Great talk. I love your work on other philosophers, but my favorites are the Franciscans so it’s nice to see some love for them on here. If only Bonaventure did not have so many controversies plaguing his life, we might have a much larger corpus of his writings like St. Thomas Aquinas has. I knew he was involved in a lot of controveries, but I had never really thought about it until you listed them all off one after another there. Bonaventure did continue to be widely studied for theology as well in the Franciscan order alongside Scotus. “The Ratio Studiorum of the Conventual Franciscans in the Baroque Age” by Marco Forlivesi is a good overview of this (you can find a copy on his academia page). According to some of the order constitutions he goes over, students were rquired to spend the first three years of theological study on Bonaventure, and the next three on Scotus. Professors were also expected to harmonize the teachings of Hales, Bonaventure, and Scotus. I’ve noticed in my own readings of later Scotists that they cite Bonaventure very frequently (and rarely Ockham), but they do prefer Scotus.
One of Bonaventure’s largest works (4 huge volumes) is his “Commentary on the Sentences”. Two other great small works are: “Collationes in Hexaëmeron” and the “De reductione artium ad theologiam”. Another great doctrine of his is the hierarchization of the human mind, which is a kind of restructuring of the mind by grace. Also, the fifth cause, “exemplarism,” which he gets from Plato and Augustine, and he considered as more important than the four causes (material, formal, efficient, final). Although he considers Aristotle as a philosopher, he doesn’t believe he is a metaphysician, because Aristotle doesn’t accept the exemplary cause. Thank you for your excellent conference!
Thank you for this. I am a third order Franciscan and a veterinarian , who has studied about 30 hours of theology under committed Thomists. Since my Franciscan profession, I’ve been interested in the Franciscans. Where would you recommend I start? Scotus is a bit dense, though Mary Beth Ingham’s Scotus for Dunces was pretty readable. Bonaventure’s Itinerarium has been great for prayer & meditation. What do you recommend?
Yes, he does get some study at Franciscan places. From my years of contact with the place before it went off the deep end, I can't imagine using the word "thriving" for much of anything at FUS
@@GregoryBSadler there is certainly a lack in diversity of thought, but there is record enrollment every semester! lots of pros and cons, but I have considered it a great classical education. Doing my senior thesis on Nietzsche and Romanticism right now!
@@PoundianAesthete Well, if there's record enrollment, I guess that solves the issue of the brain-rot that we got to see happen there. And of course, if you consider it a good classical education, it must be the case, whatever those of us who were involved with the institution and its people over decades actually saw
@Gregory B. Sadler Yeah, most likely... Thats true, my experience with them isnt much.. I have known only one. An older relative and he used to smoke a lot, not like Jesus that had healthy habits. Everything gets corrupted thru time, we live in a kind of crazy world. One thing to note though , his sermons were really good and really got to me, and Im not religious.
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Best lecture you’ve ever delivered, you are at the top of your game Dr Sadler
thanks!
I was previously unfamiliar with Bonaventure. I'm looking forward to reading his work. I appreciate the lecture!
Glad to read it
Great talk. I love your work on other philosophers, but my favorites are the Franciscans so it’s nice to see some love for them on here. If only Bonaventure did not have so many controversies plaguing his life, we might have a much larger corpus of his writings like St. Thomas Aquinas has. I knew he was involved in a lot of controveries, but I had never really thought about it until you listed them all off one after another there.
Bonaventure did continue to be widely studied for theology as well in the Franciscan order alongside Scotus. “The Ratio Studiorum of the Conventual Franciscans in the Baroque Age” by Marco Forlivesi is a good overview of this (you can find a copy on his academia page). According to some of the order constitutions he goes over, students were rquired to spend the first three years of theological study on Bonaventure, and the next three on Scotus. Professors were also expected to harmonize the teachings of Hales, Bonaventure, and Scotus. I’ve noticed in my own readings of later Scotists that they cite Bonaventure very frequently (and rarely Ockham), but they do prefer Scotus.
I thought it was about time we brought in a Franciscan!
One of Bonaventure’s largest works (4 huge volumes) is his “Commentary on the Sentences”. Two other great small works are: “Collationes in Hexaëmeron” and the “De reductione artium ad theologiam”. Another great doctrine of his is the hierarchization of the human mind, which is a kind of restructuring of the mind by grace. Also, the fifth cause, “exemplarism,” which he gets from Plato and Augustine, and he considered as more important than the four causes (material, formal, efficient, final). Although he considers Aristotle as a philosopher, he doesn’t believe he is a metaphysician, because Aristotle doesn’t accept the exemplary cause. Thank you for your excellent conference!
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you for a great presentation.
You're welcome!
Thank you for this. I am a third order Franciscan and a veterinarian , who has studied about 30 hours of theology under committed Thomists. Since my Franciscan profession, I’ve been interested in the Franciscans. Where would you recommend I start? Scotus is a bit dense, though Mary Beth Ingham’s Scotus for Dunces was pretty readable. Bonaventure’s Itinerarium has been great for prayer & meditation. What do you recommend?
more Bonaventure
@@GregoryBSadler thanks
Bonaventure is thriving at Franciscan University of Steubenville!
Yes, he does get some study at Franciscan places. From my years of contact with the place before it went off the deep end, I can't imagine using the word "thriving" for much of anything at FUS
@@GregoryBSadler there is certainly a lack in diversity of thought, but there is record enrollment every semester! lots of pros and cons, but I have considered it a great classical education. Doing my senior thesis on Nietzsche and Romanticism right now!
@@PoundianAesthete Well, if there's record enrollment, I guess that solves the issue of the brain-rot that we got to see happen there.
And of course, if you consider it a good classical education, it must be the case, whatever those of us who were involved with the institution and its people over decades actually saw
To me Franciscans are the real deal, living as Jesus did. Not these other priests showered with expensive stuff. Gold cups, expensive decorated robes.
Some Franciscans are like that, others aren't. Just like any other order
@Gregory B. Sadler Yeah, most likely... Thats true, my experience with them isnt much.. I have known only one. An older relative and he used to smoke a lot, not like Jesus that had healthy habits. Everything gets corrupted thru time, we live in a kind of crazy world. One thing to note though , his sermons were really good and really got to me, and Im not religious.