I've paid £300 to see the Eagles, the internet says they may be miming, let's look at the evidence
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- I've got tickets to see the Eagles in Manchester in June. The ticket has cost me nearly £300 and now there are multiple videos on the internet with evidence that Don Henley may be miming entire songs. Also evidence that Joe Walsh may be miming parts of his songs.
I nearly had my channel deleted from Copyright Strikes because of the Eagles, despite that I still want to see them live....but do I want to watch them miming? Should I get a refund?
Fil goes above and beyond and is honest and trustworthy. His analysis of Don Henley was spot on.
I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd paid £300 to go and see any band "live" and end up seeing something that's been mimed!
I'd be pissed off if I went to a free "live" band and they lip-synced.
I’d be pretty pissed off if I’d paid £300 to see any band full stop.
@@DavidHamm-fb7nx I honestly can't think of anyone I would pay to listen to them play.
Happens more than you know.
@@DavidHamm-fb7nx Right!
Because the price is so high and crowded I don’t go to big shows anymore! I like being able to go to a club and hear a band and see the players play. I don’t like fake stuff!
Yep, go to up and coming bands
Yup. You get a lot of nights at the Green Note for the price of stadium ticket.
Some bands that were pretty big back in the day were still touring in the 90s at small venues. I saw Rick Deringer, Guess Who, Firefall, April Wine, Stephen Stills, in small 300 seat clubs. Foreigner, Kansas and Blue Oster cult in 500 seat venues. These are the best shows.
Go see Arthur Brown ,awesome at over 80 !!!
I once went to see Milli Vanilli. Extremely disappointed that they sang live
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Nice one 👍
Great.😀
Bahaha 🤣 it’s ironically become since decades. I got told off in 2002 for handing a singer a mic that was turned on and they went out on stage and sounded like a tone deaf munchkin. I thought I was doing the right job as an engineer! Apparently not.
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My mom paid 800 bucks for tickets in Tulsa. Video recording wasn't allowed, event staff were extremely rude and bullied people just for having phones out, getting up to use the restroom or get a drink, threatened to throw out a woman next to us for recording but she didn't have her phone out, people in front of our row mates standing up and dancing when no one else behind them was and cussing out anyone who protested because they were being blocked and elbowed. Joe Walsh was the best part of that show. I've sworn off stadium concerts for good.
$800? Your mom is a moron. It's 2024. 800 bucks for Geriatric Rock? What the f**k did she expect?
'Spy gasses'!
People were dancing, the horror! Your mom sounds awful. Anyone willing to pay that isn't based in reality
800 bucks?! Crazy
300 quid. Sue him, given a chance he'd sue you for the same thing, he's the most litigious musician in history.
It is supposed to be labeled as a mime show, not a concert.
Agreed!
It will be interesting to see or hear the reaction to the band when they play(or mime)in the UK this year.
Surely the question is how many other musicians are doing this and how long has this been happening?
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I saw Genesis in their last tour, Phil Collins knew that his voice was not as good, but instead of having taped vocals to help, they hired backing vocals who sounded like Phil to fill in with the bits he was struggling with. It sounded very good, and I did not feel short changed.
I can't really imagine Phil Collins miming. He is old school and he would rather do a bad show than a fake show.
I saw that tour as well. It was very well done with the backing singers.
Brian Wilson did the same
Then that was a true live show.
Phil was so vulnerable and frail on his last solo tour and his tour with Genesis. Explaining he was not well but wanted to play anyway and both shows were very special to me because of that. It was a powerful final salute. Eagles two weeks ago on the other hand... My mate who went to the second show two days later rang me up afterwards and started ranting because of the backing tracks on all of them apart from Joe Walsch who sings like he talks.
Fil is great. I’ve been a subscriber for ages. I can’t speak highly enough of his vids.
I especially enjoy it when he analyses one of my favourites like Patsy Cline, Bobby Hatfield or Elvis.
And Van the Man
I recently saw Don Felder at a 5 to 700 person venue. I stood 10 feet from him while he played his guitars and saying the Eagles songs. It was truly outstanding. His band mates were beyond reproach. Soooooo good.
Good move....wish we attended w/you! #DonFelder
I saw Don Felder several years. He was one of several people who were performing and he just stood out. Effortless and amazing performance.
@pauline7425
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I bet you got your money's worth ...
( That's if you paid anything at all, that is)
Good luck to you - I'll confess to being full-blown jealous...
Don Felder is somewhere laughing his ass off.
@@johnnydev9318 I think I paid maybe around $100. I can’t remember who else was performing but I know they were all world class musicians. He was on another level.
I’ve seen them twice; at the O2 in 2009 and at Wembley in 2019. At the Wembley gig we couldn’t have been seated further from the stage, so were relying on the video screens. For most of the Don Henley sung tracks, the screens went off. They were on for all the other songs. Make of that what you will! Hope you can still enjoy the gig 👍🏻
I believe that all artists should disclose if they are using pre-recorded vocal / instrumental tracks. Regardless of ticket prices the audience deserves to know what they’ll be hearing!
Gene Simmons was very outspoken on this topic and said the same as you a number of times.... right up until his bandmate Paul Stanley starting miming for their farewell tour. 🤣
I would demand a refund. Fil’s analysis is devastating for the Eagles’ integrity. They are stealing money from their fans under false pretences.
"Their fans?" Half of the people in that arena probably stole money from The Eagles by downloading or streaming their music, you think they care about their "fans"? EAGLES FANS? Oh this is even funnier: "Eagles' intergrity"!!! When did the Eagles EVER have any integrity? What fans? A bunch of geriatrics and their kids? If you pay for Geriatric Rock, you get what you deserve. £300? What jackass pays £30 much less £300 to see an 80 year old rock star?
@@TTM9691 I Take you won't be going then :o)
@@ggj666 Not unless someone pays ME!🤣
amerikans love to be fooled, they pay for it gladly. 😊😊
@@TTM9691Spot on!
Had been a lifelong fan of the Eagles and have seen them 3 times. After reading Don Felder's Heaven and Hell, I stopped buying their albums and no longer buy over priced tickets for their concerts.
Why? What did it say?
Also asking why, so I get a notification if there's a response.
Quite curious.
Dave, you're a very wise person
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@@DRourkI've read it too, great book. Henley comes off as a huge jerk, Glenn Frey was only marginally better. Let's put it this way, they only cared about money, and treated Bernie Leadon and Randy Meisner badly. Felder was also shafted. He had to sign a NDA so he can't talk about the settlement he got from the Eagles, but I reckon he was paid off millions, after all, he wrote most of the music for Hotel California!
Books from people who are parties to non-disclosure agreements are universal garbage. They can't say shit about the only stuff people are actually interested in.
I’m saw them back at in 2015. And I said to my wife the vocals were to good to be true, especially with their advancing years. It didn’t sound live at all to me.
So far no tapes from 2015 line up, so far the miming looks like it's been going on since at least 2017.
The Howard Stern thing was about 2015.....singing live in a dropped key.
I saw them in 2005 and was amazed at how much they sounded like the album. Maybe they were doing it then.
I'll be honest when we saw them in Florida and around 2004 I was skeptical at how good it sounded. I'm a bit of an audio file nerd and have their albums on high resolution formats. Their concerts sounded like a CD. Maybe they were that good then?
@@michaelkeudel8770 They've been relying on pre-recorded vocals to some degree since the Long Road Out of Eden Tour in 2008. Check out recordings of the track "Waiting in the Weeds" from that era, if you can find any.
Robert Plant did Stairway a month or two ago and couldn't manage it like he used to. But to his credit he did his best with what he had.
Then there's McCartney, does it in the same key and it sounds a bit strained. So it stands to reason that those who sound perfect must be having some help.
I don’t think McCartney mimes, but he has the band to beef up his vocals.
Unfortunately Paul Rodgers is the exception rather than the rule. That fella is still incredible live.
I thought Plant hated Stairway, I'm surprised he'd do it, and I'm not surprised he'd do it without the rest of Zeppelin.
Hey...maybe I can have a career yet. I love good music, just can't sing well.
@@deborahohme5578 Bob has only ever got the right note by accident. Thousands use Autotune and pitch correction. So go ahead, and make millions - loads of artistes haven’t allowed a small thing like a complete lack of talent to stand in their way!
Well done TJ, the DON has spies everywhere, you would think he is down to his last dollar, I always thought that people doing your songs is a great form of flattery, but the DON takes it as a personal attack for some reason, if it wasn't for Linda Ronstadt giving him and Frey a break they may never had of come to what they had became, he is strange.
Bowie was aware his voice couldn’t hit certain highs on song, so he would rearrange the whole song into something different and still sound great.
I noticed this too with his live performances. Many praise Freddie Mercury, but Freddie was all too aware of his limitations and at times couldn't hit the high notes, and like Bowie, would rearrange the song into something different and still sound great.
I saw Jackson Browne a couple of years ago in concert, and it was similar with him. He's lowered the keys of some songs and definitely sounds different singing then, but I really enjoyed it! I almost liked it better, the texture and expression of age is nothing to be ashamed of! It can be an asset!
Great observation about the key change from F to G. Adds to the case!
Yeah, it surprised me when I noticed!
Ah, you saw the Wings of Pegasus video too? Love their music, can't stand Henley. I wouldn't pay that much for a concert, I'd rather pay to see genuine, live music like what you bring to the venues. Yup, I see you did watch his video lol. Don't get a refund, if it's sold out, sell it for 4 times the price :)
Found the Republican.
Now there's an idea! I still want to see them though!
Micky Dolenz of the Monkees sings live and sounded great at least until his mid 70s, while Don Henley resorted to lip syncing.
Agree I saw Micky and Mike Nesmith in 2019 and Mr Dolenz was in great voice. To be honest he had one of the great voices of the '60s.
Nesmith and Dolenz came out here to Christchurch NZ around 2020, but they performed as "The Mike & Mickey Show" rather than trying to pretend they were The Monkees. It's ironic that a band that was derided for years as fake now has far more musical integrity than a lot of other bigger name artists.
@@terryhall3960 well said
Saw Purple live in 2006. Gillan didn’t attempt the high notes on Child in Time. He still did the song but he did the high note parts in his normal voice.
See the last Genesis tour, Phil Collins did something, struggeling in every moment, but he mostily failed, impossible to sing as it was before. Realities.
massive appreciation for your song at the end! What does his heartbreaking, I grew up such an Eagles fan and it took a lot to wean me away. Don has really outdone himself. your song is fantastic!😂
I would be interested to see if a refund is even possible. The irony of all this. Didn't Randy Meisner get fired because he couldn't or didn't want to sing the high notes in "Take it to the Limit???" Further irony would be if Henley and his legal team ended up with a class action suit for defrauding thousands of concert goers. P.S. I love your song. Take it to the limit indeed.
Your paying to SEE The Eagles, there's no contract other than for them to show up and stand onstage. If someone is that idiotic to pay £300 to see The Eagles, or any Geriatric Rock band, they get what they paid for. He SAW The Eagles. That's what we say right? "I saw the band at the club last night". I'm sure they were playing their guitars, so there you go, they played, they performed. No one got defrauded; you're paying to clap at people who have given you your life's music, not for them to pretend they're still 26 years old. If you're too stupid to know you're not seeing musicians in their prime, whose fault is that?
As soon as a band starts adding back up singers and extra keyboardists and percussionists and stuff like that - which all these bands have been doing since the 80s - you're already not getting the real article, what alternative reality have you been living in?
Re Randy Meisner, my thoughts exactly. Oh the irony!
@@TTM9691 you sound very angry, calm down!
@@goodshipharmony Angry? No, doofus, I'm pissing my pants with laughter! The complete opposite! You might want to focus on content rather than how people "sound" to you. And PS: Just because you're steeped in mediocrity doesn't mean I have to be. A person who pays money to go see "rockers" in their 70s and 80s, and then expects them to sound like the record, or even do a good show, are the most laughable pathetic half-wits to ever draw breath. Any questions, dopey?
£300 to watch a guy move his lips in time to a backing track? no way!
Seeing as how We Used to Know by Jethro Tull was plagiarised for Hotel California shouldn’t Ian Anderson be deciding on copyright strikes ?
Ian said he didn't mind, thought it was different enough with the different lyrics but yeah, I was shocked when I heard it for the first time recently, how close HC is to it. I played it to a friend who's a big Eagles fan, and he said "blantant rip off of HC!" until I told him the date of the JT song. He was also shocked.
Ian Anderson said both songs shared a very common chord progression, and didn't think it was worthy of a copyright case/lawsuit.
You people have become a stuck record.
Now there's a brilliant songwriter and musician.
Seeing as how there hasn’t been an original chord progression in a hundred years it doesn’t matter.
So you're saying Don Felder is a plagiarist?
I love the Eagles music, am a big fan of Joe Walsh, but refuse to see the Eagle without Don Felder.
The eagles wings were clipped years ago. Just get the audience to sing the high notes and give them a reduction in ticket prices for their efforts.
Good idea!
I played support for pop will eat itself in the early nineties. I was shocked to find that there was an 8 track tape deck behind the curtain. The keyboard player had masking tape on the kb, labelling the sounds, the whole band including the guitarist was miming. I was very tempted to pull the power on the tape deck. The only saving grace was that Adrian Sherwood was mixing. This has been going on for a very long time. Enjoyed your video and the song was superb.
Hi! I watched Fils' vlog about Don Henley miming also. I had been looking to book tickets to see Eagles in Manchester with at that time Steely Dan as support which would have been perfect. Anyway as we know they have been replaced by The Doobies which I would have been well pleased with. After seeing the prices of any decent seats £400 up I decided it was too expensive, nearly a 1000 for 2 tkts plus they could possibly be miming??? That killed it for me. Hope someone videos it the truth might come out??
Henley sang for real in Manchester -- he switched back to singing after he was caught lip synching
On a related note, did you see Paul McCartney's embarrassing effort to sing Let It Be at the Jimmy Buffet tribute. It was heartbreaking to watch. Please, loved you guys in the day but please recognize when the time has come to just let it be.
It was difficult to watch, but at least he can’t be accused of faking his vocals.
@sparkman1952 I'd rather have him sing it badly than lip synching. Elton John quit touring, it's not the end of the world.
Jesus, the guy is 81 years old. He was asked to perform at a tribute show. The last show he performed was 6 months prior. Who the hell can do anything like they used to, at 81? Vocals are tough at that age. His piano playing was perfect
@@malinwj1167 I appreciate he may have wished to appear as a tribute to Buffet, but a few sentences may have been a better choice. The eagles also need to stop. Time catches up with us all.
@@johnchance1959 Huh? He was Jimmy's friend and they bonded musically. It was a show of performances. He's not going to show up and not play
Hell yes. Get your money back as the Eagles are now officially dead. Fil busted their asses wide open, and I hope he causes them to lose millions.
Don't give ANYBODY money to be fake. Henley's a prick to boot. Let him go broke.
I wouldn’t pay a nickel to go see the Eagles now. They’ve made their money, and now it’s just a ruse.
Who or what is Fil? I agree with you.
@@Larrymh07 Fil, Wings of Pegasus a RUclips chanel that analyses songs and he discovered that the exact same audio appeared in a lot of concerts apparently.
@@guitarman704 Ah, thank you! I've seen it. It's a terrific channel.
Daltry got caught out at Glastonbury. During Won’t Get Fooled Again, he was busy complaining about the monitoring and ripping his in-ears out when the famous scream came in and he missed it.
Seems even the greats need a little help
Haven't seen that....must look that up!
Considering Daltrey’s age and the part that he’s doing, I would give him a pass. Henley is a vindictive, humorless anal wart that has nothing but extreme contempt for the fans.
A little help? More like cheating.
As a fan of the Who but not the Eagles, this one hurts much more.
@vanleeregan4644 I guess it is the new normal.
Great video. Glad I found your channel. Don’t worry about a bit of “production”-this lineup isn’t really Eagles! Without Frey, Felder, Meisner and Leadon it’s like the proverbial ancient axe that’s had a replacement head and a couple of replacement handles.
Excellent! GENIUS! Just discovered you, and I'm an instant fan and new subscriber. I love the song! And if Don Henley has any leftover artist in him, he'll love and appreciate your song, too!
Enjoyed that, thanks. Amused by your irritation at having to travel so far north 😮 The journey many of us have had to do in reverse so many times, because artists only played London! You can do it ‘The Long Run’ 😅 I hope you will post a review.
Ha yes....I guess I am being a bit of a southerner there! I always thought bands would do some gigs in the south and some in the north.....I can imagine it's annoying if they only do London. I live near Brighton so I have to go "up north" for almost everything.....but Manchester takes a lot longer than London!
Been trying to get a refund for 2 weeks we spent 700.00 and with the hotel it's near on 1000 ticket master do not want to know,so we are in a pickle the eagles are a disgrace when you have people like Jon bon jovi thinking of giving up completely because of voice problems and not wanting to taint his legacy speaks volumes for the man
Well until you consider that JBJ just equally screwed everyone with a new album that is done majority with AI programmed vocals selling it as legitimate and also as the cherry on top is selling copies that are "signed" but the signature has been proven to be a machine signed signature because they all are the same or have just a few variations to try to not get caught. He's a disgrace too
Its kind of ironic. Don takes down fan covers because he feels its cheating him even though he would get revenue from it, but then cheats the fans miming and by charging extortionate prices to see the Eagles Live! Live means singing live to most people. Yes, we are seeing them in the flesh, but its no more than a top of the pops production if they are just going to mime.
I have no problem with singers dropping down songs so in their older age they can still sing them. In fact i would prefer that to miming.
This brings me to the whole pitch correction thing.
Its understandable to use it in the studio. An artist has been flogging his voice through an album of songs and maybe he just didnt make it on the odd lyric so a word here and there just needed a tweak.
But, now we have live pitch correction where artists use it live all the way through the song or they mime.
This is because the industry has created a great competetive monster. One group sounds 100% perfect, so in competition they all have to sound that good. Result is, when anyone hears someone singing live and maybe a bit pitchy here and there, weve all been brainwashed into being judgemental.
The fact is, hitting a note pitchy or flat now and again, is part of true singing. I personally like to hear it worts and all. It shows the artist is putting his soul into it rather than sitting back and letting a machine do it for them.
I think by the Eagles miming and not disclosing this, i would feel somewhat cheated at the price they are asking.
On a side note, Walsh is forced under Dons contract to mime, but sings live on his independant non Eagle performances, or so ive heard.
As for your cover of Hotel California TJ. Don Felder wrote it, so not sure how Don Henley gets off taking people down over it. But then they sacked Felder unfairly anyway as he was a share holder in the Eagles but thats a whole other story.
Bottom line after all my ramblings is. I would probably still go as the Doobie Brothers are f***ing amazing and would make up for the Eagles cheat show. So enjoy, and let us know how you feel after the event. 👍
I agree about them dropping the keys.....they're all great singers....i'm sure they still are....just a bit lower!!
the nail in the coffin for this being true was when one line had a drop out in the recording, the second recording would perfectly fill in the gap from the missing line.
I went to see the Eagles and Steely Dan in February 2024 in New Orleans.
Great show but whilst watching, my first thought was, how do these old guys manage to sing so well and hit these high notes, especially Joe Walsh who can hardly talk clearly these days let alone sing.
A few weeks later, a friend sent me a link to Fil's Wings of Pegasus and that convinced me then that they were in fact miming.
It kind of explained it to me, now it didn't really bother me, I had paid $150 but I was sitting in the gods but it was still a great show and a great experience.
I had just seen a great band who I grew up with.
On another note, last year I saw the Beach Boys in Albuquerque, the remaining two members, Mike Love and Bruce Johnston, 81 $ 83 years old respectively, now I knew that they couldn't sing all their old songs and neither do they pretend to, they have backing singers reaching all the high notes, another great show but the ticket price was only $75 which I was happy to pay to see them knowing that they needed assistance in singing.
As for the £300 you've paid plus the 5 hour drive (two ways), I guess it depends how much you want to see them but I doubt they'll give a refund on the premise that you think that they are miming.
As said, it is a great show, sadly Henley doesn't even stay on stage for some of the songs, doesn't drum that often and it does seem as though this is a last money making tour for them all, so they really don't care if they are caught out miming.
Enjoy the evening if you go.
Thanks! Shame I won't get to see Steely Dan like you did!
I wouldn't be surprised if Vince Gill is still singing live. He's about 10 years younger than Don, Timothy and Joe.
Steely Dan in 2024? Isn't one of them dead? Donald Fagen had to cancel shows because he had to go in to the hospital. What are you possibly expecting? And PS: it wasn't a "great" show. You went and saw two cover bands pretending to be The Eagles and Steely Dan. There are no "great shows" coming out of these people anymore. First off: the audiences suck! Who wants to go to a rock and roll show with a bunch of rich people, fat boomers with their obnoxious kids pretending they're at a real rock concert? I was given tickets to McCartney a few years ago, I was embarrassed.
@@johnwoods2736 The last time I saw Eagles was the first tour for Vince Gill. I know for a fact he was singing live because he flubbed the opening line of 'New Kid In Town' so badly that they stopped and restarted the song.
Then why the heck would you pay all this money and drive 5 hours to watch somebody lip syncing a song? On top of that the Eagles are arrogant jerks.
I wouldn't go if it was me. In fact I've given up seeing any big artists just because the cost have started to get really silly, especially when there are loads of local/cover bands you can see at a fraction of the price without travelling and who are genuinely playing/singing. This "miming" issue just puts another nail in the coffin as far as I'm concerned.
Live performances over the years have transitioned from hard-core musicianship to simply entertainment. It's now more about the show.
I loved the eagles spoof video. Well done. Nice 335
Thank you very much!
I don't know why anyone expects older singers to sound the same as when they were 20. Of course their voice deteriorates gets lower, less flexible, vibratos turn into wobbles etc. The vocal chords are part of the body - they age in exactly the same way as the rest of the body - they're not uniquely ageless and immortal...
I'm going too. I'm 33 and have never seen the Eagles live, so as a huge fan of them I was extremely excited to get a ticket for this, despite it costing me £200. 'Was' being the key word. I'm not so sure I'll enjoy it now having seen the videos on RUclips exposing the miming.
Seeing the Doobie Brothers will be cool, and the bits of the Eagles set that aren't mimed (if there are any), but to not hear Don singing Desperado, or Hotel California, is a huge blow.
I'm travelling a much shorter distance than you and have paid less, so I really feel for you. I am absolutely gutted.
Don Henley is back to singing after being exposed lip synching. I could tell from videos of 2 Manchester concerts on 5/31 to 6/1.
@@fluthyhehim66 I went on Friday and the gig was amazing. Assumed he was still lip-syncing for some tunes, but he wasn't doing it for absolutely all of his vocals, I don't think.
Even back in their prime.....going to an Eagles concert wasn't much different than putting the album on and listening to it. They always played their songs exactly as they were recorded for their album. So ...i guess they might as well mime it. 🤔🙄😆
I wouldn't blame the Eagles, but you'd be right to lament the world. Tracks is accepted now (I guess) but IMHO it invalidates the whole point of seeing a band live - removes the possible tension of 'bum notes' but completely removes any sense of that magic moment when music happens. Very few people can do this seamlessly (GrahamNash!!!) but did you hear Joni Mitchell not quite able to reproduce her early work at the gig last year? It was breathtaking.
Nice channel! Just discovered, liked and subscribed. Even shared! 👍🎸
Your singing, playing, and composing are very impressive, TJ, especially your ability to adopt a convincing Southwestern U.S. twang when singing. I'm from the Mid Atlantic East Coast and I couldn't do that as well.
Maybe the Eagles should take a leaf out of the ABBA gig - go completely virtual. Personally, I wouldn't pay £300 for a mime act (or for a 'virtual' one, for that matter); hell would have to freeze over, first. That's a cheeky song you've done there, BTW... guitar sounds sweeeeeet!
I wouldn't pat 3 cents to see the Eagles.
I spent the money to see Steely Dan but now can't get a refund because they were the support.
The Eagles died with
Glenn Frey ~
No before that, whenthey f×××××× Feder over. No when Henley insisted Randy Miesner sing his high part in Taking it go the Limit, and it hurt his throat. What a shit head.
And when Felder left the band.
Frey was even more of a tosser than Henley
I saw them a few months ago in Austin with Steely Dan. The Eagles have always been my favorite band, and I have seen them in concert several times. This one felt strange from the start. Vince Gill, who is amazing, seemed to headline the show. Don was primarily in the background. I love Don and believe he is one of the most amazing singers and songwriters of our time. They didn’t even show him up close too much on the video screens. It as an enjoyable performance, but I won’t go see them again, not that there will be that opportunity. I left disappointed. It’s kind of heartbreaking. 💔
bruce dickinson doesnt lip sync as he forgot the words to stranger in a strange land at nottingham last year and sang the chorus again , he got daggers from the rest of the band
Brilliant....Bruce is a great singer.
Paul Rodgers (Bad Company) mixed up the words of Burning Sky yet was fine with it to even include it on the live album. And . yes, he still sounded good.
Bruce puts his pants on just like the rest of you, one leg at a time, but then once his pants are on, he makes gold records.
Saw the Eagles in Melbourne Australia just before COViD and they were definitely live.... fantastic concert.
I remember in the 60's when I went to RSG ( Ready Steady Go) everything was mimed.. I played many gigs without even a guitar lead...Lucky for the audience...
I think I wouldn't mind that so much ....it's kind of expected!
Never seen Gillan mime the high 'A' part in Child In Time, usually he stuck to the lower scream and the keyboards/guitar did the high part alongside him.
Wonder what Glen Frey would say,also Deacon Frey's opinion on this whole fiasco i recon Henley has reached the end of the rope
I would be miffed - especially at that price. I saw Fil's video a few days ago which is why your video was recommended to me by You-Tube. Honestly, you may as well watch them at home on your big screen TV.
Fil's video is excellent! I'm glad I went anyway, and I wouldn't have spotted they were miming....they're very good at it!!
I have my serious doubts about Roger Daltrey's scream at the end of Won't Get Fooled Again being done "live" nowadays. A lot of the time when on TV they cut away from him on that scream.
Of course he's not! What do you expect? Why would anyone be surprised? You're paying to SEE them. If you pay for some 80 year old to sing Won't Get Fooled Again, or Hey Jude, or anything else, and you expect them to sound like they did when they were 20, then you're a moron! People are just now starting to figure this out? All these bands have been doing this since the 80s and 90s! Why do you think they all added back up singers and percussionists and keyboardists and second guitarists?
I bought the Eagles' first album within one week of release based on an excellent review in the musical press. I was not disappointed. I saw the Eagles live at Wembley in 1975 (~50 years ago). Again, was not disappointed.
I saw them in 2011 and I hope they did sing live. I won’t bother to see them now. I am a Joe Walsh fan and Vince Gill fan, but don’t like Henley.
When Rush performed 2112 live they tuned down a key to accommodate Geddy's current voice because they respected their fans.
I never go to concerts of those old bands, groups or solo from the 1960's-80's. They will not be the same. Performing & Music is all they know. It's great to support them & maybe meet them. RUclips is the only way to see & listen to our favorite music & idols the way they used to be..🎶🎸🎙️😘✌️
.....yup, and RUclips doesn't pay them, so they have to go and tour and charge high prices. And if people don't know that going in, then they deserve to get ripped off. Totally agree, I never go see older bands anymore, I was given tickets to not one, but two McCartney shows a few years ago and it was a drag.
I love the Eagles! Teaching grandson that they are the best band ever, yes even the Beatles. Would I still go hell yes. Would I be pissed that Henley was miming. Yes. Come on Henley you would be pissed too
When I saw the Eagles supporting Neil Young and Crazy Horse 1973 in Liverpool , 3 pound for tickets, things have got crazy, it's only the Don Henley band now, only original left
My son was just in a 'Got Talent' type of singing contest where the judges assigned him songs and then docked him points if he couldn't sing in the original key. So ridiculous. For example, he's a baritone and they saddled him with Michael Jackson's 'Beat It'
There is video on RUclips of the Norwegian band A-ha singing their iconic song "Take On Me " at the end of one of their shows and keyboard player comes in too late and then the backing track is out of time and you hear all the backing vocals and the high pitched notes on the chorus playing. Sounded awful
Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull has had vocal problems for years. When I saw his 50th anniversary tour of Jethro Tull he had an on-stage singer handle the parts he could no longer reach. It wasn't a perfect solution but it was better than pretending.
On the other hand I'm a fan of BabyMetal and their shows always sound great. A bit _too_ great. But I see them for the dancing more than the sound. I'm willing to have "auditory enhancement" because the three dancing/singing members give a visual performance. Where do you draw the line? Do you want to pay $300 for truly live music that sucks? Movies have special effects and now concerts have them too.
I mimed back in the day - and paid the price. :D
Being the only keyboard player in our band it wasn't really possible to play Evie part 2 live as it had Piano and Strings, so fuck it, I pre-recorded this using midi and just pretended to tap the keys.
Well, two of my cheeky band mates (Pete & Nick if you ever read this) sauntered over during this part and grabbed each of my arms off the keys and there I was, busted, so all I could do is laugh with them as the music played on. I wouldn't change that moment though, it was a great scene and memory all these years later.
I saw them but, apparently, I didn't hear them.
Its your money/ Screw Henly anyway for all the lawsuits. Nice tune with the titles.
I saw Phil’s discovery a few weeks ago. Really blew up this topic.
Dont be gutted buddy.. Just go and enjoy the whole experience.. I went to see Kiss 2 years ago, who are notorious for using tracks n miming parts, but boy what a show and i loved it
Who wouldn't want to give the audience, the people listening & watching. Fans & families. connected by their souls motions, hearts a bond strangers & there at a preformance...LIVE Concert or an actual live performance
I visited Ottawa, Canada in 2022 and there was a local bar that had live music several nights per week. They had blues one night, jazz another, bluegrass another, etc. I'm convinced that all the music I saw was live. I would rather support real musicians and singers that perform live for the price of a few drinks or a meal than fork out hundreds to see a big name act miming.
I saw the concert on 31 May. I recorded Don singing Desperado and have just played it back. I watched the Howard Stern clip - there are distinct differences so it definitely isn’t that vocal. However the performance looks as though Don is genuinely singing. If Joe Walsh’s performance was mimed I’d be very surprised. So for me this was genuine…oh and by the way I bought two tickets for me and my beloved and they cost £612 each!
Great solo and we all know Don is a prick!
I am so old I remember when Joe Walsh joined the Eagles. Never even knew of a song they did. He is the Real McCoy all the way. He is a team player though, so he would do what ever Glen or Don wanted while performing with Eagles.
great stuff. you sing and play very well. it's a long trek to rainy town. i hope you enjoy the travel there and staying over. it's loadsa money for a loadsa heartache t'night. i like joe walsh, he's funny and entertaining. i saw them live in scotland many years ago. it were great mate.
Don Henley sang for real at the Coop Arena in Manchester (after he was caught miming)
Rod Stewart does drops keys. E.g. Do you think I'm Sexy has dropped 2 tones from D to Bb. I know cos I played it in a band for years learning from original, Went on RUclips to watch a live version from 2022 and The key had dropped right down! You can find the original on YT and his latest live concerts and find out yourself. I can't speak for other songs but I'd assume there are more. Don Henley apparently has a team of 90 people to track down any snippet of his songs anywhere online - He is ruthless.
I saw the Eagles concert in 1994. Best concert I've ever been to.
The Eagles will never be what they used to be.
Yeah, and they weren't even what they used to be in the 90s! lol So of course they're not at their best....in 2024! Totally agree. And that includes ALL of 'em. The Who, Paul McCartney, The Stones, the whole lot of 'em. People are so stupid.
Saw Hell Freezes over show in Huddersfield 1996.
A great show by more or less the classic line up.
Wouldn't go out of my way to see them now, especially at that price
I really enjoyed this...I can't imagine going to another concert of my favourite singers or groups if they mime..that's disgusting.
Yikes £300 is a lot! I saw The Eagles back in '94 during The Hell Freezes Over Tour and I think I paid $100 and I thought that was too much back then ... and they were all alive back then! 😁 I tend to like live performances because of the nuances of the actual performance. Not because it will be an exact replication of the recorded music. So I wouldn't be satisfied with a mimed performance. But that is just me.
I was there last night. Paid £80 for perfectly good seats and thoroughly enjoyed two Iconic bands.
Brilliant...Brilliant.
Ive seen the eagles live, they were amazing. Now i feel cheated.
I have seen Phil's video and it was very interesting. Could the similarity in vocals from different nights be explained by Henley having a vocal from one night playing in his ear buds so he can match it that way?
Nope. He then used Michael Jackson singing the same line during a recortding session to show that each time was different.
I paid twice to see them, largely because Steely Dan was supposed to open. Both times, at the last minute, they pulled out. The Doobies were as good as the Eagles. The second time, because Fagen pulled out so abruptly, they shoved Vince Gill out there to open. He was wonderful, but I was still gutted. But...the Eagles were fantastic both times. Don was definitely -- mostly? -- singing live at both shows ( lol -- as far as I could tell), but Joe Walsh, both nights, stole the show. What a gem. Don is just a sour guy. Still.
Nuts , paying that to see them just cashing in. Saw them last time they were over here and they were fading fast.
I just hope they are not playing at the Co-op arena! Too pricey for me anyway for one real Eagle that mimes.
They're supposed to be.....got a month for it to be finished or it might not happen at all!
We must not support them .If they cant sing anymore and be honest about it they must retire.
LOL. Who are you kidding, Sandy, you're not "supporting" them and haven't supported ANY artists since streaming and downloading came in? That's why they're touring, as a cash grab since they don't get paid from royalties anymore. Duh! The "fans" ripped off the bands a long, long time ago, they don't owe anyone a thing. You pay to see the band - "I saw The Eagles last night", see how that sentence works? - and I'm sure they strummed their guitars, so they performed according to the contracts. If someone is too stupid to realize that someone in their 70s or 80s can't sing like they used to, they deserve to get ripped off.
I saw the Eagles last year here in the States. Great show, but very perfect. Hmm…I wonder why? The Doobie Bros were the backup, & I have to say they were better than the Eagles. They were really enjoying playing & having fun with the audience. Have a good time, & yes, in my opinion, Don is getting some help.
Most big acts/bands have been using backing tracks or pre-recorded tracks in concert for decades. All they need is a laptop and to push the "enter" key. Milli Vanilli and Ashley Simpson were ahead of their time.
I went An Eagles concert in Peterborough some years ago in a place in Bridge street. Nobody turned up, allegedly stuck on the M11 after a car crash. Very odd situation, got my money back luckily.
Saw them pr coving in Leeds they were awesome 👌 😊
Is Vince Gill miming too,He should be ashamed of himself
I don't believe he is......he is still a great singer.
@@iamtjwalker yes a fantastic singer,
Vince’s vocals are live.
@@ericmarshall963 Vince is about 10 years younger than Don, Joe, and Timothy.
I’m from Nashville and have seen him many times. He is still putting on live shows without help. A natural voice that has aged well.
You spend quarter of an hour slagging them off then say should I have spent 300 quid to see them miming......I saw them when Glen Frey was still alive and I thought they were just going through the motions
I saw Jethro Tull last week. Ian Anderson's voice is ruined and the temptation to sync must be there, though I imagine it's harder to get away with in theatre sized spaces, but to his credit he resists the temptation and does his best. Having said that, singing with a backing vocalist or even bringing in a new vocalist and sticking to playing might be preferable.
Also I saw Genesis on their last tour. Phil Collins was clearly struggling but to his credit did not take the easy way out.