Before there were interwebs I did a whole doctoral thesis on life at low Reynold's number. If I may offer a pedantic quibble. Water isn't more viscous because you're teeny. The viscosity remains the same (as does the density). Teeny things tend to have greater surface:volume ratios than less teeny things so the slidey/sticky forces (viscosity) are relatively greater than the hitty/pushy forces (inertia). A narcolepsy-inducing plethora of detail can be found at Crenshaw, D. G.: How interstitial animals deal with viscous flows. Ph.D. dissertation, Duke University 1980
I think "here is the dissertation I defended on the subject" is quite possibly the best internet credential I have ever encountered :) also good job on your hilariously pedantic but self aware quibble.
Crenshaw, bad news.Some of us at the faculty were reviewing various papers including yours and I happen to spill my 'grande' all over the desk. Story short, there wasn't any paper towels available and my daughters kindergarten drawings were in peril. Soo well I think you get the picture. Sorry old chap. DU.
I've worked in a Aquatic Ecotoxicology Laboratory a few years back. One of my jobs there was to take care of the Daphnia. I had to cultivate the algae we used to feed them, feed them, prepare their culture medium (water), change it, separate them, and try and multiply them. We used them as biological indicators to test the toxicity of effluent water from industry. Basically, we would make several dilutions of the effluent water, deposit a number of young Daphnia (1-2 days old) and incubate for 48h. After that we would count the number os surviving Daphnia for each dilution to see if the effluent is safe to dump into rivers or not. They are extremely sensitive to toxins and stress. Every glassware used with them had to be washed with neutral soap, and be rinsed 50-100 times. One time one of the cleaning ladies thought it was unnecessary that much rinsing, and it killed 90% of our Daphnia. (Figuring out what was happening as day after day they were dying was "fun").
Maybe... Or maybe they were just lucky. No way to know without investigating further, thing we didn't do. But we needed to "borrow" some from another lab to be able to regrow our population to have enough to continue to run the tests. So even if only the more resistant survived... it didn't affect the results down the line.
Are you allowed to go the other way and explore vital, rich or health-giving water? Ie after vortexing the water rather than simple degrees of concentration? I expect the job-spec dictates finding what can be gotten away with and certified 'safe'
A paper cup offers pretty limited insulation so obviously coffee is a cold, or at best lukewarm, liquid by the time your apprentice gets back from the cafateria with it. I do hope though that the daphnia involved in this debauchery know only the 1st one's free & they'll have to pay for their next hit!
Since you asked, I can tell you as a biologist that putting a microorganism under a microscope can be stressful for them and can in some cases even kill them. For example, if you are using a microscope with a light bulb to observe them it can get really hot over time and can literary cook them. This is the reason why most of them will hide or move to the sides of the "object glass". This is also the reason why I usually used dark-field microscopy when we had to draw microorganisms we saw under the microscope. It made them more "comfortable" and they stopped moving and running all over the place :P
This is a blatantly false statement I'm sorry to tell you. I've been working with microorganisms in this exact same way for 43 years and can say undoubtedly with an accurate amount of uncertainty that the neutrinos will not be affected in solution. Therefore you're wrong and I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement and any further statement you try using to defend your ignorance. Good day.
@@benfillman4049 It's a malopropism, a reference to an amusing line from a sci fi movie to explain the end of the world, "The neutrinos have mutated." See comedian Dara O'Briain's take on it.
The real reason the liquid seemed more viscous under the microscope is because inertial forces are hugely dominated by viscous forces at small scales (Reynolds number). In other words, the liquid's momentum cannot overcome friction. In a coffee cup, the liquid's momentum is much higher so it takes a while for friction to slow it down.
thank you! I was really sceptical about water having different physical properties on millimetre scales. It's the effect of small forces not small distances.
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I keep Daphnia as pets, watching them have little mini baby daphnia inside their "shell" is so cool! Also those large front "legs" are antenna used for moving about. The jumpy way they move is how they got the common name water flea.
A side note, I don't put them on microscope slides, I keep them in a shallow dish if observing under the microscope. It does make it more difficult to view them, but they get to swim and eat freely.
They have a really interesting reproductive cycle, swapping between reproducing asexually in the spring and summer to sexually in the autumn to winter when food availability is low. I'd be interested to know if they remain asexual when bred in captivity because resources remain constant
It's a daphnia.... its entire body is a couple millimeters wide, its brain consists of AT MOST a few thousand neurons. There is no possibility for consciousness let alone anything like what could be described as suffering in such a simple organism. A honeybee has a million neurons and it's not even clear THEY have conscious experience. There are no real ethical concerns experimenting on daphnea.
Ethical concerns? If we are concerned at that level, we can practically do nothing without causing "suffering". Not even kill ourselves without destroying home of millions of microscopic animals.
You'll actually find that a fish's swimming motion is also asymmetrical in time. Here's a great video I found showing that it moves in a more wave-like pattern: ruclips.net/video/JIgihsSyeR0/видео.html
In my experience looking at water critters under a microscope, I have occasionally gotten the sense that they become increasingly stressed after long periods of time. The only reason I say this is because I've seen them become either more sluggish or more active (maybe even frantic), if they're on there for more than 5 minutes, and my guess is that the heat from the microscope light might stress them out. Or possibly the light itself, especially if their natural habitat is murky pond water. I appreciate your addressing ethical concerns, but I also think a few minutes under a scope is probably not any more stressful than, say, evading a predator in its natural environment. As long as you monitor it for signs of stress and don't keep it on there too long, and then return it to its natural environment, I don't have a problem with it.
That's an interesting thought, but the ratio of the sizes of a human and a hunchback whale is not that significant compared to the ratio of the sizes of a human and daphnia
The viscosity doesn't truly change; it's just that things with more surface area experience greater intermolecular forces with water. Interestingly, hunchbacks do take advantage of water's viscosity to maneuver, which is something humans can't do whilst skydiving. They get a "grip" on water using small tubercles on their flippers, which greatly expand the surface area of each flipper as well as create turbulance (which is useful for the same reasons that professional divers make small splashes and don't get hurt whilst belly floppers make huge splashes and do get hurt).
Air has a much lower density, so water wouldn't feel like air at all. As someone else said, the scale between whale and fish isn't as large of a ratio as the fish to daphnea.
Your videos have always infinitely fascinated me. I love the way you get distracted and run on a tangent, like an excited 5 year old. It's this obvious passion you have that makes your videos so magical. Thank you so much for wanting to teach us about these small details in life, we really dont stop enough to appreciate the little things that have us here in the first place. Again, thank you. you are wonderful
The fact that you actually took the time to be ethical about something as small and seemingly insignificant as a daphnia shows how caring you are about the things you study. Very nice
Not positive, but I think your description of a fish swimming in water may have been a bit off? Or at least not detailed enough. I don't think the motion of a fishes tail is time reversible. I think the point you may have been trying to make was that at the daphnia scale fluid is not behaving in an inertial way, Which I totally agree with and yes it is very cool. I do think that lower apparent viscosity fluid locomotion is not time reversible. Birds wing flaps are certainly not time reversible, and air is a much less viscous fluid. I don't think thers is much in a bird wing that we could pull out and still have birds fly. Even those dragonfly toys which look very reversible critically have very flexible wing membranes that move in a way that is not time reversible. Escaping lobsters or shrimp swim/move in a similar way to daphnia arms and are much larger, proving the method still works with a fluid behaving in an inertial way. It is true that simply flapping a stiff tail works just fine, as proven by simplified fish toys. I still don't think these are time reversible, however, as body movements follow tail movement. I can't picture that working in reverse, the tail would just be moving at the wrong time in relation to the body and the fish would not move. Tuna seem to move in this way, with stiff tails and very stiff motion. I just don't think there are many time reversible solutions to moving through a fluid in nature. Propellers would be an obvious counter example as they are time reversible, but animals were never able to make wheels or rotating parts, and euglena are the only real example of a motor in nature that I can think of. I could be wrong, I'm not a biologist and have not studied this extensively, but wanted to bring it up anyway as fish and birds are incredibly cool and may be worth speaking about in more detail. fish swimming analysis ruclips.net/video/qT6oMmi9qpU/видео.html ruclips.net/video/emiBYMLNR7Y/видео.html ruclips.net/video/k7JLN2kH_JQ/видео.html ruclips.net/video/CRDFyQCoHqg/видео.html Fake fish ruclips.net/video/65-BnFDuJ8k/видео.html ruclips.net/video/8-DfWlrG9Ng/видео.html bird wings ruclips.net/video/1DXBl1heyTQ/видео.html ruclips.net/video/Dg8xg4U7Xqs/видео.html Lobster ruclips.net/video/4sH-HTQ7vlo/видео.html propeller ruclips.net/video/ujZ4w_LlUoU/видео.html
Phi6er yea a simplified propeller, like two rectangles at a 45 degree angle on a shaft would be time reversible. The vortexes make it not but if you simplify and ignore that it's time reversible. Probably
Birds flying through air isn't an apt comparison, I think, because they also have to rise up. If you're speaking if propulsion in one direction, like placing a flappy fin on the back of a trolley, it'd propel it forwards.
Vampyricon a bird maintaining altitude and flying forward is just a more downward pointing thrust vector. rather than straight back it's a bit of down and a bit of back, i.e. At an angle
Vampyricon the point I was trying to make is bird wings operate in a very inertial and low viscosity fluid and are not time reversible and would not work if they were. Bird wings move and are very successful operating in the same way as daphnia arms, even though the apparent fluid is completely different. Not sure where Steve was going in the video but its not a huge deal
When I did this experiment in highschool, we didn't find any correlation between caffeine and heart rate. We also used alcohol and nicotine, and these produced notable results
Bart Schellings You will find that these science channels have ~90% the same subscribers. If you watch one, you watch all of them. Commenters are usually the same people too. My comments are just one of many :p
We did this experiment in 9th grade biology using things like caffeine and adrenaline I can confirm that the heart rate increased dramatically when exposed to a caffeine solution at room temp, but I can't rule out that other effects like osmotic pressure or simply the Daphnia reacting to caffeine as a toxin and trying to escape caused the increase in heart rate. At the end of the lab I used a little to much caffeine and the water flea's heart stopped, so the ethics maybe a little iffy.
@@muffininacup4060 age and size come to mind. We may not immediately note a 20% volume difference (only about 7% difference in each length, width and height) in something that small, but the resulting heart rate could easily skew results significantly.
I really appreciate the care and consideration you took to returning the daphnia to their original habitat. Most people wouldn't offer them that level of consideration, because they see the world as something to exploit for their own gain.
I love how you’re talking about the relation between chemistry and biology because I used to always say that life as we know it is just an ongoing chain of chemical reactions.
In at least two respects, you got a bit hyperbolic here. 1. The viscosity of the fluid is not changing -- only the organism's ability to move fluid due to its shape, mass, and power v.s. the density and resistance of the fluid. 2) The propulsive movement of a fish's tail was oversimplified.
Pedro Rocha although you are correct in fact. In practice the effect from change in ratio is so small as to be almost immeasurable. A minnow may be one hundred times as big as a water flea. The drop of water on the flea or minnow contains 1,670,000,000,000,000,000,000 water molecules. Put another way, a whale may be many thousands of times as big as bass. Yet when compared to the whole solar system, the difference is small indeed.
1) There is a point where water no longer acts like water. Now this is super tiny 100-1000 molecules. Now this is much larger than a water a few 1000 molecules. If you put a spec of dust in water it appears to move around. This actually stems from the water molecules bouncing off of it. I am not sure about how water changes from a fish scale to a microscopic scale but I am sure there is a measurable difference. 2) He starts the fish analogy saying "Think about the way a fish moves, very crudely..." right there he admits its over simplified so what is the point of your number 2?
The entire video was pretty awful. He spent half the video (5 minutes) describing how heat speeds up reactions and size to density calculations and never getting to the point the title specified other than "can someone provide me proof". Downvoted for it too.
Great video, thank you. My opinion of the ethical aspect you bring up is I believe or assume they have no concept of should. So if they survive their trip to your apparatus unharmed physically all is well. Its not that the experience "should" not have happened. From their perpective their senses showed some strange things for a while and then didnt. Seems like dehydration, pressure and potential overheating from the slide light would be concerns. I appreciate and agree with your outlook on this. Why destroy beautiful things if you can avoid it?
I agree with everything except the notion that whether they can conceptualize what 'should' happen is relevant to the ethics. All that is relevant is their capacity to experience life; to have wellbeing and/or to suffer. They have some form of a nervous system so therefore we should err on the side of caution and assume they are sentient. And if they are sentient then we shouldn't exploit them or harm them when it is unnecessary. Observation is fine as long as it doesn't interfere with their wellbeing negatively. As you pointed out, the heat from the light source could likely be uncomfortable. As interesting as the topic is, I don't think this video should have been made. At least not in this way.
@@ReasonMakes Well said. I dont mean that "should" effects ethics here, I meant to point out there is a capacity for suffering in being able to imagine things being different than they actually are, and comparing that conception to reality.
LOL. I honestly think there's zero ethical concerns with these. The video itself was great, though. The part about biological organism being consequence of the chemistry is quite deep and is in inline with my view that we are also just slightly more complex automatons, just a step above trees.
I know this is an old comment, but I find humour in the idea of terrifying others when they see you taking samples from a pond, and especially when they see you pouring an unknown substance from a beaker into the water
MisterPotatoHands plants can recognize that something is happening to or around them. Neurons are overrated. Wait, plants don't have any neurons, right?
Do they experience? Do they have pain receptors? These questions help answer whether they suffer. They might experience hunger and then starvation, they might experience oxygen concentration/suffocation. You might not label it fear but maybe its a type of or degree of anxiety. With any plants inability to move, its ability to sense and react is the baseline for stimulus response. The ability to suffer would lack benefits beyond that life process of stimulus response.
gocrazy432 a plant has been demonstrated to react when someone is going to cut their leaf (anticipate it) and has a greater reaction when the harm is completed. It's pretty incredible.
I have done this experiment multiple times with my daughter at the Denver Museum of Nature and science and we have always seen the result. They provide caffeine, sleeping drugs, and other substances to test out. Using a high speed camera that records for a fixed amount of time each run the effect is small but measurable and repeatable.
It's fascinating that you showed the asymmetric motion in the daphnia legs moving the water around! Tbf, some organisms smaller than daphnia can also move around in (different types of) symmetric motion despite their body size and the water viscosity. Like E. coli bacterium swims with its rotating flagella, following the radial-symmetric motion, which could look the same when time is reversed.
As long as you gradually climatise the Daphnea to new temperature water, use the water from its habitat, and make sure you don't heat it up too much (which can even be done with the light) then it's completely ethical.
My chemistry Prof. Said it well, Chemistry is the interaction of electrons between atoms and molecules. The effect of temp changes makes more sense if you take into account that the more energy you give an atom the easier it is to remove an electron.
I really respect you, for respecting life, no matter the difference in scale. We should follow your example when conducting research on living organisms. Well done ❤
2 things i believe are wrong: 1>time reversibility is more possible in viscous liquid as reynolds number is lower. look up G. I. Taylor experiment it will blow your mind. 2>how fast a reaction happens chemists use Gibs equation so $G=H-\Delta S\cdot T$ so in reaction where the entropy decreases at a cost of enthalpy then the reaction will be faster at low temperatures. These reactions are endothermic and will cool down the enviroment aswell. You were talking about exothermic reactions.
I absolutely love that you brought up ethical concerns. Science is cringe worthy to me because the subject is almost never brought up. It's just "we gave some rats a horrible disease and X happened" as if it's no big deal. Sure the daphnia probably can't process pain nor stress, but a cat can, so where is that line? Can a mosquito? Can a halibut? Can sea horse? It's a really important debate that never seems to happen, and when you bring it up so many people get triggered for some strange reason. Just look at how people will send death threats if you kick a dog...while eating a factory farmed KFC breast. Other than that, the concept of the differences in fluid dynamics with respect to scale is fascinating. Subscribed.
You returned them?! You sir, are a good man. I believe it is obvious that almost all life feels pain, hence how it reacts to pain which increases chances of survival. Even single cell life.
I feel our human ethic is not about the projection of emotional sympathies for subjective states in others, and corresponding fear of doing harms or evils, but in our extension of recognition of life to life as a shared quality of existence, in which do as we would be done by, is guided by acceptance of a living context of which all parts play a part. This is because in psychic-emotional terms - or perhaps in spiritual terms - we set the measure of our receipt by the nature of what we give out. Torture is recognised as a dehumanising influence - and is of course an extreme dissociation from consequence that is not necessarily recognised in the playing out of power over the bodies of others. Loveless sex can also hollow out to mere mechanical attempts to re-enact a sense of life lost. So in our relationship with all living things - and the living world of which they are one with - we can become harmless in intent - within practicalities for simply living the life we are uniquely being. The psyche of Man is currently split upon a predicate of guilt and fear that is then compartmentalised and rationalised under social mores of definition and belief. The guilt for despoiling nature being a current source of political manipulation - on top of an systemically dissociated 'nature'. I call for the nature of a true resonance to align our thought word and deed, rather than systems of repackaging toxic debts into complex instruments of any kind of 'clever thinking'. Remorse is natural to acts of self-betrayal, and calls on immediate re-alignment. But guilt of an irrevocable or uncorrectable act (or negligence) usurps the mind and dissociates its perceptions in the attempt to escape, mitigate, or divert and displace the self-dissonance away from 'self' - while of course projecting this separateness onto Nature or our World - and so for example perceiving the world through fearful associations that then effectively 'program' or condition our thought, attention and response. Humans have developed a 'virtual modelling' of an interpretive 'world' that operates both personal and collective 'subjections'. The mind that sets out with the idea of subjection - ie dominance - is 'alive and well' in the stream of science that seeks to define, predict and control, and so is funded and utilised by that 'drive'. I eat prawns, but I don't subject them to random mutilations or degradations while alive. Is food murder? Or the Gift of the Whole to all its parts (that are never truly apart). The intent to kill has a quality of hatred in it. Acting without love, makes us loveless, and thus disposed to see and expect in like kind.
Even though the temperature effect on reaction rates is very common, it is not the full picture. There are reactions that can be slowed down by higher temperature. We call this behaviour anti-Arrhenius.
In my crude preliminary search I found that most fish move their body in a wave. So there's a directionality of the motion from head to tail. So I'm just wondering if there are better examples to highlight the difference between the reversible and nonreversible motions. Any ideas?
he talked about the motion for example if a fish was to do that motion reversed it would still be able to swim.(ignoring the other body parts so technically not a fish.. )
Yeah, I was looking for this comment. Fish swim in a wave, so if you reverse the motion, they should swim backwards. There are some fish that actually do swim in reverse. And they have scales that favor a forward direction.
David Virgilio "fish move their body in a wave" Yes, but that's not the comparison Steve was making. He confined his observation to the tail because he was analyzing symmetrical movement in a viscous liquid.
I love the "how do i do that" while making the point that its the same exact motion. His brain broke for a minute before it realized "oh, just wiggle your hand".
In relation to the viscosity of water, I found an interesting way of experiencing surface tension in water (and to a lesser extent the viscosity) I noticed this in the bath and it's probably nothing new but if you gently place your hand on the water so as not to submerge it and slowly lift it so the water kind of sticks to you (don't know the scientific term) it feels weird but if you keep repeating that process, slowly lowering and raising your hand slightly from the surface of the water for like a minute and then start gently pushing down on the water, keeping your hand flat you'll notice you actually feel the weight of the water resisting which you don't normally.
Increasing temperature only increases the number of collisions very slightly, the rate of reaction increases mainly because of the increased number of successful collisions.
6:40 But the fish fin movement isn't really reversable: the fin bends in the opposite direction to flapping, so the water is always pushed backwards If you really reversed the motion, a fish would start "digging" / "grabbing" the water with its fin, just as a daphnia does, and would move backwards all the time
Hi, Steve! I'm puzzled for a while with a question of miscibility of liquids. Why do some liquids mix and some do not? Answer: "Cuz of density" is not sufficient. What happens on the molecular level? Which forces make two seas or oceans of different saltiness form a wall? I guess, an answer to this question could make a pretty decent video.
I never tried caffeine on Daphnia, but I did turn them pink with increased dissolved carbon dioxide in their water, for a school project. It involved releasing carbon dioxide from an acid/carbonate reaction and bubbling it through the water in gradually increasing levels to see at what point the Daphnia would become pink.
I think it's funny how people get so tied up in that one microscopic organism they displaced when they don't think about all the bugs they kill when they move ANYTHING... lol it's futile.
I like the fact that the way you've framed this shot, the shadow of the beam on the wall behind you frequently lines up with your beard/mustache. Just a fun composition thing I noticed. Blame art school, lol.
Your description of the rate of chemical processes & how they're affected by higher temperatures, gave me an intriguing thought: What about those reactions uniquely occurring at only the higher range of temperatures? Like in explosions for example. Note that I'm referring to chemistry that isn't a part of the actual explosive reaction itself, but could only be done under the unique conditions that exist at the extraordinary heat & pressure caused by an explosion. (I know that explosions have been used to fuse together different metals, but am uncertain whether this is really a chemical effect). Or those seriously extreme temperatures *just before* electrons become stripped away from their atoms & the substance becomes a plasma? What kind of interesting chemistry could *only* be done under these conditions? ~~~ Thankyou for specifically mentioning the *Ethical Responsibilities* that come with biological research. Ethics are an important part of science that are - unfortunately - all too often overlooked in documentary work, especially when the focus is to both inform & entertain. With the amazing potentials coming from many modern technologies (Like CRSPR-Cas9 for example), maybe we should be asking less *how* we can do some things, but more *if* we should do them at all?
I work with plant pests and the first time I put a leaf under a microscope and tried to view the aphids or mites or whatever it was, and watched them run away from the light of the microscope, I was really taken aback. That these tiny creatures would even have a sense of self-preservation shocked me. I had never even considered before that a microscopic organism would display fear. Do they also feel hunger, pain, cold? Lust? Does all life suffer?
There's a spectacularly approachable book on fluid dynamics called Life in Moving Fluids by Steven Vogel. It's an introductory textbook to fluid dynamics for practicing biologists (which I am not). I read it on Bill Mollison's recommendation and it was one of the most insightful books I've ever read.
I liked this video, and the main things you had to say were correct, but fish swimming isn't time reversible. Fish swim like snakes slither, a wave traveling front to back.
Wonderful video! Great information. But (a qualified but) at 9:08 where you ask whether it is stressful for a daphnia to be put under the microscope - great question for macroscopic creatures such as ourselves, but not only does water change its character with scale, but SO DOES ETHICS which becomes completely different at that scale. Do we consider the bazillions of Daphnia that get cruelly crushed by the sand or sediment in which they are encased? There are SO MANY , SO MUCH MORE HORRIBLE deaths of Daphneas happening ALL THE TIME, EVERYHERE, that it makes no difference whatsoever in the grand scheme of things what happens to them under your microscope slide. That said, I applaud and share your sense of fellowship with the tiniest creatures of the earth, and I would have done the same, let them back into the wild - not for them, but for my own sense of fellowship with those tiny creatures!
I think the connection between temperature and chemical reactions you presented is a bit off. Temperature as a factor is usually used when it comes to chemical equilibrium which is basically two counter acting chemical reactions. If the "forward" reaction is exothermic and you increase the temperature, the "forward" reaction will slow down and the "reverse" reaction will speed up in order to counteract the increase of temperature. That's described by the van 't Hof equation.
Extremely cool video. That’s nice that you care about the ethics. I wouldn’t have thought about it actually but then I’m one of those people who kill bugs without caring. Absolutely love that you made this video to share how cool that microscope phone add-on is. If I didn’t see how great it works I would have been to skeptical to actually buy one. And I am definitely going to buy one. The product is great, looks fun and interesting. One last thing, can you get Daphnia out of pretty much any pond? And are they simply there ready for the taking? Or do you have to search for them? Meaning are they rare or will every cupful have Daphnia? You do such a job making interesting videos and you explain things so well without it being confusing or boring. Thank you for sharing. So glad you make videos.
Does that kind of "time reversible" flapping even work in less viscous fluids? I figured the flapping of a fish was more like a sinusoidal wave propagating from their heads towards their tail fins, like the way snakes do it...
That is true for most fish, although plenty only use their fins. And I think tuna swim by actually flapping their tail back and forth very rapidly. At least, that's what it looks like...
Increase temperature = increased kinetic energy. More kinetic energy = more enzyme activity (as more collisions between enzyme and substrate). This means more metabolic reactions can occur. This means that at higher temperatures there will be more airobic respiration, therefore more O2 needed. That is a slight more in depth explanation of what he is saying at the beginning, (although still glossing over some details).
Dunno about daphnia, but from personal experience, cyclopes don't like being under microscope very much, as the lamp warms the water causing them to constantly flee away from your aperture. Makes them kinda hard to observe because of that
it's interesting that about a minute before you mention ethics, I was thinking that he has probably "disposed" them after experiment and it means that microscopic creature is out of gene pool, and then it came to my mind that what is the probability that this daphnia had a mutation that in the long run could have affected their evolution ... and that was when you mentioned you have released them. Thanks for starting the chain of thought, this matters for scientifically looking at things.
No, but sometimes when I do an experiment in lab this comes to my mind. I think the main plus side of this channel is to make people think and then rethink.
Pollack's 'Cells, Gels and the engines of life' is a bit complex to follow - but worth it. His follow up - 'the fourth phase of water' - might be one of the best science books to have been published in a long while. Big claim. But I feel at rest in saying so as a prompt to your interest and ongoing discovery.
No daphnia was harmed during this footage ;-) Nice video, as usual !! Ooops @5:19 you should not say that "viscosity changes with scale", but "effects due to viscosity change with scale"...
i think it would be better to try and correlate the expected chemical reaction rate increase with temperature to the rate increase of the heart rate. The reason i would like to see this is because when humans body temperature increase so does our heart rate, but this is not because of an increased chemical reaction rate. its the body trying to cool itself down. I would not expect the Daphnia to need to manage their body temperature, also im not sure if this would even work to help cool them down, but id like to see nonetheless.
Funny thing, if you swim, you consider water as a viscous liquid like in the video, most of swimming styles avoid the coming back. We might not consider it viscous or not like a tiny animal, but the liquid doesn't change, just our size and strengths
I remember reading a long time ago about the best way you should try to "swim" through quicksand and reach firm ground without sinking. I now realize that the thing is to swim like a daphnia.
"Viscosity changes with scale." Ah! That explains the behavior of the tiny tube-like creature I saw burrowing through some pond water like a worm burrows through soil. No clue what it was. It was smaller than the daphnia in the same pond water, and those were already way smaller than other daphnia I've seen.
@Steve Mould putting it underneath a microscope onto lab slides changes its environment and may change it's swimming motion. I mean you are flattening it, and if you dropped a big 2000 pound glass plate on me my arms are start twitching like that too 😁
Ethical concerns? If we are concerned at that level, we can practically do nothing without causing "suffering". Not even kill ourselves without destroying home of millions of microscopic animals.
Speaking of biology and chemistry. I was looking up why some animals have hemocyanin blood (copper based instead of iron) and one reason given is that hemocyanin preforms better in colder, low oxygen environments like the bottoms of oceans. This is mostly true. Exceptions include land based mollusks that still use hemocyanin, despite being in a warm, oxygen rich environment. Or the icefish that has clear blood because it has neither hemocyanin or hemoglobin, due to cold (read low metabolism), oxygen rich environment. Obviously there are other factors that affect the blood's oxygen carrying efficacy, which I'm also curious about. But like you said, higher temperatures means a faster reaction rate. So what makes copper, or rather hemocyanin, better at operating in these environments than hemoglobin?
I don't know that stressful would be an appropriate term, since that would unnecessarily invite comparisons between our neural chemistry. I would say that perhaps a more neutral approach would be to ask the question: are daphnia disadvantaged by the process of examination in relation to control daphnia?
I would rather think that the viscosity remains the same. But as the scale is smaller, the force it can produce is way smaller too. So it cannot fight against de dynamic viscosity, thus the inertia of the water to stay still
Always good but I think this one would have helped if you'd taken a moment to explain viscosity in the same easy to understand way you explained heat. Just saying "water is most viscous to things that are smaller" left me wondering why that is.
Before there were interwebs I did a whole doctoral thesis on life at low Reynold's number. If I may offer a pedantic quibble. Water isn't more viscous because you're teeny. The viscosity remains the same (as does the density). Teeny things tend to have greater surface:volume ratios than less teeny things so the slidey/sticky forces (viscosity) are relatively greater than the hitty/pushy forces (inertia). A narcolepsy-inducing plethora of detail can be found at Crenshaw, D. G.: How interstitial animals deal with viscous flows. Ph.D. dissertation, Duke University 1980
I love how you describe this
haha
I came to say the same thing. Viscosity is an intensive property; it does not depend on system size or scale.
I think "here is the dissertation I defended on the subject" is quite possibly the best internet credential I have ever encountered :) also good job on your hilariously pedantic but self aware quibble.
Crenshaw, bad news.Some of us at the faculty were reviewing various papers including yours and I happen to spill my 'grande' all over the desk. Story short, there wasn't any paper towels available and my daughters kindergarten drawings were in peril. Soo well I think you get the picture. Sorry old chap. DU.
I've worked in a Aquatic Ecotoxicology Laboratory a few years back. One of my jobs there was to take care of the Daphnia. I had to cultivate the algae we used to feed them, feed them, prepare their culture medium (water), change it, separate them, and try and multiply them.
We used them as biological indicators to test the toxicity of effluent water from industry. Basically, we would make several dilutions of the effluent water, deposit a number of young Daphnia (1-2 days old) and incubate for 48h. After that we would count the number os surviving Daphnia for each dilution to see if the effluent is safe to dump into rivers or not.
They are extremely sensitive to toxins and stress. Every glassware used with them had to be washed with neutral soap, and be rinsed 50-100 times. One time one of the cleaning ladies thought it was unnecessary that much rinsing, and it killed 90% of our Daphnia. (Figuring out what was happening as day after day they were dying was "fun").
Do you think the ones that survived are less sensitive?
Maybe... Or maybe they were just lucky. No way to know without investigating further, thing we didn't do. But we needed to "borrow" some from another lab to be able to regrow our population to have enough to continue to run the tests. So even if only the more resistant survived... it didn't affect the results down the line.
How many did you have before the apocalypse began?
Cleaning "ladies"? Really?
Are you allowed to go the other way and explore vital, rich or health-giving water?
Ie after vortexing the water rather than simple degrees of concentration?
I expect the job-spec dictates finding what can be gotten away with and certified 'safe'
If it turns out that people have been getting false positives because they've been adding hot coffee… o.O
Impossible, everyone doing science knows coffee is a cold liquid
They wouldn't add coffee, they'd use caffeine directly.
Whoosh…
A paper cup offers pretty limited insulation so obviously coffee is a cold, or at best lukewarm, liquid by the time your apprentice gets back from the cafateria with it.
I do hope though that the daphnia involved in this debauchery know only the 1st one's free & they'll have to pay for their next hit!
@@happydays3746 😂😂😂
Since you asked, I can tell you as a biologist that putting a microorganism under a microscope can be stressful for them and can in some cases even kill them.
For example, if you are using a microscope with a light bulb to observe them it can get really hot over time and can literary cook them. This is the reason why most of them will hide or move to the sides of the "object glass".
This is also the reason why I usually used dark-field microscopy when we had to draw microorganisms we saw under the microscope. It made them more "comfortable" and they stopped moving and running all over the place :P
This is a blatantly false statement I'm sorry to tell you. I've been working with microorganisms in this exact same way for 43 years and can say undoubtedly with an accurate amount of uncertainty that the neutrinos will not be affected in solution. Therefore you're wrong and I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement and any further statement you try using to defend your ignorance. Good day.
If something is deadly for microorganisms, it still doesn't make it stressful for them.
@@plint99 Stressed much?
@@plint99 and when the fuck did we start talking about particle physics who said anything about neutrinos
@@benfillman4049 It's a malopropism, a reference to an amusing line from a sci fi movie to explain the end of the world, "The neutrinos have mutated." See comedian Dara O'Briain's take on it.
The real reason the liquid seemed more viscous under the microscope is because inertial forces are hugely dominated by viscous forces at small scales (Reynolds number). In other words, the liquid's momentum cannot overcome friction. In a coffee cup, the liquid's momentum is much higher so it takes a while for friction to slow it down.
thank you! I was really sceptical about water having different physical properties on millimetre scales. It's the effect of small forces not small distances.
Also surface tension becomes a much bigger deal at those scales
Thanks for the shout out to good old Reynolds. I think it the discussion would be incomplete without a reference to R.
"The fastest way to learn the right way to do something or how something really works is to post a youtube video about it titled that 'this is the correct ______' showing or telling it wrong, then wait for the comments to roll in. "
I keep Daphnia as pets, watching them have little mini baby daphnia inside their "shell" is so cool! Also those large front "legs" are antenna used for moving about. The jumpy way they move is how they got the common name water flea.
A side note, I don't put them on microscope slides, I keep them in a shallow dish if observing under the microscope. It does make it more difficult to view them, but they get to swim and eat freely.
I want some daphnia as pets! Will Google where to buy them from
They have a really interesting reproductive cycle, swapping between reproducing asexually in the spring and summer to sexually in the autumn to winter when food availability is low. I'd be interested to know if they remain asexual when bred in captivity because resources remain constant
you can buy them from a local pond, just throw two cents in
You need to get out more!
(Don't get upset I'm only joking)
Released them back into their natural habitat: water.
_Flush_
LOL zacktly
My thoughts exactly.
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appreciate you addressing ethical concerns. and also, accepting a sponsorship from something that seems to actually be good and interesting.
I'd like to remind you that this guy wants me to pour coffee onto my daphnia, and he doesn't address any ethical concerns at that part.
It's a daphnia.... its entire body is a couple millimeters wide, its brain consists of AT MOST a few thousand neurons. There is no possibility for consciousness let alone anything like what could be described as suffering in such a simple organism. A honeybee has a million neurons and it's not even clear THEY have conscious experience. There are no real ethical concerns experimenting on daphnea.
Ethical concerns? If we are concerned at that level, we can practically do nothing without causing "suffering". Not even kill ourselves without destroying home of millions of microscopic animals.
Ummm I don't know what you are drinking but I'm pretty sure my chlorinated municipal tap water doesn't have any daphnia in it....
@@Muonium1 He only drinks pond water.
You'll actually find that a fish's swimming motion is also asymmetrical in time. Here's a great video I found showing that it moves in a more wave-like pattern: ruclips.net/video/JIgihsSyeR0/видео.html
In my experience looking at water critters under a microscope, I have occasionally gotten the sense that they become increasingly stressed after long periods of time. The only reason I say this is because I've seen them become either more sluggish or more active (maybe even frantic), if they're on there for more than 5 minutes, and my guess is that the heat from the microscope light might stress them out. Or possibly the light itself, especially if their natural habitat is murky pond water. I appreciate your addressing ethical concerns, but I also think a few minutes under a scope is probably not any more stressful than, say, evading a predator in its natural environment. As long as you monitor it for signs of stress and don't keep it on there too long, and then return it to its natural environment, I don't have a problem with it.
If viscosity changes with size, does a hunchback whale feel like it moves through air?
That's an interesting thought, but the ratio of the sizes of a human and a hunchback whale is not that significant compared to the ratio of the sizes of a human and daphnia
The viscosity doesn't truly change; it's just that things with more surface area experience greater intermolecular forces with water. Interestingly, hunchbacks do take advantage of water's viscosity to maneuver, which is something humans can't do whilst skydiving. They get a "grip" on water using small tubercles on their flippers, which greatly expand the surface area of each flipper as well as create turbulance (which is useful for the same reasons that professional divers make small splashes and don't get hurt whilst belly floppers make huge splashes and do get hurt).
The hunchback whale of Notre Dame 🐋
Just google hunchback whale see what you get
Air has a much lower density, so water wouldn't feel like air at all. As someone else said, the scale between whale and fish isn't as large of a ratio as the fish to daphnea.
Your videos have always infinitely fascinated me. I love the way you get distracted and run on a tangent, like an excited 5 year old. It's this obvious passion you have that makes your videos so magical. Thank you so much for wanting to teach us about these small details in life, we really dont stop enough to appreciate the little things that have us here in the first place. Again, thank you. you are wonderful
The fact that you actually took the time to be ethical about something as small and seemingly insignificant as a daphnia shows how caring you are about the things you study. Very nice
Not positive, but I think your description of a fish swimming in water may have been a bit off? Or at least not detailed enough. I don't think the motion of a fishes tail is time reversible. I think the point you may have been trying to make was that at the daphnia scale fluid is not behaving in an inertial way, Which I totally agree with and yes it is very cool. I do think that lower apparent viscosity fluid locomotion is not time reversible.
Birds wing flaps are certainly not time reversible, and air is a much less viscous fluid. I don't think thers is much in a bird wing that we could pull out and still have birds fly. Even those dragonfly toys which look very reversible critically have very flexible wing membranes that move in a way that is not time reversible.
Escaping lobsters or shrimp swim/move in a similar way to daphnia arms and are much larger, proving the method still works with a fluid behaving in an inertial way.
It is true that simply flapping a stiff tail works just fine, as proven by simplified fish toys. I still don't think these are time reversible, however, as body movements follow tail movement. I can't picture that working in reverse, the tail would just be moving at the wrong time in relation to the body and the fish would not move. Tuna seem to move in this way, with stiff tails and very stiff motion. I just don't think there are many time reversible solutions to moving through a fluid in nature. Propellers would be an obvious counter example as they are time reversible, but animals were never able to make wheels or rotating parts, and euglena are the only real example of a motor in nature that I can think of.
I could be wrong, I'm not a biologist and have not studied this extensively, but wanted to bring it up anyway as fish and birds are incredibly cool and may be worth speaking about in more detail.
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Phi6er yea a simplified propeller, like two rectangles at a 45 degree angle on a shaft would be time reversible. The vortexes make it not but if you simplify and ignore that it's time reversible. Probably
Birds flying through air isn't an apt comparison, I think, because they also have to rise up. If you're speaking if propulsion in one direction, like placing a flappy fin on the back of a trolley, it'd propel it forwards.
Vampyricon a bird maintaining altitude and flying forward is just a more downward pointing thrust vector. rather than straight back it's a bit of down and a bit of back, i.e. At an angle
BenNBuilds But they're not using the same method of propulsion. A fish has a fin on its tail that propels it forward. A bird has wings on both sides.
Vampyricon the point I was trying to make is bird wings operate in a very inertial and low viscosity fluid and are not time reversible and would not work if they were. Bird wings move and are very successful operating in the same way as daphnia arms, even though the apparent fluid is completely different. Not sure where Steve was going in the video but its not a huge deal
When I did this experiment in highschool, we didn't find any correlation between caffeine and heart rate. We also used alcohol and nicotine, and these produced notable results
How much caffeine
My first video on this channel. Never subbed so fast in my life.
Welcome!
really? and i'm just here expecting your comment under any yt video I watch :D how you do this?
Bart Schellings You will find that these science channels have ~90% the same subscribers. If you watch one, you watch all of them. Commenters are usually the same people too. My comments are just one of many :p
watch his video where he bounces a laser off a mirror that's on a speaker, you won't be disappointed.
Or any, where stuff is poured out of beakers.
We did this experiment in 9th grade biology using things like caffeine and adrenaline I can confirm that the heart rate increased dramatically when exposed to a caffeine solution at room temp, but I can't rule out that other effects like osmotic pressure or simply the Daphnia reacting to caffeine as a toxin and trying to escape caused the increase in heart rate. At the end of the lab I used a little to much caffeine and the water flea's heart stopped, so the ethics maybe a little iffy.
The ethics were out the window in the first 7 words you wrote =P
PETA's gonna be pissed.
Adam Wiess yeah no one believes you cab "confirm" anything you do in 9th GRADE BIOLOGY
Was the coffee heated, or was it room temperature?
Oof
I never do this, but VERY well played sir on the sponsorship!
Fits perfectly with the content, looks interesting, and not over done at all!
Steve, you should try to measure the rate of the daphnia's heartbeat and use it to calculate the temperature--a biological thermometer.
ooh that would be a neat idea
I think it will fluctuate a lot depending on other factors, but it would probably work as an approximate
@@muffininacup4060 age and size come to mind. We may not immediately note a 20% volume difference (only about 7% difference in each length, width and height) in something that small, but the resulting heart rate could easily skew results significantly.
I really appreciate the care and consideration you took to returning the daphnia to their original habitat. Most people wouldn't offer them that level of consideration, because they see the world as something to exploit for their own gain.
I love how you’re talking about the relation between chemistry and biology because I used to always say that life as we know it is just an ongoing chain of chemical reactions.
you certainly weren't the first to say this...
One of my favorite animals, obviously. Well done video. Kudos for not killing them.
Steve you seem like a all around good person with good decency and so on,I'll bet people in your life see you as a good friend
In at least two respects, you got a bit hyperbolic here. 1. The viscosity of the fluid is not changing -- only the organism's ability to move fluid due to its shape, mass, and power v.s. the density and resistance of the fluid. 2) The propulsive movement of a fish's tail was oversimplified.
Tom Eubank the viscosity is the same, but the atoms are bigger for the water flea than for the fish or whale
Pedro Rocha although you are correct in fact. In practice the effect from change in ratio is so small as to be almost immeasurable.
A minnow may be one hundred times as big as a water flea. The drop of water on the flea or minnow contains 1,670,000,000,000,000,000,000 water molecules. Put another way, a whale may be many thousands of times as big as bass. Yet when compared to the whole solar system, the difference is small indeed.
1) There is a point where water no longer acts like water. Now this is super tiny 100-1000 molecules. Now this is much larger than a water a few 1000 molecules. If you put a spec of dust in water it appears to move around. This actually stems from the water molecules bouncing off of it. I am not sure about how water changes from a fish scale to a microscopic scale but I am sure there is a measurable difference. 2) He starts the fish analogy saying "Think about the way a fish moves, very crudely..." right there he admits its over simplified so what is the point of your number 2?
The entire video was pretty awful. He spent half the video (5 minutes) describing how heat speeds up reactions and size to density calculations and never getting to the point the title specified other than "can someone provide me proof". Downvoted for it too.
Finally an explanation for why my fish died when I put it in treacle.
Great video, thank you. My opinion of the ethical aspect you bring up is I believe or assume they have no concept of should. So if they survive their trip to your apparatus unharmed physically all is well. Its not that the experience "should" not have happened. From their perpective their senses showed some strange things for a while and then didnt. Seems like dehydration, pressure and potential overheating from the slide light would be concerns. I appreciate and agree with your outlook on this. Why destroy beautiful things if you can avoid it?
I agree with everything except the notion that whether they can conceptualize what 'should' happen is relevant to the ethics. All that is relevant is their capacity to experience life; to have wellbeing and/or to suffer. They have some form of a nervous system so therefore we should err on the side of caution and assume they are sentient. And if they are sentient then we shouldn't exploit them or harm them when it is unnecessary. Observation is fine as long as it doesn't interfere with their wellbeing negatively. As you pointed out, the heat from the light source could likely be uncomfortable. As interesting as the topic is, I don't think this video should have been made. At least not in this way.
@@ReasonMakes Well said. I dont mean that "should" effects ethics here, I meant to point out there is a capacity for suffering in being able to imagine things being different than they actually are, and comparing that conception to reality.
I wish we had footage of you pouring the daphnia back into the pond from your beaker.
"returned to their natural habitat"
Yeah, the toilet. lmfao
Cause they matter at all?
LOL. I honestly think there's zero ethical concerns with these. The video itself was great, though. The part about biological organism being consequence of the chemistry is quite deep and is in inline with my view that we are also just slightly more complex automatons, just a step above trees.
Scott It doesn't look like the other commentors got your point, but I did. Nice one.
I know this is an old comment, but I find humour in the idea of terrifying others when they see you taking samples from a pond, and especially when they see you pouring an unknown substance from a beaker into the water
My rule of thumb is that if you have
Can I still have your sympathy? I've only got around 7000 atm, but I used to have around 12k.
MisterPotatoHands plants can recognize that something is happening to or around them. Neurons are overrated. Wait, plants don't have any neurons, right?
RDR technically not... Although some species can be considered neurons in their environment
Do they experience? Do they have pain receptors? These questions help answer whether they suffer. They might experience hunger and then starvation, they might experience oxygen concentration/suffocation. You might not label it fear but maybe its a type of or degree of anxiety.
With any plants inability to move, its ability to sense and react is the baseline for stimulus response. The ability to suffer would lack benefits beyond that life process of stimulus response.
gocrazy432 a plant has been demonstrated to react when someone is going to cut their leaf (anticipate it) and has a greater reaction when the harm is completed. It's pretty incredible.
I have done this experiment multiple times with my daughter at the Denver Museum of Nature and science and we have always seen the result. They provide caffeine, sleeping drugs, and other substances to test out. Using a high speed camera that records for a fixed amount of time each run the effect is small but measurable and repeatable.
Considering most people don't care about the welfare of large sentient animals like cows, I don't see why this would bother them.
I would guess Mould isn't adressing those people.
It's fascinating that you showed the asymmetric motion in the daphnia legs moving the water around!
Tbf, some organisms smaller than daphnia can also move around in (different types of) symmetric motion despite their body size and the water viscosity.
Like E. coli bacterium swims with its rotating flagella, following the radial-symmetric motion, which could look the same when time is reversed.
As long as you gradually climatise the Daphnea to new temperature water, use the water from its habitat, and make sure you don't heat it up too much (which can even be done with the light) then it's completely ethical.
My chemistry Prof. Said it well, Chemistry is the interaction of electrons between atoms and molecules. The effect of temp changes makes more sense if you take into account that the more energy you give an atom the easier it is to remove an electron.
I really respect you, for respecting life, no matter the difference in scale. We should follow your example when conducting research on living organisms. Well done ❤
2 things i believe are wrong:
1>time reversibility is more possible in viscous liquid as reynolds number is lower. look up G. I. Taylor experiment it will blow your mind.
2>how fast a reaction happens chemists use Gibs equation so $G=H-\Delta S\cdot T$ so in reaction where the entropy decreases at a cost of enthalpy then the reaction will be faster at low temperatures. These reactions are endothermic and will cool down the enviroment aswell. You were talking about exothermic reactions.
I absolutely love that you brought up ethical concerns. Science is cringe worthy to me because the subject is almost never brought up. It's just "we gave some rats a horrible disease and X happened" as if it's no big deal. Sure the daphnia probably can't process pain nor stress, but a cat can, so where is that line? Can a mosquito? Can a halibut? Can sea horse? It's a really important debate that never seems to happen, and when you bring it up so many people get triggered for some strange reason. Just look at how people will send death threats if you kick a dog...while eating a factory farmed KFC breast.
Other than that, the concept of the differences in fluid dynamics with respect to scale is fascinating. Subscribed.
Really enjoyed this video. The explanation and content held my attention very well.
thanks steve for being the only science youtuber brave enough to tackle fluid dynamics
You returned them?! You sir, are a good man.
I believe it is obvious that almost all life feels pain, hence how it reacts to pain which increases chances of survival. Even single cell life.
You are so goddamn good at what you do. Finest human kind. Congrats.
8:20 Congrats to the expecting mother
I feel our human ethic is not about the projection of emotional sympathies for subjective states in others, and corresponding fear of doing harms or evils, but in our extension of recognition of life to life as a shared quality of existence, in which do as we would be done by, is guided by acceptance of a living context of which all parts play a part. This is because in psychic-emotional terms - or perhaps in spiritual terms - we set the measure of our receipt by the nature of what we give out.
Torture is recognised as a dehumanising influence - and is of course an extreme dissociation from consequence that is not necessarily recognised in the playing out of power over the bodies of others. Loveless sex can also hollow out to mere mechanical attempts to re-enact a sense of life lost.
So in our relationship with all living things - and the living world of which they are one with - we can become harmless in intent - within practicalities for simply living the life we are uniquely being.
The psyche of Man is currently split upon a predicate of guilt and fear that is then compartmentalised and rationalised under social mores of definition and belief.
The guilt for despoiling nature being a current source of political manipulation - on top of an systemically dissociated 'nature'.
I call for the nature of a true resonance to align our thought word and deed, rather than systems of repackaging toxic debts into complex instruments of any kind of 'clever thinking'.
Remorse is natural to acts of self-betrayal, and calls on immediate re-alignment.
But guilt of an irrevocable or uncorrectable act (or negligence) usurps the mind and dissociates its perceptions in the attempt to escape, mitigate, or divert and displace the self-dissonance away from 'self' - while of course projecting this separateness onto Nature or our World - and so for example perceiving the world through fearful associations that then effectively 'program' or condition our thought, attention and response.
Humans have developed a 'virtual modelling' of an interpretive 'world' that operates both personal and collective 'subjections'. The mind that sets out with the idea of subjection - ie dominance - is 'alive and well' in the stream of science that seeks to define, predict and control, and so is funded and utilised by that 'drive'.
I eat prawns, but I don't subject them to random mutilations or degradations while alive.
Is food murder? Or the Gift of the Whole to all its parts (that are never truly apart).
The intent to kill has a quality of hatred in it.
Acting without love, makes us loveless, and thus disposed to see and expect in like kind.
Even though the temperature effect on reaction rates is very common, it is not the full picture. There are reactions that can be slowed down by higher temperature. We call this behaviour anti-Arrhenius.
Does anyone have any footage of a fish flapping in slow motion? I would have assumed it was not time reversible.
In my crude preliminary search I found that most fish move their body in a wave. So there's a directionality of the motion from head to tail. So I'm just wondering if there are better examples to highlight the difference between the reversible and nonreversible motions. Any ideas?
I think so too. It's like how snakes moving, but in faster rate?
he talked about the motion for example if a fish was to do that motion reversed it would still be able to swim.(ignoring the other body parts so technically not a fish.. )
Yeah, I was looking for this comment.
Fish swim in a wave, so if you reverse the motion, they should swim backwards. There are some fish that actually do swim in reverse.
And they have scales that favor a forward direction.
David Virgilio "fish move their body in a wave"
Yes, but that's not the comparison Steve was making. He confined his observation to the tail because he was analyzing symmetrical movement in a viscous liquid.
I love the "how do i do that" while making the point that its the same exact motion. His brain broke for a minute before it realized "oh, just wiggle your hand".
A video about Euglena would be interesting. A organism that is both a plant cell and a animal cell
In relation to the viscosity of water, I found an interesting way of experiencing surface tension in water (and to a lesser extent the viscosity) I noticed this in the bath and it's probably nothing new but if you gently place your hand on the water so as not to submerge it and slowly lift it so the water kind of sticks to you (don't know the scientific term) it feels weird but if you keep repeating that process, slowly lowering and raising your hand slightly from the surface of the water for like a minute and then start gently pushing down on the water, keeping your hand flat you'll notice you actually feel the weight of the water resisting which you don't normally.
Increasing temperature only increases the number of collisions very slightly, the rate of reaction increases mainly because of the increased number of successful collisions.
6:40 But the fish fin movement isn't really reversable: the fin bends in the opposite direction to flapping, so the water is always pushed backwards
If you really reversed the motion, a fish would start "digging" / "grabbing" the water with its fin, just as a daphnia does, and would move backwards all the time
Hi, Steve!
I'm puzzled for a while with a question of miscibility of liquids. Why
do some liquids mix and some do not?
Answer: "Cuz of density" is not sufficient. What happens on the molecular level? Which forces make two seas or oceans of different saltiness form a wall?
I guess, an answer to this question could make a pretty decent video.
I never tried caffeine on Daphnia, but I did turn them pink with increased dissolved carbon dioxide in their water, for a school project. It involved releasing carbon dioxide from an acid/carbonate reaction and bubbling it through the water in gradually increasing levels to see at what point the Daphnia would become pink.
I think it's funny how people get so tied up in that one microscopic organism they displaced when they don't think about all the bugs they kill when they move ANYTHING... lol it's futile.
Marcus_Mravik
Logical, people are not.
"All for one and providence for all said the Elephant as he danced among the chickens".
But that one daphnia benefited from his gentle care. It's a start.
Your videos have helped me with some tests and just good videos over all
This is a great ad for that microscope. Would not have guessed the footage was from a phone attachment, or that one would look that good
"No Daphnias were hurt during the making of this video" 😊
I like the fact that the way you've framed this shot, the shadow of the beam on the wall behind you frequently lines up with your beard/mustache. Just a fun composition thing I noticed. Blame art school, lol.
Your description of the rate of chemical processes & how they're affected by higher temperatures, gave me an intriguing thought: What about those reactions uniquely occurring at only the higher range of temperatures?
Like in explosions for example. Note that I'm referring to chemistry that isn't a part of the actual explosive reaction itself, but could only be done under the unique conditions that exist at the extraordinary heat & pressure caused by an explosion. (I know that explosions have been used to fuse together different metals, but am uncertain whether this is really a chemical effect).
Or those seriously extreme temperatures *just before* electrons become stripped away from their atoms & the substance becomes a plasma?
What kind of interesting chemistry could *only* be done under these conditions?
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Thankyou for specifically mentioning the *Ethical Responsibilities* that come with biological research. Ethics are an important part of science that are - unfortunately - all too often overlooked in documentary work, especially when the focus is to both inform & entertain.
With the amazing potentials coming from many modern technologies (Like CRSPR-Cas9 for example), maybe we should be asking less *how* we can do some things, but more *if* we should do them at all?
It is like fast-forwarding the daphnia's life by increasing the temperature. It goes through its life more quickly.
I work with plant pests and the first time I put a leaf under a microscope and tried to view the aphids or mites or whatever it was, and watched them run away from the light of the microscope, I was really taken aback. That these tiny creatures would even have a sense of self-preservation shocked me. I had never even considered before that a microscopic organism would display fear. Do they also feel hunger, pain, cold? Lust? Does all life suffer?
There's a spectacularly approachable book on fluid dynamics called Life in Moving Fluids by Steven Vogel. It's an introductory textbook to fluid dynamics for practicing biologists (which I am not). I read it on Bill Mollison's recommendation and it was one of the most insightful books I've ever read.
I liked this video, and the main things you had to say were correct, but fish swimming isn't time reversible. Fish swim like snakes slither, a wave traveling front to back.
Wonderful video! Great information. But (a qualified but) at 9:08 where you ask whether it is stressful for a daphnia to be put under the microscope - great question for macroscopic creatures such as ourselves, but not only does water change its character with scale, but SO DOES ETHICS which becomes completely different at that scale. Do we consider the bazillions of Daphnia that get cruelly crushed by the sand or sediment in which they are encased? There are SO MANY , SO MUCH MORE HORRIBLE deaths of Daphneas happening ALL THE TIME, EVERYHERE, that it makes no difference whatsoever in the grand scheme of things what happens to them under your microscope slide. That said, I applaud and share your sense of fellowship with the tiniest creatures of the earth, and I would have done the same, let them back into the wild - not for them, but for my own sense of fellowship with those tiny creatures!
How did you get them to stay in the same location so well
Truly underrated channel 🤘🏼
I think the connection between temperature and chemical reactions you presented is a bit off. Temperature as a factor is usually used when it comes to chemical equilibrium which is basically two counter acting chemical reactions. If the "forward" reaction is exothermic and you increase the temperature, the "forward" reaction will slow down and the "reverse" reaction will speed up in order to counteract the increase of temperature. That's described by the van 't Hof equation.
Daphnia are definitely the cutest microorganism I've ever seen
Extremely cool video. That’s nice that you care about the ethics. I wouldn’t have thought about it actually but then I’m one of those people who kill bugs without caring. Absolutely love that you made this video to share how cool that microscope phone add-on is. If I didn’t see how great it works I would have been to skeptical to actually buy one. And I am definitely going to buy one. The product is great, looks fun and interesting. One last thing, can you get Daphnia out of pretty much any pond? And are they simply there ready for the taking? Or do you have to search for them? Meaning are they rare or will every cupful have Daphnia? You do such a job making interesting videos and you explain things so well without it being confusing or boring. Thank you for sharing. So glad you make videos.
Does that kind of "time reversible" flapping even work in less viscous fluids? I figured the flapping of a fish was more like a sinusoidal wave propagating from their heads towards their tail fins, like the way snakes do it...
That is true for most fish, although plenty only use their fins. And I think tuna swim by actually flapping their tail back and forth very rapidly. At least, that's what it looks like...
Increase temperature = increased kinetic energy.
More kinetic energy = more enzyme activity (as more collisions between enzyme and substrate). This means more metabolic reactions can occur.
This means that at higher temperatures there will be more airobic respiration, therefore more O2 needed.
That is a slight more in depth explanation of what he is saying at the beginning, (although still glossing over some details).
It isn't the viscosity of the liquid that changes, it's the surface tension
Dunno about daphnia, but from personal experience, cyclopes don't like being under microscope very much, as the lamp warms the water causing them to constantly flee away from your aperture. Makes them kinda hard to observe because of that
it's interesting that about a minute before you mention ethics, I was thinking that he has probably "disposed" them after experiment and it means that microscopic creature is out of gene pool, and then it came to my mind that what is the probability that this daphnia had a mutation that in the long run could have affected their evolution ... and that was when you mentioned you have released them. Thanks for starting the chain of thought, this matters for scientifically looking at things.
Mehrad Mahmoudian do you do that Everytime you take a step outside?
No, but sometimes when I do an experiment in lab this comes to my mind. I think the main plus side of this channel is to make people think and then rethink.
You reminded my college days , and nice explanation, thank YOU
Pollack's 'Cells, Gels and the engines of life' is a bit complex to follow - but worth it. His follow up - 'the fourth phase of water' - might be one of the best science books to have been published in a long while. Big claim. But I feel at rest in saying so as a prompt to your interest and ongoing discovery.
No daphnia was harmed during this footage ;-) Nice video, as usual !!
Ooops @5:19 you should not say that "viscosity changes with scale", but "effects due to viscosity change with scale"...
Steve Mould... what a great name for a microscopist.
Thanks for returning the daphnea to the pond.
i think it would be better to try and correlate the expected chemical reaction rate increase with temperature to the rate increase of the heart rate. The reason i would like to see this is because when humans body temperature increase so does our heart rate, but this is not because of an increased chemical reaction rate. its the body trying to cool itself down. I would not expect the Daphnia to need to manage their body temperature, also im not sure if this would even work to help cool them down, but id like to see nonetheless.
Funny thing, if you swim, you consider water as a viscous liquid like in the video, most of swimming styles avoid the coming back. We might not consider it viscous or not like a tiny animal, but the liquid doesn't change, just our size and strengths
I remember reading a long time ago about the best way you should try to "swim" through quicksand and reach firm ground without sinking. I now realize that the thing is to swim like a daphnia.
Works with any viscous fluid, theoretically? I guess I know what to do next time I'm caught in a molasses/treacle spill.
At 7:01, the Daphnia stops moving water, looks up at the large particle then restarts the flow.... I find that action very interresting .
How did you print tiny consent forms for the daphnia?
XUV lithography.
"Viscosity changes with scale."
Ah! That explains the behavior of the tiny tube-like creature I saw burrowing through some pond water like a worm burrows through soil. No clue what it was. It was smaller than the daphnia in the same pond water, and those were already way smaller than other daphnia I've seen.
Fascinating... really! Thanks for the explanation.
Viscosity does not change with size, surface contact makes it seem it does, and a few other factors.
Steve you are so smart man seriously
@Steve Mould putting it underneath a microscope onto lab slides changes its environment and may change it's swimming motion. I mean you are flattening it, and if you dropped a big 2000 pound glass plate on me my arms are start twitching like that too 😁
Ethical concerns? If we are concerned at that level, we can practically do nothing without causing "suffering". Not even kill ourselves without destroying home of millions of microscopic animals.
user255 ik these people are delusional caring about an organism that can biologically not feel pain or even understands what death is.
Tm m except these organisms are not capable of thought.
+Tm m
If they could, they probably would. So what? It's not like microbes aren't trying to eat us alive already...
It's a philosophical thing, feel with your heart, not your head
+Pedro Rocha
Sure and that's fine, but don't say it's ethical problem.
i feel too emotionally connected to this daphnia now :s
Great vid, really fascinating and reminded me of a few things I learnt at uni!
omg i love your channel
Fish fin movement is not time reversible. Quick analogy would be paint brush strokes.
Speaking of biology and chemistry. I was looking up why some animals have hemocyanin blood (copper based instead of iron) and one reason given is that hemocyanin preforms better in colder, low oxygen environments like the bottoms of oceans. This is mostly true. Exceptions include land based mollusks that still use hemocyanin, despite being in a warm, oxygen rich environment. Or the icefish that has clear blood because it has neither hemocyanin or hemoglobin, due to cold (read low metabolism), oxygen rich environment. Obviously there are other factors that affect the blood's oxygen carrying efficacy, which I'm also curious about. But like you said, higher temperatures means a faster reaction rate. So what makes copper, or rather hemocyanin, better at operating in these environments than hemoglobin?
2:05 Is that why it’s easier and faster to mix sugar in hot coffee rather than iced?
Great informative video as usual, thanks Steve!
Fantastic video as always! thanks!
I don't know that stressful would be an appropriate term, since that would unnecessarily invite comparisons between our neural chemistry. I would say that perhaps a more neutral approach would be to ask the question: are daphnia disadvantaged by the process of examination in relation to control daphnia?
I would rather think that the viscosity remains the same. But as the scale is smaller, the force it can produce is way smaller too. So it cannot fight against de dynamic viscosity, thus the inertia of the water to stay still
05:12 viscosity doesn't change with scale. What changes is the Reynolds number.
Always good but I think this one would have helped if you'd taken a moment to explain viscosity in the same easy to understand way you explained heat. Just saying "water is most viscous to things that are smaller" left me wondering why that is.