Without a doubt, the best packing list I've seen. I've been trying to convince myself that I can fit everything into my Osprey 24L and my list is very similar to yours, so thank you for this. I'm travelling in Sept-Oct 2023 so I'll be bringing a small sleeping quilt too. I'm planning to stuff the quilt, sleep sack & towel into a waterproof stuff sack and attach it to the top of my pack.
I did the Frances route around the same time, just a few weeks earlier. When I entered Galicia, a woman at an albergue explained that the yellow shopping bags were for picking up trash along the Camino. You could also get an "eco-pilgrim passport" and if you handed it in with 3 stamps, a new tree would be planted in Galicia. The region has issues with deforestation in the past. Thanks for the packing tips, I'm heading to the northern route early June 2020.
Thanks for watching! You are totally correct about the bags. Sadly, on both Caminos, I didn't see anybody using them that way. Have fun on the Northern Route! It's beautiful and so different than the Frances. Where are you starting? If you begin in Irun, make sure you eat breakfast before heading out! There's nothing to eat for 15 km or so.
I found your video so helpful. I loved the details, the close-ups, and your sweet disposition. We are thinking of doing the camino portugues next april 2023. Thank you for listing all the items you mentioned, it is really a generous thing to do for someone who is nervous and a new pilgrim!
The one thing I'm bringing that you didn't is glove liners. I know it's summer when I'll be walking, but I also know I get really cold hands. So if its cold in the morning and if its raining, especially with the poles, I think I'll be glad to have them. They're merino wool and are tiny.
I think you did a pretty good job on fitting this in a 24lt bag. Smart to keep it small! I plan on doing the Camino in September 2023. So I'm starting to do research! Have a great Sunday! Kaat
I walked Primitivo in October and a headlamp is a must! And you need a red light on it not to flash others with a bright light in the morning ;) Also, instead of a rubber band I brought a paracord for both hanging my laundry and in case of shoelace failure. Other than that, pretty much on spot :)
Your videos are by far the best I’ve seen. Thank you! My backpack for the Camino Frances is 38 liters. I’m starting August 28 and will be traveling 41 days. I’m worried it’s too big after watching this! I will not fill it. I will not! 😂
Great video! I'm so impressed that your pack is only 24 liters. I think a lot of people think they need bigger packs because they don't ill up all the space in their pack, but it seems like you packed yours really efficiently. I'm also a big fan of Xero shoes.
Thanks Rachel! Sometimes I think a slightly bigger pack would be nice to fit more lunch snacks. However, the bigger the pack, the more you will pack! For the Norte and Frances 24 L was great for me. My next Camino I’ll bring my Xero Z-Trail sandals. I looooove those! -Lainey
@@DaysWeSpend I'm an Aussie and we tend to be pretty casual. But I would wear (light) makeup in Europe and North America. Anywhere else I probably wouldn't bother (altho always handy to take a tiny amount just in case - smaller and lighter than carrying a dressy outfit; just a little make-up, a scarf, some earrings does wonders)
I'm also going for 45days, Camino Frances 🇫🇷, August-September this year. Glad I came across your video. I'll try my best to pack like you did. Did short version last September (2023) from Sarria to Santiago and I packed more😮.
Thanks so much for the great videos and advice you and Shawn are sharing - by far the most useful I’ve seen, including several e-books & whatnot. Your packing style and travel philosophy are very similar to me and my husband and I really appreciate that! You’ve blown my mind with the lambs wool recommendation. I’ve been a Body Glide devotee for a long time, but am trying to banish single use plastics from my life and can’t wait to try that.
Hi Vicky, You're very welcome! Thank you for watching our videos! Once you use lambswool, you'll never go back! I'm also experimenting with some toe socks. We'll see if those make it into my next Camino pack. Buen Camino! -Lainey
For our40th anniversary we are going to do the Camino. I am glad I saw your video. I already bought a pack that is to big. Back to REI. You saved this 66 year olds joints. You two are adorable and I can’t wait to share your site with my husband.
I just wanted to thank you for your video. I’ve been watching some video on the Camino trying to educate myself. I’m starting to plan my hike. I have a Gregory backpack 29 liter. That I’m looking to use. I was very reluctant due to the size to consider bringing it, but now that I watch you video I’m probably going to go for it.
Thank you so much! You can definitely do 29L. It’s better to use a bag you love than to buy something new that may or may not be comfortable for you. Buen Camino!
Oh what a surprise to see a familiar face! Clicked the video while searching for Camino backpack inspiration, and thought...oh she looks just like...wait, she is! Very cool to see all your adventures! I'll be sure to follow along :D Cheers! -Ellen (Lindy Hopper, Seattle/New Orleans/Hamburg/Vienna)
Which route are you considering? I don't know how much the situation in Spain affects the albergues being open this year. I've heard some mixed things (although, I'm sure your info in Europe is way more up-to-date than USA's). The community on the Camino is part of what makes it great. I hope the Camino can re-open for Europeans this year. If/when you walk, I can't wait to follow along!! -Lainey
Thanks so much. I wear Oticon hearing aids with batteries. I always chose the battery ones, not the rechargeable ones because batteries are lighter to carry, easy to buy, and the ability to open the hearing aid lets it dry out better (since I'm super super sweaty).
At the time my hair was ok without washing. I only used water on it. It was great! not sticky and very soft. Since then, my scalp completely reset and now I have to use shampoo once a week. (But on the Camino, I'll wear a hat and deal with dirty hair)
Hi Lainey, thank you for your very helpful videos on the Camino. I’m planning a trip for next year, and am keen to do the Camino del Norte but in the months of April and May. What sort of gear would you recommend then, given that it’s likely much colder/wetter?
Hi Lynn, I'm so glad you found them helpful. April and May will be a mix of very cold days and nice warm sunny days. Expect lots of rain. I would bring a slightly larger bag (maybe 5 or 10 more liters) so that you can pack more layers. A down jacket, another pair of socks (3 total), maybe a hat and light gloves. I'd definitely bring the leggings so that you can layer 2 pairs of pants if it's super cold. There's lots of cities on the Norte, so can can always buy something if you need more layers. Remember, most municipal albergues will be closed in those months, so you'll probably end up staying at pensions, hotels, and private albergues. If you plan on staying in the private albergues, maybe bring a sleeping bag instead of a sleep sack. But, if you're staying at pensions or hotels, they'll have all the bedding and towels that you'll need. Buen Camino!
Hi Traci, I don't remember the exact weight. It was about 11 lbs without water and snacks. This was before adding a large sunscreen and laundry detergent.
I’m planning on hiking the Camino del Norte in September. How would you alter this packing list? I’m trying to bring as little as I can. Love your videos!
Thank you so much! I would bring a slightly bigger bag (maybe 28 or 32 liters) so that you have a little extra room for layers and snacks. I think the weather will be really similar, so rain gear and clothing for hot humid days and cold windy days. You might want a sleeping bag instead of a sleep sack. By the end of your Camino, it will be much cooler. (If you plan on staying in pensions and hotels, ignore this one). Buen Camino!
I watched this video smug that I have all the hiking kit I needed, however you two are enablists, I’m off on a five day hike sporting my new patagonia bumbag! 😂🙄😂
Aroundist I loved it, have tried various bumbags before but never got on with them, used this everyday of my hike so far, so easy to keep my valuables in and discovered it even holds my kindle! Good recommend.
Yes, from the Camino Norte. It’s the official Camino from Laredo to Santoña. It runs seasonally across the estuary. The Norte has 3 ferries and a short train as part of the official route. Super fun.
For the Camino Norte, you can pick it up at the municipal albergue in Irun. If you're American, you can also order one ahead of time: americanpilgrims.org/request-a-credential/
Rolling tightly and neatly into a compression cube would have been a better option... flatter is always best with packing light so by using a strong ziplock bag to flatten items like the shirt, sarong or bulky things like the raincoat and removing the air makes them so much smaller in volume ,also things like the jars that meds came in could have been tipped into a flat plastic bag etc plus laundry leaf's instead of the liquid version.. please give the tips a try as i am certain the backpack would be a lot less bulky and with the few changes it makes it lighter too ... i pack light and right but i could never ever wear the same thing every single day .. i would have to take at least a couple more pairs of shorts and tops as they are so so thin and light and by using the tips you would be able to bring a couple of bits, plus perhaps a non crease shirt or as you call it a button down would be a better option as it would dry quicker and not look like a rag, that fabric that is crinkled is ideal plus it would fold down far smaller too x
Thanks for your tips. Some people like to pack more clothes, others don't. I like wearing the same thing every day on the Camino. It's part of the experience for me. I also don't like to pack my bag too densely. More density=more weight. I don't mind the bulk of the bag. I could have fit my sandals inside but they were always the first piece of gear used at the albergue and the last piece of gear packed. Throughout a 30 day hike, the way I packed my bag changed from day 1 to day 15. We tried laundry leafs on our first camino and they weren't strong enough to clean the dirt from hiking. Also, if you pack all your clothes in plastic bags, it becomes really difficult to fit the pieces into your backpack...it's like a jigsaw puzzle that doesn't work. And it's really loud in the albergues to deal with plastic bags all the time. Everyone walks their own Camino and everyone packs their own too. You do you. :)
@@DaysWeSpend It is the amount of items so weighs the same LMAO! I clearly said compression cubes which are fabric, just the bulky items into bags. A huge bulky bullet takes up a huge amount of capacity.. you can put them into flat fabric bags and still reduce the bulk .. a laundry bar is less bulky and lasts longer than the liquid... it seems you those sturdy plastic ziplock bags make absolutely no sound and you already have plastic bags but with bulky items in them .. sorry to say but it seems you read what you wanted to read from what i wrote! i bet you all stank wearing the same clothes for weeks! no wonder people get bed bugs... three tiny thin tops and three shorts is absolutely no weigh it is wear one ,wash one and one packed they, i am not telling you plastic bag btw but i am making a size comparison just incase you read it wrong again lol! you can fit two shorts and two tops into a sandwich bag but obviously they would go in the cubes ...
Hi Gina, it was an old one I purchased in Mexico as a teenager. I think it’s made of cotton. You could probably use a microfiber towel or a Turkish towel, too. The key is lightweight and quick drying!
It is a religious pilgrimage so some modesty is clothing is required. Remember it's a journey of penance for sin and to implore the mercy of God and intercession of the Apostle James. You will be entering a Christian sanctuary at the end of your journey. It's not a workout in your private gym. Also check your vocabulary. Some US words are offensive in English.
Rip skirt hawaii has wrap skirts in 4 lengths including a ankl-ish length. Super lightweight, dries quickly, sheds dirt and liquids. Great for traveling, goes over shorts fine. Perfect for modesty. I wore the over-the-knee length in Isreal and Jordan, and felt modest enough
Without a doubt, the best packing list I've seen. I've been trying to convince myself that I can fit everything into my Osprey 24L and my list is very similar to yours, so thank you for this. I'm travelling in Sept-Oct 2023 so I'll be bringing a small sleeping quilt too. I'm planning to stuff the quilt, sleep sack & towel into a waterproof stuff sack and attach it to the top of my pack.
Thanks so much! Good luck with your packing. Sounds like you'll be fine. Buen Camino!
I did the Frances route around the same time, just a few weeks earlier. When I entered Galicia, a woman at an albergue explained that the yellow shopping bags were for picking up trash along the Camino. You could also get an "eco-pilgrim passport" and if you handed it in with 3 stamps, a new tree would be planted in Galicia. The region has issues with deforestation in the past. Thanks for the packing tips, I'm heading to the northern route early June 2020.
Thanks for watching! You are totally correct about the bags. Sadly, on both Caminos, I didn't see anybody using them that way.
Have fun on the Northern Route! It's beautiful and so different than the Frances. Where are you starting? If you begin in Irun, make sure you eat breakfast before heading out! There's nothing to eat for 15 km or so.
I hope they plant a native tree and not those annoying eucalypt trees.
where can I get eco-pilgrim passport?
I found your video so helpful. I loved the details, the close-ups, and your sweet disposition. We are thinking of doing the camino portugues next april 2023. Thank you for listing all the items you mentioned, it is really a generous thing to do for someone who is nervous and a new pilgrim!
Thank you for watching. The Portugués route sounds fun! Buen Camino.
The one thing I'm bringing that you didn't is glove liners. I know it's summer when I'll be walking, but I also know I get really cold hands. So if its cold in the morning and if its raining, especially with the poles, I think I'll be glad to have them. They're merino wool and are tiny.
Those sound awesome! I love Merino! When we hiked the Frances route in Fall, I had a pair of gloves and they were GREAT.
decathlon budget hiking boots - lasted for over 2 years everyday use. amazing boots
Shawn loves his Decathlon shoes. He has the approach shoe style.
You and I are on the same page. This is the best packing list I've seen yet.
Thank you so much!
I think you did a pretty good job on fitting this in a 24lt bag. Smart to keep it small!
I plan on doing the Camino in September 2023. So I'm starting to do research!
Have a great Sunday! Kaat
Thank you so much! Buen Camino!
me too!!!!
I walked Primitivo in October and a headlamp is a must! And you need a red light on it not to flash others with a bright light in the morning ;) Also, instead of a rubber band I brought a paracord for both hanging my laundry and in case of shoelace failure. Other than that, pretty much on spot :)
Great ideas! Thank you for sharing.
Even as a guy, this is super useful. Leaving in a week!
Thank you. Buen Camino!!!
How awesome that a 24 pack was enough for you! I have hope!!! Regarding sleep masks, I've found a buff works better for me.
Great idea! Buen camino!
Your videos are by far the best I’ve seen. Thank you! My backpack for the Camino Frances is 38 liters. I’m starting August 28 and will be traveling 41 days. I’m worried it’s too big after watching this! I will not fill it. I will not! 😂
Glad they're helpful! 38 liters is a really common size on the Frances. As long as you don't overload it, you'll be fine. :)
Great video! I'm so impressed that your pack is only 24 liters. I think a lot of people think they need bigger packs because they don't ill up all the space in their pack, but it seems like you packed yours really efficiently. I'm also a big fan of Xero shoes.
Thanks Rachel! Sometimes I think a slightly bigger pack would be nice to fit more lunch snacks. However, the bigger the pack, the more you will pack! For the Norte and Frances 24 L was great for me.
My next Camino I’ll bring my Xero Z-Trail sandals. I looooove those!
-Lainey
Love how practical you are! And so refreshing to see Americans who don't wear makeup
Thanks so much! I wear makeup occasionally, but definitely not daily. It feels so freeing to to let makeup go :)
@@DaysWeSpend I'm an Aussie and we tend to be pretty casual. But I would wear (light) makeup in Europe and North America. Anywhere else I probably wouldn't bother (altho always handy to take a tiny amount just in case - smaller and lighter than carrying a dressy outfit; just a little make-up, a scarf, some earrings does wonders)
@@susie9893 Agreed! Normal trips, I pack a few bits of makeup. On a Camino, definitely not packing it. :)
I'm also going for 45days, Camino Frances 🇫🇷, August-September this year. Glad I came across your video. I'll try my best to pack like you did. Did short version last September (2023) from Sarria to Santiago and I packed more😮.
Thanks so much for the great videos and advice you and Shawn are sharing - by far the most useful I’ve seen, including several e-books & whatnot. Your packing style and travel philosophy are very similar to me and my husband and I really appreciate that! You’ve blown my mind with the lambs wool recommendation. I’ve been a Body Glide devotee for a long time, but am trying to banish single use plastics from my life and can’t wait to try that.
Hi Vicky, You're very welcome! Thank you for watching our videos! Once you use lambswool, you'll never go back! I'm also experimenting with some toe socks. We'll see if those make it into my next Camino pack. Buen Camino! -Lainey
Thanks for your video it was great and you are so easy to listen to! Thanks for keeping it moving!
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
For our40th anniversary we are going to do the Camino. I am glad I saw your video. I already bought a pack that is to big. Back to REI. You saved this 66 year olds joints. You two are adorable and I can’t wait to share your site with my husband.
Thank you!!! Buen Camino! If you want to have a bit more room for things, a 32L bag is the biggest I would go.
I just wanted to thank you for your video. I’ve been watching some video on the Camino trying to educate myself. I’m starting to plan my hike. I have a Gregory backpack 29 liter. That I’m looking to use. I was very reluctant due to the size to consider bringing it, but now that I watch you video I’m probably going to go for it.
Thank you so much! You can definitely do 29L. It’s better to use a bag you love than to buy something new that may or may not be comfortable for you.
Buen Camino!
Plus you have room for anything you want to bring back home😊
Oh what a surprise to see a familiar face! Clicked the video while searching for Camino backpack inspiration, and thought...oh she looks just like...wait, she is! Very cool to see all your adventures! I'll be sure to follow along :D Cheers! -Ellen (Lindy Hopper, Seattle/New Orleans/Hamburg/Vienna)
Hi Ellen! (Lainey here). It's such a small world. Are you planning on hiking the Camino??! Thanks for following along our adventure!
@@DaysWeSpend I'm seriously considering it. Things are slowly opening back up here, so as long as it seems safe, I think I can make it happen :)
Which route are you considering? I don't know how much the situation in Spain affects the albergues being open this year. I've heard some mixed things (although, I'm sure your info in Europe is way more up-to-date than USA's). The community on the Camino is part of what makes it great. I hope the Camino can re-open for Europeans this year.
If/when you walk, I can't wait to follow along!!
-Lainey
Thank you. Useful. Concise useful info delivered in a really fun, practical way. :-)
You're very welcome! I'm glad it was helpful.
Checking out my late 2021 packing review video straight from the Camino :) it’s autumn so a little different
Hello! This is so wonderful, thank you! I am planning to walk 2 weeks in June. Would this list/weather info still apply at that time?
Thanks so much! This would definitely apply to June. If you sleep cold, you may want a sleeping bag instead of a liner. Or, bring some cozy pajamas.
Excellent pack suggestions, so helpful! Can you tell me what hearing aids you wear? Did your hiking influence your choice of hearing aids? Thanks!
Thanks so much. I wear Oticon hearing aids with batteries. I always chose the battery ones, not the rechargeable ones because batteries are lighter to carry, easy to buy, and the ability to open the hearing aid lets it dry out better (since I'm super super sweaty).
@@DaysWeSpend thanks for the extra info! Much appreciated. 😊
@@circelink you're welcome!
Sensible size pack! My wife uses he same.
It’s a great size!
Hey! You said you dont wash your hair. How does it feel? Or you use soap?
At the time my hair was ok without washing. I only used water on it. It was great! not sticky and very soft. Since then, my scalp completely reset and now I have to use shampoo once a week. (But on the Camino, I'll wear a hat and deal with dirty hair)
Excellent video!
Thank you! Buen Camino!
Hi Lainey, thank you for your very helpful videos on the Camino. I’m planning a trip for next year, and am keen to do the Camino del Norte but in the months of April and May. What sort of gear would you recommend then, given that it’s likely much colder/wetter?
Hi Lynn, I'm so glad you found them helpful. April and May will be a mix of very cold days and nice warm sunny days. Expect lots of rain. I would bring a slightly larger bag (maybe 5 or 10 more liters) so that you can pack more layers. A down jacket, another pair of socks (3 total), maybe a hat and light gloves. I'd definitely bring the leggings so that you can layer 2 pairs of pants if it's super cold. There's lots of cities on the Norte, so can can always buy something if you need more layers.
Remember, most municipal albergues will be closed in those months, so you'll probably end up staying at pensions, hotels, and private albergues. If you plan on staying in the private albergues, maybe bring a sleeping bag instead of a sleep sack. But, if you're staying at pensions or hotels, they'll have all the bedding and towels that you'll need.
Buen Camino!
Haha cute. This is about how I would like to pack too. Do you know how much it weighed?
Hi Traci, I don't remember the exact weight. It was about 11 lbs without water and snacks. This was before adding a large sunscreen and laundry detergent.
I’m planning on hiking the Camino del Norte in September. How would you alter this packing list? I’m trying to bring as little as I can. Love your videos!
Thank you so much! I would bring a slightly bigger bag (maybe 28 or 32 liters) so that you have a little extra room for layers and snacks. I think the weather will be really similar, so rain gear and clothing for hot humid days and cold windy days.
You might want a sleeping bag instead of a sleep sack. By the end of your Camino, it will be much cooler. (If you plan on staying in pensions and hotels, ignore this one).
Buen Camino!
I watched this video smug that I have all the hiking kit I needed, however you two are enablists, I’m off on a five day hike sporting my new patagonia bumbag! 😂🙄😂
Hahaha. That’s great. Let us know if you like it!
Aroundist I loved it, have tried various bumbags before but never got on with them, used this everyday of my hike so far, so easy to keep my valuables in and discovered it even holds my kindle! Good recommend.
@@vicster1981 They are the BEST, right?!? So glad you're a bumbag person now!
I noticed the queue for a boat (ferry?) in you video, where was this along the Camino Norte? A shortcut across one of the bays up north?
Yes, from the Camino Norte. It’s the official Camino from Laredo to Santoña. It runs seasonally across the estuary. The Norte has 3 ferries and a short train as part of the official route. Super fun.
You can watch it on our vlog here:
ruclips.net/video/3u2LbIr6vbM/видео.html
cuantos litros tiene tu mochila?
24. 😀
Where do you get the pilgrim credentials? Are they provided on the Camino?
For the Camino Norte, you can pick it up at the municipal albergue in Irun. If you're American, you can also order one ahead of time: americanpilgrims.org/request-a-credential/
@@DaysWeSpend Thank you!
Rolling tightly and neatly into a compression cube would have been a better option... flatter is always best with packing light so by using a strong ziplock bag to flatten items like the shirt, sarong or bulky things like the raincoat and removing the air makes them so much smaller in volume ,also things like the jars that meds came in could have been tipped into a flat plastic bag etc plus laundry leaf's instead of the liquid version.. please give the tips a try as i am certain the backpack would be a lot less bulky and with the few changes it makes it lighter too ... i pack light and right but i could never ever wear the same thing every single day .. i would have to take at least a couple more pairs of shorts and tops as they are so so thin and light and by using the tips you would be able to bring a couple of bits, plus perhaps a non crease shirt or as you call it a button down would be a better option as it would dry quicker and not look like a rag, that fabric that is crinkled is ideal plus it would fold down far smaller too x
Thanks for your tips. Some people like to pack more clothes, others don't. I like wearing the same thing every day on the Camino. It's part of the experience for me. I also don't like to pack my bag too densely. More density=more weight.
I don't mind the bulk of the bag. I could have fit my sandals inside but they were always the first piece of gear used at the albergue and the last piece of gear packed. Throughout a 30 day hike, the way I packed my bag changed from day 1 to day 15.
We tried laundry leafs on our first camino and they weren't strong enough to clean the dirt from hiking.
Also, if you pack all your clothes in plastic bags, it becomes really difficult to fit the pieces into your backpack...it's like a jigsaw puzzle that doesn't work. And it's really loud in the albergues to deal with plastic bags all the time.
Everyone walks their own Camino and everyone packs their own too. You do you. :)
@@DaysWeSpend It is the amount of items so weighs the same LMAO! I clearly said compression cubes which are fabric, just the bulky items into bags. A huge bulky bullet takes up a huge amount of capacity.. you can put them into flat fabric bags and still reduce the bulk .. a laundry bar is less bulky and lasts longer than the liquid... it seems you those sturdy plastic ziplock bags make absolutely no sound and you already have plastic bags but with bulky items in them .. sorry to say but it seems you read what you wanted to read from what i wrote! i bet you all stank wearing the same clothes for weeks! no wonder people get bed bugs... three tiny thin tops and three shorts is absolutely no weigh it is wear one ,wash one and one packed they, i am not telling you plastic bag btw but i am making a size comparison just incase you read it wrong again lol! you can fit two shorts and two tops into a sandwich bag but obviously they would go in the cubes ...
What kind of sarong did you have?
Hi Gina, it was an old one I purchased in Mexico as a teenager. I think it’s made of cotton. You could probably use a microfiber towel or a Turkish towel, too. The key is lightweight and quick drying!
It’s really similar to this one: Sarong - amzn.to/2O8Q8Vj
@@DaysWeSpend thank you! You're the second person that suggested a sarong so I'm going to do some looking. Thanks for the response and your video 🌸
You’re welcome!
Wait a minute.... I just saw a dude do the same gear review on that same bed. 🤔
Haha! Yes, we filmed them the same day in Santiago. We finished our Camino Norte the previous day. :)
Lainey did such a great job that I had to try and copy her!
It is a religious pilgrimage so some modesty is clothing is required. Remember it's a journey of penance for sin and to implore the mercy of God and intercession of the Apostle James. You will be entering a Christian sanctuary at the end of your journey. It's not a workout in your private gym. Also check your vocabulary. Some US words are offensive in English.
Rip skirt hawaii has wrap skirts in 4 lengths including a ankl-ish length. Super lightweight, dries quickly, sheds dirt and liquids. Great for traveling, goes over shorts fine. Perfect for modesty. I wore the over-the-knee length in Isreal and Jordan, and felt modest enough