WC3 - [UD] Happy vs Lyn [ORC] - WB Quarterfinal - Ancient of Wonders Cup 2024 #3
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📆 Date: July 8th, 2024
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Holly shit, that game 3 is the best game I've ever watched for the last year.
The UI is so clean, it is joy to watch.
The serpent ward block to close the surrounds was so god-like!!!
Game 4 was pure humiliation... damn
only UD and HU matter in this game,
ORC and NE FALL off so FAR
Eh, I play NE and still beat orc fairly fine. Hum problem is: does not care about units, can rightclick bases while enemy present, can build whatever they want, literally. UD problem is DK and Lich synergy. It's freaking *INSANE* how well they fit each other.
@@IlyaDemidov Yeah, Orc and Elf are trash. It goes to show just how good Lyn and Kaho are that they can win anything at all. Truly heroes of their races.
U using happy which is TheViper/Serral of W3 as an example is so dumb, fact of the matter is W3 does not have nearly enough competitive players to make races balanced, especially a game with 4 races, Starcraft 2 has a massive gap between terran/zerg to protoss because the best protoss all retired and there's barely any left, doesn't mean the race is weak.
@@HenriqueRJchiki Doesn't take Happy to beat the top players of other races. 120 and Laby do it just fine. Your point is invalid.
Game 3 shows you exactly what the problem is. Lyn has expansion, 3 heroes + a 47 food army, and yet Happy almost wins with only his triple heroes and 2 statues. Impale + Nova kills HH so fast that evenw ith 2 barracks and expo Lyn barely can replace his army fast enough. It's untathomable that Lyn, one of the greatest players of all times, in a game where he is on 2 bases Vs 1 Undead base, almost loses to opponent that has no gold and only 3 heroes and a couple status left. I don't care how good your micro is. This is just unfathomable and unexplainable on the basis of "skill".
In the Lyn Vs Labyrynth series, which, BTW, Laby won(you don't need Happy to beat Lyn: even the 3rd best Undead can easily smash him), Remo commented that Blade/TC/SH is the strongest triple hero combo in the game. No, the trongest triple hero combo in the hsitory of WC3 is DK/Lich/Dark Ranger followed by Archmage/MK/Pala.
I guess we are still in the pre-Reforged era. Remo seems to forget that, back in 2018, BM received the nerf of all nerfs, with a -2 Agility nerf + a 2 second cooldown to Wind Walk. TC stomp and speed aura also got nerfed into the ground. And while it's true that Unholy aura got nerfed, it is still much, much better than Endurance Aura for 2 reasons: first, because it is not only a speed aura, but also a healing aura. Secondly, because Undead gets speed aura from it's first hero usually 2-3 minutes in, while Orc only gets speed aura at tier 2 and usually at tier 3 since Orc needs healer as second hero - no benefiot of status for free healing.
Orc was always the most DOTA-like race of WC3 with trash tier 2 units and prohitively expensive or unusable tier 3 skills like bloodlust(easily stolen/canceled).
Players accepted to play Orc with it's low DPS units, worst air in the game, and worst anti-magic in exchange for having heroes that, at level 4 or higher, could single-handedly win you the game. The entire Orc army was there just to support leveling heroes up by creeping, or by helping your heroes to control opponent's heroes(ensnare/purge),
So they nerf Orc heroes into the ground *and* nerf the only high-DPS unit that Orc has for fast creeping(HH), meaning the nerfed Orc heroes cannot level fast enough in a matchup where leveling heroes is the single most important thing for the Orc. Taht elft only wyverns as the only usable unit for Orc. Teh problem is that you cannot go BM with wyverns since wyverns require a straight tech and straight teching with BM is suicidal since it lacks summons. So if you go wyvern, you *have* to go FS, and FS is the hero that falls off the most above level 3 in all of the game(of all heroes of all races). So with wyverns you have an 8 minute window to win before the undead second hero is level 3 or you're dead.
Lyn, the best Orc of all times in one of the best shapes he's been in years, with a current MMR of 2,740(at last count) soundly loses to the 3rd best Undead.
Lyntried 10 builds over the past 18 months and lost with all of them, with only mass wyvern having some success. We just keep telling Lyn:
"Just play better. Git gud."
At this point, it's like:
"Get better, Lyn. Then you won't lose to Undead players with an MMR over 200 points lower than yours."
How much they need to nerf UD for you to be satisfied? Lyn is 60% against UD.. Happy is just that good!
game 3 (which Lyn won) shows that UD is imba. i dont have any other words anymore, you are moron
@@aleksaspalevic3136 Lyn is 60% Vs random Undead players on ladder. Just the other day, Labyrynth smashed him 2-1 the other day. We need to end this ridiculous meme that Undead is not OP, Happy is OP. 120 has won more TeD Cups and TP Leagues than anyone except for Happy!
You Happy fanboys are insufferable. There is no amount of one-sidededness to a matchup that will convince you that UD is too OP..
Here is a game where Lyn had expansion, 4 unit production buildings, and Happy with *literally* only his 3 heroes and 2 statues almost won because impale + Nova has such insane DPS that he was killing Lyn's units faster than Lyn could even produce them despite having expansion and 4 unit producing buildings!.
Saying "Happy is just that good" is pathetic. If he is "that
good", then why did he put himself in a situation where he got outplayed all game to the point where the opponent killed all his army, got an expansion on him and had a standing army while he(Happy) ran out of gold and had no army left and no second base?
It's incredible to me the denial that Undead is crazy, crazy OP Vs Orc nowadays. I am fair. For instance, a few months ago, I pointed out that MK fast expansion into knights + tanks was too strong Vs UD, and not fair to Happy, and thast getting Undead expo cancelled is too easy for Human. If you can't see that ghouls are still too strong Vs Orc, that destroyers are ridiculously OP and that Undead heroes above level 3 are just flat out better than Orc heroes, then I don't know what to tell you. Stop the "It's only Happy, he's that good!' argument. It doesn't take Happy or even 120 to beat Lyn these days. Even Laby is not starting to take maps from him with some consistency.
@@user-yp1tp7hf3f Please learn to write your comments more concise. How good Happy is you can conclude in mirror match. Not everything is completely balanced, and it will never be. Happy is better player than Lyn as we speak. There is no chance that you can tweak races and create perfect balance, there will always be miss matchups. This reminds me of tennis fans that in past 20y think that there is always someone better than Novak.
And he is just that good is valid point. He dominates, give him his flowers. On every post there is someone waiting for his downfall. You watch it subjectively and base your opinion on singular game. "Fanboy", give me a break, it's wc3, not fortnight.
I'm not even UD fan, I like NE. But you have to agree that reason why happy is the best is his skill level, not race he play's with. Grubby lately have problems reach UD r1, because playing it is so easy and op.
Game 3 57:38. Lyn's Expansion went up he used his gold to make workers and an expansion plus shop getting a Happy vs Lyn 60 vs 67 supply where the supply is mixed with workers how many army vs army is that it's basically the same amount of army, not to mention destroyers vs tauren, it's a counter destros deals a lot of dmg vs tauren and tauren can only dmg to heroes, with a tanky Cryptlord to boot the tauren supply is downright useless vs air and heroes then the headhunters gets stunned and wiped out, orc chose to expand and lose their tempo not to mention defend a base into tauren vs destros with mana, Lyn let Happy resupply his army while he made a base that didn't mine much. that 47 food was no longer 47 when they fought without a second base happy pumped his army unlike Lyn making a base and making workers for 2 bases and gathering wood he has 900 wasted wood too much wasted econ for a second base that didn't mine a lot of gold he was going into a fight supply was still stuck in production and he was still making workers amidst a fight starting.
If you really count the food Lyn had equal or less than Happy's army with Lyn''s worker count, not to mention there are those that can't attack air or was stunned by impale then killed.
This game is still the best!!!
crazy games
Happy's resilience is just insane, nubs in the comments crying about balance as usual.
It's really depressing that this ignorant comment of yours got eleven likes.
Game 3 🔥
GAME 3 boys!!!
Happy cannot be defeated. Orcs have no chance.
The worst strategy that orc goes is far seer, shadow hunter and wind riders. When lyn choose this strategy, he loses terribly against happy. The UD nuke takes heroes by the time of a blink.
Nova range is pure BS.
GG game 3 was awesome!
Thanks for not having this horrible moving ad
GGs Nice Game
No spoiler
Wait, did Remo say “this is such a shellacking”? Wtf does that mean?
Absolutely ABSURD how strong undead is. Just insane that Lyn BARELY wins game 3. I wonder if this matchup will ever be fair.
Glad to see you here but at least it wasn’t a thirty min 3-0 right? Hopefully eventually Blizzard will patch all UD match ups so they all at least can possibly pass as balanced. They spent two years on human now are moving on to NE so many 2026 Lyn will win consistently if he’s still playing.
@@tak08810 wow you want people win best player in the world of all time by just using other race? How about trainings, micro, strategies, decisions?
@@tak08810yeah dude I fully agree. At least this was exciting and entertaining! It's just insane how coil nova overcomes everything. Lyn needs 70 food just to kill 3 und heros ans 2 statues. Happy would have won game 3 if he didn't stop watching the most important unit at the most important time. Absurd! But the games were very entertaining. Good content regardless
@@twassell25 Respectfully, to both @tak08810 and @twassell25, Happy's coil+nove and UD hero management is unique. It *looks* unbalanced but how can you marginalize this observation over the known variable that Happy is unique. I mean, seriously, if I give you the same army against a 70 pop orc of the same level as you, I suppose you'd agree you don't last 2 minutes. So to me it's not clear at all if it's unbalanced or not. Lyn has 60+% WR vs UD after all.
Just a thought, but I think it'd be nice to be a bit more impartial and give at least some credits to Happy's mastery of UD heroes; you make it sound like their abilities and mana regen do it all by themselves...
@@twassell25 I hope someone puts this face on twitch so we can use it as a crying balance emoji, you are getting pretty famous with these balance spams.
that game 4 is insane by happy
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I think the best way to play orc vs undead is get a bunch of wyvrn and bats and harass the main base the whole game so they can't do any thing productive while you level up like crazy.
The bat upgrade and killing ghouls and acolytes are a must.
What a god
The orc vs undead matchup is unbearable for orcs.
they literally cant do anything
@@hilairebeatzOrcs only win if the undead makes a mistake.
@@illusion2438 there's countless matches on here of und making mistakes all game and then still easily winning. Usually while being down 20+ food, hero levels, and a base.
But happy somehow would have won game 3 after losing all game, if he didn't make a massive mistake at the end. So in this instance you're 100% correct
Game 2 was so freaking lame, not a single meaningful engagement the entire match. Pretty much shows that Lyn doesn't really have a chance against Happy if he isn't using lame strategies
its not only happy, lyn even lost to labyrinth and lyn is the better player ....this mu is just really hard for orc
It's not just lyn. This matchup just isn't fair. Time and time again the undead just destroys a full 70 food tier 3 upgraded orc army while down 20 food
I thought it was well played by Lyn. Feels like no one can beat Happy undead recently
Happy wins= I click dislike
Lyn zzzzzzzz
UD is still too OP as hell.
UD too op or it's just orc playing like pussy base laming here?
say it to sok
Funny how we didn't hear your voices when HU was exploiting mass tanks and Happy was always losing against forti and sok
Happy is too OP*
The right take is that orc is still too weak.
But when someone say's that ud is op .. 😂
is there any way this guys @user-yp1tp7hf3f, @twassell25 will be banned? this shit is EVERYWHERE now, under every video with orcs or UD on this channel.
"We need to end this ridiculous meme that Undead is not OP, Happy is OP"
"You Happy fanboys are insufferable. There is no amount of one-sidededness to a matchup that will convince you that UD is too OP."
"Saying "Happy is just that good" is pathetic"
"It's incredible to me the denial that Undead is crazy, crazy OP Vs Orc nowadays."
And that poison in comment section again and again and again.
Imagine wanting to ban peple for giving opinions. I want a healthy game where everone can thrive. BTW, I have praised Happy innumerable times, and I even defended Happy and said that Human MK fast expo into knights/tanks was too OP Vs Undead, especially since UD expo is too easily canceled by water elementals. I don't play favorites, kid. I call it like I see it.
And your attitude here is absolutely terrible. It is you that should get banned. You have a problem with someone, and instead of telling it to them you prefer to try to shit them by force.
@@user-yp1tp7hf3f reread your quotes, hypocrite. Your opinion is that Happy do not deserve to win, and it's okay to see it once or twice, but FCKING EVERYTIME, EVERY SINGLE TIME EVERY VIDEO. Bloody hell, 4 orcs in top-10, 3 ud in too-20, tournaments with half players are orcs, I thought you would stop, but no, everytime If undead wins "it's because its OP, you fanboys, you crazy, kids, when you think otherwise" And orc ALWAYS should've win, no matter who, if it's Lyn, in shape so great he loses to Sok, if it's Focus, if it's Soin, if it's Fly, if it's Infi with offrace, if it's Starbuck with offrace, all of them is soooo good and should've won, but that damn race abuser Happy stealing they rightful win. When Lyn loses to Soin "it's okay, probably a bad day", but when Lyn loses to Laby "OMG WTF LYN LOST TO WEAKER PLAYER WHAT OTHER EVIDENCE YOU NEED?!!! " You know how many times Happy lost to Laby? 0. You know how many times Happy lost to Xlord? 1. One single time in a group stage. You know what Lyn WR vs weaker player Soin? 70%. He losing 3 out of 10. People hate comment section on this channel and noone made more work then you two to make it so. Looks like your second job to poison this place
@@user-yp1tp7hf3f i will gladly be banned with you two, just to be able to go comment section without seeing another "you kids thinking Happy won cause played well and deserve to win, you are crazy" and twassels "HoW AnyoNE StIll wAtcHing tHis gaMe sEriuSLY" again and again and again and again EVERY VIDEO. You two alwasy here, it seems your second job to poison this place. There are many people with trash comments but noone is doing it so often as you two.
@@user-yp1tp7hf3f and that BS of yours "I want a healthy game where everone can thrive". There are 4 orcs in top-10 earning this year. 2 elf, 2 HU, 2 UD and 4 Orcs. 3 of them in top-5. That poor orcs that cannot thrive have more players in top-10 than imbalance-and-should-be-nerfed-for-healthy-game undeads in top-20. The last race that should complain and it is your whines outnumberes all 3 other races whines combined
@@horderob2025 Only Lyn has won any major tournament over the past 2 years, and both Happy and 120- have won way more. I am blocking you, and reporting you for harrassment.