"BTS HARDSHIPS 2013-2021"- Racism, mistreatment, accusations + more | New K-Pop Fan REACTS!
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You're not wrong for calling them K-pop, since they went through the idol system. It's just that they became so legendary they broke the "k-pop" barrier, which used to be a niche thing
The French photographer didn't know about it until BigHit contacted him and he looked and said he was happy and their no BTS did NOT plagerise his work. In fact he's become a fan of BTS due to it. The 'Reporter' was from another Kpop agency one of the the Big 3 of Kpop.
One of the fandoms who gave BTS so much hate was EXO's fandom . Yep i said it, it was EXO's fandom.
@lisaloveshearts, yes LISA you can definitely say that EXO-Ls we’re always in competition once BTS started winning all of the big Prizes at the major Award Shows The MAMA and MMA’s!
I remember back in 2016 when BTS one “artist of the year “and EXO-Ls went absolutely ballistic!
I believe there was a fight outside of the show between Korean ARMYs & EXO-Ls?!
Sometimes what is so ridiculous is that if you go to RUclips reactors who react to K-pop and BTS is brought up to react to I always see 1 or 2 EXO-L and even BLACKPINK ‘s BLINKs, if something negative to say about BTS in the comment section!
Peachy, needs to do the whole series of “karma is an army“
BoraHae 💜
Also the show confronting them on plagiarism is Super Junior and the nasty host that turned down JK hamburger. They are all from SM Entertainment, who has power and connections in the Korean industry. It all comes down to killing off the competition and money.
Seriously. Let's not forget. It was nasty in those times. And being a fan of both? I got a shocking wake up call.
And now its BLINKS....
@@laurahilliker5336 Yessssssss!!! I 💜 the "Karma is an Army" series 😄👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
23:56 let me also tell you, the year when they were not even given a waiting room was also the year they got their first Daesang as in the grand prize. that's how the show treated an artist that by that time was big enough to compete with the most popular kpop groups
but it was not brought up to attention, because it was everyone's attitude towards BTS at that time and before that
here's BTS memoirs book quoting V: "It's fine if other teams are named as candidates for the first place [instead of us]. We just need to work harder. But at the broadcasting stations, we'd always be the first to say hello and greet everyone, sunbaes (seniors) and hubaes (juniors) alike, but some people just ignored us and passed right by. Or mocked us for not even being candidates for the top place"
That’s so crazy to me 😭😭 why even offer them the award if you’re not going to be even respectful enough to give them a waiting room?! IT MAKES ME SO MAD
@@peachysaiyan nods
@@peachysaiyan Ok, sorry for my English (I´m from Brazil, but I tried! lol)
BTS is facing difficulties again, with the story of Suga's scooter, the most ridiculous thing seen in the last two months, they turned a grain of sand into a truckload of sh*t in the Korean media, even asking Suga to leave the group and the battle still continues until now!
The 3 youngest were still in school at BTS debut. So the school boy trilogy made sense. They have also written songs about each stage of their lives as they pass through them. What this does not show was the injuries and illnesses caused by over work. RM is the leader his moving speeches were impactful. They wanted to derail BTS rapid rise to success. Most of the toxic commenters are not really fans. They have been doing that since the break wings project. At the Busan festival it was the event organisors posted that they were not performing. They told BTS as the cameras were not on BTS would not be paid. BTS performed for the fans anyway. Despite the danger of slipping on the confetti.
ARMY has organisations within the fandom, For instance lawyers, educators, translators. It wasnt just translators created the White Paper Project it was also historians teachers and proffessors and university students. ARMY is the right name for the fandom it is organised and quickly mobilises. Go to any concert and you will also find they are the kindest nicest most considerate fandom
Venues have remarked on how ARMY picks up their trash and the litter is markedly less after a BTS concerts. BTS created Weverse because they were not being treated fairly by Navers. UTube also wipes out half of BTS views
The only person who could accuse anyone of using school uniform is the very first artist to use school uniform who was the leader of the rock band AC/DC in the 70's as he's said it's ok for anyone else to use then anyone want to use school uniform in context of music can do just that.
My partner was saying this too!! Old school rockers used these outfits so much!!
1:04:50 I think you need to react to “what do you think?” by Agust D. Because yes, they officially almost never spoke directly at the hate, but in their music? THEY ABSOLUTELY DID! And we as fans LOVE when they clap back with f good music.
Clapping back with their music is honestly so much more iconic than using words or speeches LOL I’ll add that song to my list thank you!!!
@@peachysaiyantruly iconic of you ask me, bestie
@@peachysaiyan Amygdala is agust D/Suga song 3rd part to the trilogy and its triggering to some. If u end up watching that pls watch all 3 in 1 or back to back. ty
All the members receive so much hate for every single ridiculous reason, but I do think Namjoon is often the target, and besides the usual, I think he is specially hated by antis for two main reasons:
1. When they debuted, he didn’t fit the ridiculous “beauty standards” of the idol industry, but my man is fine and more important, has a hella impressive personality that makes him the main character in every room, which must make antis foam at the mouth.
2. He is BTS’ foundations. Not only he was the first member the group was built around, but he was also a big influence in their musical direction, to the point that tools he used to “educate” his members about music are now used by bighit for their trainees.
3. He is the leader. The hate against BTS will naturally target him the hardest.
Having said that.: All the members receive a lot of hate, both from antis and solos. It really hurts, because they’ve always been nothing but sweet , kind and respectful.
Both He and Suga helped develop that music listening program, but yes. Without Namjoon and Bang Sihyuk being impressed by him and inspired to form a group around him….. BTS would not have existed
@@mslp5979 Namjoon gets so much hate. And so much of the burden. And he still doesn't get the shine and recognition he deserves. Where was Army for his solo work? It's really sad
about the BUSAN ONE ASIA FESTIVAL it was officially announced that BTS are CUT from performing even after a large number of ARMYs already bought the tickets to watch BTS perform (they used BTS and ARMY to sell the seats)
BTS were ready to perform at the festival but then they got cut
after the festival ended and the crew left BTS performed for the ARMYs who came to watch them
having no proper lighting , no camera work and not even a clean stage
40:00 about MBC it was actually the opposite when BTS attended NBC's NEW YEARS EVE in NEW YORK, MBC held a grudge against BIGHIT and banned anyone associated with BIGHIT from attending
So many questions to answer. The misogyny accusations is the song called the War of Hormones. Please check out the song it is so tame compared to western music. The fandom of EXO was brutal to BTS and army and the reason was because BigHit was not a part of the big3 music labels. They were prejudice because BTS came from a small company. K-pop fans in Korea are weird. They are loyal to label companies and any solos and groups coming out of that company. We armies are different as we are loyal to BTS and not the company. We want the company to do well because of BTS. The Big3 companies are SM, JYP and YG. Because of BTS BigHit/HYBE is now bigger and richer than all 3 companies combined. Kmedia has always been against BTS and still do. They are pissed that BTS grew worldwide and dominated to this day without following their rules and didn’t kiss their asses.
People saying War of hormones is against women always makes me laugh from anger as a woman who was 10-12yo in Europe with 50cent (Candy shop), Shakira (hips dont lié), pussycat dolls (dont cha) musics and many similar lyrics like that at the time the time 🤷🤭
Complementing is also about the money, and it happens in America as well. BTS never needed traditional media to rise, so media outlets such as radio and television have not obtained any earnings because of BTS. They even created their own shows to promote themselves and still have the power to decide which shows they attend.
50:20 we call the GRAMMYs the SCAMMYs instead
Regardind the military subject; amrys were on the same same page as the boys. Every time media tried to take armys' interviews on the subject, most answered with "whatever bangtan chooses"or "no comment" , it was as if they were media trained😂
And the boys went out in style.
Their last ot7 concert( Yet To Come Busan) was held for the World Expo 2030 bid and many were saying that the boys agreed to it to encourage the military exemption discussions. Many important political figures were in the crowd.
The very next day , HYBE reports BTS will enlist starting that year. If you could see the chaos😂
Looking back it's funny, but it was such a smart move from them. Getting that exemption would have most likely put them at the beck&call of the government, as if they owed them something.
What made that show even funnier was the performance of “Cypher PT. 3: Killer” right to those politicians faces that I heard were front rows of that concert. Especially when BTS and Big Hit had to pay out of pocket to put on the concert while the government did jack ****.
Ugh, that concert was a hot mess when it came to the city, officials, politicians, original venue, security, infrastructure,..... You name it. I think Big Hit recognised the would be sh_tshow and who would've been blamed for it and that's why they paid for all the changes for a concert they'd already gifted the city *for free.* But to then see the set list consist of FU songs and songs about empowerment and them as a group and then Jin's enlistment notice the next day was just pure *chef's kiss.* So satisfying!
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Rise of Bangtan a 21 episode documentary as well as any videos from Boracity Magazine (she shows how the Korean and Western Music industry tries to keep BTS down). 💜
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Another great video BORACITY WHY THE INDUSTRY IS TERRIFIED OF BTS
oh our rappers clapped back through their songs but never called out someone specifically but im sure those BTS was talking about knew. suga said if you think the song is about you it probably is. if you check out BTS cyphers 1-4 you'll understand. then after that watch the cypher medley live. amazing
Suga's statement can be taken as a lovely thing or a roast depending on whether you are a army or a hater(as in for armys, the sweet songs feel like it is for them)
@@itzmehDevi i believe Suga saying go vacation in Hawaii was a direct message to a specific person. I believe that was cypher 2 lol . Many BTS songs are for Army though definitely
@@geekyreader34 yep :D
The cyphers are sooo good!
There is a term called BIG 3 in kpop which are basically three big companies - SM Ent, JYP Ent (where Stray kids are from) and YG Entertainment. These companies are known to have connections and influence over Korean media. Bighit entertainment achieved greater success than BIG 3 but their achievements were looked down upon because they didn't have the power like BIG 3 have. Now BTS built hybe, which has become even bigger than Big 3 but still doesn't have same influence like BIG 3 have.
If you look at the stats of BTS on any chart, you'll be shocked to see the gap between BTS and rest of kpop, they're the only artists capable of challenging mainstream artists.
Its funny because before people criticized for not having the money and poor management. Now they are accusing because they have money and good management 🤣 the theories or concepts which they said its copied is so silly because at that time it was the same like a theme . These days BTS are still getting dragged, false accusations 🤣 however BTS is literally growing everyday and these haters are still hating.
"We’ll go serve in the military when the time comes. I hope all those bastards who tried to get a free ride by selling our names shut their mouths up" What Do You Think by Agust D, 2020
KING!
genuinely one of my favorite reactors rn, im in love with your sweet self ❤
Wahhh you’re so sweet!! Thank you so much that means so much 😭💜💜
im a female their lyrics were never offensive. i grew up in nyc the home of hip hop have yall heard some of those lyrics lol
The thing about the School Boy concept is that, for BTS -- their work was an honest reflection of a school boy experience and thoughts.
The outfits reflected the material they are singing about.
For other groups, the aesthetic is completely arbitrary -- just a trend to try on and move off of for the next look that has little to nothing to do with the music itself.
I highly recommend watching the guide “The Most Beautiful Life Goes On: A Story of BTS (2023 Update!)” It tells more about the members and the sequence of their musical careers
A lot of ARMY’s don’t like this one, but I find it quite good as it is well done and as it fills in gaps other documentaries lack. It’s like a view from the industry side rather than the personal side.
@@TheSnoozeUntold this is strange, what is wrong with the guide in their opinion? I haven’t reviewed it for a long time, but as far as I remember there’s a lot of real information there which isn’t discussed that much in the fandom...
@@flygray7326 I agree with you and don’t really know what problem they have with it. I’ve seen a lot of don’t watch that guide. 🤷🏼♀️
@@flygray7326there's many wrong information and his tone about American hustle life rubbed many the wrong way. because tho cringey the series is very important to bts journey.
@@flygray7326I haven't watched in a while so I'll rewatch it later and come back to let you know which parts are misinformation
an important point to understand is that bts became popular overseas first and then sk followed, while in kpop sk market is targeted first. bts were not targeting western market really, but since their opportunities in the common media institutes used by kpop were limited, bts used internet to release content and connect with fans. no one in kpop was doing it before bts, it only became a standart after bts succeeded and won a billboard award for social activity. but because they were using internet as the main platform for promotion, in the early years bts were getting popular among international internet users, not kpop audience. so the sales and hype might have not been present in sk itself, that's why a lot of haters used it as a proof that bts were manipulating the charts, because they didnt see bts impacting the same market other groups do. but bts just had power in other countries and the sales were coming from all over the world
The emotional damage all of this can cause to a person is not talk enough, you are totally correct
Thanks for the reaction! I share your opinions and indignation. I remember when I first became aware of these hardships and struggles our boys went through. I was very sad to come across immense intolerance and, why not say, cruelty in the world. The worst thing is that they still face these types of things today. But luckily, the members have each other and ARMYs to lean on. I believe that this trajectory contributed profoundly to the construction and growth of what BTS is and everything it represents for us today. These boys are not perfect, nor do they pretend to be. But they give us examples every day of humility, affection, attention, dedication, fraternity and love for others. That's why we ARMYs love them so much and want to protect them. Borahae!
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The videos are censored when it comes to the names of the other groups because BTS NEVER want anyone to go to that groups pages and leave hate... that's not what BTS are about and they do not want Army to do that either... They ALWAYS take the high road... Also, Army do not have a problem with long videos... so pause each time you want to comment so that you don't miss any of the small details and everyone will be more than happy with that !
Peachy, your makeup is always SO GOOD 😍💜
Wahh, you're too sweet thank you!!
There was nothing wrong with the lyric's it was satire but people didn't get it or pretended not to get it. The boys were making fun of young hormonal boys who discover girls for the first time also someone miss translate one word that made word with 'do them' instead of 'work them out'. referring to how hard it was hard for young boys to understand girls.
I wasn't ARMY at the time, but I believe the whole controversy about it didnt even happen when the song came out - it happened later - typical anti's digging for shyte to drag them about and blowing stuff completely out of context/proportion just to hate train.
@@sherry5808 correct.
Since you are really interested in how they grew I think the series Rise of bangtan would be something you would love. It is 21 chapters long and each chapter has deleted and bonus senses.
BTS still receive hate till this day. I'm not on twitter to avoid all the chaos, but tiktok also the same. There's always somebody try to pull them down. Sometimes for something not related to them. Sometimes i wonder...rather than worrying about BTS should they focus on their fav in terms of sales and streams.
They still get constant hate from EXO fans, Blackpinks fans, NewJeans fans and I know you like them but Stray Kids fans literally everyday on Twitter were trying to defend the boys. And yes exactly “Why always Namjoon”. He gets the brunt of the hate constantly literally everyday. Its not funny fandoms collectively run hate trains and say the most vile sh*t about them. From de*th threats to *TRIGGER WARNING* SA in military. Fandoms are disgusting. And I dont care who has anything to say about what I just wrote. And yes Twitter is not life we do touch grass. Lmao. People always get off cause its mentally exhausting. But no hate to the groups obviously. This is fandoms.
I love your reactions because you do pay attention to the information and details. I’ve seen so many reactions to this video and many issues that others obviously didn’t understand or notice, you immediately got them.
5:24 fun fact the guy speaking here was a trainee with namjoon, yoongi, and hope. I think he won the audition yoongi came second place in
Thank you so much for this reaction. It's a hard watch but so important to know. We appreciate you!
The "misogynist" song is War of Hormone, pls correct me if I'm wrong.
Está certa, é por essa música - eu particularmente não vejo nada de mais nela
And it wasn't even misogyny
You’re right.
honestly, I’m a woman and I didn’t see the lyrics as misogynistic. but I respect other women’s opinions over that, and I love the fact that bts grew from this lesson
45:30 > theyre mad because they need bts but bts dont need them
And now even though they are in the military they feed us so much song / album release each of them even travel shows which will be soon to release to make us Army not bored while waiting them to comeback on 2025. Salute to hard work, dedication to their music and the love of the Army . BTS and the Army are family period we love them we will be forever Bangtan Borahae 💜 thank you for your reaction.
The Most Beautiful Life Goes On: A Story of BTS (2023 Update!) by Rice squad is a must watch.
The names of groups were censored but it's Exo, cannot stand them bc they've also looked down on bts PUBLICLY at an award show just because bts won over them before. Then their company, one of the big 3 threw a tantrum by not allowing their groups to attend the award show next year. People can't even say that one of the members weren't talking about bts when no other group from a non big 3 company won over them. A lot of the censored groups were Exo, Shinee, and Big Bang btw, their fans are constantly on bts, even to this day. (Less of shinee stans but they're just as awful). The phone call you were a bit confused about was an Exo stan which is why it was "*** Stan", they were the ones who send the petition to the blue house and were also the ones in the photo you saw about V's grandmother. I've been an ARMY since 2014 and I will never forget what these stans have done and continue to do to bts.
im glad i emailed you please read it when you can. i see youre confused about the korea and japan thing im not sure if youre american or not but if youre from the west in general we dont get taught about history in depth unless our country was involved or impacted.
theres so much history we were never taught and that was one of them we learned about hiroshima and a few things around that but we didnt learn in depth to fully understand.
but for now just know bts didnt do anything wrong in that situation and armys helped defend them on a great scale. it cleared their name.
bts have risen to the stardom despite kpop and everything that industry tried to do to stop bts. guys were saying that kpop category can't contain them in 2016 already
honestly love how invested you actually are in understanding BTS and ARMY’s history. i hope to see more reaction vids from you! 💜
This video stops with the hate from k-pop fandoms and companies. However, a whole other video could be made about the racism and disgusting behavior of the American media and music industry. BTS made it big in the US without all the tricks used to get ahead in the American music industry (payola, bundling, etc.). Interviewers, with a few exceptions, treat them like shit, the Grammys used BTS’s fame for views, Billboard plays with the algorithms to make BTS’s songs free fall. If the industry can’t make money off them, they will try everything to make them fail. But ARMY is strong and will not let them get away with anything. We may be toxic at times, but sometimes it’s necessary.
Bora has a few video essays that address all the underhanded BS that the 9Western) media does but it really needs to be streamlined all together - would probably be 2-3x as long as this one was istg. *sighs*
Remember some people might what to read captions so we have to be aware some people might have problems straining their eyes to see captions, half and half might help those who are reading CC's on any videos you are showing. Hope that helps.
Thank you for your reaction, I really appreciate your attention in each video and the way you think about BTS, I don't know if you prefer to continue reacting to their music or if you want to start getting to know them, if the latter I recommend Run BTS, which is where They make games and challenges which is very fun and I'm sure you'll like it, and as another option I also recommend BTS in the Soop which is where they share their vacations with us and you can see a more natural side of their lives. By the way, I also highly recommend watching compilation videos, they are great, if you are interested I can send you links..💜💜
Yeah, In the Soop and Run BTS (their variety show) are the best ways to get to know BTS and to better understand the love ARMYs have for them
imagine, in 2022 kpop fandoms accused bts of plagiarism for rubbing jin's buzz cut head before his enlistment 🤪 cuz their favs did it first. im not joking 😭
It was the organisers who pulled BTS out because one member was injured even though the remaining 6 members said they'd still perform as fans were waiting for them to perform. The did perform with one member now but when it was officially over so no TV camera's, no proper lighting and and dirty stage.
I feel so proud as a an ARMY right now, thank you for feeling like they deserve all the great things in the world! Sending purple hearts your way 💜and most def subscribing RIGHT NOW to see all your future videos! 🙆🏼♀
Netizen - "citizen of the net" or "net citizen"
Anti(s) - a person opposed to a particular policy, activity, or idea.
The Years 2015 to 2017 was literally horrendous for BTS n ARMY. De were Literally in the Flesh Up Against the World... BTS said in 2021 Festa Dinner Video How in these years BTS n ARMY Fighting to Survive attacks upon attacks. No Wonder it led to the 2018 MAMA After Speech after their Win. It Was Literally Growing Pains. How Petty can ppl get. Angry songs... Yeahhh der... Like Micdrop, The Cyphers 1 2 3 4, Ugh, DDaeng, Agustd - Agustd Daechwita, RM Joke, Jhope 1 Verse many more.
Antis or haters same
The part mentioned about the Japanese colonial era in Korea is referring to when Japan invaded Korea and perpetrated human rights violations against the Korean people. Korea sued Japan and won, so some Japanese were so angry about it that they took it out on BTS by not letting them perform using the t-shirt as an excuse.
Thanks for the video 😊💜💜💜 one thing that you need to know is that the korean industry do not support bts even this last years, but thats fine bc army always support them to rise 😊 psdt. Love your makeup girl 😭💜
I love the mature answers you gave about how want to learn more before diving into the bts rabbit hole. You can react to bts discography chapter 1 first even tho heard a little bit of their songs, but speaking on behalf of my peers in the fandom, they have zero skips when it comes to their songs💜
As a baby ARMY I watched this video so I was aware to an extent of what BTS had gone through. But it really hit home to me when I was nerding out one day and researched early awards BTS did NOT win. In 2016 they were up against EXO (the group that was bleeped out in most of this video) for a Best Male Dance award. I expected to watch EXO’s MV and think the dancing was good but prefer BTS because I’m ARMY. But I was totally shocked; the EXO MV choreography was barely average. You hear that the Big 3 companies in South Korea had advantages but when you watch the MVs that were nominated side by side the corruption is crystal clear.
I do not wish to pick on EXO though. EXO and BTS get on great - with mutual respect as far as I can see. It’s the EXO fan base that has (yes, present tense) the problem with BTS’s success.
If you continue on this BTS journey you will see evidence of the attacks on BTS and understand why ARMY continues to be protective. Right now there are various twitter campaigns by antis, including recent rehashed plagiarism accounts- all whilst the 7 were still in the military so naturally ARMY had to rebuke these on BTS’s behalf
Oh wow, that's truly heartbreaking that people go out of their way to hate on such an incredible group. Truly disappointing but I'm happy Army goes so HAM for BTS because they truly deserve all the love in the world.
If you want to learn more in depth, from the members themselves, I would suggest you get your hands on a copy of their book Beyond The Story: 10 year record of BTS by Myeongseok Kang and BTS. It’s really informative and it gives great insight to what they were going through and what they thought about the events during their early career
Hey baby💜 army welcome to the rabbit hole! Most of the so-called BTS controversies are total bulshit You can look it up see for yourself. I actually like the song boy in luv. there was nothing misogynistic what you said was completely right. Crazy thing about this is BTS continuously apologizes for things that they shouldn't have to apologize for up until recently rm song groin is him after 10 years of being graceful and turning the other cheek to all the hate finally popping off with that song💜 girlll if you were mad now you should hear about what BTS and army are dealing with now thanks to a crazy ex executive of their company min hye jin launched a smear campaign against the BTS while they're in the military because she thinks if she can take BTS down she can take the company down and in the media of course has latched on reporting the bts is connected to a cult. Which is complete bulshit I say again
Yes ARMY historians, researchers, who got together from all over the world to do the research and write the White Paper. There are very educated people all over the world who are part of ARMY. They know how to do fact check and do research and how to present things correctly citing all references.
The “Cypher series” (there are 3) is like a clap back to their haters. It’s just the rap line though (RM, Suga and J-Hope), no vocals. Also, I completely understand your frustration and anger while watching this video. I’m glad xCeleste made it. I became an ARMY just 3 yrs ago, and I was mad about all the stuff they went through that was shown in this video that I cried. But it made me appreciate them even more. As an Asian myself, I’ve gone through racism as well. These amazing men have comforted me through their music and after watching their show “Run BTS” made me realize that they’re so real and relatable. They are so inspiring and I’m so proud of them. 💜
Knowing their story, helps you understand their music better, the songs dedicated to army, the lyrics and their personal journey which is documented through their albums and told through their bangtan universe storyline. Rise of Bangtan, RUclips Series does a really good job of taking you through what they went through while tying the music they were making to those times of hardship and hope, definitely don't miss Rise of Bangtan, especially if you are an RM stan, his speeches are incredible. You should also watch his first UN speech 2018 separately in a video.
I just found your channel today and watched all your bts reaction marathon😊😊i really love your reaction. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
that german host guy... he recieved a huge backlash. armys all over the world were bringing the issue about the racism towards asians, not only for the sake bts but in general too, because of the increased aggressions due to the pandemic
he and his company tried to apologise a few times stating that he "wasn't intending to be offensive" (yeah calling them "little pissers" and "blasphemy" on air is not offensive at all) and "attempted to express his feeling in an exaggerated manner that hurt the feeling of bts' fans". they claimed it was just a joke and never realized that jokes can be racist too and can have drastic consequences
they also never realised that it wasn't exactly about hurting armys feelings. we never made it about our feelings. we were fighting the blatant anti-asian internalised racism
with every attempt to save his image the guy was burring himself even further, saying he can't be called racist because he uses a korean car (it was japanese but it doesn't even matter, how a car can be compared to the respect towards a nation), saying he just underestimated armys power along the way calling us "fanatical followers of a musical cash machine" that "distorted his statements" by the "currently very popular racist stick". it was a mess. a mess that perfectly shows you what kind of environment bts and army have to deal with regularly
an interesting info from the Weverse publishing: "BTS’s latest collab “My Universe,” was made through a kind of understanding between the group and Coldplay. The collab itself had been under consideration much earlier, but Coldplay’s name came up when a German DJ made racist remarks about BTS in early 2021 while preparations were being made. Both BTS and Coldplay clearly opposed the idea of racism. Consequently, this social awareness found its way into the final product when it was eventually released, making the collaboration about more than just the song itself."
and the lines from the song are "they said we can't be together because we come from different sides"
Peachy, I already know you are going to love exploring their music! And I really think you would get a kick out of their variety show Run BTS. Captioned episodes are available here on RUclips on BTS' official channel Bangtantv or on Weverse. Both options are free. I'm a huge fan of the fan-made docuseries The Rise of Bangtan but I don't think it's required viewing at the beginning of your journey. Please do whatever makes you happy and that you enjoy. I will say that I prefer recorded reactions like you've been doing because so many reactors don't pay attention when they livestream. There are a few who are good at balancing the chat and the content but in my opinion, most are not. I agree with others who have said that we prefer to see your face in the larger screen. We've all seen the original content multiple times and we're tuning in to see/hear your reaction and commentary! I appreciate you giving our guys a chance and look forward to future BTS reactions! 💜
***Stan refers to the other 3 letter group fan... so fan (stan) of *** Army don't bother going into the details of the others... as we've explained below... (the page on the hate that Tae rec'd when his grandmother passed though, clearly shows the name of the other group for those who may or may not be interested..... Let me be clear also... it was the fandoms mainly... not the members of the other groups... ) And yes... Army wrote that 166 historical paper to support and defend BTS... antis used Jimin's Tshirt as ammunition to spread some more hate about them... it's ongoing.. .but don't take Army on... we normally win with facts and common sense.... On the military change... other fandoms were annoyed because BTS got the extension from age 28 until age 30 due to being recipients of the Cultural Medal... there was not and has not ever been anything stopping those other groups or artists from attaining the medal themselves... all they needed to do was put in as much effort and civil/community service as BTS has.... to sit back and complain because you're not eligible for it but not do anything to prove you're worthy of winning it just doesn't make sense to me.
10:07 ela censura para que não gere hate, ela fala e demonstra fatos com provas mas mesmo assim muitas vezes ela (e o seu canal) é acusado de "fazer outros grupos ficarem mal" mesmo quando ela só os menciona quando precisa explicar algo ou como nesse vídeo onde ela censura. É por precaução mesmo.
The plagiarism accusation surrounding Blood, Sweet, and Tears -- the photographer was confused why people were telling him BTS stole his work. He said he appreciated their homage and never saw it as stealing.
One last thing 💜💜Army don't forget to stream our Angel Jimins new music video who and his album muse! 💜💜💜
Honestly that’s not all, it was so much more and worse. The Exo fandom was brutal at that time when Army was small like bts.
government was holding enlistment over bts' heads for years, "discussing" if they deserved to be exempted or not. but the truth is that they use it as a power play. if bts were exempt i think they would've still enlisted on thier own accord just so they wouldn't owe anything to the military ministry. in the last months before bts announced their decision to enlist the government was preparing a bid that would allow (make) bts take days out of their serving duty to keep practicing, attending different shows and hold concerts. basically, the government wanted bts to do both at the same time, which is a huge concern about overworking the boys. all because they were scared the soft power of SK would go down with BTS not present in the scene. but they didn't actually want to exempt bts because it would've became a precedent for more music artists to demand exemption. and also bts serving is a free military ad for sk citizens aka "look even bts are enlisting"
When people when say netizens it means people on the internet or commenters online mostly hate comments Also to make yourself feel better because the Creator is hilarious you should watch karma is an army part 1 there are multiple
there are more ways in which bts shaped kpop rather than kpop shaping bts. "trends bts has created" and "MORE trends bts has created" are two vids by Boracity Magazine that will help you understand what I mean. major standarts for how kpop group make and present their content was started by bts and later was adopted by the rest of the industry in hopes of meeting the same success as bts
Uppppp!!!
I just want to thank you for these videos, we appreciate and enjoy them so much. Borahae! 💜
27:08 she is a stan of another group. The fandom she's from is crazy they tried to kick a member out of their group because he got married and has children. This group also had a convicted serial r-worder in it and some of the fans still support him.
This video breaks my heart. I hate that they had to go through all this..I understand why ARMY is so protective. I love BTS but I am not ARMY. I respect BTS and they literally deserve the world. They are an absolutely amazing group and the world needs them.
This is my 1st video with you and I loved it. I shared your outrage when I saw it. I love your open mind and passionate responses. I look forward to more videos
Another big reason why BTS kept on going regardless of all these struggles is because of their love for ARMY. They know ARMY always has their back, and they also know the struggles ARMY goes through because of all the love and support we show to them. BTS always show their love and appreciation for ARMY through many outlets. One in particular is all of the songs they have written to and for ARMY. I know eventually you will react to them, but I wanna suggest "2! 3!"which is the first official song they wrote to ARMY.
Thank you for clarifying about looking up because Infelt like in this video that you were missing a lot by talking at some moments when something was being talked about or looking up. I’m happy you clarified. 😊
Oi oi ☺️🩷
Obrigado por mais um video!
Uma aleatoriedade: saiu um dorama esse ano chamado youth que a história dele é baseado na história que percorre os álbuns do BTS - o Bangtan Universe (BU).
No canal da xCeleste tem videos explicando caso queira. A história percorre MVs (como I Need You, Shadow, Epiphany, Run (2015), Butterfly, entre outros), jogos, histórias em quadrinhos online e anotações nos álbuns também ✨
JK can not hold a grudge and work with that guy again, but I shall NEVER FORGIVE!!!!!! That moment made me a JK bias. I will protect him till forever! 💜
Deaths threats are crazy. But the ones made towards V because he said his grandma pass is the most unhinged thing ever. Poor V
literally.. what kind of sick weirdos were doing that i literally cannot FATHOM
@@peachysaiyan yes its disgusting. I can't believe people are that sick. To lose his grandmother and he was super close to her and have to deal with death threats and people making fun of her death it's so sad. He's like one of the most happiest people. I don't understand how people are so cruel
Idk why army come at you for saying BTS is kpop, they literally are. When we say they're beyond kpop, we're talking success, like they aren't stuck in the kpop bubble and are one of the biggest artists in the world. They will always be kpop though.
I know, I don’t get that either. The boys consider themselves KPop Idols.
And Kpop is more of a Music Industry rather than a genre. You will find many genres under the umbrella of Kpop or Idol Music, and even then one of the quirks of the industry is genre mashups and switches in the songs. It keeps it very dynamic and fresh.
theyre literally not. koreans were saying it just yesterday that bts isnt kpop and theyre above kpop. idol doesnt = kpop. kpop is a western term that has been misconstrued by english speakers especially english media.
kpop has never been a genre its a industry but bts always had 1 foot in and 1 foot out of being idols and as of 2018ish they took the other foot out. they still are proud of being a idol but they also dont like its limitations and dont wanna be called one at the same time. idol came out 2018. dionysus came out 2019 "born as a idol reincarnated artist". i think ppl need to actually listen to what bts say because they are allowed to change their minds, theyre allowed to mentor and help their countries artists theyre allowed to be proud of being a idol while also not wanting to be called one. and not wanting to be limited to the idol box. theyre allowed to get angry and upset at being looked down on for being idols and not wanting to be called idols while also getting angry at non koreans speaking badly on idols and korea. its like the i can laugh at you but no one else can type of relationship they have with the idol identity and label. they dont mind it when its positive but if someone uses it in a negative way to diminish them they will remind people theyre not the typical idol.
its nuanced and people should listen to what they and other koreans say about it not about what they are seen as according to google or western/english media calls them.
if they truly liked being called idols why would they have other songs lyrics and interviews where they say the opposite like the members saying its not kpop its bts-pop. and koreans agreeing. two things can be true at once and everyone always yells at us when we say theyre more than kpop when they literally are. theyve always had 1 foot out of the industry. and its the reason how they went farther than every group before them.
@@Imme_begin they consider themselves /sometimes/ as idols. not kpop.
@@tastefullyrics4895 Kpop is an industry. One that they are in. It’s the industry in their home country of Korea. They have often called themselves idols. Yes they are artists, and yes they are artists. And there are other artists within the kpop industry as well. BTS may be unique in a lot of ways, but they aren’t the only ones. Don’t diminish and dismiss an entire culture just to fit your own narrative. There is nuance to everything.
Thanks for your reaction 🤭
Yes this is infuriating that they had to go through this :/ I was so mad the first time I discovered about all this.
On the same subject, and it's okay if you want to watch it on your own time offline, there is a youtube series of videos called "karma is an Army" that target people hating on BTS and yet BTS still winning ^^
Again, thanks for your reaction 🤗
Topps is one of the major baseball card companies. Garbage Pail Kids started when I was a kid (late 80s). It was a parody of the cabbage patch kids phenomenon.
The "MisOgyNiStic" song is called War of Hormone and it was actually the first song I ever heard by BTS. It is a banger honestly, I hope you can react to it at some point 😁
Edit: answering to your question, about the censored names... the biggest hater of BTS at that time were EXO fans and BigBang fans
Even til today those mf won't leave us alone and now we hv to deal with blinks too...
Unbelievably this stuff continues to this day. Just in recent months, V had a Ssaeng get into the elevator at him home and presented him with a marriage license. Others accused him of racism because someone asked him about a do rag hanging up that someone had given him, so he tried it on for them. Jung Kook has Ssaesangs sending foot to his home and standing outside his home. When he released his album there was someone who tweeted asking for people to get him in touch with a Ssaeng to Sl4 ugh t3r him and his family. The person then said, maybe it would be better to do it just to his family because it would hurt JK more. There are lots of sickos out there. I could write more in all of them, but I’ll stop. I think you get the message,
1:01:57 idk if you're as chronically online as I am, but that radio host is currently getting canceled by Tana Mongeau and Brooke Schofield for leaking private conversations
Omg TRUEEE! He’s so skeevy EW
@@peachysaiyanI'm so glad he's getting called out now. He never pushes back when his guests or co host say shit
Love your reactions, so genuine and sweet, I know you're going to fall in love with them as much as we do.
Thank you for tus video 💜💜 please continues reacting to BTS 💜 react to The Rise of Bantang episodes 💜💜💜
Tipo o hate para eles é algo que não tem explicação - eles sempre foram respeitosos e gentis com todos - nós só os apoiamos e tentamos o nosso melhor pra demostrar amor para compensar (por isso alguns armys são um pouco sensíveis ao defende-los) 🥺❤️🩹
It's because they do stand out as amazing artists, hold to good principles, and are a threat as they see it to their own groups. So they go balistic and attack like rabid wild animals, their mindsets are twisted by jealousy, hate and frustration that BTS different and don't really fit the Kpop model. They have a foot in Kpop but they also are global artists and now they are the most awarded global artists.
O problema é que existem muitas pessoas amarguradas, e elas precisam despejar o ódio que tem dentro delas em alguém, e o BTS é um grupo que só por existir já é muito estereotipado pelo fato deles serem homens que cantam e dançam, sendo assim abre portas para muita gente despejar o ódio que tem em cima deles. Além disso, o fato de ter muitos haters e o pessoal vim na internet e ficar falando merda sobre eles é algo que abre mais portas ainda para mais hate, já que existem crianças e até mesmo adolescentes e adultos que são os famosos "Maria vai com as outras", sendo assim, se é moda odiar algo, então porque não odiar junto? (As vezes a pessoa pode estar fazendo apenas para não sofrer bullying, o que infelizmente existe e acontece com frequência, ou para se sentir descolado por ser igual os outros que tem culhão pra falar qualquer coisa sem ligar para quem vai cair em cima com ódio, enfim, existem muitas razões.)
E ai junta outros fatores, como por exemplo, outros fandom tentarem diminuir as conquistas dos meninos apenas para tentar se sentir bem e conseguir enaltecer os favs, dai acaba que cria um problemão e vira a bola de neve de haters que existe, quando na real o BTS nunca deu motivo algum para odiar eles e pior ainda, ameaçarem eles ou até mesmo acusarem eles de crimes.
They are still considered kpop. But they are also wayyyy bigger than kpop .
I was there in 2016 fighting against that ONE Fandom that spread hate and bad comments on BTS all the time... Ohhh I just remembered everything happened back then it makes me angry again.. But to be honest BTS really shut these people mouth with their wins and success and I was so proud watching that
Yes, you are right.my son also used makeup.bcoz he is part time model.even though he didn't do the part time model.now 2024 all teenagers, young man,father's,kpop,jpop,cpop or whatever also used makeup for sure 😊
Unfortunately, this isn't even 1% of the bs BTS and ARMY went through and still have to deal with
About the 14$ hoodie thing, it wasn't something that SUGA did himself. It was their stage and promotion outfits from the label. Big Hit was near bankruptcy at their start and BTS almost didn't get a chance to debut at all because of lack funds. The group was actually basically disbanded in 2013 for that reason and they were asked to vacate their dorm. But the Rap Line refused to leave the dorm because they had nowhere to go and stayed for like a month. Fortunately, Big Hit had a last minute investment and BTS was able to return to their dorm and prepare to debut
About the bad articles you've seen recently, they just went through another smear campaign at the start of 2024 in South Korea. Those smear campaigns' only goal is to throw a bunch of accusations, bombarding the media to damage an artist's image in the general public's eyes. No matter if those are baseless accusations, this does a lot of damage and it's extremely taxing on the artists. It also conveniently happened in the small window of time where all the members were away for their military service, before Jin came back. And the media is controlled by the Big 3 (SM, YG and JYP). This isn't the first smear campaign against them and it sadly won't be the last...
Oh, trust us, people can actually be bold enough to copy almost exactly what another group did. It happened a lot after BTS' global rise, for example - everyone was copying them (not plagiarism but it was very obviously inspired sometimes). Although, all the accusations against BTS were ridiculous and childish. They won all their cases when they went to court over those same accusations
The alleged misogynistic lyrics were mostly from 'Boy in Luv' and 'War of Hormones'. Most of the "problematic" lyrics were either mistranslations or not bad per say. In 'War of Hormones', they deliberately used words that described teenagers and young adult men's feelings toward women. The MV was even completely unserious and overexaggerated on purpose. So, yes, it was exactly that. It was not misogynistic, just honest. If girls had done the exact same toward men, they wouldn't have had any problem. And I never saw any of those "misogynistic tweets"
Clarification: they are K-pop but they go beyond K-pop. There's a lot of history between K-poppies (≠ from K-pop fans, K-poppies are entitled K-pop BTS Antis) and ARMY. K-poppies have for a long time tried to ostracise BTS and ARMY from the K-pop scene so some ARMYs don't like to be associated with K-pop at all. And because they are always put in the "K-pop" categories in West when they should compete with global artists. They also suffered a lot from K-pop's prejudices. All those things contributed to some ARMYs reluctance to label them as K-pop
Antis is the name of haters in general. Not just people who dislike an artist but those who go out of their way to hate them
Unfortunately, there are still a lot of fandoms who team up to bully BTS and ARMY. There's an on-going series called 'Karma is an ARMY' which really fun to watch but also quite infuriating. Recently, some fandoms teamed-up to vote against JK for 'Seven'. Those people hate BTS and wish to see them lose more than they want to see their own favs have recognition. They refrain from voting for their own favorites to vote for the second option just to try and beat BTS. It's quite pathetic from those people and sad for artists who end with less 5% of the votes just because their fans wanted BTS to lose more than support them
BTS, since their debut, has always been shunned by the K-pop Industry because they come from a small label. The Big 3 controls the media in South Korea. They created an environment where only their artists can compete for the top spot. But BTS started competing and winning over their artists no matter how much they tried to shut them down and ended up completely out of reach for everyone else. The Industry has always seen BTS as a problem and not only in Korea. Watch 'Why the Industry is terrified of BTS' to understand more
The event about V's grandmother passing is honestly so disgusting. I don't understand how some people can look at themselves in a mirror after mocking someone in such a vulnerable moment of their life
The reporter who asked about plagiarism accusations came from another label's news website. They sent him to put the group in trouble if they had lost their temper or responded something that could have been twisted. Fortunately, they all are trained and Yoongi answered in the best possible way
The problem with MBC is that they gave more attention to NBC's program instead of MBC's so they got petty. FYI, even if they officially "made peace" with HYBE, MBC is still being petty toward BTS specifically. NBC gave more coverage and reach to BTS and it was a unique experience for them. They seemed so excited to be there! Unfortunately, it got ruined a bit by the rude and hypocrite host of NBC's program in the end...
Ok, so, the Big 3 created an environment where only their groups are allowed to compete for the top and exclude other artist from the media so only their groups get the most media coverage - BTS was not different. But they decided to promote outside of the traditional media outlets. They used RUclips and promoted a lot in other Est Asian countries. It gave them a more international audience. That's part of why Koreans were surprised of their "sudden" climb to the top. The Korean media didn't report about their accomplishments at all and they "suddenly" started to win over the top groups in South Korea. Their growth was never inorganic or sudden, even in the US but the media refused to give them attention to lessen their credibility and reach. The Industry (International and Korean) are salty because BTS actually makes money from their music and don't give them any of it
It was so funny that they tried to use BTS' name to get a revision but the government said: "Yes, you're quite right. BTS does bring a lot of money to the country. Let's f* you all over and make a new law where only them qualify!" 😂 They never intended not to go anyway 😌💜
Some great "rage" or maybe rather "outrage" songs from them would be Ugh! (requires the explanation video by DKDKTV), Not Today (inspired by a quote by Martin Luther King Junior), We On, Baepsae (requires the explanation video by DKDKTV) and in a more subtle way Spring Day (requires the explanation video by Italian ARMY, linked below).
Spring Day is also called "The Queen" because it's been on the South Korean Gaon chart non-stop for seven years so far, the longest for any song in the history of the chart. It's possibly one of their most important songs politically speaking as well. Trigger warning for that one though as it deals with a national tragedy involving kids and you *will* be needing tissues. 😢
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What You Still Don't Know About BTS Spring Day:
ruclips.net/video/FrT4a_Fw6pE/видео.htmlsi=oEYbiqnqwHuMQL68
The burger incident is sad since Jungkook was just a kid. He was only 19....first time in a show without his older brothers aka the members and they took advantage of that as well as their lack of clout.
The alleged misogynistic lyrics was “boy in luv” and the song called “war of hormones” 16:04
The hate they continue to receive to this day is insane. I truly don't know how they do it (keep going & push through the hate). They get it from ALL sides. I'm just so grateful that they have each other.
17:51 They are part of the kpop industry, but armys refer to them more towards pop music than idol music (a more correct term for K-pop, since K-pop is not a genre), so when army talks about BTS not being K-pop is a matter of details commonly known by armys, for example, they didn't come from Big3, they had much more artistic freedom with their work than any other idol group, they write their own lyrics and leave their work grow naturally, without much influence from the company, without jumping from one concept to another without reason (they are artists before idols), they do not have a musical focus in the way that is generally seen in K-pop (edm, dubsted, or the infamous noise music), and saying this sometimes creates confusion with both armys and other fandoms, because it is still taboo to say that they are not kpop, so, you understand, among armys, we get used to recognizing this difference, but outside of our line, in the media, and among multifandoms, you will commonly see them referred to as kpop
Hi, i am back. Good reaction, ty. Love ur energy. My fav reactor Caitlin Benson got similar vibes but she still learning to ignore the haters. I am glad u pay them no mind. Love your eyeliner. It's so cool. Rosan(xCeleste) does a good job with this summary. She is a 2014 army. I hope she updates this video or does a part 2. Not pleasant info to hear but I don't want to run away from things that make BTS who they are today. I was really taken aback by 1st listen/watch as baby army. And u know the USA media do the same thing. They barely talk about BTS. They make u think oh this music is for young girls. This will not be my thing. But that is so wrong. I ignored BTS for years. It makes no sense. I love anime and am a big otaku. I like Asian fashion and food. Why would i ignore BTS? I am still mystified years later. Appreciate your honesty. Liked your passion too. Really happy to be your sub. Love hearing ur thoughts. A few months ago i watched the full video of that doc explaining BTS and the white paper project. Army is truly amazing. BTS are BTS genre as we like to say. If that helps. =0] That same host actually is Suga's friend. He apologised to them. It was a misunderstanding. He thought BTS were nasty ppl but they not. He was a baka but he was forgiven. Anties are used for all haters. But there are also solo's who are bad news and sasaengs(stalkers). The festival thing was due to the contract. The contract said all members had to be there. So it was just bad timing. Peachy the shirt did not cause an issue. Japan just used the shirt and BTS as scapegoats for their anger at losing money in court. The reporter was hired by another enternaimnet company to cause issues for BTS. Netizens means citizens of Korea. Like regular ppl. So the more guides u watch and the documentaries the more u will understand that before BTS SK artists gave up any hope to get into USA markets. Everyone knew it was not possible. What BTS and army did was show that it was possible and if BTS can do it so can others. Stray Kids are doing very well in USA and growing steadily. So are some other groups. BTS paved the way. BTS = Bangtan Seoyeondan (in Korean) aka Bulletproof Boy Scouts (translated). Next BTS reaction - Your Eyes Tell, Mic Drop ft. Steve Aoki, Fake Love, DNA, Boy with Luv ft. Halsey, Black Swan, ON: Kinetic Manifesto film, Fire, Not Today, Save Me, Blood Sweat & Tears, Dope, Airplane pty.2, etc. I guess u should also watch Who Is BTS, This Is BTS: Introduction (part 1), BTS contribution to music, BTS from nobodies to legend 2019. "The Most Beautiful Life Goes On: A Story of BTS" 2022 by Rice Squad, A LONG AND HELPFUL GUIDE TO BTS (2024) by Purple Snow. If u want to know them more :) Hugs. -NY USA 2019 Army💟
P.S. I would pay attention to that military law because SKs have to enlist as well. All Korean born men have to do army, or navy, etc. If they fail the physical test than they got to do civil service for 21 months. Ouch. Navy is 21 months too. Army is 18 months.
A LONG AND HELPFUL GUIDE TO BTS (2024) by Purple Snow ruclips.net/video/CnrhrMFTilU/видео.html
@forg_tful. said on 5/31/22
when it comes to that performance bts did at the festival in 2016 when RM was injured but they still performed with no cameras rolling, confetti on the ground (which was dangerous to dance on) and bare minimum lighting because the festival wouldn't let them back into the regular lineup, it's a part of army lore at this point. armys who were there were furious at the festival organizers and refused to leave the venue. bts themselves wanted to perform and finally managed to convince the people in charge to let them do their small 3 song set (fire, save me, dope) which you can find fancams of on youtube. a small detail you will spot is that many people said you could visibly see jimin was still irked by what happened and he danced more aggressively than usual. it was pure sabotage. and you can see there were many armys there so it made no sense to dump them from the lineup because they got more hyped than some of the big company acts who were in the regular lineup. 2016 was the year bts slowly started dominating the industry and kpop companies who were at the top did everything in their power to derail them even more than before. luckily, bts and armys persevered. but we still do get bs situations like this, just less overt than this one.
@queensas649 said on 7/16/23
38:25 The thing is (if I remember correctly) BTS are the youngest people to ever get this award, everyone else was over 30, so them saying other artists need to get at least recommend for it before they turn 30 was a huge slap in their faces. Also these other agencies used BTS as example for exemption/postponement and with that acknowledged their success. But when this new "BTS law" was introduce's they whined because their own artists aren't even remotely close to have what BTS has so there is no way they would get exempted.
@erume5776 said on 7/26/24