@@KOAHUNT3R I had a game where my 3 Las cannons wounded the opponents Dark Angel Landspeeder. He then rolled 3 sixes for the save. I understand Vito's pain.
El Cucuy I believe (based in attitudes expressed in the Black Legion books) that it is because they believe he has no right to call himself emperor. In the eyes of the traitor legions, the Imperium was built on the blood and bones of the legions, with the “emperor” planning on betraying them and disposing of them once they had served their purpose - just like he did with the thunder warriors.
@@Waagghhboy From what I've been told. His falsehood comes from him being a false god. He's just a mortal, who stole the powers of the warp. Not to mention the fact chaos marines know the truth about the Imperium, and a lot of them, want to burn it down. To be fair I'm on 3rd ed lore right now with learning lore stuff, and Rogue Trader is still the best.
By the time he was done going over his list Luka managed to say Wolf, (including the varition of Wulf as in wulfen stone) 30 times. He also said beast once. I always consider a drinking game but when it comes to space wolves, use caution.
It's ok, me and my friends still play the "wolf" drinking game when I bust out my list. So far our record is 47 before we ended mid game n had to leave the table xD
Luka: "I didn't really bring a shooting list, but that felt oppressive" Also Luka: *two squads of heavy weapons and a gunship with 6 meltas and two lascannons*
Currently those two squads have a combined total of 10 W on a T4 3+ save profile. The flyer can do stuff, but isn't OP in any way. It is true that Josh had an army that couldn't do with them easily but the army itself isn't to blame. At about 36:00 They have an interesting discussion about the real issue. If both you and your opponent bring 2 big shooty hitters, you go first and manage to cripple/destroy both their units, the other side is on their way to losing the game quite often. :(
Play with more big LoS-blockers. The Sicaran and Dread should have had places to hide such that the Wolves couldn't get LoS to them on turn 1 without being very exposed.
If you can't deploy your heavy weapon units so they have a full and uninterrupted view of the entire table, then congratulations; you're probably using enough LOS blocking terrain.
Got to be more obscuring on table. Josh needed to hide the sicarian and dreadnought behind the bit he had. Only the flyer should have got first turn shots. Not enough obscuring terrain is why you guys think going first is still the king. You aren't in 8th anymore
Billy badasses in the fluff, anemic on the TT with their gimmick of raptors and warptalons being overcost garbage. Meanwhile 1k Sons and Alpha Legion get slapped in the fluff and are just about as good as CSM can be on the TT
34:31 Sevetar! I freaking love Sevetar! One of my favorites among all Astartes! I'd love to know what he was doing during the books Talon of Horus and Black Legion!
I am 100% here for this after game ramble. Hearing everyone's thoughts (both these three and the others in the MWG crew) on the game and rules is super interesting to me!
That was a very wholesome BatRep to watch. Love the dicussions between you two and that both of you actually wanted your opponent to win this. More of this please :)
As another mentioned, Ulrik has an extra Litany so that helps him be even better than a regular one. Just wish he had better mobility. :p And I am so glad that the ObSec rule for the Wolves was corrected. Honestly, it was an obvious mistake to me and I would have run them like any other Marine Chapter. But I digress. :) Love the look of that Night Lords army by the way. ;) Thanks for another great BatRep! I will say that the issue with the first turn really shows when you use single model units that are more powerful. They are much easier to focus fire, so you almost have to hide them. And going second can help you push someone off of Objectives when it is part of the mission.
@@cassiuskhan2465 saga of the veast FAQ included the datasheet for ulrik. He knows litany of hate (all chaplain/wolf priest) and 2 litanies. But in addition every wolf priest knows tale of the wolf king and lord of the deeps if your army is battle forged.
The masonry is fine here brother! Fucking killed me 😂. I know it is probably not that funny, but in my head I had small scene when these boyz just checking the walls in middle of a battle 😂😂😂
@1:57:00 I believe you can Lone Wolf at the end of any Phase when the Unit is down to 1 model, it doesn't have to be the phase that the unit was reduced.
In the rare rules section of the rulebook (at least in the app) the section on "Explodes" says "[...] some models have an ability that gives them a chance to explode (or crash and burn, or lash out with death throes etc.) and inflict mortal wounds on nearby units." This would imply the Vengeance of the Machine Spirit stratagem would still work on the flyer.
Probably you guys need to work more on your terrain, specially using more obscuring pieces, if you do it right you will limit the efficiency of the one going first. Btw the already faq the objective secure for the whole arrmy for space wolves, they don´t get it anymore.
I like the idea of the player going second getting their reinforcements turn 1. It is an incredibly powerful advantage - comparable with the ability to shoot the hell out of your opponent turn 1. Plus, otherwise there is really no point to reserves for someone going second - they really arrive after the battle is already lost
39:00 There should really be enough obscuring terrain to help avoid the turn 1 alpha strike. I don't have 9th edition yet, but in 8th you could have turn one at dawn or in a dense fog, so in the first battle round everybody suffers a to hit penalty to reduce the benefit of going first.Marines are so good though with their re-rolls, I think you would still need obscuring terrain even with a to-hit penalty.
37:35 - The goal to go second is if you run 1k pts space wolves detachment with three packs of blood claws with terminator pack leaders you do not want to go first as you can do literally nothing but move. P.S. Actually, even in that game on first turn space wolves did not too much. And this is 2k pts. Stormwolf with meltas and two packs of long fangs are about 1k pts, actually. And it is not the list you want to bring to 1k pts battle. P.P.S. It kind of nice that you feel bad about destroying your opponent, but it hurts so bad to see that you gives up your guys to not to disappoint him. Not using that "vengeance of the machine spirit" was so bad. And then you lose three of Arjac's shieldbrothers in the explosion. My heart is bleeding... P.P.P.S. 1:04:50 - rune priests are HQ and you need to run two detachments to include them as wolf priest, wolf lord and WGBL are must have. Yes, rune priests are good, but they do not help you with hth, so...
I just have a quick question. I am recently getting back into Warhammer 40K I just ordered the new rule book. I was wondering what else should I get to get all the updated rules? Are all the space Wolf Point values in the new rule book? One last one. Are they re-releasing the codexes and if so when is the Space Wolves coming out?
You actually can set Ulric on the battlefield, inspire the litanies and then embark on rhino at the start of the movement phase. It is allowed as far as I know. Correct me if I'm wrong. 1:08:07 - Rhino is leadership 9 because of Ulrik, not basic 8. And I'm not sure that the leadership of Ulrik is reduced by chaos marines
Can't see anything in Ulrich's rules that says he ignores negative modifiers to leadership. Night Lords legion trait is that you have -1 leadership for each NL unit within 6" to a max -3
@@lonerinacrowd9431 I mean he seemed to be too far from any night lords. But it doesn't matter as even if he was close enough he becomes leadership 8 and it is not less then terminators so they do not get +1 to hit
Yes Ulrik could inspire with his litany, but once he's is embarked in the rhino, he's off the table, and therefore nothing is within range of his litany, so it wouldn't matter because of the litany he chose.
@@dusting2706 yes, but with correct choice of four litanies this strategy could be used in future games. For example, he could do catechism of fire on long fangs with plasma giving them 3+ to wound against t8 and 2+ against t7 on supercharge. He is super solid as a wolf priest now knowing four and inspiring two.
1. Space Wolf player brought 670 points of literally the best anti armour shooting units Space Wolves have access to, Primaris or no. Then used 2 of the best shooting stratagems in almost any Marine Codex. Then Space Wolf player blames it in being new marines...using stuff we've had access to in the Codex since 8th. Nope, you built a list and used strats, it doesn't get more intentional than that. 2. It doesn't help the entertainment value of your games to immediately bash factions, unit types, and complain about rules at like 31 minutes in before a player has even had their first turn. Chaos Suckz, marines are broken, Primaris are too shooty... come on guys. 3. If one player plays optimally in his first turn and the other player deploys all their valuable units out in the open, it's not the game or the rule's fault that the match becomes a landslide loss. There was terrain available to hide those units.
Lone Wolf can be used in any phase where you have a unit that has been reduced to a single model. Doesn't have to happen in the phase that the unit was reduced to a single unit.
Just once I want to see an optimized Space Wolves list, made of a mix of both minimarines and Primaris, or all Primaris. I've only see it once versus Tyranids, and I genuinely believe Space Wolves are competitive in this edition. It feels like they're played as a gimmick on this channel.
They are because the only person that plays them is frankly not that good of a player and treats the SW like a joke. He only makes "whatever I feel like" lists which usually gets curb stomped.
Luka had the perfect opportunity to Lone Wolf that thunder hammer wolf guard vs chosen or the power sword wolf guard vs raptors. For shame! Lone Wolf is amazing.
I have never played but I am just putting together my first chaos list... can someone please explain the rules regarding putting different marks of chaos in a single legion detachment? I didn't think it was possible but the night lords here are mixing Khorne and Slaanesh. If it is possible does it cost anything extra and does it have to be a chaos undivided legion (Alpha, BL, WB, NL etc)
Dante A units data sheet either states directly the chaos god they serve or it states just mark of chaos. If it just says mark of chaos, then you are free to choose a chaos god you like for that unit (or none, that is also possible). The four notable exceptions are the legions that are dedicated to just one chaos god, they have to take that specific chaos god (although Death Guard and Thousand Sons have both their own codex and special rules; only Emperor’s Children and World Eaters use the Chaos Space Marine codex). So i.e. Emperor’s Children have to take Slaanesh, while World Eaters have to take Khorne. Maybe also important to note: from a rules perspective the mark of chaos is simply replaced with the keyword for the specific god and everything triggers normally from that keyword.
@@davidgantenbein9362 Awesome; thanks for your explanation. As well as certain legions needing certain marks for all units, some units like khorne beserkers, noise marines, PM and rubric marines need to be aligned to their specific god but can be in any legion? But yeah your clarification is a huge help and will make building a list more interesting.
Dante Yes, the special units that have already a god as a keyword (i.e. Noise Marines with Slaanesh) cannot take another chaos god. All these units actually lack the keyword mark of chaos because of the already given chaos god as a keyword. But the same Noise Marine data sheet still has Legion as a keyword, not directly Emperor’s Children, so the Noise Marine can also be from other Legions (i.e. Night Lords). But what I probably didn’t mention well enough: the dedicated Legions cannot take units with another chaos god as a keyword. So a Legion World Eater detachment cannot take any Noise Marines as they already have the keyword Slaanesh and are therefore unable to get the keyword Khorne (only the keyword mark of chaos could be replaced with Khorne and they don’t have that). So basically: most units can be assigned a Legion and a chaos god, but some units are limited to certain chaos gods and some legions are limited to certain chaos gods. Please also note that Death Guard and Thousand Sons have their own codices and that those codices include more units that cannot be taken by the other Legions. So for all the Legions that are not dedicated to a chaos god it’s usually good to look at stratagems ect. to figure out which chaos god a unit should like the most (i.e. Endless Cacophony can boost Slaanesh Havocs).
@Luka: I donated my entire space wolf army to MWG a while ago, with it was quite a few Wolf Priest models, done in black and gold armor. Pretty sure all in every load out, power armor, terminator, on a bike and jump pack.
Doctrines really don't work for me thematically. If I were to go through Black Library books describing a battle with Space Marines, where have they described Combat Doctrines? What would these effects sound like when described on the page?
can the fire frenzy strategem work with the leviathan? or is just the gw one, i know it moved so it would not be able to use the strategem. but i know that the kill shots won't work with the hellforged versions
But come on, men! Ulrik knows four litanies and can manifest two. Those litanies which you use are free for all priests in space wolves battleforged armies. And ordinary priest could select one more, but the one-who-raised-Logan could select two more up to four. Why none of the batreppers could do it right? Everyone chooses "the long one" as the custom litany for wolf priests, but it is said, that: "You can either roll one D6 to generate each litany randomly (re-rolling duplicate results), or you can select which litanies the model knows. In addition, if your army is Battle-forged, WOLF PRIESTS in SPACE WOLVES Detachments know the Tale of the Wolf King and the Lord of the Deeps litany in addition to any others they know." (c) Saga of the Beast
I can imagine all these Blood Claws and Grey Hunters seeing like 3 legendary heroes of the chapter in their army "By the Emperor! All these might heroes stand by us! What could this mean??" "Probably that everyone who doesn't have a name is going to die" "Ah"
Idea for what they were saying about person going second getting reserves I believe this'll make it balanced, the person who goes second gets reserves turn one but they can only come in on your deployment zone or no man's land
At my local shop the main reason to go second with reserves is to not have units shot turn one, especially in casual when people don’t know how good something is or when marines are on the table in all honesty half the time I bring in my reserves in my deployment zone which you can do turn one if I’m not mistaken and within the 9” rule or even engagement range on your table edge to discourage some units from getting too close
Crash and Burn specifies that it explodes and Vengeance of the Machine Spirit specifies it includes the Stormwolf. Rulebook mentions Explode abilities or equivalent.
I still think that the game should alternate units within a round with no 'turns'. This could benefit armies with more units, but it would mean that unless you are one-shotting something, that something can then shoot before it dies (if you choose to activate it next). As others have commented though, more obscuring terrain, especially in the middle of the board, and hiding things in case you don't get first turn, are how you make first turn not so one-sided.
Right now, 40K is over powered marine armies walking over every other army in the game. GW has some serious work to do if they want a semi-balanced edition.
the point of going second is that you can stay hidden and force the opponent out of hiding and moving onto objs. Hopefully depending on how you deployed they move into your firing lanes. going first and getting the first shooting phase doesn't do as much if you deployed well into terrain and they don't have a lot of viable targets. however that could change depending on your opponents army so I feel going second is the stronger option with some situations where going first would pay off
I have just started a Night Lords army for 9th. Only have 1000 points painted up, but appreciate seeing them in a bat rep. helps me see how they play on the table top
A quick fix could be that each turn is done sorta simultaneously. Player 1 moves, then 2 then player 1 shoots then 2 and finally then assaults. Each turn the players swap numbers but can attempt to seize the initiative. It's could help
I think a standard rule should be that the player who does not go first gets +1 to all armor saves for free for the first turn. In 8th they introduced that as a 2cp strategem but my friends and I always make it free when we play. It does slightly help with the turn one devastation.
I have both SW and NL armies. The new 2 wound for CSM will definitely help both but more so my 8th Legion. I have 3 NL preds, a Levi and two contemptors for my NL for my anti armor. Throw in some chaos bikers and you have a list that can contest objectives and shoot the hell out of anything on the table.
Going Second lets you control the objectives on your first turn from my experiences i play Nids i tend to just get the objectives if i go second due to removing my opponent from them before the start of his second turn where he finally gets to score points
Luka, it specifies that you can do it. And on crash and burn it explodes. Additionally you reduce all dmg Arjac takes by 1. So as written it effects mortal wounds also.
Mortal wounds are resolved one at a time. So 1 mortal wound is already at the lowest it could go (the minimum of 1). So even if you suffer multiple mortal wounds the total amount can’t be reduced by abilities like Arjac
Luka, can you pop smoke on those rhinos if you advance? I though you could only pop smoke "instead of shooting", which you can't do if you advanved. Are there assault weapons on the rhinos?
Josh a good reason to go Second in 9th is that you should get a lot more of an opportunity to kill your opponent. 9th plays with a lot of terrain compared to 8th. The terrain you guys played with in this game would be considered fairly light for a 9th game, There should be or obscuring or dense terrain.
Flyer is airborn, but it has SPACE WOLVES keyword, so it gains Defenders of Humanity. Doesn't it mean that it could control objectives even though it's airborne? 2:06:00 - space wolves are obsec on all units since the start of the 8th edition, as far as I remember. I'm in warhammer only since the middle of the 8-th so can't say if they were earlier or not, but they are obsec for more then three years already. Three years. This is too old to discuss...
Sevatar was the one who cried out 'Death to the False Emperor' first!
Ave Dominus Nox.
Then he saw the Gal'Vorbak and regret this statement
Devetar can easily lead with buffs in night lord army
I feel like there was a lot more booze involved in Luka's "what are the odds" game than he would publicly care to admit lol
"Ulrich the Slayer is obviously everyone's favorite old guy."
Bjorn the Fellhanded: "Am I a joke to you?"
“The masonry is FIIIIIINE here, Brothers!” 😂 💀
I would love, if Luca tells us every Episode another reasion why he dyed his hair. Like the Joker with his scars.
Just wish he changed the reason every time..
what was the reason again for the dye?
@@tantiensu praying to the false emporer
@@tantiensu odds on
I saw Night Lord's on notifications AND CLICK!! Josh, more batreps please! Ave Dominus Nox!
I'm playing another one this Monday coming up
@@mwgjosh5161 SWEET! More Night Lords or Robots awesome can't wait!
Luka: Those Las Cannons just cleaned house.
(Of in the distance)
Vito: (cursing Las Cannons out of habit)
Poor Vito lol. I took two Las Preds last night in my game, and they just cleaned house.
@@KOAHUNT3R I had a game where my 3 Las cannons wounded the opponents Dark Angel Landspeeder. He then rolled 3 sixes for the save. I understand Vito's pain.
Jago Sevatarian was the First to say "Death to the false Emperor"
I have nothing really to add, I just know I throw some pennies to MGW for posting this.
Can someone explain why chaos Marines call the emperor "false" is it because they believe he already died ?
El Cucuy I believe (based in attitudes expressed in the Black Legion books) that it is because they believe he has no right to call himself emperor. In the eyes of the traitor legions, the Imperium was built on the blood and bones of the legions, with the “emperor” planning on betraying them and disposing of them once they had served their purpose - just like he did with the thunder warriors.
@@Waagghhboy From what I've been told. His falsehood comes from him being a false god. He's just a mortal, who stole the powers of the warp.
Not to mention the fact chaos marines know the truth about the Imperium, and a lot of them, want to burn it down.
To be fair I'm on 3rd ed lore right now with learning lore stuff, and Rogue Trader is still the best.
I came here to agree with the original comment, I stayed to tell @El Cucuy, great RUclips name bro!
Anyone else that doesn’t know anything about how to play and just watches this cause it’s awesome?
Hilariously, that's how I learned how to play...
Luka doing his best AoS fireslayers impression. Also captain Sevatar I believe yelled it first after Logan finished his speach
First captain ;)
By the time he was done going over his list Luka managed to say Wolf, (including the varition of Wulf as in wulfen stone) 30 times. He also said beast once. I always consider a drinking game but when it comes to space wolves, use caution.
It's ok, me and my friends still play the "wolf" drinking game when I bust out my list. So far our record is 47 before we ended mid game n had to leave the table xD
I mean it is in their name, its like fielding inquisitors or ultramarines and being like fuck me thats a lot of Latin
Luka: "I didn't really bring a shooting list, but that felt oppressive"
Also Luka: *two squads of heavy weapons and a gunship with 6 meltas and two lascannons*
Sad thing is, that isn't considered a shooting army compared to others out there...
@@Digiarcstudio better shooting in those 3 units than most armies can field in 5 units.
Currently those two squads have a combined total of 10 W on a T4 3+ save profile. The flyer can do stuff, but isn't OP in any way. It is true that Josh had an army that couldn't do with them easily but the army itself isn't to blame. At about 36:00 They have an interesting discussion about the real issue. If both you and your opponent bring 2 big shooty hitters, you go first and manage to cripple/destroy both their units, the other side is on their way to losing the game quite often. :(
Play with more big LoS-blockers. The Sicaran and Dread should have had places to hide such that the Wolves couldn't get LoS to them on turn 1 without being very exposed.
Yes, this
Well usually the wolves love LoS blockers more than their opponents tbh.
If you can't deploy your heavy weapon units so they have a full and uninterrupted view of the entire table, then congratulations; you're probably using enough LOS blocking terrain.
Got to be more obscuring on table. Josh needed to hide the sicarian and dreadnought behind the bit he had. Only the flyer should have got first turn shots.
Not enough obscuring terrain is why you guys think going first is still the king. You aren't in 8th anymore
Night Lords say, “Fear us” the same way Jeb Bush says, “Please clap.”
You got me good
Oof
Billy badasses in the fluff, anemic on the TT with their gimmick of raptors and warptalons being overcost garbage. Meanwhile 1k Sons and Alpha Legion get slapped in the fluff and are just about as good as CSM can be on the TT
34:31 Sevetar! I freaking love Sevetar! One of my favorites among all Astartes! I'd love to know what he was doing during the books Talon of Horus and Black Legion!
I am 100% here for this after game ramble. Hearing everyone's thoughts (both these three and the others in the MWG crew) on the game and rules is super interesting to me!
That was a very wholesome BatRep to watch. Love the dicussions between you two and that both of you actually wanted your opponent to win this. More of this please :)
As another mentioned, Ulrik has an extra Litany so that helps him be even better than a regular one. Just wish he had better mobility. :p And I am so glad that the ObSec rule for the Wolves was corrected. Honestly, it was an obvious mistake to me and I would have run them like any other Marine Chapter. But I digress. :)
Love the look of that Night Lords army by the way. ;) Thanks for another great BatRep! I will say that the issue with the first turn really shows when you use single model units that are more powerful. They are much easier to focus fire, so you almost have to hide them. And going second can help you push someone off of Objectives when it is part of the mission.
Ulrik knows those plus 2 litanies since he is a master of sanctity
where can I find this rule?
@@cassiuskhan2465 in the latest FAQ
@@cassiuskhan2465 saga of the veast FAQ included the datasheet for ulrik. He knows litany of hate (all chaplain/wolf priest) and 2 litanies. But in addition every wolf priest knows tale of the wolf king and lord of the deeps if your army is battle forged.
Would love to see Night Lords get their own product line. Feel like it could have some incredible models.
The masonry is fine here brother! Fucking killed me 😂. I know it is probably not that funny, but in my head I had small scene when these boyz just checking the walls in middle of a battle 😂😂😂
Josh v Luka... Love it. Thanks for the batrep! :)
Man it's a little frustrating watching Luca play sometimes man, Ulrik can know 4 litanies if you're army is battle forged
Kind of. He knows the "base" one and the SW specific one for free, then you pick two more. He can activate two every turn.
@@MarkAndTerra well yeah that's 4 litanies
Yes, but 2 are set. He does know 4, but you only get to pick 2.
@@MarkAndTerra yes I Know that lol
@@SoloDiggity Just clarifying for anyone else who may be reading
@1:57:00 I believe you can Lone Wolf at the end of any Phase when the Unit is down to 1 model, it doesn't have to be the phase that the unit was reduced.
In the rare rules section of the rulebook (at least in the app) the section on "Explodes" says "[...] some models have an ability that gives them a chance to explode (or crash and burn, or lash out with death throes etc.) and inflict mortal wounds on nearby units." This would imply the Vengeance of the Machine Spirit stratagem would still work on the flyer.
wait he AlSO DYED his Freaking beard that is hardcore
Image Steve with his long beard being dyed yellow or something be funny as hell
Had to double down!
You also get the extra attacks in your Warlord from the wolf. Personally I love my warlord on a Wolf too. Great job as usual guys!!
Probably you guys need to work more on your terrain, specially using more obscuring pieces, if you do it right you will limit the efficiency of the one going first. Btw the already faq the objective secure for the whole arrmy for space wolves, they don´t get it anymore.
It was good to see so many characters Lukas the trickster especially
I gotta say I LOVE seeing you play. This game in particular.
Take care y ou all :)
I like the idea of the player going second getting their reinforcements turn 1. It is an incredibly powerful advantage - comparable with the ability to shoot the hell out of your opponent turn 1. Plus, otherwise there is really no point to reserves for someone going second - they really arrive after the battle is already lost
39:00 There should really be enough obscuring terrain to help avoid the turn 1 alpha strike. I don't have 9th edition yet, but in 8th you could have turn one at dawn or in a dense fog, so in the first battle round everybody suffers a to hit penalty to reduce the benefit of going first.Marines are so good though with their re-rolls, I think you would still need obscuring terrain even with a to-hit penalty.
37:35 - The goal to go second is if you run 1k pts space wolves detachment with three packs of blood claws with terminator pack leaders you do not want to go first as you can do literally nothing but move.
P.S. Actually, even in that game on first turn space wolves did not too much. And this is 2k pts. Stormwolf with meltas and two packs of long fangs are about 1k pts, actually. And it is not the list you want to bring to 1k pts battle.
P.P.S. It kind of nice that you feel bad about destroying your opponent, but it hurts so bad to see that you gives up your guys to not to disappoint him. Not using that "vengeance of the machine spirit" was so bad. And then you lose three of Arjac's shieldbrothers in the explosion. My heart is bleeding...
P.P.P.S. 1:04:50 - rune priests are HQ and you need to run two detachments to include them as wolf priest, wolf lord and WGBL are must have. Yes, rune priests are good, but they do not help you with hth, so...
I just have a quick question. I am recently getting back into Warhammer 40K I just ordered the new rule book. I was wondering what else should I get to get all the updated rules? Are all the space Wolf Point values in the new rule book? One last one. Are they re-releasing the codexes and if so when is the Space Wolves coming out?
This was a damn good banter batrep
You actually can set Ulric on the battlefield, inspire the litanies and then embark on rhino at the start of the movement phase. It is allowed as far as I know. Correct me if I'm wrong.
1:08:07 - Rhino is leadership 9 because of Ulrik, not basic 8. And I'm not sure that the leadership of Ulrik is reduced by chaos marines
Can't see anything in Ulrich's rules that says he ignores negative modifiers to leadership. Night Lords legion trait is that you have -1 leadership for each NL unit within 6" to a max -3
@@lonerinacrowd9431 I mean he seemed to be too far from any night lords. But it doesn't matter as even if he was close enough he becomes leadership 8 and it is not less then terminators so they do not get +1 to hit
@@МаторанКод yeah sorry I thought you were saying he didn't suffer modifiers at all. My bad.
Yes Ulrik could inspire with his litany, but once he's is embarked in the rhino, he's off the table, and therefore nothing is within range of his litany, so it wouldn't matter because of the litany he chose.
@@dusting2706 yes, but with correct choice of four litanies this strategy could be used in future games. For example, he could do catechism of fire on long fangs with plasma giving them 3+ to wound against t8 and 2+ against t7 on supercharge. He is super solid as a wolf priest now knowing four and inspiring two.
1. Space Wolf player brought 670 points of literally the best anti armour shooting units Space Wolves have access to, Primaris or no. Then used 2 of the best shooting stratagems in almost any Marine Codex. Then Space Wolf player blames it in being new marines...using stuff we've had access to in the Codex since 8th. Nope, you built a list and used strats, it doesn't get more intentional than that.
2. It doesn't help the entertainment value of your games to immediately bash factions, unit types, and complain about rules at like 31 minutes in before a player has even had their first turn. Chaos Suckz, marines are broken, Primaris are too shooty... come on guys.
3. If one player plays optimally in his first turn and the other player deploys all their valuable units out in the open, it's not the game or the rule's fault that the match becomes a landslide loss. There was terrain available to hide those units.
I feel like “Chug A Mug” has met a worthy opponent with “What are the odds”! Be gentle with Vito this time...
Lone Wolf can be used in any phase where you have a unit that has been reduced to a single model. Doesn't have to happen in the phase that the unit was reduced to a single unit.
Just once I want to see an optimized Space Wolves list, made of a mix of both minimarines and Primaris, or all Primaris. I've only see it once versus Tyranids, and I genuinely believe Space Wolves are competitive in this edition. It feels like they're played as a gimmick on this channel.
They are because the only person that plays them is frankly not that good of a player and treats the SW like a joke. He only makes "whatever I feel like" lists which usually gets curb stomped.
Luka had the perfect opportunity to Lone Wolf that thunder hammer wolf guard vs chosen or the power sword wolf guard vs raptors.
For shame! Lone Wolf is amazing.
You guys choosing who went first was possibly the most Canadian moment in 40k history
What was the "raptor strike" stratagem that let the raptors roll and charge with 3d6? I thought raptor strike was just a deployment rule.
Night Lord Stratagem
@@mwgjosh5161 yeah cheers! I don't own psychic awakening so I was real confused. I eventually found it though.
OMPA LOOMPA, LOOMPADY DO! I"VE GOT ANOTHER BAT RAP FOR YOU! What do you get when you lose a bet?
Ompa Lompa .... Klingonz?
I just want to say I needed that explanation. It was bugging me last time cause I needed to know. TYVM.
Thank you very much for doing a Report with Night Lords, it’s hard finding them atm.
I have never played but I am just putting together my first chaos list... can someone please explain the rules regarding putting different marks of chaos in a single legion detachment? I didn't think it was possible but the night lords here are mixing Khorne and Slaanesh. If it is possible does it cost anything extra and does it have to be a chaos undivided legion (Alpha, BL, WB, NL etc)
Dante A units data sheet either states directly the chaos god they serve or it states just mark of chaos. If it just says mark of chaos, then you are free to choose a chaos god you like for that unit (or none, that is also possible). The four notable exceptions are the legions that are dedicated to just one chaos god, they have to take that specific chaos god (although Death Guard and Thousand Sons have both their own codex and special rules; only Emperor’s Children and World Eaters use the Chaos Space Marine codex). So i.e. Emperor’s Children have to take Slaanesh, while World Eaters have to take Khorne. Maybe also important to note: from a rules perspective the mark of chaos is simply replaced with the keyword for the specific god and everything triggers normally from that keyword.
@@davidgantenbein9362 Awesome; thanks for your explanation. As well as certain legions needing certain marks for all units, some units like khorne beserkers, noise marines, PM and rubric marines need to be aligned to their specific god but can be in any legion? But yeah your clarification is a huge help and will make building a list more interesting.
Dante Yes, the special units that have already a god as a keyword (i.e. Noise Marines with Slaanesh) cannot take another chaos god. All these units actually lack the keyword mark of chaos because of the already given chaos god as a keyword. But the same Noise Marine data sheet still has Legion as a keyword, not directly Emperor’s Children, so the Noise Marine can also be from other Legions (i.e. Night Lords).
But what I probably didn’t mention well enough: the dedicated Legions cannot take units with another chaos god as a keyword. So a Legion World Eater detachment cannot take any Noise Marines as they already have the keyword Slaanesh and are therefore unable to get the keyword Khorne (only the keyword mark of chaos could be replaced with Khorne and they don’t have that). So basically: most units can be assigned a Legion and a chaos god, but some units are limited to certain chaos gods and some legions are limited to certain chaos gods.
Please also note that Death Guard and Thousand Sons have their own codices and that those codices include more units that cannot be taken by the other Legions.
So for all the Legions that are not dedicated to a chaos god it’s usually good to look at stratagems ect. to figure out which chaos god a unit should like the most (i.e. Endless Cacophony can boost Slaanesh Havocs).
What Luka was trying to say is:
"I GOT REALLY DRUNK WITH SOME FRIENDS...BEHOLD MY PINK MANE!"
Being the official bullet magnet for a unit of Long Fangs is the Wolf Guard version of latrine duty.
@Luka: I donated my entire space wolf army to MWG a while ago, with it was quite a few Wolf Priest models, done in black and gold armor. Pretty sure all in every load out, power armor, terminator, on a bike and jump pack.
Doctrines really don't work for me thematically. If I were to go through Black Library books describing a battle with Space Marines, where have they described Combat Doctrines? What would these effects sound like when described on the page?
Am i just dumb what makes the guy able to charge the stormwolf
Jump pack
Even though Josh's Night Lords always lose, they make me want to make an army of them.
can the fire frenzy strategem work with the leviathan? or is just the gw one, i know it moved so it would not be able to use the strategem. but i know that the kill shots won't work with the hellforged versions
I believe it is just the Helbrute unit and not the keyword
@@mwgjosh5161 yea i kinda always assumed that. since the killshot was FAQ'ed
But come on, men! Ulrik knows four litanies and can manifest two. Those litanies which you use are free for all priests in space wolves battleforged armies. And ordinary priest could select one more, but the one-who-raised-Logan could select two more up to four. Why none of the batreppers could do it right? Everyone chooses "the long one" as the custom litany for wolf priests, but it is said, that: "You can either roll one D6 to generate each litany randomly (re-rolling
duplicate results), or you can select which litanies the model knows. In addition, if your army is Battle-forged, WOLF PRIESTS in SPACE WOLVES Detachments know the Tale of the Wolf King and the Lord of the Deeps litany in
addition to any others they know." (c) Saga of the Beast
Great runt at the end.
Maybe MWG should dyed their hair it be funny to see what colours they have :)
I can imagine all these Blood Claws and Grey Hunters seeing like 3 legendary heroes of the chapter in their army
"By the Emperor! All these might heroes stand by us! What could this mean??"
"Probably that everyone who doesn't have a name is going to die"
"Ah"
Why are all the ork battle reports in the vault?
“I’m the best, obviously.” LOL
Is that gona be 8 melta shots from the stromwolf when the new multimelta rules come out ? :D HAHA
Idea for what they were saying about person going second getting reserves I believe this'll make it balanced, the person who goes second gets reserves turn one but they can only come in on your deployment zone or no man's land
If you try it that way let me know how it works out
At my local shop the main reason to go second with reserves is to not have units shot turn one, especially in casual when people don’t know how good something is or when marines are on the table in all honesty half the time I bring in my reserves in my deployment zone which you can do turn one if I’m not mistaken and within the 9” rule or even engagement range on your table edge to discourage some units from getting too close
Crash and Burn specifies that it explodes and Vengeance of the Machine Spirit specifies it includes the Stormwolf.
Rulebook mentions Explode abilities or equivalent.
Automatically explode not automatically Explode.
I still think that the game should alternate units within a round with no 'turns'.
This could benefit armies with more units, but it would mean that unless you are one-shotting something, that something can then shoot before it dies (if you choose to activate it next).
As others have commented though, more obscuring terrain, especially in the middle of the board, and hiding things in case you don't get first turn, are how you make first turn not so one-sided.
Josh knows all about running space-train.
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Right now, 40K is over powered marine armies walking over every other army in the game. GW has some serious work to do if they want a semi-balanced edition.
respect Luka's classic only space marine, space wolf army.
my two favorites clash! Nice guys!
Starting at 3:02
Finally a Night Lords 9th edition batrep!
Ah yes, 'what are the odds'. A great way to get rid of some leftover food.
Guna be honest I'm a big fan of the banter after the match that you guys have! Something you never really got when you play people that come in.
Nice rally for the Night Lords!
Jaigo 'Sevetar' Sevatarian was the first mad lad to say Death to the faulse emporer
the point of going second is that you can stay hidden and force the opponent out of hiding and moving onto objs. Hopefully depending on how you deployed they move into your firing lanes. going first and getting the first shooting phase doesn't do as much if you deployed well into terrain and they don't have a lot of viable targets. however that could change depending on your opponents army so I feel going second is the stronger option with some situations where going first would pay off
I do enjoy seeing those pre-heresy night lords. Will the new rhinos be deimos pattern?
Yes
Yes! Not enough Night Lords shown in bat reps! Edit: lol nevermind space wolves clearly weren’t all meant to have ob sec play fair.
I have just started a Night Lords army for 9th. Only have 1000 points painted up, but appreciate seeing them in a bat rep. helps me see how they play on the table top
Send me pics at josh@miniwargaming.com. I need to see them!
Holy crap you guys are in Ontario!?! lol
You guys are so nice, I wish I can experience playing with y'all!
I like the editor's note. Lol
A quick fix could be that each turn is done sorta simultaneously. Player 1 moves, then 2 then player 1 shoots then 2 and finally then assaults. Each turn the players swap numbers but can attempt to seize the initiative. It's could help
I think a standard rule should be that the player who does not go first gets +1 to all armor saves for free for the first turn. In 8th they introduced that as a 2cp strategem but my friends and I always make it free when we play. It does slightly help with the turn one devastation.
I mean, the hair is sick, but Luca's T-shirt is on another level!
I loved the ramble!
I have both SW and NL armies. The new 2 wound for CSM will definitely help both but more so my 8th Legion. I have 3 NL preds, a Levi and two contemptors for my NL for my anti armor. Throw in some chaos bikers and you have a list that can contest objectives and shoot the hell out of anything on the table.
Going Second lets you control the objectives on your first turn from my experiences i play Nids i tend to just get the objectives if i go second due to removing my opponent from them before the start of his second turn where he finally gets to score points
I thought they fixed the ob sec thing this week
They recorded this before the change.
Doesn't Leviathan Dreadnoughts have a 4+ invul?
Not Chaos
Hellforged Leviathan only get a 4++ against melee weapons
Josh if you get rid of that old rhino I will never forgive you...
I'll try to have him hiding in every Batrep
MWG Josh that’s all I ever wanted!
Luka, it specifies that you can do it. And on crash and burn it explodes. Additionally you reduce all dmg Arjac takes by 1. So as written it effects mortal wounds also.
Mortal wounds are resolved one at a time. So 1 mortal wound is already at the lowest it could go (the minimum of 1). So even if you suffer multiple mortal wounds the total amount can’t be reduced by abilities like Arjac
Luka, can you pop smoke on those rhinos if you advance? I though you could only pop smoke "instead of shooting", which you can't do if you advanved. Are there assault weapons on the rhinos?
Josh a good reason to go Second in 9th is that you should get a lot more of an opportunity to kill your opponent. 9th plays with a lot of terrain compared to 8th. The terrain you guys played with in this game would be considered fairly light for a 9th game, There should be or obscuring or dense terrain.
Flyer is airborn, but it has SPACE WOLVES keyword, so it gains Defenders of Humanity. Doesn't it mean that it could control objectives even though it's airborne?
2:06:00 - space wolves are obsec on all units since the start of the 8th edition, as far as I remember. I'm in warhammer only since the middle of the 8-th so can't say if they were earlier or not, but they are obsec for more then three years already. Three years. This is too old to discuss...
Only troops, as stated in the codex. The FAQ accidentally gave everything Obsec, which was then changed back to just Troops this week.
Really enjoyed this BR :)
Uuhhh night lords, going to join this one, also i would like to see some noise marines
Any battle with zero primaris sounds like a fun battle to me!