The famed 'Gregories' street directories, used by Sydneysiders prior to the late 70's had dotted line outlines of all the proposed freeways in Sydney. There must be a few still floating about. Enjoyed this, thanks.
@@rolfeb its an interesting step back in time... masses of undefined land mass With ominous titles... commenwealth property Me as a 10 year old "Exploration adventure!"
Such a Sydney thing. Plan ahead, scrap plans, build over plans, ignore demand for replacement plan for decades, propose new plan, scrap new plan, propose alternate new plan, Build new plan! Realise the built plan didn't quite solve the problem.
Very nice video. Grew up in Hunters Hill and always wondered why traffic going on Burns Bay Rd from the Gladesville Bridge got to go straight whereas the relatively busier Victoria Rd was designed as an exit and this finally solves the mystery. Also nice bit of trivia with that sign that mentions the expressway, I’ve walked past it many times. Keep up the good work!
You should check out the cancelled expressway that was to go from St. Ives to Cromer through Belrose. The corridor is still there through Belrose and is crossed by Elm Ave, Pringle Ave, Forest Way and Wakehurst Parkway. It would have certainly saved time getting from the Northern Beaches to the upper North Shore.
Love your detective work on this video. Grew up in Lane Cove West in the 50’s and 60’s. The spot where the piece to camera was done beside Fig Tree Bridge was once the treatment plant for a sand mine. The sand was dredged from the adjoining Lane Cove River. Also like the story about the extra wide headstocks on the Figtree Bridge. Well done.
I suspect this expressway will eventually be built, but mostly as tunnels. There is a hint to this occurring as the Northconnex interchange with the M2 doesn’t include free flowing ramp connections to the M2 eastern side. A new motorway tunnel from the M1 at Hornsby to Macquarie Park would provide this direct connection.
Loved this video! I have lived in Gladesville for many years and was always struck by the freeway look of the interchange between Burns Bay Rd and Church St that seemed way too elaborate for purpose. After learning about the abandoned freeway I had tried myself to trace the possible route northward. Like another commenter, my theory re that mystery bridge from Lane Cove to East Ryde is that it was most likely an extension of Penrose St across to Pittwater Rd. Interestingly, that bridge is close to where a rail bridge would have been required for an abandoned 1930’s plan to extended a rail line from St Leonard’s to North Ryde via that same location in East Ryde! Keep up the great work.
Thanks for the video. Having driven over the Gladesville Bridge many times I often wondered why there was such a complex interchange there. Now I know!
I knew very little really but an old 1970s street directory hinted and revealed this plan back at that time. I lived in Hunters Hill most of my life so far so I absolutely adore this video telling me some old local history. It is really just as well that it never happened really. Part of what makes Sydney so great I think are awesome tracts of bushland all around this city especially in the north. Some of our more interesting roads I feel prove the point. Commenara Parkway. Wakehurst Parkway. Country roads within the city limits. Some of the bushwalks through these bushland areas. Parks. You name it. We all take it for granted I feel. Not many cities in the world have what we have right here in Sydney. Think about it.
@@BuildingBeautifully when motorways are built for nature land the regrowth happens and the drive is quite spectacular as well. The Princes M1 Motorway south of Wollongong to Bomaderry is a very good drive lots of great scenery and the M1 north of Coffs Harbour is a wonderful drive as well especially from Ballina to Tweed Heads. The old F3 (now M1) where they cut right through is spectacular outlooks just too busy of a road now. Good motorways provide easy access to these nature strips for exploring and soaking it in.
Please never stop. I am usually all about railways and railway history and what could've / should've been, but you've turned me on to roads like I never thought! Greeeeaaaatt video and can't wait for more
Hello, I grew up in the Lane Cove West area from the 60s. The alignment of the original proposed expressway was actually between Myee Crescent and Cope street. You can see in your satellite view at 7:33 in the video, a green strip that still exists to this day where the land was reserved. Maybe the later plan took the alignment up the LHS of the Lance Cover river valley, but the original plans had it running across Penrose street and then eventually turning left and linking with Epping road at Blenheim road.
Yes, you're correct actually. The original plans did have it go on the east side of the river. But they changed their minds about this at some unknown point, as you'll see that the description in the DMR notes "west side of the Lane Cove River". Why did they change their minds? No idea! Maybe because the westerly route was more direct and would spare more houses. Thanks for watching!
On a similar note, the grainy, B&W mocked-up photograph of a “proposed new bridge” in Lane Cove West joining the Burns Bay Road with the new expressway seems to show that bridge starting at the west end of Penrose Street. Certainly that would have made a good place for such a bridge since the river is narrow there and there is already a major intersection connecting Penrose Street with the Burns Bay Road and what ultimately becomes River Road running to Crows Nest. Only one house would need to be removed for Penrose Street to continue westward as a bridge (or no houses and minimal bush land with a slight deviation into Blackman Park). Also, Blenheim is pronounced “Blennim” not “Blen-Hime”. Interesting video and a great channel.
It was ludicrous that flash infrastructure leads to nowhere. We have so many missing links just for the sake of appeasing special interest groups, be it environment groups, or wealthy businesspeople who didn't want their "special" posh areas disturbed. Now we have toll companies robbing many thousands of motorists each day which could have been avoided if these grade separated roads went ahead as envisaged for a functional metropolis. To this day we have often meandering goat tracks that pass for main links between centres instead of essential minimum standard of a road network you expect in any functional city. We're wasting fuel, time, brake shoes to this day just for a very few ancient complainers who's legacy continues to hold the city back and left us with third rate options to get around. Very good presentation BTW, on such an interesting subject. Look forward to more. Ozroads fan here.
Where do you live? Clearly not in the (beautiful) local area where we are out kayaking the river, walking the LNCP etc. I even played soccer for N.Ryde RSL whose home ground is Magdala Park. We don’t exist to shave a few minutes off your commute back to McMansionville
Loved the walk-through in the second half of this video, incredible being shown the pathway by someone who has the eyes to see the signs of it that still exist. Very nicely done, very much enjoyed!
I just discovered this video and wow, it is really really great! Thanks for making this - really well done and fascinating to know about all the history I regularly drive over and had no idea about. Keep up the good work and keep em coming!
I've done much research and seen some of those DMR videos too, but your skill in digging up more information is impressive. I have lived in Hornsby, Mt Colah, West Pymble, Lane Cove and Marsfield and have often wondered about the possibilities of a quick motorway extension. I voiced my opinion back in the day (official feedback) about the link from Marsfield to Wahroonga hoping for the Lane Cove Valley option shown here over a ridiculously expensive tunnel. I didn't know the option for the Valley was a real historic route at the time. I do like the Northconnex, but the money used could have solved many more bottlenecks in Sydney's network. Looking forward to more videos.
Thanks for watching! Yeah, cheaper route for sure, but I'm sure the community would never have allowed it. Well, it's a proposal long lost to time now.
Just watched the video and thought id put some added points about the Lane Cove Expressway. 1. Only 10Km of bushland would off been destroyed by the expressway, when there's already over 100kms of freeways through national parks already built. (F3/M1 and M2) 2. The National park would of rejuvenated by itself like all National Parks with Freeways through them have done 3. There would of been $0 tolls (Currently costs roughly $30 per trip) 4. Gladesville Bridge would of never been built. 5. Pennant Hills Road and Pacific Hwy would of had half the traffic congestion 6. The Freeway was meant to be next to The Broadway not over the top of it (Have the 1971 Sydney Street Directory) They should move the Expressway from East of South Turramurra to the West of South Turramurra (7.3km of NP down to 5.7km) and Move the expressway from West of the Lane Cove River (East Ryde) to East of the Lane Cove River (West Lane Cove) through the Industrial Area (3.6km of NP down to 2.6km).
Very well said I agree with you. With Sydney losing its status as Australia's no.1 city in the last 12 months and the new airport being built with basically no road infrastructure leading into it all we have one last chance to get Sydney and Urban Sydney right making it the most connecting city and easily connecting into satellite areas like Newcastle, Gosford, Singleton, Windsor, Lithgow, Bathurst, Wollongong, Nowra, Southern Highlands, Goulburn & Canberra. With the current M1 now we need to somehow find a way to directly connect the two M1's between Wahronga and Waterfall making the National 1 (M1) the most epic in NSW. I would extend the M11 to Silverwater Road and it be motorway all the way to Parramatta River Bridge (as it should have been from day one). M2 - extend out to Cranebrook and the land is still there for it M3 - new motorway starting from west of Lithgow, by-passing Lithgow, running along the same line as Bells Line of Road, cuts across Galston towards the M1 and behind Turramurra linking with Forest Way & Wakehurst Park and link with the Warringah Expressway M4 - this is fine just fix up the Rozelle Interchange and parts of the Great Western Highway M5 - this is fine as well as well it pushes right through to the Harbour Tunnel M6 - I believe this has been assigned to a motorway from the M8 to Kogarah of course needs to push to the M1 at Loftus or Waterfall M7 - they should go back to the original proposal of pushing to Mt White via Dural this would bypass the tricky Hawkesbury to Mt White section of the M1 and M8 - I believe this is in progress to push through to the Warringah Expressway I would love an entrance to it from Kingsgrove or Bexley Rd M9 - current proposal is for it to go from Richmond/Windsor to near Campbelltown this really needs to be pushed through to the M1 at the Appin Road exit (M1 needs to be upgraded from Appin Road to Wollongong Uni) and at the other end go to where the Singleton Bypass will be and link with the Golden Highway upgrading the part of the Golden Highway from the M15 that will be the M9 to Motorway plus John Renshaw Dr from the new M1 to M15 as a M9/M15 link. M10 - name kept blank just in case we need another one M11 - stated above link to Silverwater Road and upgrade the M2 interchange and add in an exit at Carlingford M12 - currently in progress from M7 to Airport M2, M3, M4, M5, M7, M9 and M12 are all direct lines or linking to direct lines for the new airport. The M1 will have turn offs for the new airport at every angle from John Renshaw Dr at Minmi, M7, M3, M2, M4, M5 and M9 (north of Wollongong). We simply have to make the new airport work. We can really build the motorway network and upgrade the major highways like Great Western between Katoomba and Bathurst. We also need to invest in better motorways between South Coast & Canberra, Albion Park & Southern Highlands, Tamworth & Port Macquarie, and Wagga Wagga & Canberra. As for tolls I don't care if we do a lifetime of tolls if we operate under the one toll system rather than different tolls for different roads it's not that hard now with eTag, LinkT, etc and to have both a daily and weekly cap so people can budget.
Great video! As a usee of gladesville bridge from pymble to the city as i have no toll tag/account i often fantasized driving at night the northern end after crossing the gladesville bridge that it continues as the planned expressway! The new tunnel from drumoyne to anzac bridge further gives that impression to me. I use the interchange to north ryde to get to pittwater rd to epping rd and at the pittwater rd stretch along the lane cove river fantasize a big sign with a list of distances, as it does look a bit like pacific hwy north coast around grafton! The pedestrians use footpath not expressway has that signwriters fancy arrow design that old one way signs had. Jm
Cool, super informative. Having lived in that area never knew any of that but always noticed some spots with hints of future build or as it seems only planned but abandoned. Great watch looking forward to more gems.
Thanks for the video...so many green belt corridors throughout the Sydney metro region which were once planned many many moons ago to extend existing freeways and create state roads...many of them still exist...and now tunnels now take their place like the F6 corridor extension through Dolls Point, Sans Souci, Ramsgate and Kyeemagh and link up with General Holmes Dr where the M5 East now joins...interesting designs from decades and decades ago. Great video...👍🏽 and a new subscriber...cheers from outer western Sydney!!!!
Great vid! I realised halfway through, my Mum and her family emigrated from NI in the late 1960s. Her dad took a job with Main Roads and as a result they got a dirt cheap house for rent in Lane Cove. The house was supposed to be demolished for a motorway but never was - I'd never thought about exactly what motorway that was!
Great video. Still wonder whether Hunters Hill to M2 section might be built one day, but as a tunnel rather than destroying as much bush. Provides redundancy and better connections to the M4/M5.
Thankfully, funding restrictions prevented many of these proposed freeways being built. "Pieces" of them exist. Today, with our amazing tunneling technology and engineering, some of these freeways will be constructed as underground tollways, thereby protecting the reserved land corridors. The M6 is a fine example. Welcome to the world of more expensive tollways! Great documentary.
You should do a video on that odd section of James Ruse drive that exists just after Rosehill up towards Northmead. It looks like it was supposed to be a full-motorway m4 to m2 link. A corridoor seems to exist still for this purpose.
Actually, as far as I know that route is complete. It's part of the Parramatta Ring Road, a bypass around Parramatta. Not too sure what corridor you're referring to?
I know the section that you mean, and I get why you think it is a bit odd, I always though that too. But with the reply about a ring road/bypass it makes more sense. Also what looks like a corridor is a ton of creek area, so no good to build housing.
great video dude! I always thought the section on Burns Bay Road and through to Drummoyne was weird and felt unfinished. Now I know! Keep it up, i've just subscribed
Great video! My understanding is that there was also the B2/B3 proposal which would link the M1 with the M2 at the northern part of this. This was put to bed finally once the current M2 was linked with the M1 tunnel from Wahroonga to the M2 at west pennant hills. Nevertheless there is still choke points on the north shore. Sydney still lacks a proper north-south freeway without having to go out west to the M7 or eastward into the city. The only options are Metroad 6 or 3 but there are no plans for these.
It's a shame Sydney doesn't understand the concept of circumferential travel, both in rail and road respects. Well, at least there's the M7 and the future M9 motorways, and the Metro WS Airport.
Toll Free A28 on an avg day the time dif is only 12mins longer and 8km shorter saving $23+ in tolls, Pennant hills road is great now the trucks are gone
@@BuildingBeautifullythe new M9 really should be starting from the Princes Motorway and linking to the Golden Hwy, Hunter Expressway & planned Singleton By-Pass. This will help take off so much pressure from the M2 and F3 having a second motorway road north.
Back in the '60's, my parents' friends bought a semi-detached on Great North Road at Abbotsford Point which was DMR affected. They were told a bridge was planned from the point, across to Gladesville. (Where a punt had existed many years before) The bridge idea was eventually scrapped, but I wonder if there was some plan to link that road with the Lane Cove Valley road ? I remember the area at Huntley's Cove, which is now Mortimer Lewis Drive, being rough land as late as the 1990's. Wonder if that area was reserved to link the aforementioned road with the Lane Cove Valley road ? Are you aware there are 4 workers' bodies entombed in the concrete of the Gladesville Bridge ? One plan which never came to fruition was a link from Canterbury Road at Summer Hill, along Junction Road, then along the back of Ashfield, Ashbury near Park Avenue and onto Georges River Road, which was to be widened from 4 to 6 lanes, then continuing onto Punchbowl Road. There is some evidence of empty land, and some (more recent) units and houses built well back from Georges River Road. I grew up in that area, and it always fascinated me.
@@wapane7721 A guy I knew some years back, his dad worked on the construction of Gladesville Bridge. He said that they were pumping concrete and unfortunately workers fell in (at different times and different parts of the bridge) He said they stopped the pumps but couldn't rescue the workers, so their bodies are entombed in the bridge.
Nice work - but you missed a hidden gem of this forgotten freeway. In Fox Valley, the Broadway is a dual lane road but is only minor local road - a sign of its intention to eb part of the freeway. But most interesting is at the single lane section of the Broadway where you say the other side of the road is bushland. If you go into this bushland here you will find they have laid sandstone flagstones as road base for the freeway. It goes for about 300m. There is a bushwalk along this bit of road which never got further than the roadbase.
I love the bushland in our city but this would've been one of the most useful, desirable bits of infrastructure in the whole of Sydney. My family always lived southside, I always preferred to travel north for holidays and also lived on the Central Coast for a few years. This would have saved weeks, maybe months of time for me over the years of bottleneck travel trying to get in and out the inner west. And what was mentioned but not properly considered was how much bushland we lost to housing once the previously allocated land was released anyway. Plenty of clearing done there. We're still trying to catch up with a proper connecting road to M1/F1 now, only it will be a tollway now. BIG opportunity missed when Govt pulled the plug.
I grew up in Gladesville. My wife grew up in Hunters Hill. Gladesville was unassuming. Nothing special. It was rarely mentioned in the news. I was very familiar with the Gladesville Bridge, the Figtree Bridge and the Tarban Creek Bridge. I did not know there were plans for an expressway to Wahroonga. But I did wonder why there where three bridges all linked at one big interchange on the north side of the Gladesville Bridge. It seemed at the time to be a very big expense for little old Gladesville. Now I know why. Thank you for telling all about it.
A real eye opener to me and l can't couht how many times l have crossed Figtree Bridge and Gladesville Bridge and never knew it was a part of a proposed expressway
Before the Howard government locked in northconnex, all the RTA plans were to connect the M1 with the M2 thru the reservation but this was Liberal heartland the the drivers were most probably labour voters from central coast commuting to Sydney. Them house values have to be preserved at any cost. In other words, no one cared that the tolls would be double, last longer and do not follow the demand route. The Parramatta to Chatswood rail line was also butchered for similar political reasons even though it would have solved critical bottle necks in the Sydney rail system, bottlenecks that still exist :-(
Yes. The freeway was proposed to run to and from a major interchange in Ultimo. The complex of elevated roads with various on and off ramps built around there and Pyrmont in 1980 and now directly lead to the Anzac Bridge look to be part of that proposed interchange.
I was once looking to buy a house in Edgeware Road Newtown. The contract still mentioned that had been planned as a motorway presumably linking to the Ultimo interchange
This video is awesome! It would be great to see one like this on the original route for the Warringah Freeway. I read it was meant to be very different
Building Beautifully, Love your work, however I noticed one tiny mistake in your description that you might like to fix, I believe it’s not “Peacre’s Corner” but Pearce’s corner. Looking forward to more of your work.
I also grew up hearing about a planned expressed way on the northern beaches (that also would have cut through a lot of bushland). All i know for certain was there is empty land cutting east-west through Belrose, on both sides of Forest Way I believe the alignment would have come from Gordon, then through Belrose, interchanging with Forest Way, then through Oxford Falls, then i guess joining up with Wakehurst Parkway
Just found this one - the bridge with no plans looks to me to be a lot closer to Blackman Park as Waterview Dr is located under the "Burns Bay Rd" label. This would also make sense as there it would form a logical extension of Penrose St. Love the videos btw!
I've always been interested in this and have traced out the northern route before. I had friends that lived off Fox Valley Rd, access near the clearing there. The clearing is very evident on Eastbourne Ave too. I thought that no dumping sign there must be so old, from before the land was handed over from the RTA to the council? Then you showed the RMS sign...does that mean the Roads+Waterways dept still own the land?
Nah, I do believe it was always planned that way. It's a bypass of Parramatta, which it currently does do, they just didn't make it a full freewaay for some reason.
Hey there! Loving the content 👌. Just another fun fact. There also was a sign just before the pedestrian overpass at Linley point heading north which wrote "END OF FREEWAY CONDITIONS" and I'm pretty sure one heading west on Victoria Rd next to Riverside Girls. highschool.
Congratulations on an awesome new video. As useful as a traffic route it would have been thank goodness we have retained what's now Lane Cove National Park! The County of Cumberland isn't a map or a plan - it's a region, which covers most of the Sydney metro area. Cheers
Thanks for making this video. Having driven though the very wide section of burns bay many times, I have always wondered whether there were plans for an expressway that never eventuated. Looks like I was correct!
That Victoria-Burns Bay Road interchange got me in 1994, when my Dad and I went home from Leichhardt Oval. (It was meant to be the last premiership match there ever😉) At least we finally got the Macquarie Park stretch and the connection north...
I went to school at Kent road public in North Ryde. The top oval was left vacant and lined up with the park across the road to the east and a lot of vacant land to the west. This was back in the 80s and I was told it was left vacant for an express way. Part of is still vacant but most of it was built on
Living almost right in the corridor of the motorway, I didn’t know until a few years ago about why these empty patches of land even existed! With most buildings in the area being DESTROYED through the area including Kissing Point Road being *6* lanes, Pennant Hills Road becoming *8*, which those 2 would’ve knocked down most of the public facilities and hundreds of houses in their own. The. The motorway would’ve destroyed a whole National park, my local park, and would’ve been a dividing strip throughout the whole area! Although there was a way to put an essential link without all of this, the plan they were gonna use would’ve been a disaster and no wonder why they went and *rioted* over it! There’s a lot more to the Cumberland County Plan of 1947 as well that still affect us to this day! They were gonna put in a green belt, a s*** ton of motorways, and more! And even the Counties and Parishes of NSW are a story in their own right! Thanks for checking out my home town and seeing the town on this internet thingy… If you need anything, there’s a noggin up here with resources for free! Oh, and those houses were built overtime from about 2010, and are now finishing up. There’s some more information about the project, and a few similar ones around the area at the Turramurra Library which hasn’t been digitised, and they’re also wanting to knock down that Library as well. It’s somewhere around 994 in non fiction, and it’s a book about South Turramurra.
I personally think it's a good thing they didn't build the freeway, although an alternative should've been built far sooner (ie NorthConnex) to help the traffic on Pennant Hills Road. It would've been a very destructive project. Thanks for your insightful comment :))
When Gladesville Bridge was built, it was the longest single span concrete arch bridge in the world. There is a rail bridge that is longer now, but not a car bridge). I believe that the Sydney Harbour Bridge still holds the title as the widest bridge in the world (Certainly for a single deck, there is a multi-deck bridge in Vancouver that is wider...that that's 2 bridges isn't it...really!?)
Thanks for the interesting Video. i live in the Frenchs Forrest area and there is a corridor of land that passes right through the border of Frenchs forrest and belrose. I was told it was for a freeway that was never built. was hoping you could shed some light on that for me
My map shows a proposed road starting at Killeaton Street St Ives, passing between Belrose and Frenchs Forest (crossing Forest Way between Wearden & Dawes Rds), crossing the Wakehurst Parkway at the intersection with Oxford Falls Road, taking over Carawa Rd Cromer, and finishing at the intersection of Campbell Av and South Creek Rd Dee Why. Wacky stuff, but at least the first section between St Ives and Frenchs Forest would have probably been pretty useful.
The central section of the national park, between De Burghs Bridge on Ryde Road and Fullers Bridge, was set aside as a park in the 1920s. The area was managed by a trust and was called Lane Cove River Park. In 1982, the NSW Government took over direct control of the park which was then called Lane Cove Regional Park. It was renamed Lane Cove National Park in 1992. This all happened afterwards meaning acquisition of the land and running the expressway through the bushland was both legal and feasible in the 60s and 70s.
Fun video! Would love to see your take on 'not just bikes' and 'climate town' videos but focused more on Sydney. In that vein, its worth pointing out that the travel times would have been slashed only for as long as it took everyone to start using the road more -- all road planners must fear the sceptre of induced demand. Imagine if instead of cancelling it, in the 70's they'd built a metro or light rail line going from Wahroonga, south and east all the way to Drummoyne, then continuing on into the city...🥰🥰🥰
My brother got to rent a house in Eastbourne Ave Wahroonga very cheaply as it was on the Expressway path Was able to save enough money to build a house in East Wahroonga.
Mate, the County of Cumberland was originally founded in 1788 as the first land administrative division of then the Colony of New South Wales, and had been for many years considered the Sydney Metropolitan region. It makes up one of the original 19 counties first surveyed by Sir Thomas Mitchell in 1834, and of the 141 current counties of NSW, and each of those is made up of smaller parishes. Most maps of the area showing anything to do with land usage or ownership, particular cadastral maps (land parcels and boundaries), will denote the County of Cumberland.
How about the debacle of the M4 to nowhere, where the Askin Government built the support columns from Concord to the city. Askin lost the election, the incoming Wran Labor Government cancelled the M4 from Concord to the city and demolished all the support columns. So we were left with a freeway to nowhere, feeding back on to Parramatta Rd. The rumour at the time was that the support columns were located in Labor electorates and Wran being a lefty made the selfish decision to cancel and gave us all a really idiotic traffic snarl for decades. Thanks Nifty Nev...NOT...😡😡 Can you do a video on this freeway please.
Every Plan in Sydney has been destructive, but necessary. Like the house you live in. It was quite destructive to the local environment on which it was built on, but you wouldn't want your house demolished for bushland, would you?
For a discussion on the cancelled M5 surface route, see Saving Wolli Creek - the complete documentary ruclips.net/video/2R7W9_6FFVs/видео.html Which references the Kyeemagh-Chullora Road Inquiry available here roadinquiry.blogspot.com/2015/10/overview.html
The famed 'Gregories' street directories, used by Sydneysiders prior to the late 70's had dotted line outlines of all the proposed freeways in Sydney. There must be a few still floating about. Enjoyed this, thanks.
Looking for houses with a dotted line running through
No one
Not a single soul
Real estate agent: yeah thats never gonna be built haha
@@rolfeb its an interesting step back in time... masses of undefined land mass
With ominous titles... commenwealth property
Me as a 10 year old
"Exploration adventure!"
@@rolfeb I still have my Sydney UBDs some of which are the Expanded CityLink ones 😁
I think Sydway had that too from memory, might try and dig one up...
I've seen many of these corridors often but never thought anything of them. Really interesting video and a lot of effort put in too.
Thank you! They're very interesting, hoping to make more videos on these corridors very soon.
@@BuildingBeautifully I just watched the one about Eastwood where you talk about the highway through my old school and els hall park
Great work. You've turned a pile of clues into a cohesive story.
Such a Sydney thing. Plan ahead, scrap plans, build over plans, ignore demand for replacement plan for decades, propose new plan, scrap new plan, propose alternate new plan, Build new plan! Realise the built plan didn't quite solve the problem.
Sounds right!
Very nice video. Grew up in Hunters Hill and always wondered why traffic going on Burns Bay Rd from the Gladesville Bridge got to go straight whereas the relatively busier Victoria Rd was designed as an exit and this finally solves the mystery. Also nice bit of trivia with that sign that mentions the expressway, I’ve walked past it many times. Keep up the good work!
You should check out the cancelled expressway that was to go from St. Ives to Cromer through Belrose. The corridor is still there through Belrose and is crossed by Elm Ave, Pringle Ave, Forest Way and Wakehurst Parkway. It would have certainly saved time getting from the Northern Beaches to the upper North Shore.
yes i remember this corridor!
Was that to come off eastern arterial rd?
Love your detective work on this video. Grew up in Lane Cove West in the 50’s and 60’s. The spot where the piece to camera was done beside Fig Tree Bridge was once the treatment plant for a sand mine. The sand was dredged from the adjoining Lane Cove River. Also like the story about the extra wide headstocks on the Figtree Bridge. Well done.
I love this guy! He's the Kevin McCloud of transport infrastructure
I suspect this expressway will eventually be built, but mostly as tunnels. There is a hint to this occurring as the Northconnex interchange with the M2 doesn’t include free flowing ramp connections to the M2 eastern side.
A new motorway tunnel from the M1 at Hornsby to Macquarie Park would provide this direct connection.
Needs to be done and the current M11 really needs to connect with Silverwater Road.
Loved this video! I have lived in Gladesville for many years and was always struck by the freeway look of the interchange between Burns Bay Rd and Church St that seemed way too elaborate for purpose. After learning about the abandoned freeway I had tried myself to trace the possible route northward. Like another commenter, my theory re that mystery bridge from Lane Cove to East Ryde is that it was most likely an extension of Penrose St across to Pittwater Rd. Interestingly, that bridge is close to where a rail bridge would have been required for an abandoned 1930’s plan to extended a rail line from St Leonard’s to North Ryde via that same location in East Ryde! Keep up the great work.
Thank you! Yes, that location might very well be right.
Thanks for the video. Having driven over the Gladesville Bridge many times I often wondered why there was such a complex interchange there. Now I know!
That bridge was repaired a couple of times, it's a wonder it's still standing.
Wonderful - excellent presentation, loved every minute of it
Thank you!
I knew very little really but an old 1970s street directory hinted and revealed this plan back at that time. I lived in Hunters Hill most of my life so far so I absolutely adore this video telling me some old local history. It is really just as well that it never happened really. Part of what makes Sydney so great I think are awesome tracts of bushland all around this city especially in the north. Some of our more interesting roads I feel prove the point. Commenara Parkway. Wakehurst Parkway. Country roads within the city limits. Some of the bushwalks through these bushland areas. Parks. You name it. We all take it for granted I feel. Not many cities in the world have what we have right here in Sydney. Think about it.
Very true! It really would've changed the feel of that part of Sydney.
@@BuildingBeautifully when motorways are built for nature land the regrowth happens and the drive is quite spectacular as well. The Princes M1 Motorway south of Wollongong to Bomaderry is a very good drive lots of great scenery and the M1 north of Coffs Harbour is a wonderful drive as well especially from Ballina to Tweed Heads. The old F3 (now M1) where they cut right through is spectacular outlooks just too busy of a road now. Good motorways provide easy access to these nature strips for exploring and soaking it in.
Please never stop. I am usually all about railways and railway history and what could've / should've been, but you've turned me on to roads like I never thought! Greeeeaaaatt video and can't wait for more
Hello, I grew up in the Lane Cove West area from the 60s. The alignment of the original proposed expressway was actually between Myee Crescent and Cope street. You can see in your satellite view at 7:33 in the video, a green strip that still exists to this day where the land was reserved. Maybe the later plan took the alignment up the LHS of the Lance Cover river valley, but the original plans had it running across Penrose street and then eventually turning left and linking with Epping road at Blenheim road.
Yes, you're correct actually. The original plans did have it go on the east side of the river. But they changed their minds about this at some unknown point, as you'll see that the description in the DMR notes "west side of the Lane Cove River". Why did they change their minds? No idea! Maybe because the westerly route was more direct and would spare more houses. Thanks for watching!
god I love Sydney! 😂❤
On a similar note, the grainy, B&W mocked-up photograph of a “proposed new bridge” in Lane Cove West joining the Burns Bay Road with the new expressway seems to show that bridge starting at the west end of Penrose Street. Certainly that would have made a good place for such a bridge since the river is narrow there and there is already a major intersection connecting Penrose Street with the Burns Bay Road and what ultimately becomes River Road running to Crows Nest. Only one house would need to be removed for Penrose Street to continue westward as a bridge (or no houses and minimal bush land with a slight deviation into Blackman Park).
Also, Blenheim is pronounced “Blennim” not “Blen-Hime”.
Interesting video and a great channel.
It was ludicrous that flash
infrastructure leads to nowhere.
We have so many missing links just for the sake of appeasing special interest groups, be it environment groups, or wealthy businesspeople who didn't want their "special" posh areas disturbed.
Now we have toll companies robbing many thousands of motorists each day which could have been avoided if these grade separated roads went ahead as envisaged for a functional metropolis.
To this day we have often meandering goat tracks that pass for main links between centres instead of essential minimum standard of a road network you expect in any functional city.
We're wasting fuel, time, brake shoes to this day just for a very few ancient complainers who's legacy continues to hold the city back and left us with third rate options to get around.
Very good presentation BTW, on such an interesting subject. Look forward to more. Ozroads fan here.
Where do you live? Clearly not in the (beautiful) local area where we are out kayaking the river, walking the LNCP etc. I even played soccer for N.Ryde RSL whose home ground is Magdala Park. We don’t exist to shave a few minutes off your commute back to McMansionville
Loved the walk-through in the second half of this video, incredible being shown the pathway by someone who has the eyes to see the signs of it that still exist. Very nicely done, very much enjoyed!
I just discovered this video and wow, it is really really great! Thanks for making this - really well done and fascinating to know about all the history I regularly drive over and had no idea about. Keep up the good work and keep em coming!
I applaud your research. What a fresh review of what could have been. Well done and 5 stars for your work.
I've done much research and seen some of those DMR videos too, but your skill in digging up more information is impressive.
I have lived in Hornsby, Mt Colah, West Pymble, Lane Cove and Marsfield and have often wondered about the possibilities of a quick motorway extension.
I voiced my opinion back in the day (official feedback) about the link from Marsfield to Wahroonga hoping for the Lane Cove Valley option shown here over a ridiculously expensive tunnel. I didn't know the option for the Valley was a real historic route at the time.
I do like the Northconnex, but the money used could have solved many more bottlenecks in Sydney's network. Looking forward to more videos.
Thanks for watching! Yeah, cheaper route for sure, but I'm sure the community would never have allowed it. Well, it's a proposal long lost to time now.
Hey I like your videos, keep up the good work exploring Sydney!
Just watched the video and thought id put some added points about the Lane Cove Expressway.
1. Only 10Km of bushland would off been destroyed by the expressway, when there's already over 100kms of freeways through national parks already built. (F3/M1 and M2)
2. The National park would of rejuvenated by itself like all National Parks with Freeways through them have done
3. There would of been $0 tolls (Currently costs roughly $30 per trip)
4. Gladesville Bridge would of never been built.
5. Pennant Hills Road and Pacific Hwy would of had half the traffic congestion
6. The Freeway was meant to be next to The Broadway not over the top of it (Have the 1971 Sydney Street Directory)
They should move the Expressway from East of South Turramurra to the West of South Turramurra (7.3km of NP down to 5.7km) and Move the expressway from West of the Lane Cove River (East Ryde) to East of the Lane Cove River (West Lane Cove) through the Industrial Area (3.6km of NP down to 2.6km).
Very well said I agree with you. With Sydney losing its status as Australia's no.1 city in the last 12 months and the new airport being built with basically no road infrastructure leading into it all we have one last chance to get Sydney and Urban Sydney right making it the most connecting city and easily connecting into satellite areas like Newcastle, Gosford, Singleton, Windsor, Lithgow, Bathurst, Wollongong, Nowra, Southern Highlands, Goulburn & Canberra.
With the current M1 now we need to somehow find a way to directly connect the two M1's between Wahronga and Waterfall making the National 1 (M1) the most epic in NSW.
I would extend the M11 to Silverwater Road and it be motorway all the way to Parramatta River Bridge (as it should have been from day one).
M2 - extend out to Cranebrook and the land is still there for it
M3 - new motorway starting from west of Lithgow, by-passing Lithgow, running along the same line as Bells Line of Road, cuts across Galston towards the M1 and behind Turramurra linking with Forest Way & Wakehurst Park and link with the Warringah Expressway
M4 - this is fine just fix up the Rozelle Interchange and parts of the Great Western Highway
M5 - this is fine as well as well it pushes right through to the Harbour Tunnel
M6 - I believe this has been assigned to a motorway from the M8 to Kogarah of course needs to push to the M1 at Loftus or Waterfall
M7 - they should go back to the original proposal of pushing to Mt White via Dural this would bypass the tricky Hawkesbury to Mt White section of the M1 and
M8 - I believe this is in progress to push through to the Warringah Expressway I would love an entrance to it from Kingsgrove or Bexley Rd
M9 - current proposal is for it to go from Richmond/Windsor to near Campbelltown this really needs to be pushed through to the M1 at the Appin Road exit (M1 needs to be upgraded from Appin Road to Wollongong Uni) and at the other end go to where the Singleton Bypass will be and link with the Golden Highway upgrading the part of the Golden Highway from the M15 that will be the M9 to Motorway plus John Renshaw Dr from the new M1 to M15 as a M9/M15 link.
M10 - name kept blank just in case we need another one
M11 - stated above link to Silverwater Road and upgrade the M2 interchange and add in an exit at Carlingford
M12 - currently in progress from M7 to Airport
M2, M3, M4, M5, M7, M9 and M12 are all direct lines or linking to direct lines for the new airport. The M1 will have turn offs for the new airport at every angle from John Renshaw Dr at Minmi, M7, M3, M2, M4, M5 and M9 (north of Wollongong).
We simply have to make the new airport work.
We can really build the motorway network and upgrade the major highways like Great Western between Katoomba and Bathurst.
We also need to invest in better motorways between South Coast & Canberra, Albion Park & Southern Highlands, Tamworth & Port Macquarie, and Wagga Wagga & Canberra.
As for tolls I don't care if we do a lifetime of tolls if we operate under the one toll system rather than different tolls for different roads it's not that hard now with eTag, LinkT, etc and to have both a daily and weekly cap so people can budget.
Great video! As a usee of gladesville bridge from pymble to the city as i have no toll tag/account i often fantasized driving at night the northern end after crossing the gladesville bridge that it continues as the planned expressway! The new tunnel from drumoyne to anzac bridge further gives that impression to me. I use the interchange to north ryde to get to pittwater rd to epping rd and at the pittwater rd stretch along the lane cove river fantasize a big sign with a list of distances, as it does look a bit like pacific hwy north coast around grafton! The pedestrians use footpath not expressway has that signwriters fancy arrow design that old one way signs had. Jm
I love your channel. I’m glad the algorithm recommended it
Great video and effort. Look forward to other lost freeways being featured.
Cool, super informative. Having lived in that area never knew any of that but always noticed some spots with hints of future build or as it seems only planned but abandoned. Great watch looking forward to more gems.
Thanks for the video...so many green belt corridors throughout the Sydney metro region which were once planned many many moons ago to extend existing freeways and create state roads...many of them still exist...and now tunnels now take their place like the F6 corridor extension through Dolls Point, Sans Souci, Ramsgate and Kyeemagh and link up with General Holmes Dr where the M5 East now joins...interesting designs from decades and decades ago.
Great video...👍🏽 and a new subscriber...cheers from outer western Sydney!!!!
Yes I wonder too if some of these corridors may be replaced with tunnels, although that will mean tolls too :(
I have had conversations with my dad about how these large cuttings and bridges seem to lead to nowhere, nice to see a video about it
Fascinating! Thanks for helping me appreciate my own backyard a little bit more.
Great vid! I realised halfway through, my Mum and her family emigrated from NI in the late 1960s. Her dad took a job with Main Roads and as a result they got a dirt cheap house for rent in Lane Cove. The house was supposed to be demolished for a motorway but never was - I'd never thought about exactly what motorway that was!
My wife lived in Lucinda Ave Wahroonga as a girl. She and her friends kept and rode their horses in ‘The Paddock’ behind their homes.
Great video.
Still wonder whether Hunters Hill to M2 section might be built one day, but as a tunnel rather than destroying as much bush.
Provides redundancy and better connections to the M4/M5.
Good option.
Thankfully, funding restrictions prevented many of these proposed freeways being built. "Pieces" of them exist. Today, with our amazing tunneling technology and engineering, some of these freeways will be constructed as underground tollways, thereby protecting the reserved land corridors. The M6 is a fine example. Welcome to the world of more expensive tollways! Great documentary.
You should do a video on that odd section of James Ruse drive that exists just after Rosehill up towards Northmead. It looks like it was supposed to be a full-motorway m4 to m2 link. A corridoor seems to exist still for this purpose.
Actually, as far as I know that route is complete. It's part of the Parramatta Ring Road, a bypass around Parramatta. Not too sure what corridor you're referring to?
I know the section that you mean, and I get why you think it is a bit odd, I always though that too. But with the reply about a ring road/bypass it makes more sense. Also what looks like a corridor is a ton of creek area, so no good to build housing.
@@BuildingBeautifully oh I more meant that a motorway grade link between James ruse where it's 90kmh down to the m4
Excellent Video. I live around the area and fascinated an by the story. Well done pulling this all together.
Thank you!
great video dude!
I always thought the section on Burns Bay Road and through to Drummoyne was weird and felt unfinished. Now I know!
Keep it up, i've just subscribed
Thank you!
Great video! My understanding is that there was also the B2/B3 proposal which would link the M1 with the M2 at the northern part of this. This was put to bed finally once the current M2 was linked with the M1 tunnel from Wahroonga to the M2 at west pennant hills. Nevertheless there is still choke points on the north shore. Sydney still lacks a proper north-south freeway without having to go out west to the M7 or eastward into the city. The only options are Metroad 6 or 3 but there are no plans for these.
It's a shame Sydney doesn't understand the concept of circumferential travel, both in rail and road respects. Well, at least there's the M7 and the future M9 motorways, and the Metro WS Airport.
Toll Free A28 on an avg day the time dif is only 12mins longer and 8km shorter saving $23+ in tolls, Pennant hills road is great now the trucks are gone
@@BuildingBeautifullythe new M9 really should be starting from the Princes Motorway and linking to the Golden Hwy, Hunter Expressway & planned Singleton By-Pass. This will help take off so much pressure from the M2 and F3 having a second motorway road north.
Back in the '60's, my parents' friends bought a semi-detached on Great North Road at Abbotsford Point which was DMR affected.
They were told a bridge was planned from the point, across to Gladesville.
(Where a punt had existed many years before)
The bridge idea was eventually scrapped, but I wonder if there was some plan to link that road with the Lane Cove Valley road ?
I remember the area at Huntley's Cove, which is now Mortimer Lewis Drive, being rough land as late as the 1990's. Wonder if that area was reserved to link the aforementioned road with the Lane Cove Valley road ?
Are you aware there are 4 workers' bodies entombed in the concrete of the Gladesville Bridge ?
One plan which never came to fruition was a link from Canterbury Road at Summer Hill, along Junction Road, then along the back of Ashfield, Ashbury near Park Avenue and onto Georges River Road, which was to be widened from 4 to 6 lanes, then continuing onto Punchbowl Road.
There is some evidence of empty land, and some (more recent) units and houses built well back from Georges River Road.
I grew up in that area, and it always fascinated me.
Whats the story with the workers entombed in the concrete? Sounds interesting I had no idea
@@wapane7721
A guy I knew some years back, his dad worked on the construction of Gladesville Bridge.
He said that they were pumping concrete and unfortunately workers fell in
(at different times and different parts of the bridge) He said they stopped the pumps but couldn't rescue the workers, so their bodies are entombed in the bridge.
This channel is gold.
I commend your research and hard work on this video project. Well done.
Wow! Thanks for putting this together.
You’ve had a lucky time filming this and missing out on the Sydney rain 👍👍👍
Nice work - but you missed a hidden gem of this forgotten freeway. In Fox Valley, the Broadway is a dual lane road but is only minor local road - a sign of its intention to eb part of the freeway. But most interesting is at the single lane section of the Broadway where you say the other side of the road is bushland. If you go into this bushland here you will find they have laid sandstone flagstones as road base for the freeway. It goes for about 300m. There is a bushwalk along this bit of road which never got further than the roadbase.
I love the bushland in our city but this would've been one of the most useful, desirable bits of infrastructure in the whole of Sydney. My family always lived southside, I always preferred to travel north for holidays and also lived on the Central Coast for a few years. This would have saved weeks, maybe months of time for me over the years of bottleneck travel trying to get in and out the inner west. And what was mentioned but not properly considered was how much bushland we lost to housing once the previously allocated land was released anyway. Plenty of clearing done there. We're still trying to catch up with a proper connecting road to M1/F1 now, only it will be a tollway now. BIG opportunity missed when Govt pulled the plug.
I grew up in Gladesville. My wife grew up in Hunters Hill. Gladesville was unassuming. Nothing special. It was rarely mentioned in the news.
I was very familiar with the Gladesville Bridge, the Figtree Bridge and the Tarban Creek Bridge. I did not know there were plans for an expressway to Wahroonga. But I did wonder why there where three bridges all linked at one big interchange on the north side of the Gladesville Bridge. It seemed at the time to be a very big expense for little old Gladesville. Now I know why.
Thank you for telling all about it.
Answered my questions on the road network in gladesville. Thank you
A real eye opener to me and l can't couht how many times l have crossed Figtree Bridge and Gladesville Bridge and never knew it was a part of a proposed expressway
Very informative and amazingly researched.
Very well. Done and researched video, Thankyou
Great video, I grew up in these areas and noticed the clues but could never put it all together
I love this stuff. I have a bunch of old Gregroy's directories that have the route marked, but I do have to have a chuckle at "Peckory's Corner"!!
Before the Howard government locked in northconnex, all the RTA plans were to connect the M1 with the M2 thru the reservation but this was Liberal heartland the the drivers were most probably labour voters from central coast commuting to Sydney. Them house values have to be preserved at any cost.
In other words, no one cared that the tolls would be double, last longer and do not follow the demand route.
The Parramatta to Chatswood rail line was also butchered for similar political reasons even though it would have solved critical bottle necks in the Sydney rail system, bottlenecks that still exist :-(
Hey mate, fantastic video. Have always wanted to know more about this old project.
Interesting video appreciate the effort that's gone into it. Subbed!
Great video, I found it interesting, informative. Keep up the good work !
Was there a plan from the Gladesville bridge to the CBD?
Yes. The freeway was proposed to run to and from a major interchange in Ultimo. The complex of elevated roads with various on and off ramps built around there and Pyrmont in 1980 and now directly lead to the Anzac Bridge look to be part of that proposed interchange.
I was once looking to buy a house in Edgeware Road Newtown. The contract still mentioned that had been planned as a motorway presumably linking to the Ultimo interchange
This video is awesome! It would be great to see one like this on the original route for the Warringah Freeway. I read it was meant to be very different
With the current obsession with tunnels I wouldn't be surprised if, at some stage, this all comes to fruition.
Building Beautifully, Love your work, however I noticed one tiny mistake in your description that you might like to fix, I believe it’s not “Peacre’s Corner” but Pearce’s corner.
Looking forward to more of your work.
I also grew up hearing about a planned expressed way on the northern beaches (that also would have cut through a lot of bushland). All i know for certain was there is empty land cutting east-west through Belrose, on both sides of Forest Way
I believe the alignment would have come from Gordon, then through Belrose, interchanging with Forest Way, then through Oxford Falls, then i guess joining up with Wakehurst Parkway
Great research mate..!! Very interesting.
Just found this one - the bridge with no plans looks to me to be a lot closer to Blackman Park as Waterview Dr is located under the "Burns Bay Rd" label. This would also make sense as there it would form a logical extension of Penrose St. Love the videos btw!
I've always been interested in this and have traced out the northern route before. I had friends that lived off Fox Valley Rd, access near the clearing there. The clearing is very evident on Eastbourne Ave too.
I thought that no dumping sign there must be so old, from before the land was handed over from the RTA to the council? Then you showed the RMS sign...does that mean the Roads+Waterways dept still own the land?
I wonder if they planned the same for the James Ruse Drive since it starts off like a motorway and then after entering rosehill becomes a regular road
Nah, I do believe it was always planned that way. It's a bypass of Parramatta, which it currently does do, they just didn't make it a full freewaay for some reason.
Very interesting as I used to drive taxis in Sydney and have enjoyed bush walking in the Lane Cove National Park area
Hey there! Loving the content 👌. Just another fun fact. There also was a sign just before the pedestrian overpass at Linley point heading north which wrote "END OF FREEWAY CONDITIONS" and I'm pretty sure one heading west on Victoria Rd next to Riverside Girls. highschool.
Congratulations on an awesome new video. As useful as a traffic route it would have been thank goodness we have retained what's now Lane Cove National Park! The County of Cumberland isn't a map or a plan - it's a region, which covers most of the Sydney metro area. Cheers
Do a video on the proposed Warringah Expressway extension that would've crossed Middle Harbour and ended at Seaforth.
Great video mate.
great job as usual
Very interesting perspective of Sydney
Thanks for making this video. Having driven though the very wide section of burns bay many times, I have always wondered whether there were plans for an expressway that never eventuated. Looks like I was correct!
Haha happy to have enlightened you
Awesome dude…great job
That Victoria-Burns Bay Road interchange got me in 1994, when my Dad and I went home from Leichhardt Oval.
(It was meant to be the last premiership match there ever😉)
At least we finally got the Macquarie Park stretch and the connection north...
I get a sick satisfaction from your on-location shoots having absurd car noise 😂
I went to school at Kent road public in North Ryde. The top oval was left vacant and lined up with the park across the road to the east and a lot of vacant land to the west. This was back in the 80s and I was told it was left vacant for an express way. Part of is still vacant but most of it was built on
awesome video
Living almost right in the corridor of the motorway, I didn’t know until a few years ago about why these empty patches of land even existed! With most buildings in the area being DESTROYED through the area including Kissing Point Road being *6* lanes, Pennant Hills Road becoming *8*, which those 2 would’ve knocked down most of the public facilities and hundreds of houses in their own. The. The motorway would’ve destroyed a whole National park, my local park, and would’ve been a dividing strip throughout the whole area! Although there was a way to put an essential link without all of this, the plan they were gonna use would’ve been a disaster and no wonder why they went and *rioted* over it!
There’s a lot more to the Cumberland County Plan of 1947 as well that still affect us to this day! They were gonna put in a green belt, a s*** ton of motorways, and more! And even the Counties and Parishes of NSW are a story in their own right! Thanks for checking out my home town and seeing the town on this internet thingy…
If you need anything, there’s a noggin up here with resources for free!
Oh, and those houses were built overtime from about 2010, and are now finishing up. There’s some more information about the project, and a few similar ones around the area at the Turramurra Library which hasn’t been digitised, and they’re also wanting to knock down that Library as well. It’s somewhere around 994 in non fiction, and it’s a book about South Turramurra.
I personally think it's a good thing they didn't build the freeway, although an alternative should've been built far sooner (ie NorthConnex) to help the traffic on Pennant Hills Road. It would've been a very destructive project. Thanks for your insightful comment :))
You're the David Attenborough of Sydney roads history!
When Gladesville Bridge was built, it was the longest single span concrete arch bridge in the world. There is a rail bridge that is longer now, but not a car bridge).
I believe that the Sydney Harbour Bridge still holds the title as the widest bridge in the world (Certainly for a single deck, there is a multi-deck bridge in Vancouver that is wider...that that's 2 bridges isn't it...really!?)
There Is a great 1960’s RUclips video by the Main Roads department on the building of these bridges and there intended purpose at the time.
You might be interested in researching the old cox road that was built by conflict’s that runs from Sydney to Bathurst NSW?
Thanks for the interesting Video. i live in the Frenchs Forrest area and there is a corridor of land that passes right through the border of Frenchs forrest and belrose. I was told it was for a freeway that was never built. was hoping you could shed some light on that for me
My map shows a proposed road starting at Killeaton Street St Ives, passing between Belrose and Frenchs Forest (crossing Forest Way between Wearden & Dawes Rds), crossing the Wakehurst Parkway at the intersection with Oxford Falls Road, taking over Carawa Rd Cromer, and finishing at the intersection of Campbell Av and South Creek Rd Dee Why.
Wacky stuff, but at least the first section between St Ives and Frenchs Forest would have probably been pretty useful.
@@rolfeb any chance you could scan it for me
I am reallt interested to see that
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Hi, great video.
great video mate, always knew gladesville bridge was too big for what it does.
The central section of the national park, between De Burghs Bridge on Ryde Road and Fullers Bridge, was set aside as a park in the 1920s. The area was managed by a trust and was called Lane Cove River Park. In 1982, the NSW Government took over direct control of the park which was then called Lane Cove Regional Park. It was renamed Lane Cove National Park in 1992.
This all happened afterwards meaning acquisition of the land and running the expressway through the bushland was both legal and feasible in the 60s and 70s.
I used to live very close by in Dick at Henley. I remember that road your describe very well.
Thanks for the interesting video. I've just found your chanel and had indeed subscribed.
Thank you!!
Great job
Fun video!
Would love to see your take on 'not just bikes' and 'climate town' videos but focused more on Sydney.
In that vein, its worth pointing out that the travel times would have been slashed only for as long as it took everyone to start using the road more -- all road planners must fear the sceptre of induced demand.
Imagine if instead of cancelling it, in the 70's they'd built a metro or light rail line going from Wahroonga, south and east all the way to Drummoyne, then continuing on into the city...🥰🥰🥰
Wow...that's the dream...I really wish there was a rail line along that corridor!
My brother got to rent a house in Eastbourne Ave Wahroonga very cheaply as it was on the Expressway path Was able to save enough money to build a house in East Wahroonga.
Mate, the County of Cumberland was originally founded in 1788 as the first land administrative division of then the Colony of New South Wales, and had been for many years considered the Sydney Metropolitan region.
It makes up one of the original 19 counties first surveyed by Sir Thomas Mitchell in 1834, and of the 141 current counties of NSW, and each of those is made up of smaller parishes.
Most maps of the area showing anything to do with land usage or ownership, particular cadastral maps (land parcels and boundaries), will denote the County of Cumberland.
Jame ruse drive? It is VERY espressway like.
Thanks for this, I would love to know why Lane Cove never has a Metro service .
@3:18 that 15% rollercoaster like gradient tho
How about the debacle of the M4 to nowhere, where the Askin Government built the support columns from Concord to the city. Askin lost the election, the incoming Wran Labor Government cancelled the M4 from Concord to the city and demolished all the support columns. So we were left with a freeway to nowhere, feeding back on to Parramatta Rd. The rumour at the time was that the support columns were located in Labor electorates and Wran being a lefty made the selfish decision to cancel and gave us all a really idiotic traffic snarl for decades. Thanks Nifty Nev...NOT...😡😡 Can you do a video on this freeway please.
Every Plan in Sydney has been destructive, but necessary. Like the house you live in. It was quite destructive to the local environment on which it was built on, but you wouldn't want your house demolished for bushland, would you?
Do we want to be a city or jungle? We can't seem to make up our mind.
The city of dithering leaders.
@@jamesfrench7299 It is safer to live in a city than a jungle. Much easier lifestyle too. No Supermarkets in the jungle.
For a discussion on the cancelled M5 surface route, see Saving Wolli Creek - the complete documentary ruclips.net/video/2R7W9_6FFVs/видео.html
Which references the Kyeemagh-Chullora Road Inquiry available here roadinquiry.blogspot.com/2015/10/overview.html
As someone that went to turramurra high school id always wondered why there was that open area there.
A decent link from burns Bay road to the M2 would be good.