I think what made Cena great WAS the polarity and the way he embraced it. Regardless of how WWE presented him, he had a portion of the crowd that viewed him more like a monster heel and I don't think it's giving him too much credit to say I'm sure that was on purpose.
That's revisionist history. He was a bland character, nobody cared about him. He was basically a jobber....and then he became a rapper. Everybody LOVED the rapper gimmick. Then he got moved over to Raw, on the USA network, and Bonnie Hammer (USA Network executive) said she wanted John Cena, but she didn't want rapper John Cena. And that's when people started booing him. They weren't booing him saying that he sucks, and always had sucked. They were saying this new non-rapper version of him sucked. This was also about the time he started winning 101% of his matches. That's when it changed from being "We miss the old you" to being "This new you sucks so much. Please get off my TV screen." And the two changes happened back to back within a year of the switch. In 2004 he's still a rapper, getting cheered, and by mid 2005 he's getting boo'd. But the new character appealed to children. That's when fruity pebbles John Cena was born. Half the crowd (women, and children) cheered him, while adult men bood him. Bobby Lashley ALMOST followed a similar path, but he didn't have the emotion of the fans loving him at one time. So he just came off more like Lex Luger. Then for a few years the same thing happened with Roman Reigns, before the bloodline. But at no point did we boo John Cena in a cool way. We didn't boo him because he was supposed to be a heel. We boo'd him because he was ruining our enjoyment of the show. I think John Cena the person is an AMAZING person. I think John Cena the character is quite frankly the most boring character that's ever been on WWE. He took all the stakes out of every story he was ever in. The reason people were so frustrated by the Nexus angle, is because FINALLY something interesting happened on WWE after 7 years of boring shit. And then John Cena removes everything interesting about it. It could have been as big as the NWO. Instead it's luster lasted about a week.
Highly doubtful. I'm sure it became the plan once hating on Cena became a meme that grew upon itself, but the original plan was for him to be the next Hogan. It was Vince's greatest (booking) sickness outside of the Attitude Era, it happened time & time again, his top guy had to be a Hogan ripoff. Don't fool yourself into believing WWE wanted a polarizing top guy. If you offered them a reality where Cena was unanimously loved & cheered they'd have taken that in a heartbeat.
The Miz for me and many others. I thought he was a reality t.v hack and didn't belong in wrestling and wasn't that good. Over the years, he has proven time, and again, he is one of the most consistent entertainers in WWE.
The Miz is one of my all time favorites, he's like the exact opposite of Dolph Ziggler. Both are all time greats at what they're good at. Miz has charisma that makes almost anything he is doing interesting, even if he's an average in-ring performer. Ziggler may be average on the mic, but he is one of the greatest in ring workers of all time.
I agree with all of these except the blood line. Bloodline was good till they replaced all of them but SoSo Sikoa. Now it feels like that group of bullies in highschool that cant help but get involved in everyones business and can never do anything of worth without their cohorts getting involved.
I will say I was wrong about tiffiney, I thought her in ring was sloppy and she needed more time to get better on the mic, this tiffy time personality she has started has completely done a 180 on me and she ended up being my pick for MITB(that she did win) she understands her character and is surprising me everytime she gets in the ring now. Her improvement should be studied
See I thought differently and still do. I felt no one in the Nexus at the time was good enough to beat Cena alone or as a group. I was in my mid to late 20s at the time, the full Nexus thing felt to hard pushed.
Tom Brady cheated and the rest of the sports world just refuses to acknowledge it. Cena was slightly different than Hogan but one day I hope we get a book about how he really was backstage. I didn’t think he sucked because of skill, far from since I can’t recall anyone getting injured with him, it’s that he buried other stars from having a chance of even growing. He was in the way when WWE could have been using him like they did during his US title invitational.
Hard disagree. The entire next year Roman didn’t need the title. He could have gone paranoid psycho about being the tribal chief and had his match with the rock. I just don’t give WWE points for panic damage control booking.
@@Bman32x but instead we got one of the best years of WWE TV, an awesome Wrestlemania main event and some amazing matches lined up soon like Cody vs Rock, Rock vs Roman, Roman vs Solo.
@@tuanmohdarfantuankhusairry2977 no that’s stupid. Fans said it was the worst decision in history at the time. We then got one of the best years of WWE. Therefore the fans were wrong lol… yeah I guess maybe there’s a small chance WWE could have equalled it with Cody as champion (even though I’m not sure about that); but you still wouldn’t know and it doesn’t take away that the fans were wrong about the initial outcry from the finish, that’s my point.
One things WWE fans and detractors get wrong. They bring a lot of the bad and/or unwanted outcomes. Case in point, people “wanted” Finn to win the title vs Seth, question? How am I ,as creative, Supposed to believe that if every time we try to get him to cut a promo y’all drown him out by chanting Seth’s theme song
Give Finn Balor a catchier theme song? Either way it's one thing to be over cause of your song and another for people to want to see you on top as Champ, personally I don't like Seth's visionary character but I respect he's a great worker
I didn’t think they should have brought punk back into wwe after what had happened in aew. I thought he would just do the same thing and it wouldn’t be worth the risk. But boy was I wrong it’s be fantastic. Even if it falls apart from here it will have been worth bringing him back just because of this feud with drew alone. And as I write this they haven’t even had the match yet.
I still think that Super Cena did more harm than good. It basically established the generation of wrestlers after him were nothing more than mid and KO was the only one who survived his culling. Outside the ring, Cena was the greatest for WWE
The thing with Cena was you saw the effort in the other wrestlers: choreography, variety, even their struggles against the company not choosing to reward their hard work. Early Super Cena was too busy with PR that his matches had 0 effort - take some offense the hit his usual 5 moves shtick ... even Goldberg tried out new moves from time to time.
I think I'm the only person on the planet who dislikes Simon Miller--- the RUclips guy. The person? Well obviously we know he is a genuine good dude. The aspiring wrestler? Hell yeah, really enjoying the "journey" But I'm not sure even Bizarro and Superman are as opposite as my thoughts & feelings on our sport and Mr Miller's lol
Brock was with Sable (who stuck around for a few months in WWE AFTER he quit and whose firing may have had SOMETHING to do with that relationship, knowing Vince), so he was actually walking out ON his..."personal life". 🤣🤣😘😘
The problem wasn't that Cena won all the time, rather that 1) He was first pushed as the WWE champion at a time where he wasn't the performer he would become even just a couple of years later, over guys that were way better than him, and that people respected after years of grind 2) His character progressively lost its edge, but still maintained his cruelty 3) He kept winning matches that he either could afford to lose or that his opponent needed to win 4) Even when he lost, he treated it as anything but a big deal, making his opponent's accomplishment pretty much meaningless Point 1 is actually a similar problem to Roman's. His push started when he still wasn't ready (he was even less ready than John, because at least John knew what his character was meant to be), and the fans "conveniently" ignored his major improvements that happened in the span of a year in the ring and on the mic.
also to insure his stature and popularity, anyone who gained any momentum. vince squashed. ryback, nexus, punk, sandow, ryder were all depushed, jobbed out, or not focused on as their momentum threatened cena's. vince tried real hard to do it to bryan only for it to backfire.
@@stingrey1571I thought that was few of Vince best ideas, Nexus was bad, ryback was a rubbish wrestler, punk was just as bad, Sandow wasn't ready and should of never been put in any big match, Ryder was nothing more than a jober, I don't think they tried to kill DB push, I think Vince was doing it to make fan's believe that's what's happening. Then kept making it harder for DB so the fan's would get behind him even more and then in the end given them what they want.
•Bret screwed Bret (just put HBK over bro😂😂) •Brock should’ve beat the Streak •Austin heel turn was correct (Rock going heel was cliche, Event just shouldn’t have been in Austin hometown ahahahah)
If John Cena came back today and was booked the same way he was from 2007-2013, people would hate him all over again. Don’t let your nostalgia goggles cloud your mind.
I almost miss the pre network/ peacock days. Instead of ordering the ppvs I would go to Buffalo Wild Wings to watch with a whole crowd and I'd always start the dueling "Let's go Cena!"/ "Cena sucks!!!" Chants. Good times
Ever notice that the narrative on John Cena changed when he stopped being a full time wrestler and was not on TV each week? Coincidence? Of course not. He was shoved down our throat and now that is no longer the case, simpler people have changed their tune.
Personally, in the beginning I liked Ambrose but eventually got sick of him after WWE just kept making his character worse and worse. It's pretty much the same with Moxley now. I haven't cared about anything he's done in quite a while. Maybe there just isn't much to him besides being angry and bleeding everywhere all the time... I don't know.
The women's could ever be as could as good the mens. Women's division is very entertaining Rhea Ripley is a huge star, as is Bianca Blair, Charlotte Flaor,Becky Lynch and Bailey.
Whoops! "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig WAS AWA World champ for over a year. You could have added Bruiser Brody, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Wahoo McDaniel or Owen Hart to the list.
We weren't "wrong" about John Cena. Its just that nostalgia is kicking in and people are forgetting his faults. For instance, his refusal to put Wade Barrett over, his very limited moveset, and the over exposure. Cena was almost always at the top of the card, which put a glass ceiling on almost every performer.
When it comes to titles I think we are all the problem. We want that big moment for so many of our favorites, but everyone can’t be the champion. Pushes have to mean different things in this social media dominated world.
I agree The Fiend didn't need the title any time soon, but I also cannot blame WWE for pushing it to him. The Fiend was basically the hottest thing since Mania 35, it was obvious for the executives to make him champion
i laways wanted punk back in wwe before he went to aew and even when he was in aew i wanted him back but i was so hoping the aew run would work out but i am so happy he is back in wwe
I think the next Mega-Star must-see match is going to be against Main Event Jey USO (☝🏼) even though he's not my favorite..... Probably against L.A. Knight or Cody I never like the musician named Bootsie 🎶! That's what Jey USO reminds me of..........
people didn't hate Cena, they hated how he was booked for years and years on end. It was only after he started to step away from the main event when people started cheering for him again. Everyone still acknowledged that he was one of the most entertaining performers this company had seen.
I was very wrong about the most recent nia jax return. When she first came back I was 100% against it. I hated it and had no idea why they were doing it. But then as the weeks went by it was evident she had improved a lot in the ring and her character work has been top notch. I was actually happy when she won the title this weekend. Also, not me but most people I saw online "Cody should've won at wm 39". That turned out to be incredibly wrong as what we got at wm 40 was perfect
I love Simon and he does great work, but I am sort of getting tired of everything is great, you should do whatever you want, as long as you are happy/like what you are doing that means your work is good and so on. It is great to have a positive attitude and be optimistic. More power to you on that, but flat out there were a lot of things discussed in this that I feel people appropriately were upset about or was outright just bad quality stuff put on TV.
While I’ll admit, we where all a bit hard on cena. While yes he could wrestle. His completely repetitive and boring feud with Randy Orion was enough to have me stop watching.
But the video starts wrong Ppl legit was anti cena it wasn’t they got it wrong it was nothing to get wrong The rock brought a more mature audience back that was more active than younger fans Of course it’s going to go back to we love cena but moments are moments and for a moment no one wanted skittles
Dean is another case where people just throw the term 'misused' in the wrong direction. Yes, his last bits weren't anything good. But right before that, man went from WWE Champ, to IC champ, Tag Champion, after Tag Champion, to IC Champion again. Like, if that's misused then lmao.
My crowning achievement in life is predicting that Cody shouldnt win at WM 39 despite the whole word getting more and more convinced for should have for 9 months
I never understood the annoyance about the term "sports entertainment" itself. Pro wrestling isn't a "sport", so "sports entertainment" works well enough. Vince trying to erase the term "pro wrestling" and REPLACE it with sports entertainment I do understand the annoyance towards.
Judgement Day were better with Edge. I loved the scary supernatural gimmick. Although I do agree with Edge though, he should've turned Heel after WrestleMania.
"Roman sucks" Roman would then become one of the few good things in one of WWE's worse periods and continued to be so when WWE hit a resurgence. He and Cody helped usher the WWE into the current era which is the best era we've had in a long time. As a side we need a better name than the "Paul Leveque era"
That’s why AEW exists. As an alternative for people who don’t enjoy that kind of stuff. Some people don’t like Cena or many of the wrestlers WWE produces. Pretty sure you’re gonna say the same about Roman. Which is fine. The business is huge and everyone isn’t gonna love everyone. There are people who can’t stand the Rock or Austin. There’s people who hated the Undertaker’s gimmick and how he was booked. I personally think Cena should have started giving back a little sooner than his part time years but I do respect his work ethic. So I get you 💯. Granted the “excited to see him retire” remark was very mean spirited. 😔
Not crazy about this list. While Simon and the writers are generally correct that waiting and seeing is wiser than just shitting on things, some of the things mentioned-particularly booing Cena and the first Goldburg-Lesner match-were both a statement of overall opinion, and fans should have some freedom of liking or not liking something or someone as much as wrestlers have the right to retire or leave a company if they choose.
Judgement day NEEDED Edge so they could kick him out! That is what got them going! Ik people didnt like heel Edge but he had to be there for this to work out the way it did. Now this group has titles galore and have been dominant and without Edge it would have fallen flat.
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I was wrong about Cody should have won at MW39. It turned out great
I think the people who complain about the ban on chair headshots are psychopaths.
Dean Ambrose did the most funniest sketch when he dumped water over Seth doing the water bucket challenge lol
"What? It's for charity"
@@TeeKayBeeahaha that shi was funny bro still to this day
Cena had a 5 star classic in Chicago.
1:46-1:47 "plug me in and I will suck" 😂😅 probably the best line ever by Simon
But would he swallow....
Shorter timeframe, but I’d love to see this list for AEW-and TNA/Impact, honestly.
THE AEW VIDEO WOULD CREATE A FIRESTORM 🔥🔥🔥🌪️🌪️🌪️
I think what made Cena great WAS the polarity and the way he embraced it. Regardless of how WWE presented him, he had a portion of the crowd that viewed him more like a monster heel and I don't think it's giving him too much credit to say I'm sure that was on purpose.
That's revisionist history. He was a bland character, nobody cared about him. He was basically a jobber....and then he became a rapper. Everybody LOVED the rapper gimmick. Then he got moved over to Raw, on the USA network, and Bonnie Hammer (USA Network executive) said she wanted John Cena, but she didn't want rapper John Cena.
And that's when people started booing him. They weren't booing him saying that he sucks, and always had sucked. They were saying this new non-rapper version of him sucked. This was also about the time he started winning 101% of his matches.
That's when it changed from being "We miss the old you" to being "This new you sucks so much. Please get off my TV screen."
And the two changes happened back to back within a year of the switch. In 2004 he's still a rapper, getting cheered, and by mid 2005 he's getting boo'd. But the new character appealed to children. That's when fruity pebbles John Cena was born. Half the crowd (women, and children) cheered him, while adult men bood him.
Bobby Lashley ALMOST followed a similar path, but he didn't have the emotion of the fans loving him at one time. So he just came off more like Lex Luger. Then for a few years the same thing happened with Roman Reigns, before the bloodline.
But at no point did we boo John Cena in a cool way. We didn't boo him because he was supposed to be a heel. We boo'd him because he was ruining our enjoyment of the show.
I think John Cena the person is an AMAZING person. I think John Cena the character is quite frankly the most boring character that's ever been on WWE. He took all the stakes out of every story he was ever in.
The reason people were so frustrated by the Nexus angle, is because FINALLY something interesting happened on WWE after 7 years of boring shit. And then John Cena removes everything interesting about it. It could have been as big as the NWO. Instead it's luster lasted about a week.
Highly doubtful. I'm sure it became the plan once hating on Cena became a meme that grew upon itself, but the original plan was for him to be the next Hogan. It was Vince's greatest (booking) sickness outside of the Attitude Era, it happened time & time again, his top guy had to be a Hogan ripoff.
Don't fool yourself into believing WWE wanted a polarizing top guy. If you offered them a reality where Cena was unanimously loved & cheered they'd have taken that in a heartbeat.
Simons Chanel > WCW
What does that even mean?
@@jeffro9252one still exists and provides regular quality content. One hasn’t existed for almost 30 years.
@@jeffro9252 It means he thinks that simon’s channel is better then WCW.
The Miz for me and many others. I thought he was a reality t.v hack and didn't belong in wrestling and wasn't that good. Over the years, he has proven time, and again, he is one of the most consistent entertainers in WWE.
I'd love to see this channel acknowledge alllllllll of the things they've been wrong about concerning WWE
Wrestling fans admitting they're wrong? Are you daft?
The Miz. I thought he was a Vince McMahon vanity, but actually the Miz is a damn good WWE Superstar, and he can wrestle.
The Miz is one of my all time favorites, he's like the exact opposite of Dolph Ziggler. Both are all time greats at what they're good at. Miz has charisma that makes almost anything he is doing interesting, even if he's an average in-ring performer. Ziggler may be average on the mic, but he is one of the greatest in ring workers of all time.
I agree with all of these except the blood line. Bloodline was good till they replaced all of them but SoSo Sikoa. Now it feels like that group of bullies in highschool that cant help but get involved in everyones business and can never do anything of worth without their cohorts getting involved.
That is literally the point man. Solo trying to be Roman and bringing in lunatics he can’t control.
Growing up realizing Bret screwed Bret
💯
@@deejayguppy-n8zI mean but if the owner of the company says drop the belt and u don’t do it some coming ur way , it’s cause and effect
I have always said Bret screwed Bret
I will say I was wrong about tiffiney, I thought her in ring was sloppy and she needed more time to get better on the mic, this tiffy time personality she has started has completely done a 180 on me and she ended up being my pick for MITB(that she did win) she understands her character and is surprising me everytime she gets in the ring now. Her improvement should be studied
She’s an Olympic level athlete, you should never count her out, and her speciality is gymnastics.. which ties in very well with the wrasslin
The new age outlaws I thought they were useless especially when they first won the titles. Looking back I misread that whole group
Cena not losing the belt to Wade Barrett and establishing The Nexus as the most dominant faction in WWE at the time was a definite ball drop.
See I thought differently and still do. I felt no one in the Nexus at the time was good enough to beat Cena alone or as a group. I was in my mid to late 20s at the time, the full Nexus thing felt to hard pushed.
People hated Cena the same way people hated Tom Brady
And Kobe Bryant.
And soon Lebron…
Tom Brady cheated and the rest of the sports world just refuses to acknowledge it.
Cena was slightly different than Hogan but one day I hope we get a book about how he really was backstage.
I didn’t think he sucked because of skill, far from since I can’t recall anyone getting injured with him, it’s that he buried other stars from having a chance of even growing. He was in the way when WWE could have been using him like they did during his US title invitational.
I wasn't sad when Brady retired
😮😮😮that cut deep😢
I was wrong about trick Williams. I didn’t see anything there , now I get it
Anyone notice the list has two #5's? :D
WWE has officially announced the return of the FALL BRAWL event PLE to take place September 14th. 💔 😢 🙏
NAH I DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE WANTED A 5 ⭐️ MATCH FROM CENA…BUT HIS MATCH WITH BRYAN DANIELS IS CLOSE ENUFF
“Unless it’s for a big pop”
That was a great line Simon 😂
I thought Dean as Mountie was funny too
The Judgment Day Split Last Night
the biggest thing fans were wrong about (I was not one) was the finish to wrestlemania 39... :)
Hard disagree. The entire next year Roman didn’t need the title. He could have gone paranoid psycho about being the tribal chief and had his match with the rock. I just don’t give WWE points for panic damage control booking.
@@Bman32x but instead we got one of the best years of WWE TV, an awesome Wrestlemania main event and some amazing matches lined up soon like Cody vs Rock, Rock vs Roman, Roman vs Solo.
@@joshfox567That doesn't mean the year would be less entertaining had Cody won a year prior...seem like a false argument to me
@@tuanmohdarfantuankhusairry2977 no that’s stupid. Fans said it was the worst decision in history at the time. We then got one of the best years of WWE. Therefore the fans were wrong lol… yeah I guess maybe there’s a small chance WWE could have equalled it with Cody as champion (even though I’m not sure about that); but you still wouldn’t know and it doesn’t take away that the fans were wrong about the initial outcry from the finish, that’s my point.
6:04 “ if the judgment day split up, I would be devastated, and I would not have seen that coming when they first got together” bro jinxed it😂
Judgement was peak when R-truth was in it
One things WWE fans and detractors get wrong. They bring a lot of the bad and/or unwanted outcomes. Case in point, people “wanted” Finn to win the title vs Seth, question? How am I ,as creative, Supposed to believe that if every time we try to get him to cut a promo y’all drown him out by chanting Seth’s theme song
Give Finn Balor a catchier theme song? Either way it's one thing to be over cause of your song and another for people to want to see you on top as Champ, personally I don't like Seth's visionary character but I respect he's a great worker
The editor had a blast with this one
"Plug me in and I will suck." This is a heck of a way to find out Simon Miller is an Autoblow in disguise.
I didn’t think they should have brought punk back into wwe after what had happened in aew. I thought he would just do the same thing and it wouldn’t be worth the risk. But boy was I wrong it’s be fantastic. Even if it falls apart from here it will have been worth bringing him back just because of this feud with drew alone. And as I write this they haven’t even had the match yet.
There's still plenty of time for Punk to be Punk.
@@MDestron2282Punk is a professional not a lousy doofuses like Young bucks and Elite
@@psahd92 A professional? WHAT?!?!? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I still think that Super Cena did more harm than good. It basically established the generation of wrestlers after him were nothing more than mid and KO was the only one who survived his culling. Outside the ring, Cena was the greatest for WWE
The thing with Cena was you saw the effort in the other wrestlers: choreography, variety, even their struggles against the company not choosing to reward their hard work. Early Super Cena was too busy with PR that his matches had 0 effort - take some offense the hit his usual 5 moves shtick ... even Goldberg tried out new moves from time to time.
I think I'm the only person on the planet who dislikes Simon Miller--- the RUclips guy.
The person?
Well obviously we know he is a genuine good dude.
The aspiring wrestler?
Hell yeah, really enjoying the "journey"
But I'm not sure even Bizarro and Superman are as opposite as my thoughts & feelings on our sport and Mr Miller's lol
The bloodline didn't need to be ended by Cody, only Roman Reigns has to retire and keep his promise to the wwe audience that he will be done in 2024!
And the countdown for those who say "First" starts....NOW!
Brock was with Sable (who stuck around for a few months in WWE AFTER he quit and whose firing may have had SOMETHING to do with that relationship, knowing Vince), so he was actually walking out ON his..."personal life".
🤣🤣😘😘
The problem wasn't that Cena won all the time, rather that
1) He was first pushed as the WWE champion at a time where he wasn't the performer he would become even just a couple of years later, over guys that were way better than him, and that people respected after years of grind
2) His character progressively lost its edge, but still maintained his cruelty
3) He kept winning matches that he either could afford to lose or that his opponent needed to win
4) Even when he lost, he treated it as anything but a big deal, making his opponent's accomplishment pretty much meaningless
Point 1 is actually a similar problem to Roman's. His push started when he still wasn't ready (he was even less ready than John, because at least John knew what his character was meant to be), and the fans "conveniently" ignored his major improvements that happened in the span of a year in the ring and on the mic.
also to insure his stature and popularity, anyone who gained any momentum. vince squashed.
ryback, nexus, punk, sandow, ryder were all depushed, jobbed out, or not focused on as their momentum threatened cena's. vince tried real hard to do it to bryan only for it to backfire.
Don't forget that other wrestlers and storylines were mishandled at the expense of the Cena marketing machine.
Don't reply you stupid mark @@stingrey1571
@@stingrey1571I thought that was few of Vince best ideas, Nexus was bad, ryback was a rubbish wrestler, punk was just as bad, Sandow wasn't ready and should of never been put in any big match, Ryder was nothing more than a jober, I don't think they tried to kill DB push, I think Vince was doing it to make fan's believe that's what's happening. Then kept making it harder for DB so the fan's would get behind him even more and then in the end given them what they want.
•Bret screwed Bret (just put HBK over bro😂😂)
•Brock should’ve beat the Streak
•Austin heel turn was correct (Rock going heel was cliche, Event just shouldn’t have been in Austin hometown ahahahah)
HBK was a douchebag, I wouldn't have either. But i ALSO wouldn't not think Vince would do that
@@PrinceIsot facts. no one hates the old HBK more than HBK himself💀
The Goldberg-Brock one is funny, like imagine quitting your job at Tesco and the customers just start booing you
If John Cena came back today and was booked the same way he was from 2007-2013, people would hate him all over again. Don’t let your nostalgia goggles cloud your mind.
Agreed
Damien sandow was very mid
I almost miss the pre network/ peacock days. Instead of ordering the ppvs I would go to Buffalo Wild Wings to watch with a whole crowd and I'd always start the dueling "Let's go Cena!"/ "Cena sucks!!!" Chants. Good times
No, we are still right about Edge and Judgement day. Their biggest story is a love triangle.
I think Simon as talking about Ted Dibbi-Ossy (DiBiase to you and me) *Sr.* , The Million Dollar Man. Not his son...
🤣🤣
Ever notice that the narrative on John Cena changed when he stopped being a full time wrestler and was not on TV each week? Coincidence? Of course not. He was shoved down our throat and now that is no longer the case, simpler people have changed their tune.
9:36 Ted Dibiase hahahahah
Ted should have won it. He should have held for 6 to 8 months then dropped it back to hogan.
Damm Simon you will have triggered all the Meltzer loving IWC smarks saying chairs to the head should be stopped.
Ambrose > Moxley
Personally, in the beginning I liked Ambrose but eventually got sick of him after WWE just kept making his character worse and worse. It's pretty much the same with Moxley now. I haven't cared about anything he's done in quite a while. Maybe there just isn't much to him besides being angry and bleeding everywhere all the time... I don't know.
The judgment Day is nothing without Mami
Want to see John Cena win the U.S. Title belt and drop it to Carlito again.
It could happen again he's on his final run before retirement
well, John Cena''s combover does suck...
The women's could ever be as could as good the mens. Women's division is very entertaining Rhea Ripley is a huge star, as is Bianca Blair, Charlotte Flaor,Becky Lynch and Bailey.
Ill admit it
Simon completely omitted when R Truth was in The Judgment Day.
1:45 😂😂
Whoops! "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig WAS AWA World champ for over a year. You could have added Bruiser Brody, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Wahoo McDaniel or Owen Hart to the list.
They're already flogging a dead horse with the Bloodline story.
We weren't "wrong" about John Cena. Its just that nostalgia is kicking in and people are forgetting his faults. For instance, his refusal to put Wade Barrett over, his very limited moveset, and the over exposure. Cena was almost always at the top of the card, which put a glass ceiling on almost every performer.
Hold on, I can leave my job?
When it comes to titles I think we are all the problem. We want that big moment for so many of our favorites, but everyone can’t be the champion. Pushes have to mean different things in this social media dominated world.
I do have an uncle named Bob.
The Nexus sucked and didn't deserve an ultimate push.
6:07 Well this is ironic
1:10 but he did have a 5 Star Classic with CM Punk in Chicago
I agree The Fiend didn't need the title any time soon, but I also cannot blame WWE for pushing it to him. The Fiend was basically the hottest thing since Mania 35, it was obvious for the executives to make him champion
i laways wanted punk back in wwe before he went to aew and even when he was in aew i wanted him back but i was so hoping the aew run would work out but i am so happy he is back in wwe
I think the next Mega-Star must-see match is going to be against Main Event Jey USO (☝🏼) even though he's not my favorite..... Probably against L.A. Knight or Cody
I never like the musician named Bootsie 🎶! That's what Jey USO reminds me of..........
people didn't hate Cena, they hated how he was booked for years and years on end. It was only after he started to step away from the main event when people started cheering for him again. Everyone still acknowledged that he was one of the most entertaining performers this company had seen.
I was very wrong about the most recent nia jax return. When she first came back I was 100% against it. I hated it and had no idea why they were doing it. But then as the weeks went by it was evident she had improved a lot in the ring and her character work has been top notch. I was actually happy when she won the title this weekend.
Also, not me but most people I saw online "Cody should've won at wm 39". That turned out to be incredibly wrong as what we got at wm 40 was perfect
Sweet!
Thumbnail: YOU SEE ME! 😂
RIP bray wyatt u are missed
I think some people in the comments think this is anti-wwe somehow. 😂
I love Simon and he does great work, but I am sort of getting tired of everything is great, you should do whatever you want, as long as you are happy/like what you are doing that means your work is good and so on.
It is great to have a positive attitude and be optimistic. More power to you on that, but flat out there were a lot of things discussed in this that I feel people appropriately were upset about or was outright just bad quality stuff put on TV.
Did you notice Simon wearing his Kneepads while talking bout Cena? Simon Sucks.
While I’ll admit, we where all a bit hard on cena. While yes he could wrestle. His completely repetitive and boring feud with Randy Orion was enough to have me stop watching.
Replace “You” With “We”
While it's cool that we have the new Bloodline, it would've been cool if Solo Sikoa had a different character or kept his old one somehow
But the video starts wrong
Ppl legit was anti cena it wasn’t they got it wrong it was nothing to get wrong
The rock brought a more mature audience back that was more active than younger fans
Of course it’s going to go back to we love cena but moments are moments and for a moment no one wanted skittles
where is that shirt available?
John Cena does have a 5 star classic though according to Meltzer
Most of these are subjective opinions.
Dean is another case where people just throw the term 'misused' in the wrong direction. Yes, his last bits weren't anything good. But right before that, man went from WWE Champ, to IC champ, Tag Champion, after Tag Champion, to IC Champion again. Like, if that's misused then lmao.
My crowning achievement in life is predicting that Cody shouldnt win at WM 39 despite the whole word getting more and more convinced for should have for 9 months
That ziggler rollins match was making me angry the fans were being annoying
I love the John Cena sucks chant. It's true, damn true
The tearm sports entertainment onley came about cause of legal reasons and vience not wanting to answer to any atheletic commisions
Tribal noodle☝️
I was definitely wrong about the Shield. Didn't get it for a while!
Link for that shirt, NICE!
I never understood the annoyance about the term "sports entertainment" itself. Pro wrestling isn't a "sport", so "sports entertainment" works well enough. Vince trying to erase the term "pro wrestling" and REPLACE it with sports entertainment I do understand the annoyance towards.
Judgement Day were better with Edge. I loved the scary supernatural gimmick. Although I do agree with Edge though, he should've turned Heel after WrestleMania.
I never hated Cena but I was more of a Orton guy but Cena my dude no lie
"Roman sucks" Roman would then become one of the few good things in one of WWE's worse periods and continued to be so when WWE hit a resurgence. He and Cody helped usher the WWE into the current era which is the best era we've had in a long time. As a side we need a better name than the "Paul Leveque era"
I still feel cena sucks never been able to stand him only time he got me excited over him was announcing his retirement
Thank you. I'm not the only 1.
That’s why AEW exists. As an alternative for people who don’t enjoy that kind of stuff. Some people don’t like Cena or many of the wrestlers WWE produces. Pretty sure you’re gonna say the same about Roman. Which is fine. The business is huge and everyone isn’t gonna love everyone. There are people who can’t stand the Rock or Austin. There’s people who hated the Undertaker’s gimmick and how he was booked. I personally think Cena should have started giving back a little sooner than his part time years but I do respect his work ethic. So I get you 💯. Granted the “excited to see him retire” remark was very mean spirited. 😔
@@sharkhenry8010 I love Roman and cant stand the spot fest style matches AEW does
Not crazy about this list. While Simon and the writers are generally correct that waiting and seeing is wiser than just shitting on things, some of the things mentioned-particularly booing Cena and the first Goldburg-Lesner match-were both a statement of overall opinion, and fans should have some freedom of liking or not liking something or someone as much as wrestlers have the right to retire or leave a company if they choose.
Judgement day NEEDED Edge so they could kick him out! That is what got them going! Ik people didnt like heel Edge but he had to be there for this to work out the way it did. Now this group has titles galore and have been dominant and without Edge it would have fallen flat.
Dean Ambrose was a horrible character
He was a great character top of the charts with his group & separate to
We need Roman back as tribal chief.