Fire Alarms of the Gadsden Hotel | (Hotel Impossible)
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- This video has been long overdue and I hope you all like it. It's all the fire alarm parts of Hotel Impossible season 3 episode 3 at the Gadsden hotel. The system consists of a 1978 Firelite Panel with BG-6 Pull stations and "Firelite Fire Light" Horn lights. (Sadly the light in the one in this video must have burned out) Hopefully, you all enjoy!
Dedicated to NewAgeServerAlarm
Dang thanks for 2k views guys!
We were able to sneek a pic of new panel I posted on Intagram if you like I cam send to you
@@brianthetowerguy979 I looked on google maps. It’s a 4010es facp. As far as I know the original horn and pulls are still there
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so they replaced it? I wonder where they put the 1978 firelite panel 🤔
Can I have the link this full vid
That is a literal fire hazard. Turning off the master switch to the emergency fire system. You can literally get shut down for this. It’s completely unsafe to have the master system off. Why didn’t the fire marshal see this?
Why the hell does the master switch even exist in the first place?!
@@Ih8kone looks like someone added it to the panel
Fire alarm panels since the 1980s lack a master switch.
And to mention using an elevator as the fire alarm is going off. Even if you are testing an alarm or doing a simple drill could LITERALLY stop the elevator. I remember in school it happened. A person who is physically disabled in a wheelchair and the person pushing the wheelchair got stuck. There's those tracs that are now mandatory in all schools in case of fire
@@alberterickson4614 a school I went school doesn't have them and instead they rely on teachers and or students to get the kids down safely
Watching him lose it over the lack of safety in this hotel is unironically entertaining
I mean who wouldn’t?
I feel that dual projector horn mount really fits with this kind of light.
This is at once the funniest, saddest, and most frightening thing I have ever seen.
Mostly Shocking for me!!
Never turn off the master switch. Always keep it on at all times.
y does it exist tho even?
@@IHeartAGMpresumably for servicing and replacing/adding new devices so technicians can work on the system without it being energized, but without having to switch off power to the whole building. In normal service though, it should always remain on.
@@IHeartAGM It likely didn't when that panel was made: it's an aftermarket toggle switch some unknown person added for an equally-unknown reason.
Those alarms would scare the shit out of me in elementary school. Those bowtie looking things. They were so, so loud.
That bowtie thing is just a projector. It's screwed on a horn. The projector doubles the sound and spreads it throughout the hall.
We had that exact same fire alarm in my junior high school in the early 1990’s. Scared me half to death when they’d go off!!
@@californiadude999 The Wheelock AS introduced in 1995 is the first horn strobe to feature a code 3 tone. It's just as loud as a system sensor spectralert advanced but, with a slightly less earsplitting tone.
@@davidperry4013 Simplex's conventional multi-candela TrueAlert horn/strobes are just as loud, too.
Turning off the switch to the fire panel at a hotel can be deadly if there is a fire and the alarms don’t work everyone’s lives will be at risk within seconds. At the beginning of the video I thought that hotel is pretty much a death trap if a fire breaks out. I am glad that the fire alarms worked after the switch was turned back on. Working smoke alarms and fire alarm save lives.
As someone who works on fire alarm systems, given the size of this building, its age, and I assume it does not have a sprinkler system, the entire alarm system should be replaced. The system is not able to communicate with the fire department as it's a local alarm only, and there is no proper zoning/location identification of the alarm in that building. There also does not appear to be any automatic detection (smoke&heat detectors). It's also clearly not meeting any modern NFPA72 notification appliance codes. So yes, the alarm works, but if a fire started, it could still be catastrophic even if that alarm works, as the system does not meet any new fire codes.
It's been replaced since this episode aired back in 2013, I don't think they actually expanded it any though as far as device count.
is there a video of the system or a photo?@@TheCarson116
Its far more reliable than any modern system will be, you can add a communicator on it which will be cheaper.
Why? That system is rare and more reliable than most modern systems. It's better to modify it.
Source? I really hope it wasn't replaced.@@TheCarson116
“Can I ask you a question”
“You can ask me two questions.”
I like how this man thinks.
5:03 His reaction to her stupidity is priceless🤣
If the fire alarm doesn't work, there has to be someone on fire watch on each floor. There has to be a floor warden. This is criminal!
Fire alarms and their systems always give me massive anxiety.
I did a lot, but this system I wouldn't mind. The bells were what really triggered my anxiety back then. But it was not knowing when they were going to go off, until I learned that about 3 or 4 seconds before the alarm goes off, there are doors held open by magnets which shut off when the alarm is about to go off. It was my pre alarm warning and my teachers would ask how I knew the alarms were going to go off. I just smiled and said it's my secret being a little butt I was back then.
Watching him at 2X speed while losing his mind is nuts
I did it and it was a lovely sight to behold
This is better than most fire alarms at my school.
Fr they literally give me a heart attack whenever they go off
It's better than 99% of modern fire alarms.
Wow! That is a super rare and old fire alarm!
Fire alarm old it 1980
@kermitthefrog092 no.. its made by fire-lite
@@lukep4339most fire alarms were rebranded FS Alarms. Take some old AC fire horns, some are rebranded Federal Signal Vibratone 350's. It might be branded Fire-Lite, but they're rebranded fire horns from Federal Signal.
To be exact: the light (the big wedge-shaped thing that says "FIRE" on two sides) was made by Fire-Lite, the horn was likely originally made by either Faraday or Federal Signal but rebranded by Fire-Lite, & the projector (the bowtie-shaped thing underneath the horn, which is on the bottom of the light) was made by Federal Signal.
@@TheCarson116 Not faraday, It's a Federal Signal 450D B4 series Vibratone horn.
Thank you I thought I was the only one who knew the master switch for the fire panel was off.
For what it's worth, the coffee-and-donut chain I work for just spent roughly $1M on renovations to my store. The dead emergency lights I've been complaining about for three years finally got replaced, but the work crew severed wires going to three zones of our burglar alarm, and the fire marshal approved us to re-open. At that time, our smoke/heat detectors were tossed loosely into one corner above the suspended ceilings, so virtually useless (at least they were still wired-in), and we only discovered where they were when the alarm monitoring company came to repair the three burglar alarm zones in Trouble mode and their crew wondered where all the detectors went!
Can't blame him I'd be a bit upset too
Pretty cool that they have older alarms, though it's quite a shame things are not well maintained.
Think imma start calling pull stations fire boxes from now on
please no
So this man is the Gordon Ramsey of commercial building and occupant safety????
Pretty much, yes
Yes, lol
I _do_ think it'd be a good idea if Anthony took fire & life safety into account more with each hotel he'd go to... _if_ Hotel Impossible was still being produced.
This would’ve been a good hotel hell episode. Ramsay would’ve given the owner a ripping!
also the manually controlled Otis elevator.!
I'm failing to understand why a fire alarm system even has an off switch anyway. That doesn't seem right. A fire alarm is a safety feature for the building to warn for a fire. That horn sounds pretty loud too.
well it old system and guess back then they allowed to have them off if they need to do any repairs that could set it off by mistake. It clearly needed updating anyway since it can't even send signal to the fire department for fires as it local only alarm also likely can't detect any fires only go off if someone pulls the handles.
For serving/work
@@Awesomewolfpic Yeah. A mod can easily be added to make it call
I know for a fact that that's an aftermarket toggle switch that _someone_ added to the panel for _some_ reason: why I don't know but as demonstrated the fact that it was left _off_ that whole time thus disabling the entire system was _very_ dangerous.
Let me clarify on what that double horn is on the bottom of the fire lite light.. That is a dual projector (Simplex 2905-9907) on the bottom of the fire lite light, The Dual projector (Simplex 2905-9907) is attached to the horn on the bottom of the fire light lite (usually simplex 4050s)
Um no. It would be Firelite branded horn and projector
@@FourtyFiftyEighty Ah, I looked at a little more and yes, You're correct, Thanks for the headsup tho.
The actual triangular light on the very top is made by Fire-Lite, we know that for sure. The horn underneath I'm not sure about but it's probably a Fire-Lite rebrand of a Faraday or Federal Signal horn. The dual projector on the very bottom is a Federal Signal PR2.
@@TheCarson116 it would be a firelite model not a federal signal or faraday. Whole unit was sold together by firelite
@@FourtyFiftyEighty Technically speaking Fire-Lite's "wedge horn/light" is made up of three different components as I said: the light, which is made by Fire-Lite, the horn, which is made by either Faraday or Federal Signal & most likely rebranded by Fire-Lite, & the projector, which is made by Federal Signal.
1:00 lmao it’s already pulled
those BG-10 vintage pull stations are cool
BG-6 you mean
@@NoahHyser yes, i sometimes mix up BG-6 with BG-10
@@FireAlarm225 ok
I wonder if theres an update to this video
After Howie Mandel was yelling at the manager, he huffed out of the hotel to scream his head off while the manager ran to the restroom (presumably to cry).
To me this is what happens when you use Jon taffer and Howie Mandel together.
Idk if it's for a joke
But I'm sure you know it's Anthony Melchiorri
@@thechannelofrandomvideos789 Oh yeah it's a joke.
@@mysticmorgan8688 lol alr
Proof them old fire alarms keep going and going just had an idiot who didn't know how to turn it on.
I love the intro
That hotel is deadly.
Those Fire alarms are Very important
What is the horn alarm like
What do you mean, the make/model?
This building shortly after the episode had the system replaced with a Simplex 4010ES
Yep. I heard the panel got replaced, and the old Fire-Lite horn/lights got replaced with TrueAlert horn/strobes, but they kept the BG-6 pulls. Wouldn't surprise me if they also installed TrueAlarm detectors.
Pretty sure they did
@@ZakWolf Yea, I saw this In person last night. I was wondering about what they did. (Since Floors 2-4 are still blocked off) They did not bother to add devices into the Lobby and 1st floor and Kept the Household smoke detectors for that section. There are fairly new Extinguishers in the occupied areas though.
@@midkansasrailfan8995i knew it. This system was not completely up to code, so they had to replace it
Thats so sad and uneccasary
every fire alarm enthusiast when they see a fail:
why even turn off the fire alarm?
I would replace whole alarm system to update with modern techolongy
They did replace it after this, with a Simplex 4010ES fire alarm system.
That is a 0 iq decision lol
I wonder why. A mod isnt that hard@@ZakWolf
The super nanny of hotel safety 😂😂😂
Words cannot explain big picture how many things are wrong here! The fire marshall should’ve shut that place down a while back! So many people need to be put in check here. Unreal.
I wonder if that system is still there and alive. Even they did get it to work again. I wonder if they ended up upgrading it.
Nope on the first part (but yes on the last part): sometime between 2013 when the Hotel Impossible episode was aired & now the Fire-Lite C-series panel was replaced with a Simplex 4010ES & the horn/lights with TrueAlerts. The BG-6s are still there from what I've seen though. While it's unknown what happened to the horn/lights, the C-series panel was put on display in the hotel's museum room, where it still resides.
I have the same panel in my apartment and who knows if my landlord has tested the system the system is a 4 zone panel. I’m trying to find one. My local fire department did get in-touch with my landlord and they are requesting documents of if the system has been tested or not and he has no alarm company.
@@brandonkonicki2177 It _should_ be tested to ensure it's working properly, as this episode of Hotel Impossible demonstrates. I'm pretty sure it's still grandfathered in under current regulations, but if it's ever replaced I *implore* you to save it, as it's _extremely_ rare: I only know of *_4_* in existence, _including_ the one at your apartment building. If you don't need/want it or don't know what to do with it, send it to a fire alarm enthusiast who will take good care of it.
yeah no
@@TheCarson116 They should have used System Sensor P2R horn/strobes
I like how Howie Mandel knew how to reset the alarm system
And is an expert on fire panels! Did he become an NFPA certified fire alarm technician after St Elsewhere went off the air?
That thing looks old even for '78. Didn't CPU's begin making their way into panels around that time?
I'm sure they did but a lot of this technology still relied on relays because they we're probably more dependable (at the time). You kind of have to stick with what works for the time. Modern fire suppression systems of course have PLC or SCADA to manage it.
Those older systems were very simplistic, relying on a single wire loop per zone with NC (normally-closed) or NO (normally-open) contacts across each connected device, completing an electrical circuit from the panel through the loop and returning to the panel. A pull station, smoke detector, heat detector, etc. activation causes the normally-closed contacts to open (or vice-versa). The panel "sees" this and reports that zone as being in Alarm, and activates horns/strobes/bells/automatic phone dialer, etc. (This is a very basic explanation...)
Simple, yes; but it worked, and simplicity translated into long-term reliability. Troubleshooting was easier than today's more-complex systems, although it must be said the more-complex systems offer massive safety benefits.
Source: As a child in the 80s, I helped my father install Simplex fire alarms in local schools. The only thing I did really was running to get tools, reporting on panel indicators, or retrieving spools of wire, but I learned a lot by asking questions and reading the Simplex factory documentation. I still have smoke and heat detectors, a few horns, a bell, and a pull station or two (with replacement tubes) kicking around in the basement from this era.
I’m surprised the fire department doesn’t inspect the fire alarm system annually.
Who knows why the Gadsden's system went so long without supposedly being inspected honestly: if it had that toggle switch flipped to "OFF" might have been discovered & corrected.
When was the elevator last inspected and certified?
Do they have light strobes on those horns?
The big wedge-shaped thing marked "FIRE" at the top of the alarm is a light.
A hotel that size with only one horn?
There could have been more elsewhere that they didn't show. Why the original system had so few notification appliances (& even with the current system that's still somewhat the case) I have no idea: seems like a complete violation of common sense to me.
@@TheCarson116 Fire codes were much different in 78. And those mechanical horns sound at a frequency that could wake up a whole block of patrons in the hotel.
@@landonlefevre5167 Good points.
Why was it turned off? like who thought turning off the alarm system was a good idea? Also, i'm very happy to see a 1970s fire alarm system still working just fine.
Someone probably activated it for whatever reason and then didn't know how to reset it (and a lot of the pull stations aren't reset either), so they just shut it off.
@@harrisongrant8558 Yep: typical cheap shortcut that ends up putting everyone at risk (it's just a good thing no fires occurred in that time!).
The elevator and the fire alarm's mere appearance is enough to give me complete anxiety and would make me leave that hotel so fast and fuck whatever money I had.
Is there a video that their is a new system in the building?
What's the story behind this?
Where do I find the full vid plus that if this was found by the fire department or law-enforcement, I’m pretty sure she would be going to jail because I’m pretty sure if I’m correct this is a crime
What fire lite bg model pull station is that
BG-6
@@ProtoV33MK1 Ok
His reaction is funny 🤣🤣
Noticed the Fire box (firelite bg-6 pull station) was already pulled and they tried to pull it again even though it’s been activated already lol
It’s literally a hex screw to reset it but you do you lol
He broke it, its not ment to be pulled that far
Bruh she turn it off
very interesting
5:00 “do not use the elevators
"Attention"
352 comments at the time of writing and nobody in here stopped to think for a second that this is all staged, it's reality TV folks. He probably flipped it to off to set up the story for the scene.
just by how the production this was, i never really thought it was that real either
It's Spelled GADSDEN
Pffffff nah………
Cool
bro is the gordon ramsey of fire systems
Who would turn that switch off
Who knows honestly: in any case that & no one turning it back on until Anthony did left the Gadsden with _no_ functional fire alarm system for at least a few _decades!_
Maybe if someone was doing maintenance and didn't want to get electrocuted a long time ago and forgot to flip it back on???
@@SW99836 that's a possibility
Stop being so dramatic that she probably don’t know how to work the device man she probably don’t know how to work the panel you do you know how to work it but you but she does it so you need to take it easy on her instead of trying to still try to blame her for that
Wish the volume was higher as its almost to low to hear at all.
What horn is on that
It's an fire-lite fire light.
If you mean just the horn, it's likely a Fire-Lite-rebranded Faraday or Federal Signal AC mechanical horn (you can tell it's AC due to it "buzzing"), not sure of the model number though.
How could she be so ignorant knowing the fire alarm system wasn't working and didn't do anything about it? Especially all she had to do was turn the switch from off to on.
And no functioning emergency lights on the 4th floor? That floor was a death trap. She's lucky nothing had happened on her watch
1:37 bro he broke the bg6, there not supposed to pull out that far
It got replaced anyways so.. :(
@@IvanTimber Supposedly not: according to a few Google Maps photos the BG-6s are apparently still there. They'll outlast any modern pull station given they're metal anyway (at least if they're not replaced. They also don't have the later BG-10's design flaws too).
It does not work because its already pulled
If several pull stations hadn't been activated by Anthony prior to him finding the panel (& subsequently flipping the power switch on) the horns would not have sounded: if the stations are reset the system should go back to normal, therefore it _does_ work as it should (which is what Anthony was exasperated about: the fact that the manager of the Gadsden never found the switch & turned the system on; the fact that _one little switch completely disabled_ a system designed to protect/save lives).
Brother i work there 😂 we don't got them anymore and fire extinguishers are up to par
Oh was that 450d on firelie lights
Essentially, but it was the fire-lite version in the A1 series
The exact model of the horn shown is unknown, however it's likely a Fire-Lite-rebranded Faraday or Federal Signal AC mechanical horn. The lights however _are_ made by Fire-Lite.
Does the smoke alarms work in this building at least and are interconnected to every other room of the hotel ?
Also elevators should also be on recall
We have no idea if the Gadsden has smoke alarms in the rooms or elevator recall (though it's probably too old to have the latter).
probably doesn't even have any
@@grg-productions wow this building is a peace of work
@@grg-productions Might, might not, we don't know for sure as of now.
What's the outro songname?
I just watched this to know what it was
I’m a fire alarm professional and I’m gonna be saying all the problems with their fire alarm system.1 they didn’t have their e lights in service I bet they don’t even have heat/smoke detectors.2 their fire extinguishers tags are way past due.3 their pull station is ether actives and they forgot to reset them or their broken.4 they need to replace their fire panel because it was in stalled in 1972 and they didn’t even their fire on and it didn’t have back batteries and even if they did have back batteries they would probably have dead batteries. So their probably shut down.
You clearly arent a professional if you think a rare 1970's panel should be replaced when it can easily be modded
@@Warp3326 I'd say that in any case it's better to replace it with something new both for the safety of the building occupants & so the original panel is preserved in its original/current condition.
It's funny that I have a panel almost identical to that.
Nobody asked bimbo
Mhm: yours is actually one of only _three_ C-series panels known to _exist!_ (or at least three I know of)
Wow
he wasted his time and also broke the bg6 1:32
I'm sorry but that hotel should have been updated a long time ago.
Maybe, but it got updated after this episode aired (or at least the fire alarm system did).
The elevator should not work when the fire alarms are activated
That elevator is way too old for that, so old in fact that it has to be manually driven ! That's right, no buttons ! You can see the manager holding a lever when it moves. Also nowadays these kinds of manual elevators are either just for show or for staff only.
@@imaginox9 yeah your probably right.
Instead of Kitchen Nightmares, its Fire Alarm Nightmares
1:32 uhh pal I think you over did the “fire box” 😒
OEHHHHHHHH
The spring in that one is likely broken or loose: if it is you can pull the handle out further than you would normally be able to.
das ist ja mal echt heftig
They should get a new fire alarm system.
They did, probably not long after this episode aired (in fact as shown in this video they had Wildcat Fire Protection come out & take a look at the system. Wildcat either most likely replaced the majority of the system's components over the period of a week or two (including the panel), or they simply ensured the existing Fire-Lite C-series panel would work when needed & then had the system replaced at a later time).
@@TheCarson116 interesting.
@@Davesand2003 ya think?
@@TheCarson116 its a 4100es
@@vintagesimplexfirealarmsof6440 No it's not: it's a 4010ES, as evidenced by the smaller cabinet it's in.
If this was Gordon Ramsey or that prick from the Bar Rescue show, they’d shit their pants and go Super Sayian on the manager.
How is he a prick?
LOL an off and on button for a fucking fire alarm genius
That switch is an aftermarket one that was likely added by some third-party after the panel was manufactured & installed (who & for what purpose I have no idea though).
That alarm is called a “fire-lite fire light” bruh
That's what NewAgeServerAlarm called it at least, though he was somewhat joking as their true model number or name is not known.
The amount of code violations are a serial number
They should've just turned it on right after the box and alarms were installed.
They likely did, but then somewhere along the way someone installed that aftermarket on/off toggle switch & it was turned to the "off" position for whatever reason, which disabled the entire system.
They need to modern everything in that hotel the fire alarms and the elevators
No they belong in a museum. They're relics
Nah keep the manually controlled elevator, as said, they're heritage from our past and should be kept in a museum
The fire alarm system was replaced sometime in between 2013 (the air date of this Hotel Impossible episode) & now.
@@TheCarson116NOOOOO, I hope the old equipment was saved!
@@IvanTimber I hope so too: I know for sure the panel was saved given at least one photo of it can be found on the hotel's Google Maps listing if you look long enough.
Something wrong with that lady she's probably been doing drugs I don't know what's going on her head but she was probably doing drugs or something cuz a normal person wouldn't act like that
Why was he so mad that the fire alsrm were off
Because it puts every occupant of the hotel under a risk of death ! Imagine a fire caught on in a room. If there's no fire alarm, the only way to tell people is if there was someone awaken in the room who saw that and is running around screaming fire and knocking on every door. But if there's no one in the room, or that the occupant is asleep, then it would be way too late when someone else will notice and alert the people
Yep: a non-working fire alarm system can't help anyone (& is _very_ dangerous for that matter).
@@TheCarson116 oh i understand
@@imaginox9 Oh you’re right!
1:40 he broke it, I hate him 😑
The alarms are Fire-lite BG-6'S, Fire-lite lights with Federal signal 450D with dual projectors.
It’s not broken lol. Spring pobably just came undone
Panel is a fire-lite C-series. Very rare and old!
@@FourtyFiftyEighty thank God!
@@FourtyFiftyEighty hopefully that’s it
Why do they even have a power switch don’t need them for fire alarm systems
Yes you do. For servicing and work
@@Warp3326 I work for a security company personally, and that is 100% under code violation, we unplug the bells then we plug them back in after we check the devices
Someone added it: it's an aftermarket toggle switch that the panel likely wasn't made with.
Dont use the elevators during a fire either.
Are these still there?
Much of the system aside from the pull stations was replaced at some point, however the hotel's original 1970s-era Fire-Lite C-series panel can be found in the museum room.
@@TheCarson116 is there still some of the horn lights
@@theray2009 As far as I know no.
Why did they remove the horn lights???@@TheCarson116
That's one big hazard
I’m a former Firefighter, this is extremely dangerous and almost certainly illegal.
bro fr how is this not my school they got gentex SHG's and a couple of them dont have strobes on them like 5 do but its been there for a while so they obviously dont care but if your deaf like i mean..... WHAT DO YOU DO (if your in that area)