setting up your cello and getting the best out of it

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  • Опубликовано: 27 мар 2015
  • full video of setting up a cello and getting the best tonally

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  • @5amJones69
    @5amJones69 2 года назад +12

    aww man. this is a breath of fresh air. NO ONE starts a video with who they are and why we can take what they say seriously. Thanks mate.

  • @mutlugundiler4458
    @mutlugundiler4458 2 года назад +29

    This video was not boring at all, on the contrary, it was one of the rare videos giving pure information without unnecessary wording.
    The information you provided is highly appreciated. Thank you.

    • @kadiralkan9862
      @kadiralkan9862 Год назад +1

      Merhaba siz de mi çello yapımıyla ilgileniyorsunuz ben bir süredir elekto çello yapmak için internetten bilgi topluyorum.

  • @spinozareader
    @spinozareader Месяц назад +1

    NOT boring. Not even one bit. Thank you for freely sharing your expertise. It's much appreciated.

  • @bookguitarguy
    @bookguitarguy 4 года назад +16

    Thank you sir. As a natural musician of many years, self-taught on guitar, who has now decided to learn cello (on a cheap student model), I sincerely appreciate your time and the information you shared here. Blessings to you!!

  • @dansotelo228
    @dansotelo228 3 года назад +4

    Dear Peter Val, my name is Daniel Sotelo and I worked inside the bicycle industry from 1967 till I semi retired in 2004. Though I do not play I've always had an ear and a passion of beautiful violins, cellos and their incredible exacting technology. So being technically good with my mind and hands I decided to become a luthier, by pouring thru books, videos, etc for nearly two years. My goal was not to build them, but how best to set them up to the point that several professional players depended and trusted my work to be very good. Your video was riveting as I got two very good points that have been a bit mysterioy to me until you explained it. That is the thumb fitting the crook and how the A string should be a bit farther away from the edge of the finger board. Great work. Thank You, Dan

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 3 года назад +1

      engineering background can be good for string instrument making. always measure. good luck

  • @christiandegrassi
    @christiandegrassi 23 дня назад

    Thank you so much for the simple but thorough overview of cello measurements.

  • @frankanthonypascarella2620
    @frankanthonypascarella2620 3 года назад +12

    Thank you for taking the time to explain everything. It was not boring at all, and not too long. Happy New Year and stay healthy.

  • @YuliTek
    @YuliTek 3 года назад +7

    Thank you, Peter for a clear, concise and well presented video.

  • @LuizOliveira-ef4vm
    @LuizOliveira-ef4vm 8 лет назад +18

    Thank you so much for your knowledge and generosity for sharing it. LO

  • @PearceHahn
    @PearceHahn 4 года назад +8

    What an informative video. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge.

  • @randomslomo1875
    @randomslomo1875 4 года назад +3

    One minute in and I am in awe

  • @michaelwheeler3123
    @michaelwheeler3123 5 лет назад +11

    excellent video - thank you very much! The cello you made is beautiful btw

  • @wolfstalesm.chapman1640
    @wolfstalesm.chapman1640 3 года назад +2

    I bought a student Cello,..used, And a Bridge and all the Parts.. I only setup my Guitars before.. And with your insight given here i might just manage to adjust my Instrument.. Thanks.

  • @mjcard
    @mjcard 7 лет назад +6

    Thank you so much for this generous advice. Much appreciated.

  • @peterlaikc
    @peterlaikc 4 года назад +3

    Not boring at all. Very informative, thank you!

  • @RockStarOscarStern634
    @RockStarOscarStern634 2 года назад +3

    My Cello is a 5 String Cello so it has a High E String added to it, it's made by Yinfente & I've replaced the friction pegs w/ Mechanical ones (which also allowed me to get rid of the fine tuners from the tailpiece) so that tuning it is even easier, restringing it gets even easier w/ a handy stringing crank.

  • @trentchurchill2677
    @trentchurchill2677 4 года назад +1

    Certainly not boring! Was very interesting. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

  • @carolinemitchell5241
    @carolinemitchell5241 Год назад

    What an excellent, informative and clear video with the exact content I was searching for. I was hanging on every word. Huge thanks.

  • @brendamann6106
    @brendamann6106 Год назад

    Not “boring” at all! Very informative. I have more of an idea of what is involved when I talk with the luthier about problems with my old cello. Thank you very much!

  • @charliewhite578
    @charliewhite578 7 лет назад +7

    I really wish your channel had more subscribers, you give a lot of very good knowledge. I am a woodwind musician seeking to start playing cello. I am 17.

  • @iainmackenzie3567
    @iainmackenzie3567 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you very much for a well paced guidance/tutorial. I'm just below the rank of complete novice and an old elec mech engineer with the only musical talent currently residing in my body being that I can load CD's into my stack system. I've always wanted to learn the cello and have started at a basic level cello. This presentation has been more informative in its 15 minutes than the last 2 weeks of RUclips searches and viewings. Hope you are still in good health sir.

  • @viledinnist
    @viledinnist 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for sharing this information, I have just bought some very posh strings and intend to check the set up on my cello at the same time.

  • @dees3179
    @dees3179 2 года назад

    Really really helpful. Thank you so much. Loved the tips about the strings.

  • @dianamoura6024
    @dianamoura6024 3 года назад

    Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Very interesting to know how the measurements are so important. I have a cheap cello (saving for the forever cello) and surprisingly the measurements are nearly perfect.

  • @hebii5862
    @hebii5862 6 лет назад +2

    Thank you for your expert advice!

  • @anataveras6994
    @anataveras6994 2 года назад

    Thank you for delving deeper into the matter Sir Vel, that differentiates your video from the mainstream.

  • @mayumiyamamoto283
    @mayumiyamamoto283 9 месяцев назад

    what a gentleman! wonderful professor..thank you,

  • @RockStarOscarStern634
    @RockStarOscarStern634 2 года назад +1

    I use D'addario Helicore Strings which are the largest in versatility. The slightly thinner gauge & steel rope core allows me to have enough control over the strings w/ my bow.

  • @HotelEdenMusic
    @HotelEdenMusic 6 лет назад +3

    This was great, thank you for sharing your knowledge.

  • @pseudoname9229
    @pseudoname9229 Год назад

    Thank you so much for sharing your expertise!

  • @robinschaeffer6252
    @robinschaeffer6252 7 лет назад +2

    So much good solid information - Thank You!

  • @andreaholcek4094
    @andreaholcek4094 2 года назад

    Not boring! So informative. Thank you so much

  • @andycrouch-mx5je
    @andycrouch-mx5je 7 месяцев назад

    Great video, I am a violin player that recently found a cello in a pawn shop. The cello was in great shape except for the bridge. The bridge had been broke, previous owner hot glue pop sickle
    Sticks over the crack bridge and painted it black.
    This made the cello non responsive. A lot of other things wrong with it. This video sure help on getting the cello set up. I could not see spending more money to have my Luthier set it up then the cello was worth.

  • @alannunn1089
    @alannunn1089 3 года назад +1

    Excellent video. Thank you!

  • @richardm8551
    @richardm8551 6 лет назад +2

    Great advice, thanks!

  • @KeneHyatt
    @KeneHyatt 6 лет назад +2

    Thank you I appreciate all the information that you shared with us

  • @bryan_beyond
    @bryan_beyond 3 года назад +1

    i appreciate your time and knowledge :D

  • @mrbr54911
    @mrbr54911 6 лет назад +2

    Thank You Mr. Vel!

  • @davidrobinson7675
    @davidrobinson7675 4 года назад +1

    Thank you very much. Some really good information, very well presented!

  • @MsCellobass
    @MsCellobass Год назад

    Not boring! Thank you!

  • @mikejones965
    @mikejones965 3 года назад +1

    Thanks Mr Vel. Excellent video. I'll let you know how I get on setting up a new Chinese cello. It's a 3/4 cello, so I assume the dimensions will be different, but in proportion (the neck is just under 25cm).

  • @priscillalima6613
    @priscillalima6613 3 года назад +1

    Thank you! Such a helpful video! 🙂

  • @tracylynnw
    @tracylynnw 8 лет назад +2

    Very informative, thanks for taking the time to make this video

  • @hansholgersson421
    @hansholgersson421 8 месяцев назад

    ❤Tack så väldigt mycket! Jag bygger nu min cello nr 2. Du tar upp allt på väldigt kreativt sätt! Det är väldigt viktig info! Jag är enig i det mesta! Vänligen Hans

  • @martynrangeley8749
    @martynrangeley8749 6 лет назад +1

    Hello Peter,
    From my last comment asking you about the cello tailpiece, we did change it on my sisters cello, we put on a Wittner Ultra in place of the small metal one. We took before and after recordings of each, it did sound different at the time but not hugely so, I have still to check the recordings. Anyway Michele looked at some more youtube videos, one of which suggested that certain notes should come from playing the string after-length (below bridge) to get a better harmonic balance. By adjusting the nuts on the nylon tail-cord we could change the after-length and its note and Michele said that her cello sounded better as a result. At one point of this adjustment the cello developed a shocking wolf note on the top string (I'm not a cellist btw.) We checked the after-note and it was slightly out, we made a small adjustment to try and correct this and the wolf note was gone! For me that is proof positive that there is definitely something to be had from checking the after-note/length.
    Non of this would have been possible with the previous tailpiece as it was a fixed length metal wire type which would be unpractical to adjust.
    Hope you have found this interestng/useful,
    Best regards, Martyn.

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 5 лет назад

      that is interesting. I have not come across bad wolf notes on the a string. sometimes on the d string. I will take more note of after notes in future. peter vel

  • @michaelmcleary8566
    @michaelmcleary8566 7 месяцев назад

    I like the use of the snooker score board as a bow holder.

  • @mayumiyamamoto283
    @mayumiyamamoto283 5 лет назад +2

    5 stars, Bravo! thank you very much

  • @tedsykora1858
    @tedsykora1858 6 лет назад +1

    Brood info and not a bit boring. I found the part about strings the most helpfull.

  • @SeaRasp
    @SeaRasp 5 лет назад +2

    Wooow it’s awsome you made your own cello

  • @leemason4024
    @leemason4024 2 года назад

    i appreciate your videos and advice! thank you! oh and i REALLY love that keyboard instrument in the background. you should make a video about it and the artisans that built it

    • @RobManser77
      @RobManser77 2 года назад +1

      I agree - it's fascinating. Annoying position for that radiator though! :-)

  • @joaofrade1
    @joaofrade1 7 лет назад

    AMAZING !!! kind regards from Portugal :)

  • @DJKeltech
    @DJKeltech 3 года назад +1

    thanks for sharing these tips

  • @matshagstrom9839
    @matshagstrom9839 3 года назад +1

    Many thanks!

  • @xochj
    @xochj 6 лет назад +2

    Thank you!!

  • @markgilbert8091
    @markgilbert8091 3 года назад +1

    Good information thank you.

  • @Jesuswinsbirdofmichigan
    @Jesuswinsbirdofmichigan 2 года назад

    Just subscribed, #935. Six years post-production but oh well. Nothing to add just a thank you.

  • @altravolta
    @altravolta 3 года назад

    Thank you for the video.

  • @locustvalleystring
    @locustvalleystring 2 года назад

    Very Helpful. Thank you.

  • @annlandreville
    @annlandreville 6 лет назад +2

    Thank you so much. Too bad you're not in Montréal, Canada! I appreciate a lot😊

  • @isaactakeuchimusic
    @isaactakeuchimusic 7 месяцев назад

    Great video!

  • @fritzingforlife
    @fritzingforlife 8 лет назад +2

    Thanks Bro!

  • @charliechrist7537
    @charliechrist7537 10 месяцев назад

    Just starting with The chillo I learned a lot thanks

  • @pheona1000
    @pheona1000 5 лет назад +2

    Invaluable advice! Could you do a Video on how to choose and set up a Viola?

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 5 лет назад +1

      sorry I don't play the viola! the measurements I recommend for the cello can be translated to the viola. look up viola measurements,

  • @mikabmika283
    @mikabmika283 6 лет назад +2

    Thank you Sir ...

  • @guitarislife01
    @guitarislife01 3 года назад +1

    I literally took notes, even though I don't plan to ever build a cello. Only after I had a page full of notes did I realize that there were literally naked women in the background while he was talking. This is why he's a professor, folks

  • @ianbuttery8693
    @ianbuttery8693 8 лет назад +1

    Excellent

  • @sadie2299
    @sadie2299 2 года назад

    Thank you so much for this video! I was wondering, is there a measurement to see if the neck is straight down the body? I recently had to have my top plate removed to fix a crack and now my strings lean too much tward the treble side. I believe my bridge is in the center from the f holes so I'm not sure what happened? Thanks so much!!

  • @josiee28
    @josiee28 Год назад

    thanks queen

  • @danieljstark1625
    @danieljstark1625 2 дня назад

    Sure would have een nice if there were a CHART available with the optimum/necessary dimensions.

  • @raulmirasserna8713
    @raulmirasserna8713 5 лет назад

    Boa tarde,por favor, a curva do cavalete e a projeção da curva da escala?

  • @bigrickshaberdashery2759
    @bigrickshaberdashery2759 4 года назад +1

    thank you

  • @joashlim207
    @joashlim207 4 года назад +3

    1. Nut to Edge of Cello: exactly 28cm.
    2. Edge of Cello to centre of bridge: 40cm, or a little less (39.25cm).
    3. Projection: Ideally 80mm, or a little less. Not more.
    4. Fingerboard width at nut: 32mm, maybe a bit more but not much less.
    5. Fingerboard width at end: ~62.5mm.
    6. Curve of fingerboard at side: Curve with gap of ~1mm.
    7. Curve of fingerboard surface: 1mm at A string, ~1.5mm at C string.
    8. Thickness of fingerboard: 7mm-7.5mm.
    9. String spacing at nut: 24mm-26mm.
    10. String spacing at bridge: 48-50mm.
    11. ‘A’ string away from fingerboard by: 3mm.
    12. Height of A string: ~5.5mm.
    13. Height of C string: ~7.5mm, or possibly +1mm for gut strings.
    14. Height of strings at nut: 1mm at A string, 1.5mm at C string; Ideally equal the thickness of a playing card.
    15. Width of Bridge feet: 90mm.
    16. Bass bar: Edge of bass bar should be ~3mm in from the edge of bridge. If not, you can get diff sized bridge.
    17. Sound post: 11mm thick, good distance from the outside edge of it to the foot of bridge ~2cm; should also be roughly in line with middle of bridge foot. Positioning is an art > science.
    Thanks, Peter!

  • @fourstrings48
    @fourstrings48 5 лет назад +1

    Janos Starker, who was not an exceptionally large man, played beautifully for decades on the enormous Lord Aylesford Strad, in the years before some vandal had it cut down to standard size. In my opinion, this is proof that the dimensions of the cello need not necessarily be standardized. It's the proportions that matter; not the measurements in and of themselves.

  • @user-rt4vx6kd7e
    @user-rt4vx6kd7e Год назад

    彼得老师,你的視频很精彩,看后获益很多。請問彼得老师,我的大提琴是3/4式,音柱長度應多厘米?另音色也不好,怎樣调教?谢谢分享你的珍貴技巧,向你致敬,come from Hong Kong。

  • @andrewgemkow9299
    @andrewgemkow9299 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you for this excellent video. Would you please make another one on tuning pegs? I have one that slips and one that is sticky. How do I get them to be ideal for tuning with or without using the microtuners?

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 6 лет назад

      need special tools to fit a peg. a little chalk can stop slipping and soap or peg paste on the sticky one

  • @JuanRojasfallout4
    @JuanRojasfallout4 7 лет назад

    I'm your 100th sub

  • @brasspick
    @brasspick 4 года назад +1

    5:25 He's referring to an innovation by this guy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Romberg

  • @ashjod9795
    @ashjod9795 7 лет назад +1

    Thank you very much.....I've just recently bought a new full size cello with a factory set of strings on it. the nut to me feels to high ,, after playing my half size cello with thicker strings , they feel easy to press .. if I get a thicker and better set of strings put on the new cello would that take up more action therefore I don't have to file the nut down,,, I haven't taken measurements yet but I am thinking of getting this done.
    the A string on the new cello is alot skinnier than the A on the half size which makes it very hard to push,, but it does take time and practice.. thanks and hi from Australia.

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 7 лет назад +1

      make the nut as low as i suggest. you can do this yourself with a needle file. can easily be refilled with superglue and sawdust if you go too far. get spacings and measurements as i suggest. buy the best strings you can afford.Larsen have a good range.cheap strings are often very thin.

    • @ashjod9795
      @ashjod9795 7 лет назад

      peter vel I'll give it a go when I do I'll let you know how I go with the progress thank you.........

  • @rogerwallace5473
    @rogerwallace5473 Год назад

    Hello Peter,
    I wondered if you would advise on strings. My mother has decided to dabble with the cello after 50yrs. We have a primavera 200 and wondered what would work best; Jargar classic or D’Addario Prelude. We know the ones supplied with the instrument are not great and don’t want to end up with a harsh sound; thinking Jargar.
    Cheers

  • @raulishnikovdancer2346
    @raulishnikovdancer2346 7 лет назад

    Awesome video, so well explained. When you were talking about the bridges i didn't understand what you said after a "cheap cellos can often benefit from..rghurgirg at the bridges... What did you said? Thank you (12:50)

    • @petervel3466
      @petervel3466  7 лет назад

      i said recutting. Bridges are often supplied too thick and should be thinned. Get a luthier to do this

  • @claymoregray8973
    @claymoregray8973 2 года назад

    How length must be the fretboard?

  • @joostraymakers7528
    @joostraymakers7528 5 лет назад +3

    Hello mr Vel,
    Thank you for your video, it' s really interesting. Could you give me some advice on the measurements of my cello? It's about the 28 and 40 centimeters that you mention in the beginning of your video. My cello measures from the nut to the edge of the cello a bit over 28 centimeters and from the edge of the cello to the center of the bridge a little bit over 41 centimeters. The total length of the strings between nut and bridge is 71 centimeters because the bridge is somewhat bended in the direction of the tailpiece. I' ve been playing this (very beautiful 19th century) cello for 5 years now and over the past 2 years (although my hands are quite big) I have had some problems with my left hand.( tendons of thumb and 5th finger). If I were to bring the cello to a luthier, what should I ask for? Thank you very much for your advice!
    best regards, Joost

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 5 лет назад

      hello. your cello is typical of some German cellos, the nut to edge is a bit over 28mms but the nut to bridge is big. a luthier could put a false nut to bring this down to nearer 40 cms which should make things easier. this is not a big job. good luck. get him to straighten the bridge.

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 5 лет назад

      sorry my reply is wrong! get a false nut to reduce the total string length to about 68-69 cms. try putting a matchstick under the strings about 1.5 cms from the nut to try it out, peter vel

    • @joostraymakers7528
      @joostraymakers7528 5 лет назад

      Hello mr Vel, I' ve brought the cello to a luthier this week and he has changed the place of the bridge and soundpost. He has also straightened the bridge. ( Actually the bridge is a little bit too high now for its new position, closer to the fingerboard ) Bridge to edge is 40cm now and nut to bridge 69,2 cm. It' s much more comfortable for my left hand! The tension on the cello has been lowered by the position change, but so far the sound doesn't seem to be affected...hopefully it will stay that way. The cello was probably built in prague by a luthier by the name of antonius Sitt. Do you know him? Anyway thank you for your advice and good luck with your work! Best regards, Joost

  • @robertvel4051
    @robertvel4051 9 лет назад

    It is good

  • @weiderhsu
    @weiderhsu 2 года назад

    I have a student cello. However I found I finger get tired easily. after some investigating, personally I think my cello get slow response when playing. I will need more power from both left hand and right hand to get sound stable and keep right tempo. What should I do? I am not sure whether this is personal skill issue or cello issue.

  • @josephnappi9446
    @josephnappi9446 7 лет назад +1

    what should the G string and D string height be?

    • @petervel3466
      @petervel3466  7 лет назад

      GET THE A AND C STRINGS CORRECT. IF THE CURVE OF THE FINGERBOARD AND BRIDGE ARE CORRECT EVERY THING SHOULD BE OK . GET A LUTHIER TO DO THIS

  • @JohnSmith-fw2et
    @JohnSmith-fw2et 7 лет назад

    can you recommend a brand of cello strings in the USA

    • @petervel3466
      @petervel3466  7 лет назад +1

      I use Larsen magnacore. very expensive!

  • @kv7164
    @kv7164 5 лет назад

    Where should one start if one would want to start building his own cello ?

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 5 лет назад

      hello. find a teacher or a class. you will need instruction and it is not easy.peter vel

  • @martynrangeley8749
    @martynrangeley8749 6 лет назад +1

    Thanks Peter,
    Very informative info, I saw a video on string playing lengths and was told that the ratio of nut to bridge and bridge to tailpiece should be six to one in length, this was on a violin set up, could you tell me if this is the same as with a cello and just how important do you consider the choice of a cello tailpiece. I ask because on my sisters cello I suspect that the T/P is the wrong size as it looks proportionately too small for a 4/4 cello.
    Thanks again for making the video,
    Best regards,
    Martyn Rangeley.

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 6 лет назад

      I don't usually bother with proportions of tailpiece. commercial tailpieces are all ok if your cello is 4/4. you can adjust slightly with the length of the loop longer to soften and short for brightness but this is marginal. I like akusticus tailpieces although they are a bit plastic. my cello is 68cms string and 13 cms after. make sure your tailpiece is full size. Peter Vel

    • @martynrangeley8749
      @martynrangeley8749 6 лет назад +1

      Thanks again Peter, that is extremely useful information and yes the tailpiece she has at present is for 3/4 or possibly 1/2 size and looks completely wrong, I will let you know the outcome.

  • @wormpie4932
    @wormpie4932 2 года назад

    Thank you! And, "boring"? Not at all!

  • @ArthurGerhardt
    @ArthurGerhardt 6 лет назад

    Hi, nice your cello! Do you make other cellos? How much?

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 6 лет назад

      hello I have made one cello it took a long time, not for sale

  • @kadiralkan9862
    @kadiralkan9862 Год назад

    28+40= 68 cm but many source told that the vibrating string lenght must be 69.5 cm it is confused me.

  • @marcovasconcelos918
    @marcovasconcelos918 6 лет назад

    Hi, Mr Peter Vel
    which means that word in the position of 11 minutes and 53 seconds "pehraps give more ..."

  • @charlesdiaz6974
    @charlesdiaz6974 3 года назад

    Thank you for those measurements but I notice right behind the piano keep looking at the piano top right behind him this a picture with a child naked in there I trying to focus a little more very strange maybe he's grandchild

  • @fourstrings48
    @fourstrings48 5 лет назад +1

    As a cellist with fifty-eight years of experience of the instrument, I cannot agree that all cellos ought to conform rigidly to certain standard measurements. English cellos from the 18th Century tend to be somewhat smaller and shorter than their French and Italian counterparts; and some important 18th-Century Italian cellos are larger and longer than what is now regarded as normal. It's true that the proportions between the length of the neck, on the one hand, and the overall length of the strings on the other, ought to conform to what is considered standard. But in my experience, the relative proportions between the neck and the overall string length ('minsura') are what counts most.

    • @petervel5423
      @petervel5423 5 лет назад

      hello. you are correct as I say in the video the proportions should be correct to get fourth position right.. as I say if the measurements differ a lot it is not a full size cello or a big one. I know some well known players playing small instruments but they are the exception. you have to be a Piatigorsky to play a big instrument!

    • @leticiaruiz5860
      @leticiaruiz5860 7 дней назад

      And do You know the proportions? That would really nice if you could share please.