i remember people complained for all of tbc that horde having paladins and shamans being on alliance completely ruined the game and there was just no point in playing anymore. all lore ruined etc etc etc. It's the same exact thing every year. every expac. every new bit of content.
I started WoW a year ago, and I felt the same way as this person. I did not feel like playing anything else. It’s different now, but when the WW comes out, that feeling may return. I think I got so into it because I hadn’t played an MMO like that before, and it was a fresh experience with a TON of content to dabble in.
I was a long time player since Wotlk, including a high world ranking raider and parser for years. I quit and skipped most of WoD after launch and most of Legion after just being burned out and feeling like the game just wasnt any fun (i also lost my long time guild mid MoP after i took a break from raiding, leading my 10 man guild to disbanding). I returned to the game in Shadowlands season 4 and was having an absolute blast. I got addicted super fast again, in a good way - it felt like i was a kid again. Super excited to play nonstop. This time, I did it different. I told myself that i'm not focusing on optimizing or rushing. I leveled a new character from scratch despite not needing to, a dwarf paladin, and absolutely loving it (i also never played paladin before). I understand that by S4 many of the issues of Shadowlands (except the story) was fixed already, but i was loving it so much. Eventually, i got into pushing myself again but pugging everything and playing really well and at a high level, mostly muscle memory, both in raids and M+ and pushing for more. But even then i was just having a really good time. I loved most of DF as well, but kinda burned out last year. I returned a couple months ago and was having fun, but i feel some sort of paralysis by analysis about what to play for TWW and keep bouncing between which classes to level and trying to finish my current goals on my main etc. Im overthinking again. Im overdoing again. Its time for me to quit until launch starts, and have fun again.
From reading Newcomer chat, there's actually at least a lot of new people coming in, and I know a lot of younger people from my guild coming in. We may think it's false, but it feels legitimately like a new crowd is kinda discovering the game now.
oh yeah, LOTS of WoW's playerbase is Jaded, hilariously so. hell, most are so Jaded they quit the game and they haunt the comments section of WoW videos, claiming that they have moved on.
It is certainly a matter of perspective. For many veteran WoW players, the game is more like a second life than a way to pass the time. Players become jaded because they become deeply invested in the game after so many years of playing, while at the same time they've played the fun out of it. For those of us that had that first-time-playing-WoW experience 20 years ago, it's easy then to forget that the game is actually fun still. It's not the same game that it was back then, but it is still WoW. It still elicits that sense of wonder for new players that veterans haven't felt in 20 years. So when we see a post like this, the immediate reaction is that it has to be fake. The idea of modern WoW being enjoyable goes against the perception of it being not what it used to be for veteran players, Who really just want the game to be so good that it gives them that same feeling they had back in the day. At the end of the day, we love this game. We want to see it succeed and we want to enjoy our time on Azeroth. It certainly has its problems and its blemished, but such things are not permanent. The game will continue to change. If we want to see it change for the better, we will need to do our part to make it a welcoming world for new players.
Tbh and I've played for many years with a break to save my marriage 😮but I've enjoyed every expansion literally at face value and not tried to get too deep into others opinions rather being happy to make my own mind up. Yeah there's been a few hinky bits over the years but damn if we ain't all still playing even tho a good 75+% of players apparently hate the game with a passion which is probably the hinkiest thing of all. I love and have always loved the way the game offers several ways to play from solo, to dungeon and raid romping and kicking the fuck out of each other in pvp. Plus the fact that the RPG gamers have been able to build their communities (no matter how weird and depraved some of them are). It's like a big multi pack of crisps really. Most of the flavours you'll like, a couple you'll love and one or two you'll just not like. So what do you do with those ones you don't like? You don't eat them. So if you don't like a part, avoid it if you can or all of WoW then don't waste your money and time playing. Or Just be a Dwarven King and keep filling in your book of grudges 😂😂😂
Blizzard made a great MMORPG but from release day 1 the WoW community was not a MMORPG community. Maybe 20-25% of the players came from DaoC, SWG or Everquest and were actual mmorpg players but the great bulk of them were RTS and Diablo players who hadn't the first clue of what an mmorpg even was and had likely spent some time ridiculing such players in the past years. However their loyalty to blizz forced them to join this new venture, even if only for the lore. So the well was poisoned from day 1 and resulted in the toxicity we see today because although the game was an mmo the community never really was a mmorpg community, it was mostly loot hungry, hypercompetitive etc types coming straight from Diablo, a community that was altogether toxic in its own right already. Blizz though, to their credit did a great job and the lore and pageantry of it did indeed immerse these not at all mmorpg type players and they were hooked, but the community never had a chance. Even today, twenty years later you can see this in the way people play, use their UI and in the social dynamics of the game, but if you were never really a mmorpg type of gamer you can't even see this. The best the WoW community has ever been was during the closed beta, if only because anything could change on a daily basis, nothing was certain so FOTM and min/maxxing etc was irrelevant. Original vanilla was quite nice as well b/c these Diablo'ers were quite literally blown away by the product, they were in awe and so largely neutralized. Also there was no formalized PVP system for a long time during initial vanilla so these maladapted would be mmo'ers had nothing to do that was their accustomed style of interaction and play, maybe this was intentional I don't know, but what I do know is that in the long run Blizz's attempt at "domesticating" their previous RTS/Diablo player base failed and here we are.
The funny thing is that I meet people who haven't played a lot of games I played when I was a kid and they play them and find the same joy I did when I was a kid, and not even the quality stuff in the past but like half of the bargin bin junk and rentals I would get for the PS1 by my cheap dad when I started beating games faster then my birthday/christmas would roll around.
Remember the crazy four years when the WoW forums were FILLED with players swearing that BFA was the best expansion ever and that Island Adventures and Warfronts were great and players didn't know what they wanted and didn't appreciate the work Blizzard put into the best expansion ever... and then those same people pivoted into SL being the best expansion ever and that Torghast and Covenants were great and the players didn't know what they wanted and didn't appreciate the work Blizzard put into the best expansion ever and that Korthia was the greatest and largest expansion zone ever and flying was the devil....
I am new to wow and blizzard games. I started wow 6 months ago, played hearthstone for the event, and nothing else from blizzard outside of warcraft 2 a few decades ago. I wouldnt say wow is the worst game but blizzard is doing the worst job with it maybe second only to KSP2. Im still a dark souls player at heart though and keep going back to it and similar games.
idk, I've been playing wow since TBC and I still love it, yes it's had its ups & downs...some downs lower than others (SL), I guess I just manage to find a way to have fun in the game even when its not doing well lol.
Far past jaded imagine matchmaking queue system that steals more time from your collective player base than the average human life span and still keeping your job. Remove the infinite dragonflight from game design roles please.
That post is pinnacle of fake, likely AI though I can see it being just staged. I enjoy games but even games I love I wouldn't ever see myself going off THAT much in that way on a game I enjoy. It's far to artificial feeling to be something that is someone's real feelings.
Not only do I have roughly a dozen games I currently play, I regular refuse to play Wow when it continues to resemble the disposable shit show this game is.
Don't be so silly. If you've never played the game before, the core game mechanics, class variety, the rhythm and pace of WoW's combat - it'll make that initial impression strong, even if you're playing in a bad expansion.
i have quitted wow the game is just doomed both because of blizzard losing all its talent and having a bad mindset and the ultra toxic players that keep supporting bad things and are against good things and do a lot of trolling. most mmos have better communities and even most wow private servers are not as toxic i have no explanation why its like this. i used to think it was because of the changes in cataclysm but now that doesn't seem to be the case since the official classic got quite toxic too yet private servers and other mmos with similar game play to modern wow are not as bad so it just makes no sense. i tell everyone to try out other mmos and not just the ones everyone else is talking about. like i like lotro now a lot of people say its bad but its really not it has a good balance between old school design and modern design and it has some features that are not in wow but it lacks some others but i tried out ff14 it was too linear and casual for me. then i tried Albion online it was too far in the other direction you just had to grind random things and do pvp boring so i found this random game and enjoyed it. but you should try and check out many mmos an maybe you will find something much better than wow if you try enough games most are free or have a trail and have low system requirements.
The problem with wow and a lot of online games in general is that you can't play them like games anymore. You have to be on all the time. And there's so much foma behind everything that when you Miss A day. You feel like you miss sound. That's not how gaming supposed to be. It's supposed to be a pastime for when you have nothing else better to do. It's not supposed to be a 24 hour lifestyle.
You guys are jaded AND cynical lol It's one of your turn-offs. Sometimes you guys go way beyond to shit on the game when you obviously enjoy the shit out of it :P
Fresh 70, stood on the waking shores and let 5 mobs hit me until I die, it took almost 6 minutes. I don’t feel rewarded when I defeat a monster because they truly are no threat. That’s one of my biggest issues with modern wow.
If this person genuinely does enjoy the game to the extent that they do then good for them. How about we not put this person down for their enjoyment of the product and ajust be glad that they do enjoy it even if we might not enjoy it as much…
yeah those are all the new generation of wow players who have started in Shadowlands that are just constantly brown-nosing just how good retail is and that they've never had more fun in ANY other video game. I had to experience the same shit when i decided to give dragonfail a chance after skipping on chorelands and joined a guild of people only consisting of thse types of players. You can try however you want, but you will never be able to convince them that the old formula of wow has been better and not this clusterfuck of 4 different currencies PER PATCH for gearing nowadays and the literal copy pasting of "community fill the bar events" is just boring and lazy as shit. I even told them 1 year in advance that i knew that blizzard tasted blood, after doing the Fated Season in SL (which Ion tried to convince us that this was only because of Covid and the lack of Manpower in the company back then), that this will be the new "Standard" for wow content releases, which is literally just Blizzard releasing 1/4 less content for the same if not more box price of an standard 4 patch cycle expansion, like they did BACK IN THE DAYS. And what happened? yeah you guessed wrong, they insulted me for talking such nonsense and spewing "false" information about stuff i have no idea about, yet i had played this game since 2007 and they only started in 2020, and that i should just stop being such a "doomer". And now HERE WE ARE! Fated Season 4 and future expansions being only about 1 year instead of the usual 2 years, with 100% less content and even then having fated bolted onto them at the end just so that they need to develop even LESS content per full box price expansion.
They obviously can. It's modern WoW. The game will never be brutal or masculine again. I'd say the new audience chose what gender they want pretty easily.
I think you mean the exact opposite: This is the first generation to actually choose the gender they know they want to be, and to some people being mad about that becomes their whole personality.
@@henrychurch6062idk feels unfair when they get to choose but we couldn't go back in the day with nobody supporting us. It's like when gaming nerds getting bullied in school but now that it's cool suddenly those same bullies turn around and say, they've always been gamers despite that being a total lie.
Been playing this game for near 20 years and WoW players were jaded then too lmao, its never going to change
Agreed---I'm the guy who made the Does Blizzard Really Hate Paladins series around 2007-2008, and even _before_ I made that, players were jaded!
Back then the biggest problem was the overpowered Shaman.
i remember people complained for all of tbc that horde having paladins and shamans being on alliance completely ruined the game and there was just no point in playing anymore. all lore ruined etc etc etc.
It's the same exact thing every year. every expac. every new bit of content.
yea they became like this on day 2 but things started getting way worse in wrath and especially cata
@@belstar1128 I dunno; I think players liked WotLK, though there were some complaints about it being too easy compared to TBC and Vanilla.
I started WoW a year ago, and I felt the same way as this person. I did not feel like playing anything else. It’s different now, but when the WW comes out, that feeling may return. I think I got so into it because I hadn’t played an MMO like that before, and it was a fresh experience with a TON of content to dabble in.
Those people are the new audience for WoW. It makes complete sense.
I was a long time player since Wotlk, including a high world ranking raider and parser for years. I quit and skipped most of WoD after launch and most of Legion after just being burned out and feeling like the game just wasnt any fun (i also lost my long time guild mid MoP after i took a break from raiding, leading my 10 man guild to disbanding). I returned to the game in Shadowlands season 4 and was having an absolute blast. I got addicted super fast again, in a good way - it felt like i was a kid again. Super excited to play nonstop. This time, I did it different. I told myself that i'm not focusing on optimizing or rushing. I leveled a new character from scratch despite not needing to, a dwarf paladin, and absolutely loving it (i also never played paladin before). I understand that by S4 many of the issues of Shadowlands (except the story) was fixed already, but i was loving it so much. Eventually, i got into pushing myself again but pugging everything and playing really well and at a high level, mostly muscle memory, both in raids and M+ and pushing for more. But even then i was just having a really good time. I loved most of DF as well, but kinda burned out last year. I returned a couple months ago and was having fun, but i feel some sort of paralysis by analysis about what to play for TWW and keep bouncing between which classes to level and trying to finish my current goals on my main etc. Im overthinking again. Im overdoing again. Its time for me to quit until launch starts, and have fun again.
The player says he/she likes Shadowlands, it maybe a give away that it may not be real person.
We're so jaded they built a serpent statue out of us in Pandaria.
Hey! I was in guild grumps, it was a great guild.
I couldn't really get a read on where you stand with game grumps.
From reading Newcomer chat, there's actually at least a lot of new people coming in, and I know a lot of younger people from my guild coming in. We may think it's false, but it feels legitimately like a new crowd is kinda discovering the game now.
oh yeah, LOTS of WoW's playerbase is Jaded, hilariously so. hell, most are so Jaded they quit the game and they haunt the comments section of WoW videos, claiming that they have moved on.
It is certainly a matter of perspective. For many veteran WoW players, the game is more like a second life than a way to pass the time. Players become jaded because they become deeply invested in the game after so many years of playing, while at the same time they've played the fun out of it. For those of us that had that first-time-playing-WoW experience 20 years ago, it's easy then to forget that the game is actually fun still. It's not the same game that it was back then, but it is still WoW. It still elicits that sense of wonder for new players that veterans haven't felt in 20 years. So when we see a post like this, the immediate reaction is that it has to be fake. The idea of modern WoW being enjoyable goes against the perception of it being not what it used to be for veteran players, Who really just want the game to be so good that it gives them that same feeling they had back in the day.
At the end of the day, we love this game. We want to see it succeed and we want to enjoy our time on Azeroth. It certainly has its problems and its blemished, but such things are not permanent. The game will continue to change. If we want to see it change for the better, we will need to do our part to make it a welcoming world for new players.
I also started at the end of SL season 3, played SL season 4 and DF season 1 and season 3 a lot.
Tbh and I've played for many years with a break to save my marriage 😮but I've enjoyed every expansion literally at face value and not tried to get too deep into others opinions rather being happy to make my own mind up.
Yeah there's been a few hinky bits over the years but damn if we ain't all still playing even tho a good 75+% of players apparently hate the game with a passion which is probably the hinkiest thing of all.
I love and have always loved the way the game offers several ways to play from solo, to dungeon and raid romping and kicking the fuck out of each other in pvp.
Plus the fact that the RPG gamers have been able to build their communities (no matter how weird and depraved some of them are).
It's like a big multi pack of crisps really. Most of the flavours you'll like, a couple you'll love and one or two you'll just not like.
So what do you do with those ones you don't like?
You don't eat them.
So if you don't like a part, avoid it if you can or all of WoW then don't waste your money and time playing.
Or
Just be a Dwarven King and keep filling in your book of grudges 😂😂😂
Blizzard made a great MMORPG but from release day 1 the WoW community was not a MMORPG community. Maybe 20-25% of the players came from DaoC, SWG or Everquest and were actual mmorpg players but the great bulk of them were RTS and Diablo players who hadn't the first clue of what an mmorpg even was and had likely spent some time ridiculing such players in the past years. However their loyalty to blizz forced them to join this new venture, even if only for the lore. So the well was poisoned from day 1 and resulted in the toxicity we see today because although the game was an mmo the community never really was a mmorpg community, it was mostly loot hungry, hypercompetitive etc types coming straight from Diablo, a community that was altogether toxic in its own right already. Blizz though, to their credit did a great job and the lore and pageantry of it did indeed immerse these not at all mmorpg type players and they were hooked, but the community never had a chance. Even today, twenty years later you can see this in the way people play, use their UI and in the social dynamics of the game, but if you were never really a mmorpg type of gamer you can't even see this. The best the WoW community has ever been was during the closed beta, if only because anything could change on a daily basis, nothing was certain so FOTM and min/maxxing etc was irrelevant. Original vanilla was quite nice as well b/c these Diablo'ers were quite literally blown away by the product, they were in awe and so largely neutralized. Also there was no formalized PVP system for a long time during initial vanilla so these maladapted would be mmo'ers had nothing to do that was their accustomed style of interaction and play, maybe this was intentional I don't know, but what I do know is that in the long run Blizz's attempt at "domesticating" their previous RTS/Diablo player base failed and here we are.
The funny thing is that I meet people who haven't played a lot of games I played when I was a kid and they play them and find the same joy I did when I was a kid, and not even the quality stuff in the past but like half of the bargin bin junk and rentals I would get for the PS1 by my cheap dad when I started beating games faster then my birthday/christmas would roll around.
Remember the crazy four years when the WoW forums were FILLED with players swearing that BFA was the best expansion ever and that Island Adventures and Warfronts were great and players didn't know what they wanted and didn't appreciate the work Blizzard put into the best expansion ever... and then those same people pivoted into SL being the best expansion ever and that Torghast and Covenants were great and the players didn't know what they wanted and didn't appreciate the work Blizzard put into the best expansion ever and that Korthia was the greatest and largest expansion zone ever and flying was the devil....
I am new to wow and blizzard games. I started wow 6 months ago, played hearthstone for the event, and nothing else from blizzard outside of warcraft 2 a few decades ago. I wouldnt say wow is the worst game but blizzard is doing the worst job with it maybe second only to KSP2. Im still a dark souls player at heart though and keep going back to it and similar games.
idk, I've been playing wow since TBC and I still love it, yes it's had its ups & downs...some downs lower than others (SL), I guess I just manage to find a way to have fun in the game even when its not doing well lol.
The MMO-Champion forums are full of people who spend more tjme viciously defending retaild than actually playing it.
No one with human intelligence wrote that post. Also it very well have been written by a person.
Life itfucking self has become jaded. And its only going to get worse with newer generations.
Far past jaded imagine matchmaking queue system that steals more time from your collective player base than the average human life span and still keeping your job. Remove the infinite dragonflight from game design roles please.
Retail wow is an old game. Doesnt matter if its still being developed. Its old
That post is pinnacle of fake, likely AI though I can see it being just staged. I enjoy games but even games I love I wouldn't ever see myself going off THAT much in that way on a game I enjoy. It's far to artificial feeling to be something that is someone's real feelings.
Found one
year 2024, when you troll people by saying you like WoW
Wow players may be jaded? Ya dont say lol
Not only do I have roughly a dozen games I currently play, I regular refuse to play Wow when it continues to resemble the disposable shit show this game is.
The fact that they mentioned Shadowlands being fun makes me wonder if they are actually a Wow Player.
Don't be so silly. If you've never played the game before, the core game mechanics, class variety, the rhythm and pace of WoW's combat - it'll make that initial impression strong, even if you're playing in a bad expansion.
A bad wow expansion is still lightyears in terms of quality, ahead of even some of the best games in the genre.
i have quitted wow the game is just doomed both because of blizzard losing all its talent and having a bad mindset and the ultra toxic players that keep supporting bad things and are against good things and do a lot of trolling. most mmos have better communities and even most wow private servers are not as toxic i have no explanation why its like this. i used to think it was because of the changes in cataclysm but now that doesn't seem to be the case since the official classic got quite toxic too yet private servers and other mmos with similar game play to modern wow are not as bad so it just makes no sense. i tell everyone to try out other mmos and not just the ones everyone else is talking about. like i like lotro now a lot of people say its bad but its really not it has a good balance between old school design and modern design and it has some features that are not in wow but it lacks some others but i tried out ff14 it was too linear and casual for me. then i tried Albion online it was too far in the other direction you just had to grind random things and do pvp boring so i found this random game and enjoyed it. but you should try and check out many mmos an maybe you will find something much better than wow if you try enough games most are free or have a trail and have low system requirements.
This sounds completely AI written.
The problem with wow and a lot of online games in general is that you can't play them like games anymore. You have to be on all the time. And there's so much foma behind everything that when you Miss A day. You feel like you miss sound. That's not how gaming supposed to be. It's supposed to be a pastime for when you have nothing else better to do. It's not supposed to be a 24 hour lifestyle.
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You guys are jaded AND cynical lol It's one of your turn-offs. Sometimes you guys go way beyond to shit on the game when you obviously enjoy the shit out of it :P
#shadowlands was #2 after #Legion 16 coven sets with 4 variants, thats content
Fresh 70, stood on the waking shores and let 5 mobs hit me until I die, it took almost 6 minutes. I don’t feel rewarded when I defeat a monster because they truly are no threat.
That’s one of my biggest issues with modern wow.
Try to do the same thing in a mythic dungeon. The difficulty of the game is there. You are just searching in the wrong places.
If this person genuinely does enjoy the game to the extent that they do then good for them. How about we not put this person down for their enjoyment of the product and ajust be glad that they do enjoy it even if we might not enjoy it as much…
If enough people enjoy it for what it is, it wont become what I want ever again.
@@mogalixir Classic is there for you
yeah those are all the new generation of wow players who have started in Shadowlands that are just constantly brown-nosing just how good retail is and that they've never had more fun in ANY other video game.
I had to experience the same shit when i decided to give dragonfail a chance after skipping on chorelands and joined a guild of people only consisting of thse types of players.
You can try however you want, but you will never be able to convince them that the old formula of wow has been better and not this clusterfuck of 4 different currencies PER PATCH for gearing nowadays and the literal copy pasting of "community fill the bar events" is just boring and lazy as shit.
I even told them 1 year in advance that i knew that blizzard tasted blood, after doing the Fated Season in SL (which Ion tried to convince us that this was only because of Covid and the lack of Manpower in the company back then), that this will be the new "Standard" for wow content releases, which is literally just Blizzard releasing 1/4 less content for the same if not more box price of an standard 4 patch cycle expansion, like they did BACK IN THE DAYS.
And what happened? yeah you guessed wrong, they insulted me for talking such nonsense and spewing "false" information about stuff i have no idea about, yet i had played this game since 2007 and they only started in 2020, and that i should just stop being such a "doomer".
And now HERE WE ARE! Fated Season 4 and future expansions being only about 1 year instead of the usual 2 years, with 100% less content and even then having fated bolted onto them at the end just so that they need to develop even LESS content per full box price expansion.
STOP HAVING FUN!
@@MrCarlWax NO U!
Why did you join a guild in a game you hate and tell the players there to stop having fun? Like what was your Goal here?
@@GioFan201051the words bitter and sad come to mind.
I am a player from vanilla and the currency system replacing valor or whatever is great actually.
this new generation dont even know what gender they want to be...how can they pick a game to play?
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They obviously can. It's modern WoW. The game will never be brutal or masculine again. I'd say the new audience chose what gender they want pretty easily.
I think you mean the exact opposite: This is the first generation to actually choose the gender they know they want to be, and to some people being mad about that becomes their whole personality.
@@henrychurch6062idk feels unfair when they get to choose but we couldn't go back in the day with nobody supporting us. It's like when gaming nerds getting bullied in school but now that it's cool suddenly those same bullies turn around and say, they've always been gamers despite that being a total lie.
@@mogalixir "brutal or masculine" lmao wow touch some grass please