then turn on their heels.” His brief mention of the refugees was his concern that they might be “forced to return to their homes, there to live under the Zionist shadow”. War refugees were unremarkable at the time; “population transfers” were the norm when borders changed. Have a look at the forced transfers of Poles, Ukrainians, and Germans after WWII. Not permitting people who had just attacked you to live in your country was uncontroversial. In fact, leaving minorities “stranded” was considered unethical.
@@joge2468lol. Are you done with your hasbara? Google when was Der Yassin, the. Nakba started before the Arabs attck, the Arabs attacked because of the Nakba.
Everybody forgot one crucial thing... Both sides must stop being funded by external powers. Both the US and Iran only have geopolitical interests in that region, thus why they fund each party.
Good intentions but won’t work. Israel left Gaza and Hamas took over. They are openly genocidal jihadists. Israel left Lebanon and now Hezbollah is firing rockets and northern Israel is uninhabitable. Israel is too small and the border with the West Bank is too long to risk another Iranian proxy taking over and firing rockets directly on the airport or Tel Aviv. The source of the problem here is Islamic fanaticism - the belief that Allah commands Muslims to control any land that was previously controlled by Muslims. Jihadists actually say they love death like their enemies love life. They glorify martyrdom. Crazy! Once the religious extremists are defeated peace is possible. Jihadists are like modern day Nazis but more dangerous because they aren’t afraid to die.
@@thefatherofwilliam they should have that right and now they have been granted statehood by a majority of the members of the UN security council right? But getting that to happen getting Israel to stop the genocide Netanyahu to stop that’s another story The settlers want to take their land
@@nataliaustinovich8802 yeah and Netanyahu propped up Hamas in the interest of destabilizing any possibilities of an independent Palestinian state and to foment divisiveness and hatred. Apparently he had warning of the attack on October 7 and they did nothing Then there’s a Hannibal directive- some of the killings on October 7 that were blamed on Hamas were actually IDF. You can’t believe what Netanyahu says and there’s no justification for the numbers. There’s absolutely no comparison with the numbers and the brutality. Israel controlled the amount of calories each Gazan could have long before they started starving them and murdering them out right in front of the whole world and celebrating it on TikTok
@@nataliaustinovich8802 all of your reasons just amount to attempting to justify a genocide when the population who is supposedly defending this colonial experiment said themselves never again… Shame on you all and all the Christians who are supporting it as well
Israelis aren't going to Dissappear, Palestinian aren't going to Dissappear Harming one side whatever the context will undoubtedly always come back to harm the people you care about most , It is a cycle and it won't end ever unless Both change or better Dissappear especially In case of hamas & netenyahu
But Mossad created Hamas free barghouti , shin bet has to stop creating false flag attacks against their own people as an excuse to steal land and massacre innocent women and children
That is what may be called " Not learning from Mistakes" Islam loves war. Unlike a normal mindset, an Islamic mind seeks war because it has a desire to overwhelm. Conceding anything will be suicidal. Israel will have to fight and cower these Jihadists into silence. Any sign of weakness will only encourage more war. Israeli always thought that HAMAS @ Islamists will never attack and accept status quo, Oct 7 proved them wrong. Or Jews can simply pack up and leave Middle East
Hey great job for comparing some extreme groups of settlers to almost 70% of the population of Gaza and the West Bank who support Hamas and it's extreme view of violence 👍
Let’s face it though m, if you had your land stolen and then have to abide by the almighty rule of the Jews, wouldn’t you join Hamas??? As for Israelis- they are brainwashed from childhood, I do to aged to join an army, and then have the audacity to think of themselves as victims. They haven’t learnt anything from their own history.
@@esw0y What would you do if you where living in Gaza? Support the oppressor? What would you do if you live there and you were never granted by Israel a permission to leave Gaza to study or get medical treatment abroad? would condemn Hamas or Israel for that? Hamas is a consequence of the occupation of Palestinian people, is not the cause. Please stop repeating propaganda and use the common sense. Settlers are not a fringe is Israeli society, they are supported and protected by the state, finance by zionist around the world and they are in key state positions. You can't dismissed their behaviour so quickly. They have a supremacist ideology that is endemic in the state.
@@esw0y That extreme group is actively aided and supported by the government and many officials who also voice that same extreme view of violence. Who elected those people and keep them in power? Also most of the people alive in Gaza weren't even alive nor eligible to vote when the last elections were held in Gaza in 2006. So it would actually appear that more people in Israel TODAY support the violence rather than Palestinians in Gaza electing Hamas. 👍 If we're going to use your logic, my friend.
@@oronjoffe what kind of bullshit distinction is this? Israelis will burn Palestinian children alive in their beds or gun them down in a mosque as they pray, but the fact they didn't kill themselves in the process is evidence of moral superiority?
The world would be a great deal better off without all this ancestoral bs. So what if someone took something off my ancestors, that doesn't mean it's still mine. If you steal from me, you need to give it back. But once I'm gone, what's done is done, it's not suddenly rightfully my child's. By taking this logic to it's conclusion as an Englishman, I could assume my ancestors owned parts of Northern France and should therefore return it to me. If you make ancestral rights claims, the violence will NEVER end. Stop claiming land is yours that YOU never had.
No, the world would be a better place if a certain group of people could have their own country LIKE THE OTHER CERTAIN GROUP HAS 49+! They’re asking for ONE PLACE THATS SOLELY THEIRS, AS PROMISED (by more than God) LIKE HISTORY, ARCHAEOLOGY, DNA PROVES. It’s about land for the Js but not so for the others. They just want to fight bc their god can’t.
Wake up to reality my friend... all politics it's about control, obviously involving land. Maybe in La La Land we will all live together in the globe as we don't own anything truthfully, but in our world, in reality, humans always claim and compete. I choose to be realistic and see how the world works the way it is, not the way I want it to work, what about you?
Shaya from Netanya says accurately that Jews bought land from Arab owners, and from Turks. Turks PERMITTED Jews to settle areas which a map shows was the same area as malaria infested swamps. Jaffa existed, but Jews moved outside of Jaffa to start neighborhoods in the desert and establish Tel Aviv in 1909. You can look at a photo and see, no Arabs lived on the land that became Tel Aviv. Arabs should return all the land and property they stole from Jews before 1948. Many neighborhoods in several cities that were historically always Jewish cities. There's two questions, one of INDIVIDUAL property ownership, and the other about the right to establish a legal sovereign democratic nation state government to govern everyone on this land area where YOU AND OTHERS OWN LEGAL TITLE. Islam says, Land Titles transferred to Jews for payment to Arabs are NULL AND VOID, because legally established property rights are superseded by the rule that any land conquered by Muslims and by Allah, must be Islamic land forever, and never ruled by infidels. Israel is a democratic state, is NOT Sharia. That's HARAM because Allah blessed Islamic invaders to conquer the land in 637, so it is forbidden for ANY of the land, the smallest portion, to be not under Sharia, to be not controlled by Muslims. Jews INVITED Arabs to stay in Israel and they still live there today, but Muslims won't accept Jews as equals under Sharia because Jews were hated and killed by Muhammad, peace be unto him. 😅
@@khadijahbegum3546 Not really true i think. Most stuff i see or hear is Isrealis being quite accepting of a 2 state solution if the Palestinians were to accept it but the Palestinians seem delusional af and somehow they seem to think that it is actually their land by some invented god given right when they in fact were created by the Romans partly as an effort to erase the connection between the Jewish people and their land.
Camp David Summit was insulting towards Palestinians. For instance, Arafat had to negotiate for months just to get 2:1 land swaps- meaning for every 2 units of land taken by Israel, Palestine would get 1 unit in exchange (obviously unfair). More worrying though is that Palestinians weren't even offered a state under most conventional definitions- they would be demilitarized, have no unfettered access to airspace, no rights to the Gaza marine or their offshore fisheries, and limited access to potable water sources. Worryingly, the refugees would be denied the right of return. This is a bullshit offer for a state without sovereignty still very much under the yoke of Israel, and youact as if the Palestinians are just ungrateful savages. Ignorance at its finest, my dear.
@@khadijahbegum3546 Everyone can read the horrible insults and allegations against Jews in Islamic scriptures and the Allah prophecy in the Hadith that Muslims will exterminate all Jews in Judgment day, the countless public calls for death of Jews, prayers to "Allah" to exterminate the Jews, the glorification of murders and rapes of Jews to know who you Muslims truly are, what you believe and what you will do in the first opportunity. You think everyone is stupid that is the reason you write such an insult to the intelliegence.
@@darwin6883 All peace proposals failed up to day because Israel want end of conflict or "end of claims" as condition to the creation of Palestinian state on 1949-67 armistice lines (with land swamps) and Palestinians see the creation of the Palestinian state just another phase in the conflict and openly reject all compromises that wouldn't satisfy all their national aspirations including "the right of return" of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to Israel proper - the central component of Palestinian national identity - that if Israel accept it will create a demographic shift that Jews at best will be a minority in a state called "Israel" side by side an Arab Muslim majority state called "Palestine". Besides Camp David wasn't the last permanent peace proposal despite the second intifada. The last peace proposal was during the Obama administration that offered Palestinians a state on 1967 borders and gave them far more concessions in Jerusalem than previous peace proposals including Camp David. Israel PM Netanyahu accepted the proposal with reservations while Palestinian President Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen") never replied. Years later in an interview to an Arab journal he declared that he rejected it because it is "too far" insisting for the "right of return" with no limit in time and number of refugees. You and everyone else have definitely the right to oppose Israel existence but blaming Israeli Jews not to commit national, social and economic suicide in order to achieve "justice" for Palestinians is a step too far.
(I am Israeli and a Palestinian) : There is only one practical solution : One country, 2 states. A confederate that (1) separates state and religion, (2) one economy, one currency, (3) A constitution where everyone is equal, and yes even (4) One army. We need one destiny where everyone wins. This solution can't happen overnight, the next generation with the right education can, but you need visionaries on both sides to get there. The last guy started making sense but then he came delusional , the rest of the people were all extreme and worse the extreme Palestinians
That is a very interesting take. I've never thought about having two autonomous states within a single country. Are you thinking 67 borders with the capital in Jerusalem? What would the name of the country be that would satisfy both parties?
Question: how can you be an Israeli and Palestinian at the same time? Do you get to vote both in Israeli elections, as well as the Palestinian elections (in case PA or Hamas ever allows another elections for Palestinians)? A bit like a dual-citizenship? Should other Israelis (also jews) have the right to vote in Palestinian elections as well?
@@aliadeeb6859I believe he is saying NO BORDERS inside this country. And equal rights for israelis and Palestinians. And guess who doesn't want this solution? Israel.
A man turned to God in his evening prayer; "dear God when will there be peace in the Middle East"? There was a long sigh, - and then a long pause, before God answered; "it's not going to happen in my time"
@Arete-l9l Your attempt at replacing the Culture and identify of the real jews that belong to the middle east not the fake Eastern European colonizers is as fictious as Is Not Raels existence. #FREEPALƐSTINE
@@d333my I find it amazing that despite having access to the internet and history books, they unquestioningly believe their official state narrative. I can understand in Russia or China where people are shaped by propaganda how this would happen but here it’s like there’s a wilful suspension of critical thinking.
Yes, Israel has rejected “peace deals”, however, Israel has the upper hand in the current situation so it can seek the best deal for her. In contrast, the Palestinians have nothing at this time, with no real leverage. I was taught that it’s better one bird in your hand than two in the tree. Therefore, the fact they rejected so many offers says everything about their real intentions, which is the destruction of Israel.
@@mbvbac The first half of your sentence is correct, the second is pro Palestinian propaganda. I also meant the Israel is a successful modern state, whereas the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians decided to play victim and therefore keep on losing their cards.
@@DarthPlaguis22 Clearly you cannot distinguish between propaganda and evidence-based legal cases by the highest courts in the world. Also there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of victimhood. Counting the actual victims will help with this. Finally, if you intentionally throttle the economy of a state - as Israel has done to Palestine - the economy does not thrive. Plus, free land and billions in free US funding helps with Israel’s “success”.
“They lost the war” no you invaded a country that has no military, you were with the British who taught you how to fight, you had money and weapons (because the British wanted you out, remember?). So should any country with this biggest military be able to invade and take over any piece of land they want? Isn’t there international laws about this?
What the HELL are you talking about?hahaha 6 Arab countries started a war against 1 newly founded Israel. Arabs were given Transjordan and offered 42% of the rest of Mandatory Palestine. They rejected the offer, and continue with a war to destroy Israel.
@@joge2468 We’ve moved on beyond this conversation. It’s time to reimagine relations with Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. This conflict won’t be solved militarily. All sides deserve to live in peace and security with dignity. We need new ways of thinking and drudging up history won’t help. Bold leaders are needed on both sides to forge a new way forward. Eleanor Roosevelt once said “The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.” It may very well be that the older generation will need to drift away so that the youth can take the lead in charting a new way forward.
@@squid_3 Arabs in the West Bank are not citizens of Israel. They are tried in military courts because they are currently occupied by Israel. That’s how that works.
The fact of the matter is the israelis were/is never interested in a two state solution. The creation of state of israel was a staging ground for a greater israel. Even when they claim they "offered" a state to the palestinians it is actually less than a state if you actually look at the details or the lack of details. All this while the US is fully complicit in the failure of the peace process.
Mohamad, What the Israelis offered to the Palestinians was more than any of the Arab states offered. Egypt had Gaza from 1947 to 1967. They didn't offer to create a Palestinian state. Jordan had the west bank during the same time. Why didn't they create a Palestinian state? Israelis at least tried to compromise, but the Arab states always tell the Palestinians not to compromise with the Jews and they end up with nothing but war for them and for the Jews.
@@bluaska It does not matter the name of the state. Did the Egyptians and Jordanians carry out ethnic cleansing , evict the locals from their homes so that people from other countries can take over their homes? Did the Egyptians and Jordanians carry out a brutal apartheid rule and oppressed the local population severely restricting their movements, humiliating them and terrorizing them? The Israelis did all these. What moral right do the Israelis have to do all these? None. When the lies don't work they say they are entitled because their ancestors were there many thousands of years ago. If you are a Palestinian you will also retaliate and demand equal rights and reject their supposed entitlement. Look as I said earlier the Israelis were/are never interested in a genuine Palestinian state, whatever "initiative" they have are all a smokescreen to grab more land.
@@bluaska Did the Egyptians and Jordanians carry out ethnic cleansing , a brutal apartheid , severe restriction on movement, humiliating and terrorizing the Palestinians? No but the Israelis did all these. What moral right the israelis have to do all these actions? None.
The dude at 10:20 in other words: "We came to their country and said let's live together (not really how it went but ok). They did not want to live under our rule and give their powers to us, so we colonised half the country and offered them the other half. However, they did not accept us taking their country, so we just colonised the rest of the land" Imagine living in a country with so many people that try to justify this and make it seem as if they're the good guys.
It’s so sad Palestinians have embraced this colonialism nonsense. It’s a complete misreading of the situation and massively contributes to their refusal to accept Israel simply isn’t going anywhere, and it’s time for Plan B. In perpetuating their annihilationist delusion, you are harming the people you claim to care about. 65% of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi. They are descendants of the 850k Jews that were ethnically cleansed from the other MENA countries. Their communities dated back to Babylonian times, hundreds of years before Islam was invented.
@@donospablo2579 It’s so sad Palestinians have embraced this colonialism nonsense. It’s a complete misreading of the situation and massively contributes to their refusal to accept Israel simply isn’t going anywhere, and it’s time for Plan B. In perpetuating their annihilationist delusion, you are harming the people you claim to care about. 65% of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi. They are descendants of the 850k Jews that were ethnically cleansed from the other MENA countries. Their communities dated back to Babylonian times, hundreds of years before Islam was invented.
Yes. This is why Israëlies always hide behind false arguments related to history bullshit. They know at the bottom of theire heart that what they do (and done) is sooo bad that they hide it (no voluntary)
"In 1947, they were offered more than half the land, and we said we're fine with that, but they said no and that's how the war started." Imagine thinking that it's remotely reasonable to walk into someone's home and offer them 'more than half' of their own property.
@@esw0y Are you so insecure in your opinions that you need to take my comment out of context in order to make an argument. Clearly when I used “their”, it means the collective state Israel. None of them took accountability for ISRAEL’s aggressions and contribution to the violence.
They are totally brainwashed…. You can summarise as follows… “We Jews are noble and kind, everything we do just and right because we shit rainbows and unicorns”. The truth is that they stole the land, they are colonisers, they don’t want to live with Palestinians, they kill children, and they continue to break international law. Let’s not even get started on the barbaric war since 7 October. There is no justification for dropping 6800 bombs in a densely populated area in 3 days. We need to exclude Israel as we have Russia. Putin seems like a saint incomparison to these genocidal, Jewish Zionists fucks
This isn't the same at all whatsoever. The equivalent would be the colonization of India by the British and then creating a new nation in the heart of India that compromises of migrating Europeans into India. Divide and conquer vs colonization.
@@sammalama Most of the current-day "Palestinians" are descendants of arab immigrants from 1917 onwards. No, they are not some ancient arab families who have lived in the area of Israel for centuries, before they had to flee due to the Israeli independence war in 1948. You also forget that similarly like hundreds of thousands of these arabs fled from Israel to the surrounding arab countries in 1948, hundreds of thousands of jews fled from various arab countries (and later also Iran) mostly to Israel. Just read up on what happened to jews in Iraq. Jews living in "West Bank" also fled from the area when Jordan illegally occupied and annexed it after 1948. How about their "right of return"? These are things that pro-palestinians always fail to acknowledge. Jews also had their own "nakba", caused by arabs. Oh and no, most Israeli jews today are not "from Europe", but from other arab countries. When the jews from arab countries fled to Israel right after 1948, Israel's jewish population more than doubled. So we can forget about the claims that Israeli jews are "European".
The last guys solution was interesting, but he forgets that there is a huge gas field that belongs to the Palestinians and the Palestinians also have a right to the sea
When you've been brainwashed your entire life, what do you expect other than: _"God gave us this land. This and is ours. We will "defend" this land that is ours."_
But the same people you are defending think they have the legitimacy, to be claiming Israel for religious purposes. Why you think they have built their holy masks on top of the Jewish temples? It’s all to claim territories that once was belong to the Jews
You have it exactly the opposite of fact. Forget about the religious part.. we are from there. We returned to our ancestral land. We are here to stay. Get used to it. You little antismtes
I mean, it doesn't really matter who they think "gave them" the land. It is their land now. They are there. They have a thriving country for over 3 quarters of a century. This isn't theoretical futurism. Israel is real, and as a real country, of course they will defend the real country that is theirs.
Excellent clip Corey!!! Excellent topic in getting right to it and presenting it that way as a question, excellent cross-section of choices, keep them coming Corey.
Yeah technically, the Arabs were offered FAR more than half the land in 1936 and a bit LESS than half in 1947, but both offers were good. They rejected both. I'd say, he was speaking off the cuff not giving a college history dissertation. Prince Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud spoke for 3 hours about decades of diplomatic efforts (recorded in Saudi archives) to assist the Palestinians in establishing their permanent peaceful state. Each and every time, the purposely wrecked the opportunity in one way or another.
@@gg_rider So if some squatter enters your house, and offers you the basement so that he can keep the house, u would accept that? Is that what you are saying?
@@neli-b9n Most countries today have immigrants and their demographics have changed over the years and decades. As mentioned in one of the interviews, Jews in Israel haven't entered anybody's house literally or figuratively. They defended themselves against attacks. The land as a whole was never Palestinian, it was British, Ottoman, etc. etc. And before that, it was Jewish (which every Jew, Christian, or Muslim knows very well).
I'm a whyt str8 male from the UK, I've been to Palestine in 2002 for 3 weeks, in Palestine everyone was very kind and respectful and i made Palestinian friends, some elderly ladies invited me to have a dinner in their house, i ate, they talked to me about Quran and prophet Muhammad, before i leave i tried to give them Money, they refused money Palestinian mslims are the best people I've met, i still have the picture i took with them, in Israel they treated me in the opposite, after that i went Morocco, they were kind snd friendly like Palestinians, in Morocco i also met my wife an Arab mslim woman, I've lived there for 5 years I learned Arabic with her and i accepted lslam we got married and i brought her and her family to live in the UK with us we have 3 kids together they're all raised mslims im glad i saw lslam in it's truest form in Palestine and im Morocco wich is kindness, respect snd friendliness. The UK stsnds with Palestine
I am an American, a Lebanese American to be exact. My parents left in 77. I can see how people in these videos are nervous to answer. Much of my Christian family is in Beirut and North Lebanon. I am very cautious to express my opinion. I do believe that both people deserve to exist and have a level of sovereign borders and autonomy. This is the center of the earth.. The division of east and west.. This battle and quarrelling has some biblical inclinations too. I think people from all over should watch your videos regardless of what they think. It always surprises me the perspectives that are so diverse. Finally, Israel does not belong in Lebanon.. Neither does Syria or Iran. Lebanon has to be Lebanon
That is why we must not hate the people. The Israeli people. Their opinion does not matter since they have no power. The fact the only talk about immorality against them and ignore the plight of the opposition shows they can't have an educated and fair debate. The only people that matter are those with power. Even if all Israelis wants to give Palestinians some advantages, if Netanyahu doesn't want it it won't happen. They don't realise this! They think Netanyahu is on their side. For now! The day Ntyah turns against them they'll be like chickens in a boiling pot. Unable to do anything about themselves.
@@hasuuuu ask Netanyahu about the 2 state solution he derailed from day 1. He actively promoted the rise of Hamas to to make sure Palestinians would not have unity. Divide and conquer is the plan from day 1.
Let’s be real here. With 700,000 settlers in the West Bank how can there be a 2 state solution. Unless those settlers agree to be Palestinian and live under Palestinian rule with Palestinian police officers keeping Palestinians safe from settler violence but we all know Israel would never go for that.
Well they disagreed to the partition plan and to any other proposal the whole world presented. They don't want a two state solution but rather a single Arab Palestinian state. Israelis built a huge wall in the West Bank to keep suicide bombers out, without that wall there would be no Israel by now.
They can just leave and land swap Also this number is much lower i just checked its almost half of what u sais. Israel also has 2m+ arabs and has no issues
I think this RUclipsr handpicked good response. Most israilies want to get rid of Palestinians all together. Why do you think Netanyahu is in power? He promised that the Palestinians will never get their state.
So you think Judaism is going to beat Islam? Even Christianity can't do that. War is for losers. Israel will never be safe now, so Israel has lost. A few million supremacists + the hated USUKing empire won't beat a few billion anti-Isael factions.
Mind Begs the Question: ▪︎If God exiles a people from a land ▪︎For their Transgressions,Wickedness ▪︎To reestablish State with Messiah ▪︎If reestablish State without Messiah ▪︎Righteous or Wicked?
As an Israeli Russian Canadian, I disagree with many interviewees. I too, after October7th massacre, lost any hope for peace. I strongly believe that whoever planed this horror, laid a strong foundation for 50-100 years of war. But I do believe that as soon as we both sides - recognize each other’s pain, history, and identity on this land: only then there will be peace and reconciliation. Until then - endless and useless bloodshed.
@@yesyoucan5855 Lol they talked plenty, they offered 5 different deals, they withdrew from Gaza 1 sidedly. The Palestinians have never offered anything
Indeed, the resistance in Palestine accepted the July 2 deal, but guess who disrupted it and changed its content Netanyahu, and every deal, as the mediators said, is disrupted because of Netanyahu@@minhnguyenphanhoang4193
”we would never hurt them on purpose” yet there are many accounts of children in Gaza having sniper bullet holes in the head. Talk about being delusional.
and? they are not the ones doing this and people have other opinions but i suggest you to look at palestinians options which they clearly want to HARM israelis on PURPOSE.
I cannot understand why they CHOOSE to ignore the Genocide in Gaza, but I expect if they talked to the average German they could explain how they choose to ignore their death camps. Very similar stories
Kobi is the only one who gets it. Palestinians and Israelis have to accept that both peoples have legitimate, national rights and that neither side is going to pack up and leave the region. That's where a solution begins. Everything else is details.
Right, you sound so logical and enlightened, but try stepping your foot in Gaza, Yemen or even areas of Egypt or Morocco and you'll be linched because your name is Jason and not Ahmed.
I was shocked by the level of entitlement those colonizers have, all of them think they can either push them out of their home or accept living in apartheid.
@@glennlgg6871 The 34 Palestinian Children killed in the West Bank in 2023 prior to the 7th Oct sent a message to all the Palestinian Children. I know that was standard operating policy, the hundreds of Palestinian adults also killed in those first 9 months make no difference either to you.
@thomasjosullivan9179 The killing has been going on (on both sides) since decades before Israel became independent. Basically, it comes down to Arab/Muslim rejection of a Jewish state in their historical homeland. The wars will continue until either such a state is fully accepted or either/both parties have been destroyed. Up to you what you think is the best solution. But first, educate yourself on the complexities of the history and the causes of the conflict. And yes, Europe and Russia are the prime cause of it.
Let's talk for a moment about the last guy, I don't know if Jordan should transfer 50% of their land to them, but there is no more logical solution than turning parts of Jordan into Palestinians. Technically, Jordan was part of the British mandate just like Israel, before the existence of the state of Jordan there was no difference between the Arabs there and the Arabs here, and the Palestinians have problems with the existence of the Jews and Israel but they have no problems with Jordan, so why not? Why were the Jordanian Arabs able to receive a huge area from the British mandate but the Jews were not allowed?
@user-ub8gxfr2r Jews took it through bloodshed. It wasn't a case of being allowed or not. And who the hell are the British to pussyfoot all over and destroy nations. Europe, since discovering the sea, have destroyed peace and harmony. You have more land than the indigenous people and your country bombs at every opportunity. They're not leaving and of course now that your herds have multiplied, you can't leave. The conflict on the flip side will again cause bloodshed. No one wants that. The world is sick of the atrocities on that land on both sides. Only if the governments were honest to their people and listened and worked in the interest of the public. The fact is, they don't. And that's where it needs to start from.
It's much easier to reject a population that's different to you than one that is practically identical. The conflict is in my opinion hardly one over land, but rather a cultural and religious one - Arabs are convinced Jews do not belong in the land for the simple fact that they are Jews and not Arabs/Muslims.
@user-ub8gx8fr2r _"Palestinians have problems with the existence of the Jews and Israel but they have no problems with Jordan, so why not?"_ Great question. Isn't it the same issue? What about Jordan expanding to include say 70% of the the West Bank. Palestinian leaders have supported converting the west bank to Jordan (when they were saying that there was really no difference between Palestinians and Arabs in the area). Jews in the area of WB can of course stay but they would be under the Jordanian government, or they could move to the 30% that was Israel's. What about Egypt expanding to take control of Gaza? Arafat was Egyptian so for same reason that should be OK. Both sides will have to accept that they will have to divide this pie somehow. Best solution for now is incorporation of WB and Gaz into the neighbouring Arab states. Israel has peace agreements already with them. If the relations continue to improve, moving from country to country could be like moving between Mexica/Canada/U.S.
@@muhammed-yusuf959 so what? Transjordan and Mandatory Palestine were names of territories and not of countries. Only in 1946 did the Transjordan become a state and two years later Israel became a state. "Palestine" was never a state. Certainly not an independent country. So where am I wrong? P.S. The name "Transjordan" also originates from the Torah. for general knowledge.
Never have I witnessed people with less self-reflection in all my days. A total lack of empathy, absolute entitlement, an inability to consider other perspectives. It's actually frightening.
The solution is very simple. Give the Palestinians their land that they are native to and stop treating them like they're subhuman. You can't continue to treat them like they're subhuman and expect them to sit there and take it. They are a very proud people and will fight to the death as we've seen. Cutting off the electricity, water, trade and then treating them like absolute trash will continue this conflict. If Israelis want to live in peace, then you act like it
If tge native people should own this land so the jews owned this land way way before the identity of palestinians as a nation was even invented in 1964 by yasser arafat...learn some hiszor, before you comment, you look ridicoulus
@@fantasyEXX thank you I love this so humane. They freaking count the calories that they allow for the Palestinians it’s disgusting and now they’re just starving them and murdering them out right
@@nataliaustinovich8802 just because there is food for sale doesn’t mean it is a reasonable prices at all there has been aid trucks prevented from getting in and the people preventing them? Jewish settlers
I see the same thing month after month, Israelis saying Palestinians must accept 'their' agreements etc. Israelis have only themselves in their minds, rarely do they show genuine thought and consideration for the proveable FACTS of this situation. Rarely do they show any genuine understanding or exact knowledge of the facts, just their side. Rarely do they show genuine interest in a fair and just solution for BOTH the Israelis AND the Palestinians. Rarely do they demonstrate genuine responsibility of what Israel has done over MANY decades. They really, truly suffer from MANY illusions, the biggest being that they are innocent and are the 'best' and 'special' people!!!!!!!
@@alextheok8936 Arab states had a cessation of oil shipments to the US due to the US helping Israel in the war, what embargo are you talking about? All American presidents, especially Truman (his period is of course important), had Pro-Jewish-state policies.
@@donospablo2579 Just do a quick search in google and you'll see, it doesnt take to much effort. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations
A very intelligent woman mentioned that it is all about to conquer a land. ' We conquered the land, and Palestinians will have to fight for it to reconquer the land; there for no peace is in the horizon' she said. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER!
For 76 years Israel steals our homes and lands, and despite holding the keys, deeds and title to those properties, we are unable to reclaim them. Our documentation proves ownership, yet settlers continue to steal our property for over 76 years, we try to claim it and build on it but they continue to deny and refuse to return it. This situation raises serious questions: Is this not theft? Where are our rights? In many areas, we do not feel safe; we face ongoing threats and discrimination from Israeli individuals. Our treatment is unjust, and we are denied the right to vote, despite being in an Arab-majority community in some areas. The reality is that we are living under an apartheid system, characterized by an identification system that segregates us. We are denied the right to identify as Palestinians; instead, we are labeled as Arabs. Many of us live in fear, facing constant threats and discrimination from Israeli individuals. We are not treated justly; we are denied the opportunity to vote for our own mayor in a village where the majority is Arab. The reality is that we experience apartheid, as evidenced by the identification system that separates us. We are denied the right to identify as Palestinians and are instead labeled as Arabs. We feel compelled to hide our identity and beliefs, adapting to a culture to avoid mistreatment. Our rights and dignity are disregarded. When an Israeli commits a crime against an Arab, the cases are often dismissed. We are prohibited from purchasing land or constructing homes without approval from Israeli authorities, and even when the land is rightfully ours, permission is frequently denied. We demand our rights. Our lands and homes have been taken, and we are expected to accept this injustice. We live with walls, checkpoints, and constant surveillance. The Israeli government neglects areas with an Arab populated areas with the occupied territories, refusing to provide necessary funding and support, despite our tax contributions. This neglect is evident in the condition of our villages, schools, and parks. We are often excluded from certain universities and job opportunities. It is disheartening to see the pretense of dignity and respect as long as we are compelled to submit and surrender to oppression.
You started a war. You lost. And you’re still crying about not being permitted to “return”? Do you see the descendants of the 850k PEACEFUL Jews who were expelled from other MENA countries still claiming refugee status or claiming a right of return? Are you aware of the hundreds of thousands of ethnic Poles, Germans, and Ukrainians who were forcibly transferred after WWII due to border changes? All these other people have managed to move on. Of course you don’t get to vote in Israeli elections. You’re NOT ISRAELI. Take it up with Hamas or the PA. Your parks?? They are funded by municipality taxes. Do you really not know this? Apartheid? Name one Israeli law that discriminates against you. Are you claiming Arab Israelis can’t purchase property in “Jewish neighborhoods”? Bullshit. You want Palestinian citizenship? Go live in Gaza or the WB. Nobody is stopping you.
@@Noorzuni-n1k You started a war. You lost. And you’re still crying about not being permitted to “return”? Do you see the descendants of the 850k PEACEFUL Jews who were expelled from other MENA countries still claiming refugee status or claiming a right of return? Are you aware of the hundreds of thousands of ethnic Poles, Germans, and Ukrainians who were forcibly transferred after WWII due to border changes? All these other people have managed to move on. Of course you don’t get to vote in Israeli elections if you’re NOT ISRAELI. Take it up with Hamas or the PA. Your parks?? They are funded by municipality taxes. Do you really not know this? Apartheid? Name one Israeli law that discriminates against you. Are you claiming Arab Israelis can’t purchase property in “Jewish neighborhoods”? BS. You want Palestinian citizenship? Go live in Gaza or the WB. Nobody is stopping you. Of course Israel has a wall at its border. You can thank the second intifada for that. And Gazans are perfectly capable of leaving through Egypt. The “control” over Gaza’s air, land, and sea is called a “blockade,” and was imposed INSTEAD of bombing Gaza in return for the 700 rockets fired at Israel between the withdrawal in 2005 and June 2006. For G-d’s sake, take some responsibility for your actions instead of endlessly claiming victimhood. It’s pathetic.
First woman: An Israeli will never come and hurt a Palestinian. What about the pre-1948 Hagana terrorist massacres committed against the Palestinians?! Tantura? Deir-Yassin?! And the on-going massacres up until Oct 6, 2023 and beyond?! These people are disconnected!
The reality is that both sides are not as powerful as they think they are, and perhaps one day we'll choose to settle rather than continue killing and dying.
I like the last guy's idea. Give the Palestinians the West Bank. Move the Israeli settlers out and move everyone from Gaza to the West Bank. Jordan would not be thrilled with his idea of giving them part of Jordan though. Not good having two Palestinian states separated by Israel.
I'm a Swede and have no dog in the race. But it seems to me that the last commenter is onto something. I also think we have a few problems in the post-WW2 international order in that it forbids certain solutions, like forcibly moving people, even when it seems like the only remaining option on the table. Also, that the international community is condoning multi-generational refugee status for palestinians alone is problematic. Generations are wasted in grievances, resistance and dreams of returning to ancestral lands that are Israel. Everyone would be much better off if the Palestinians moved to Jordan and built a new life there without looking back.
@@AmineOuldKaci yes, it seems like the best solution. It has already worked for millions. It's a fairly popular idea, but Jordan's king said just a few days in a UN speech that he wouldn't allow it. Perhaps the rest of the Arab world could join in and take a few in each country. The Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are roughly 1% of the population of the Arab world.
@@jesan733 Yes, that is the best solution however refugees palestinians who already live in Jordan, Lebanon and other arab countries in the region are do not have equal rights. Their kids are not allowed to get education , go school, are not allowed to have citizenship. Saudi arabia took hundreds and thousands of Syrian refugees, and none of them are allowed to go to school or get citizenship same. So this problem is worl community needs to work with Arab countries to acccept them and treat them as equals
@@David-u2b5p I agree, except that my understanding is that most palestinians in Jordan nowadays are naturalized citizens, so they do have equal rights.
Bizarre solution , you really believe it's easier to move them for other countrie like a trash... First of all , I'm shure Jordanians don't want that and it seems like a transfer a problem to another country... I don't know if Sweden wants them but I simply don't know any country that wants to receive such amount of foreigner people even a big country like mine, Brazil. The truth is Palestinians are refugees in their own country and it's is international shame and currently there are millions living as refugees in neighbors countries like Libanon, Egypt , Jordan, etc
The first interviewee has seen Israel occupy and invade Palestine for over 6 decades and still thinks it’s the Palestinians that are causing the conflict
It's a 23-state solution: 22 Arab countries and 1 Jewish country. If the Arab countries don't allow Jews to live in their countries, then Israel should act in the same fashion toward its Arab residents.
@@ahmetdagdelen6180 The USA had an embargo on arms shipments to Israel from 1948 to 1970's, and you still lost every single war you had started. In fact, when Israel became America's ally, Israel started having less and less impressive wins.
Israel highlights another huge problem. It's a democracy. The theocrats and dictators don't want democracy to spread. Everyone in the mideast sees it's progress , prosperity and successes. If democracy spreads, Islam gets wiped out.
@@timurtruman :))) Impressive wins ? Losing every war ? Which wars were you involved in? Which ones are impressive? 6 days wars? A tank play against a bunch of Arabs who gained freedom from Brits who never had a real army? If the USA is a useless ally please cut your relations with America. If Usa does not rule the Middle Eastern countries you will not survive just 1 second. Being an ally ıs not just giving arms
The reason given in the Tanakh is that the people stopped keeping the laws, started worshipping other Gods, and if you go back to when the Torah was given God warned that if this happened they'd be slaves once again and a bunch of other harsh punishments would ensue, so he allowed or caused the Assyrians to destroy the northern kingdom and the babylonians to do the same to the southern kingdom where the temple was.
Do you want a solution to the conflict? Just look at the more tolerable side. Which of the two has more religious freedom? Human rights? More immigrants? Women's rights? Sexual Freedom? After evaluating where the above requirements are present, think with me: Why would I live in a place where the basics for my existence don't exist? It is so easy to know who is right, who is defending themselves against such a hostile and deadly region!
Let me remind you of the Israeli apartheid Law which says that ONLY Jews have the right of self determination. What sort of law is that? Yes, it's a Zionist law, and that is the top and bottom of all the problems.
Anybody who thinks that israelis and Palestinians can live together is OUT OF THEIR MIND . Israelis and Palestinians are extremely different in identity, way life, politics, religion ext. There is NO justification in forcing people to live together in such a small plot of land.
only problem is that it's a situation that already exists- living two nations in such a small piece of land, regardless of borders and land arguments- practically, it's a reality that already exists....
It’s already the situation though. The UN and Europe didn’t want Jews in their lands so they gave them israel as a way to get rid of them. Only problem was that the land they chose to be israel already had people living there. You can’t just steal land and expect the Palestinians to be fine with it.
There are many Palestinians with Israeli citizenship that live and work together with Jews on a daily basis. This could have been the norm if it weren't for religious extremism and the violence it causes. In the past the religious extremism was only on the Palestinian side but it has infected some of the Jews as well. Now they are in the government and they are destroying Israel from within to the delight of Hamas. That is why Hamas is not surrendering and is not compromising in the hostage negotiations. They see that their violence is making the Jews self destructive and Hamas has patience. they will wait a 100 years in order to defeat the Jews. They are willing to sacrifice their people and their children for that end. The mistake of the West was letting these extremists hold on to power for such a long time. The only way for peace is de radicalization. Sadly what we are seeing is the opposite.
@@ThumbDr only that it's not Palestinian land. It was jewish land before it was Palestinian. Jews lived there for thousands of years. Every Palestinian city was once jewish for more than a millenia.
@@ThumbDr That's an incredibly partial way of looking at history... No conflict on earth is as simple as you just presented it... There were Jews living in the region for centuries, AND there were Jews who bought land from Arabs from the end of the 19th century, and did not "steal" it. It was actually the Arab countries who started making laws that if an Arab sold land to a Jew he couldn't move to an Arab country (Egypt for example)...
Not really - he was trying to give a solution to the fact that a future Palestinian state would be split in two (Gaza and the West Bank). While that is an issue, it's far from the biggest challenge that need to be addressed to reach a two state solution. He didn't even mention the really big challenges like Jerusalem, the right of return and the willingness of both sides to give up the idea of having the whole of the land.
The biggest problems is that essential parties will never accept this solution. 1. Settlers are generally uneducated sectarians that will just continue to do what they've been doing for decades driven by an enormous devotion to how they believe the Torah should be interpreted. 2. Jordan will not accept Hamas or basically anything that has a positive relation with Iran. 3. Hamas will not give up on Gaza. 4. Many Palestinians living in the West Bank trust Gaza just as little as they thrust Israel. This whole plan would only be "kind of" possible if the US, UAE, Qatar, Jordan ánd Iran arrange it together and some amount of force is used against the settlers and hamas. And then still, it would only be possible if Jerusalem was given up on by the Palestinians.
Sure, claiming half of Jordan and confiscating Gaza, thus creating a landlocked Palestine, preventing them from creating a harbour. And leaving the settlements on the westbank. What about exchanging the settlement areas, land4land, thus connecting Gaza with the westbank? Or no Gaza because most is flattened out, and move Palestina on the seaside? Then Israel can have its precious Judea and Samaria
As an outsider i can say this: For now stopping the war is of most importance, for this generation it's to late for solution, to much blood is spelt. But maybe there is hope for new generations through education (collective), forget what was before 1948 or 2000 year ago that's the main reason of your endless cycle of wars. Look what is now and with whom you share the street, let the tiny things that you have in common grow into a strong bound, coexistence is your destiny. No one will find you a solution unless you don't, no matter how hard it seems. I really hope and wish you people find peace.
As an outsider - you have no idea what you are talking about. This is an existential crisis for Israel. The rest of the world would like for everything to just stop - it’s easier geopolitically for Israel to just keep taking it. Well Israel has learned and learned too late that ceasefires and prisoner exchanges only guarantee future terror for Israel and Israeli citizens. If everyone wants Israel to stand down - there is a path to that -Hamas full & complete surrender & return of all our hostages. The war was started by Hamas in the most brutal display of inhumanity and continues with Hamas using own people as cannon fodder. Pressure Hamas for concessions for ceasefire not Israel.
The mindset you are describing is exactly what we (Israel) tried to form with them for the past decades. They are not interested. They just want the public support and then do whatever the fuck they like, which will be many more like 7.10.
@@marilepine1 The only difference is the arabs themselves brainwashed us from their countless terror attacks. Go look up the definition of terrorist. It's to literally brainwash with fear. Would you love someone that wants to make your whole life of fear and blood? I bet you wouldn't and yet this is what they always did. Even before the 1900's when we were 5000 Jewish living in the land while the rest were moving from country to country abroad. They still abused the 5,000 minority.
@@esw0y Of course is Israel who are occupying the territory since 68. Same in West Bank. Don't you know about the struggles for a Palestinian State? Don't you know about apartheid?
@@agustinaolivera736 The entitlement you present as if you know what you are talking about is astonishing. I live in Israel. I hold first and second degrees in international relations and middle eastern studies. I hate my government, but at the same time - there is a solid base for our claim on Israel: My family has lived in Israel for 10 generations! The conflict was always a religous conflict, not a nationalist one. There is no aparthide on Israel. All muslims have equal rights in Israel, you can find arabs in the legislative body, in the government (not right now but the previous one), in IDF army, in joint jewish and arab schools, in our universities etc. There are mixed neighborhoods and no jew can reject a muslim from purchasing in a jewish neighborhood. So go F youself. The jewish people just stopped being nice. The Palestinians tried to murder us and we will bite them in the ....and you too you antisemite if you dare show your face here
Nothing more depressing than this conflict. There is absolutely no solution but it is clear proof that a belief in an all powerful being (god/allah) does not stop people from killing eachother 😢
Finally someone is asking Israelis what solution to the conflict is acceptable to them. I'm an Israeli and have been proposing a South Tyrol model solution, so far on deaf ears. Maybe someone will listen to reason before many more innocents are taken out on both sides.
@user-jt8vj1vm6y After WW1, the Allies separated S.Tyrol from Austria, which had been a threat to Italy, and awarded it to Italy, which annexed it. The German-speaking S. Tyrolers were granted autonomy with full civil right to language and Italy sent in troops to safeguard the peace. Things have turned out well. S.Tyrol is called Alto Adige in Italian. Many S. Tyrolese are bilingual. There is no terrorism. The current situation in the Holyland is quite similar.
Perhaps. The Model would be implemented gradually, subject to continuing dialog and review. Implementation will cause dissident Arabs to leave while ensuing prosperity will lower their birthrate. Peace will stem Jewish outflow and result in much inflow. Let's keep talking.😊😊😊
@user-jt8vj1vm6y Delighted to hear your positive attitude. If we think it out properly its implemenation will lead to an expanded Abraham Accords with peace and prosperity for all concerned. Historically Jews and Arabs, true monotheists both, co-operated and prospered in Caliphate Iraq, Moorish Spain and other less known venues. Would welcome further comments and input. We show goodwill and determination and the Almighty will see it thru.
I started to teach the History of the Middle East 25 years ago. When I started to lecture, I told my students how a two-state solution would be possible. But the first thing that needs to happen is the people in Gaza and West Bank have to create a true free democracy in their areas. Free speech, free press and most importantly a toleration and acceptance of a Jewish State. Sadly, I think that ship has sailed, that in reality it will be very hard for this to happen. I share all my lectures with anyone who wants to see them. I run through the entire history of Israel and the conflicts with the Arab neighbors. People want to come up with excuses like "the divide of land was not fair" or "Arabs had to leave" well guess what many Jews were had to flee Arab nations, dividing a land between two people is never easy, but it was the Arab nations that attacked Israel in 48. Even in 67 Israel was still not in the West Bank, only after Jordan was warned don't get involved in the 6 day war. They did, they lost the West bank. I can go on and on.
Maybe you should start teaching the history of the Caanites and their conversion to Islam and how they are the natives of the land. oh wait you don't want to learn the truth. why cant one side do a DNA test? ask yourself these questions
Mind Begs the Question: ▪︎If God exiles a people from a land ▪︎For their Transgressions,Wickedness ▪︎To reestablish State with Messiah ▪︎If reestablish State without Messiah ▪︎Worshipping - God or Satan?
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Pretty much what the ultra orthodox Jews believe. They are vehemently against a state of Israel for the Jews without the return of their Messiah first. I am not Jewish or Arab, nor am I religious, so I don't know how this region will ever have peace. It's an absolute mess and many different angles it can be viewed in.
Mind Begs the Question: ▪︎If Nazis escaped ▪︎Embed in another Nation,Religion ▪︎Rename their Political Movement ▪︎Can't be recognized ▪︎Can be recognized by Matching Policies ▪︎Superior Race ideology,Dehumanization,Starvation,Concentration Camps,Gassing (White Phosphorus),Pogroms,Ethnic Cleansing,etc?
the guy talking about partitioning is actually really smart i like his ideas seems like he genuinely cares about the palistinians but isrealistic on both sides
“His Majesty’s government has been faced with an irreconcilable conflict. for the Jews, the essential point of principle is the creation of a sovereign Jewish state. For the Arabs, the essential point of principle is to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in any part of Palestine.” Ernest Bevin This is the whole conflict in a few sentences
@livnatperez9259 so everything after October 7th is justified by October 7th buy October 7th can't be justified by 7 decades worth of rape, murder , theft and apartheid. Ok, we see you , another deluded , brainwashed zionist fool
@@livnatperez9259 bro what about before this conflict it is going on for more then 75 years and the only thing you to say is oct 7th 😂😂 grow up man and open you’re eyes
The solution is to remove resentment, hate, memory, and greed from the human heart. If I had that power, I’d consider using it at this point. But some would say that removes what being human is.
The word "Palestine" at all times in the history meant only one thing: no Jewish control of their Holy Land. It has never referred to an ethnic group or a nation. The word invented by the Romans and picked by KGB-affiliated Arab socialists in the 60's. Given this fact, any talks of "peace with Palestinians" means one thing: surrender of the Jews.
Palace-Stein: 1.) An elaborately decorated vessel for the consumption of beer by Royalty, and their guests. 2.) A formal vessel fit for a prince or a king.
You need to take off that tinfoil hat and return to reality. The existence of a people doesn't spontaneous generate from a name. Names are invented for preexisting things. To begin with, the Kingdom of Israel had never controlled the area known as Gaza. That was under the Philistines (Palestine). This is what happens when you let vague notions of a religious faith delude you from actual facts.
@@jonathanchang1574 Really? And what kind of ideology gave right to China to control Tibet? Maybe you should "free" that region from oppression first?
@@jonathanchang1574 Deal! All who identify themselves as Palestinians should move to Gaza and other Arabs need to move back to Arabian Peninsula, before they left there to build their global caliphate.
it's much easier to fight a war on one clear front with a border, than trying to fight in 4-5 fronts all in the same time. I mean if you can't understand something so simple than there really is no hope for you. Plus, when did Israel "cry" about the intentions of its enemies? the crying ones are the palestinains, always starting aggrssion, always losing and most certainly always playing the victim card.
Kobi of Tel aviv was the best i've heard, the plan needs some ironing out but sounds better than a lot of response's, i would like to hear more of him or others with his view point. sensible ,humble & level headed. a Mans MAN answering a hot topic question straight forward, no emotional responses as much as these events 100& affect him. much respect ✊
I am not Israeli but my solution would be a 3 state solution, because the Palestinians especially in Gaza are so traumatized that they cannot be forced to live among Israelis. They should get the Westbank. Palestinians that are ok with living among Israelis can move to Israel and everybody living there should get the same rights. Gaza is unlivable and totally destroyed at the moment and will become a prison state. All those Israelis responsible for crimes against humanity like Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Netanjahu, violent settlers, right wing extremist will be send there to rebuild Gaza with their own hands. There will be a live view of their doing 24/7 online for everybody to see. Non violent settlers can also move to Israel or leave, but all Israelis have to be reeducated and Israel should be renamed. If Israelis commit a hate crime against Palestinians, they will be send to Gaza to rebuild as well. How long depends on the severity of their crime and they should be separated frim the war criminals, that will serve their time in Gaza as long as they live. After a few years the 2 states can vote if they want to become 1 state and if Gaza is rebuild it will become part of that 1 state or former Israel if the Palestinians decide they don't want a 1 state solution
I live in Mexico and I am not 100% educated on this conflict, which I understand goes back for several decades. Mexico and Israel hold excellent Diplomatic relations. In fact, Israel was amongst the countries who sent a Brigade to rescue civilians after Mexico City's earthquake in 2017. As an attempt to educate myself, I would appreciate if IDF or an informed party, could fill me in on the following questions: 1) On pro-Palestinian posts, I have read the term "Occupation" and "Settlers" a lot. Is there such a thing as "Occupation"? Is there in present day, any occupation from Israel on Palestinian territory? Are there any Israeli Settlers building homes and neighborhoods on Palestinian soil? If so, how would THAT, not fuel the RESENTMENT on Palestinians? How could imposing my Settlements on my neighbor's territory, help reach a peaceful relationship with such neighbor?
Yes, there is an occupation and there are settlements, however, many pro-Palestine persons use the term incorrectly or too broadly. Legally speaking, Israel holds the West Bank under military occupation since June 1967 when it took the territory from Jordan in the 67 war (Gaza was taken from Egypt but because Israel has not had day-to-day administrative control in Gaza since pulling out troops and settlers in 2005, its status is more complicated). The UN Security Council passed resolution 242 stating that Israel would give back territories conquered in 1967 in return for having its existence and territorial integrity accepted (up till that time, the Arabs refused to recognize Israel’s right to even exist, and were sworn to its destruction). In 1993, Israel and the PLO as representatives of the Palestinian People signed the Oslo Accords which divided the West Bank into 3 zones - one under full Israeli control, one under Israeli security control but with Palestinian civil control, and one with full (civil and security) Palestinian Authority control. However, under international law, as a final peace deal has not been reached and Israel has not annexed the territories, its status remains as occupied. As for settlements, for the most part, I don’t believe Israel directly builds them on privately owned Palestinian land, and sometimes, Israeli courts have ordered settlement outposts to be taken down as they were essentially stolen. In most instances however, Israel may take land for security purposes (the land owners may be compensated) but then settlers move in, or public/state lands are used for settlements. Of course settlements fuel resentment among the Palestinians. One of the purposes of the settlements is to make the creation of a viable Palestinian State difficult if not impossible. They are a thorn in the Palestinians’ side. And almost all legal scholars agree they are a violation of international law. But here is the flip side - many pro-Palestinians, and Palestinians themselves, when they refer to “occupation” do not mean the 1967 territories - they mean the entirety of Israel. And when they say “settlements”, they mean any town, village or city in Israel. Palestinians themselves, or their leaders, have, in the past, rejected offers that would have given them a state and self-determination, and would have spared them of the growth we’ve seen in settlements over the past 17 years. The West Bank especially is strategically important - remember that Israel is a small country - the vast majority of the population live within 16km of the West Bank. The WB is also highlands (tierras altas), whereas much of the Israeli population live within a coastal plain (llanuras costeras). This means that if a Palestinian State is armed and hostile, most Israelis are at risk and the country cannot be properly defended. Israel did end its occupation of south Lebanon 24 years ago, but it didn’t bring peace - it worsened Israel’s security situation. Israel did withdraw from Gaza nearly 20 years ago, and got rid of the settlements, but you know how that story turned out. Therefore, Israelis feel, with some justification, that if Palestinians and their supporters view all of Israel as occupied territory, it is better to keep them under military control, even though it obviously embitters the Palestinians’ lives.
Israel’s view to Palestine is very contradictory and hypocritical. They - kinda - recognize Palestine authority, but only if it’s their own interest. They are not bothered to provide water, energy or infrastructure; because these lands are Palestine lands. But when Palestine authorities try to invest on their land, Israel decides that it’s actually Israeli land and they do their best to block. There is no airport in Palestine. They can’t build water wells or they can not build even roads between the villages. But Israel is totally free to build a settlement within Palestinian land and no one stops him. So the summary is: It’s all our land if there is a profit, and its their land if there is a responsibility 😂
@@benjaminr6153there is an occupation cause The Israelis government decided for 20 years to take over palestians land in West Bank to autorise construction of Settlements with the supervision of the Army for the new Jewish people coming to do their exodus. This new settlers have created their own militia under supervision of 2 or 3 army guards. So is it an occupation, you are free to think but when Government protected settlers by blocking water for them and destroying Palestinians agriculture, if you add the wall on all West Bank so what do you call ? Even the ICJ confirmed all those factors. There is an occupation segregation and limitation of Palestinians to build their houses 😢
Exactly this is why Netanyahu is a war criminal and a charlatan. If we got rid of him, we could actually make a deal to have 2 states within a state or even a united Palestine/Israel
You asking israelis about palesteenians while they are in process of annihilation of Gaza, and the West Bank already disappeared from the Israeeli maps as well.
We got hurt so much on October 7 so we have no trust anymore. The people who came to work in our homes gathered information about us and came to murder us. Would you behave differently?
@@travelgirll I can understand why it would be very painful of course but I think many people would behave differently. The level of vengeance in response has been absolutely disproportionate, in the scale of human life alone apart from the physical destruction. After a full year, you would think the desire for revenge would subside but no.
Omg u were hurt ? And of course the 75 years of occupation and atrocities that you were doing next door shouldnt have ANY impact. Like HOW dare they retaliate. Afterall all israel was doing was stealing looting their lands, kidnapping children and calling them prisoners and killing children and activists. This shouldnt have made any resistance forces react right. The amount of ignorance and evilness israelis have is just baffling.
The story started in 1948, when you stole a land and kept invading more and more territory, do you remember ? So you can shove October 7 up your a** Zionists love twisting and ignoring history so much
People talking about Israeli “arrogance” and “lack of accountability” are forgetting one simple fact: none of it matters. Israel is winning. Palestine will either have to choose peace or continue to lose.
That guy talking about "No fear" needs to be reminded that the Jews who were slaughtered had no fear, they'd thought they were friends with the local Arabs for many years. Then the Arabs who they thought were friends came in and slaughtered them and took many hostage.
It's always a western islamphobe who spreads disinformation like it's nothing. Show the people credible sources that friends betrayed each other. I know it's not conceivable in your puny western mind but friendships and hospitality are valued in Islamic countries. There have been plenty of examples of Muslims protecting Jewish guests against the ones that wanted to kill them, even sacrificing their own blood to do it. And now you're here spitting in their memories? You're truly a vile creature.
what's wrong with the always victim card do you often use? Do you think really that your side had suffered the most since a year? a decade ? or since 75 years ?
alexcarter8897. why on earth they will think they were friends with the local Arabs when they kept them in a cage for twenty years. what kind of friendship is this.
No one kept anyone in cages. Drop the hasbara fearmpngering and look at what the Stern Group, Hagana and Irgun, which were colonial terrorist militias did. Our jewish citizens in Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and the region were harassed and pushed out of their centuries long peaceful coexistence with Arabs by the Eastern European zionist who were atheists and not even religious or from the jewish faith. Good luck making sense of a colonial state’s collapse.
@@gerri577oh god here we go again. The Jews were expelled from Europe because the Europeans were jealous of their success. They work hard and keep their culture alive by making sure other Jews are also successful-buying from them, supporting them, etc. That was the underlying reason why the n@zis hated them-the Jews found ways to be successful and make money despite only being allowed to pursue certain occupations and live in certain places, while the Europeans were lazy and struggled to achieve the same monetary success. On the contrary, the Palestinians aren’t being let into any of the Arab countries because they started trying to overthrow governments and start revolutions when they were given refuge in places like Jordan and Lebanon. Of course, the Arab governments give other reasons for not letting the Palestinians in, just as the n@zis gave other reasons for hating the Jewish people, but the reasons given on paper do not describe the true psychological motives and biases underlying these decision. I am not Jewish nor do I have any relationship to Jews or Palestinians, but it is clear that the Jewish people work hard and help each other to build successful businesses and economies within their culture, and so many people without any surrounding culture that cares about the other members of that culture are jealous. People come up with all these crazy conspiracies about Jewish people, but at the end of the day, they work hard, ensure their children get the best education possible, and ensure that Jewish businesses thrive by supporting those Jewish businesses. They then used those skills to successfully build a nation. The rest of the world is divided and jealous because they cannot organize themselves and build their own nation and businesses as the Jewish people did. If you want to be rich and successful, get off the internet and go to work!
My hot take. Three state solution: Israel, Gaza and West Bank (borders are those of 1948-1967). If Gaza and West Bank want to reunite (without any border change of course) they can do that in the future. All settlers go back to Israel, or if they want they can stay but they're under the new Palestinian state (as foreigners). International community helps to mantain peace and to control borders initially. Golan heights back to Syria too, even though I definitely don't like Assad and its dictatorship. Edit: I found out that there was already a solution called like that. The difference is that they propose to give Gaza to Egypt and West Bank to Jordan, while I think there should be 2 new Palestinian states.
You are brainwashed. Yes when the PLO killed Israelies everywhere Israel supported Hamas 40 years ago because they thought it would be a more moderate organization with religious peaceful values.
No, Hamas was not created or directly funded by Israel. However, there is a historical context that has led to confusion around this claim. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Israel tolerated and even tacitly supported the activities of the Palestinian Islamist movement, from which Hamas later emerged. This was partly because Israel viewed Islamist groups as a counterbalance to the secular nationalist Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), which was seen as a more immediate threat. Hamas officially formed in 1987, during the First Intifada, as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. While Israel may have indirectly contributed to the conditions that allowed Hamas to grow by not cracking down on these Islamist groups initially, it is incorrect to say Israel created or funded Hamas. Over time, Hamas became a militant organization opposed to Israel, and the two have been in direct conflict since.
Yes, the last bloke raised the same thing I have often thought, with the two separate parcels of land being illogical and needing to be unified for any practical governance and identity into the future. I also agree that Jordan has a strong role to play, as that nation was part of the British Mandate, so it needs to step up and take some responsibility for the Palestinians too.
jordan needs to step in and oust netanyahu. How dare isreal think they can displace millions of gazan's to jordan. That's called ethnic cleansing. And it's against international laws.
Totally. People forget that those lines in the middle east were arbitrarily and politically drawn. If all of Israel's neighbors have no qualms about questioning the borders of Israel then all borders should be re-opened. The Hashemites can be re-installed in Hejaz. The Ottomans can lose a bit of land. Egypt etc. Plenty of land in the middle east.
@@FuNkYTiMeS001 Arab colonialists? The US, Canada, and Australia are colonized by the Europeans. Israel is returned to its rightful historical owners. Big difference. I'm not saying no to peace. The Palestinians are. They need to stop saying colonizers and start thinking about how we get to a better place.
In my opinikn ..The solution is one state where every one have equal rights ... everyone who do not accept this solutions and do not accept that his or her neighbor can be Muslim jew or Christian. And they have the exact equal rightss... like him or hir ..has to leave this land. Arab countries ..must also apologize for the jwes they where kicked out and offer them the right to return.. if they want,
unrealistic solution. you (the people with this mentality) always think that all people in the world think exacly like you and share the same morals like you (like freedom of religion for instance). The people in the middle east don't think like you. Listen to them, listen to what they say. Palestinians do not even want jews to live/enter they proclaimed area, and you want freedom of religion? how can people be so blind to the truth? I mean you can ever see it so clearly in Core's videos
A pipe dream…attempted in Bosnia and Cyprus, among other countries and has been an abject failure in both. In Bosnia the Serbian entity has spent years trying to become part of Serbia and interethnic conflict is rife. Cyprus is the other example of simply having a militarily forced partition. Islam requires that Jews be treated as second class citizens, it is simply incompatible with their religious beliefs to live as equals with dhimmi Jews.
@@UkraineTrain13 I like how you think Islam looks down on others as dhimmi Jews but can't seem to fathom that Jews literally think all humans in the world are here to be their slaves and serve them, and they are Gods chosen people. Literally the exact same thing.
You forget about the apology to the Palestinians for kicking them off their land (and its still happening). Also if you look at the history the Zionists were instigators in getting the Jews kicked out of the Arab states because they wanted them in Israel.
I see people saying Free Palestine but it looks like Israelis aren't free either, in Israel. So what's the point. I am Jewish and I'm happy that I don't live in Israel. Lots of questionable people that forget they are first of all, humans. And the same can be said about Palestinians, probably. So sad.
Another woke troll has entered the chat. The people living in the Middle East, especially in Israel, do not share your woke-secular morals. they are religious, they don't want a secular with zero identity state. Jews want a Jewish state, for their own survival for very reasonable reason (you of all people should know better). Palestinians wants a religious Muslim state, certainly not to share it with other people and religions. Sad or not, this is reality.
yes imagen living in region all of its people hate you to the gut although historically that wasn't the case at all. Arabs are the closest people related to the Jews and yet Zionist declared a full war on them. so they even made the Semitic nations become anti-Semite
At first i felt sympathy for the first interviewee (the 63 y/o lady who lost hope), but in the end she justifies violence and abuse, as long as attackers don't kill themselves. Wow
No... she just said that the settlers are different from the Palestinians in that they don't blow themselves up, so in this sense they value life more than the Palestinians. This is not to say that they are better or worse than the Palestinians in their actions.
You have to understand what they go through. Its a subtle kind of brainwashing. To the outside world they seem insane, but to them it’s normal
@@User-jr7vfsettlers don't need to blow themselves up. They have backing of military and police to create tensions. They are supported in violence. Why would they blow themselves up. Palestinians on the other hand do whatever out of helplessness. There is a big psychological war going on here 70+ years on.
It’s fascinating how the most common denominator seems to be “Palestinians just have to accept Israel and then we will have peace.” Nobody said anything that THEY would do to contribute to peace; only what the others should do.
Eg. The guy who says that Jordan has to give up half its land and Palestinians have to leave Gaza.
This is the first mover, P should accept the Jewish state and than a 2 states solution can be formed.
This is why previous attempts failed, why P did not accept the Clinton parameters, Taba, Olmert offer etc.
So this is why they will keep their life in an always worsening condition....
Stop being unreasonable jihadistic culture (look how many Israelis fight for the life of probably 66 live hostages) and start and resist the cult of deaths that call Hamas.
Israelis fight their fascist government, show us dear Palestinian that you are against your jihadistic government and you love life more than you are loving the idea of having the whole land to yourself, you are not in a position to ask for it any more...
How can you expect to have peace without them even recognizing Israel
maybe they should just leave israel if they don't like it. we all know "ancient palestine homeland" is a myth. no one but the jews have been there that long.
The Christian boy was so sweet and a beacon of hope. Bringing young people from both sides-Israelis and Palestinians-together to foster peace and friendship is truly the only way forward. While the rest of the world keeps projecting their opinions and hateful views onto this small piece of land, only those who live there can create the projects that reflect what everyone genuinely desires in a pure heart, free from greed and hate. The fact that so many countries are pouring more and more into military build-up makes it hard to envision a future where killing isn’t seen as a solution. It’s nothing more than a downward spiral.
Zionists want non-jews to accept to share the land, zionists did not buy, not paid for and does not own. Zionists just want free land.
Conflict did not begin with hate but geo-political ambition by the European Jews
@@upwardspiral61in 1920? 1929 Hebron? Could you explain more?.I'm genuinely interested to hear your view. I'm from Europe..thanks
I also thought it was wiser and less naive than at first sight. It is how France and Germany became brothers and though our relationship with Poland remains difficult as they are also geopolitically in a tough spot there is friendship and peace for so long now and a big part of it is because you talk with people not about them. You work with them, etc. The EU has it's flaws but it is so much more than about the economy.
You can't expect a reasonable solution from someone who believes that God gave him this land and him alone. The same answers we heard before... Arabs have many countries, move them there. As if in the last 1400 years no Arab lived there. The Palestinian can simply say: There are many European countries, go back there (at least for the ashkenazi).
And the guy who said that in 1947 Arabs were give more than half the land... that tells you how much they know about their own history.
Looking at the Oslo accord and the maps of the land i.e. Zones A, B, and C, it looks like Israelis wanted the use the same concept the Americans used with the native Americans. It's never gonna work.
If you had the slightest will to learn anything about Israelis you'd know you are making an extremely dumb argument
Most jews will not make this argument when asked about the claim to this land
If you had a tiny bit of understanding of israeli society, you'd know that
@@kwilla2001 thank you 🙏 well said
@@kwilla2001 im an atheist and i also hate the biblical argument.
Lets talk about recent history. The arabs started and lost numerous wars against Israel, and Israel won the land. End of story. Dont play games if you cant accept your lost.
And about your "ashkenazi european" argument, its a joke... the jews got systemetically genocided in Europe, and as for the middle eastern jews, they got expelled brutally from Iraq, Syria, Egypt etc... and jews are first of all jews, before they are european, yemani or american. Judaism isnt a religion you can just practice out of the blue, therefor most jews are related to the same ancestors. In the Israeli ID, Judaism is considered as ethnicity.
@@kwilla2001 The Jews never said only they had a right to inhabit the land. Nobody was expelled or told to leave when Israel was formed. Those villages that entered into non-aggression pacts went on to become the 2M Arabs living in Israel today. Those who chose war and fled were not allowed back. Starting a war and losing has consequences.
The term nakba was first used by Constantine Zureiq to refer to the war of independence, whereby “seven Arab states declare war on Zionism, stop impotent before it, and then turn on their heels.” His brief mention of the refugees was his concern that they might be “forced to return to their homes, there to live under the Zionist shadow”.
War refugees were unremarkable at the time; “population transfers” were the norm when borders changed. Have a look at the forced transfers of Poles, Ukrainians, and Germans after WWII. Not permitting people who had just attacked you to live in your country was uncontroversial. In fact, leaving minorities “stranded” was considered unethical.
@@joge2468lol. Are you done with your hasbara?
Google when was Der Yassin, the. Nakba started before the Arabs attck, the Arabs attacked because of the Nakba.
I have the most respect for the last guy. At least he offered a scenario that he thinks would work.
Everybody forgot one crucial thing... Both sides must stop being funded by external powers. Both the US and Iran only have geopolitical interests in that region, thus why they fund each party.
Did anyone say end the occupation and let the Palestinians live freely?
Good intentions but won’t work. Israel left Gaza and Hamas took over. They are openly genocidal jihadists. Israel left Lebanon and now Hezbollah is firing rockets and northern Israel is uninhabitable. Israel is too small and the border with the West Bank is too long to risk another Iranian proxy taking over and firing rockets directly on the airport or Tel Aviv. The source of the problem here is Islamic fanaticism - the belief that Allah commands Muslims to control any land that was previously controlled by Muslims. Jihadists actually say they love death like their enemies love life. They glorify martyrdom. Crazy! Once the religious extremists are defeated peace is possible. Jihadists are like modern day Nazis but more dangerous because they aren’t afraid to die.
@@thefatherofwilliam they should have that right and now they have been granted statehood by a majority of the members of the UN security council right? But getting that to happen getting Israel to stop the genocide Netanyahu to stop that’s another story
The settlers want to take their land
@@wendywhite4929And what government? Hamas or PlO ? By the way Hamas killed some members of PLO , in 2005 , and Israel helped them to escape .
@@nataliaustinovich8802 yeah and Netanyahu propped up Hamas in the interest of destabilizing any possibilities of an independent Palestinian state and to foment divisiveness and hatred.
Apparently he had warning of the attack on October 7 and they did nothing
Then there’s a Hannibal directive- some of the killings on October 7 that were blamed on Hamas were actually IDF. You can’t believe what Netanyahu says and there’s no justification for the numbers. There’s absolutely no comparison with the numbers and the brutality. Israel controlled the amount of calories each Gazan could have long before they started starving them and murdering them out right in front of the whole world and celebrating it on TikTok
@@nataliaustinovich8802 all of your reasons just amount to attempting to justify a genocide when the population who is supposedly defending this colonial experiment said themselves never again… Shame on you all and all the Christians who are supporting it as well
Israelis aren't going to Dissappear,
Palestinian aren't going to Dissappear
Harming one side whatever the context will undoubtedly always come back to harm the people you care about most , It is a cycle and it won't end ever unless Both change or better Dissappear especially In case of hamas & netenyahu
That's about it, plain and simple.
But Mossad created Hamas free barghouti , shin bet has to stop creating false flag attacks against their own people as an excuse to steal land and massacre innocent women and children
@@Arydyn Palestinians are not going to disappear because they have never appeared. Those have been Arabs.
go back to europe, ur not middle eastern not even 0.1% smarties
That is what may be called
" Not learning from Mistakes" Islam loves war. Unlike a normal mindset, an Islamic mind seeks war because it has a desire to overwhelm. Conceding anything will be suicidal.
Israel will have to fight and cower these Jihadists into silence. Any sign of weakness will only encourage more war. Israeli always thought that HAMAS @ Islamists will never attack and accept status quo, Oct 7 proved them wrong.
Or
Jews can simply pack up and leave Middle East
1:25 she claimed “they never come and hurt them on purpose” Corey “they came and burned down their homes” her response with utter impunity “yeah but”
Hey great job for comparing some extreme groups of settlers to almost 70% of the population of Gaza and the West Bank who support Hamas and it's extreme view of violence 👍
@@esw0y But 50% of the population of Gaza are children. Great job for comparing children to an extreme group.
Let’s face it though m, if you had your land stolen and then have to abide by the almighty rule of the Jews, wouldn’t you join Hamas???
As for Israelis- they are brainwashed from childhood, I do to aged to join an army, and then have the audacity to think of themselves as victims.
They haven’t learnt anything from their own history.
@@esw0y What would you do if you where living in Gaza? Support the oppressor? What would you do if you live there and you were never granted by Israel a permission to leave Gaza to study or get medical treatment abroad? would condemn Hamas or Israel for that? Hamas is a consequence of the occupation of Palestinian people, is not the cause. Please stop repeating propaganda and use the common sense. Settlers are not a fringe is Israeli society, they are supported and protected by the state, finance by zionist around the world and they are in key state positions. You can't dismissed their behaviour so quickly. They have a supremacist ideology that is endemic in the state.
@@esw0y That extreme group is actively aided and supported by the government and many officials who also voice that same extreme view of violence. Who elected those people and keep them in power? Also most of the people alive in Gaza weren't even alive nor eligible to vote when the last elections were held in Gaza in 2006. So it would actually appear that more people in Israel TODAY support the violence rather than Palestinians in Gaza electing Hamas. 👍 If we're going to use your logic, my friend.
"an Israeli will never come and hurt a Palestinian on purpose", says woman who claims to have lived in Israel for 63 years. Just fucking wow.
Name one war that the Israelis started, since the very beginning of this conflict
She did clarify though that she meant they won’t carry out suicide attacks.
@@oronjoffe what kind of bullshit distinction is this? Israelis will burn Palestinian children alive in their beds or gun them down in a mosque as they pray, but the fact they didn't kill themselves in the process is evidence of moral superiority?
@@oronjoffe I guess she doesn't know about Operation Cast Lead.
So her living hurts someone? I don’t understand
The world would be a great deal better off without all this ancestoral bs. So what if someone took something off my ancestors, that doesn't mean it's still mine. If you steal from me, you need to give it back. But once I'm gone, what's done is done, it's not suddenly rightfully my child's. By taking this logic to it's conclusion as an Englishman, I could assume my ancestors owned parts of Northern France and should therefore return it to me. If you make ancestral rights claims, the violence will NEVER end. Stop claiming land is yours that YOU never had.
No, the world would be a better place if a certain group of people could have their own country LIKE THE OTHER CERTAIN GROUP HAS 49+! They’re asking for ONE PLACE THATS SOLELY THEIRS, AS PROMISED (by more than God) LIKE HISTORY, ARCHAEOLOGY, DNA PROVES. It’s about land for the Js but not so for the others. They just want to fight bc their god can’t.
Tribals gonna be tribal though man
Wake up to reality my friend... all politics it's about control, obviously involving land. Maybe in La La Land we will all live together in the globe as we don't own anything truthfully, but in our world, in reality, humans always claim and compete. I choose to be realistic and see how the world works the way it is, not the way I want it to work, what about you?
Bro I agree with you finally someone said that
Shaya from Netanya says accurately that Jews bought land from Arab owners, and from Turks. Turks PERMITTED Jews to settle areas which a map shows was the same area as malaria infested swamps.
Jaffa existed, but Jews moved outside of Jaffa to start neighborhoods in the desert and establish Tel Aviv in 1909. You can look at a photo and see, no Arabs lived on the land that became Tel Aviv.
Arabs should return all the land and property they stole from Jews before 1948. Many neighborhoods in several cities that were historically always Jewish cities.
There's two questions, one of INDIVIDUAL property ownership, and the other about the right to establish a legal sovereign democratic nation state government to govern everyone on this land area where YOU AND OTHERS OWN LEGAL TITLE.
Islam says, Land Titles transferred to Jews for payment to Arabs are NULL AND VOID, because legally established property rights are superseded by the rule that any land conquered by Muslims and by Allah, must be Islamic land forever, and never ruled by infidels.
Israel is a democratic state, is NOT Sharia. That's HARAM because Allah blessed Islamic invaders to conquer the land in 637, so it is forbidden for ANY of the land, the smallest portion, to be not under Sharia, to be not controlled by Muslims.
Jews INVITED Arabs to stay in Israel and they still live there today, but Muslims won't accept Jews as equals under Sharia because Jews were hated and killed by Muhammad, peace be unto him. 😅
Thank you for your amazing work! So useful and interesting to listen to the common people to express their thoughts openly and without a script
There is no solution when one side wants everything and won’t negotiate and wants you dead
Yh that's isreals side. I see how yall talk about palestinians
@@khadijahbegum3546 Not really true i think. Most stuff i see or hear is Isrealis being quite accepting of a 2 state solution if the Palestinians were to accept it but the Palestinians seem delusional af and somehow they seem to think that it is actually their land by some invented god given right when they in fact were created by the Romans partly as an effort to erase the connection between the Jewish people and their land.
Camp David Summit was insulting towards Palestinians. For instance, Arafat had to negotiate for months just to get 2:1 land swaps- meaning for every 2 units of land taken by Israel, Palestine would get 1 unit in exchange (obviously unfair). More worrying though is that Palestinians weren't even offered a state under most conventional definitions- they would be demilitarized, have no unfettered access to airspace, no rights to the Gaza marine or their offshore fisheries, and limited access to potable water sources. Worryingly, the refugees would be denied the right of return. This is a bullshit offer for a state without sovereignty still very much under the yoke of Israel, and youact as if the Palestinians are just ungrateful savages. Ignorance at its finest, my dear.
@@khadijahbegum3546
Everyone can read the horrible insults and allegations against Jews in Islamic scriptures and the Allah prophecy in the Hadith that Muslims will exterminate all Jews in Judgment day, the countless public calls for death of Jews, prayers to "Allah" to exterminate the Jews, the glorification of murders and rapes of Jews to know who you Muslims truly are, what you believe and what you will do in the first opportunity.
You think everyone is stupid that is the reason you write such an insult to the intelliegence.
@@darwin6883
All peace proposals failed up to day because Israel want end of conflict or "end of claims" as condition to the creation of Palestinian state on 1949-67 armistice lines (with land swamps) and Palestinians see the creation of the Palestinian state just another phase in the conflict and openly reject all compromises that wouldn't satisfy all their national aspirations including "the right of return" of Palestinian refugees and their descendants to Israel proper - the central component of Palestinian national identity - that if Israel accept it will create a demographic shift that Jews at best will be a minority in a state called "Israel" side by side an Arab Muslim majority state called "Palestine".
Besides Camp David wasn't the last permanent peace proposal despite the second intifada. The last peace proposal was during the Obama administration that offered Palestinians a state on 1967 borders and gave them far more concessions in Jerusalem than previous peace proposals including Camp David. Israel PM Netanyahu accepted the proposal with reservations while Palestinian President Mahmud Abbas ("Abu Mazen") never replied. Years later in an interview to an Arab journal he declared that he rejected it because it is "too far" insisting for the "right of return" with no limit in time and number of refugees.
You and everyone else have definitely the right to oppose Israel existence but blaming Israeli Jews not to commit national, social and economic suicide in order to achieve "justice" for Palestinians is a step too far.
(I am Israeli and a Palestinian) : There is only one practical solution : One country, 2 states. A confederate that (1) separates state and religion, (2) one economy, one currency, (3) A constitution where everyone is equal, and yes even (4) One army. We need one destiny where everyone wins. This solution can't happen overnight, the next generation with the right education can, but you need visionaries on both sides to get there. The last guy started making sense but then he came delusional , the rest of the people were all extreme and worse the extreme Palestinians
That is a very interesting take. I've never thought about having two autonomous states within a single country. Are you thinking 67 borders with the capital in Jerusalem? What would the name of the country be that would satisfy both parties?
hell no. nobody will ever want to live together with the palestinians. especially israelis after what happend. the delusional one is you my friend
Question: how can you be an Israeli and Palestinian at the same time? Do you get to vote both in Israeli elections, as well as the Palestinian elections (in case PA or Hamas ever allows another elections for Palestinians)? A bit like a dual-citizenship? Should other Israelis (also jews) have the right to vote in Palestinian elections as well?
@@aliadeeb6859I believe he is saying NO BORDERS inside this country. And equal rights for israelis and Palestinians. And guess who doesn't want this solution? Israel.
Do you look like one of those "human animals" that Israelis hate so much?
A man turned to God in his evening prayer; "dear God when will there be peace in the Middle East"? There was a long sigh, - and then a long pause, before God answered; "it's not going to happen in my time"
As long as Israel and the US are there, there won’t be any
@@Joseph-ql9ox exactly
@@Joseph-ql9oxAs long Iran will support his proxy in Middle East, there won’t be any
@Arete-l9l Your attempt at replacing the Culture and identify of the real jews that belong to the middle east not the fake Eastern European colonizers is as fictious as Is Not Raels existence. #FREEPALƐSTINE
@@CadmuSoulFREE PALƐSTINE
The guy saying they always rejected deals. No Israel has also rejected deals at least 5 times. You only believe what the establishment tells you,
@@d333my I find it amazing that despite having access to the internet and history books, they unquestioningly believe their official state narrative.
I can understand in Russia or China where people are shaped by propaganda how this would happen but here it’s like there’s a wilful suspension of critical thinking.
Yes, Israel has rejected “peace deals”, however, Israel has the upper hand in the current situation so it can seek the best deal for her. In contrast, the Palestinians have nothing at this time, with no real leverage. I was taught that it’s better one bird in your hand than two in the tree. Therefore, the fact they rejected so many offers says everything about their real intentions, which is the destruction of Israel.
@@DarthPlaguis22 If by upper hand, you mean vastly bigger military willing to commit mass killing and war crimes, then yes.
@@mbvbac The first half of your sentence is correct, the second is pro Palestinian propaganda. I also meant the Israel is a successful modern state, whereas the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians decided to play victim and therefore keep on losing their cards.
@@DarthPlaguis22 Clearly you cannot distinguish between propaganda and evidence-based legal cases by the highest courts in the world.
Also there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of victimhood. Counting the actual victims will help with this.
Finally, if you intentionally throttle the economy of a state - as Israel has done to Palestine - the economy does not thrive. Plus, free land and billions in free US funding helps with Israel’s “success”.
“They lost the war” no you invaded a country that has no military, you were with the British who taught you how to fight, you had money and weapons (because the British wanted you out, remember?). So should any country with this biggest military be able to invade and take over any piece of land they want? Isn’t there international laws about this?
“They lost the war” ah yes, quintessentially jewish wisdom: Might makes right. /s
The British did not want the Jews out of Britain. It was about European countries passing anti Jewush legislation !
no we did not. I am a jew. My family has lived in Israel for 10 generations, you entitled liberal antisemite peace of shiiitttt
Doea the palestenians refugees around the world has the right to go back to Palestine even after many generations?
What the HELL are you talking about?hahaha
6 Arab countries started a war against 1 newly founded Israel.
Arabs were given Transjordan and offered 42% of the rest of Mandatory Palestine.
They rejected the offer, and continue with a war to destroy Israel.
“We must live together as brothers or perish together as fools.” Martin Luther King, Jr
*As brothers* not in an apartheid...
@@melvillefletcher4332 Name one law in Israel that discriminates against Arabs. Just one.
@@joge2468 We’ve moved on beyond this conversation. It’s time to reimagine relations with Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. This conflict won’t be solved militarily. All sides deserve to live in peace and security with dignity. We need new ways of thinking and drudging up history won’t help. Bold leaders are needed on both sides to forge a new way forward. Eleanor Roosevelt once said “The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.” It may very well be that the older generation will need to drift away so that the youth can take the lead in charting a new way forward.
In the West Bank Palestinians have to go through a different court than Settlers… @joge24
@@squid_3 Arabs in the West Bank are not citizens of Israel. They are tried in military courts because they are currently occupied by Israel. That’s how that works.
The fact of the matter is the israelis were/is never interested in a two state solution. The creation of state of israel was a staging ground for a greater israel. Even when they claim they "offered" a state to the palestinians it is actually less than a state if you actually look at the details or the lack of details. All this while the US is fully complicit in the failure of the peace process.
The very creation of the Jewish State in 1948 was the very definition of a "2 State Solution" which the Arabs promptly rejected.
@@mohamadromzee7394
Quit with the lies.
The Jews accepted the partition plan. The Arabs didn't.
Mohamad, What the Israelis offered to the Palestinians was more than any of the Arab states offered. Egypt had Gaza from 1947 to 1967. They didn't offer to create a Palestinian state. Jordan had the west bank during the same time. Why didn't they create a Palestinian state? Israelis at least tried to compromise, but the Arab states always tell the Palestinians not to compromise with the Jews and they end up with nothing but war for them and for the Jews.
@@bluaska
It does not matter the name of the state. Did the Egyptians and Jordanians carry out ethnic cleansing , evict the locals from their homes so that people from other countries can take over their homes? Did the Egyptians and Jordanians carry out a brutal apartheid rule and oppressed the local population severely restricting their movements, humiliating them and terrorizing them? The Israelis did all these. What moral right do the Israelis have to do all these? None. When the lies don't work they say they are entitled because their ancestors were there many thousands of years ago. If you are a Palestinian you will also retaliate and demand equal rights and reject their supposed entitlement. Look as I said earlier the Israelis were/are never interested in a genuine Palestinian state, whatever "initiative" they have are all a smokescreen to grab more land.
@@bluaska
Did the Egyptians and Jordanians carry out ethnic cleansing , a brutal apartheid , severe restriction on movement, humiliating and terrorizing the Palestinians? No but the Israelis did all these. What moral right the israelis have to do all these actions? None.
The dude at 10:20 in other words:
"We came to their country and said let's live together (not really how it went but ok). They did not want to live under our rule and give their powers to us, so we colonised half the country and offered them the other half.
However, they did not accept us taking their country, so we just colonised the rest of the land"
Imagine living in a country with so many people that try to justify this and make it seem as if they're the good guys.
It’s so sad Palestinians have embraced this colonialism nonsense. It’s a complete misreading of the situation and massively contributes to their refusal to accept Israel simply isn’t going anywhere, and it’s time for Plan B. In perpetuating their annihilationist delusion, you are harming the people you claim to care about.
65% of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi. They are descendants of the 850k Jews that were ethnically cleansed from the other MENA countries. Their communities dated back to Babylonian times, hundreds of years before Islam was invented.
@@donospablo2579 It’s so sad Palestinians have embraced this colonialism nonsense. It’s a complete misreading of the situation and massively contributes to their refusal to accept Israel simply isn’t going anywhere, and it’s time for Plan B. In perpetuating their annihilationist delusion, you are harming the people you claim to care about.
65% of Jews in Israel are Mizrahi. They are descendants of the 850k Jews that were ethnically cleansed from the other MENA countries. Their communities dated back to Babylonian times, hundreds of years before Islam was invented.
Well said
Not really how it went, but ok.
Yes. This is why Israëlies always hide behind false arguments related to history bullshit. They know at the bottom of theire heart that what they do (and done) is sooo bad that they hide it (no voluntary)
"In 1947, they were offered more than half the land, and we said we're fine with that, but they said no and that's how the war started."
Imagine thinking that it's remotely reasonable to walk into someone's home and offer them 'more than half' of their own property.
Not a single one taking accountability for their contribution to the violence.
You mean Palestinians are passive victims of "evil Jews"?
what exactly is their contribution to the violence?
I see only Israeli citizens, so I guess their contribution would be existing in their Jewish state
@@esw0y Are you so insecure in your opinions that you need to take my comment out of context in order to make an argument. Clearly when I used “their”, it means the collective state Israel. None of them took accountability for ISRAEL’s aggressions and contribution to the violence.
Yeah, it's scary how they take no ownership over what is being done in their name a few miles away.
They are totally brainwashed…. You can summarise as follows…
“We Jews are noble and kind, everything we do just and right because we shit rainbows and unicorns”.
The truth is that they stole the land, they are colonisers, they don’t want to live with Palestinians, they kill children, and they continue to break international law. Let’s not even get started on the barbaric war since 7 October. There is no justification for dropping 6800 bombs in a densely populated area in 3 days.
We need to exclude Israel as we have Russia. Putin seems like a saint incomparison to these genocidal, Jewish Zionists fucks
The British did partition India and Pakistan, and a million people were killed. But it's no worse a solution than anything else I've heard.
The partition was horrible and incomplete.
India and Pakistan are natives not colonists like the Zionists
This isn't the same at all whatsoever. The equivalent would be the colonization of India by the British and then creating a new nation in the heart of India that compromises of migrating Europeans into India. Divide and conquer vs colonization.
Muslims were the only ones to push for and implementation. That was the only good thing Islam did for india
@@sammalama Most of the current-day "Palestinians" are descendants of arab immigrants from 1917 onwards. No, they are not some ancient arab families who have lived in the area of Israel for centuries, before they had to flee due to the Israeli independence war in 1948.
You also forget that similarly like hundreds of thousands of these arabs fled from Israel to the surrounding arab countries in 1948, hundreds of thousands of jews fled from various arab countries (and later also Iran) mostly to Israel. Just read up on what happened to jews in Iraq. Jews living in "West Bank" also fled from the area when Jordan illegally occupied and annexed it after 1948. How about their "right of return"?
These are things that pro-palestinians always fail to acknowledge. Jews also had their own "nakba", caused by arabs.
Oh and no, most Israeli jews today are not "from Europe", but from other arab countries. When the jews from arab countries fled to Israel right after 1948, Israel's jewish population more than doubled. So we can forget about the claims that Israeli jews are "European".
The last guys solution was interesting, but he forgets that there is a huge gas field that belongs to the Palestinians and the Palestinians also have a right to the sea
It can include some sort of deal where a palestinian government get a portion of that
LOL that is crazy. Taking of more land which is a main issue already is crazy.
The first woman is full of lies...
the first step is for israel to stop believing lies about their history and current occupation not one said end the occupation
The key for peace does not lie in Israel but in Iran.
When you've been brainwashed your entire life, what do you expect other than: _"God gave us this land. This and is ours. We will "defend" this land that is ours."_
But the same people you are defending think they have the legitimacy, to be claiming Israel for religious purposes. Why you think they have built their holy masks on top of the Jewish temples? It’s all to claim territories that once was belong to the Jews
You have it exactly the opposite of fact.
Forget about the religious part.. we are from there. We returned to our ancestral land. We are here to stay. Get used to it. You little antismtes
When you’ve been an idiot your whole life ……
I mean, it doesn't really matter who they think "gave them" the land. It is their land now. They are there. They have a thriving country for over 3 quarters of a century. This isn't theoretical futurism. Israel is real, and as a real country, of course they will defend the real country that is theirs.
@@ozzy7912 Where did they get the "thriving country" from?
(secular) Israelis' answers are so much more nuanced and intelligent than the others
It’s still colonialism, ethnics cleansing, cultural erasure, terrorism, theft and genocide.
Excellent clip Corey!!! Excellent topic in getting right to it and presenting it that way as a question, excellent cross-section of choices, keep them coming Corey.
10:11 He confused the 1937 offer with the 1947 UN partition plan.
Yeah technically, the Arabs were offered FAR more than half the land in 1936 and a bit LESS than half in 1947, but both offers were good. They rejected both.
I'd say, he was speaking off the cuff not giving a college history dissertation.
Prince Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud spoke for 3 hours about decades of diplomatic efforts (recorded in Saudi archives) to assist the Palestinians in establishing their permanent peaceful state. Each and every time, the purposely wrecked the opportunity in one way or another.
@@gg_rider So if some squatter enters your house, and offers you the basement so that he can keep the house, u would accept that? Is that what you are saying?
@@neli-b9n This analogy does not represent what happened in the decades before Israels foundation. Stop using it if you want top be taken seriously.
@@neli-b9n Most countries today have immigrants and their demographics have changed over the years and decades. As mentioned in one of the interviews, Jews in Israel haven't entered anybody's house literally or figuratively. They defended themselves against attacks. The land as a whole was never Palestinian, it was British, Ottoman, etc. etc. And before that, it was Jewish (which every Jew, Christian, or Muslim knows very well).
There was also Peel commission offer
I'm a whyt str8 male from the UK, I've been to Palestine in 2002 for 3 weeks, in Palestine everyone was very kind and respectful and i made Palestinian friends, some elderly ladies invited me to have a dinner in their house, i ate, they talked to me about Quran and prophet Muhammad, before i leave i tried to give them Money, they refused money Palestinian mslims are the best people I've met, i still have the picture i took with them, in Israel they treated me in the opposite, after that i went Morocco, they were kind snd friendly like Palestinians, in Morocco i also met my wife an Arab mslim woman, I've lived there for 5 years I learned Arabic with her and i accepted lslam we got married and i brought her and her family to live in the UK with us we have 3 kids together they're all raised mslims im glad i saw lslam in it's truest form in Palestine and im Morocco wich is kindness, respect snd friendliness. The UK stsnds with Palestine
Ok, but why didn't you stay and live there with them? I mean, where can you best feel and live Islam than in an islamic country?
I am an American, a Lebanese American to be exact. My parents left in 77. I can see how people in these videos are nervous to answer. Much of my Christian family is in Beirut and North Lebanon. I am very cautious to express my opinion. I do believe that both people deserve to exist and have a level of sovereign borders and autonomy. This is the center of the earth.. The division of east and west.. This battle and quarrelling has some biblical inclinations too.
I think people from all over should watch your videos regardless of what they think. It always surprises me the perspectives that are so diverse.
Finally, Israel does not belong in Lebanon.. Neither does Syria or Iran. Lebanon has to be Lebanon
these people have been so shielded from reality they are completely clueless.
That is why we must not hate the people. The Israeli people. Their opinion does not matter since they have no power. The fact the only talk about immorality against them and ignore the plight of the opposition shows they can't have an educated and fair debate. The only people that matter are those with power.
Even if all Israelis wants to give Palestinians some advantages, if Netanyahu doesn't want it it won't happen. They don't realise this! They think Netanyahu is on their side. For now! The day Ntyah turns against them they'll be like chickens in a boiling pot. Unable to do anything about themselves.
Yes.. its crazy ive never seen this anywhere else
What?
Watch this channels video where they ask palestinians about a 2 state solution, see how willing to peace the avrage palestinians are
@@hasuuuu ask Netanyahu about the 2 state solution he derailed from day 1. He actively promoted the rise of Hamas to to make sure Palestinians would not have unity. Divide and conquer is the plan from day 1.
Let’s be real here. With 700,000 settlers in the West Bank how can there be a 2 state solution. Unless those settlers agree to be Palestinian and live under Palestinian rule with Palestinian police officers keeping Palestinians safe from settler violence but we all know Israel would never go for that.
True...I also thought about it
Jihadis should not exist anywhere in the world
Well they disagreed to the partition plan and to any other proposal the whole world presented. They don't want a two state solution but rather a single Arab Palestinian state. Israelis built a huge wall in the West Bank to keep suicide bombers out, without that wall there would be no Israel by now.
They can just leave and land swap Also this number is much lower i just checked its almost half of what u sais. Israel also has 2m+ arabs and has no issues
Most live in around 3 of the large settlements. Israel can keep that and swap for other land.
I think this RUclipsr handpicked good response. Most israilies want to get rid of Palestinians all together. Why do you think Netanyahu is in power? He promised that the Palestinians will never get their state.
As Ben Gurion once said: “this conflict will be over when the other side wins”
So you think Judaism is going to beat Islam? Even Christianity can't do that. War is for losers. Israel will never be safe now, so Israel has lost. A few million supremacists + the hated USUKing empire won't beat a few billion anti-Isael factions.
The Russian Colonialist Ben Gurion.
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎If God exiles a people from a land
▪︎For their Transgressions,Wickedness
▪︎To reestablish State with Messiah
▪︎If reestablish State without Messiah
▪︎Righteous or Wicked?
@@squid_3 More like today’s asylum seekers escaping persecution, but call him what you want, he was right !
@@squid_3loo hes jewish you Arab colonizer
As an Israeli Russian Canadian, I disagree with many interviewees. I too, after October7th massacre, lost any hope for peace. I strongly believe that whoever planed this horror, laid a strong foundation for 50-100 years of war. But I do believe that as soon as we both sides - recognize each other’s pain, history, and identity on this land: only then there will be peace and reconciliation.
Until then - endless and useless bloodshed.
But these terrorists do not want to talk.
@@catherinethomas1276yeah i agree the IDF does not want to talk
@@yesyoucan5855 Lol they talked plenty, they offered 5 different deals, they withdrew from Gaza 1 sidedly. The Palestinians have never offered anything
@@minhnguyenphanhoang4193there is no point to answer even to such nonsensical statement from @yeswecan.. - but I appreciate ur effort ;) :*
Indeed, the resistance in Palestine accepted the July 2 deal, but guess who disrupted it and changed its content Netanyahu, and every deal, as the mediators said, is disrupted because of Netanyahu@@minhnguyenphanhoang4193
”we would never hurt them on purpose” yet there are many accounts of children in Gaza having sniper bullet holes in the head. Talk about being delusional.
How do you know it's a sniper bullet and who shot it?
@@farfiman the IDF regularly post videos of their war crimes
and? they are not the ones doing this and people have other opinions but i suggest you to look at palestinians options which they clearly want to HARM israelis on PURPOSE.
Because Al Jazeera told so😂@@farfiman
I cannot understand why they CHOOSE to ignore the Genocide in Gaza, but I expect if they talked to the average German they could explain how they choose to ignore their death camps. Very similar stories
Kobi is the only one who gets it. Palestinians and Israelis have to accept that both peoples have legitimate, national rights and that neither side is going to pack up and leave the region. That's where a solution begins. Everything else is details.
"An Israeli will never hurt a Palestinian on purpose."
Who does she thinks she's fooling?
Some will most wont.
Arabs would do the opposite.
Right, you sound so logical and enlightened, but try stepping your foot in Gaza, Yemen or even areas of Egypt or Morocco and you'll be linched because your name is Jason and not Ahmed.
i thought the same. She must be living in some kind of bubble
@@עידוגולד-ט6ט such a bullshit. I have been as a Swiss for many year member of the Swiss -- Arab Chamber of Commerce.in Geneva. It's just not true.
Because we don't recognize settlers as israelis
Hey Corey, why don't you ask Israelis what they think about the Two Nice Jewish Boys podcast??
Never heard about it
Ooooooh, nice suggestion
what is this please tell us
thank you corey, this was one of your best videos!
it’s always interesting to hear the israeli people speak their mind.
I just lost hope in any peaceful solution after hearing this. The level of arrogance is astonishing.
I was shocked by the level of entitlement those colonizers have, all of them think they can either push them out of their home or accept living in apartheid.
@@guraminiro It worked in the great USA, the native American Indians are a broken people
But the message of 7 October gave you hope? 🙄
@@glennlgg6871 The 34 Palestinian Children killed in the West Bank in 2023 prior to the 7th Oct sent a message to all the Palestinian Children.
I know that was standard operating policy, the hundreds of Palestinian adults also killed in those first 9 months make no difference either to you.
@thomasjosullivan9179 The killing has been going on (on both sides) since decades before Israel became independent. Basically, it comes down to Arab/Muslim rejection of a Jewish state in their historical homeland.
The wars will continue until either such a state is fully accepted or either/both parties have been destroyed.
Up to you what you think is the best solution. But first, educate yourself on the complexities of the history and the causes of the conflict. And yes, Europe and Russia are the prime cause of it.
Let's talk for a moment about the last guy, I don't know if Jordan should transfer 50% of their land to them, but there is no more logical solution than turning parts of Jordan into Palestinians.
Technically, Jordan was part of the British mandate just like Israel, before the existence of the state of Jordan there was no difference between the Arabs there and the Arabs here, and the Palestinians have problems with the existence of the Jews and Israel but they have no problems with Jordan, so why not?
Why were the Jordanian Arabs able to receive a huge area from the British mandate but the Jews were not allowed?
@user-ub8gxfr2r Jews took it through bloodshed. It wasn't a case of being allowed or not. And who the hell are the British to pussyfoot all over and destroy nations. Europe, since discovering the sea, have destroyed peace and harmony. You have more land than the indigenous people and your country bombs at every opportunity. They're not leaving and of course now that your herds have multiplied, you can't leave. The conflict on the flip side will again cause bloodshed. No one wants that. The world is sick of the atrocities on that land on both sides. Only if the governments were honest to their people and listened and worked in the interest of the public. The fact is, they don't. And that's where it needs to start from.
There was no israel. British mandate of palestine and transjordan
It's much easier to reject a population that's different to you than one that is practically identical. The conflict is in my opinion hardly one over land, but rather a cultural and religious one - Arabs are convinced Jews do not belong in the land for the simple fact that they are Jews and not Arabs/Muslims.
@user-ub8gx8fr2r
_"Palestinians have problems with the existence of the Jews and Israel but they have no problems with Jordan, so why not?"_
Great question. Isn't it the same issue? What about Jordan expanding to include say 70% of the the West Bank. Palestinian leaders have supported converting the west bank to Jordan (when they were saying that there was really no difference between Palestinians and Arabs in the area).
Jews in the area of WB can of course stay but they would be under the Jordanian government, or they could move to the 30% that was Israel's.
What about Egypt expanding to take control of Gaza? Arafat was Egyptian so for same reason that should be OK.
Both sides will have to accept that they will have to divide this pie somehow. Best solution for now is incorporation of WB and Gaz into the neighbouring Arab states. Israel has peace agreements already with them.
If the relations continue to improve, moving from country to country could be like moving between Mexica/Canada/U.S.
@@muhammed-yusuf959 so what?
Transjordan and Mandatory Palestine were
names of territories and not of countries.
Only in 1946 did the Transjordan become a state and two years later Israel became a state.
"Palestine" was never a state.
Certainly not an independent country.
So where am I wrong?
P.S. The name "Transjordan" also originates from the Torah.
for general knowledge.
the lady saying: they want our country ,wel newsflash you want their country
It's none of them's country. They kicked and massacred the original black people of the region and subjected them tobslavery.
Never have I witnessed people with less self-reflection in all my days. A total lack of empathy, absolute entitlement, an inability to consider other perspectives. It's actually frightening.
From the Palestinian side yes
@@firstroundboxing7649 You must be imagining a different video than the one I’m actually commenting on.
@@firstroundboxing7649keep dreaming Zionist
They live there and say what they say exactly because they know the perspective of the palestinians.
@@jesan733 So easy to justify dehumanisation and war crimes.
The solution is very simple. Give the Palestinians their land that they are native to and stop treating them like they're subhuman. You can't continue to treat them like they're subhuman and expect them to sit there and take it. They are a very proud people and will fight to the death as we've seen. Cutting off the electricity, water, trade and then treating them like absolute trash will continue this conflict. If Israelis want to live in peace, then you act like it
If tge native people should own this land so the jews owned this land way way before the identity of palestinians as a nation was even invented in 1964 by yasser arafat...learn some hiszor, before you comment, you look ridicoulus
@@fantasyEXX thank you I love this so humane. They freaking count the calories that they allow for the Palestinians it’s disgusting and now they’re just starving them and murdering them out right
Jews are also native to the land. Idiot.
@@wendywhite4929Count calories 🤦They are selling food in markets , what is supposed to be free in Gaza .
@@nataliaustinovich8802 just because there is food for sale doesn’t mean it is a reasonable prices at all there has been aid trucks prevented from getting in and the people preventing them? Jewish settlers
I see the same thing month after month, Israelis saying Palestinians must accept 'their' agreements etc. Israelis have only themselves in their minds, rarely do they show genuine thought and consideration for the proveable FACTS of this situation. Rarely do they show any genuine understanding or exact knowledge of the facts, just their side. Rarely do they show genuine interest in a fair and just solution for BOTH the Israelis AND the Palestinians. Rarely do they demonstrate genuine responsibility of what Israel has done over MANY decades. They really, truly suffer from MANY illusions, the biggest being that they are innocent and are the 'best' and 'special' people!!!!!!!
Month after month Palestinians say Israel must be dismantled and the Jews must leave. How inconsiderate of the Jews to disagree.
Muh both sides muh both sides
To all who says "Israel is colony" can you explain whos colony they are?
The US based in the Middle East.
@@donospablo2579 But US had embargo on Israel up to 1973...
@@alextheok8936 Arab states had a cessation of oil shipments to the US due to the US helping Israel in the war, what embargo are you talking about?
All American presidents, especially Truman (his period is of course important), had Pro-Jewish-state policies.
@@donospablo2579 Just do a quick search in google and you'll see, it doesnt take to much effort.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations
Just do a quick search in google and you see , it doesn't take much effort.@@donospablo2579
This video is so depressing to watch as an Israeli. We have to change.
it is good to know there are some like you that see the truth
We are not few and many more will come with the right international pressure on us and gruntess for our safety@rajsra3842
can you interview people from mixed groups? palestinian&jewish mixed groups were people try to work together, like the "combatants for peace"
A very intelligent woman mentioned that it is all about to conquer a land.
' We conquered the land, and Palestinians will have to fight for it to reconquer the land; there for no peace is in the horizon' she said.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER!
tHE WOMAN WAS SPEAKING IN ONE OF YOUR VIDEOS.
For 76 years Israel steals our homes and lands, and despite holding the keys, deeds and title to those properties, we are unable to reclaim them. Our documentation proves ownership, yet settlers continue to steal our property for over 76 years, we try to claim it and build on it but they continue to deny and refuse to return it. This situation raises serious questions: Is this not theft? Where are our rights?
In many areas, we do not feel safe; we face ongoing threats and discrimination from Israeli individuals. Our treatment is unjust, and we are denied the right to vote, despite being in an Arab-majority community in some areas. The reality is that we are living under an apartheid system, characterized by an identification system that segregates us.
We are denied the right to identify as Palestinians; instead, we are labeled as Arabs. Many of us live in fear, facing constant threats and discrimination from Israeli individuals. We are not treated justly; we are denied the opportunity to vote for our own mayor in a village where the majority is Arab. The reality is that we experience apartheid, as evidenced by the identification system that separates us. We are denied the right to identify as Palestinians and are instead labeled as Arabs. We feel compelled to hide our identity and beliefs, adapting to a culture to avoid mistreatment.
Our rights and dignity are disregarded. When an Israeli commits a crime against an Arab, the cases are often dismissed. We are prohibited from purchasing land or constructing homes without approval from Israeli authorities, and even when the land is rightfully ours, permission is frequently denied.
We demand our rights. Our lands and homes have been taken, and we are expected to accept this injustice. We live with walls, checkpoints, and constant surveillance. The Israeli government neglects areas with an Arab populated areas with the occupied territories, refusing to provide necessary funding and support, despite our tax contributions. This neglect is evident in the condition of our villages, schools, and parks.
We are often excluded from certain universities and job opportunities. It is disheartening to see the pretense of dignity and respect as long as we are compelled to submit and surrender to oppression.
You started a war. You lost. And you’re still crying about not being permitted to “return”? Do you see the descendants of the 850k PEACEFUL Jews who were expelled from other MENA countries still claiming refugee status or claiming a right of return? Are you aware of the hundreds of thousands of ethnic Poles, Germans, and Ukrainians who were forcibly transferred after WWII due to border changes? All these other people have managed to move on.
Of course you don’t get to vote in Israeli elections. You’re NOT ISRAELI. Take it up with Hamas or the PA. Your parks?? They are funded by municipality taxes. Do you really not know this? Apartheid? Name one Israeli law that discriminates against you. Are you claiming Arab Israelis can’t purchase property in “Jewish neighborhoods”? Bullshit. You want Palestinian citizenship? Go live in Gaza or the WB. Nobody is stopping you.
Thats a load of BS. Palestinians get extra funding options for University just to start with.
@@Loosybaboosy oh, are you Palestinain? Where do you get your facts, from Israel the occupation!
@@Noorzuni-n1k You started a war. You lost. And you’re still crying about not being permitted to “return”? Do you see the descendants of the 850k PEACEFUL Jews who were expelled from other MENA countries still claiming refugee status or claiming a right of return? Are you aware of the hundreds of thousands of ethnic Poles, Germans, and Ukrainians who were forcibly transferred after WWII due to border changes? All these other people have managed to move on.
Of course you don’t get to vote in Israeli elections if you’re NOT ISRAELI. Take it up with Hamas or the PA. Your parks?? They are funded by municipality taxes. Do you really not know this? Apartheid? Name one Israeli law that discriminates against you.
Are you claiming Arab Israelis can’t purchase property in “Jewish neighborhoods”? BS. You want Palestinian citizenship? Go live in Gaza or the WB. Nobody is stopping you.
Of course Israel has a wall at its border. You can thank the second intifada for that. And Gazans are perfectly capable of leaving through Egypt.
The “control” over Gaza’s air, land, and sea is called a “blockade,” and was imposed INSTEAD of bombing Gaza in return for the 700 rockets fired at Israel between the withdrawal in 2005 and June 2006.
For G-d’s sake, take some responsibility for your actions instead of endlessly claiming victimhood. It’s pathetic.
Well Said.
First woman: An Israeli will never come and hurt a Palestinian.
What about the pre-1948 Hagana terrorist massacres committed against the Palestinians?! Tantura? Deir-Yassin?!
And the on-going massacres up until Oct 6, 2023 and beyond?! These people are disconnected!
First lady talks like a white south African in the eighties
And now, South Africa is a shithole country where people don't even have water to drink. Lol. What a nice scenario.
Ya her accent😅
Yes, the world can see it but they cannot. Pure evil apartheid
These Israelis are delusional because of their ignorance of history.
The Palestinians don't want peace, they want the entire country, what's factually wrong about that exactly?
The Jews believe it their land and the Palestinians believe it is theirs. The reality is might makes right.
The reality is that both sides are not as powerful as they think they are, and perhaps one day we'll choose to settle rather than continue killing and dying.
I like the last guy's idea. Give the Palestinians the West Bank. Move the Israeli settlers out and move everyone from Gaza to the West Bank. Jordan would not be thrilled with his idea of giving them part of Jordan though. Not good having two Palestinian states separated by Israel.
"an Israeli will never harm a Palestinian with purpose" - is this a bad joke ???!
I'm a Swede and have no dog in the race. But it seems to me that the last commenter is onto something. I also think we have a few problems in the post-WW2 international order in that it forbids certain solutions, like forcibly moving people, even when it seems like the only remaining option on the table. Also, that the international community is condoning multi-generational refugee status for palestinians alone is problematic. Generations are wasted in grievances, resistance and dreams of returning to ancestral lands that are Israel. Everyone would be much better off if the Palestinians moved to Jordan and built a new life there without looking back.
Wow, Palestinians moving to Jordan is the solutions. And no looking back. Jesus...
@@AmineOuldKaci yes, it seems like the best solution. It has already worked for millions. It's a fairly popular idea, but Jordan's king said just a few days in a UN speech that he wouldn't allow it. Perhaps the rest of the Arab world could join in and take a few in each country. The Palestinians in West Bank and Gaza are roughly 1% of the population of the Arab world.
@@jesan733 Yes, that is the best solution however refugees palestinians who already live in Jordan, Lebanon and other arab countries in the region are do not have equal rights. Their kids are not allowed to get education , go school, are not allowed to have citizenship. Saudi arabia took hundreds and thousands of Syrian refugees, and none of them are allowed to go to school or get citizenship same. So this problem is worl community needs to work with Arab countries to acccept them and treat them as equals
@@David-u2b5p I agree, except that my understanding is that most palestinians in Jordan nowadays are naturalized citizens, so they do have equal rights.
Bizarre solution , you really believe it's easier to move them for other countrie like a trash... First of all , I'm shure Jordanians don't want that and it seems like a transfer a problem to another country... I don't know if Sweden wants them but I simply don't know any country that wants to receive such amount of foreigner people even a big country like mine, Brazil. The truth is Palestinians are refugees in their own country and it's is international shame and currently there are millions living as refugees in neighbors countries like Libanon, Egypt , Jordan, etc
The first interviewee has seen Israel occupy and invade Palestine for over 6 decades and still thinks it’s the Palestinians that are causing the conflict
It's a 23-state solution: 22 Arab countries and 1 Jewish country. If the Arab countries don't allow Jews to live in their countries, then Israel should act in the same fashion toward its Arab residents.
So Good luck until the USA will be not able to help Isreal anymore
@@ahmetdagdelen6180 The USA had an embargo on arms shipments to Israel from 1948 to 1970's, and you still lost every single war you had started. In fact, when Israel became America's ally, Israel started having less and less impressive wins.
@@timurtruman זה האמת
Israel highlights another huge problem. It's a democracy. The theocrats and dictators don't want democracy to spread.
Everyone in the mideast sees it's progress , prosperity and successes.
If democracy spreads, Islam gets wiped out.
@@timurtruman :))) Impressive wins ? Losing every war ? Which wars were you involved in? Which ones are impressive? 6 days wars? A tank play against a bunch of Arabs who gained freedom from Brits who never had a real army? If the USA is a useless ally please cut your relations with America. If Usa does not rule the Middle Eastern countries you will not survive just 1 second. Being an ally ıs not just giving arms
If you were a blessing to the gentiles when you had your temple, then why did they burn it down?
The reason given in the Tanakh is that the people stopped keeping the laws, started worshipping other Gods, and if you go back to when the Torah was given God warned that if this happened they'd be slaves once again and a bunch of other harsh punishments would ensue, so he allowed or caused the Assyrians to destroy the northern kingdom and the babylonians to do the same to the southern kingdom where the temple was.
Do you want a solution to the conflict? Just look at the more tolerable side. Which of the two has more religious freedom? Human rights? More immigrants? Women's rights? Sexual Freedom? After evaluating where the above requirements are present, think with me: Why would I live in a place where the basics for my existence don't exist? It is so easy to know who is right, who is defending themselves against such a hostile and deadly region!
Let me remind you of the Israeli apartheid Law which says that ONLY Jews have the right of self determination. What sort of law is that? Yes, it's a Zionist law, and that is the top and bottom of all the problems.
TLDR: “They just need to accept that we stole their land and go away. Then we will have peace.”
Thank you. That basically summarises all the interviews. They just need to accept that we stole their land, then we will have peace.
"Peace and love"... delivered by the jackboot
Anybody who thinks that israelis and Palestinians can live together is OUT OF THEIR MIND . Israelis and Palestinians are extremely different in identity, way life, politics, religion ext. There is NO justification in forcing people to live together in such a small plot of land.
only problem is that it's a situation that already exists- living two nations in such a small piece of land, regardless of borders and land arguments- practically, it's a reality that already exists....
It’s already the situation though. The UN and Europe didn’t want Jews in their lands so they gave them israel as a way to get rid of them. Only problem was that the land they chose to be israel already had people living there. You can’t just steal land and expect the Palestinians to be fine with it.
There are many Palestinians with Israeli citizenship that live and work together with Jews on a daily basis. This could have been the norm if it weren't for religious extremism and the violence it causes. In the past the religious extremism was only on the Palestinian side but it has infected some of the Jews as well. Now they are in the government and they are destroying Israel from within to the delight of Hamas. That is why Hamas is not surrendering and is not compromising in the hostage negotiations. They see that their violence is making the Jews self destructive and Hamas has patience. they will wait a 100 years in order to defeat the Jews. They are willing to sacrifice their people and their children for that end. The mistake of the West was letting these extremists hold on to power for such a long time. The only way for peace is de radicalization. Sadly what we are seeing is the opposite.
@@ThumbDr only that it's not Palestinian land. It was jewish land before it was Palestinian. Jews lived there for thousands of years.
Every Palestinian city was once jewish for more than a millenia.
@@ThumbDr That's an incredibly partial way of looking at history...
No conflict on earth is as simple as you just presented it...
There were Jews living in the region for centuries, AND there were Jews who bought land from Arabs from the end of the 19th century, and did not "steal" it.
It was actually the Arab countries who started making laws that if an Arab sold land to a Jew he couldn't move to an Arab country (Egypt for example)...
Bro all you had to do was ask one follow up… ‘what about the settlers?’
They are all settlers or children of settlers.
@@OlivwrSollbi that's false, you actually believe there was ever a time where there was 0 Jewish activicity in the land ?
Tha last guy had the most realistic solution in a solution problem
Not really - he was trying to give a solution to the fact that a future Palestinian state would be split in two (Gaza and the West Bank). While that is an issue, it's far from the biggest challenge that need to be addressed to reach a two state solution. He didn't even mention the really big challenges like Jerusalem, the right of return and the willingness of both sides to give up the idea of having the whole of the land.
The biggest problems is that essential parties will never accept this solution. 1. Settlers are generally uneducated sectarians that will just continue to do what they've been doing for decades driven by an enormous devotion to how they believe the Torah should be interpreted. 2. Jordan will not accept Hamas or basically anything that has a positive relation with Iran. 3. Hamas will not give up on Gaza. 4. Many Palestinians living in the West Bank trust Gaza just as little as they thrust Israel.
This whole plan would only be "kind of" possible if the US, UAE, Qatar, Jordan ánd Iran arrange it together and some amount of force is used against the settlers and hamas. And then still, it would only be possible if Jerusalem was given up on by the Palestinians.
Sure, claiming half of Jordan and confiscating Gaza, thus creating a landlocked Palestine, preventing them from creating a harbour. And leaving the settlements on the westbank.
What about exchanging the settlement areas, land4land, thus connecting Gaza with the westbank? Or no Gaza because most is flattened out, and move Palestina on the seaside? Then Israel can have its precious Judea and Samaria
"Just transfer them somewhere else". Classic colonial-settler logic since our old boy Hertzel no ? 😂
As an outsider i can say this:
For now stopping the war is of most importance, for this generation it's to late for solution, to much blood is spelt. But maybe there is hope for new generations through education (collective), forget what was before 1948 or 2000 year ago that's the main reason of your endless cycle of wars. Look what is now and with whom you share the street, let the tiny things that you have in common grow into a strong bound, coexistence is your destiny. No one will find you a solution unless you don't, no matter how hard it seems.
I really hope and wish you people find peace.
How can they forget if hamas and PLO keep teach them only to hate
@@huntercucumber3071and israelis are not brainwashed to hate? 😂😂😂
As an outsider - you have no idea what you are talking about. This is an existential crisis for Israel. The rest of the world would like for everything to just stop - it’s easier geopolitically for Israel to just keep taking it. Well Israel has learned and learned too late that ceasefires and prisoner exchanges only guarantee future terror for Israel and Israeli citizens. If everyone wants Israel to stand down - there is a path to that -Hamas full & complete surrender & return of all our hostages. The war was started by Hamas in the most brutal display of inhumanity and continues with Hamas using own people as cannon fodder. Pressure Hamas for concessions for ceasefire not Israel.
The mindset you are describing is exactly what we (Israel) tried to form with them for the past decades. They are not interested. They just want the public support and then do whatever the fuck they like, which will be many more like 7.10.
@@marilepine1 The only difference is the arabs themselves brainwashed us from their countless terror attacks. Go look up the definition of terrorist. It's to literally brainwash with fear. Would you love someone that wants to make your whole life of fear and blood? I bet you wouldn't and yet this is what they always did. Even before the 1900's when we were 5000 Jewish living in the land while the rest were moving from country to country abroad. They still abused the 5,000 minority.
2 states is still the solution. Both have justifiable claims to the region. Problem now is neither side wants it anymore.
Zionists do not have a justifiable claim to any land whatsoever!
nobody said give them full human rights
If anyone in Gaza is not being given full human rights, do you think it's Hamas or Israel fault?
What Arab country has full human rights, tell me? Even if there were no Jews on the land they would oppress themselves in the name of religion
Or any human rights.
@@esw0y Of course is Israel who are occupying the territory since 68. Same in West Bank. Don't you know about the struggles for a Palestinian State? Don't you know about apartheid?
@@agustinaolivera736 The entitlement you present as if you know what you are talking about is astonishing. I live in Israel. I hold first and second degrees in international relations and middle eastern studies. I hate my government, but at the same time - there is a solid base for our claim on Israel: My family has lived in Israel for 10 generations! The conflict was always a religous conflict, not a nationalist one. There is no aparthide on Israel. All muslims have equal rights in Israel, you can find arabs in the legislative body, in the government (not right now but the previous one), in IDF army, in joint jewish and arab schools, in our universities etc. There are mixed neighborhoods and no jew can reject a muslim from purchasing in a jewish neighborhood. So go F youself. The jewish people just stopped being nice. The Palestinians tried to murder us and we will bite them in the ....and you too you antisemite if you dare show your face here
Great content.
Nothing more depressing than this conflict. There is absolutely no solution but it is clear proof that a belief in an all powerful being (god/allah) does not stop people from killing eachother 😢
Finally someone is asking Israelis what solution to the conflict is acceptable to them. I'm an Israeli and have been proposing a South Tyrol model solution, so far on deaf ears. Maybe someone will listen to reason before many more innocents are taken out on both sides.
@user-jt8vj1vm6y After WW1, the Allies separated S.Tyrol from Austria, which had been a threat to Italy, and awarded it to Italy, which annexed it.
The German-speaking S. Tyrolers were granted autonomy with full civil right to language and Italy sent in troops to safeguard the peace.
Things have turned out well. S.Tyrol is called Alto Adige in Italian. Many S. Tyrolese are bilingual.
There is no terrorism.
The current situation in the Holyland is quite similar.
Perhaps. The Model would be implemented gradually, subject to continuing dialog and review.
Implementation will cause dissident Arabs to leave while ensuing prosperity will lower their birthrate. Peace will stem Jewish outflow and result in much inflow.
Let's keep talking.😊😊😊
@user-jt8vj1vm6y Delighted to hear your positive attitude. If we think it out properly its implemenation will lead to an expanded Abraham Accords with peace and prosperity for all concerned. Historically Jews and Arabs, true monotheists both, co-operated and prospered in Caliphate Iraq, Moorish Spain and other less known venues. Would welcome further comments and input.
We show goodwill and determination and the Almighty will see it thru.
I started to teach the History of the Middle East 25 years ago. When I started to lecture, I told my students how a two-state solution would be possible. But the first thing that needs to happen is the people in Gaza and West Bank have to create a true free democracy in their areas. Free speech, free press and most importantly a toleration and acceptance of a Jewish State. Sadly, I think that ship has sailed, that in reality it will be very hard for this to happen. I share all my lectures with anyone who wants to see them. I run through the entire history of Israel and the conflicts with the Arab neighbors. People want to come up with excuses like "the divide of land was not fair" or "Arabs had to leave" well guess what many Jews were had to flee Arab nations, dividing a land between two people is never easy, but it was the Arab nations that attacked Israel in 48. Even in 67 Israel was still not in the West Bank, only after Jordan was warned don't get involved in the 6 day war. They did, they lost the West bank. I can go on and on.
If you really taught history you forgot to study their religion. Islam isn’t some loving faith.
The west bank wasn't jordania's to loose.
Maybe you should start teaching the history of the Caanites and their conversion to Islam and how they are the natives of the land. oh wait you don't want to learn the truth. why cant one side do a DNA test? ask yourself these questions
@@Yeshua_is_King1 I used to be more hopeful. Not so much today
@@pedropinheiroaugusto3220 perhaps, but they took it in 48 and lost it in 67. Wars change land control
This is a conflict of biblical dimensions.
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎If God exiles a people from a land
▪︎For their Transgressions,Wickedness
▪︎To reestablish State with Messiah
▪︎If reestablish State without Messiah
▪︎Worshipping - God or Satan?
Na its only one sides the Jews get the f over it
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Pretty much what the ultra orthodox Jews believe. They are vehemently against a state of Israel for the Jews without the return of their Messiah first. I am not Jewish or Arab, nor am I religious, so I don't know how this region will ever have peace. It's an absolute mess and many different angles it can be viewed in.
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings neither, Israel is like 70 percent non religious
Mind Begs the Question:
▪︎If Nazis escaped
▪︎Embed in another Nation,Religion
▪︎Rename their Political Movement
▪︎Can't be recognized
▪︎Can be recognized by Matching Policies
▪︎Superior Race ideology,Dehumanization,Starvation,Concentration Camps,Gassing (White Phosphorus),Pogroms,Ethnic Cleansing,etc?
the guy talking about partitioning is actually really smart i like his ideas seems like he genuinely cares about the palistinians but isrealistic on both sides
It’s now confirmed what the world has known all along. Just ask the “Two nice Jewish boys” podcast.
What has the world known ?
@@Apocolhe said to watch the podcast…
Khazar criminal
@@nathanj109 thanks ringworm now go back and crawl in your hole you came out of
@@hanyabed9367 what has the world known coward spell it out
“His Majesty’s government has been faced with an irreconcilable conflict. for the Jews, the essential point of principle is the creation of a sovereign Jewish state. For the Arabs, the essential point of principle is to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in any part of Palestine.” Ernest Bevin
This is the whole conflict in a few sentences
The sovereign "Jewish" state should have been on German land. Maybe take Bavaria and make it Israel.
@@HamidRehman100794 you can be sure Jews are not moving to Europe or Arab Muslims countries to be dhimmies again
@@HamidRehman100794 What if the Germans didn't want to accept that? And why should they? They lost 20% of their land to Poland and Russia in 1945.
@@rewdwarf123 Why should the Palestinians pay for the crimes of the Nazis by receiving the nazi treatment from Israelis.
@@rewdwarf123 Why should the Palestinians pay for the crimes of the Nat-sees by getting the Nat-see treatment from the Israelis
You left the most charismatic interviewer for the end, didnt you ?!
11:10 this was the only guy that at least tried to find a true solution by looking both sides the other Israelis just showed they are not to talk with
Did they have someone to talk with when they were attacked on october 7? I dont think so. so the way they think is legitimate. Period.
@livnatperez9259 so everything after October 7th is justified by October 7th buy October 7th can't be justified by 7 decades worth of rape, murder , theft and apartheid. Ok, we see you , another deluded , brainwashed zionist fool
I love how for most Western people Oct. 7 was the beginning of the conflict lmaoooo
@@livnatperez9259 bro what about before this conflict it is going on for more then 75 years and the only thing you to say is oct 7th 😂😂 grow up man and open you’re eyes
"An Israeli will never hurt a Palestinian on purpose" 63 years old, but no grasp of reality or wisdom.
The solution is to remove resentment, hate, memory, and greed from the human heart. If I had that power, I’d consider using it at this point. But some would say that removes what being human is.
The word "Palestine" at all times in the history meant only one thing: no Jewish control of their Holy Land. It has never referred to an ethnic group or a nation. The word invented by the Romans and picked by KGB-affiliated Arab socialists in the 60's. Given this fact, any talks of "peace with Palestinians" means one thing: surrender of the Jews.
Palace-Stein: 1.) An elaborately decorated vessel for the consumption of beer by Royalty, and their guests. 2.) A formal vessel fit for a prince or a king.
"Given this fact.." Uh oh..
You need to take off that tinfoil hat and return to reality. The existence of a people doesn't spontaneous generate from a name. Names are invented for preexisting things. To begin with, the Kingdom of Israel had never controlled the area known as Gaza. That was under the Philistines (Palestine). This is what happens when you let vague notions of a religious faith delude you from actual facts.
@@jonathanchang1574 Really? And what kind of ideology gave right to China to control Tibet? Maybe you should "free" that region from oppression first?
@@jonathanchang1574 Deal! All who identify themselves as Palestinians should move to Gaza and other Arabs need to move back to Arabian Peninsula, before they left there to build their global caliphate.
his solution is quite good but still, they will cry to iran to bring more weapons. now we just moved the war to an other zone
it's much easier to fight a war on one clear front with a border, than trying to fight in 4-5 fronts all in the same time. I mean if you can't understand something so simple than there really is no hope for you. Plus, when did Israel "cry" about the intentions of its enemies? the crying ones are the palestinains, always starting aggrssion, always losing and most certainly always playing the victim card.
@@yonishara אין לי כוח למחיקות של תגובות פה תגיד לי אם אתה יכול לקרוא מה שכתבתי
@@atrixiousscramasax6686 לא יכול לקרוא
Kobi of Tel aviv was the best i've heard, the plan needs some ironing out but sounds better than a lot of response's, i would like to hear more of him or others with his view point. sensible ,humble & level headed. a Mans MAN answering a hot topic question straight forward, no emotional responses as much as these events 100& affect him. much respect ✊
I am not Israeli but my solution would be a 3 state solution, because the Palestinians especially in Gaza are so traumatized that they cannot be forced to live among Israelis. They should get the Westbank. Palestinians that are ok with living among Israelis can move to Israel and everybody living there should get the same rights. Gaza is unlivable and totally destroyed at the moment and will become a prison state. All those Israelis responsible for crimes against humanity like Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Netanjahu, violent settlers, right wing extremist will be send there to rebuild Gaza with their own hands. There will be a live view of their doing 24/7 online for everybody to see. Non violent settlers can also move to Israel or leave, but all Israelis have to be reeducated and Israel should be renamed. If Israelis commit a hate crime against Palestinians, they will be send to Gaza to rebuild as well. How long depends on the severity of their crime and they should be separated frim the war criminals, that will serve their time in Gaza as long as they live. After a few years the 2 states can vote if they want to become 1 state and if Gaza is rebuild it will become part of that 1 state or former Israel if the Palestinians decide they don't want a 1 state solution
I live in Mexico and I am not 100% educated on this conflict, which I understand goes back for several decades. Mexico and Israel hold excellent Diplomatic relations. In fact, Israel was amongst the countries who sent a Brigade to rescue civilians after Mexico City's earthquake in 2017. As an attempt to educate myself, I would appreciate if IDF or an informed party, could fill me in on the following questions:
1) On pro-Palestinian posts, I have read the term "Occupation" and "Settlers" a lot. Is there such a thing as "Occupation"? Is there in present day, any occupation from Israel on Palestinian territory? Are there any Israeli Settlers building homes and neighborhoods on Palestinian soil? If so, how would THAT, not fuel the RESENTMENT on Palestinians? How could imposing my Settlements on my neighbor's territory, help reach a peaceful relationship with such neighbor?
Yes, there is an occupation and there are settlements, however, many pro-Palestine persons use the term incorrectly or too broadly.
Legally speaking, Israel holds the West Bank under military occupation since June 1967 when it took the territory from Jordan in the 67 war (Gaza was taken from Egypt but because Israel has not had day-to-day administrative control in Gaza since pulling out troops and settlers in 2005, its status is more complicated). The UN Security Council passed resolution 242 stating that Israel would give back territories conquered in 1967 in return for having its existence and territorial integrity accepted (up till that time, the Arabs refused to recognize Israel’s right to even exist, and were sworn to its destruction). In 1993, Israel and the PLO as representatives of the Palestinian People signed the Oslo Accords which divided the West Bank into 3 zones - one under full Israeli control, one under Israeli security control but with Palestinian civil control, and one with full (civil and security) Palestinian Authority control.
However, under international law, as a final peace deal has not been reached and Israel has not annexed the territories, its status remains as occupied.
As for settlements, for the most part, I don’t believe Israel directly builds them on privately owned Palestinian land, and sometimes, Israeli courts have ordered settlement outposts to be taken down as they were essentially stolen. In most instances however, Israel may take land for security purposes (the land owners may be compensated) but then settlers move in, or public/state lands are used for settlements. Of course settlements fuel resentment among the Palestinians. One of the purposes of the settlements is to make the creation of a viable Palestinian State difficult if not impossible. They are a thorn in the Palestinians’ side. And almost all legal scholars agree they are a violation of international law.
But here is the flip side - many pro-Palestinians, and Palestinians themselves, when they refer to “occupation” do not mean the 1967 territories - they mean the entirety of Israel. And when they say “settlements”, they mean any town, village or city in Israel. Palestinians themselves, or their leaders, have, in the past, rejected offers that would have given them a state and self-determination, and would have spared them of the growth we’ve seen in settlements over the past 17 years.
The West Bank especially is strategically important - remember that Israel is a small country - the vast majority of the population live within 16km of the West Bank. The WB is also highlands (tierras altas), whereas much of the Israeli population live within a coastal plain (llanuras costeras). This means that if a Palestinian State is armed and hostile, most Israelis are at risk and the country cannot be properly defended. Israel did end its occupation of south Lebanon 24 years ago, but it didn’t bring peace - it worsened Israel’s security situation. Israel did withdraw from Gaza nearly 20 years ago, and got rid of the settlements, but you know how that story turned out. Therefore, Israelis feel, with some justification, that if Palestinians and their supporters view all of Israel as occupied territory, it is better to keep them under military control, even though it obviously embitters the Palestinians’ lives.
Israel’s view to Palestine is very contradictory and hypocritical. They - kinda - recognize Palestine authority, but only if it’s their own interest. They are not bothered to provide water, energy or infrastructure; because these lands are Palestine lands. But when Palestine authorities try to invest on their land, Israel decides that it’s actually Israeli land and they do their best to block. There is no airport in Palestine. They can’t build water wells or they can not build even roads between the villages. But Israel is totally free to build a settlement within Palestinian land and no one stops him. So the summary is: It’s all our land if there is a profit, and its their land if there is a responsibility 😂
I'm South African and jews here r peaceful including muslims
@@benjaminr6153there is an occupation cause The Israelis government decided for 20 years to take over palestians land in West Bank to autorise construction of Settlements with the supervision of the Army for the new Jewish people coming to do their exodus. This new settlers have created their own militia under supervision of 2 or 3 army guards. So is it an occupation, you are free to think but when Government protected settlers by blocking water for them and destroying Palestinians agriculture, if you add the wall on all West Bank so what do you call ? Even the ICJ confirmed all those factors. There is an occupation segregation and limitation of Palestinians to build their houses 😢
Exactly this is why Netanyahu is a war criminal and a charlatan. If we got rid of him, we could actually make a deal to have 2 states within a state or even a united Palestine/Israel
That last guy has a good idea, only problem is that Judea is the cradle of Judaism and the Jews will never agree to leave it
No gaza has lotsof gas reserves...why shoild they swap gaza for the west bank?? What kind of a good idea is that?
@@dcgallin bingo GAZA has massive natural gas offshore.. imperialists always want 'resources'
Early Zionists considered Argentina and Uganda. Those can be cradles as well.
😂😂😂 do you hear yourself? you expecting Jews to exit Judea😂😂😂
Last guy was an idiot
You asking israelis about palesteenians while they are in process of annihilation of Gaza, and the West Bank already disappeared from the Israeeli maps as well.
We got hurt so much on October 7 so we have no trust anymore. The people who came to work in our homes gathered information about us and came to murder us. Would you behave differently?
Homes you’ve stolen to begin with.
@@nocapstreet8291 Like how Arabs stole all of North Africa, the middle east and Southern Europe?
@@travelgirll I can understand why it would be very painful of course but I think many people would behave differently.
The level of vengeance in response has been absolutely disproportionate, in the scale of human life alone apart from the physical destruction.
After a full year, you would think the desire for revenge would subside but no.
Omg u were hurt ? And of course the 75 years of occupation and atrocities that you were doing next door shouldnt have ANY impact. Like HOW dare they retaliate. Afterall all israel was doing was stealing looting their lands, kidnapping children and calling them prisoners and killing children and activists. This shouldnt have made any resistance forces react right. The amount of ignorance and evilness israelis have is just baffling.
The story started in 1948, when you stole a land and kept invading more and more territory, do you remember ? So you can shove October 7 up your a**
Zionists love twisting and ignoring history so much
People talking about Israeli “arrogance” and “lack of accountability” are forgetting one simple fact: none of it matters.
Israel is winning. Palestine will either have to choose peace or continue to lose.
That guy talking about "No fear" needs to be reminded that the Jews who were slaughtered had no fear, they'd thought they were friends with the local Arabs for many years. Then the Arabs who they thought were friends came in and slaughtered them and took many hostage.
It's always a western islamphobe who spreads disinformation like it's nothing. Show the people credible sources that friends betrayed each other. I know it's not conceivable in your puny western mind but friendships and hospitality are valued in Islamic countries. There have been plenty of examples of Muslims protecting Jewish guests against the ones that wanted to kill them, even sacrificing their own blood to do it. And now you're here spitting in their memories? You're truly a vile creature.
what's wrong with the always victim card do you often use?
Do you think really that your side had suffered the most since a year? a decade ? or since 75 years ?
alexcarter8897. why on earth they will think they were friends with the local Arabs when they kept them in a cage for twenty years. what kind of friendship is this.
No one kept anyone in cages. Drop the hasbara fearmpngering and look at what the Stern Group, Hagana and Irgun, which were colonial terrorist militias did. Our jewish citizens in Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and the region were harassed and pushed out of their centuries long peaceful coexistence with Arabs by the Eastern European zionist who were atheists and not even religious or from the jewish faith. Good luck making sense of a colonial state’s collapse.
@@barflytom3273 in a cage? Why not in a can? Make your shit story even more hilarious zion bot.
Not one single Muslim country will accept palz in their country. They learned from the past.
just like the zionists have been expelled from every country in europe that they've decided to lay their tiny hats.
@@gerri577oh god here we go again. The Jews were expelled from Europe because the Europeans were jealous of their success. They work hard and keep their culture alive by making sure other Jews are also successful-buying from them, supporting them, etc. That was the underlying reason why the n@zis hated them-the Jews found ways to be successful and make money despite only being allowed to pursue certain occupations and live in certain places, while the Europeans were lazy and struggled to achieve the same monetary success. On the contrary, the Palestinians aren’t being let into any of the Arab countries because they started trying to overthrow governments and start revolutions when they were given refuge in places like Jordan and Lebanon. Of course, the Arab governments give other reasons for not letting the Palestinians in, just as the n@zis gave other reasons for hating the Jewish people, but the reasons given on paper do not describe the true psychological motives and biases underlying these decision. I am not Jewish nor do I have any relationship to Jews or Palestinians, but it is clear that the Jewish people work hard and help each other to build successful businesses and economies within their culture, and so many people without any surrounding culture that cares about the other members of that culture are jealous. People come up with all these crazy conspiracies about Jewish people, but at the end of the day, they work hard, ensure their children get the best education possible, and ensure that Jewish businesses thrive by supporting those Jewish businesses. They then used those skills to successfully build a nation. The rest of the world is divided and jealous because they cannot organize themselves and build their own nation and businesses as the Jewish people did. If you want to be rich and successful, get off the internet and go to work!
not a single european country will accept the ashkenazi and khazar in their country they learned that from the past (around 109 times)
@@abdrajab4700 there are plenty of Jews in Europe. Stop embarrassing yourself.
Can you see that people like you make Israel even more necessary.
@@abdrajab4700 there are plenty of Jews in Europe.
Can you see that people like you make Israel even more necessary.
My hot take. Three state solution: Israel, Gaza and West Bank (borders are those of 1948-1967). If Gaza and West Bank want to reunite (without any border change of course) they can do that in the future. All settlers go back to Israel, or if they want they can stay but they're under the new Palestinian state (as foreigners). International community helps to mantain peace and to control borders initially.
Golan heights back to Syria too, even though I definitely don't like Assad and its dictatorship.
Edit: I found out that there was already a solution called like that. The difference is that they propose to give Gaza to Egypt and West Bank to Jordan, while I think there should be 2 new Palestinian states.
"Hamas were created and funded by Israel"
- Israeli Brig General Yitzhak Segev
- Avner Cohen former religious affairs minister
You are brainwashed. Yes when the PLO killed Israelies everywhere Israel supported Hamas 40 years ago because they thought it would be a more moderate organization with religious peaceful values.
Irrelevant
No, Hamas was not created or directly funded by Israel. However, there is a historical context that has led to confusion around this claim. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Israel tolerated and even tacitly supported the activities of the Palestinian Islamist movement, from which Hamas later emerged. This was partly because Israel viewed Islamist groups as a counterbalance to the secular nationalist Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), which was seen as a more immediate threat.
Hamas officially formed in 1987, during the First Intifada, as an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. While Israel may have indirectly contributed to the conditions that allowed Hamas to grow by not cracking down on these Islamist groups initially, it is incorrect to say Israel created or funded Hamas.
Over time, Hamas became a militant organization opposed to Israel, and the two have been in direct conflict since.
So all the arnabs that joind hamas are actually huge israeli supporters?
Yes, the last bloke raised the same thing I have often thought, with the two separate parcels of land being illogical and needing to be unified for any practical governance and identity into the future.
I also agree that Jordan has a strong role to play, as that nation was part of the British Mandate, so it needs to step up and take some responsibility for the Palestinians too.
jordan needs to step in and oust netanyahu. How dare isreal think they can displace millions of gazan's to jordan. That's called ethnic cleansing. And it's against international laws.
Totally. People forget that those lines in the middle east were arbitrarily and politically drawn. If all of Israel's neighbors have no qualms about questioning the borders of Israel then all borders should be re-opened. The Hashemites can be re-installed in Hejaz. The Ottomans can lose a bit of land. Egypt etc. Plenty of land in the middle east.
@@guythetechguy plenty of land in europe america canada and australia also. But i wonder why colonialists still want to invade ME.
@@FuNkYTiMeS001 Arab colonialists? The US, Canada, and Australia are colonized by the Europeans. Israel is returned to its rightful historical owners. Big difference. I'm not saying no to peace. The Palestinians are. They need to stop saying colonizers and start thinking about how we get to a better place.
Israelis are like German citizens who tell their side of the story after the Third Reich won.
10:35 Wow, pretty unique opinion! 👌🏻
In my opinikn ..The solution is one state where every one have equal rights ... everyone who do not accept this solutions and do not accept that his or her neighbor can be Muslim jew or Christian. And they have the exact equal rightss... like him or hir ..has to leave this land. Arab countries ..must also apologize for the jwes they where kicked out and offer them the right to return.. if they want,
unrealistic solution. you (the people with this mentality) always think that all people in the world think exacly like you and share the same morals like you (like freedom of religion for instance). The people in the middle east don't think like you. Listen to them, listen to what they say. Palestinians do not even want jews to live/enter they proclaimed area, and you want freedom of religion?
how can people be so blind to the truth? I mean you can ever see it so clearly in Core's videos
A pipe dream…attempted in Bosnia and Cyprus, among other countries and has been an abject failure in both. In Bosnia the Serbian entity has spent years trying to become part of Serbia and interethnic conflict is rife. Cyprus is the other example of simply having a militarily forced partition. Islam requires that Jews be treated as second class citizens, it is simply incompatible with their religious beliefs to live as equals with dhimmi Jews.
@@UkraineTrain13 I like how you think Islam looks down on others as dhimmi Jews but can't seem to fathom that Jews literally think all humans in the world are here to be their slaves and serve them, and they are Gods chosen people. Literally the exact same thing.
You forget about the apology to the Palestinians for kicking them off their land (and its still happening). Also if you look at the history the Zionists were instigators in getting the Jews kicked out of the Arab states because they wanted them in Israel.
As democratic and egalitarian as the rest of the arnab is lumic world...... i suggest you travel the middle east a bit
Fanon was a psychiatrist who diagnosed colonialism as a collective narcissism. I can see what he means.
I see people saying Free Palestine but it looks like Israelis aren't free either, in Israel.
So what's the point.
I am Jewish and I'm happy that I don't live in Israel.
Lots of questionable people that forget they are first of all, humans.
And the same can be said about Palestinians, probably.
So sad.
You are confused
Better dance Kalinka... No need to take off your panties.
Spot on
Another woke troll has entered the chat. The people living in the Middle East, especially in Israel, do not share your woke-secular morals. they are religious, they don't want a secular with zero identity state. Jews want a Jewish state, for their own survival for very reasonable reason (you of all people should know better). Palestinians wants a religious Muslim state, certainly not to share it with other people and religions.
Sad or not, this is reality.
yes imagen living in region all of its people hate you to the gut although historically that wasn't the case at all. Arabs are the closest people related to the Jews and yet Zionist declared a full war on them. so they even made the Semitic nations become anti-Semite
Once upon a time thousands of years ago a god promised a guy (not from this land) that he could just take it. Correct?